Ipsum Lorem?
Framers, I need greek text to flesh out a design with sample content that won't distract the client by letting her read it. I know that this ships with Frame but can't find it. Anybody tell me where its hidden? Its frequently referred to as Ipsum Lorem (pardon spelling). Thanks. -bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Ipsum Lorem? Thanks!
OK, more useful suggestions than I can thank individually :) Two most sited and easy to use were: www.lipsum.com (allows you to generate any given quantity of text you need) File New Document Explore Standard Templates, select Report and click Show Sample. Thanks for the quick and thorough response! -bob __ Robert Kern TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Ipsum Lorem?
Framers, I need greek text to flesh out a design with sample content that won't distract the client by letting her read it. I know that this ships with Frame but can't find it. Anybody tell me where its hidden? Its frequently referred to as "Ipsum Lorem" (pardon spelling). Thanks. -bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Ipsum Lorem? Thanks!
OK, more useful suggestions than I can thank individually :) Two most sited and easy to use were: www.lipsum.com (allows you to generate any given quantity of text you need) File > New > Document > Explore Standard Templates, select "Report" and click Show Sample. Thanks for the quick and thorough response! -bob ______ Robert Kern TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
footnotes converted to endnotes
Anyone know a tool/plugin for converting footnotes to endnotes? -bob __ TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
footnotes converted to endnotes
Anyone know a tool/plugin for converting footnotes to endnotes? -bob __ TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Character tagging in Running auto generated header?
Framers, I'm obviously missing something simple, but... In book with running recto header that pulls the level 1 heading on that page, there are a handful of scientific names that are character tagged Italics but the running header (using a running header paragraph tag) does NOT preserve the character tag in the running header. How do I get the italics, I figured I can do a dirty hack -- generating a custom master page for each exception that types in the proper header instead of pulling it using the variable, but would like a more elegant solution and one that won't hurt me when pages reflow. -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Arabic Framemaker resource needed
Framers, I have a book project that will be 1/2 in English and 1/2 in Arabic. Any thoughts on how to set up a FrameMaker flow to accommodate this structure and what I'd need to do to Frame to compose pages in Arabic??? -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Arabic Framemaker resource needed
Framers, I have a book project that will be 1/2 in English and 1/2 in Arabic. Any thoughts on how to set up a FrameMaker flow to accommodate this structure and what I'd need to do to Frame to compose pages in Arabic??? -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: Hebrew language documents in Frame
Will, We have some some work in Hebrew. We picked up a Hebrew font set for a job we did back in the days of Frame 5. My project notes record the following: 800-621-8227 Davka, Hebrew font set (type it in English, but backwards) $49.95 +6 shipping -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone successfully created a Hebrew language document using Frame (in Windows)? The only way I have been able to introduce Hebrew characters into a Frame document has been to use a cumbersome process involving the Windows® Charmap® application, cutting from source and pasting to the Frame document. What typefaces have you found the most effective (and was it .ps, .pfm, .ttf or something else)? Will Weiss Technical Writer Hand Held Products +1 202 521 9350 Tel +1 202 517 9199 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hebrew language documents in Frame
Will, We have some some work in Hebrew. We picked up a Hebrew font set for a job we did back in the days of Frame 5. My project notes record the following: 800-621-8227 Davka, Hebrew font set (type it in English, but backwards) $49.95 +6 shipping -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax will.weiss at handheld.com wrote: >Has anyone successfully created a Hebrew language document using Frame (in >Windows)? The only way I have been able to introduce Hebrew characters >into a Frame document has been to use a cumbersome process involving the >Windows? Charmap? application, cutting from source and pasting to the >Frame document. What typefaces have you found the most effective (and was >it .ps, .pfm, .ttf or something else)? >Will Weiss >Technical Writer >Hand Held Products >+1 202 521 9350 Tel >+1 202 517 9199 Fax >williamweiss at hotmail.com >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as bob at technicalpublishing.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Things dropping out when printed
I am running Frame 7.2 on XP. After installing 3 FramePlugins from Silicon Graphics (two of which I've used for years), when I go to print to either my PS laser printer or to PDF, massive amounts of content drop out of the output. I rebooted to clear any memory leaks, but it didn't fix the problem. Uninstalling the plugins also didn't help, nor did reinstalling Frame 7.2. I tried with an older version of Frame 7.1 that I still have installed and got the same problem. So, I'm guessing that this is a PS driver issue and am presently downloading PS 3 winsteng 1.0.6 to reinstall it. Has anybody had this happen to them? If so, was reinstalling PS printer driver the solution? What might I have done to corrupt things? -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Things dropping out when printed
I am running Frame 7.2 on XP. After installing 3 FramePlugins from Silicon Graphics (two of which I've used for years), when I go to print to either my PS laser printer or to PDF, massive amounts of content drop out of the output. I rebooted to clear any memory leaks, but it didn't fix the problem. Uninstalling the plugins also didn't help, nor did reinstalling Frame 7.2. I tried with an older version of Frame 7.1 that I still have installed and got the same problem. So, I'm guessing that this is a PS driver issue and am presently downloading PS 3 winsteng 1.0.6 to reinstall it. Has anybody had this happen to them? If so, was reinstalling PS printer driver the solution? What might I have done to corrupt things? -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Off topic: 4-color Quark book on PC vs. Mac?
Framers, We do most of our books in 1-color using Frame on the PC, but are now doing a cool trade book that has a 4-color signature tucked in the middle. The client requires that we use Quark, but we can use PC or Mac. Any CMYK separation issues I should watch out for if we do this on the PC instead of the Mac??? -bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
We also use a lot of Visio drawings, but do not yet have Visio 2003 so can not comment on any improvement (or lack thereof) for exporting to other file types. Our highest quality comes when we print Visio to press-ready PDFs, then open in Acrobat, crop as needed, and save as EPS. The only downside of this is that PDF converts the font names so that you can run into font trouble if you open the EPS in Illustrator to try to clean anything up. -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax Steve Rickaby wrote: At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote: But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. Hi Guy I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From memory, what we found was that: . My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds . Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely call 'visual artifacts' . The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with the revision of Visio in use . The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from Visio as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as .eps from Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker. Two caveats: . This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be different. . Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
Neil, Frame turns all images into EPS (even PDF) when it rips them. Therefore, if you have many images, you might run into performance issues if using formats other than EPS. -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax Neil Tubb wrote: I find it interesting that a few of you are saving your illustrations as EPS instead of leaving them as PDF and importing that into Frame. Is there an advantage to using EPS? I didn't even know you could save as EPS in Acrobat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? Guy, I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended way, but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books successfully. I learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?), and it has been fine. Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a PDF from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guy K. Haas Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio objects to show UML and the like. While there are not very many, I WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs. I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker document. I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger). But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. --TIA, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neil.tubb%40solacesy stems.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
We also use a lot of Visio drawings, but do not yet have Visio 2003 so can not comment on any improvement (or lack thereof) for exporting to other file types. Our highest quality comes when we print Visio to press-ready PDFs, then open in Acrobat, crop as needed, and save as EPS. The only downside of this is that PDF "converts" the font names so that you can run into font trouble if you open the EPS in Illustrator to try to clean anything up. -bob ______ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax Steve Rickaby wrote: >At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote: > > > >>But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most >>desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and >>.svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. >> >>Any guidance on >>1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects >>2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. >> >> > >Hi Guy > >I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From memory, what >we found was that: > >. My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds > >. Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely call >'visual artifacts' > >. The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with the >revision of Visio in use > >. The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from Visio >as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as .eps from >Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker. > >Two caveats: > >. This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be different. > >. Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful) > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Alignment of list numbers
Steve, Simple solution. In Autonumbering add a tab before and after the entry. In the tab settings make the first tab a right aligned tab and the second tab a left aligned tab. We usually put .15" in between the tabs and have the whole list indented .25". Adjust tab spacing as needed if you run into lists with three digits. -bob ______ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax Steve Rickaby wrote: >On seeing some FrameMaker output, an experienced proofreader has commented on >the fact that for numbered lists that run into two digits, the numbers are >left-aligned, rather than right-aligned - the implication is that, for >example, '9' should be aligned above the '0' of '10'. > >I must admit that this thought had not crossed my mind before, but of course >it's true. I've just checked a book set in Quark, and list numbers do indeed >right-align. As FrameMaker can only apply justification at the paragraph tag >level, and not at the character tag level, I cannot see a simple method of >achieving the desired alignment. > >Does anyone have any ideas? > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
printing framemaker documents
Its a very simple matter if you can make a book file -- print book and select "individual files" option instead of "single file" option. You could even automate this with QuickKeys so that with a single function key you could create and print a book. -bob ______ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax frame user wrote: >Hi all, > >Is there a way to print a whole batch of framemaker files at once to pdf? > >So I want to automate what is usually done manually: >1) open the framemaker document >2) choose print >3) specify the pdf settings to print and then make the print >4) close the file and open the next one > >So all framemaker files are separate files with the pdf filename >corresponding to the the framemaker filename. > > >Is there any way to do this? > >Thanks! >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as bob at technicalpublishing.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
2-color seperations in Frame
Framers, I have a 2-color book (black and Pantone 144CVU). The cover was created in Illustrator, using black and Pantone 144 CVU spot color swatch. Unfortunately, when I place the EPS and rip separations, the EPS won't separate to anything but CMYK. The printer is pitching a fit and wants it as 2-color separation, not as 4-color CMYK. Any fix for this (other than working on an old version of Frame on a Mac)??? -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone and fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
2-color seperations in Frame
Framers, I have a 2-color book (black and Pantone 144CVU). The cover was created in Illustrator, using black and Pantone 144 CVU spot color swatch. Unfortunately, when I place the EPS and rip separations, the EPS won't separate to anything but CMYK. The printer is pitching a fit and wants it as 2-color separation, not as 4-color CMYK. Any fix for this (other than working on an old version of Frame on a Mac)??? -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: Save as RTF?
Murray, We have to maintain Word versions of all chapters on a book for individual content owners to work with after each quarterly printing. After we print the book, we impose a plain vanilla Frame template on the files to eliminate all the design and problems that occur with lists and such. We also run the art folder through a photoshop macro to reduce the resolution to 72 dpi (resolves a lot of the size issue) and relink the art to the new folder. We still have to go through each chapter to check on extraneous returns and anomalies, but it seems to be a good way to get 98% of the way to clean RTF using only Frame's built in capabilities. -bob TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murray, I have never gotten save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0 to work. I have gotten save as RTF to work, but the files are HUGE, especially if they have graphics. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services - Original Message - From: Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:19 am Subject: Save as RTF? Version 6.0p405 Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2 I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go. Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever work, under any circumstance? If yes, what is the procedure? If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save options? /\/\ Murray Mississauga ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pearlrosenberg% 40nc.rr.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Save as RTF?
Murray, We have to maintain Word versions of all chapters on a book for individual content owners to work with after each quarterly printing. After we print the book, we impose a plain vanilla Frame template on the files to eliminate all the design and problems that occur with lists and such. We also run the art folder through a photoshop macro to reduce the resolution to 72 dpi (resolves a lot of the size issue) and relink the art to the new folder. We still have to go through each chapter to check on extraneous returns and anomalies, but it seems to be a good way to get 98% of the way to clean RTF using only Frame's built in capabilities. -bob TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com wrote: >Murray, > >I have never gotten save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0 to work. > >I have gotten save as RTF to work, but the files are HUGE, especially >if they have graphics. > >Pearl Rosenberg >TeleHealth Services > > >- Original Message - >From: Murray Moore >Date: Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:19 am >Subject: Save as RTF? > > >>Version 6.0p405 >>Windows XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2 >> >>I am trying to convince my manager to buy mif2go. >> >>Does Save as RTF, and Save as Microsoft Word Win 6.0/7.0, ever >>work, under any circumstance? >> >>If yes, what is the procedure? >> >>If no (rhetorical question), why are they in the list of Save >> >> >options? > > >>/\/\ >>Murray >>Mississauga >> >> >> >> >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com. >> >>Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>or visit >>http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pearlrosenberg% >> >> >40nc.rr.com > > >>Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> >> >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as bob at technicalpublishing.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Setting page size to show bleeds and crops -- when page is reduced
This is an aside, but perhaps will save someone some work (and closely relates to the topic being discussed). I have a client who in final pages ask us to reduce the page size by 10% to increase white space. Easy to scale to 90%, but that also reduces your trim marks. To print at 90% and have trim marks for the full page you need to do the following: (1) print with trim marks off (2) in Acrobat (7) go to tools/print production/crop pages and crop page to final trim size (3) use tools/print production/add printer marks to add printer marks. Click through the warning dialog. You won't be able to see them yet, but they are there. (4) use tools/print production/crop pages to remove the original crop marks and extend the page size. Now the (larger) page size shows the reduced text and the proper trim marks for the trim size at 100%. -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone and fax Ian Hawkins wrote: I think it's a feature, instead of a bug. You need to have the full Acrobat product to make it work properly, though. The full page is being printed, but Acrobat hides the cropped area unless you want it shown. After you distill, open the document in Acrobat. Change the crop settings. In Acrobat 6.0, it's DocumentPagesCrop. I think they've moved it for Acrobat 7, but the option should still be available. HTH, Ian Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: I found this out the other day. I feel it is a Distiller Bug. Maybe Adobe feels it is a feature? ;-) Seriously, why shouldn't we be allowed to distill a document with both crop marks AND bookmarks if we really want to? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Setting page size to show bleeds and crops -- when page is reduced
This is an aside, but perhaps will save someone some work (and closely relates to the topic being discussed). I have a client who in final pages ask us to reduce the page size by 10% to increase white space. Easy to scale to 90%, but that also reduces your trim marks. To print at 90% and have trim marks for the full page you need to do the following: (1) print with trim marks off (2) in Acrobat (7) go to tools/print production/crop pages and crop page to final trim size (3) use tools/print production/add printer marks to add printer marks. Click through the warning dialog. You won't be able to see them yet, but they are there. (4) use tools/print production/crop pages to remove the original crop marks and extend the page size. Now the (larger) page size shows the reduced text and the proper trim marks for the trim size at 100%. -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax Ian Hawkins wrote: > I think it's a feature, instead of a bug. You need to have the full > Acrobat product to make it work properly, though. The full page is > being printed, but Acrobat hides the cropped area unless you want it > shown. > > After you distill, open the document in Acrobat. Change the crop > settings. In Acrobat 6.0, it's Document>Pages>Crop. I think they've > moved it for Acrobat 7, but the option should still be available. > > HTH, > Ian > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > >> I found this out the other day. I feel it is a Distiller Bug. Maybe >> Adobe feels it is a feature? ;-) >> >> Seriously, why shouldn't we be allowed to distill a document with both >> crop marks AND bookmarks if we really want to? >> >> > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bob at technicalpublishing.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com > > > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Converting to Character Formats
Marcus, We get hard coded stuff coming over from Word all the time. The most efficient way we've found to find and tag all of it with the appropriate character tag is to use the file/utilities/create and apply formats. This will create a format for any untagged and hard coded formatting, ie charfmt1, charfmt2, charfmt3, etc... You then just isolate what characteristic each new tag represents, then rename the tag to the appropriate character format in your template, then reimport your template, then delete the charfmt tags from your catalog. This also works well for paragraph formats. If someone has a quicker way to do this, I'd love to learn :) -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax Marcus Carr wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to convert text formatted as bold into text formatted by > a character format. > > I don't think this should be hard, but it seems that there are likely > to be a number of ways of skinning this cat, and I'm interested in the > pros and cons. Any good plug ins or API clients available? Thanks in > advance, > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Docbook and Frame 7.2
I'd buy it! -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax John Sgammato wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a single procedure-oriented book that describes >how to migrate a typical Unstructured FrameMaker manual (book file, chapters, >Toc, etc) to Structured FrameMaker using DocBook and FrameMaker 7.2? >I have a whole slew of assorted docs with a ton of information on background >and why this or that is important, and how to build a DTD and EDD and lots of >other stuff. >Surely someone somewhere has assembled the relevant information into something >more directly usable? >I would love to find some doc that says: "You need these files in this >directory structure, and you will generate this and that, and in the end it >should look like so. Now to customize it to your needs, do this..." > >john > > > >From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com on >behalf of Bernard Aschwanden >Sent: Thu 1/5/2006 9:45 AM >To: 'John Pitt'; framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: RE: Docbook and Frame 7.2 > > > >A quick response is to ask if you have already printed and reviewed the >structure developers guide PDF that ships with FM. It's in the OnlineManuals >folder of the installation directory and is called Structure_Dev_Guide.pdf > >That's a pretty good start. As for some of the others... Depending on the time >you have available I can suggest that you get Kay Ethiers book "XML and >FrameMaker". > >In either case, look up the following: > >cols >widths >colsep >rowsep >frame >tabstyle > >A sample of some of the table rules that you need to consider are in the >Structure_Dev_Guide.pdf file in the CALS table model. The big warning on >working with tables (thanks to Lynne Price for this one when it drove me nuts) >is to ensure that the DTD you are referencing also contains the attributes >required for properties such as the number of columns, their width, span >properties and so on. If not, then you don't get the right output. That drove >me crazy since I thought I had all of FM working right (and I did) but I >failed to get the table coded in the DTD correctly. > >If you are dealing with docbook then I strongly suggest starting with >read/write rules that knock out the 8317 elements you don't need and keeps the >stuff you find useful. I also found a ton of the attributes to be overkill and >dropped them as well. > >Hopefully this gets you started. If it's not enough and you are at the DITA >conference in March in North Carolina, look me up and we can run a test or two >(assuming it's not too late). Finally, there are enough consultants (myself >included) on this list that someone can always be hired to pitch in on the >project. > >All the best, > >Bernard > > > >Bernard Aschwanden >Publishing Technologies Expert >Publishing Smarter > >bernard at publishingsmarter.com > >www.publishingsmarter.com > > > >-Original Message- >From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com] >On Behalf Of John Pitt >Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:34 AM >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Docbook and Frame 7.2 > >After successfully avoiding structured Frame for the last 14 or 15 years, I >now have a client who wants me to get DocBook xml produced from his product's >code into Frame. The end result is to be used for a number of manuals and >pushed through WebWorks ePublisher Pro. > >While my reservations about structured Frame were not *totally* unjustified -- >it is a very steep learning curve -- and many of the elements in my client's >xml are not accepted by Frame, I am making headway. > >But there are still many gaps in my knowledge; the most worrying being tables >that refuse to behave, and whitespace throughout. The latter "should" >(according to the Frame doco) be removed automagically, but they are not. What >does seem to work, paradoxically, is to remove all of the spaces in the xml >code! > >My questions. How do I: > >@ control column widths in tables? > >@ control the total width of tables? > >@ prevent the last column in multi-column tables appearing as the first column? > >@ remove whitespace elegantly? > >@ get Frame to accept the schema in the first two lines of the xml file? >(I have tried many different versions, most of which should work, but Frame >invariably chokes). > >@ find an
Numbering question on short books that are single files
All, I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but is currently a single Frame file. I'd like to keep it as a single file, but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file. How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter and enter the first chapter? How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter? Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work around. -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone and fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Numbering question on short books that are single files
All, I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but is currently a single Frame file. I'd like to keep it as a single file, but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file. How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter and enter the first chapter? How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter? Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work around. -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Keeping track of graphics
Pearl, We only reference graphics and don't have any trouble keeping track of them (well, mostly no trouble). We name graphics according to their figure number or use and UNF for un-numbered graphics. The rub comes when an author inserts a figure and all the figure numbers in the book change --- you end up with actual figure numbers being different than the figure number in the book, unless you renumber. Our books are done by chapter, so the quantity of graphics is usually small enough that we renumber to keep things in sync. If the author adds a graphic its not as bad: you just add an alpha to the numbering scheme for the graphic (UNF1-1, UNF1-1b, UNF 1-2). -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone and fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dominick, I do not reference my graphics, but this may be a good reason to do so. Altho having the graphics in the files makes them larger, I also thought it would be easier to manage the book without a directory of graphics. I'd be interested to hear from those of you who reference graphics about how hard it is (or isn't) to keep track of the graphic files. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services - Original Message - From: "DeFlorio, Dominick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 10:28 am Subject: RE: Can't Open a FM File If it is hanging-up on a graphic, and you reference your graphics, try renaming the graphics folder. If the file is not corrupt, Frame shouldopen the file and issue an error message. Dominick A. DeFlorio Senior Technical Writer Plug Power, Inc. 968 Albany-Shaker Road Latham, NY 12110 (518) 738-0389 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:framers- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:25 AM To: Peter Gold Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't Open a FM File Unfortunately this doesn't work either. I guess I'm going to have to try to pull this info out of my memory and rewrite the chap again. - Original Message - From: Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 9:41 am Subject: Re: Can't Open a FM File Hi, Pearl: It's more likely a corrupt file than a memory issue. Have you tried the "open heroic" method? In FM, tap and rekease these keys in sequence: Escape lowercase o uppercase H Then select the file in the Open dialog box. If it opens successfully, save it immediately to a new name. At 9:29 AM -0500 12/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Framers, FM 7.0p578 Windows XP Professional 512 MB RAM I hope somebody can help me open this file. When I try to open it, FM tells me I do not have enough memory. The file is a little under 2.7 MB, and there are larger FM files in the book that FM does open. I've tried closing everything and rebooting and then opening only that file, but I get the same message. -- Regards, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ KnowHow ProServices http://www.knowhowpro.com 612.823.7113 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dominick_deflorio% 40 plugpower.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Keeping track of graphics
Pearl, We only reference graphics and don't have any trouble keeping track of them (well, mostly no trouble). We name graphics according to their figure number or use and UNF for un-numbered graphics. The rub comes when an author inserts a figure and all the figure numbers in the book change --- you end up with actual figure numbers being different than the figure number in the book, unless you renumber. Our books are done by chapter, so the quantity of graphics is usually small enough that we renumber to keep things in sync. If the author adds a graphic its not as bad: you just add an alpha to the numbering scheme for the graphic (UNF1-1, UNF1-1b, UNF 1-2). -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com wrote: >Hi Dominick, > >I do not reference my graphics, but this may be a good reason to do >so. Altho having the graphics in the files makes them larger, I also >thought it would be easier to manage the book without a directory of >graphics. > >I'd be interested to hear from those of you who reference graphics >about how hard it is (or isn't) to keep track of the graphic files. > >Pearl Rosenberg >TeleHealth Services > >- Original Message - >From: "DeFlorio, Dominick" >Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 10:28 am >Subject: RE: Can't Open a FM File > > > >>If it is hanging-up on a graphic, and you reference your graphics, >> >> >try > > >>renaming the graphics folder. If the file is not corrupt, Frame >>shouldopen the file and issue an error message. >> >> >>Dominick A. DeFlorio >>Senior Technical Writer >>Plug Power, Inc. >>968 Albany-Shaker Road >>Latham, NY 12110 >>(518) 738-0389 >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: >>framers-bounces+dominick_deflorio=plugpower.com at lists.frameusers.com >>[mailto:framers- >>bounces+dominick_deflorio=plugpower.com at lists.frameusers.com] On >>Behalf Of pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:25 AM >>To: Peter Gold >>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com >>Subject: Re: Can't Open a FM File >> >>Unfortunately this doesn't work either. I guess I'm going to have >>to try >>to pull this info out of my memory and rewrite the chap again. >> >>- Original Message - >>From: Peter Gold >>Date: Thursday, December 8, 2005 9:41 am >>Subject: Re: Can't Open a FM File >> >> >> >>>Hi, Pearl: >>> >>>It's more likely a corrupt file than a memory issue. >>> >>>Have you tried the "open heroic" method? In FM, tap and rekease >>> >>> >>these >> >> >>>keys in sequence: >>> >>>Escape >>>lowercase o >>>uppercase H >>> >>>Then select the file in the Open dialog box. If it opens >>> >>> >>successfully, >> >> >>>save it immediately to a new name. >>> >>>At 9:29 AM -0500 12/8/05, pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi Framers, >>>> >>>>FM 7.0p578 >>>>Windows XP Professional >>>>512 MB RAM >>>> >>>>I hope somebody can help me open this file. When I try to open >>>> >>>> >>it, FM >> >> >> >>>>tells me I do not have enough memory. The file is a little >>>> >>>> >>under 2.7 >> >> >>>>MB, and there are larger FM files in the book >>>> >>>> >>>that FM >>> >>> >>>>does open. I've tried closing everything and rebooting and then >>>>opening only that file, but I get the same message. >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Peter Gold >>> >>> >>> >___peter at knowhowpro.com > > >>_ >> >> >>>KnowHow ProServices >>> >>>http://www.knowhowpro.com >>> >>>612.823.7113 >>> >>> >>> >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as >>dominick_deflorio at plugpower.com. >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >>framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>or visit >> >> >> >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dominick_deflorio% >40 > > >>plugpower.com >> >>Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> >> >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as bob at technicalpublishing.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20051208/036c8f92/attachment.html
Merge lists?
Scott, I moderate several lists. If you use Mailman, its quite straightforward to merge lists. I'd suggest keeping one list and merging the 2nd list into it on as "invite" instead of "subscribe" so that people wouldn't need to do anything to opt out. In mailman at the command level you can export the 2nd list's membership and then use Mass Subscription to merge the file into the 1st list. Mailman is programmed to automatically cull out duplicate names. -bob Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com bob at technicalpublishing.com 919-933-2629 phone and fax Scott Prentice wrote: > Hi... > > I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being > relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to > know any better. > > In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists > (FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists > (except for those who have a grudge against one or the other > moderator)? If we all set aside any personal differences and pride, > would there be any problem with just having one list? > > It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, > which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time > to delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the > lists and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" > I miss something *important* on the other list? > > I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. > obviously, it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want > to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it > would just be a matter of setting up a new list, telling people about > it so they can sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we > don't want to end up with three lists). It would be great if the > moderators of the current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this > is the "perfect world"). > > I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like > to hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to > have two lists that provide the same service to the same people. > > Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts. :) > > Cheers! > > ...scott > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bob at technicalpublishing.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com > > > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
