RE: PDF back into Frame?

[Robert Shelton]

Thanks to everyone who responded. At David Spreadbury's suggestion, I am
using the trial version of NitroPDF to convert the PDF to Word, then
saving the Word as HTML to extract the images. They look as good as the
originals (which isn't always great, but that's not NitroPDF's fault.)

I tried Acrobat's "Export All Images" feature, but the results were not
good. It's possible I could change settings to make them better, but
NitroPDF has done what I need.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

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From: Robert Shelton 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:37 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF back into Frame?


I need to convert PDF output files back into their
unstructured Frame 7 source (company acquisition, missing/out-of-date
source files, no one left who can find the latest sources if they
exist). I can save as Word from PDF and then open the Word document in
Frame. When I do that, the graphics are all embedded in the Word doc,
and the resolution really takes a hit. I also tried saving the PDF as
HTML. This gets me separate graphics files, but again the resolution
isn't as good as the original.

Are there any better solutions?

Running Frame 7 and Acrobat Pro 7.1.1 on Windows XP
(it's been a while since I updated my tools).

Thanks very much.

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
--Shakespeare in Love

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PDF back into Frame?

[Robert Shelton]

Thanks to everyone who responded. At David Spreadbury's suggestion, I am
using the trial version of NitroPDF to convert the PDF to Word, then
saving the Word as HTML to extract the images. They look as good as the
originals (which isn't always great, but that's not NitroPDF's fault.)

I tried Acrobat's "Export All Images" feature, but the results were not
good. It's possible I could change settings to make them better, but
NitroPDF has done what I need.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

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From: Robert Shelton 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:37 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF back into Frame?


I need to convert PDF output files back into their
unstructured Frame 7 source (company acquisition, missing/out-of-date
source files, no one left who can find the latest sources if they
exist). I can save as Word from PDF and then open the Word document in
Frame. When I do that, the graphics are all embedded in the Word doc,
and the resolution really takes a hit. I also tried saving the PDF as
HTML. This gets me separate graphics files, but again the resolution
isn't as good as the original.

Are there any better solutions?

Running Frame 7 and Acrobat Pro 7.1.1 on Windows XP
(it's been a while since I updated my tools).

Thanks very much.

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
--Shakespeare in Love

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PDF back into Frame?

[Robert Shelton]

I need to convert PDF output files back into their unstructured Frame 7
source (company acquisition, missing/out-of-date source files, no one
left who can find the latest sources if they exist). I can save as Word
from PDF and then open the Word document in Frame. When I do that, the
graphics are all embedded in the Word doc, and the resolution really
takes a hit. I also tried saving the PDF as HTML. This gets me separate
graphics files, but again the resolution isn't as good as the original.

Are there any better solutions?

Running Frame 7 and Acrobat Pro 7.1.1 on Windows XP (it's been a while
since I updated my tools).

Thanks very much.

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
--Shakespeare in Love

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PDF back into Frame?

[Robert Shelton]

I need to convert PDF output files back into their unstructured Frame 7
source (company acquisition, missing/out-of-date source files, no one
left who can find the latest sources if they exist). I can save as Word
from PDF and then open the Word document in Frame. When I do that, the
graphics are all embedded in the Word doc, and the resolution really
takes a hit. I also tried saving the PDF as HTML. This gets me separate
graphics files, but again the resolution isn't as good as the original.

Are there any better solutions?

Running Frame 7 and Acrobat Pro 7.1.1 on Windows XP (it's been a while
since I updated my tools).

Thanks very much.

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
--Shakespeare in Love

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RE: Conditional text in Frame 9

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Johnson
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:23 PM
> 
> I have Frame 8 and can reproduce it. You can avoid it by not including
> the pilcrow in the condition in the first place. And I didn't know it
> was called a pilcrow...
> 
> Write the paragraph. Swipe the cursor over it and include the final
> period but not the pilcrow. Apply conditional text to that and you
> avoid the problem.
> 
> But if you triple-click the paragraph and apply conditional text you
> get the problem.

But if I don't conditionalize the pilcrow, when I hide the condition the
pilcrow stays there, and I end up with a blank paragraph. In most cases,
that's not what I want. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution.

Bob
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Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi
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Conditional text in Frame 9

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Johnson
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:23 PM
> 
> I have Frame 8 and can reproduce it. You can avoid it by not including
> the pilcrow in the condition in the first place. And I didn't know it
> was called a pilcrow...
> 
> Write the paragraph. Swipe the cursor over it and include the final
> period but not the pilcrow. Apply conditional text to that and you
> avoid the problem.
> 
> But if you triple-click the paragraph and apply conditional text you
> get the problem.

But if I don't conditionalize the pilcrow, when I hide the condition the
pilcrow stays there, and I end up with a blank paragraph. In most cases,
that's not what I want. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
> Griffith
> 
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700, "Fei Min Lorente"
>  wrote:
> 
> >Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
> >reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
> >having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying
the
> >software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to
> >have to pay for the software for the reviewers.
> 
> Do they have Word?  If so, use Mif2Go's Word RTF output,
> and set it to turn on Track Changes.  That makes for a
> very easy review process, and it works out of the box.
> It's the main thing our customers use the RTF output for.
> 

If you have Adobe Acrobat, another option is to produce a PDF file from
the Frame document, then use Acrobat to enable commenting in Adobe
Reader. You need one copy of Acrobat Pro, but the reviewers only need
the free reader.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: FrameMaker 7.2 Compatiblity with Acrobat 9

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
> Griffith
> 
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:31:43 -0700, "Fei Min Lorente"
>  wrote:
> 
> >Incidentally, if anyone has any other suggestions for doing online
> >reviews of FrameMaker documents that doesn't involve every reviewer
> >having a copy of FrameMaker, please let me know. We're okay buying
the
> >software to produce an online-reviewable document, but don't want to
> >have to pay for the software for the reviewers.
> 
> Do they have Word?  If so, use Mif2Go's Word RTF output,
> and set it to turn on Track Changes.  That makes for a
> very easy review process, and it works out of the box.
> It's the main thing our customers use the RTF output for.
> 

If you have Adobe Acrobat, another option is to produce a PDF file from
the Frame document, then use Acrobat to enable commenting in Adobe
Reader. You need one copy of Acrobat Pro, but the reviewers only need
the free reader.

Bob
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Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi
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Difference Between Save As and Print to Adobe PDF

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
> Campbell
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:38 AM
> To: Fei Min Lorente
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Difference Between Save As and Print to Adobe PDF
> 
> Almost certainly. The big problem is that you don't/can't know exactly
> what SaveAs is doing because it's hard coded.
> 
> If you want to known and control the operation, use Print...
> 

I hesitate to even say this, but I've been using Save As with Frame 7
and Acrobat 7 for a at least a couple of years, without problems (except
that links in the PDF are sometimes off by one line, which is weird, but
rare).

Art, I don't know what you mean when you say you can't set job options
with Save As. The PDF Setup dialog box lets me set the job options file
I want to use. Are you saying that Save As ignores that setting?

Now where's some wood for me to knock on?

Thanks.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: Difference Between Save As and Print to Adobe PDF

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art
> Campbell
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:38 AM
> To: Fei Min Lorente
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Difference Between Save As and Print to Adobe PDF
> 
> Almost certainly. The big problem is that you don't/can't know exactly
> what SaveAs is doing because it's hard coded.
> 
> If you want to known and control the operation, use Print...
> 

I hesitate to even say this, but I've been using Save As with Frame 7
and Acrobat 7 for a at least a couple of years, without problems (except
that links in the PDF are sometimes off by one line, which is weird, but
rare).

Art, I don't know what you mean when you say you can't set job options
with Save As. The PDF Setup dialog box lets me set the job options file
I want to use. Are you saying that Save As ignores that setting?

Now where's some wood for me to knock on?

Thanks.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi
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RE: Save As not working with Acrobat Pro 9.0- issue still not resolved

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:01 AM
> To: Art Campbell; Garnier Garnier
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Save As not working with Acrobat Pro 9.0- issue 
> still not resolved
> 
> To be as clear as possible, the "save as PDF" feature of 
> FrameMaker 7 is not at all compatible with Acrobat 7, 8, or 9!
> 
>   - Dov

I feel like I shouldn't even say this out loud now--I've been using
Frame 7.0 and Acrobat Pro 7 together for a  couple of years, and Save as
PDF works like a charm for me.

Where's some wood to knock on?

Bob
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Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
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Save As not working with Acrobat Pro 9.0- issue still not resolved

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:01 AM
> To: Art Campbell; Garnier Garnier
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Save As not working with Acrobat Pro 9.0- issue 
> still not resolved
> 
> To be as clear as possible, the "save as PDF" feature of 
> FrameMaker 7 is not at all compatible with Acrobat 7, 8, or 9!
> 
>   - Dov

I feel like I shouldn't even say this out loud now--I've been using
Frame 7.0 and Acrobat Pro 7 together for a  couple of years, and Save as
PDF works like a charm for me.

Where's some wood to knock on?

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sharon Burton
> 
> This is easy. 14 steps: 
> 
> 1. Identify the audience
> 2. Identify the information needs of that audience (job aids, 
> user guides, and so on) 3. Identify the tasks the audience 
> needs to do 4. Identify the supporting info the audience 
> needs to do those tasks 5. Identify the best way to deliver 
> the information (PDF, help, others) 6. Create a plan that 
> layout all this information 7. Assign time estimates to the 
> plan 8. Decide what can be cut due to time limitations 9. 
> Start creating the information, adapting to the changing 
> product 10. Review by others 11. Make the review changes 12. 
> Build "gold" candidates 13. Deliver the finals 14. Archive 
> the finals, including all planning information
> 
> Of course, these steps include a lot of embedded steps and 
> domain knowledge in our field. But these are the steps. 

I think you skipped something important:

1. Hire a tech writer.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi
 

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Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sharon Burton
> 
> This is easy. 14 steps: 
> 
> 1. Identify the audience
> 2. Identify the information needs of that audience (job aids, 
> user guides, and so on) 3. Identify the tasks the audience 
> needs to do 4. Identify the supporting info the audience 
> needs to do those tasks 5. Identify the best way to deliver 
> the information (PDF, help, others) 6. Create a plan that 
> layout all this information 7. Assign time estimates to the 
> plan 8. Decide what can be cut due to time limitations 9. 
> Start creating the information, adapting to the changing 
> product 10. Review by others 11. Make the review changes 12. 
> Build "gold" candidates 13. Deliver the finals 14. Archive 
> the finals, including all planning information
> 
> Of course, these steps include a lot of embedded steps and 
> domain knowledge in our field. But these are the steps. 

I think you skipped something important:

1. Hire a tech writer.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: Changed a format's tab stop & imported to 2nd doc--but 2nd doc's tabstop doesn't change

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> cewi...@aep.com
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've got a FM book with several documents in it. In document 
> A, I changed a tab stop in my Header paragraph 
> format--intending that I would then import formats into each 
> of the other documents in the book. Naturally, I'm expecting 
> that once I've done so, the header's tab stop would have 
> automatically changed because I'd imported and therefore 
> replaced its format. (Yes, the format's name is the same in 
> all documents.)
> 
> So--after changing the format in document A, I saved document 
> A and then switched to document B (already open), hit 
> File>Import>Formats, selected document A, selected (only) 
> Paragraph Formats, and hit Import. But when I check the 
> header in document B, the tab stop has remained the same. :-(
> 
> I even tried importing both Paragraph Formats and Page 
> Layouts...to no avail.
> 
> What am I missing here?

Is there an override on the header paragraph in document B? Did you
remove overrides when importing the formats?

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
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Changed a format's tab stop & imported to 2nd doc--but 2nd doc's tabstop doesn't change

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> cewinch at aep.com
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've got a FM book with several documents in it. In document 
> A, I changed a tab stop in my Header paragraph 
> format--intending that I would then import formats into each 
> of the other documents in the book. Naturally, I'm expecting 
> that once I've done so, the header's tab stop would have 
> automatically changed because I'd imported and therefore 
> replaced its format. (Yes, the format's name is the same in 
> all documents.)
> 
> So--after changing the format in document A, I saved document 
> A and then switched to document B (already open), hit 
> File>Import>Formats, selected document A, selected (only) 
> Paragraph Formats, and hit Import. But when I check the 
> header in document B, the tab stop has remained the same. :-(
> 
> I even tried importing both Paragraph Formats and Page 
> Layouts...to no avail.
> 
> What am I missing here?

Is there an override on the header paragraph in document B? Did you
remove overrides when importing the formats?

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
--Shakespeare in Love

question about usage

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Deirdre Reagan
> 
> Thanks all for the responses about alphanumeric characters 
> and the use of that terminology.
> 
> I get that 123ABC consist of alphanumerical characters.
> 
> However, does 123 consist of numerical characters?  I would 
> say it consists of numbers.
> 
> Does ABC consist of alpha characters?  I would say it 
> consists of letters.
> 
> In the documents I am working with, 123 is refered to as 
> numerical characters and ABC is refered to as alpha characters.
> 
> Here's what I'm talking about:
> 
> "Move the part numbers that begin with a numerical character 
> to the end of the list after the part numbers that begin with 
> an alpha character."
> 
> I'm just wondering how widespread this usage is.  Are these 
> terms just in my documents in my company, and I should make 
> the correction, or do technical writers the world over use 
> "alpha characters" to refer to letters and "numerical 
> characters" to refer to numbers?

In my somewhat limited experience, yes, this usage is widespread. That
doesn't make it right. I think it's mostly just people trying to sound
technical and fancy. If you're writing for programmers, maybe. If you're
writing for a non-technical audience, I would use "number" and "letter."
And for "alphanumeric characters," I would say "letters or numbers." But
that may just be me.

Bob

HF: "So what do we do?"
PH: "Nothing. Strangely enough, it all turns out well."
HF: "How?"
PH: "I don't know. It's a mystery."
--Shakespeare in Love

Remove Overrides...doesn't

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Abernathy
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Remove Overrides...doesn't
> 
> I have an obnoxious master page that prompts me to Remove 
> Overrides every time I return to the body page. When I 
> receive the Page Layout Warning, I dutifully click "Remove 
> Overrides." I see no visible change in the document. When I 
> go back to the master page and return to the body page view, 
> I get the same error message. Nothing by way of explanation, 
> mind you. "Frame are not amused by your vile master page, 
> little man. Remedy it at once, and trouble us not for explanation!"
> 
> Have any of you encountered/conquered this one in your 
> Framely peregrinations?

Encountered? Yes. Conquered? No. Like you, I just say to remove
overrides every time, and every time nothing seems to happen.

So at least know that you aren't alone, and you won't be the only one
happy to see the answer.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: Remove Overrides...doesn't

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> William Abernathy
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:34 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Remove Overrides...doesn't
> 
> I have an obnoxious master page that prompts me to Remove 
> Overrides every time I return to the body page. When I 
> receive the Page Layout Warning, I dutifully click "Remove 
> Overrides." I see no visible change in the document. When I 
> go back to the master page and return to the body page view, 
> I get the same error message. Nothing by way of explanation, 
> mind you. "Frame are not amused by your vile master page, 
> little man. Remedy it at once, and trouble us not for explanation!"
> 
> Have any of you encountered/conquered this one in your 
> Framely peregrinations?

Encountered? Yes. Conquered? No. Like you, I just say to remove
overrides every time, and every time nothing seems to happen.

So at least know that you aren't alone, and you won't be the only one
happy to see the answer.

Bob
"Let what comes, come,
Let what goes, go,
Find out what remains."
Sri Ramana Maharshi
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RE: Keyboard shortcuts stop working

[Robert Shelton]

And it happens to me from time to time in 7.0p578.

Bob

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> 
> I occasionally get this with 7.1p116
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> a fellow Framer is using FrameMaker 7.2b144. Sometimes (and 
> we don't know how it's triggered) the keyboard shortcuts 
> (CTRL+X, CTRL+Z and others) stop working. When he quits and 
> restarts FrameMaker, everything is fine again.
> 
> Is this a known bug? Has anyone had the same problem before? 
> In which version?
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Keyboard shortcuts stop working

[Robert Shelton]

And it happens to me from time to time in 7.0p578.

Bob

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> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers
.com] On Behalf Of peter at galley.ie
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: peter at galley.ie
> Subject: RE: Keyboard shortcuts stop working
> 
> I occasionally get this with 7.1p116
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> a fellow Framer is using FrameMaker 7.2b144. Sometimes (and 
> we don't know how it's triggered) the keyboard shortcuts 
> (CTRL+X, CTRL+Z and others) stop working. When he quits and 
> restarts FrameMaker, everything is fine again.
> 
> Is this a known bug? Has anyone had the same problem before? 
> In which version?
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Yves Barbion
> Documentation Architect
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

Replace Paragraph Tags

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
> 
> Howard,
> 
> Whoa.  Stop.  You are doing this the hard way.  And you don't 
> have to do a
> global S&R.  There is a much easier way.
> 
> 1. Import the new text.
> 2. Click on any paragraph with the ameritem tag.
> 3. in the para designer, replace the name ameritem with the 
> name albody.
> 4. Click Update All.  Do NOT click Apply.
> 5. Frame will display a confirmation box saying "Rename all 
> ameritem tags to
> allbody.
>Click Yes.  Now all the ameritem tags are renamed to 
> albody, but do not
> yet have the albody format.
> 6. Click any of the _original_ paragraphs that is tagged albody.
> 7. Click Update All.  Click Yes in the confirmation dialog 
> box.  Now, all of
> the allbody text is the same, including the imported text.
> 
> Repeat steps 2-7 for each imported tag.
> 

Diane,

Thanks. That method is new to me. But you'd need to do that separately for each 
document in a book, wouldn't you? Whereas if you use the global S&R method, you 
can do the entire book in one swell foop:

1. Import the new text.
2. Manually change one paragraph to the new paragraph tag (a1body).
3. Use Copy, Special, to copy the paragraph tag to the clipboard.
4. Globally search for the paragraph tag ameritem, replacing by pasting.
5. Repeat steps 2-4 for all tags.

This way is fewer steps, but I suspect which one is actually easier depends on 
the exact situation.

Bob
"Let what comes come,
Let what goes go,
Find out what remains"
--Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: Replace Paragraph Tags

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
> 
> Howard,
> 
> Whoa.  Stop.  You are doing this the hard way.  And you don't 
> have to do a
> global S&R.  There is a much easier way.
> 
> 1. Import the new text.
> 2. Click on any paragraph with the ameritem tag.
> 3. in the para designer, replace the name ameritem with the 
> name albody.
> 4. Click Update All.  Do NOT click Apply.
> 5. Frame will display a confirmation box saying "Rename all 
> ameritem tags to
> allbody.
>Click Yes.  Now all the ameritem tags are renamed to 
> albody, but do not
> yet have the albody format.
> 6. Click any of the _original_ paragraphs that is tagged albody.
> 7. Click Update All.  Click Yes in the confirmation dialog 
> box.  Now, all of
> the allbody text is the same, including the imported text.
> 
> Repeat steps 2-7 for each imported tag.
> 

Diane,

Thanks. That method is new to me. But you'd need to do that separately for each 
document in a book, wouldn't you? Whereas if you use the global S&R method, you 
can do the entire book in one swell foop:

1. Import the new text.
2. Manually change one paragraph to the new paragraph tag (a1body).
3. Use Copy, Special, to copy the paragraph tag to the clipboard.
4. Globally search for the paragraph tag ameritem, replacing by pasting.
5. Repeat steps 2-4 for all tags.

This way is fewer steps, but I suspect which one is actually easier depends on 
the exact situation.

Bob
"Let what comes come,
Let what goes go,
Find out what remains"
--Sri Ramana Maharshi
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RE: Strange PDF Problem

[Robert Shelton]

I'm by no means an expert on Frame or Acrobat, but I just renamed a file 
created with Save As PDF from Frame 7.0 (578) and the internal links all still 
work. So not all internal links contain the filename and break when you change 
it.

Bob
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Strange PDF Problem
> 
> 
> Hi Nancy,
> 
> This is not a strange problem. It is the way that Acrobat is 
> designed.  The
> links contain the filenames that exist when you creat them.  
> You cannot
> change the external name of the file afterward and expect the 
> internal link
> names to change too.  It doesn't happen.  Your observation is correct.
> Acrobat is looking for the original file names.
> 
> The solution is to decide on the final file names before you 
> save as PDF
> from Frame.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Diane Gaskill
> ==
> 
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> Subject: Strange PDF Problem
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are experiencing a strange pdf problem. We have several 
> Frame books that
> we create pdf's from. We're using Frame 7.2 and I select the 
> Save As feature
> and  then save as pdf. The problem happens when we change the 
> name of the
> pdf
> file to  anything different than the name of the book file 
> (with the .pdf
> extension).  Many of the links in the index and TOC say that 
> the pdf file
> does not
> exist  because it seems to be looking for the name of the 
> book file (with
> the
> .pdf  extension) and not the new name of the pdf file.
> 
> Has anyone else had this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy Adams
> 
> 
> 
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Strange PDF Problem

[Robert Shelton]

I'm by no means an expert on Frame or Acrobat, but I just renamed a file 
created with Save As PDF from Frame 7.0 (578) and the internal links all still 
work. So not all internal links contain the filename and break when you change 
it.

Bob
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Let what goes go,
Find out what remains"
--Sri Ramana Maharshi


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:52 PM
> To: ActionA at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Strange PDF Problem
> 
> 
> Hi Nancy,
> 
> This is not a strange problem. It is the way that Acrobat is 
> designed.  The
> links contain the filenames that exist when you creat them.  
> You cannot
> change the external name of the file afterward and expect the 
> internal link
> names to change too.  It doesn't happen.  Your observation is correct.
> Acrobat is looking for the original file names.
> 
> The solution is to decide on the final file names before you 
> save as PDF
> from Frame.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Diane Gaskill
> ==
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of ActionA at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Strange PDF Problem
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are experiencing a strange pdf problem. We have several 
> Frame books that
> we create pdf's from. We're using Frame 7.2 and I select the 
> Save As feature
> and  then save as pdf. The problem happens when we change the 
> name of the
> pdf
> file to  anything different than the name of the book file 
> (with the .pdf
> extension).  Many of the links in the index and TOC say that 
> the pdf file
> does not
> exist  because it seems to be looking for the name of the 
> book file (with
> the
> .pdf  extension) and not the new name of the pdf file.
> 
> Has anyone else had this problem?
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy Adams
> 
> 
> 
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Acrobat 8 Email-based Reviews

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Lin Surasky
> 
> Hi all-
>  
> This is a tad off-topic but if anyone can answer this, it's you all.
> Does anyone use the email-based review feature in Acrobat?
> If so, how do you send an updated draft once the first round of comments
> has been incorporated and the PDF regenerated?
> I've R'edTFOH, and of course it's not as helpful as the name would have
> you think.
> Thanks for any help on this
> -Lin

Lin,

I use e-mail based reviews in Acrobat 7, not 8, so if this has changed, feel 
free to ignore me. :-)

After I've added the changes to my Frame docs and regenerated the PDF, if I try 
to send it for review again, Acrobat says it can't do that because the PDF is 
already part of an e-mail based review. Is that the problem you're having? If 
so, there are two ways around it that I know of:

1. Generate the second PDF with a different name than the first one.

2. In Acrobat, from the Send for Review menu, select Tracker. This shows a list 
of your current reviews. Right-click the earlier review in the list and select 
Remove. You can now send the same PDF for review again.

HTH,

Bob
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Let what goes go,
Find out what remains"
--Sri Ramana Maharshi

RE: Acrobat 8 Email-based Reviews

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Lin Surasky
> 
> Hi all-
>  
> This is a tad off-topic but if anyone can answer this, it's you all.
> Does anyone use the email-based review feature in Acrobat?
> If so, how do you send an updated draft once the first round of comments
> has been incorporated and the PDF regenerated?
> I've R'edTFOH, and of course it's not as helpful as the name would have
> you think.
> Thanks for any help on this
> -Lin

Lin,

I use e-mail based reviews in Acrobat 7, not 8, so if this has changed, feel 
free to ignore me. :-)

After I've added the changes to my Frame docs and regenerated the PDF, if I try 
to send it for review again, Acrobat says it can't do that because the PDF is 
already part of an e-mail based review. Is that the problem you're having? If 
so, there are two ways around it that I know of:

1. Generate the second PDF with a different name than the first one.

2. In Acrobat, from the Send for Review menu, select Tracker. This shows a list 
of your current reviews. Right-click the earlier review in the list and select 
Remove. You can now send the same PDF for review again.

HTH,

Bob
"Let what comes come,
Let what goes go,
Find out what remains"
--Sri Ramana Maharshi

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Place graphics frame in anchored frame?

[Robert Shelton]

Thanks to Stuart and to Richard Combs, who contact me off-list with a slightly 
different method, which worked. I thought I had tried cutting and pasting the 
graphic frame into an anchored frame, but I must have skipped something, 
because it didn't work until I got the help.

Bob
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> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:33 PM
> To: Robert Shelton
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Place graphics frame in anchored frame?
> 
> 
> Robert Shelton wrote:
> > Frame 7.0 on Windows 2000
> > 
> > I'm working with an inherited document. It has a graphics frame,
> > which I would like to either convert to an anchored frame 
> or place in
> > an anchored frame so it will flow correctly with the text around it.
> > I can't find any way to do this. What am I missing?
> > 
> > In case it matters, the graphics frame is a flow chart, so it
> > contains several drawing objects and several text frames.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help.
> > 
> 
> One way:
> 
> 1. In your text, insert an anchored frame (of any size).
> 
> 2. With View > Borders turned on, select your graphic frame 
> and drag it 
> by one edge into your anchored frame.
> 
> 3. Resize your anchored frame (Esc m p).
> 
> 'Nother way:
> 
> 1. In your text, insert an anchored frame (of any size).
> 
> 2. Select your graphic frame and Select All (Ctrl-A in Windows).
> 
> 3. Cut the selection.
> 
> 4. Select your anchored frame.
> 
> 5. Paste the selection.
> 
> 6. Resize as above.
> 

RE: Place graphics frame in anchored frame?

[Robert Shelton]

Thanks to Stuart and to Richard Combs, who contact me off-list with a slightly 
different method, which worked. I thought I had tried cutting and pasting the 
graphic frame into an anchored frame, but I must have skipped something, 
because it didn't work until I got the help.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus


> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:33 PM
> To: Robert Shelton
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Place graphics frame in anchored frame?
> 
> 
> Robert Shelton wrote:
> > Frame 7.0 on Windows 2000
> > 
> > I'm working with an inherited document. It has a graphics frame,
> > which I would like to either convert to an anchored frame 
> or place in
> > an anchored frame so it will flow correctly with the text around it.
> > I can't find any way to do this. What am I missing?
> > 
> > In case it matters, the graphics frame is a flow chart, so it
> > contains several drawing objects and several text frames.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help.
> > 
> 
> One way:
> 
> 1. In your text, insert an anchored frame (of any size).
> 
> 2. With View > Borders turned on, select your graphic frame 
> and drag it 
> by one edge into your anchored frame.
> 
> 3. Resize your anchored frame (Esc m p).
> 
> 'Nother way:
> 
> 1. In your text, insert an anchored frame (of any size).
> 
> 2. Select your graphic frame and Select All (Ctrl-A in Windows).
> 
> 3. Cut the selection.
> 
> 4. Select your anchored frame.
> 
> 5. Paste the selection.
> 
> 6. Resize as above.
> 
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Place graphics frame in anchored frame?

[Robert Shelton]

Frame 7.0 on Windows 2000

I'm working with an inherited document. It has a graphics frame, which I would 
like to either convert to an anchored frame or place in an anchored frame so it 
will flow correctly with the text around it. I can't find any way to do this. 
What am I missing?

In case it matters, the graphics frame is a flow chart, so it contains several 
drawing objects and several text frames.

Thanks for your help.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

Place graphics frame in anchored frame?

[Robert Shelton]

Frame 7.0 on Windows 2000

I'm working with an inherited document. It has a graphics frame, which I would 
like to either convert to an anchored frame or place in an anchored frame so it 
will flow correctly with the text around it. I can't find any way to do this. 
What am I missing?

In case it matters, the graphics frame is a flow chart, so it contains several 
drawing objects and several text frames.

Thanks for your help.

Bob
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replacing paragraph styles in a book

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Jon Harvey
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> I am trying to find a fast way to replace one paragraph tag in a book
> with another without going through each file one at a time. For example,
> assume a  file (open but not in the book) has a style called
> "desiredstyle" and all the files in my book have a style called
> "unwantedstyle". Is there a fast way to globally replace the
> "unwantedstyle" with "desiredstyle" in a book? The only way I know to do
> this is to go through each file one at a time and use the paragraph
> designer. I have lots of styles to replace  so an automated technique
> would help a lot.
> 

Jon,

With the insertion point in a paragraph that uses "desiredstyle," from the Edit 
menu, select Copy Special, Paragraph Format. You now have the desired format on 
the clipboard.

Now, do a search and replace through the entire book, searching for paragraph 
tag "unwantedstyle" and choosing "By pasting" in the Change field. You might 
want to do one or two replaces individually to make sure this gives you what 
you want, but you can then do a "change all" for the book.

Not exactly automated, but it will do the whole book a lot faster than changing 
one tag at a time.

(Thanks to David Knopf for teaching me this when I was starting with Frame, not 
that long ago.)

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

RE: replacing paragraph styles in a book

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Jon Harvey
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> I am trying to find a fast way to replace one paragraph tag in a book
> with another without going through each file one at a time. For example,
> assume a  file (open but not in the book) has a style called
> "desiredstyle" and all the files in my book have a style called
> "unwantedstyle". Is there a fast way to globally replace the
> "unwantedstyle" with "desiredstyle" in a book? The only way I know to do
> this is to go through each file one at a time and use the paragraph
> designer. I have lots of styles to replace  so an automated technique
> would help a lot.
> 

Jon,

With the insertion point in a paragraph that uses "desiredstyle," from the Edit 
menu, select Copy Special, Paragraph Format. You now have the desired format on 
the clipboard.

Now, do a search and replace through the entire book, searching for paragraph 
tag "unwantedstyle" and choosing "By pasting" in the Change field. You might 
want to do one or two replaces individually to make sure this gives you what 
you want, but you can then do a "change all" for the book.

Not exactly automated, but it will do the whole book a lot faster than changing 
one tag at a time.

(Thanks to David Knopf for teaching me this when I was starting with Frame, not 
that long ago.)

Bob
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My colors are gone -- Fixed

[Robert Shelton]

I've been asked (again off-list) for more details: Somehow, a setting had been 
changed on the Define Color Views dialog (on the View menu, select Color, 
Views). I was set to use View 2, which had most of the colors set to invisible. 
I didn't even know that dialog existed, so I have no idea how it happened. But 
I selected View 1 instead, which had nothing set to invisible, and everything 
is fine now.

Bob
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> -Original Message-
> 
> I was given the answer off-list. Somehow, my color view was 
> changed so that most non-black colors were invisible. I have 
> no idea how it happened, but it's fixed now.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> > 
> > I'm working in a document I just took over from a writer who 
> > left. I want it to use my styles, so I imported all 
> > formats--page layouts, paragraphs, characters, color 
> > definitions, everything--from one of my other documents. 
> > Everything seems to be working as expected, except that when 
> > I apply a character style that's supposed to be red, the text 
> > disappears. I assume it's getting set to white instead. When 
> > I re-apply the default paragraph font, the text goes back to black.
> > 
> > I've checked the character definition and it definitely says red.
> > 
> > I've checked the document I copied the formats from, and it 
> > works fine there.
> > 
> > I've looked at the color definition for red, and it's red, 
> all right.
> > 
> > I've tried applying the color directly, not through a 
> > character style. Same problem.
> > 
> > I've tried using green instead of red. Same problem.
> > 
> > I've saved the file as a PDF, and the text is invisible there, too.
> > 
> > I've shut down and re-opened Frame, just in case.
> > 
> > Why won't my colors work?
> > 
> > Frame 7.0p578 on Win 2000 Pro.
> > 
> > Thanks for any help you can give me.

My colors are gone -- Fixed

[Robert Shelton]

I was given the answer off-list. Somehow, my color view was changed so that 
most non-black colors were invisible. I have no idea how it happened, but it's 
fixed now.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:34 PM
> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: My colors are gone
> 
> 
> I'm working in a document I just took over from a writer who 
> left. I want it to use my styles, so I imported all 
> formats--page layouts, paragraphs, characters, color 
> definitions, everything--from one of my other documents. 
> Everything seems to be working as expected, except that when 
> I apply a character style that's supposed to be red, the text 
> disappears. I assume it's getting set to white instead. When 
> I re-apply the default paragraph font, the text goes back to black.
> 
> I've checked the character definition and it definitely says red.
> 
> I've checked the document I copied the formats from, and it 
> works fine there.
> 
> I've looked at the color definition for red, and it's red, all right.
> 
> I've tried applying the color directly, not through a 
> character style. Same problem.
> 
> I've tried using green instead of red. Same problem.
> 
> I've saved the file as a PDF, and the text is invisible there, too.
> 
> I've shut down and re-opened Frame, just in case.
> 
> Why won't my colors work?
> 
> Frame 7.0p578 on Win 2000 Pro.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me.

My colors are gone

[Robert Shelton]

I'm working in a document I just took over from a writer who left. I want it to 
use my styles, so I imported all formats--page layouts, paragraphs, characters, 
color definitions, everything--from one of my other documents. Everything seems 
to be working as expected, except that when I apply a character style that's 
supposed to be red, the text disappears. I assume it's getting set to white 
instead. When I re-apply the default paragraph font, the text goes back to 
black.

I've checked the character definition and it definitely says red.

I've checked the document I copied the formats from, and it works fine there.

I've looked at the color definition for red, and it's red, all right.

I've tried applying the color directly, not through a character style. Same 
problem.

I've tried using green instead of red. Same problem.

I've saved the file as a PDF, and the text is invisible there, too.

I've shut down and re-opened Frame, just in case.

Why won't my colors work?

Frame 7.0p578 on Win 2000 Pro.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

RE: My colors are gone -- Fixed

[Robert Shelton]

I've been asked (again off-list) for more details: Somehow, a setting had been 
changed on the Define Color Views dialog (on the View menu, select Color, 
Views). I was set to use View 2, which had most of the colors set to invisible. 
I didn't even know that dialog existed, so I have no idea how it happened. But 
I selected View 1 instead, which had nothing set to invisible, and everything 
is fine now.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus


> -Original Message-
> 
> I was given the answer off-list. Somehow, my color view was 
> changed so that most non-black colors were invisible. I have 
> no idea how it happened, but it's fixed now.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> > 
> > I'm working in a document I just took over from a writer who 
> > left. I want it to use my styles, so I imported all 
> > formats--page layouts, paragraphs, characters, color 
> > definitions, everything--from one of my other documents. 
> > Everything seems to be working as expected, except that when 
> > I apply a character style that's supposed to be red, the text 
> > disappears. I assume it's getting set to white instead. When 
> > I re-apply the default paragraph font, the text goes back to black.
> > 
> > I've checked the character definition and it definitely says red.
> > 
> > I've checked the document I copied the formats from, and it 
> > works fine there.
> > 
> > I've looked at the color definition for red, and it's red, 
> all right.
> > 
> > I've tried applying the color directly, not through a 
> > character style. Same problem.
> > 
> > I've tried using green instead of red. Same problem.
> > 
> > I've saved the file as a PDF, and the text is invisible there, too.
> > 
> > I've shut down and re-opened Frame, just in case.
> > 
> > Why won't my colors work?
> > 
> > Frame 7.0p578 on Win 2000 Pro.
> > 
> > Thanks for any help you can give me.
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RE: My colors are gone -- Fixed

[Robert Shelton]

I was given the answer off-list. Somehow, my color view was changed so that 
most non-black colors were invisible. I have no idea how it happened, but it's 
fixed now.

Bob
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 2:34 PM
> To: framers@FrameUsers.com
> Subject: My colors are gone
> 
> 
> I'm working in a document I just took over from a writer who 
> left. I want it to use my styles, so I imported all 
> formats--page layouts, paragraphs, characters, color 
> definitions, everything--from one of my other documents. 
> Everything seems to be working as expected, except that when 
> I apply a character style that's supposed to be red, the text 
> disappears. I assume it's getting set to white instead. When 
> I re-apply the default paragraph font, the text goes back to black.
> 
> I've checked the character definition and it definitely says red.
> 
> I've checked the document I copied the formats from, and it 
> works fine there.
> 
> I've looked at the color definition for red, and it's red, all right.
> 
> I've tried applying the color directly, not through a 
> character style. Same problem.
> 
> I've tried using green instead of red. Same problem.
> 
> I've saved the file as a PDF, and the text is invisible there, too.
> 
> I've shut down and re-opened Frame, just in case.
> 
> Why won't my colors work?
> 
> Frame 7.0p578 on Win 2000 Pro.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
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My colors are gone

[Robert Shelton]

I'm working in a document I just took over from a writer who left. I want it to 
use my styles, so I imported all formats--page layouts, paragraphs, characters, 
color definitions, everything--from one of my other documents. Everything seems 
to be working as expected, except that when I apply a character style that's 
supposed to be red, the text disappears. I assume it's getting set to white 
instead. When I re-apply the default paragraph font, the text goes back to 
black.

I've checked the character definition and it definitely says red.

I've checked the document I copied the formats from, and it works fine there.

I've looked at the color definition for red, and it's red, all right.

I've tried applying the color directly, not through a character style. Same 
problem.

I've tried using green instead of red. Same problem.

I've saved the file as a PDF, and the text is invisible there, too.

I've shut down and re-opened Frame, just in case.

Why won't my colors work?

Frame 7.0p578 on Win 2000 Pro.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

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RE: Frame 7.2 & Acrobat Standard 6

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Art Campbell
> 
> Only serious drawback compared to Pro, I think, is that you can't
> enable Commenting-by-Reader in standard. So if you use .PDFs for
> reviews, you could be disappointed.

You can't do it in Acrobat 6 either Standard or Pro. You need Acrobat Pro 7 to 
enable commenting by Reader 7 users.

Bob
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> Art
> 
> On 8/25/06, Ann-Marie Grissino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've never run Acrobat Standard, always Professional. Does anyone know
> > if you can generate PDFs from Frame 7.2 if you have only Acrobat
> > Standard 6.0?
> >
> > Thx.
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Frame 7.2 & Acrobat Standard 6

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Art Campbell
> 
> Only serious drawback compared to Pro, I think, is that you can't
> enable Commenting-by-Reader in standard. So if you use .PDFs for
> reviews, you could be disappointed.

You can't do it in Acrobat 6 either Standard or Pro. You need Acrobat Pro 7 to 
enable commenting by Reader 7 users.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus


> Art
> 
> On 8/25/06, Ann-Marie Grissino  wrote:
> > I've never run Acrobat Standard, always Professional. Does anyone know
> > if you can generate PDFs from Frame 7.2 if you have only Acrobat
> > Standard 6.0?
> >
> > Thx.

Frame 7.2 & Acrobat Standard 6

[Robert Shelton]

I don't know specifically about 7.2, but I generate PDFs from Frame 7.0 with 
Acrobat 6 Standard all the time. I've never had a problem.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Ann-Marie Grissino
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:27 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Frame 7.2 & Acrobat Standard 6
> 
> 
> I've never run Acrobat Standard, always Professional. Does anyone know
> if you can generate PDFs from Frame 7.2 if you have only Acrobat
> Standard 6.0? 
> 
> Thx. 
> 
>  
>

RE: Frame 7.2 & Acrobat Standard 6

[Robert Shelton]

I don't know specifically about 7.2, but I generate PDFs from Frame 7.0 with 
Acrobat 6 Standard all the time. I've never had a problem.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Ann-Marie Grissino
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:27 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Frame 7.2 & Acrobat Standard 6
> 
> 
> I've never run Acrobat Standard, always Professional. Does anyone know
> if you can generate PDFs from Frame 7.2 if you have only Acrobat
> Standard 6.0? 
> 
> Thx. 
> 
>  
>
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Framemaker vs. Flare

[Robert Shelton]

Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of AJ Coots
> 
> Let me re-phrase the question:  Has anyone here used Madcap Flare? 
> 
If you're looking for feedback from people who use Flare, you might want to ask 
this question on the HATT (Help Authoring Tools and Techniques) Yahoo group, or 
just search their archives. There are also Madcap user forums: 
http://tinyurl.com/k5vnk 

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

RE: Framemaker vs. Flare

[Robert Shelton]

Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of AJ Coots
> 
> Let me re-phrase the question:  Has anyone here used Madcap Flare? 
> 
If you're looking for feedback from people who use Flare, you might want to ask 
this question on the HATT (Help Authoring Tools and Techniques) Yahoo group, or 
just search their archives. There are also Madcap user forums: 
http://tinyurl.com/k5vnk 
 
Bob
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Syntax for if/then statement

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
> Behalf Of Beck, Charles
> 
> Hi Tammy, 
> 
> Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on
> your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of
> Style for Technical Publications, Third Edition_ takes it even further:
> That style guide states that you should avoid the "if...then"
> construction altogether and not use the word "then" at all in such
> situations. That is, you should simply say something like "If
> such-and-such is true, do this." 

MMoS may not like "if..., then," but that doesn't mean it agrees with the 
editor. There's a big difference between saying the "then" is unnecessary and 
saying you need to add an "and."

> This has also been the policy/practice with my past and present
> employers and clients. I formerly also used "if...then" constructions
> almost exclusively, so it was a challenge for me to adhere to this
> standard when I first encountered it. But after thinking it through, I
> eventually agreed that it is cleaner and more succinct. 

For what it's worth, I rarely use "then" in this situation, but using "then" is 
much better than using "and then." As others have said, in this construction, 
that's just grammatically wrong.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

RE: Syntax for if/then statement

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Beck, Charles
> 
> Hi Tammy, 
> 
> Bad news: At least one major style guide and my own experience are on
> your new editor's side on this one. In fact, the _Microsoft Manual of
> Style for Technical Publications, Third Edition_ takes it even further:
> That style guide states that you should avoid the "if...then"
> construction altogether and not use the word "then" at all in such
> situations. That is, you should simply say something like "If
> such-and-such is true, do this." 

MMoS may not like "if..., then," but that doesn't mean it agrees with the 
editor. There's a big difference between saying the "then" is unnecessary and 
saying you need to add an "and."
 
> This has also been the policy/practice with my past and present
> employers and clients. I formerly also used "if...then" constructions
> almost exclusively, so it was a challenge for me to adhere to this
> standard when I first encountered it. But after thinking it through, I
> eventually agreed that it is cleaner and more succinct. 

For what it's worth, I rarely use "then" in this situation, but using "then" is 
much better than using "and then." As others have said, in this construction, 
that's just grammatically wrong.

Bob
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Dumb, obvious question

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:lprice at txstruct.com]
> 
> At 03:55 PM 4/14/2006, Karen L. Zorn wrote:
> >Sorry, Bob, you can't apply conditions to character tags. 
> 8 You can find
> >the character tag then manually apply the condition.
> 
> Bob,
>You can also apply the condition once, use copy special to 
> copy the 
> condition to the clipboard, and then apply the condition to 
> all occurrences 
> of the character tag with a global Find/Change by pasting.
>  --Lynne

Thanks, Lynne. That will make it much easier--there's a lot of occurrences of 
this. I'd never noticed "Conditional Text Settings" hiding down there at the 
bottom of the Copy Special menu.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

Dumb, obvious question

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Karen L. Zorn [mailto:k.zorn at zorntech.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:55 PM
> To: Robert Shelton; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Dumb, obvious question
> 
> 
> Sorry, Bob, you can't apply conditions to character tags. 
> 8 You can find
> the character tag then manually apply the condition.
> 
> Karen L. Zorn
> Zorn Technologies, Inc.
> Mesa, AZ

Shoot. So I'm imagining that I did it before, huh? I was afraid of that.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus



> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.c
> om] On Behalf
> Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:11 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Dumb, obvious question
> 
> 
> At least I hope it is. Using Frame 7 on Windows, I want to 
> take all text
> that uses a particular character tag, make it conditional, 
> and hide it. I'm
> pretty sure I've done this before, but I can't remember, or 
> figure out, how
> to do it again.
> 
> How do I apply a condition to a character tag?
> 
> Thanks.

Dumb, obvious question

[Robert Shelton]

At least I hope it is. Using Frame 7 on Windows, I want to take all text that 
uses a particular character tag, make it conditional, and hide it. I'm pretty 
sure I've done this before, but I can't remember, or figure out, how to do it 
again.

How do I apply a condition to a character tag?

Thanks.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus

RE: Dumb, obvious question

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Lynne A. Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> At 03:55 PM 4/14/2006, Karen L. Zorn wrote:
> >Sorry, Bob, you can't apply conditions to character tags. 
> 8 You can find
> >the character tag then manually apply the condition.
> 
> Bob,
>You can also apply the condition once, use copy special to 
> copy the 
> condition to the clipboard, and then apply the condition to 
> all occurrences 
> of the character tag with a global Find/Change by pasting.
>  --Lynne

Thanks, Lynne. That will make it much easier--there's a lot of occurrences of 
this. I'd never noticed "Conditional Text Settings" hiding down there at the 
bottom of the Copy Special menu.

Bob
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RE: Dumb, obvious question

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: Karen L. Zorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:55 PM
> To: Robert Shelton; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Dumb, obvious question
> 
> 
> Sorry, Bob, you can't apply conditions to character tags. 
> 8 You can find
> the character tag then manually apply the condition.
> 
> Karen L. Zorn
> Zorn Technologies, Inc.
> Mesa, AZ

Shoot. So I'm imagining that I did it before, huh? I was afraid of that.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Bob
"Love people. Use things. Not vice-versa." -- Kelly Rothaus



> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> om] On Behalf
> Of Robert Shelton
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:11 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Dumb, obvious question
> 
> 
> At least I hope it is. Using Frame 7 on Windows, I want to 
> take all text
> that uses a particular character tag, make it conditional, 
> and hide it. I'm
> pretty sure I've done this before, but I can't remember, or 
> figure out, how
> to do it again.
> 
> How do I apply a condition to a character tag?
> 
> Thanks.
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Dumb, obvious question

[Robert Shelton]

At least I hope it is. Using Frame 7 on Windows, I want to take all text that 
uses a particular character tag, make it conditional, and hide it. I'm pretty 
sure I've done this before, but I can't remember, or figure out, how to do it 
again.

How do I apply a condition to a character tag?

Thanks.

Bob
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IETM Research Help

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+rshelton=opentext.com at lists.frameusers.com
> On Behalf Of Hales-Crotchett, Nicole

> My management has tasked me with researching IETM (software 
> and development).

OK, I'm not proud: what's IETM?

Bob
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transformation of individuals is difficult, it is the only way." -- H.H. the 
Dalai Lama

RE: IETM Research Help

[Robert Shelton]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Hales-Crotchett, Nicole

> My management has tasked me with researching IETM (software 
> and development).

OK, I'm not proud: what's IETM?

Bob
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transformation of individuals is difficult, it is the only way." -- H.H. the 
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