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I'm testing for someone else to see if I get a copy of this e-mail.

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

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Off topic from the original question, but I give two thumbs up to the book 
"Just my Type"! 

Alison

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On Behalf 
Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: March 21, 2024 7:19 PM
To: Framers ; tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] San Serif Font?

I like Eurostile a lot? (bought it from Adobe for myself decades ago and loved 
the squarish look, particularly Eurostile Wide for some uses).

Google recommends Orbitron as "similar" to Eurostile. However, I have not used 
that one yet, so please check it out yourself.

In my current company, we use fonts that are likely to be public or generally 
available, and Google fonts tend to fit that requirement well.

Some time back, our design folks chose Nunito and Montserrat from Google as our 
nominal sans serif "standards" for our template for presentation materials. I 
have not started using them yet ...

My favorite for PowerPoint decks is in the Segoe family - regular and bolded 
Segoe UI looks very elegant (to me anyway - beauty is in the eye of the 
beholder, right? ??) when presented on a screen.

Z

P.S. You probably did not realize that you opened a Pandora's box for me by 
discussing fonts! ??

I am a geek in this matter - I own a printed copy of Adobe's book of their 
fonts from some years ago, and also own these books on fonts:

https://www.amazon.com/Just-My-Type-About-Fonts/dp/1592407463/ref=sr_1_2?crid=R0NOZ8M8EM7G&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.NchNMphdD2-FiEIcjZ5Q0ozH5yBfBztwdrlben1DLTyqYBItlQ598x0ppw-Ru8NmJ0PWQBA-V_Ha7kWywC291EksvsnJUoYkL_7TiyYxClP6LSfEL5qmku8X94QxZc4QgRO-997lmWBF_KsDUSX3wUuvQtMWOTHBbBdMRvGXxm2w1dlItaZ27cDoXaaz2FvQuLcDAddYK_FLJwyNswNhnpCffz-7ZHXC8LIBT0AUXcE.XTtWJ6K5FPl2N_PD44p3lUZmsc7vynljyiy_qe7hNVI&dib_tag=se&keywords=Just+My+Type&qid=1711073475&sprefix=just+my+type%2Caps%2C238&sr=8-2

and

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Fonts-Matter-Sarah-Hyndman/dp/1584236310/ref=sr_1_2?crid=38PAKFEX3F62A&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qRAZgEPI8_lVrfYxajj7Py_9NW3q9VdRbwgIpJCaMz6NpJziCb4_thVNGzaGyNL50wo4jkanh6VWQfpLe27FBGAajIGGDmn6y0Wa0qXCScBhhGy7ZxopDAEpWlhAt2wvKKArd-TFcdRqt1fL2I2afGLxRWup7v92RhqWF8ZhCDjVXo00hL04Uo3VYMzFEE6eXZkCAPoj60b6_o69KwiUNPksZYqW4MWwax1mUUo7vhylSO__ExjE4U2wUeqmDATZSE2cydcq5Bqkc62T2zTkwJOrsgONEtPD6e4aBxGLcfs.eBIWY8LAx3FyRfvZYmM0fbu8aOrm2RgxQWgiWzYJG4M&dib_tag=se&keywords=fonts&qid=1711073562&sprefix=fonts%2Caps%2C237&sr=8-2

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Subject: [Framers] San Serif Font?

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OK all,
I am doing a major overhaul on an existing template for a client. I very much 
like the San serif fonts of Eurostile or Roboto, but I really don t want to 
break my cardinal rule of using proprietary fonts that have to be embedded in 
the final PDF. I really would like to be able to use a font that comes standard 
with windows, but which font, in your opinion, that comes standard with windows 
would be the closest to either of these two fonts?

My client saw a template that I was working on for another project and really 
commented that they liked the look of the Roboto font and then I showed him one 
with the EUROSTILE font and they like that one just as much. That said, I don t 
wanna leave my client with  having to deal with fonts in their source files.
Thanks!
Tammy

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Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question

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What about creating the next heading level *before* adding the footnotes? 
Possibly with the extra pilcrow after the table as an added buffer?



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: February 12, 2024 1:43 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Footnote question

Hi Dan,
Yeah I ve tried that too and I m just at my wit s end. After I hit a return 
from the last table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point 
and click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it s 
like the hold of the table footnote will not go away. It s like FrameMaker won 
t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. It s stuck thinking 
everything that follows should be kept with the table footnotes

I ve given up for now and have just manually numbered the footnotes because 
there s only four of them and there s no expectation that they ll change at 
all. However, I still would like to know why after a table footnote when you 
hit return, and then try to point and click and setting new tag at the pilcrow, 
Framemaker isn t recognizing the new tag s properties. It appears to stay stuck 
in table footnote mode.

Thank you!

TVB


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> On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Harding, Dan  wrote:
> 
> ?Poor man's workaround: what about putting an empty paragraph after the final 
> footnote and THEN the paragraph style that is tagged to start a new page? 
> Whatever is clinging to the final footnote may stick with the empty paragraph 
> rather than the paragraph starting the next page.
> 
> Not elegant, I realize, but...
> 
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Re: [Framers] Single quotation mark in French

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Wow! That's a stupid idea. Hopefully, it's a bug not a feature and will soon
be fixed.

Alison

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Sent: February 1, 2024 12:53 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Single quotation mark in French

Hi everyone,

Who at Adobe suddenly thought it was a good idea to automatically add a hard
space before a single quotation mark in French, in Framemaker 2022?
Anyone knows how to turn this off?

Merci pour l 'aide (intended)

Best regards,
Tom

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[Framers] Track Changes has stopped working

[acraig]

I'm posting this for my contractor.

And note that sometimes something he tries works for a bit, then it stops
working.

 

Track Changes has stopped working. 

At the start of the project, it was working great...and then it wasn't. I
can only assume I have somehow blocked the process.

I have tried to Enable Track Changes in my document and the Bookfile from
the Edit menu as well as using the Toolbar functions. The only action I can
make is to click OK on a pop message that says "Finished Enable Track Text
Edit in Book" but the Enable feature still remains selectable.

I have attempted to resolve this issue by performing the following steps:

*   Saving as a Mif
*   Update the Bookfile
*   Installed the latest Updates
*   Closed out of FrameMaker

However, none of these steps have worked. 

I am currently using FrameMaker version 17.0.3.546

on a 64-bit OS 

Running Windows 11 Home edition

 

 

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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

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I've "self-documented" inside Word templates - which other people use.

However, no one else in the company (or at least in my division) uses Frame
so that's not an issue-except when I have a contractor, as I have right now.

But it's worth considering, thanks. 

Alison


-Original Message-
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Sent: December 14, 2023 8:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Hello Alison,

Since anything can happen in a FrameMaker file that is out there in use, I
always document my templates by writing a style guide in that template going
through all the various tags, and other settings that make up a FrameMaker
file. By keeping that information in the template you prevent redefinition
of elements in one book/file from being mistaken for the sanctioned
settings. It also allows importing of the definitions of any of the elements
from the template when you have to bring a book/file back into compliance
with a template.

This worked well when have 50+ engineers working in the individual files
that make up a book, some of whom are only casually interested in not using
the Word format-as-you-go method of working.

In my opinion, any FrameMaker template should self document in this way so
that one knows the rules one is working with.

Those are my 2 cents worth.

Craig Ede


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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:17 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.



Alison

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Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

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Unfortunately, due to the security precautions that our company takes, third
party apps can take months to be approved - it they are approved at all.

I do have the Silicon Prairie tools, so I'll have to explore them in depth.
I only took a quick glance and didn't see what I was looking for - I didn't
read all the instructions (as I should have).

The MIF method looks workable if a little cumbersome. 

Thanks for the ideas.

Alison 


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Sent: December 14, 2023 7:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Just an additional comment on my earlier Format List from squidds.de
post: I'm using an older version of FM, so haven't bought this utility for a
while. But I seem to recall that, since I last purchased, they changed their
license from a one-time purchase to requiring an upgrade with every FM
upgrade. So you might want to check that out and consider it before any
purchase.

Mike Wickham

On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties 
> directly from a Frame file?
>
> As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, 
> but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local 
> tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags 
> for a style guide.
>
> If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't 
> pretty, that would be great.
>
>   
>
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[Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[acraig]

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"

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I've been using the FRAME > PDF > WORD option a lot lately (50-150 page docs) 
so the engineers can do their editing and commenting in the Word doc.

But I always preface my explanation to them with the caveat... "this creates an 
incredibly ugly Word file".

If you do the test run on 20 pages or so (pick complex pages) and do a truly 
honest quote, I can't imagine why the client would want to continue.

But " drink heavily and then run away" is a really good option as well. :-)

Alison 


-Original Message-
From: Framers  On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: December 13, 2023 7:51 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word 
document"

Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was 
99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my 
client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go 
down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my 
original solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. 

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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> Of Dennis Hays
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to 
> a word document"
> 
> 
>That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file
>containing multiple .fm files?
>Dennis
> 
>--
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> 
>On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk>
>wrote:
>I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf
>to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than
>print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards
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Re: [Framers] Batch conversion from Frame 2022 *down* to Frame 2020?

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Thanks


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Batch conversion from Frame 2022 *down* to Frame
2020?

Hi Alison,

See my ConvertDocs script at www.frameexpert.com/store.

Rick

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Subject: [Framers] Batch conversion from Frame 2022 *down* to Frame 2020?

>From the latest Frame manual I see that you can use the MifWash utility to
batch convert older Frame files to a newer version, but can you do the
opposite?

 

I need to have my remote contractor convert a Frame book from 2022 down to
2020 and I'm trying to find the easiest way to do that. 

 

There are only about 34 files, but that would be a royal pain to do
one-by-one.

 

And no, I can't update to the Frame latest version. We have heavy security
protocols in place so Frame is only updated once every 2 years (2024 is the
next time we'll update across the company).

 

Alison 

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[Framers] Batch conversion from Frame 2022 *down* to Frame 2020?

[acraig]

>From the latest Frame manual I see that you can use the MifWash utility to
batch convert older Frame files to a newer version, but can you do the
opposite?

 

I need to have my remote contractor convert a Frame book from 2022 down to
2020 and I'm trying to find the easiest way to do that. 

 

There are only about 34 files, but that would be a royal pain to do
one-by-one.

 

And no, I can't update to the Frame latest version. We have heavy security
protocols in place so Frame is only updated once every 2 years (2024 is the
next time we'll update across the company).

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline (SOLVED)

[acraig]

Thanks, Rick and Winfried. You nailed it.

I knew I had to be missing something simple but not obvious, I just couldn't
figure out what it was.

Alison 



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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Hi Alison,

You have to set your numbering at the book component level, not the document
level. Right-click on the components and set the numbering there and then
update the book.

Rick

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software.' 
Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

That's not what I have in my other books, so no. I didn't try that.

Now that I have tried it, that sets the page number to A, not the heading
number.

But thanks, Alison 



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Sent: November 19, 2023 2:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Alison - When you select Format > Document > Numbering for Appendix A within
the book, have you selected the Page tab and made sure It says First Page #:
1 and Format ALPHABETIC A?


 

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.

I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.

I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.

Any suggestions?

Alison

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Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[acraig]

That's not what I have in my other books, so no. I didn't try that.

Now that I have tried it, that sets the page number to A, not the heading
number.

But thanks, Alison 



-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Thomas Bain
Sent: November 19, 2023 2:45 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'

Subject: Re: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Alison - When you select Format > Document > Numbering for Appendix A within
the book, have you selected the Page tab and made sure It says First Page #:
1 and Format ALPHABETIC A?


 

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2023 16:56
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.

I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.

I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.

Any suggestions?

Alison

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[Framers] HELP: Appendix Numbering Issue on Deadline

[acraig]

Frame 2020, Version: 16.0.5.1096

Windows 10

I'm having issues with the appendices in a book. No matter what I do, they
keep reverting from Appendix A and Appendix B, to Appendix 8 and Appendix 9.



I've tried configuring Format > Document > Numbering so it matches exactly
with a book where the numbering works perfectly, but when I Update Book, the
appendices revert to numbers.



I have to publish this book tomorrow (Monday, November 20) and I'm tearing
my hair out here.



Any suggestions?



Alison 

 

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[Framers] OT: Job Opportunity

[acraig]

My company is looking for a 6 month, remote contractor at the intermediate
to senior level..

 

You can find the job description here:
https://greenlightinnovation.betterteam.com/technical-writer-temporary 

 

If you have any questions, contact me off-list: acr...@shaw.ca
  

 

Alison 

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[Framers] FrameMaker Feature Request (Conditional Text): Please review and comment/vote

[acraig]

I just added a FrameMaker Feature Request on Adobe's site regarding
Conditional text (adding colours to pilcrows and manual line breaks).

Please have a look and vote for it if you think it's a good idea.

Thanks, Alison 

 

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-13548 

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[Framers] Annoying Built-in Conditions

[acraig]

Win 10

Unstructured Frame Subscription (16.0.5.1096)

NOTE: for security purposes, our subscription is frozen at this level and
will not be updated until next year. That means the permanent fix
implemented in September 2022 is not yet available to me. 

 

I've been trying to remove the following built-in Conditions from the
Conditions Tag list:

- FM_PDF_Comments_Highlight

- FM_PDF_Comments_Underline

 

I found this (now fixed) issue in an Adobe Community posting
(https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9622). 

 

In the request, Jeff says he has moved these annoying conditions to "hidden"
but I can't figure out how to do that.

 

Any suggestions? 

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue

[acraig]

I knew there was a  way  to do it!

 

I'll fix things on Monday - tomorrow I have to complete a different project.

 

From: Alan Houser  
Sent: March 30, 2023 6:09 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Cc: acr...@shaw.ca
Subject: Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue

 

Alison,

 

The fix is fairly simple. You basically need to specify two counters in your
numbered list formats; one for each list level.

 

The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering

setups:

 

.\t

This should be < =0>.\t (set the top-level list number to "1"; reset
but do not print the second-level list number.)

 

.\t

You actually don't need this format. Each top-level list will resent the
counter for the second-level list. If you did keep this format, it would be
< >.\t

 

 

 

Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following

auto-numbering setups:

 

.\t

This should be < =0>.\t (increment the first-level list number; reset
but do not print the second-level list number)

 

.\t

This should be < >\t (maintain, but do not print, the first-level list
number. Increment the second-level list).

 

Once set up, FrameMaker's list numbering is rock-solid and reliable.

 

Hope this helps!

 

-Alan

-- 
Alan Houser
Group Wellesley, Inc.
Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing
arh on Twitter
412-450-0532

 

 





On Mar 30, 2023, at 7:28 PM, acr...@shaw.ca   wrote:

 

Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company
doesn't allow updates as they are released).





I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out.



I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha
sub-list under one of the instructions.



When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered
instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet,
not the previous numbered instruction.



For example:



1. 

2. 

3. 

a)

b)

c)

d)

5. 



Where "5" should actually be "4".



The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering
setups:

.\t

.\t



Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following
auto-numbering setups:

.\t

.\t



What am I doing wrong?



Alison

 

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[Framers] Numbered List Issue

[acraig]

Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company
doesn't allow updates as they are released).

 

 

I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out.

 

I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha
sub-list under one of the instructions.

 

When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered
instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet,
not the previous numbered instruction.

 

For example:

 

1. 

2. 

3. 

 a)

 b)

 c)

 d)

5. 

 

Where "5" should actually be "4".

 

The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering
setups:

.\t

.\t

 

Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following
auto-numbering setups:

.\t

.\t

 

What am I doing wrong?

 

Alison

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Re: [Framers] Variable Preferences - custome colurs available?

[acraig]

Hi Sue:

I can't shed any light on the feature's operation, but I would like to ask
where I can find this option within the program. 

(I was the one who entered the feature request into Adobe's system and was
kept updated as it progressed through the development phase - but I've never
been able to find it, or find something on the web to explain it to me so I
can actually use the feature).

Alison 


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Variable Preferences - custome colurs available?

Hi folks

I am using the new feature for highlighting variables but I would like to
define custom colours because the options provided obscure the content of
the variable. Does anyone know of a way to add custom colours (or reduce the
opacity) to the list?

Sue

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Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...

[acraig]

I'm guessing they're just jumping on the gouging-under-the-guise-of-inflation 
bandwagon.

Alison


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Of Scott Prentice
Sent: January 12, 2023 6:12 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...

It doesn t help things when the subscription price of FM goes up by 30% .. and 
TCS up 40%!  I did hear that Flare jumped 50% though, so apparently it s a 
trend? Sounds to me like they are getting a bit desperate, no?

...scott

Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. 

> On Jan 12, 2023, at 2:04 PM, Keith Soltys  wrote:
> 
> ?I think you are right, Tammy. FrameMaker is an old-school product and Adobe 
> doesn't seem to be doing much to promote or improve it. I watched the webinar 
> for the new release a few months ago and I was distinctly underwhelmed. 
> That's not going to bring new users to the list.
> 
> In my own case, I was laid off (with some rejoicing) in late 2018. I thought 
> I might try to land some short-term work, but then various life events and 
> the pandemic hit, and I now consider myself retired. I am not sure why I'm 
> still subscribed here since I don't have a personal copy of Frame but I do 
> occasionally look in to see what's going. I should look at my archived 
> material from work to see if I could repurpose any of it into a blog post, 
> but the last version of Frame I used was FrameMaker 2010, there's probably 
> not much point.
> 
> It was fun while it lasted though.
> 
> Regards
> Keith
> 
>> On 1/12/2023 11:47 AM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
>> I don't think it's a List issue. It's just that the vast majority of users 
>> on the list are getting long in the tooth (if they haven't already retired), 
>> so list traffic has dropped exponentially. Makes me feel a tad lonely and 
>> sad after being an active member for almost 25 years!! The names that still 
>> ring in my head that were once so very active on the list . . .
>> 
>> I do know that if you post a question, there's a stalwart group of us left 
>> (Alison, Mike,  Peter Gold, Fred Ridder, Lin Sims, me, Rick and several 
>> others) who will always answer.
>> 
>> I do agree with Craig - us few survivors are darn near experts at this point 
>> (save the one or two Whiskey/Tango/Foxtrot  moments that Frame can still 
>> provide) and the position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn't 
>> support its fervent use any more. I am just glad that I will be fully 
>> retired before I witness it's death.
>> 
>> Here's to a happy and healthy 2023 for all of us.
>> 
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com 
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[acraig]

In this particular case, the parent company simply has really high security 
fences, and as a "privacy wacko" - per my spouse :-) - I am on board with that.

But yes, I will keep plugging away get permission to spend less that $100 to 
automate and/or speed up some tasks (it's especially important for me as I am a 
lone writer).

Alison 


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From: Framers  On Behalf 
Of Peter Gold
Sent: August 11, 2022 11:37 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Hi, Alison!

One argument that might work with the PTB to incentivize the IT approval is to 
compare the cost of your manual find/replace operation (your time, the delay in 
the whole operation it s part of, etc,) to the few moments it would take to run 
the Paragraph Tools. What manager wants to be responsible for increasing cost 
and delay, when they could be garnering praise for improving ROI?  :)

When I first started working at a large company that wrote its docs in unix 
text editors like vi, and published in customized xroff, one of the core tech 
pubs teammates wrote unix scripts that massaged the files. They used a variety 
of native unix utilities and pipelined their outputs to bash the content into 
shape. Yes, there was development time, but the rest of the team only needed to 
type the command, and that effort paid back by doing the work almost instantly.

If there s no other way to get some processing without a tool you now have and 
can t install, perhaps you can interest a colleague who loves coding challenges 
to use Windows batch file (or Mac Terminal) command line tools to perform 
operations on MIF files. Technically, creating a script this way isn t adding 
anything to the system. After testing, it's just automating manual stuff that 
humans might make mistakes when repeating.

Corporate power has some good aspects, but stifling productivity isn t one.
Often sticking with tradition hides the fact that resisting change is costly.

Cheers!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:52 AM  wrote:

> Hi Peter:
>
> Thanks. I'm still waiting for permission from HQ IT Security to buy 
> and install a set of Silicon Prairie tools. They have to evaluate 
> everything before I can install anything. (The guy who runs SP even 
> provided me with a statement about how his programs work.)
>
> I think I've been waiting for 18 months at this point... :-(((
>
> But thanks for the reminder, I'll send our local IT Admin another note 
> asking him to follow up with HQ IT.
>
> Alison
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  On 
> Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: August 10, 2022 5:57 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM 
> Book
>
> For the future, silicon prairie software paragraph tools IIRC can do 
> this kind of fine-tuning. Also, creating and importing a skeleton MIF 
> file with only the settings you want can do it.
>
> OTOH, bruises earned but doing real grunt work in the trenches give 
> one the best confidence. :) Congrats!
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, 6:54 PM  wrote:
>
> > Yes it is.
> >
> > I just went into every MIF file and did a search and replace on the 
> > language
> > - a real pain as there were so many files, but it's done.
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  
> > On Behalf Of Craig Ede
> > Sent: August 10, 2022 4:30 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM 
> > Book
> >
> > Isn't the language setting part of the paragraph tag definition?
> >
> > I'll go look, but that's what I recall. Where is the language 
> > setting you are seeing defined?
> >
> > Craig Ede
> > 
> > From: Framers
> > 
> > on
> > behalf of Craig, Alison GLI/CA 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:52 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM 
> > Book
> >
> > Hi Craig:
> >
> > Importing the tags would simply import fresh para tags with the 
> > language still set to English.
> >
> > I want to change the language to German - hopefully in some kind of 
> > batch process.
> >
> > Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something in your explanation.
> >
> > Can I do this in this in the MIF files with Search and Replace?
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> >  > m>
> > On Behalf Of Craig Ede
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 2:44 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a 
> > Translated FM Book
> >
> > !---|
> >   This message is from an external sender
> >   This email originated from outside of

Re: [Framers] Playing chin music WAS: Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[acraig]

I just assumed "creo" was some kind of coding word I'd never heard of
before! ;-))

Alison 


-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: August 11, 2022 10:36 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Playing chin music WAS: Updating Para Tag Language in
a Translated FM Book

Many thanks to the ipad for changing "xref" to "creo" below. Sheesh! Apple
needs to totally revamp the iPad autocorrect. I could go on for hours on
that.
Craig

From: Framers  on
behalf of Craig Ede 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 12:32 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: [Framers] Playing chin music WAS: Updating Para Tag Language in a
Translated FM Book

I once worked (briefly) for a company that was using Fmbatch to generate
books nightly but refused to update to fmbatch 5.5 from fmbatch 5.0 for
'validation' reasons. This meant that if a book generation failed it just
failed to generate the book and PDF and posted an error, usually an
unresolved creo. They were using more a more advanced version of FM on both
Windows and SUN machines and the repositories were MIFs (thus no problem
opening the files from a more advanced version). Fmbatch 5.5 would generate
the books, even if there was an error (-noerror option if I recall). Once I
got them to switch over we could reliably generate nightly PDFs and the
number of pdf working copies we generated nightly allowed the engineering
teams to have "current state" docs to work with. Not sure how they handled
the validation, but it was definitely worth it as we were quickly playing
BACH nightly for hours at a time.

Craig Ede

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Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

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Hi Peter:

Thanks. I'm still waiting for permission from HQ IT Security to buy and
install a set of Silicon Prairie tools. They have to evaluate everything
before I can install anything. (The guy who runs SP even provided me with a
statement about how his programs work.)

I think I've been waiting for 18 months at this point... :-(((

But thanks for the reminder, I'll send our local IT Admin another note
asking him to follow up with HQ IT.

Alison 



-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

For the future, silicon prairie software paragraph tools IIRC can do this
kind of fine-tuning. Also, creating and importing a skeleton MIF file with
only the settings you want can do it.

OTOH, bruises earned but doing real grunt work in the trenches give one the
best confidence. :) Congrats!

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, 6:54 PM  wrote:

> Yes it is.
>
> I just went into every MIF file and did a search and replace on the 
> language
> - a real pain as there were so many files, but it's done.
>
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
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>
> Isn't the language setting part of the paragraph tag definition?
>
> I'll go look, but that's what I recall. Where is the language setting 
> you are seeing defined?
>
> Craig Ede
> 
> From: Framers 
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> on
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>
> Hi Craig:
>
> Importing the tags would simply import fresh para tags with the 
> language still set to English.
>
> I want to change the language to German - hopefully in some kind of 
> batch process.
>
> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something in your explanation.
>
> Can I do this in this in the MIF files with Search and Replace?
>
> Alison
>
>
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> Alison Craig,
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> You could import the tags from the original template (leaving 
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work.
>
> If no "clean template" for the book exists, I would create one to have 
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> Win 10 Pro, FM 2020
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> I've just received my MIF files back from the translators (English to
> German) and all the Para Tag formats still have English (Canada) set 
> as the Language.
>
> Is there a simple way to reset them all to German  - Germany (2006
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Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[acraig]

Yes it is. 

I just went into every MIF file and did a search and replace on the language
- a real pain as there were so many files, but it's done.

Alison 


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Sent: August 10, 2022 4:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Isn't the language setting part of the paragraph tag definition?

I'll go look, but that's what I recall. Where is the language setting you
are seeing defined?

Craig Ede

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Hi Craig:

Importing the tags would simply import fresh para tags with the language
still set to English.

I want to change the language to German - hopefully in some kind of batch
process.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something in your explanation.

Can I do this in this in the MIF files with Search and Replace?

Alison


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Alison Craig,

You could import the tags from the original template (leaving overrides in
place if you use them). If the English is part of the stand definition in
the returned files (and not an override) that should work.

If no "clean template" for the book exists, I would create one to have ready
for this sort of contingency.

Craig Ede


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Subject: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Win 10 Pro, FM 2020

I've just received my MIF files back from the translators (English to
German) and all the Para Tag formats still have English (Canada) set as the
Language.

Is there a simple way to reset them all to German  - Germany (2006 Reform)?

Alison

Alison Craig
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[Framers] Save as MIF

[acraig]

Does Frame (subscription version) include a batch method to save all files
in a book to MIF?

 

I couldn't find anything in the manual and none of the included scripts
appear suitable (based on the limited info given by folder names).

 

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Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

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Thanks Tammy!



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Subject: Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

Hi Alison,

Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message
marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer Support
Inquiry

TVB



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> This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail
> link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject 
> line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I 
> am
inviting
> people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about the 
> documentation).
> 
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> 
> Can you do this Frame? If so how?
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[Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link

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This may not be possible in Frame (2020), but in Word I can include an
e-mail link and format it such that when the new e-mail opens, the Subject
line includes what I want (in this case, the word "Documentation" as I am
inviting people to ask questions or provide feedback and suggestions about
the documentation).

 

Can you do this Frame? If so how? 

 

If it's covered in the manual, they've hidden it well.

 

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Re: [Framers] Question about FrameMaker subscription less than a full year

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 10:06:41 -0800

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

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Thanks - #2 just might be why I get crashes as my files are on a network.

Have you ever worked out what constitutes a "slow" response? 

 

Currently I am working at home and remoting in to the server with Citrix. 

 

Previous pandemic configurations used different software to work remotely
and were much more unstable (I think I've only lost my Citrix connection
once over the past few months, as opposed to once?or even 5?times a day). I
wasn't working much with Frame then, though, so I don't have any "data" to
compare to my current crashes. 

 

Alison 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

 

Hello,

 

In all the years I have been using FrameMaker, I have only ever experienced
files that couldn't be opened in the following cases:

 

1 - files saved on USB drives, and Windows deciding to save energy putting
computer to sleep

2 - files saved on network locations

3 - files located on a failing drive

 

#1 was very irritating.  A combination of Windows 10 and HP hardware
actually corrupted not just FrameMaker documents, but also other files -

with no identifiable pattern to it.   As a result, I avoid using USB drives

for everyday working.

 

#2 has been frustrating.  If the network drive, or the network connection
speed is slow, I've experienced FrameMaker crashing when attempting to
update books, or worse, when attempting to access referenced PDF files.

 

#3 was experienced by our FM trainer who thought his computer had caught a
virus.  I diagnosed [using "CrystalDiskPortable"] the hard drive was in fact

failing to read and write files ... occasionally!After using the Linux

utility ddrescue, I was able to retrieve 99.99% of his files.

 

If I remember correctly, FrameMaker files are always written out in
multiples of 1024 bytes [1kb].

 

If I'm working on a big project, I get in to the habit of using a frequent
backup strategy to store FM and other documents in a ZIP archive file with a
timestamp reference.  Just in case.

 

I hope this helps.

/// Simon BUCH

 

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Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

[acraig]

Thanks - #2 just might be why I get crashes as my files are on a network. Have 
you ever worked out what constitutes a "slow" response? 

Currently I am working at home and remoting in to the server with Citrix. 

Previous pandemic configurations used different software to work remotely and 
were much more unstable (I think I've only lost my Citrix connection once over 
the past few months, as opposed to once—or even 5—times a day). I wasn't 
working much with Frame then, though, so I don't have any "data" to compare to 
my current crashes. 

Alison 



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Of Simon Buch
Sent: February 23, 2022 5:29 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins

Hello,

In all the years I have been using FrameMaker, I have only ever experienced 
files that couldn't be opened in the following cases:

1 - files saved on USB drives, and Windows deciding to save energy putting 
computer to sleep
2 - files saved on network locations
3 - files located on a failing drive

#1 was very irritating.  A combination of Windows 10 and HP hardware actually 
corrupted not just FrameMaker documents, but also other files - with no 
identifiable pattern to it.   As a result, I avoid using USB drives for 
everyday working.

#2 has been frustrating.  If the network drive, or the network connection speed 
is slow, I've experienced FrameMaker crashing when attempting to update books, 
or worse, when attempting to access referenced PDF files.

#3 was experienced by our FM trainer who thought his computer had caught a 
virus.  I diagnosed [using "CrystalDiskPortable"] the hard drive was in fact 
failing to read and write files ... occasionally!After using the Linux 
utility ddrescue, I was able to retrieve 99.99% of his files.

If I remember correctly, FrameMaker files are always written out in multiples 
of 1024 bytes [1kb].

If I'm working on a big project, I get in to the habit of using a frequent 
backup strategy to store FM and other documents in a ZIP archive file with a 
timestamp reference.  Just in case.

I hope this helps.
/// Simon BUCH

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Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

[acraig]

I'm working with the latest monthly licence version of Frame at work. 

My system significantly beats all the Adobe requirements and I *still* get 
several crashes a week - even though I'm working with small books or single 
files (which I've taken to doing to protect the integrity of the book).

Please note that as I also work with MS Word, restarting my system at least 
twice, if not 3 or 4 times a day is integral to my "work methodology".

Yet Frame still crashes. Regularly.

Alison 



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Sent: February 20, 2022 11:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

Hi Betrand,

Sorry to hear this.
However:
o From your other thread I understand that you used and old version.
 Newer versions are definitely more stable.
o My experience is that Adobe is more responsive than some years ago.
  The support e-mail address is: mailto:tcs...@adobe.com
  When you have an issue (e.g. with recovery files), then also post it on the 
Adobe forum.
  There are a few Adobe employees who follow the discussions.
  Your issue might get more attention.
  And post your issue on the Adobe Tracker:
  https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home

Best regards

Winfried

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Cc: mailto:me...@inf.ethz.ch
Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

This is an old thread but here is a comment. I fundamentally rely on FrameMaker 
and would never "bash" it. On the other hand, right now at the end of a 
two-year book-writing process, with the camera-ready due on Monday, I got a 
crash this afternoon. Not the first -- in my experience, if I am working on a 
book a FrameMaker session does not last more than three or four days before it 
vanishes  --  but possibly the worst ever. The supposed recovery files were 
corrupted; just to restart from the backup to a stable state took almost two 
hours. I do back up obsessively (as I have been burned many times before), but 
still. And when you are in delicate fine-tuning, typo-fixing and final indexing 
mode, working over several chapters at once, going through every recent change 
to see which were kept and which were lost, is a nightmare. 

One might imagine that by this time they would have either fixed the crashes or 
devised a decent recovery mechanism.

There is still nothing that measures up to FrameMaker for writing books with a 
sophisticated structure, but if it did respect the integrity of customers' work 
that wouldn't hurt.

-- Bertrand Meyer

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Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:00
To: Framers List 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

I don't know why everyone likes bashing FrameMaker.

Is there anything else that:
  Is suitable for long books.
  Gives you PDF output as is appears while you are working (WYSIWYG).
  Can be converted to online help, (even if it requires buying an extra 
program).

FM happens to have online help conversion built-in, but I could live without 
that if that was another decent authoring tool that worked together with 
another decently priced conversion tool.

Word comes close to checking all those boxes, but has problems with large files 
and other issues.

Someone mention another page layout program recently, but I forgot what it was. 
Maybe it was Xara Page & Layout Designer. But can it do online help at all?

Please post if you know of another authoring tool that is excellent for PDFs 
and can be used for online help.

My biggest gripe with FM is the price, but you know what, you really don't need 
to buy every new version that comes out. Do you buy every new smartphone that 
comes out, or wait until you need a new phone? Anyone under 20 is excluded from 
answering that question :)

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133 

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[Framers] Frame Won't Keep Color Settings for Track Text Edits

[acraig]

Win 10, Frame 2020 (16.0.2.916)

 

 

This worked fine until this morning.

 

 

For some reason, Frame has lost the configured Color settings for Track Text
Edits.

 

Yesterday, I sent off a single file from a book attached to an e-mail, and
if I open that specific file from the e-mail, the settings are correct.

 

But when I open the PS version of the file through its Book, as well as
files in another Book, they, and all other files in both Books have Added
Text and Deleted Text reset to "as is" (Edit >Track Text Edits > Configure
Color).

 

When I reset the fields to Red and Green, the settings don't take.

 

The only thing I can think of is that something went wrong this morning when
I copied Conditional formats from a file in one of the Books to all the
files in the other Book. I've tried a third Book that wasn't part of the
copy and it still has the correct Track Text Edit settings. 

 

I even tried copying Conditional text setting from one file of the good
Book, to one of the affected Books. The files in the good Book remained fine
and the files in the other Book still have incorrect Track Text Edit
settings.

 

I can't do any work in FrameMaker until this setting is back on track- does
anyone have any suggestions?

 

Alison 

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Re: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?

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Hi Dan:

In his retirement, my husband Don has taken up a third career as an indexer
- and no, I'm not trying to sell you his services. ;-)

He recently completed a Word project with 250,000 indexable words (39
articles for a publication on the Anthropology of Technology) and for that
he used an SaaS product called "Index Manager" (link is below with the info
he forwarded to me). He says the company that makes the product supports
Structured Frame - although I don't have any details about what that
entails.

As an SaaS product, Don signed up for only one quarter as most jobs allow
him to use another product that works with print-ready PDFs from the
publisher. If he needs it again, he'll sign up again.

He says that you could definitely work on a chapter-by-chapter basis then
stitch it all together at the end to create a single index (again, I don't
have details on how that's done).

And yes, the program inserts Word index markers into the Word file even
though you work in the SaaS software.


+
Embedded Indexing Links

"Index Manager": https://index-manager.net/en/home/?v=3e8d115eb4b3  

It has a bit of a learning curve, especially for advanced features. The
company is very responsive and helpful with any problems.

Lots of people also use one of the following.

"DexEmbed": I believe this is a 32-bit program,
https://www.editorium.com/dexembed.htm  

"WordEmbed": https://jalamb.com/

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If you have any specific questions, contact me offline and I'll let him
reply.

Alison
acr...@shaw.ca 


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-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: December 31, 2021 10:45 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?

Good afternoon,

First a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list!

By way of background:

I have been typesetting an annual textbook in FrameMaker for the last 15+
years. I retired at the end of September, but that's not the cause of my
inquiry. I will be continuing to do the same work moving forward on a
seasonal freelance basis. No, the changes are to other positions in the
editorial workflow and a necessary streamlining of the processes involved.

The book that is produced, while existing in PDF formats for electronic
access by course attendees, is still primarily a printed work. We've had
internal discussions regarding discontinuing the traditional index given the
labor involved, given that people typically use Ctrl-f in the PDFs, however
this is of no use to a person who only has the printed book. Even if there
is no contextual index with content organized into entries, sub-entries,
etc. (we've typically gone 3-4 levels deep), IMO there needs to at least be
an alphabetical list of major terms/concepts with corresponding page
numbers, i.e., a "poor-man's index."

Historically, the insertion of index markers has been done in Microsoft Word
after the technical and stylistic editing is done, immediately prior to
import into Frame, with further refinement and reconciliation all done
within Frame. This insertion of index markers has been a manual process, but
the position doing this work is being eliminated, and the SMEs and editors
do not have the time in the process (or expertise) to take on this process.
Outsourcing is not an option, given the idiosyncratic industry jargon that
is used; any general indexing service or freelancer wouldn't have the
background in our specific industry to be able to effectively index the
material. We've tried using external services to do this in the past and it
failed dismally due to the lack of context by the party(ies) doing the
indexing. There won't be time or resources to take on a learning curve once
we're in the midst of production or to vet the work at that point.

I realize full well that there is an art/skill to creating an effective
index. I'm not arguing that. However, for expediency moving forward this
manual process needs to be eliminated, so I am looking for alternative
automated solutions that will get us part of the way there.

The chapters are produced at different times over a 6-month period, with
initial index entry reconciliation work starting at approximately the 4
month mark, and the majority of the reconciliation work being done at the
very tail end of the production process immediately prior to going to press
(so very small window to complete the final work in Frame).

So I am looking for suggestions for either of the following:

1. Microsoft Word-based methods or plugins that will create a
keyword/key-term list and insert index markers that will then flow through
into FrameMaker upon import. It needs to create and insert the Word index
markers; it cannot be a manual insertion process once a list is created.

2. Script/plugin for FrameMaker that does the same after the Word content is
imported. Again, it needs to be an automat