RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Laura, I've had the same issue. I've experimented quite a bit with this.

What I eventually found worked best, was to create a PDF of the manual with the 
required conditions showing. In Acrobat, I then use Export Word document or 
Export RTF.

It's still messy I have to admit - you may need to do a quick edit of the 
resulting Word files to tidy them up, but it's what I now do.

Depends really if the customer wants just the text or if they want a nice 
version.

Hope this helps
Laura

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Sent: 05 December 2011 23:18
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

Thanks for all of your suggestions. 
 
For those who were curious, the reason I was asked to do this is that the 
company who owns the manuals sometimes sells their product under a rebranding 
agreement, and smaller companies do not have the justification to use Frame. 
I'm not too worried about anyone else taking over that manual set. The company 
has been a client for a number of years and they keep pushing work my way. And, 
their customer was warned that the Word output wasn't going to look too pretty. 
;-)
 
In terms of the export itself, the actual exporting to .rtf files wasn't a big 
deal for those chapters that were mostly straight text. However, there were 
plenty of tables and screen captures, which initially bloated up the manual to 
640MB. Using Acrobat Pro to save as word files seriously messed up the 
formatting in places, so I ended up using a combination of the two methods for 
individual chapters.
 
As for the .mif export, that didn't seem to eliminate the conditional text that 
I was trying to exclude. Maybe I just didn't know enough about how to do that. 
Next time I'll try Mif2go.

Thanks again!
-Laura


 
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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Laura, I've had the same issue. I've experimented quite a bit with this.

What I eventually found worked best, was to create a PDF of the manual with the 
required conditions showing. In Acrobat, I then use Export> Word document or 
Export> RTF.

It's still messy I have to admit - you may need to do a quick edit of the 
resulting Word files to tidy them up, but it's what I now do.

Depends really if the customer wants just the text or if they want a "nice" 
version.

Hope this helps
Laura

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: 05 December 2011 23:18
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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[Laura Larson]

Thanks for all of your suggestions. 

For those who were curious, the reason I was asked to do this is that the 
company who owns the manuals sometimes sells their product under a rebranding 
agreement, and smaller companies do not have the justification to use Frame. 
I'm not too worried about anyone else taking over that manual set. The company 
has been a client for a number of years and they keep pushing work my way. And, 
their customer was warned that the Word output wasn't going to look too pretty. 
;-)

In terms of the export itself, the actual exporting to .rtf files wasn't a big 
deal for those chapters that were mostly straight text. However, there were 
plenty of tables and screen captures, which initially bloated up the manual to 
640MB. Using Acrobat Pro to save as word files seriously messed up the 
formatting in places, so I ended up using a combination of the two methods for 
individual chapters.

As for the .mif export, that didn't seem to eliminate the conditional text that 
I was trying to exclude. Maybe I just didn't know enough about how to do that. 
Next time I'll try Mif2go.

Thanks again!
-Laura




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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.
 
My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version. 
 
There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?
 
Thanks in advance!
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RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Jeff Coatsworth]

What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Hi Laura,Make a copy of the files.Then, in the copy delete the conditions that you do NOT want shown in the output. When you delete a condition, you are given the option to make the text unconditional or to delete it. You'll want to delete it. After you do that, save the file out to RTF.Regards,Sarah O'Keefe
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On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf OfLaura LarsonSent:Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PMTo:framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject:Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the different variations.My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the other conditional text in the final output? Whenexporting to an .rtf file, all of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort,I had to do a Show All and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?Thanks in advance!Laura Larson___You are currently subscribed to framers asoke...@scriptorium.com.Send list messages toframers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visithttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/okeefe%40scriptorium.comSend administrative questions tolistad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/for more resources and info.___


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RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Alison Craig]

If you don't have Acrobat Pro X, there are also inexpensive converters out 
there that will convert the FM-based PDF to RTF (I use a cheap one called BCL 
easyConverter 3.0 (Word Version). I think it was $20.)

The RTF formatting is not always the best, but for the reasons I need it, it 
does the job.

Alison

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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:16 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?


From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?
I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:17 -0700 5/12/11, Laura Larson wrote:

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals.

My researches here indicate that this can be achieved by concealing the 
conditional text you don't want in the output, then saving as 'text only'. The 
bummer here though is that you will lose all formatting. (I have this save 
option in FrameMaker v 7 for Mac, but you might not.). As you have discovered, 
RTF export exports the concealed conditional text also.

...but I took a step backwards when I read the above. It might spare you a lot 
of woe if you tried to find out (quietly, if necessary) just *why* they your 
customer wants a Word copy of your work? It betokens a substantial lack of 
understanding of the difference between FrameMaker and Word.

I am reminded of a job I did a decade or so ago for an aerospace company. I ran 
a load of designs past them, but the response came back 'We'd like it in A4 and 
Word please'. When I tentatively enquired as to the reason for the latter (the 
former being inexplicable), it was 'so that our engineers can maintain the 
manuals'. I sighed and proceeded to create ten very complex user, maintenance  
and programming guides, in Word (in the process of which I discovered a whole 
new,fascinating and previously unknown Word bug, but that's another story).

Whether their engineers succeeded in 'maintaining' the manuals I don't know, 
but I doubt it, as it required a very in-depth understanding of Word.

Forgive me for rambling on.

-- 
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RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Unfortunately, after some testing some months ago, I came to the conclusion 
that the Acrobat X PDF to Word (RTF) conversion is not good for anything for 
documents with things like tables, even in the latest versions of Acrobat.

I would recommend that it is *far* better to use some other tool. For example, 
I now use PDF Converter Pro 7 from Scansoft, for example, but even this is not 
perfect. You still end up having to massage the resulting Word file to fix 
broken things, but it is much better than Acrobat X!

Z

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?


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Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?
I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Writer]

Mif2Go might do that when conditions are hidden. I'd have to play with it and get back to you.Nadine   From: Sarah O'Keefe oke...@scriptorium.com To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com Users" framers@lists.frameusers.com  Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 2:22:27 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?  Hi Laura,Make a copy of the files.Then, in the copy delete the conditions that you do NOT want shown in the output. When you delete a condition, you are given the option to make the text unconditional or to delete it. You'll want to delete it. After you do that, save the file out to RTF.Regards,Sarah O'Keefe
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On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf OfLaura LarsonSent:Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PMTo:framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject:Is it possible to export a FM file without
 including all of the conditional text?I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the different variations.My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the other conditional text in the final output? Whenexporting to an .rtf file, all of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort,I had to do a Show All and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?Thanks
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Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Writer]

Yes, it seems to work well using Mif2Go providing that the content that you don't want is hidden in the FM file before you convert.Nadine   From: Writer generic...@yahoo.ca To: Sarah O'Keefe oke...@scriptorium.com; "framers@lists.frameusers.com Users" framers@lists.frameusers.com  Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:14:42 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?  Mif2Go might do that when conditions are hidden. I'd have to play with it and get back to you.Nadine   From: Sarah O'Keefe oke...@scriptorium.com To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com Users" framers@lists.frameusers.com  Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 2:22:27 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?  Hi Laura,Make a copy of the files.Then, in the copy delete the conditions that you do NOT want shown in the output. When you delete a condition, you are given the option to make the text unconditional or to delete it. You'll want to delete it. After you do that, save the file out to RTF.Regards,Sarah O'Keefe
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On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf OfLaura LarsonSent:Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PMTo:framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject:Is it possible to export a FM file without
 including all of the conditional text?I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the different variations.My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the other conditional text in the final output? Whenexporting to an .rtf file, all of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort,I had to do a Show All and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?Thanks
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Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:17:38 -0700, Laura Larson 
l2lars...@hotmail.com wrote:

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, 
but on the trial version of 10 I noticed the same 
thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Yes, Mif2Go excludes any hidden conditional text
when it makes Word files (or any other oputput, 
like CHM).  You can further automate that by
creating a Frame template with the show/hide
conditions as you want.  Mif2Go will import 
the template without affecting your original
FM files (just affecting the MIF it uses).

Mif2Go also does a much, much better job of
RTF than Frame's native output, which is almost
worthless for docs with figs and tables, IMHO.
About half our customers get it for Word docs
alone...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Jeff Coatsworth]

What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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[Sarah O'Keefe]

Hi Laura,

Make a copy of the files.

Then, in the copy delete the conditions that you do NOT want shown in the 
output. When you delete a condition, you are given the option to make the text 
unconditional or to delete it. You'll want to delete it. After you do that, 
save the file out to RTF.

Regards,

Sarah O'Keefe

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On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:

> What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use 
> Acrobat Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Larson
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
> conditional text?
> 
> I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
> different variations.
>  
> My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way 
> to choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of 
> the other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf 
> file, all of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the 
> conditional text that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I 
> had to do a Show All and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the 
> final version.
>  
> There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
> 10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?
>  
> Thanks in advance!
> Laura Larson
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[Alison Craig]

If you don't have Acrobat Pro X, there are also inexpensive converters out 
there that will convert the FM-based PDF to RTF (I use a cheap one called BCL 
easyConverter 3.0 (Word Version). I think it was $20.)

The RTF formatting is not always the best, but for the reasons I need it, it 
does the job.

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:16 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?
I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:17 -0700 5/12/11, Laura Larson wrote:

>My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals.

My researches here indicate that this can be achieved by concealing the 
conditional text you don't want in the output, then saving as 'text only'. The 
bummer here though is that you will lose all formatting. (I have this save 
option in FrameMaker v 7 for Mac, but you might not.). As you have discovered, 
RTF export exports the concealed conditional text also.

...but I took a step backwards when I read the above. It might spare you a lot 
of woe if you tried to find out (quietly, if necessary) just *why* they your 
customer wants a Word copy of your work? It betokens a substantial lack of 
understanding of the difference between FrameMaker and Word.

I am reminded of a job I did a decade or so ago for an aerospace company. I ran 
a load of designs past them, but the response came back 'We'd like it in A4 and 
Word please'. When I tentatively enquired as to the reason for the latter (the 
former being inexplicable), it was 'so that our engineers can maintain the 
manuals'. I sighed and proceeded to create ten very complex user, maintenance  
and programming guides, in Word (in the process of which I discovered a whole 
new,fascinating and previously unknown Word bug, but that's another story).

Whether their engineers succeeded in 'maintaining' the manuals I don't know, 
but I doubt it, as it required a very in-depth understanding of Word.

Forgive me for rambling on.

-- 
Steve

Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Unfortunately, after some testing some months ago, I came to the conclusion 
that the Acrobat X PDF to Word (RTF) conversion is not good for anything for 
documents with things like tables, even in the latest versions of Acrobat.

I would recommend that it is *far* better to use some other tool. For example, 
I now use PDF Converter Pro 7 from Scansoft, for example, but even this is not 
perfect. You still end up having to massage the resulting Word file to fix 
broken things, but it is much better than Acrobat X!

Z

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:16 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?
I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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[Writer]

Mif2Go might do that when conditions are hidden. I'd have to play with it and 
get back to you.
Nadine



>
> From: Sarah O'Keefe 
>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com Users"  
>Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 2:22:27 PM
>Subject: Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
>conditional text?
> 
>
>Hi Laura,
>
>
>Make a copy of the files.
>
>
>Then, in the copy delete the conditions that you do NOT want shown in the 
>output. When you delete a condition, you are given the option to make the text 
>unconditional or to delete it. You'll want to delete it. After you do that, 
>save the file out to RTF.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Sarah O'Keefe
>
>#
>
>
>Sarah S. O'KeefePresident
>okeefe at scriptorium.comtoll free (US/Canada): 866 605 9677
>direct: +919 433 2602Skype: okeefe.scriptorium
>blog: www.scriptorium.com/blogtwitter: sarahokeefe
>
> 
>
>On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:
>
>What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use Acrobat 
>Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?
>>
>>
>>
>>From:?framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com?[mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>lists.frameusers.com]?On Behalf Of?Laura Larson
>>Sent:?Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
>>To:?framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject:?Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
>>conditional text?
>>
>>
>>I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
>>different variations.
>>?
>>My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way 
>>to choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of 
>>the other conditional text in the final output? When?exporting to an .rtf 
>>file, all of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the 
>>conditional text that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort,?I 
>>had to do a Show All and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the 
>>final version.
>>?
>>There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
>>10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?
>>?
>>Thanks in advance!
>>Laura Larson___
>>
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[Writer]

Yes, it seems to work well using Mif2Go providing that the content that you 
don't want is hidden in the FM file before you convert.

Nadine



>
> From: Writer 
>To: Sarah O'Keefe ; "framers at 
>lists.frameusers.com Users"  
>Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:14:42 PM
>Subject: Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
>conditional text?
> 
>
>Mif2Go might do that when conditions are hidden. I'd have to play with it and 
>get back to you.
>
>Nadine
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Sarah O'Keefe 
>>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com Users"  
>>Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 2:22:27 PM
>>Subject: Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
>>conditional text?
>> 
>>
>>Hi Laura,
>>
>>
>>Make a copy of the files.
>>
>>
>>Then, in the copy delete the conditions that you do NOT want shown in the 
>>output. When you delete a condition, you are given the option to make the 
>>text unconditional or to delete it. You'll want to delete it. After you do 
>>that, save the file out to RTF.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>Sarah O'Keefe
>>
>>#
>>
>>
>>Sarah S. O'KeefePresident
>>okeefe at scriptorium.comtoll free (US/Canada): 866 605 9677
>>direct: +919 433 2602Skype: okeefe.scriptorium
>>blog: www.scriptorium.com/blogtwitter: sarahokeefe
>>
>> 
>>
>>On Dec 6, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote:
>>
>>What about printing a PDF with the conditions you want shown; then use 
>>Acrobat Pro X to turn the PDF into a Word doc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From:?framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com?[mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>>lists.frameusers.com]?On Behalf Of?Laura Larson
>>>Sent:?Monday, December 05, 2011 6:18 PM
>>>To:?framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>>Subject:?Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
>>>conditional text?
>>>
>>>
>>>I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
>>>different variations.
>>>?
>>>My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way 
>>>to choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of 
>>>the other conditional text in the final output? When?exporting to an .rtf 
>>>file, all of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the 
>>>conditional text that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort,?I 
>>>had to do a Show All and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the 
>>>final version.
>>>?
>>>There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version 
>>>of 10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?
>>>?
>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>Laura Larson___
>>>
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[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:17:38 -0700, Laura Larson 
 wrote:

>There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, 
>but on the trial version of 10 I noticed the same 
>thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Yes, Mif2Go excludes any hidden conditional text
when it makes Word files (or any other oputput, 
like CHM).  You can further automate that by
creating a Frame template with the show/hide
conditions as you want.  Mif2Go will import 
the template without affecting your original
FM files (just affecting the MIF it uses).

Mif2Go also does a much, much better job of
RTF than Frame's native output, which is almost
worthless for docs with figs and tables, IMHO.
About half our customers get it for Word docs
alone...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version. 

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson  
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