RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Wouldn't it make sense that an Encapsulated PostScript element (EPS file) would not print to a non-postscript printer (except the part of it that is non-PostScript, i.e. the preview)? The benefits of producing output to a PDF from FM and then printing to your printer has been discussed many times on this list. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do otherwise (except by accident). Craig From: syed.hos...@aeris.net To: i...@mikewickham.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:57:24 -0700 Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... snipped 4. But, printing to a non-Postscript printer directly from FrameMaker is horrible.a. FrameMaker (or the printer driver?) apparently prints the TIF preview rather than rasterizing the EPS to the desired output resolution during printing. Yuck! :(...___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Hi, Craig. Yup, I agree with your observation, and do understand the oft-stated requirement to use PDF output and then print from it. :) It is just that I was not expecting the poor quality when I printed directly from FrameMaker to the printer I had access to at the time (I was at home) to see what the logo looked like. I had assumed that the EPS would be rasterized (at the resolution of the specified print quality) when printing to a non-PostScript printer. Like other programs do with vector images (Visio and Autocad are examples, but there are plenty of others), including how native drawing objects within FrameMaker are output. Although I have many years of experience using FrameMaker, this was the first time I included an EPS image into a document - normally, I just use FrameMaker's graphics tools, Visio graphics, and/or bit-map PNG files (for things like logos), etc. Learning experience for me, I guess ... Z From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:23 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... Wouldn't it make sense that an Encapsulated PostScript element (EPS file) would not print to a non-postscript printer (except the part of it that is non-PostScript, i.e. the preview)? The benefits of producing output to a PDF from FM and then printing to your printer has been discussed many times on this list. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do otherwise (except by accident). Craig From: syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net To: i...@mikewickham.commailto:i...@mikewickham.com; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:57:24 -0700 Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... snipped 4. But, printing to a non-Postscript printer directly from FrameMaker is horrible. a. FrameMaker (or the printer driver?) apparently prints the TIF preview rather than rasterizing the EPS to the desired output resolution during printing. Yuck! :( ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
A bit of a final post here for closure, and to answer Mike comments below. 1. The original EPS was indeed vector, not bitmap. 2. Agreed that the 1800 dpi PNG file was large. a. Reducing it to 300 dpi made it much smaller. b. Better yet: doing NO anti-aliasing for the PNG file made it smaller (works for graphics images with limited colors). Anyway ... my experiments using the EPS file in FrameMaker are interesting learnings for me: 1. The TIF preview shown within FrameMaker looks horrible. a. The reason the preview is horrible is that our designer had a tiny logo inside the Illustrator file. b. So, the resulting TIF preview in the EPS file has relative few pixels in it. c. To get the actual placed-size image, I had to expand the box size in FrameMaker, resulting in the horrible preview display. d. I have no idea why they built it that way - probably because EPS or AI formats are vector and it does not really matter. 2. The display in the PDF format (within Acrobat and other PDF viewers) looks excellent. 3. Printing the PDF from Acrobat (to any printer) is excellent. 4. But, printing to a non-Postscript printer directly from FrameMaker is horrible. a. FrameMaker (or the printer driver?) apparently prints the TIF preview rather than rasterizing the EPS to the desired output resolution during printing. Yuck! :( 5. I haven't tried printing to a PostScript printer (we have a Xerox color printer here though ... may try this test some day). Summary conclusion: Since I only need to output documents in PDF format (from which the printing to any printer looks excellent), I will continue to use the EPS file, as people here have recommended. However, to get around my knee-jerk grimaces when I see that horrible TIF preview in FrameMaker (even though Robert Lauriston suggested that I would get used to it :)), I had the folks enlarge the logo in Illustrator and re-do the EPS save. This time, the TIF preview within the EPS file is larger, so the screen display within FrameMaker does not look as horrible (although EPS only uses 8 bit TIF, but that is less of an issue for this logo). Thanks everybody for the comments and help (particularly Tori Muir for spending time generating PDF and EPS versions of my original file that pointed me in the direction I needed to go). Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:16 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... Still, I would find out if the original EPS is vector or bitmap. Logos are typically vector graphics. Vectors have the advantage of creating smaller files which are crisper in display and resize to any size without degradation. But a PNG might be a better choice if only publishing for viewing on Web or computer, but 1800 dpi would create an excessively huge file. Remember, too, that Acrobat will typically downsample your 1800 dpi file when distilling to PDF. It is likely to end up as 300 dpi, unless you change the settings in Distiller. Mike On 3/6/2014 7:52 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: FWIW, this is just a simple 4 color corporate logo, so I am not too worried about using PNG format. As long as it shows cleanly in the output PDF of my documents (and printed output) without color artifacts, then I am good with using a PNG. At 1800 dpi rasterization, with a 1 high logo, any jaggies are non-existent. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
FrameMaker doesn't render EPS on screen, it just blows up the thumbnail bitmap, if there is one. If there's not, you see a gray box. Size the box to the appropriate dimensions, save as PDF, and it should look fine. Or are you saying it's bad in the PDF? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Converting EPS to some other format is unnecessary and can degrade the image. You get used to FrameMaker not previewing it. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: ] I guess my only reason for making it look good in FrameMaker would be the WYSIWYG factor. J This is just for a company logo that is being updated, so not critical per se, I suppose. The graphics artist provided an EPS file - his first PNG output was anti-aliased (which he can change too, I suppose), so had fuzzy color transitions along color edges (in a logo). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is *horrible*. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that - should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that option? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Your recollection is absolutely correct regarding FrameMaker only displaying a low-res raster image for EPS graphics. And that's only if the EPS file actually contains the TIFF preview--many EPS files don't include the preview image because it is basically a waste, and in those cases you only get a gray rectangle on screen. But a better option for import (in my experience...) is PDF, which displays beautifully and prints as well as you would expect. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: syed.hos...@aeris.net CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic – with only four colors in it – (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn’t see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that – should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that “option”? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
As you have CS3, open the EPS in Illustrator and use the File Export option to save it as a PNG. Our web guy also says that in Photoshop you can use File Save for Web... then use the PNG-24 option. Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.comhttp://www.analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:05 PM To: Lin Sims; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... Your recollection is absolutely correct regarding FrameMaker only displaying a low-res raster image for EPS graphics. And that's only if the EPS file actually contains the TIFF preview--many EPS files don't include the preview image because it is basically a waste, and in those cases you only get a gray rectangle on screen. But a better option for import (in my experience...) is PDF, which displays beautifully and prints as well as you would expect. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com To: syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that - should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that option? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Thanks! I have not checked the actual PDF output yet, so I will verify that it looks okay when outputted there ... (Whine: sorta makes the concept of WYSIWYG a bit less nice - the quality of the image on the screen is cringe-worthy). Z Robert Lauriston said: FrameMaker doesn't render EPS on screen, it just blows up the thumbnail bitmap, if there is one. If there's not, you see a gray box. Size the box to the appropriate dimensions, save as PDF, and it should look fine. Or are you saying it's bad in the PDF? On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Thanks, Alison. I will try the second option you mentioned, since I only have Photoshop CS3, not the full Creative Suite. A good-quality PNG will be sufficient for my purpose - this is for an updated company logo that now need to be changed in my older FM documents. Z From: Craig, Alison [mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:58 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... As you have CS3, open the EPS in Illustrator and use the File Export option to save it as a PNG. Our web guy also says that in Photoshop you can use File Save for Web... then use the PNG-24 option. Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.comhttp://www.analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:05 PM To: Lin Sims; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... Your recollection is absolutely correct regarding FrameMaker only displaying a low-res raster image for EPS graphics. And that's only if the EPS file actually contains the TIFF preview--many EPS files don't include the preview image because it is basically a waste, and in those cases you only get a gray rectangle on screen. But a better option for import (in my experience...) is PDF, which displays beautifully and prints as well as you would expect. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com To: syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that - should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that option? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Thanks, Lin. I guess my only reason for making it look good in FrameMaker would be the WYSIWYG factor. :) This is just for a company logo that is being updated, so not critical per se, I suppose. The graphics artist provided an EPS file - his first PNG output was anti-aliased (which he can change too, I suppose), so had fuzzy color transitions along color edges (in a logo). Z From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:46 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that - should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that option? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Thanks, Fred. I will see if I can save the EPS into a PDF format - of the right size, I guess? - so that I can import it into FrameMaker. PNG would also be fine for my purpose, since it is a company logo that needs to be changed in my older documents. So, I will also try Alison's advice. Z From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:05 PM To: Lin Sims; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... Your recollection is absolutely correct regarding FrameMaker only displaying a low-res raster image for EPS graphics. And that's only if the EPS file actually contains the TIFF preview--many EPS files don't include the preview image because it is basically a waste, and in those cases you only get a gray rectangle on screen. But a better option for import (in my experience...) is PDF, which displays beautifully and prints as well as you would expect. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 15:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com To: syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com As I recall, Frame doesn't display EPS natively. Instead, it uses a TIF image which, as you noticed, is pretty horrible. When you print to PDF, however, it'll look just fine. Unless there's some overriding reason you need it to be lovely in Frame, I wouldn't worry about it. If there is, try converting to SVG, which Frame handles just fine and is also a vector format. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Hi, all. I am trying to import a graphic - with only four colors in it - (it is in EPS format) and am having some bizarre difficulties. When I view the EPS file on my Windows system using PS_view, it looks perfectly fine - even when zoomed in. However, for some reason, the file comes into FrameMaker in a tiny 103 x 50 resolution (I didn't see any option to rasterize it at a larger resolution or dpi?) and the result when zoomed up a bit, is horrible. The rasterized resampling of the few colors in the graphic results in an unusably bad quality image. If I externally rasterize the EPS into TIF using Photoshop set to NO anti-alias and with a resolution of 1800 dpi (I know this is a bit overkill, but I am trying to minimize jaggies along the curves of the graphic), it works! But the resulting TIF file is over 25 Megabytes and I would like to avoid that - should I try LZW compression when saving perhaps? Also, I am using an older version of Photoshop (CS3) for this work, and after I rasterize into Photoshop at 1800, I cannot seem to find the option to save the file in PNG format. So, am using TIF. Is there something about/in the EPS file to begin with, such that FrameMaker seems to want to rasterize it into a 103 x 50 image? Is there a way to change that option? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
If your EPS graphic is a vector drawing, I would not follow Alison's suggestion to save as a PNG bitmap. That will greatly degrade the drawing by rasterizing it. EPS handles vectors perfectly, resizing them without degradation. Of course, they still look awful inside FrameMaker-- because FM only shows you a low-res preview to save computer memory. But the vector will look perfect in PDF. Even if the viewer of the PDF zooms in, the vector will resize without degradation. Mike Wickham On 3/6/2014 4:57 PM, Craig, Alison wrote: As you have CS3, open the EPS in Illustrator and use the */File Export/* option to save it as a PNG. Our web guy also says that in Photoshop you can use */File Save for Web.../* then use the PNG-24 option. Alison ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ...
Thanks, Mike. I think that Alison was just responding to my request to understand how to save as a PNG from Photoshop. :) FWIW, this is just a simple 4 color corporate logo, so I am not too worried about using PNG format. As long as it shows cleanly in the output PDF of my documents (and printed output) without color artifacts, then I am good with using a PNG. At 1800 dpi rasterization, with a 1 high logo, any jaggies are non-existent. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 5:25 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Having problems with importing an EPS file into FrameMaker ... If your EPS graphic is a vector drawing, I would not follow Alison's suggestion to save as a PNG bitmap. That will greatly degrade the drawing by rasterizing it. EPS handles vectors perfectly, resizing them without degradation. Of course, they still look awful inside FrameMaker-- because FM only shows you a low-res preview to save computer memory. But the vector will look perfect in PDF. Even if the viewer of the PDF zooms in, the vector will resize without degradation. Mike Wickham On 3/6/2014 4:57 PM, Craig, Alison wrote: As you have CS3, open the EPS in Illustrator and use the File Export option to save it as a PNG. Our web guy also says that in Photoshop you can use File Save for Web... then use the PNG-24 option. Alison ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
