Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
I've "self-documented" inside Word templates - which other people use. However, no one else in the company (or at least in my division) uses Frame so that's not an issue-except when I have a contractor, as I have right now. But it's worth considering, thanks. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: December 14, 2023 8:53 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties Hello Alison, Since anything can happen in a FrameMaker file that is out there in use, I always document my templates by writing a style guide in that template going through all the various tags, and other settings that make up a FrameMaker file. By keeping that information in the template you prevent redefinition of elements in one book/file from being mistaken for the sanctioned settings. It also allows importing of the definitions of any of the elements from the template when you have to bring a book/file back into compliance with a template. This worked well when have 50+ engineers working in the individual files that make up a book, some of whom are only casually interested in not using the Word format-as-you-go method of working. In my opinion, any FrameMaker template should self document in this way so that one knows the rules one is working with. Those are my 2 cents worth. Craig Ede From: Framers on behalf of acr...@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:17 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties directly from a Frame file? As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style guide. If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty, that would be great. Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
Hello Alison, Since anything can happen in a FrameMaker file that is out there in use, I always document my templates by writing a style guide in that template going through all the various tags, and other settings that make up a FrameMaker file. By keeping that information in the template you prevent redefinition of elements in one book/file from being mistaken for the sanctioned settings. It also allows importing of the definitions of any of the elements from the template when you have to bring a book/file back into compliance with a template. This worked well when have 50+ engineers working in the individual files that make up a book, some of whom are only casually interested in not using the Word format-as-you-go method of working. In my opinion, any FrameMaker template should self document in this way so that one knows the rules one is working with. Those are my 2 cents worth. Craig Ede From: Framers on behalf of acr...@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:17 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties directly from a Frame file? As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style guide. If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty, that would be great. Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
Unfortunately, due to the security precautions that our company takes, third party apps can take months to be approved - it they are approved at all. I do have the Silicon Prairie tools, so I'll have to explore them in depth. I only took a quick glance and didn't see what I was looking for - I didn't read all the instructions (as I should have). The MIF method looks workable if a little cumbersome. Thanks for the ideas. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: December 14, 2023 7:41 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties Just an additional comment on my earlier Format List from squidds.de post: I'm using an older version of FM, so haven't bought this utility for a while. But I seem to recall that, since I last purchased, they changed their license from a one-time purchase to requiring an upgrade with every FM upgrade. So you might want to check that out and consider it before any purchase. Mike Wickham On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote: > Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties > directly from a Frame file? > > As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, > but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local > tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags > for a style guide. > > If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't > pretty, that would be great. > > > > Alison > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
Just an additional comment on my earlier Format List from squidds.de post: I'm using an older version of FM, so haven't bought this utility for a while. But I seem to recall that, since I last purchased, they changed their license from a one-time purchase to requiring an upgrade with every FM upgrade. So you might want to check that out and consider it before any purchase. Mike Wickham On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote: Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties directly from a Frame file? As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style guide. If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty, that would be great. Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
There is a utility that I like a lot for this. Squidds.de makes a Finalyser plugin that contains a whole bunch of utilities.. One is Format List. It prints out what you want and, unlike the Silicon Prairie Software plugin, puts all the paragraph properties into a single table. This makes it much easier to scan down a column to find a style with an errant font, for example. The problem is that the squidds.de site is a bear to operate for ordering. First, it's in German, so you have to turn on the English version, which isn't perfect. Then you have to find the Finalyser product. Then you have to find the price list for it, which is the only place that displays options to buy individual utilities (on the second page). $299 Euros for Format List. Not cheap, considering that it used to $99. Mike Wickham On 12/13/2023 6:17 PM, acr...@shaw.ca wrote: Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties directly from a Frame file? As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style guide. If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty, that would be great. Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
SiliconPrairieSoftware has Paragraph Tools and Character Tools which produces separate files listing the styles. Dennis -- Dennis Hays Quantum Mechanic +1 518.779.2322 On Thursday, Dec 14, 2023 at 8:58 AM, Thomas Bain <[1]tom.b...@icloud.com> wrote: Alison - Others may have a better solution, but, if you save a Frame file as a .mif, the definitions are within. For example, here's part of a paragraph tag definition: ... ... > # end of PgfFont ... > # end of TabStop ... > # end of Pgf -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 19:17 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties directly from a Frame file? As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style guide. If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty, that would be great. Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_B2B30917A9FD286F0FCD16EDAAD74DFB.png] References 1. mailto:tom.b...@icloud.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties
Alison - Others may have a better solution, but, if you save a Frame file as a .mif, the definitions are within. For example, here's part of a paragraph tag definition: ... ... > # end of PgfFont ... > # end of TabStop ... > # end of Pgf -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 19:17 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties directly from a Frame file? As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style guide. If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty, that would be great. Alison ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com