Re: Automatic ligatures
On 28/03/2012 5:05 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: Except that you do seem to need Unicode font support, which *does* require fairly recent OS and application versions. None of the first generation of Unicode implementations was without problems. the unicode issue was an attempt to comply with 19th century orthography of Cyrillic. Modern Russian fonts do not have all the characters that were used in Russian texts in pre-revolutionary times, and when they do have them, they are not accessible via the keyboard or via the Alt-numeric codes. I did insert this one character (yat') into my FM8 document, and it looked great on the screen, but then appeared as a blank space when printed to PDF, or to my HP 5000. Would this not occur in FM10 and Windows 7? in any case, I solved the issue by using the modern character instead, and printed the book. So far, no one complained...:-) if, and when, I will have to publish a book where access to unicode is a must, then I will consider getting a new machine. And although there are a few things about Windows 7 that I still find annoying, I am overjoyed every day by the *much* faster start up (~30 seconds to boot as opposed to 4-5 minutes under XP), I got into the habit of booting up, then go have a cup a coffee, and by the time I was back, the XP was ready to roll. the absence of blue screen crashes In all the years that I am running XP, this has never happened to me. -- Matanya Ophee Editions Orphée Inc., 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. Columbus, OH 43235-1226 Phone: 614-846-9517 Fax: 614-846-9794 mailto:m.op...@orphee.com http://www.editionsorphee.com http://matanya.livejournal.com/ http://www.matanyaophee.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Automatic ligatures
FM9+ changed the way the UI looks and functions to be more mouse-oriented; people who used keyboard shortcuts have had to adapt a bit to the new UI. From a tech writing point of view, bundling the Technical Communication Suite together provides more ways of generating help output via RoboHelp now. FM9 introduced the book of books concept and folders within books; FM10 doesn't do much more with that. The biggest push is towards structured authoring (DITA and other schemas) and content management systems (CMS). If you've got a spare machine, you can download the free trial play around for 30 days with copies of your docs to see if you like it. You can also run the trial on a an Adobe virtual space online if you don't want to download it. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matanya Ophee Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 1:05 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Automatic ligatures On 26/03/2012 10:04 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: FYI - FM 10 works fine on WinXP SP3 That's already encouraging. The reason I upgraded from FM7 to FM8 was the new provision for language dependent paragraph tags. I do a lot of bi- and tri-lingual texts and that feature became instantly useful. What is there in the basic functionality of FM10 that is so radically better than FM8 to justify the expense of an upgrade? I am not interested in DITA (whatever that is) or in structured books, so improvements in these area are not my concern. As I mentioned, I am not inclined to upgrade the OS, since I must have access to DOS for my music typesetting software. -- Matanya Ophee Editions Orphée Inc., 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. Columbus, OH 43235-1226 Phone: 614-846-9517 Fax: 614-846-9794 mailto:m.op...@orphee.com http://www.editionsorphee.com http://matanya.livejournal.com/ http://www.matanyaophee.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonassoftware.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automatic ligatures
On 27/03/2012 8:38 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: Have you ever considered separate hardware for separate tasks? Highly competent Windows systems can be had for less than $500, and that would leave your current system to run an old operating system to run an even older application program. yes, I have considered that, except that I really have no need for all the bells and whistles in more recent upgrades to OSs and software. Show me a bell and whistle that can actually make my life easier, and I'll upgrade in an instance. -- Matanya Ophee Editions Orphée Inc., 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. Columbus, OH 43235-1226 Phone: 614-846-9517 Fax: 614-846-9794 mailto:m.op...@orphee.com http://www.editionsorphee.com http://matanya.livejournal.com/ http://www.matanyaophee.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automatic ligatures
On 26/03/2012 9:20 PM, Roger Shuttleworth wrote: Hi Matanya As others have said, FrameMaker on Windows does not do ligatures; that's because they are not included in the Windows character sets. That is only partially true. Indeed the fi and fl ligatures are not part of the main character set and not accessible with Alt-0xxx numeric keyboard codes, but they do reside at the bottom end of most type 1 and TT fonts with U-xxx accessible codes. Just open the font with Windows' Character map to see this. The fact remains that both QuarkExpress and InDesign found a way to access these characters. I see no reason why FrameMaker cannot accomplish the same. What both QuarkExpress and InDesign also are unable to do is access the ff, ffi and ffl ligatures, since, indeed, these characters are only found in Expert fonts. I could live with just fi and fl, if necessary. Why, then, I do not migrate to these typographically superior programs? because they are deficient on features that are important to me in the production of scholarly books such as footnotes, indexes etc. There is a Quark extension that can do this, but it cost about twice as much as the program itself. So there, I am stuck with FM-8 and expert fonts. The only resource that I am aware of is at http://www.nbcs.rutgers.edu/~hedrick/typography/ http://www.nbcs.rutgers.edu/%7Ehedrick/typography/ If you go to the bottom of that article, there's mention of a plugin for ligatures, but it appears to be only for FM 6 or 7. Perhaps the author may be able to suggest other resources. Thanks. I'll look into that. Matanya Ophee Editions Orphée Inc., 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. Columbus, OH 43235-1226 Phone: 614-846-9517 Fax: 614-846-9794 mailto:m.op...@orphee.com http://www.editionsorphee.com http://matanya.livejournal.com/ http://www.matanyaophee.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automatic ligatures
On 26/03/2012 10:04 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: FYI – FM 10 works fine on WinXP SP3 That's already encouraging. The reason I upgraded from FM7 to FM8 was the new provision for language dependent paragraph tags. I do a lot of bi- and tri-lingual texts and that feature became instantly useful. What is there in the basic functionality of FM10 that is so radically better than FM8 to justify the expense of an upgrade? I am not interested in DITA (whatever that is) or in structured books, so improvements in these area are not my concern. As I mentioned, I am not inclined to upgrade the OS, since I must have access to DOS for my music typesetting software. -- Matanya Ophee Editions Orphée Inc., 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. Columbus, OH 43235-1226 Phone: 614-846-9517 Fax: 614-846-9794 mailto:m.op...@orphee.com http://www.editionsorphee.com http://matanya.livejournal.com/ http://www.matanyaophee.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Automatic ligatures
FYI - FM 10 works fine on WinXP SP3 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: March-24-12 12:04 PM To: m.op...@orphee.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Automatic ligatures You wrote: I am not exactly a newbie, been using FrameMaker since version 4. I am currently on version 8. The program, working in a Windows XP environment, does everything I need it to do, So the questions are these: 2. Is version 8 compatible with Windows XP? Since you say that you are currently using FrameMaker 8 with Windows XP, I assume that you meant to ask whether FrameMaker *10* is compatible with Windows XP. The answer to *that8 question is that they appear to be compatible, but that Adobe does not support the combination. In other words, if you have any issues, Adobe's only response will be to advise you to migrate to Windows 7, since that is the OS version that they support FrameMaker 10 on. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Automatic ligatures
if you have any issues, Adobe's only response will be to advise you to migrate to Windows 7, since that is the OS version that they support FrameMaker 10 on. Fortunately, my experience of Frame support has been better than that. They provided support for our activation issues and they've raised a bug for our crashes when changing CT display settings, both found on WinXP. One person in the group is now on Win7 and still sees the CT display crash, but no-one in Adobe even mentioned us upgrading to Win7. Cheers Rebecca Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com 25/03/12 05:03 You wrote: I am not exactly a newbie, been using FrameMaker since version 4. I am currently on version 8. The program, working in a Windows XP environment, does everything I need it to do, So the questions are these: 2. Is version 8 compatible with Windows XP? Since you say that you are currently using FrameMaker 8 with Windows XP, I assume that you meant to ask whether FrameMaker *10* is compatible with Windows XP. The answer to *that8 question is that they appear to be compatible, but that Adobe does not support the combination. In other words, if you have any issues, Adobe's only response will be to advise you to migrate to Windows 7, since that is the OS version that they support FrameMaker 10 on. -Fred Ridder NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automatic ligatures
On 24/03/2012 12:03 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: 2. Is version 8 compatible with Windows XP? Since you say that you are currently using FrameMaker 8 with Windows XP, I assume that you meant to ask whether FrameMaker *10* is compatible with Windows XP. Correct. I mistyped. The answer to *that8 question is that they appear to be compatible, but that Adobe does not support the combination. In other words, if you have any issues, Adobe's only response will be to advise you to migrate to Windows 7, since that is the OS version that they support FrameMaker 10 on. In other words, I must thank you for convincing me that if it ain't broke, I don't need to fix it. -- Matanya Ophee Editions Orphée Inc., 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. Columbus, OH 43235-1226 Phone: 614-846-9517 Fax: 614-846-9794 mailto:m.op...@orphee.com http://www.editionsorphee.com http://matanya.livejournal.com/ http://www.matanyaophee.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Automatic ligatures
So the questions are these: 1. Does version 10 do automatic ligatures? No. 2. Is version 8 compatible with Windows XP? Yes Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Automatic ligatures
You wrote: I am not exactly a newbie, been using FrameMaker since version 4. I am currently on version 8. The program, working in a Windows XP environment, does everything I need it to do, So the questions are these: 2. Is version 8 compatible with Windows XP? Since you say that you are currently using FrameMaker 8 with Windows XP, I assume that you meant to ask whether FrameMaker *10* is compatible with Windows XP. The answer to *that8 question is that they appear to be compatible, but that Adobe does not support the combination. In other words, if you have any issues, Adobe's only response will be to advise you to migrate to Windows 7, since that is the OS version that they support FrameMaker 10 on. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
