Re: [Framers] Footnote problem Tamy

[Julie A. Sigrist]

Yes, there are, and Rick did a much better job explaining the issue. Thanks, 
Rick.

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Hi All,

Here is the link as no information that identifies my client or this 
information for them is shown in the video. And Julie S., I think this is what 
you were describing to me. Brilliant minds on this list.

https://youtu.be/VGcibNwQ0EU<https://youtu.be/VGcibNwQ0EU>



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> Rick
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> Hi Klaus,
>
> Yes, I understand that. So how do I break the flow and be able to start adding
> new content after the last footnote in the series?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [Framers] Footnote problem Tamy

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi All,

Here is the link as no information that identifies my client or this 
information for them is shown in the video. And Julie S., I think this is what 
you were describing to me. Brilliant minds on this list.

https://youtu.be/VGcibNwQ0EU



Tammy Van Boening
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> Hi Tammy,
> 
> I am sending you a video link that I think shows the solution. It is a 
> private link
> because I am not sure if the content of your file should be shared. If my
> solution is correct, perhaps you can share it with the list.
> 
> Rick
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Footnote problem Tamy
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Yes, I understand that. So how do I break the flow and be able to start adding
> new content after the last footnote in the series?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> TVB
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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> > {table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and
> > click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag,
> > it s like the hold ofated the table footnote will not go away. It s
> > like FrameMaker won t let me start any new tag after a table footnote.
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Re: [Framers] Footnote problem Tamy

[rick]

Hi Tammy,

I am sending you a video link that I think shows the solution. It is a private 
link because I am not sure if the content of your file should be shared. If my 
solution is correct, perhaps you can share it with the list.

Rick

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Footnote problem Tamy

Hi Klaus,

Yes, I understand that. So how do I break the flow and be able to start adding 
new content after the last footnote in the series?

Thanks!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
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> {table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and 
> click, and then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, 
> it s like the hold ofated the table footnote will not go away. It s 
> like FrameMaker won t let me start any new tag after a table footnote. 
> It s stuck thinking everything that follows should be kept with the 
> table footnotes } Please keep in mind that a footnote/table footnote is a 
> flow (terminated by §)!
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Re: [Framers] Footnote problem Tamy

[Tammy Van Boening]

Hi Klaus,

Yes, I understand that. So how do I break the flow and be able to start adding 
new content after the last footnote in the series?

Thanks!

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
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> {table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and
> then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it s like the hold
> ofated the table footnote will not go away. It s like FrameMaker won t let me
> start any new tag after a table footnote. It s stuck thinking everything that
> follows should be kept with the table footnotes } Please keep in mind that a
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[Framers] Footnote problem Tamy

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{table footnote, no matter what type of tag I select with point and click, and 
then press enter to start a new line and start another tag, it s like the hold 
ofated the table footnote will not go away. It s like FrameMaker won t let me 
start any new tag after a table footnote. It s stuck thinking everything that 
follows should be kept with the table footnotes
}
Please keep in mind that a footnote/table footnote is a flow (terminated by §)!
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Re: A footnote problem in PDF Bookmark and FM TOC

[Stuart Rogers]

On 22/07/2011 2:39 PM, Brian Chan wrote:

Hi All:

Frame 9 running on XP.

I have a section titled Basic Windows* Terminology where the *
(asterisk) is a footnote.

In the PDF bookmark, only Basic Windows appears. The asterisk and the
word Terminology disappear.


Is the full phrase visible in the PDf on the page where that content 
appears?  (I.e., is it getting lost entirely from the document, or just 
from the bookmark?)


I wonder if the asterisk, being formatted as a footnote indicator, is 
being interpreted as the change of char tag that normally ends a 
hyperlink hotspot.  How does Ctrl-Alt-click behave in the FM file?




And in the TOC, the asterisk is missing. It only says Basic Windows
Terminology.


That behaviour makes sense to me -- why would you want a footnote 
indicator carried into a TOC entry?  It's only meaningful on the page 
where the footnote content actually appears.




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A footnote problem in PDF Bookmark and FM TOC

[Stuart Rogers]

On 22/07/2011 2:39 PM, Brian Chan wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Frame 9 running on XP.
>
> I have a section titled "Basic Windows* Terminology" where the *
> (asterisk) is a footnote.
>
> In the PDF bookmark, only "Basic Windows" appears. The asterisk and the
> word "Terminology" disappear.

Is the full phrase visible in the PDf on the page where that content 
appears?  (I.e., is it getting lost entirely from the document, or just 
from the bookmark?)

I wonder if the asterisk, being formatted as a footnote indicator, is 
being interpreted as the change of char tag that normally ends a 
hyperlink hotspot.  How does Ctrl-Alt-click behave in the FM file?

>
> And in the TOC, the asterisk is missing. It only says "Basic Windows
> Terminology."

That behaviour makes sense to me -- why would you want a footnote 
indicator carried into a TOC entry?  It's only meaningful on the page 
where the footnote content actually appears.



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Re: A footnote problem in PDF Bookmark and FM TOC

[Mike Wickham]

There is a well-known Windows XP bug that causes dropped text in PDFs. 
It affects all PostScript printers, including Adobe PDF. IF you haven't 
already installed it, get the hotfix here: 
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909


Mike Wickham


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A footnote problem in PDF Bookmark and FM TOC

[Mike Wickham]

There is a well-known Windows XP bug that causes dropped text in PDFs. 
It affects all PostScript printers, including Adobe PDF. IF you haven't 
already installed it, get the hotfix here: 
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909

Mike Wickham

A footnote problem in PDF Bookmark and FM TOC

[Brian Chan]

Hi All:

Frame 9 running on XP.

I have a section titled Basic Windows* Terminology where the * (asterisk) is 
a footnote. 

In the PDF bookmark, only Basic Windows appears. The asterisk and the word 
Terminology disappear.

And in the TOC, the asterisk is missing. It only says Basic Windows 
Terminology.

What is causing this problem? Can this be fixed? Thanks.

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A footnote problem in PDF Bookmark and FM TOC

[Brian Chan]

Hi All:

Frame 9 running on XP.

I have a section titled "Basic Windows* Terminology" where the * (asterisk) is 
a footnote. 

In the PDF bookmark, only "Basic Windows" appears. The asterisk and the word 
"Terminology" disappear.

And in the TOC, the asterisk is missing. It only says "Basic Windows 
Terminology."

What is causing this problem? Can this be fixed? Thanks.

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Re: footnote problem

[Graeme R Forbes]

Tina wrote:

If I take out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong

Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc 
it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their entirety 
onto the following page. FrameMaker can't split long notes across 
pages correctly. Useless behavior which, as Rick said, has been with 
us since FM 4 (FM 3 in my experience, and no doubt since FM 1 -- the 
footnote facility was programmed to do exactly what it does, by 
people who didn't understand how footnotes are supposed to behave). 
So you have to break them manually, using text boxes inside anchored 
frames for the part of the note that won't fit on the page with the 
reference number in the main text. Or else make them all endnotes by 
the ugly method described in the user manual, which I once automated 
in Applescript. But endnotes are so reader-hostile that it's worth 
slogging thro' the manual process.


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Re: Footnote problem--long footnotes

[Klaus Daube]

On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:59, Tina Ricks wrote:

 Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in
 Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite?

Well, I think the author will insist... So I would try a quirk, because the 
whole text seems to be a quirk anyhow:

- Put the text of the extra long footnote aside
- At the page place only an introductory part of this long footnote
  with a cross reference to the full text:

127)Hecate est Iovis et Latonae filia, soror Apollinis. 
Est tricopor et triceps, magicarum artium magistra ac
fascinationum praeses, cinctra latrantium canum turma.
(see complete footnote at page 312).

- Place this awful footnote in an appendix, where you probably have
  other strange things also.

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Re: footnote problem

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that
do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must
be something else, like an end note or just as an insert (not in the
FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type in direct
continuation of the subject section/part/paragraph.

I understand the problem, although I have not had to deal with it
(other than when the footnote reference is too low on the page for the
footnote itself to fit). This problem has come up several times on the
list IIRC. I have no other solution than this and, then maybe to
cross-reference it.

Is this something that can be overridden by a FrameScript? I guess not.

Adobe should look into this along with some other quirks, like the
feathering problem when you have an anchored frame on a page, and/or
balanced columns.

Bodvar

On 10/18/07, Graeme R Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tina wrote:

 If I take out
 the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
 text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong

 Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc
 it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their entirety
 onto the following page. FrameMaker can't split long notes across
 pages correctly. Useless behavior which, as Rick said, has been with
 us since FM 4 (FM 3 in my experience, and no doubt since FM 1 -- the
 footnote facility was programmed to do exactly what it does, by
 people who didn't understand how footnotes are supposed to behave).
 So you have to break them manually, using text boxes inside anchored
 frames for the part of the note that won't fit on the page with the
 reference number in the main text. Or else make them all endnotes by
 the ugly method described in the user manual, which I once automated
 in Applescript. But endnotes are so reader-hostile that it's worth
 slogging thro' the manual process.

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Re: footnote problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:

My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that
do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must
be something else, like an end note or just as an insert (not in the
FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type in direct
continuation of the subject section/part/paragraph.



...and if you checked it, you'd find the Chicago Manual of Style telling 
you pretty much the same thing.


Tina, you might want to have a look through section 15 of CMOS, 
especially Extensive versus Excessive Documentation beginning at 15.15 
and Footnotes beginning at 15.41. (14th Edition; the 15th ed. on line 
puts this info in section 16.)


These sections contain a good description of the problem your author is 
creating, in terms of book layout and typesetting (i.e., not particular 
to FM or any other software) and cogent arguments that you might deliver 
to him suggesting a different approach.  There are also suggestions on 
how to reduce the size of long footnotes if there is simply no way to 
avoid them.


HTH,

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footnote problem

[Graeme R Forbes]

Tina wrote:

"If I take out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong"

Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc 
it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their entirety 
onto the following page. FrameMaker can't split long notes across 
pages correctly. Useless behavior which, as Rick said, has been with 
us since FM 4 (FM 3 in my experience, and no doubt since FM 1 -- the 
footnote facility was programmed to do exactly what it does, by 
people who didn't understand how footnotes are supposed to behave). 
So you have to break them manually, using text boxes inside anchored 
frames for the part of the note that won't fit on the page with the 
reference number in the main text. Or else make them all endnotes by 
the ugly method described in the user manual, which I once automated 
in Applescript. But endnotes are so reader-hostile that it's worth 
slogging thro' the manual process.

Graeme Forbes

Footnote problem--long footnotes

[Klaus Daube]

On 17 Oct 2007 at 12:59, Tina Ricks wrote:

> Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in
> Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite?

Well, I think the author will insist... So I would try a quirk, because the 
whole text seems to be a quirk anyhow:

- Put the text of the extra long footnote aside
- At the page place only an introductory part of this long footnote
  with a cross reference to the full text:

127)Hecate est Iovis et Latonae filia, soror Apollinis. 
Est tricopor et triceps, magicarum artium magistra ac
fascinationum praeses, cinctra latrantium canum turma.
(see complete footnote at page 312).

- Place this awful footnote in an appendix, where you probably have
  other strange things also.

Klaus Daube

Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
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footnote problem

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that
do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must
be something else, like an end note or just as an "insert" (not in the
FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type in direct
continuation of the subject section/part/paragraph.

I understand the problem, although I have not had to deal with it
(other than when the footnote reference is too low on the page for the
footnote itself to fit). This problem has come up several times on the
list IIRC. I have no other solution than this and, then maybe to
cross-reference it.

Is this something that can be overridden by a FrameScript? I guess not.

Adobe should look into this along with some other quirks, like the
feathering problem when you have an anchored frame on a page, and/or
balanced columns.

Bodvar

On 10/18/07, Graeme R Forbes  wrote:
> Tina wrote:
>
> "If I take out
> the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
> text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong"
>
> Are you sure about this? If there are lots of long notes in the doc
> it's very likely that FM has pushed some of them in their entirety
> onto the following page. FrameMaker can't split long notes across
> pages correctly. Useless behavior which, as Rick said, has been with
> us since FM 4 (FM 3 in my experience, and no doubt since FM 1 -- the
> footnote facility was programmed to do exactly what it does, by
> people who didn't understand how footnotes are supposed to behave).
> So you have to break them manually, using text boxes inside anchored
> frames for the part of the note that won't fit on the page with the
> reference number in the main text. Or else make them all endnotes by
> the ugly method described in the user manual, which I once automated
> in Applescript. But endnotes are so reader-hostile that it's worth
> slogging thro' the manual process.
>
> Graeme Forbes
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footnote problem

[Stuart Rogers]

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
> My walnut is telling me that a footnote is a footnote and things that
> do not fit within the majority of a page as allowed in FrameMaker must
> be something else, like an end note or just as an "insert" (not in the
> FM way) that is just shown indented and/or in smaller type in direct
> continuation of the subject section/part/paragraph.
> 

...and if you checked it, you'd find the Chicago Manual of Style telling 
you pretty much the same thing.

Tina, you might want to have a look through section 15 of CMOS, 
especially "Extensive versus Excessive Documentation" beginning at 15.15 
and Footnotes beginning at 15.41. (14th Edition; the 15th ed. on line 
puts this info in section 16.)

These sections contain a good description of the problem your author is 
creating, in terms of book layout and typesetting (i.e., not particular 
to FM or any other software) and cogent arguments that you might deliver 
to him suggesting a different approach.  There are also suggestions on 
how to reduce the size of long footnotes if there is simply no way to 
avoid them.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

Footnote problem--long footnotes

[Tina Ricks]

Hi all,

 

I'm laying out a manuscript in Frame 8 that is packed full of detailed
footnotes. This author is fond of them, and one footnote in particular spans
multiple pages. Word can allow footnotes to span pages. So far, it appears
that Frame's footnotes can't span pages.

 

I can't get into the merits of writing in long footnotes (whole 'nother
discussion), I'm stuck with them, and I didn't write them. When I get a
footnote that is longer than one page, even moving the maximum height as
high as possible (Format  Document  Footnote Properties  Maximum Height
Per Column), Frame goes into Footnote Freefall. The extra-long footnote
disappears, and all the other footnotes seem to lose their minds in the
process. they go onto one page per footnote at the end of the document.
Meaning they leave the bottoms of the pages throughout and go to the end,
one footnote per page, thus adding about 15-20 extra pages to the end of my
document, blank except for one footnote at the bottom of each. If I take out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong.

 

Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in
Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite?

 

Tina

 

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Re: Footnote problem--long footnotes

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tina,

Footnote problems like you are experiencing is a known issue at least since 
FrameMaker 4, possibly earlier.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all,

I'm laying out a manuscript in Frame 8 that is packed full of detailed
footnotes. This author is fond of them, and one footnote in particular 
spans

multiple pages. Word can allow footnotes to span pages. So far, it appears
that Frame's footnotes can't span pages.

I can't get into the merits of writing in long footnotes (whole 'nother
discussion), I'm stuck with them, and I didn't write them. When I get a
footnote that is longer than one page, even moving the maximum height as
high as possible (Format  Document  Footnote Properties  Maximum Height
Per Column), Frame goes into Footnote Freefall. The extra-long footnote
disappears, and all the other footnotes seem to lose their minds in the
process. they go onto one page per footnote at the end of the document.
Meaning they leave the bottoms of the pages throughout and go to the end,
one footnote per page, thus adding about 15-20 extra pages to the end of 
my
document, blank except for one footnote at the bottom of each. If I take 
out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in 
the

text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong.

Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in
Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite?

Tina

Tina Ricks | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Editor

Trial Guides, LLC

503-531-3233


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Footnote problem--long footnotes

[Tina Ricks]

Hi all,



I'm laying out a manuscript in Frame 8 that is packed full of detailed
footnotes. This author is fond of them, and one footnote in particular spans
multiple pages. Word can allow footnotes to span pages. So far, it appears
that Frame's footnotes can't span pages.



I can't get into the merits of writing in long footnotes (whole 'nother
discussion), I'm stuck with them, and I didn't write them. When I get a
footnote that is longer than one page, even moving the maximum height as
high as possible (Format > Document > Footnote Properties > Maximum Height
Per Column), Frame goes into Footnote Freefall. The extra-long footnote
disappears, and all the other footnotes seem to lose their minds in the
process. they go onto one page per footnote at the end of the document.
Meaning they leave the bottoms of the pages throughout and go to the end,
one footnote per page, thus adding about 15-20 extra pages to the end of my
document, blank except for one footnote at the bottom of each. If I take out
the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in the
text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong.



Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in
Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite?



Tina



Tina Ricks | kristina.ricks at verizon.net

Editor

Trial Guides, LLC

503-531-3233

Footnote problem--long footnotes

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tina,

Footnote problems like you are experiencing is a known issue at least since 
FrameMaker 4, possibly earlier.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> Hi all,
>
> I'm laying out a manuscript in Frame 8 that is packed full of detailed
> footnotes. This author is fond of them, and one footnote in particular 
> spans
> multiple pages. Word can allow footnotes to span pages. So far, it appears
> that Frame's footnotes can't span pages.
>
> I can't get into the merits of writing in long footnotes (whole 'nother
> discussion), I'm stuck with them, and I didn't write them. When I get a
> footnote that is longer than one page, even moving the maximum height as
> high as possible (Format > Document > Footnote Properties > Maximum Height
> Per Column), Frame goes into Footnote Freefall. The extra-long footnote
> disappears, and all the other footnotes seem to lose their minds in the
> process. they go onto one page per footnote at the end of the document.
> Meaning they leave the bottoms of the pages throughout and go to the end,
> one footnote per page, thus adding about 15-20 extra pages to the end of 
> my
> document, blank except for one footnote at the bottom of each. If I take 
> out
> the now disappeared long footnote (by deleting the footnote reference in 
> the
> text), all the other footnotes go back where they belong.
>
> Has anyone seen this? Any ideas about how to deal with long footnotes in
> Frame other than go back to the author and tell him to rewrite?
>
> Tina
>
> Tina Ricks | kristina.ricks at verizon.net
>
> Editor
>
> Trial Guides, LLC
>
> 503-531-3233