Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:17:26 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >Hmmm ... does the demo version of MIF2GO not jabberwocky >the text a bit? :) Not for MIF wash, or export graphics, or saving as MIF for a full book (without breaking the links)... only for HTML, XML, and RTF outputs. >Or is "MIF washing" considered a freebie that you are >willing to let people do indefinitely? Thanks much, if so! You're welcome! ;-) >(ala the FrameMaker LITE discussion), have you ever considered >a low-cost (or freebie - I hope) LITE version for those of us >who do not need the full power of MIF2GO and cannot get the >justification for buying that? No. I don't like "crippleware", where features are removed to maintain sales value in the more complete product. The Jabberwocky is as close as we'll come to that. Basically, we *already* give Mif2Go away to anyone who cannot afford it for a good reason, like unemployment. We see no reason to subsidize greedy corporations where the savings go into the pocket of an overpaid CEO, and do absolutely nothing to help the employees. Used to be, we gave away one copy for every two or three we sold. Last few years, it's ten free for every one sold. Lots of pain out there these days, and that's where we choose to put our support. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:23:06 -0500, "Rick Quatro" wrote: >I agree with Scott. For me, FrameMaker 8 is the gold standard. It supports >Unicode, I agree. I use FM 8 myself, and our pubs manager uses 7.0. If you don't need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 7. And if you do need Unicode, there's no reason to go past 8. >but is not encumbered by the new interface and slow performance of >FrameMaker 9 (the Windows Millennium version of FrameMaker :-)). FrameMaker >10 is better than 9, but, as Scott said, only upgrade if you need some of >the new features. *What* new features??? The majority of those claimed are, IMHO, hype. Some don't work at all (the "new" CMYK support), others (like DITA) are far better supported by much less expensive third-party software (DITA-FMx). And one of the elephants in the living room is that there is *no* FDK support for the new UI, making it very hard for any third-party app to play nice with 9 and 10. The FDK still has the docs for 7.0, the last time any real engineering occurred, IMHO. You know, before they fired the surviving staff from Frame Tech so as to make more money by outsourcing "development" to India. I'm just sad that the product I've appreciated, supported, and recommended since version 3.0 has come to this... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM-MIF conversion (Was: RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 24)
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0800, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >And, your option for this wash makes it far more simple >to do (I assume I can do it to the entire book - all >files contained in it - just as simply?) Yes, just do the usual SHIFT-File, from the book, to get the version of the File menu that acts on all files in the book. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Key Repeat rate?
On Mon, 2 May 2011 09:13:07 -0700, Alex Escott wrote: >I haven't used anything other than frame to author >DITA content. Is there another program that provides >a semi-WYSIWYG interface for creating DITA content, >that's more responsive? Yes, a few. My own favorite is oXygen, at: http://oxygenxml.com not free, but a lot less than Frame. For outputs to HTML, Word, and Help systems, it integrates nicely with our DITA2Go, which *is* free: http://dita2go.com HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith DITA2Go site: http://www.dita2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 10 and Win 7 -- any "gotchas"/problems?
On Wed, 11 May 2011 09:29:34 -0400, "John Sgammato" wrote: >I am running (unstructured) FM10 on Win7 with a single FM10 issue: >My current machine is a 64-bit Win7 at work and a 32-bit Win7 >at home. I work on all files on both machines with almost no >problems. The problem I had was converting an 86-chapter book >to OmniHelp using Mif2Go. It turns out there are new Mif2Go >files for FM10. Note that this is a Mif2Go - FM10 issue that >I think is unrelated to Win7, but if you are using Mif2Go then >you need to know about it. Correct. The problem is that FM 10 broke back compatibility for MIF generation. Again. So for FM 10, you need the latest files, which are not part of the demo version yet; links to them are provided in the download instructions sent to new registered users. We'll be adding that to the demo in the next release. There is no problem at all with Win 7, except that you need to install the files that used to go into \windows\system32 to \windows\syswow64 instead for the 64-bit version. That info is on the Web site right under the download links. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Change declaration when converting FM with MIF2GO
On Wed, 11 May 2011 09:08:29 +0200, "de Rouck, Tom (Gent)" wrote: >I'm trying to set up a first conversion of a structured Framemaker 8 manual >(p277) to DITA XML via MIF2GO. >Everything looks OK, except for the declaration 'override'. I need an override >because I upload the resulting XMLs in Docato (EMC product). After upload >editing is done with Serna. >My problem is two-fold: > >1) MIF2GO does not seem to pick up any change I make to this declaration >(other changes in the .ini do). We'd have to see a test case to determine why it is not working for you. That means a short (one page) doc, with the .fm, .mif (very important), .inis, .prj, and all output files including the log file, all in one .zip. >2) If it would work what's the change I need to make to have the following >resulting declaration: > >http://dita.oasis-open.org/architecture/2005/"; >xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"; id="id" xml:lang="en-us" >xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="../../catalog/concept.xsd"> You wouldn't use the settings above for that; this is the root element, not the doctype declaration. You would use: [DITATopicRootAttrs] ; Frame para format for topic title (wildcards OK) = attributes for ; the root element of the current topic. It can be overridden by a ; DITATopicRootAttr marker. If your starting Frame format were "conhead", you'd use: conhead=xmlns:xsa3="http://dita.oasis-open.org/architecture/2005/"; xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"; xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="../../catalog/concept.xsd" except you'd have to have it all on one line (not possible in this post). If you want it for all topics, use * instead of conhead. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 crashing like it's Word
On Sun, 15 May 2011 15:19:39 +0300, Orly Zimmerman wrote: >If all else fails, usually, a MIF wash solves the >problem, so I have scripts to save all my book files >as MIFs and save all the MIF's back to FM. If you want to do this real fast and easy, without a script, install the demo version of Mif2Go. It adds "Wash via MIF" to the File menu; use Shift-File to wash the whole book in one shot. No charge. http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm#Mif2Go_Downloads -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Chinese translation has garbage for index entries (also Mif2Go issue)
On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:18:24 -0400, Celine Deguire wrote: >I'm reviewing Chinese Simplified files returned from my Chinese translator >and everything is fine except for the index entries displayed as garbage in >the marker dialog. That should not happen. In Frame 7.2, Simplifiesd Chinese is encoded as the double-byte code page 936, GBK. That's the same as the rest of the text encoding, so it should look like Chinese, not garbage. >In the generated index, the text appears to be Chinese >after updating the book. Upon conversion to HTML Help 1.x output, the *.hhk >file contains garbage characters for the index entries. You need the most recent Mif2Go DLLs and EXEs, from our Dropbox site, for this to work. Since you are a registered user of Mif2Go, you can access those. (Sorry, no demo versions of them yet.) You also must have the ICU DLLs from our site. In addition, you need to make a few .ini settings not in the previous User's Guide, like: [MSHtmlHelpOptions] ; HelpFileLanguage = LCID to put in project file, default is for : US English. HelpFileLanguage = 0x804 Chinese (Simplified) [HtmlOptions] ; IndexSortType = Numeric (default, code-point order), ; Lexical (using MS strcoll functions), or ; Alpha (sort accented letters as though they are unaccented). IndexSortType=Lexical ; IndexSortLocale = language to use for sorting index. ; When IndexSortType is Lexical, default is current ; OS country setting. Uses MS language names. ;IndexSortLocale=Chinese (Simplified) >As a test, we saved the files in FM 8.0 p277 format and the index entries >were garbage (mostly question marks) in the marker dialog and generated >index. As expected, after Mif2Go conversion *.hhk file shows entries as >garbage. You may have experienced a Frame bug there. When Frame converts a pre-8.0 file to 8 or later, it converts the content to Unicode in UTF-8 encoding. However, we recently found that the index markers are not converted correctly, at least for Japanese and probably for all DBCS encodings (Chinese, Korean). Instead of converting character by character, Frame converts byte by byte, encoding each byte of each double-byte character in UTF-8 individually. This is not valid in any sense, and is not a recoverable error. You can either replace all index entries by hand with new ones *created* in Frame 8, or stay with 7 forever. We have not investigated what Frame 8+ does with index entries when saving back to FM7, but it may yield unexpected results, like the garbage you observed in the FM7 files you got back from the translator... If you could send us a page from one of the files you got back, with an index entry, in FM 7 MIF, we can look at the encoding more closely. It's easy to spot the double-encoding when you know exactly what you are looking for. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Custom Table Footnote options
On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:18:18 +0300, Orly Zimmerman wrote: >Hi All, >I would like to have a few more options as to my >custom Table Footnote symbols. > >Currently, if I define a "Custom" option in the >Format>Document>Numbering> Table Footnote Tab with >the definition of *\d\D, FM uses a star, a dagger >and then a double dagger for my footnote symbols >in that order. Those are the Frame dialog box codes, which work in all Frame versions, Unicode (8 up) or not (7 down). >I tried inserting \xa7 \ax8, \xa9 and \xaa and got >a Beta, then a few copyright symbols and then a >register trademark symbol - but what I wanted were >club, diamond, heart and spade. Not sure why you got that; should have been section mark, dieresis, copyright, and feminine ordinal. Those codes would give you the suits in the Symbol font, but AFAIK you can't specify font for those symbols. >Does anyone know how I can get a proper list of >options for defining these Custom symbols for table >footnotes? I've checked the character sets but FM >doesn't seem to use the standard char sets. Use the Unicode for the chars: \x2663 \x2666 \x2665 \x2660 for the solid symbols, \x2667 \x2662 \x2661 \x2664 for the hollow ones. >I'm currently using FM8 from TCS1 on WinXP SP2 For FM8 and above, Unicode code points should work. Haven't tested this specific usage, though. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame -- Mif2Go -- HTML Help Workshop Problem
On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:02:20 -0500 (CDT), Nancy Allison wrote: >I am using FrameMaker 10 on a Windows 7 system with HTML Help Workshop 1.3 > >I have successfully used these identical tools in the identical versions to >produce exactly the same kind of online help in the past, but today I am >having a maddening problem: in the .chm file, the Table of Contents includes >only one chapter file out of all the chapters in my original book file. (It is >the ninth out of ten files in my .book file!) > >All of the other .fm files clearly have successfully been converted by Mif2Go >and are sitting in the same directory as the one file that the Workshop seems >to recognize. > >How do I get the rest of my files into the TOC of the .chm? I followed the >somewhat sketchy instructions in the online Help system of the HTML Help >Workshop -- the only result was that the next time I generated it, NOTHING >appeared in the .chm at all. > >I do hope that someone somewhere is still working with these tools and has an >idea what's going on. That should all work fine. Sounds like you did something to the .hhp that makes it not find all the files it should. Try deleting it and have Mif2Go recreate it for you, by rerunning the book. As a diagnostic, you should see a .bhc file for each chapter file, and all the chapter file names should be in the .lst file. Make sure you have [MSHtmlHelpOptions]RefFileType=Body not Full; see User's Guide par. 8.8.1, "Choosing how to generate HTML Help contents and index". Missetting that would make a .hhc that has only the contents of the last file run. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:23:18 -0400, Art Campbell wrote: >The workflow seems to be (unstructured): > >1. From Frame, SaveAs (I'm using MIF2Go) as RTF. >2. Batch-convert the RTF to clean HTML or XHTML. That doesn't make sense to me. Why have Mif2Go make RTF, with very different requirements than HTML, and then use something else to make the clean HTML/XHTML you can have Mif2Go make in the first place? I hope the intermediate step isn't using Word, which produces horrible HTML. But Word is what our RTF is tuned for... >3. Save/export into a comma-separated value (CSV) file. >4. Import the CSV into WordPress, assigning tags, categories, post >types and other bits and pieces on import. WordPress doesn't import HTML? CSV is a very old and limited format... Does WordPress use it internally, or does it use its own XML format, as I'd expect? -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" wrote: >That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, >but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress >version. > >Of course, if ... Mif2Go could save my 300pp FM10 book >as 300 individual HTML procedures Sure, no problem. In about ten seconds. >and somehow push them into a MySQL database, then I >would have my grail - all my official released procedures >could get pumped into a Drupal-powered knowledgebase owned >by our Support team! Easy one. There's a Drupal module that does what you want: http://drupal.org/project/import_html In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for "import HTML files", you get 279986 hits. The module above is just the first one. If you set the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to look through... For DITA folks, Dick Johnson has published his infocenter on Drupal at: http://www.ditainfo.info And Don Day Himself is working on "DITA for Drupal": http://pronovix.com/documentation-dita-open-source-cms-drupal-presentation-cmsdita-n-america-baltimore Of course, if you use DITA source, DITA2Go does the same fast, thorough job that Mif2Go does... and it is free, available at: http://dita2go.com which is itself a Drupal site. ;-) Enjoy! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:13:36 -0500, "Jeremy H. Griffith" wrote: >In fact, if you go to drupal.org and search for >"import HTML files", you get 279986 hits. The >module above is just the first one. If you set >the filter to "Modules", you have only 2581 to >look through... And if you want a nice set of tables showing the major choices and their features, go to the Wiki page at: http://groups.drupal.org/node/21338 There are modules that go to/from WordPress, too, via CSV, and import WordPress Extended RSS: http://drupal.org/project/wordpress_import I love Drupal. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Anyone else looking at Frame >> WordPress (as a CMS)
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:57:51 -0400, "John Sgammato" wrote: >That sort of tool would be pretty exciting for me, >but I would need a Drupal version, not a WordPress >version. Harking back to your original question, about CMS use, there's this Drupal module, which I'm looking at for an entirely different purpose, but which is made for CMS support: http://drupal.org/project/cmis And you might look at the CMIS standard itself: http://www.aiim.org/community/blogs/expert/CMIS-A-Standard-Whose-Time-has-Come Then there's the 4601 hits for "content management" in Modules; skim down that list for more ideas of what's already available: http://drupal.org/search/apachesolr_multisitesearch/content%20management?filters=ss_meta_type%3Amodule One of the companies involved in the Drupal CMIS mosule is Alfresco, worth a look at too: http://www.alfresco.com/products/networks/community/ Free for non-commercial use only. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to enter Unicode Character in FrameMaker 10?
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:00:44 -0500 (CDT), Nancy Allison wrote: >Which of these cryptic codes to I use to get the >character into my text? HOW do I enter the code to do this? Copy and paste it from the windows char map tool. Open the char map, select Arial Unicode MS as the font, check the Advanced view box, select Unicode as the char set, after it type 2192 in the box, click Select, click Copy, then in Frame Paste Special as Unicode. No keyboard method I know of. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to enter Unicode Character in FrameMaker 10?
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:43:52 +0100, "Ian Proudfoot" wrote: >FrameMaker does have the Hex Input palette where you can type the hex value >of any unicode character. It's a lot more compact than the character >palette. You can find it here: File > Utilities > Hex Input... or Alt + f u >i. Interesting, thanks! It seems to have been added in FM9; it's not present in Frame 8. And if you are wondering how to make the Character Palette go away, since it has no close box or button, just hit Esc. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to enter Unicode Character in FrameMaker 10?
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:36:16 -0700, Karen Robbins wrote: >I have been struggling with this in FM9. My document has a >Symbol-font arrow that goes wonky when I convert to PDF. I have tried >several tools and suggestions, including the FM hex input palette, to >enter the proper code, but none work--I just get a question mark in >place of the arrow. I am not skilled enough in Windows (7) to modify >a registry (Mac person here). Any help for the Windows-impaired? Sounds like maybe the font you are using does not have a glyph for the code point. Try changing the font to Arial Unicode MS, which does have that glyph, and see if the symbol appears then. (You could change the font just for the one char, with a Character Format.) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Japanese sort order in indexes
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:56:15 -0400, Celine Deguire wrote: >I would like to know how to define the Japanese >sort order in FrameMaker 8. The problem with Japanese is that it is not sorted by the Unicode character order of the displayed glyphs (which are usually katakana). Instead, it is sorted according to the pronunciation of the words, as given in a different script, kanji. The software has no idea what the kanji is, so you have to provide it by the usual Frame sort order method, in []s for every single index entry. Naturally this requires a Japanese native speaker. Once you have all the kanji, and have the Japanese version of the SortOrderIX entry on the index reference page, you should be good to go. If you can't find the kanji sort order, let me know and I'll dig through archives here for one we used while testing. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Japanese sort order in indexes
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:34:55 +0900, Makoto Nagasawa wrote: >Hello Celine, > >On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: >> >> The problem with Japanese is that it is not sorted >> by the Unicode character order of the displayed >> glyphs (which are usually katakana). Instead, it >> is sorted according to the pronunciation of the >> words, as given in a different script, kanji. >> The software has no idea what the kanji is, so >> you have to provide it by the usual Frame sort >> order method, in []s for every single index entry. >> Naturally this requires a Japanese native speaker. >> > >You may use a software to convert Kanji to Kana (pronunciation). Thanks, that is interesting! >- KAKASI - Kanji Kana Simple Inverter >http://kakasi.namazu.org/ It looks like the links to compiled versions are all broken; you can still get the source at: http://kakasi.namazu.org/stable/kakasi-2.3.4.tar.gz It's a little hard to determine what tools are needed to build it... Looks like it expects a UNIX/Linux environment. >I use KAKASI and Perl Module >(http://search.cpan.org/~dankogai/Text-Kakasi-2.04/Kakasi.pm) to >insert Kana (pronunciation) in >FrameMaker Mif file. For this you definitely need to be a perl programmer. Both parts are GPL, which is good, if anyone with the required skills feels like making a package usable on Windows. >However, Japanese native speaker need to check >whether the Index are sorted correctly or not. Definitely! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 to ePub?
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:42:29 -0700, "Tina Ricks" wrote: >Can anyone point me to a good reference on the path from Frame 8.0 to ePub? > >I work for a small publisher, and about half of our (print) books are in >FM8. In the last year we have migrated all new projects to InDesign, mostly >because most of our contract book designers work in InDesign and we needed >to be consistent with what they were doing. We have 8 to 10 books in FM8 >that I need to migrate to ePub, ideally with as little cost as possible. >After this conversion, we won't be using FrameMaker much anymore, so I don't >want to invest any more than needed. As David Creamer mentioned, the best tool for ePub, and other ebook formats, is Calibre, which is free or low cost as you choose (by donation). You can feed Calibre either HTML or RTF. The native forms produced by Frame leave a lot to be desired. Mif2Go produces both with high quality, quickly and simply. BTW, many of our customers have used the Word RTF output to get to InDesign. You don't get to keep all Frame features, since ID doesn't have them, but it's a good start. Ordinarily, Mif2Go is $295 for a *perpetual* (not one-year!) license that includes all upgrades for the first year, with upgrades and support renewable annually for $75. However, for many years we've been offering it for free to the unemployed, underemployed consultants, academics, Open Source providers, and many nonprofits. Reading your mission statement, we see: Trial Guides is a different kind of company. We don’t help the defense bar. Period. We only publish books for plaintiff’s lawyers, and we will never publish any product aimed at helping the defense, to damage a member of society who has already been damaged. Bravo! we say. So we'll be happy to provide Mif2Go free of charge, with full support, should you want it. >So. some questions: > >--Do I need to upgrade to a more current version of Frame to do this? No. Please don't. We support Frame 6 up, even 5.5.6 in most respects. Newer versions are **not** better. >--Is there an intermediary piece of software I need to buy? No, but a donation to the Calibre folks would be a nice touch. ;-) >--Can anyone recommend a good reference (web site, book, etc.) describing >how to convert Frame documents to ePub? Again, I'd have a look at what's available from Calibre: http://calibre-ebook.com/ All the best to you! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Applying Paragraph Tags with F9 Not Working in Frame 10
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:40:08 -0600, Linda Pelton wrote: >Is there a workaround of some sort to get these >function keys to reliably work? Yes. Upgrade from Frame 10 to Frame 8. ;-) Seriously, many many people have... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?
On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:17:38 -0700, Laura Larson wrote: >There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, >but on the trial version of 10 I noticed the same >thing happening. Does any one have any ideas? Yes, Mif2Go excludes any hidden conditional text when it makes Word files (or any other oputput, like CHM). You can further automate that by creating a Frame template with the show/hide conditions as you want. Mif2Go will import the template without affecting your original FM files (just affecting the MIF it uses). Mif2Go also does a much, much better job of RTF than Frame's native output, which is almost worthless for docs with figs and tables, IMHO. About half our customers get it for Word docs alone... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to use some characters of 'symbola'
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:51:28 +0100, Michael Böhme wrote: >I have a problem using the unicode font 'symbola.ttf': >http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/font/symbola/index.htm > >I installed this font, and it works well in Microsoft Word. What I looked >for was a symbol for a steam locomotive (and other). >The unicode sequence is 1F682. > >I tried to insert this symbol into my FM 9 document with PopChar 5.2, but >the result was a '?' only. >The file>utilities>Character palette of FM9 does not show these symbol, but >shows other characters of the 'symbola' font. These other characters I can >enter into my FM9-document. > >What is the underlying problem? The underlying problem is that Frame does not actually support Unicode. It supports only one part of it, the BMP (Basic Multilingual Plane), which is from U+ to U+. It does not support the "ästral" planes, above 0x, and your character is on Plane 1, SMP (Supplementary Multilingual Plane). We've had the same problem with customers using Plane 2, the SIP (Supplementary Ideographic Plane), which contains (among others) Chinese Han characters that didn't make it into the BMP during Han unification. Frame does *store* the characters, using 4-byte UTF-8 encoding, but will not display them, just a placeholder (the question mark or a space) instead. However, if you export to HTML using Mif2Go (and possibly other apps), the characters will appear in the output, and anyone with that font installed can see them in their browser. >What exactly I have to do, to insert my steam locomotive? Good question. You can copy/paste from somewhere that shows them, like Word, but since they are invisible in Frame, they will be hard to work with. I'd suggest a character-sized image instead, in an in-line anchored frame. Maybe someday Frame will *really* support the full Unicode Standard, but I am not optimistic about that. I brought it up in the last two betas I was in, and the only response was I was left out of the next beta. La, la, la, la, we can't hear you. ;-) HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: HTML Generation and Alinks
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:01:24 -0800, "Lea Rush" wrote: >I generate CHM from my Frame files (Framemaker 8.0 p277). Is it possible to >add the help targets in Frame directly? Yes, at least if you are doing it with Mif2Go. (You didn't indicate what tool you are using to create the HTML Help.) You can do it with markers. See the User's Guide, par. 6.6.4.1, "Adding related-topic link keywords via markers". >I just read an article about >generating the Frame index as you go, and that made me wonder. I’ve tried a >couple of things which I don’t list out of pure embarrassment. The text of >the alink target is this: > > > >where “nnn” is a three or four digit target hard-coded into our software. That's one line of a multi-line element, and it's not quite the right syntax anyway. But you don't have to know the object syntax; Mif2Go creates that for you. Your marker would be type ALink (or another type mapped to that), with content TOPIC:nnn. It sounds like you are really using this for CSH, though, and that can be even simpler; just add a hypertext newlink marker with the value. See par. 8.11.1.1, "Using markers for CSH destinations". The Mif2Go User's Guide can be accessed on line at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/ohusergd/ Or can be downloaded from: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm#Mif2Go_UG HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting graphics out of a file
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:42:29 -0800, Lynn Gold wrote: >I have a bunch of FrameMaker files with embedded graphics that have been >converted from MS Word. Because all those embedded screen shots make for >one gangly file, I'd like to be able to extract these graphics and have >them as referenced files. Is there an easy way to do this (preferably all >at once)? Yes, Mif2Go will do that for you. See the User's Guide, par. 2.5.3, "Replacing embedded graphics with referenced graphics". All graphics are exported losslessly in their original formats, whatever they were. Note that you do not need to purchase Mif2Go to do this; the Demo version will do the job nicely. You can do a whole book in one operation. http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker 8 hangs
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:18:24 -0500, David Cadoch wrote: >I am new to this forum and I was wondering if anyone has >experienced Adobe version 8.00 hang during 2 specific >operations: >* Hi-lighting text with the mouse >* Minimizing a window >The work environment is Windows 7 - 64 bit, however Frame >is installed in the Program Files (x486) directory. As another data point, I use Frame 8 all the time on Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit without any problems. Check your Help | About and make sure you are using Frame 8.0p277. If not, download and install (in order) whatever patches you are missing from Adobe's site. No need to use compatibility settings for Frame 8! HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM --> MIF2Go --> Kindle?
I sent this to Hedley off list, and he urged me to repost it on Framers. So here it is. --Jeremy On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:34:32 +1100, Hedley Finger wrote: >Do you or will you have in the future a mif2go *.mobi, *.prc, or *.azw >generator? I have attached a copy of the Amazon Kindle Publishing >Guidelines for your perusal. I found a fairly simple method, at least to MOBI for Kindle, but the same toolset does many more formats. First, get Calibre. It's free: http://calibre-ebook.com/download_windows Run it and set up its own empty directory somewhere. Now set up your Frame book as usual If you have stuff before the TOC, like cover, title page, etc., put that in one Frame file and include it as the first item in the TOC (possibly conditioned out for PDF or other formats). Make sure you add the char format for page numbers in the TOC so you can tell M2G to delete them (par. 12.7.2.3). Set up a Mif2Go project for plain HTML, with wrap and ship on, so you get a zip of the HTML. Run it. Make sure you don't get the log file in the wrap dir; if you did, remove it from the .zip. It will mess you up. In the Wrap dir, rename the *TOC.htm to index.htm. Remove the *TOC.htm from the zip, and put in index.htm. (In Win 7, you can do that with Explorer.) In Calibre, Add Book and select the zip you made. Calibre copies it into its own dir. Fill in the metadata Calibre wants (title, author, lang, etc.). With the zip selected in Calibre, Convert to MOBI. Look at all the screens before telling it to start; under Look and Feel, disable scaling of fonts, and under Structure, specify NO TOC. You may see other tweaks you want to make. Look at the resulting MOBI in a viewer, preferably a real Kindle or the Amazon Kindle app on your desktop. Calibre has its own viewer, but it doesn't behave the same as Kindle. I wasted some time fixing things that were fine on the actual Kindle. For example, Kindle puts a page break for each new HTML file, so you can control those by where you Split. The Calibre viewer ran them all together. You will probably want to make changes in font size, alignment, indents, etc. Open the local.css in the wrap dir in an editor like Notepad++ and adjust it. Save, and drag the CSS to the .zip in the Calibre directory. Rerun the Convert. I did this about 20 times. ;-) There you are... Took me about five hours for the first 200-page book, and an hour for the second one. Note: Most of that time was spent tweaking CSS. The different e-readers are totally inconsistent in their support, even of the simplest things like left-margin. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: single-sourcing PDF and "text with layout"?
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:27:35 -0700, Robert Lauriston wrote: >I've got this pretty much working (FrameMaker 10 > MIF2Go > RTF > Word >> Save As > Text with Layout) except for a couple of glitches >appearing in the final conversion: > >1. The text with layout converter for Word drops tabs from headings, >so bullets and numbered steps are collapsed, e.g. instead of "1. Click >..." I get "1.Click ..." In Mif2Go, set [CodeAfterAnum] for your list styles to add a couple of fixed spaces, \~ in RTF: [CodeAfterAnum] ListStyleName=\~\~ >2. Random numbers appear at the end of headings, e.g. "Known Issues" >comes out as "Known Issues26". Those are not random, they are hidden-text page numbers needed to emulate Frame's dynamic xrefs to pages. Set: [WordOptions] ExtXrefPages=No >I guess I'll ask about alternative Text with Layout converters on a >Word-geek forum. The Mif2Go User's Guide might be easier... ;-) >In the meantime, any other suggestions on getting >"text with layout" out of FrameMaker? -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross References in Text Insets
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:43:23 -0600, Joy Kocar wrote: >Cross-references from one inset to another don't seem >to work. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know! It's a bit tricky. First of all, you need to place the xref marker directly in the inset file, not in the container. Do that by creating an xref to the para you want in the inset file itself, saving the inset file, then deleting the xref you just created. That leaves the necessary marker in place. Now, if you want an xref to a specific instance of the inset in a container, make your xref to the container file, not the inset, and select the marker you created in the inset, which will appear in the marker list for the container. To make an xref from an inset file to another inset, you need to open the referencing inset file itself, then open the container for the referenced inset, and select the pre-created marker in it as above. It doesn't make sense to reference an inset file directly, outside its container, unless the inset file is itself being used as a chapter file. If you are referencing between two insets in the same container file, you still need to create the xref directly in one inset file, referencing a marker in the other via the container file. So if you want to re-use the same pair of insets in multiple containers, you will need a separate xref for each container, using conditional text to exclude the ones you don't need in each instance. This gets hard to maintain pretty fast, but it is possible. For detailed step-by-step instructions, see par. 2.5.4, "Setting up cross references to and from text insets", in the Mif2Go User's Guide, which contains lots of helpful info even if you are not using Mif2Go: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/ohusergd/ HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text insets
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:54:21 +0200, "Markus Drenckhan" wrote: >thanks for your hint with the MIF file. I found out that >ist not the order of the text flow elements in the MIF file >but the value of the tag that determines the >order of appearance. If I change that value I can change >the order of appearance. Interesting! Thanks for digging that out! >Unfortunately there are quite some frames with RectIDs >in my documents (more than text frames) and changing the >values proves to be a tricky matter with unforeseeable >effects. But it seems to be the way to go. You should be OK if you keep the same values, but swap them around. That is, don't make up new values; you are almost certain to duplicate a value used elsewhere. But if you keep the same set of values and just reorder them, you should be fine. That's something that could be done by a very simple plugin, or maybe just a FrameScript or ExtendScript. I'd write it myself as a freebie if I had time. Any other FDK folks out there who want to? -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go XHTML output question
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:28:26 +, John Sgammato wrote: >Is there a way to generate XHTML output from a multi-chapter book as one big >HTML file? >I have an 8-chapter book but I want all the output text to be in one file, not >eight. People usually ask this about the Word RTF output, not about HTML. One file for the whole book? I'd expect the browser to crash, after loading for an hour... unless the book is very short. Nonetheless, the method for RTF will work as well for HTML; see User's Guide par. 5.3.2, "Producing a single RTF file from a FrameMaker book". Basically, you create a new Frame file and import all the chapters from the book into it by reference. You won't have working cross-references, of course, because they reference the individual chapters and not the container. And the numbering if any is unlikely to work; all the same ChapNum and SectNum, so every chapter is Chapter 1. But if those details don't matter, go for it. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go XHTML output question
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:06:54 -0400, Art Campbell wrote: >Rick Quatro has an elegant FrameScript that will merge all files in a book >into a single "new" FM file that you can then process through MIF2Go or any >other filter of your choice. Thanks for mentioning this! It sounds like a better answer than our current one, and we'd be happy to recommend it in the Mif2Go docs. What is its name? -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Save FrameMaker 10 files to be read in Word
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:23:28 +0100, "Andy Smith \(WFL\)" wrote: >I've been told in the past that it's possible to export >a FrameMaker file or book as a Word file. That's one of the major use cases for Mif2Go. Tou can export to Word with Track Changes locked on, so when your client edits you can see exactly what changed. Mif2Go produces a Word RTF file that closely resembles the Frame file, even simulating some of the Frame features Word does not support, like sideheads. You can download the free demo at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm If you like it, a single-seat license is only $295. Mif2Go is also free for the unemployed, underemployed consultants, academics, most nonprofits, and FOSS developers and documenters: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/offer.htm HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Save as HTML causes unstructured FM10 to hang
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:45:52 +, John Sgammato wrote: >We are converting our legacy FM content into a new >MindTouch knowledge base. We can populate the database >with thousands of pages of legacy content IF we can >provide MindTouch with a monolithic HTML file or CHM >for each book. Quite frankly, this "requirement" does not give me a good feeling about MindTouch... They made something that should be simple (one KB page per file) into a horror. >The CHM was problematic, so I tried the HTML. Did they want all the content of the CHM in one HTML file inside it too? If not, what was the problem with the CHM? Mif2Go produces a single CHM from a book just fine, no problem. >Now I am back to CHM-ville unless someone here can >point me in a promising direction for the HTML route. I think you need Rick Quatro to write you a script, or maybe a plugin, to make a single Frame file from your book. Then convert that one file with Mif2Go, which has no problem with files thousands of pages long, and you can give MindTouch what they want. I think that is your most cost-effective solution if the CHM doesn't work for them. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Save as HTML causes unstructured FM10 to hang
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:33:07 -0400, Jim Owens wrote: >If the book is smallish, why not just CTRL-A CTRL-C CTRL-V all the >chapters into a single Frame file? Because you'll have to recreate every xref and hyperlink, since they all point to the original files. Same problem with putting the chapters into a new file as insets. A plugin or script is really the only way to do it that can preserve links, and that's not a trivial task since the same link IDs can occur in multiple files. Calling Rick... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ANN: Mif2Go Version 4, Update 54, released
We are happy to announce the release of Mif2Go Version 4.0, Update 54, on May 1, 2012. We've been busy the last three years, so there are a huge number of improvements. The User's Guide lists them, in the "About" section, under "New Information". We have also replaced the Web site; you now go to http://mif2go.com for everything, including downloads, support tickets, forums, and even a blog, if you want to set one up (FrameMaker or Mif2Go related). The first time you go there, you need to register, as needed to exclude the spammers who keep trying to get on. You will get email from the system to confirm your addy, and after you do that it will notify us, so we can activate the account for you. When you register, you are asked for a "Bio"; this is how we identify spammers. Please put something more specific than "hot gal" there. We'll then set your account status so you can download the new Mif2Go demo version. (We've already notified our current customers.) All the best! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:01:28 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote: >To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code >that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, Java >Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all sorts of >output from DITA, but it can be a fair amount of work to set up and make >things look the way you want. To say the least. You need to become an XSLT programmer to use it for anything of commercial quality. And while it has a facility for adding your changes via plugins so that they survive version changes (which are frequent), there are still many reports of breakage from one rev to the next. IMHO, the OT is the most expensive free software ever created... ;-) >If you're using Frame for authoring DITA, >there's really no reason to use the OT for creating PDFs (it's way more >work and the results are far from stellar) .. Yes. Definitely use Frame for PDFs. In fact, even if you are not using Frame to author, using it with DITA-FMx for making PDFs is a better idea than using the OT. >however, it can be a good >option for online output *if* you're willing to do the coding to make >things work the way you want. Not just "willing", also capable. XSLT is a programming language, not a "scripting" language. It makes shell scripts, and even perl , look easy... If you want to get the flavor of it, get Michael Kay's book, ISBN 9781861005069, Wrox, $34.99 US, 972 pp., or a more recent edition of it (mine is 2001, before XSLT2). To attempt PDF, you also need Dave Pawson'r O'Reilly book on XSL-FO, another language of its own. >It is likely to be easier to use RoboHelp >(or Flare) to create the online output, but then you're paying for a >proprietary tool. You decide where you want to spend the money. :) Or, use DITA2Go, which is Mif2Go with a DITA front end, and which is *free* for everyone. DITA2Go produces all the outputs Mif2Go does, including Word RTF, from your ditamaps and bookmaps, and supports almost all DITA 1.2 features including keyrefs. To get it, sign up on: http://dita2go.com If "free" isn't important, WebWorks lets you include DITA, Frame, and Word sources in the very same project, the only tool I know of that does that with real single- sourcing (like *2Go), not just import. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Would like to get comments from people about my flow changes (Was RE: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10)
On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:07:03 -0700, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" wrote: >So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that >can be far more easily put into Confluence and am trying >to figure out the best way to proceed here. > >Do people have recommendations as to the best workflow >for this? I have changed the title of this thread to make >sure that I don't confuse everybody ... Mif2Go user Robert Lauriston is currently working on just that issue, and has found ways to produce pages *mostly* suitable for Confluence input. See his threads in the Forums under XHTML: http://mif2go.com/forums/mif2go/web/xhtml If you can't get to the link, create a free account for yourself on the home page: http://mif2go.com We require registration solely to prevent spammers from making the forums unusable, and approve them pretty quickly. When Robert is done, we'll probably bundle all his required settings into one, Confluence=Yes. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 on Win 7 x64 - Installation error - flash.ocx not part of Windows 7
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:09:13 -0700, "VLM TechSubs" wrote: >I realize that there are known problems using FM 8 on >Win 7, but it’s what I have available at the moment, >and I only need to work on a few small documents for >a few days on this particular machine. I also have FM8 installed on Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit, and did not see any such problem. It works fine; in fact, it's the version I use routinely rather than suffer through FM9, which I also have on the same machine... Is your FM8 fully patched, to 8.0p277? If not, I'd do that first... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
On Wed, 17 May 2006 16:23:46 +0200, "Jakob Fix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to >create PDF files, like this: > > ... > >Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them >the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting >PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes >the last page. > > ... > >What could the problem be, and how can I solve this? There seems to be an intermittent problem in Frame itself. When we added the ability to make PDF to our runfm.exe tool, we ran into this. We wound up having to set the property explicitly from the FDK immediately before printing to the PDF printer. After that, the trouble went away. You can use runfm to do this job, and you don't even need to buy Mif2Go to do it. You do need to download and install our demo version (at least the plugin parts): http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Full instructions on using runfm (a command-line app, so you can include it in .bat files) are in the User's Guide (WinHelp version in the demo, other versions available on the Downloads page). HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Find not finding
On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400, "Beck, Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any >imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can >include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find >function. That was the case with our problem. Thanks for reporting this to the list! I've always advised people to import Word files as plain text only, to avoid other problems I've seen (such as a char format named "Default P Format" [sic] applied to all the text in every para ;-), but this one is new to me. >Saving as MIF and then reopening and saving as *.fm resolved >the problem. This can be burdensome if you have lots of files to do. So we added it as a feature of the Mif2Go plugin; it's in the File menu as "Wash Via MIF". You don't need to buy Mif2Go to use it; just download the demo and install the plugin: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm It works on entire books as well as single files, way faster than you can do it by hand. Enjoy! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: autonumbering in Word
On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:21:46 -0400, "Fred Ridder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>From: Stuart Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Regrettably, Jon, it sounds from McGhie's explanation that even your >>exhaustively careful preparation of numbering will not immunize you from >>all risks of numbering disaster. Apparently all you have to do is copy some >>numbered (or just bulleted!) content from another document and paste it >>into yours... That's pretty broken, all right... >In my experience with Word, the only truly reliable way to handle >numbering in Word is to avoid the autonumber feature altogether >and instead roll your own with the SEQ field code, which you >wind up using in a way that is fundamentally pretty similar to >FrameMaker's paragraph numbering except that you have to >assign a name to each individual digit's counter rather than being >able to name a complete multi-digit series as in Frame. Yes, I agree. That's the method we use in Mif2Go to make "live" autonumbers in Word docs, based on the Frame counters. The drawback WRT maintenance in Word is that you have to copy the SEQ fields from another para of the same type, or painfully recreate them by hand, for new paras; you can't include SEQ fields (or bullets) in the para format as such. This leads to the best workaround of all: use Frame, and generate the Word version on demand. ;-) We have several customers who do exactly that. It's even possible to do it in what used to be an all-Word shop. After all, if they get working Word files, why do they care *how* they were created? >Unfortunately, since bullets use the same mechanism in Word, you >still have to live with bizarre behavior in that feature... Unless you use Frame/Mif2Go as your Word authoring tool... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Applying a character format to page number in index
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:36:51 -0400, "Nick Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have added a standard index to a book and it works and looks fine, but >now the client wants to change the color of the page numbers. On the >reference page I have changed it to look like this: >\t <$pagenum> Don't do it that way. Just apply the char format itself to the IndexIX para on the reference page; don't use the "" syntax. >Blue is a character format that turns the text blue. The problem is that >when I apply the style the hyperlinks are to the left of the page >numbers, so the page numbers themselves are not active links. The >appearance of the file is fine. Right. The hypertext marker comes at the start of the para, before the tab. If you apply the format normally, then the marker is included in the formatted area. We do this all the time. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Identifying the type of imported by copy files
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:44:23 +0100, Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >A friend has a FrameMaker file prepared on PC with figures >imported by copy that show up as gray boxes when viewed on >Mac - so no surprises there. Examination of the MIF shows >that they are bitmaps. Is there any way to identify the >embedded image types from the MIF? > >The bitmaps in the MIF are all prefixed by: > >=OLE2 You're hosed. OLE is a Windows-only technology. Basically, what is stored is not a bitmap, but a binary mini-filesystem in Microsoft's proprietary (and undocumented) Structured Storage format. The "files" in there contain the info that the original application that created the graphic needs to edit it, so in that sense the data is self-contained. For editing you need the application, but for view and print you do not, because one of the "files" is a WMF (metafile) that can be used for display... in Windows only. ;-) When we ran into this in Mif2Go, we reverse-engineered the MS format, and found a way to dig out that WMF. However, there is often more than one WMF, and identifying the right one to uses as the display image is tricky... and not always possible. So Mif2Go has an option that puts out *all* the WMFs in an OLE object as individual files, allowing you to choose the right one, if its "best guess" wasn't it. So you could use Mif2Go, on Windows, to extract the WMFs for your graphics... but WMFs are not viewable on the Mac. The next best choice would be to have Mif2Go use Frame's graphics export filters, in Windows, to produce bitmaps that *are* usable on Mac, like JPEGs. That would not require that you have the original application that was used to create the graphics; Frame and Mif2Go are enough. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: mif2go
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:42:47 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Does anyone know if Jeremy Griffith, the creator of mif2go, >is still on this list, or how to reach him? Yes, he is, as you well know. Public bullying does not impress him. Bad strategy, Paul. >I am having bizarre problems with mif2go (relating to memory, >I think), and two emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] last Thursday >have gone unanswered. It would have helped had you made the slightest effort to provide the sort of description and files requested in Appendix D of the User's Guide. Saying "something's wrong, here's my .ini file" doesn't cut it. You might also note that your two previous questions in the last week, no better presented than the latest two, *were* answered, patiently, both on the same day you asked. >I have wasted many hours on this. Yes, of your time and mine. Reading the User's Guide would really help. Please try it! ;-) >I have an important project to do, and I cannot finish it >due to persistent mif2go problems. Mif2go seems to be >remembering past settings, and no amount of re-booting my >PC or re-starting Frame makes much difference. As you know, such settings are remembered in the .ini file, and nowhere else. Rebooting without determining just what you have mis-set is not going to be helpful. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table sort order
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:00:09 +1200, "rebecca officer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm sorting a table and want to end up with the following order: >5 >5E >6 > >Instead, it gives me: >5 >6 >5E > >Can I change that? Yes. The quick fix is to put a fixed space after the single digits, with Esc space n (three sequential keystrokes), for example. Then the digits will sort as desired. It appears that although the proper ASCII sort *would* give the result you want, Frame sorts shorter strings first, and ignores any regular spaces after the text, but the fixed spaces work. I did test this, and it worked in FM 7.1b023. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go HTML setting
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:58:24 -0700 (PDT), John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, guys...I'm using Mif2Go (Version 3.3, Update 46) to convert to >HTML for the first time...I've been using it to convert to Word for >years. I've defined it to split at two headings, but it names them >with system names. > >I'd like to have it name each htm file with something understandable, >like the heading text as the file name. You can do that. You can also use a marker of type FileName. The hazard is that you can easily set two files to have the same name, resulting in the second one produced overwriting the first. This is hard to diagnose when it happens... and if you are giving names that are not guaranteed unique like the ones we generate, that is "when" and not "if". ;-) >I tried finding it in the help, but couldn't. Anyone give me a >pointer? The User's Guide has close to 7000 index entries, among them "FileName", which refers you to par. 27.7.3, "Using custom markers to name split and extract files". For the method using para format properties, see par. 27.7.4.1, "Constructing file names based on paragraph content". That method is marked as "deprecated" purely as a warning; it's way easier to create name conflicts automatically with it. Actually, we always maintain back compatibility, so you can use it safely (aside from the conflict problem). >BTW...so far, the results are superb. I love the new batch file for >installation, and it can only get better from here. Thank you! Yes, we have quite a few plans for making it better. We recently added Eclipse Help, for example, and some more surprises are coming soon. ;-) BTW, you may wonder why we use a simple .bat for install rather than an install program. It's for transparency. Many of our biggest customers are in defense, where you just don't want to run a program that may try to call home, make secret registry settings, or put files where your policies don't permit them. With our .bat, the IT folks can see exactly what will happen, and adjust the instructions as needed to comply with their policies. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Syntax for if/then statement
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:22:20 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Our new editor wants to add the word "and" to such statements - >if , AND then . Both I and the other >writer disagree with the editor on this one - it should be just >if/then - no "and." Yikes. You don't have to look for specific refs for geekspeak, this is just plain bad grammar. Look at a grammar reference. You don't use "and" to separate a conditional clause from the rest of its sentence! I'd seriously wonder if this person were qualified to edit *anything*. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: referenced graphics
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:28:10 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Does anyone know if there is a way to make mif2go >produce an rtf file that has linked graphics, rather >than embedded graphics? This would be from a frame >file with referenced graphics. It's possible, but not advisable. The trouble is that Word does not permit scaling of such graphics in RTF; for the graphic to appear at the correct size, it must be in an embedded WMF in the RTF. That said, if you simply make sure that Mif2Go cannot find (or generate) the referenced graphic in WMF or BMP form, it will be unable to embed, and you will get a reference instead. This is *not* recommended, but it does work. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Print book - separate print jobs
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:43:10 -0400, "Rick Quatro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yes, I can verify this behavior. When you print the Adobe PDF without >checking the Print to File checkbox, the book name is prepended to the >document name. To summarize, you have two easy workarounds. Interesting. I never noticed that before. Here's a third workaround: use runfm (free in the Mif2Go demo), and specify the names you want on the command line. Use one invocation for each file, and put them all in a .bat. That gives you one-click production of the PDFs with any names you please. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured FrameMaker and MS Word XML Import
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:00:20 -0700, "David Versdahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We are embarking on a new project with a new 1200 page book. There are two >audiences for this book. One is a subset of the other. The request is that >we base this book on a single MS Word document that is maintained by one or >engineers at different sites. That's asking for trouble. Word is simply incapable of handling complex 1200-page documents, or even simple 1000-page documents. It's in enough trouble with simple 300-page documents... ;-) >The content is constantly changing with the >addition of new material and the excising of outdated information. The >preference is to keep this a FrameMaker document so, we would take this Word >document and import it in some fashion into FrameMaker. The traditional >import function is impractical and tedious in this instance. Consider turning the problem around. Get the original material into FrameMaker, preferably as a book consisting of perhaps eight chapter files, whatever fits the doc structure. Then you can readily generate a single PDF. When you need to furnish it to the engineers in Word, use Mif2Go to produce the Word doc; many members of this list do that, and we don't know of a better way (truly, even if it is our product ;-). You will get a set of Word docs, not just one (one per chapter file), but that's what you need if anyone wants to edit it in Word. And you can force Track Changes on, so you can easily see what was altered and copy/paste it (as PLAIN TEXT) back into the FrameMaker doc. That way, your writer maintains control of doc integrity, which we consider very important. You don't want any old tweak made by a reviewer to go into the master FrameMaker doc without any authorial review, now do you? HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FW: FrameMaker mit Online-Hilfe in Hebräi sch/Arabisch
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:15:22 +0200, "Reng, Winfried Dr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >probably in the next year we have to translate a >FrameMaker book into Hebrew and Arabic and also >convert the translation into an HTML Help. As FM >cannot handle right-to-left languages I plan this: >o Convert the FM book to Word with Mif2Go. >o Get the Word file(s) translated. >o Convert the translated Word file(s) to HTML Help. > >Does anybody know a suitable converter? What about >WebWorks ePublisher Pro für Word? Does anyone use >it already? Can it handle Hebrew or Arabic? > >What do you do when you have to translate into >Hebrew or Arabic and convert into an online help? I'm not sure, but I'll bet our Mif2Go trainer/reseller in Israel knows: Steve Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go Help
On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:10:28 -0400, "smangold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I recently purchased Mif2Go to create html and xml files. Yes, thank you! >In both formats, Mif2Go appears to be inserting hard line >breaks that don't exist in the original Framemaker 7.1 >paragraphs. No, it doesn't do that. But without seeing a test case, we have no idea what might be happening. We only put in a < br > when there really is a hard return, or when you specify that you want to preserve line breaks with a "PRE" element specified in [ParaStyles]. In the latter case, you can remove them with: [HtmlOptions] UnwrapPRE=Yes >How do I get rid of these? It's a pain to have to remove >them by hand. We've done our best to ensure that you *never* need to post-process Mif2Go output. If the suggestion above does not fix the line breaks, please send us a one-page test case, as described in Appendix D of the User's Guide, and we'll look into the problem promptly. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. We're always glad to help. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Adobe Release: DITA and S1000D **Direct Link**
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:00:43 -0400, "Bernard Aschwanden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In case you want to jump right in: > >http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap Great! Unfortunately, the download link http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5Fframemaker%5Fap leads to a page that asks for Project Lightroom info. And when you try to make selections, they don't take. Attempts to continue send you back to "correct" your response. You can't download anything. Is this typical of the QA of the Application Pack? Gah! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Software Need - Advice and Recommendations Requested
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:26:00 -0400, "Loren R. Elks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Program Need >My company is looking for a program that will enable us to automate the >PDF process on our documentation. Currently generating PDF output from >our FrameMaker based documentation set is time consuming and user >dependant. Our current process leaves us open to user error and file >corruption. We would like to find a program that can generate PDF >output from FrameMaker Files that fits the following guidelines. Have a look at the free runfm.exe utility that comes with Mif2Go. Note that you do not need to purchase anything (including Mif2Go) to use it. The version in the demo software is fully functional; just install the demo, and it will work. No time limit or license restrictions. Download at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Also see the User's Guide, Chapter 29, "Converting via runfm" for more details. The WinHelp version of the UG is included in the demo package; many other formats are available (free) on the download page. >Program Minimum Requirements: >System requirements for automation software >Software must be compatible with: >* FrameMaker 7.2 >* Acrobat Professional 7.0 >* Acrobat Distiller 7.0 >* TimeSavers 4.0 from MicroType (we use this utility to make the links >in our documentation work) Yes. >Functional Requirements: >Software must be able to complete the following tasks: >* Open a FrameMaker .book or .fm file Yes. >* Update .book or .fm files to include recent page, link or content >changes We can add that easily. >* PDF using the TimeSavers setting (Use customized PDF Job Options and >can use a customized prologue and epilogue in the distillation of a >PDF.) Yes. >* Store document build information. Program can retain FrameMaker >information and PDF output settings so documents can be generated at a >later date without having to reprogram. Yes; the info is stored in Frame, just as with manual PDFing. >* Select individual PDFs to generate. Example, in a set of 60 guides we >should be able to tell the program to generate PDFs for a specific 10 >guides without having generate PDFs for all 60 guides. You specify books and Frame docs to open and close as you wish, interspersed with commands to PDF them. >Output Requirements: >Output must remain consistent with manual output. Manually generated PDF >must match Automated PDF exactly. Yes. >Other Requirements: >We would strongly prefer that the software found be able to handle the >changing of FrameMaker Variables on a Book level. However, if this >functionality is not found within a piece of software, we would still >consider its use. As in importing a Frame template with the right vars? We can add that too. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: "MIF"ed Newbie
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:01:22 -0700, "Steve Cavanaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >is there a way to prevent Frame from changing the >cross-references when saving as MIF and then >re-saving as .fm? Yes: save the .mif in the *same* dir as the .fm. Otherwise, Frame "corrects" *every* external ref, for xrefs, hyperlinks, graphics, and insets (at least). If you want the .mif to be in a different dir while you work on it, move it using Explorer *after* Frame produces it. That's what we do for the Mif2Go conversion to MIF, which works for individual .fm files or full books, and which we created so that we could put MIF files into CVS conveniently. We don't do that any more, but the MIF destination format choice lives on in Mif2Go, and works fine in the free demo version (which isn't size or time limited): http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Using that, you can specify any directory you want as the destination, and the files will work correctly when you put them back into the original directory. (Of course, if you open them in Frame in the other dir, they *won't* work. ;-) We generally name the MIF files .fm, so that references from the book file work; when Frame saves them next, it saves them in the real .fm binary format. Makes it easy. Mif2Go also has a "Wash via MIF" command, which saves files (or books) as MIF, then re-opens them and re-saves as .fm. This trip through MIF often cleans up oddities in the Frame files. That works fine in the free demo version too. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Generierte Verzeichnisse bei Suche ignorieren
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:05:23 +0200, Wolfgang Kühn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >kennt jemand von Euch einen Trick bzw. ein Tool/PlugIn/Script mit >welchen ich die generierten Verzeichnisse (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) aus meiner >Suche über ein Buch ausklammern kann? Babelfish says: Subject: Ignore generated listings with search Does someone know a trick and/or a Tool/PlugIn/Script with which I can exclude the generated listings (ToC/LoF/LoT/etc.) from my search over a book? Answer: Create a second book without the generated files in it, and search in that book. In German: Antwort: Stellen Sie ein zweites Buch ohne die erzeugten Akten in ihm, her und suchen Sie in diesem Buch. Mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Jeremy H. Griffith, Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fw: third party vendors
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:31:56 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Can someone tell me to what thread Karsten was replying? It certainly >wan't "Third party vendors"! I noticed that too. ;-) Looks like it was a reply to: >Subject: Parsing all folders... >From: "Michael Zaichenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:35:56 +0100 HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Copy into document graphics vs. Import by Reference
On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:06:41 +, Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As a side-issue to this discussion, is it true that a >graphic imported by copy retains no accessible path >information to the original imported file? Yes. It's easy to verify that; import one by copy, and look at the MIF. No name or path there. >If this is the case, I'd see it as a major demerit of >import by copy. In the work that I do, graphics change >pretty much as often as text, and the ability to generate >lists of imported files is mandatory. One of many major demerits, IMHO. To me, the sudden appearance of grey boxes where images used to be, which can be fixed only by re-importing those images (if you are fortunate enough to remember where they are and what they are named), is much worse. And that can happen at any time. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: External xrefs from FM to... CHM or HTML
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:07:55 -0500, "Nantel, Elise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >When in Robohelp, I merged the Reference Guide CHM file >into the Programmer Guide, and was able to do external >cross-references from the Programmer Guide to the >Reference Guide (typically on class or interface names). >However, now in FrameMaker, how can I do that? From what >I see, I can only do xrefs to another FM document. That's correct. Frame xrefs are only for use with other Frame docs. However, you can use Frame hypertext links to anything. To do that, you would place a Frame marker of type Hypertext with content like: message URL ./path/filename.htm#anchor for a file in a subdirectory below the Frame file. You need to specify a path that will be valid from the HTML produced for the Frame file. To mark the hotspot for the link, apply a char format (which can be all "as is") to the hotspot text; the marker must also be within the span of the char format. See the Frame docs for more on the many kinds of hypertext markers available. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: External xrefs from FM to... CHM or HTML
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:14:26 -0500, "Nantel, Elise" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thanks for this info. However, I have one question: >Since I'm not generating the target document (HTML or >CHM), how will I know the anchor to specify in the >Hypertext command? The "anchor" part in: message URL ./path/filename.htm#anchor is optional; use it if you need to point at a paragraph within the HTML file. For that, open the HTML file in Notepad and look for an anchor tag like at the start of the paragraph you want to display. Otherwise, if you want to show the HTML file at its top, just use: message URL ./path/filename.htm References to CHMs are a little trickier: message URL mk:@MSITStore:Helpfile.chm::/topic.htm#anchor The .chm must be in the same directory as the Frame- produced HTML file, unlass you can specify an absolute (not relative) path to it that will be valid on all users' machines. Registering the .chm doesn't help. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [Techshoret] MIf2Go question
On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:42:56 +0200, "Earl (Esar) Rudnikoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Set your conditions in the FM file. The help file will >show the same condition. Correct. An easy way to do this is to create a "conversion template", a Frame doc that has the conditions set as you want them. You can also use the conversion template to modify xref formats (as in removing page numbers) and to change para and char formats (for which Mif2Go will write the correesponding CSS for you). Mif2Go imports the template formats at conversion time, without affecting the original Frame files. This is all explained in the User's Guide, par. 2.3, "Importing formats from a conversion template". HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Translators and Word vs FM
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:22:16 +, "Bodvar Bjorgvinsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >So, why should it be any more complicated for a US citizen to purchase >from a foreign country in the local monetary system than vice versa? Because US banks, unlike those in other countries, charge extortionate fees for any transaction involving "foreigh exchange". For example, mine charges $US75 *minimum* to process a check not in $US. Even in $CAN. Canadian banks are far more accomodating, as are those in the rest of the world, AFAIK. Of course, credit-card payment eliminates the problem, as credit-card companies automatically handle the exchange at market rates. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:56:46 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Mif2Go rtf output is "editable" but it depends on what that consists of.
>Mif2Go basically strips the automation from the file and puts in manual
>characters.
Not always. Where Word doesn't offer anything close, we do
output the Frame content as plain text. But for autonumbers
and xrefs, for example, there are other options.
>For example, all bullets and numbers in lists are like keyed entries. You
>can attach and load your Word template, apply an automated style, but
>you will still have the hard bullet or number to deal with. For
>extensive or long term "editing" there will need to be a clever
>automated method of removing the manual bullets and numbers. Unless
>someone knows a trick that I don't.
We considered supporting Word's regular "bullet and numbering"
feature, but decided not to because it is really unstable,
especially for large docs such as those commonly produced in
Frame. When you are producing Word docs for review purposes,
it's really best to use the default plain text, as that way
you can find the matching Frame para more easily to make any
corrections. If however you are migrating to Word, you can
choose to use SEQ fields which closely emulate Frame's own
autonumbering. That's what Word power users prefer, so Mif2Go
does produce them automatically on request. SEQ fields are
stable, and easily copied for new paragraphs.
>Also cross-refs and variables become keyed characters, rather than
>automated,
By default, xrefs remain *live* xrefs, with added hyperlinks
to emulate Frame capabilities. You can make them plain text if
you prefer. Variables are not well supported in Word, and do
become plain text.
>and I think the non-breaking space or something in Frame
>cross-refs is turned into a sort of o reverse bullet. Someone will want
>those removed.
Sounds like you have Word's settings to view special characters
on. You control that in Word, under Tools | Options | View.
We also use Word hidden text to support features that Word
doesn't allow directly, like refs to page numbers in another
document. If you turn on viewing of hidden text, you'll see
those; or you can turn off that Mif2Go feature and get plain
text page numbers. Your call.
>There are other matters I don't immediately recall.
>Someone will also want to resave the rtf output as doc before
>editing--the rtf becomes unwieldy.
True, especially if you have large bitmaps with 24-bit color
("millions of colors"), for which RTF lacks any compression,
or if you want to support multiple Word versions conveniently.
>There are other limitations I don't recall offhand. But if you just want
>a Frame format mirrored in Word, for temporary use, Mif2Go does well.
>Definitely try it first to see if it will work for you and yours.
Thanks! Those interested can download the current demo version:
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
HTH!
-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: How long to learn FrameScript?
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:45:44 -0800, "Diane Gaskill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm considering asking my manager to buy FrameScript for me and I have to >justify it of course. Does anyone have any data on how long it takes to >become reasonably proficient using it. I have 4 years of sw dev experience >and 15 years of FM experience. I think the cost ($150), plus Rick's book ($100), is easy to justify; if you save four hours, it's paid. That's easy, and you've gotten lots of good answers on this thread for the details. However, I see you have "4 years of sw dev experience". What languages did you use? FrameScript has a VBA-like flavor; if you like VBA, it is easy to learn it. But if you prefer C/C++, you may be happier with the FDK, which is free from Adobe: http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/framemaker/fdk/index_7_2.html That's the 7.2 FDK, but if you don't have VS 2003 you might want an earlier version; we still use 6.0, which works fine with FM 7.2. WRT Frame itself, FrameScript is pretty much an FDK wrapper. It has some non-Frame functionality, like what you'd get from wrapping the WinAPI and ODBC, for example. The FDK is a more advanced tool, but it's best used by an *experienced* C/C++ programmer who already has a suitable IDE on hand: VS4 or later for Windows, CodeWarrior 6 for Mac Classic (FDK 7.0 is the last Mac version), or native cc for Unix. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Weird Frame to PDF problem
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:47:12 -0800, "Gillian Flato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am working on a network drive. And there you have it. >Does this give anyone any ideas? As we get toward release time, I am >constantly rebuilding this PDF. This problem is really hosing me up. Frame has *never* worked properly with network drives. Sad, considering it was born on UNIX, but true. Work on a local drive, then copy the end result to the network. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Weird Frame to PDF problem
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:26:22 -0500, "John Sgammato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I work with Frame over a network every day. I produce a >number of books using hundreds of files, and none of them >are on my local machine. FrameMaker is on my local machine, >and everything else is on the network. I have done this for >years without incident. No doubt. But many other people have not had this happy an experience. Check the archives of this list for many reports. In particular, trouble often occurs after a file is opened successfully; sometimes there is a failure when it is saved, sometimes when it's used in generating a book, etc. It's not totally predictable. But it's something to check, first. >Frame has often had trouble with networks, So it appears we agree. >but to say it has "never worked" over a network is hyperbole Please! Spare me the misquote! I said "*never* worked properly", and leaving off the qualifier is quite a misrepresentation! >that may cause Gillian to miss a more important problem. Nope. The point is, she can quickly determine if that is the problem by *trying* it locally. If the problem goes away, she can continue with her project. If it doesn't, she needs to continue troubleshooting. It's a quick and easy test to make. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Expanding text in Framemaker
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:15:00 -0500, "sulbha bahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I am creating the chm using Mif2Go and also generating PDF output. Would >expanding text work with CHMS and PDFs? It does for CHMs (and any other HTML-based Help). I don't know about PDFs; check <http://www.microtype.com> for the best info around on those. >http://www.indoition.com/en/007.html states Mif2Go has "no built-in >support for some advanced online-help features such as expandable >sections". The key word there is "built-in". The HTML Help Workshop help file explains how to add the required HTML and JS code for expanding sections. Mif2Go then lets you automate the insertion of such code, but the generation of the code is not automatic. For example, suppose you want to have a link: Click for more. which displays this text: Here is a more detailed explanation. One way would be to put in the above text in Frame with the first paragraph format ClickLink and the second ClickText. Then in mif2htm.ini you'd put macros containing the required HTML code for each paragraph type. Or if your link text was always the same, you could include that in the macro too, and just have the text for the expanded part in Frame. Or use a button. This is why we don't provide a "canned" method (and why Microsoft doesn't either); this is best designed to fit your specific needs. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Reasons to Structure
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:27:15 -0500, "Ridder, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The point is that you tag a UI element as a UI element because >it is a UI element. You make it bold (or whatever) at a later point >in the process based on how you choose to format the semantically >tagged elements for a given deliverable. Excellent point! I totally agree, and use that for character formats at every opportunity. You wind up with more formats, many of which are specified identically, but that's a small price to pay. You can do the same with paragraph formats, too. But you can do all that in UNstructured docs just as easily as in structured. Maybe *more* easily, when you factor in the time to set up your structure, and to modify it when you make changes, which is major. I've only been able to identify one situation in which structured Frame can do this better than unstructured, and that's when you'd want nested element tags within a paragraph, since you cam't nest character formats. (There are easy workarounds for creating the equivalent of nested paragraph formats, such as using start/end formats and/or markers.) OTOH, I have yet to see a non-hypothetical case where such nested char formats were really needed... Structured Frame is designed for large pubs groups where standard document designs are required, perhaps for ISO 9000, perhaps for other corporate policy reasons. For smaller groups, and especially for lone writers, the setup costs (time and consultants) are likely to exceed the benefits, much like a CMS (Content Management System) can. There are excellent consultants around, many on this list, for whom it is a breeze. If you decide to go this way, hire one. It will prevent much anguish and hair loss. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Reasons to Structure
ent example of anything groundbreaking in the area of techcomm >that specifically involved unstructured content. The Web? You don't consider HTML an example of structured content, do you? It qualifies in only the most technical sense... and most pages violate even its simple DTDs grossly. Or maybe it's not recent enough for you? >- Always beware of the typewriter salesman when you are reading >the computer brochure. You consider me a "typewriter salesman"??? LOL! It's true that when I was first a pubs manager, we did our output (for power-plant manuals) on IBM Model C's, but then the Selectric came out. I also worked with MTST and MTSC systems, wrote the first screen-oriented editor for CP/M (and the first Z-80 symbolic debugger), wrote software for the first "affordable" ($9,995) dedicated word processor, and did typesetting on an XDS-940 mainframe driving a Mergenthaler V-I-P photocomposer. I've always been on the bleeding edge of tech publications... not the trailing edge. However, more to the point, unlike the typewriter salesman I make *nothing* when people stay with unstructured Frame. You, OTOH, make your living from people who go structured. Perhaps it's the *computer* salesman you need to watch? ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: rant moan fm to word rant moan
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:32:02 -, "Gordon McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a >requirement to produce "editable" versions of part of the product docs set. >Having laughed off FMs "Save As" feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF >file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text >within frames in the Word doc, and then recalled discussions here about >Mif2Go. That's us. ;-) >It's far better than the other options but it's still not all that great, >the bulk of the text is fine but any images which have callouts just get >borked. They shouldn't. You have two options, "fast" and "better". For fast, we export the whole frame contents, including callouts, using Frame's own graphic export filters to WMF. That generates an image at screen resolution, which is fine for on-line use but not so good in print. Or Mif2Go can process the Frame elements itself and make the WMF at full original resolution. However, it only knows BMP and WMF bitmaps, so you need to provide such if the one used in Frame is any other bitmap format, like TIFF or JPEG. You do that by converting the referenced image file and putting the new one in the same directory. There are a couple of settings to enable this in mif2rtf.ini; see the User's Guide, par. 5.16, "Converting graphics for print RTF". >So, I guess I'm asking for any suggestions or tips in improving the Mif2Go >output. I'm trawling through their help file at the moment but, as ever, I'm >sure someone out there has some top tips? All this is explained in the User's Guide, Chapter 26, "Working with graphics". HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross Refs, Structured FM, and WWP
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:35:28 -0500, "Lofthouse Marsha-PT1816" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >FM 7.2b128 - Structured >WWP 8.6.6587.0 (Yes, I know it is old.) > >I sent the following query to the WebWorks list but got no replies. I'm >hoping someone here can help... > >After searching through the WWP list archives, I notice that cross >references were not (are not?) working with structured FrameMaker and >ePub Pro. I am using structured FM and WWP 8 creating uncompiled >HTML-based help (Webworks Help 4.0). I cannot get my cross references to >work. Structured xrefs are different from unstructured ones internally. I'm rather surprised that WWP doesn't support them, but if that is the case, you may want to know that Mif2Go always has... no added work required, it's automatic. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross Refs, Structured FM, and WWP
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:13:55 -0500, "Rick Quatro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >One other way to fix this is to use FrameScript or an API client to >temporarily convert the cross-references into spot cross-references. This >involves inserting a Cross-Ref marker at the source and setting its text to >the unique id. Then the cross-reference properties are changed so that the >cross-reference points to the marker. WWP will then treat this as an >unstructured cross-reference. Interesting, but I see a practical problem. You'd need to set the xref markers for every element in the doc, to be sure of covering all the potential xref targets. It's not enough to cover only those that are referenced within the doc, because then xrefs from other docs, in the same book or in other books, would still break. Risky. Likewise, the change couldn't really be temporary, as you'd never know when a new xref might be made from another doc. And for the same reason, the process would have to run every time you added a new element, or copied one (resulting in a new ID). That would add a great many xref markers, which in turn would make working with the rest of the markers more challenging. You'd have to use Find almost all the time... >I agree that this is not an ideal situation, but it may be more reasonable >than changing your workflow. Not so sure about that. Switching between WWP (or ePub) and Mif2Go doesn't really change workflow. There's some initial setup, but thereafter it's essentially the same. And Mif2Go's included automation tool, runfm, can simplify it further; the corresponding WWP tool, AutoMap, costs $20K, IIRC... ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Improvements
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:40:43 -0500, "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The easiest way to clean them up is to "wash" the file by saving to >MIF and opening and saving that version. > >omsys.com has a utility program that does these steps for you. Actually, it's not a separate utility, it's part of our main plugin. You can obtain the free unlimited demo version at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm and install at least the Frame plugin DLLs (two of them). Then "Wash Via MIF" will appear on your File menu, and you can do it for all files in a book with one click using Shift-File from a book. There are other handy utilities in there too... like our automation tool, runfm. All free. >And Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in is a must-have if you're going >to be working with tables very much. I totally agree. In fact, I think there's a much better chance that Rick's plugin will fix the OP's problem than that Wash Via MIF will... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framescript capabalities
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:52:33 -0400, "Frank Elmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yes, you can do this with FrameScript. You would need to come up with a >naming scheme for the new files you would create. With FrameScript, you can >scan through all the documents in a book for tables and figures. When you >find one, you create a new document, copy the table/figure to the new >document, save the document, then insert a hypertext marker in place of the >table/figure, using the name of the file. That would work, but then what you'd have would be a whole bunch of little Frame files. For tables, there's no other option, since they are not referencable the way graphics are. You could, however, re-import the table files as insets instead of hyperlinking to them; I'm sure FrameScript can do that too, since the FDK can. For the figures, though, I wonder if the OP actually wants to have them referenced within their anchored frames, rather than copied into them. If so, that can't be done with the FDK; if you use Frame's native graphic export filters, you get a very poor rendition of the original, at screen (96dpi) resolution, which will not print well. However, Mif2Go can export the graphics as the original graphic files that were imported, except that the original name is lost (Frame doesn't keep it). These are at the full resolution of the originals, and can then be imported over the originals (replacing them in their frames) by reference. You don't have to buy Mif2Go to do this, the demo version does the job nicely: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm In the User's Guide, refer to par. 26.2.3.2, "Exporting embedded graphics before converting" and the two following paragraphs for the details. The graphics come out with names like "yourfile001.gif", and the sequence is *not* that of the images in Frame; it's probably the order in which they were originally imported. So you'll want to "preview" them before you import them back in. A handy way to do this is... with Word.Once you're sure you have the right one for the anchored frame before you, select the image (not the frame!) in Frame, and use File | Import to replace it. That way you don't have to resize, and any Frame additions (like callouts) remain in place. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Left-brain/right-brain: FrameMaker and XHTML
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:40:58 +, Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It occurs to me that as FrameMaker comes with an >'out of the box' XHTML structured application, it >might be a useful tool for prototyping web content >(without any WYSIWYG) prior to export into a web >development app such as Dreamweaver. > >Has anyone used it like this? Did it work for you? Yes. Our own Web site is in Frame: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/omni.htm and I've done several for friends that way too. One benefit is the ability to make a PDF of the entire site, as in this one: http://www.amyneustein.com/contact.htm Media people love that; they can grab one PDF, and refer to it off-line while writing their story. (Amy is a *very* public figure in NYC.) We do all this with Mif2Go, of course; it's not hard. In fact, we have single-click updating, using runfm from a .bat to make the HTML, PDF, and the .zips in one shot. After a final check, a second .bat sends them all to the site by ftp. Takes five minutes after the editing in Frame is done, and never requires *any* postprocess. The Frame docs are all UNstructured, and I can't imagine what benefit structure would bring to something as free-form as a Web site... ;-) HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Table anchors and extra spaces in sideheads ...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:36:55 -0700, Syed Zaeem Hosain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >the extra space does not go away (although it is less than before >due to the font size) - remains the same as if I had left the >space setting at 0! > >Any hints as to how to fix this extra space problem? Remember, in Frame the space between two paras is the *greater* of the space below the top one and the space above the bottom one, unlike Word, where it's the sum. So if you have negative space below, but the next para has zero space above, you get zero. You need to make the next para's space above negative too, the same as the space below the upper para, to get the overlap. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go question
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:09:33 -0400, "Al Friend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >When I export to rtf, the title and para number switch places, so that it >looks like this: > >References1.3. Documents referenced in this procedure ... > >I tried deleting the Paralts element and placing the numbering in the Title >element as a workaround, but it STILL put the number after the title! > >What the heck? We can't tell without seeing a test case; we've never seen this happen before. Please put together a *one-page* test case, with the files listed in the User's Guide, Appendix D, and send it to the address given there (*not* the one in this post) inside a single .zip file. Then we'll identify and fix the problem promptly. Thanks! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: ANN: Mif2Go supports DITA from UNstructured FrameMaker
Yes, that's right. Our latest Mif2Go release, 48, enables you to make DITA topics and maps directly from UNstructured FrameMaker files. We support DITA 1.1, including the new glossentry topic type, out of the box. We even make it easy to add your own specializations. And you can optionally run it all as a batch process with our runfm utility. Of course, we also support DITA from structured FrameMaker files. In fact, you can even use our DITA output to get from unstructured to structured FrameMaker, without a conversion table. You do have to map formats to elements, but that's a simple process, basically "formatname=element". We've added three chapters on DITA to the User's Guide, with plenty of explanations and examples. We think this capability makes keeping FrameMaker as your single-sourcing authoring environment a better choice than ever. Set it up once, then get valid DITA with a few mouse clicks, along with professional PDFs via FrameMaker, Word on demand, and a long list of Help formats (WinHelp, HTML Help, Eclipse Help, JavaHelp, Oracle Help for Java, and open-source cross-platform OmniHelp) plus HTML, XHTML, and XML as you like it. No other workflow gives you so much, so easily, at such a low cost in both time and money. Try it yourself; the free unlimited demo is at: <http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm>. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
What next for Mif2Go?
Now that we've finished adding DITA support to Mif2Go, we're in the process of deciding what to do next. We have many ideas on the table, but no one of them stands out as the obvious next place to put our energies. So we're asking *you*. What do you want that we don't already do? Answer on-list or off, as you please; we figure it's on-topic for FrameMaker users in general, but if others don't think so, we can move it off list. Here are a few of our own ideas, to get the ball rolling: * Go2Mif, a utility to assist in importing Word, HTML, and XML files into FrameMaker. (Yes, we already own that domain name. ;-) * Rtf2Go, the same outputs as Mif2Go, but with a VBA front end to run in ... Word. (And we own that domain, too. ) * Logging and reporting facility for Mif2Go, identifying (and linking to) problematic places in FrameMaker docs found during conversion. We have lots more, but what really counts is what *you* want. Please do tell us! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker.next
On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:08:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00), Diane Gaskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I >cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when >you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and >also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product >described in the same set of files. I can imagine it quite easily... think "combinatorial explosion". With the present system, when you have more than one axis, like say "product" and "country", each with two or more values, say pot/pan and UK/US, you have a problem with unwanted intersections. If you say to include pot and US, and exclude pan and UK, you'll be surprised to see that pan/US and pot/UK are both present. This is because when categories overlap and one is in and one is out, the combination is in. To prevent that, in the situation above, you need tags for pot (not US/UK), pan (not US/UK), US (not pot/pan), UK (not pot/pan), pot-US, pot-UK, pan-US, and pan-UK. That's the simplest case, and it needs eight tags. Add another axis, like user/admin, and see what happens... Hint: it's *more* than 16. ;-) >How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? That's the problem, all right. Managing it all. I've been sorely tempted to write a free plugin to do that, where you could have boolean logic that included more than "OR". Perhaps this is a feature in the next FM. I don't know, myself, but I'd love to see it. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Confused about hexadecimal codes
On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:43:58 +0100, Pat Bensky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'm fiddling about with a program that creates MIF files and changing one of >its behaviours - instead of inserting character tags for special characters, >such as , I want to use the hexadecimal code. According to the >Frame Character_Sets manual, the hex code for a tab (for example) is \x08. >However logic - and every other hex code reference that I've checked - tells >me it's 09, not 08 (logical because the ASCII code for a tab is 9). 08 is >the code for a backspace. Even odder is that the 08 code does seem to work >as a tab with FrameMaker. > >Why is this different? And how can I tell which other codes are different >from the standard set, other than checking each one individually? > >I'm puzzled about this! Anybody got any answers? FrameMaker uses its own character set internally, similar to (but not identical to) the Mac character set. It's documented in the FrameMaker Quick Reference booklet, and in: \yourframedir\OnlineManuals\Character_Sets.pdf which appears to be the doc you are looking at. A *lot* of codes are different from the standard ANSI set. We use mapping tables in Mif2Go. Note that for "dingbats" fonts, the mapping is *different* from that for "normal" fonts. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Content reuse with Frame + DITA?
On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:30:45 -0700, Scott Prentice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It's a good practice to avoid conditional content within >index entries .. it's one thing to include/exclude a marker >in a specific output, but if you start messing with words >within a marker, you'll go nuts. It's not only good practice, it's the law. ;-) Frame *implements* conditional text using markers. So it's flat-out impossible to conditionalize *within* a marker. As Scott says, the closest you can get to that is: >you'd need to create duplicate markers with different text, >and conditionalize each marker accordingly. However this >is difficult to maintain ... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Cross-reference break after sorting Table - Frame 7.2
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:23:06 -0700 (PDT), David Spreadbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is this a new problem or has someone experienced this and >I missed the fix/workaround. A very old problem. > I have a 50 page table of Acronyms and Glossary Terms with >cross-references between cells. The cross-references work fine >until I sort the table, then they are all broken. There are 163 >Unresolved cross-references. The only workaround I've heard about (and *not* tested) is to change the Cross-Reference marker type to something else (like ref) before the sort, and change it back after. It seems that Frame perversely removes all Cross-Reference markers, but leaves others alone. FWIW. There are a few tools that can aid in this, including the freeware "cud" MarkerWorker tool, available at: http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/ Note that the docs for it (and for the rest of cud's tools there) are in CudSpanDocs.pdf there. And Leximation has MarkerTool: http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Link on Index References in PDF
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:40:05 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Yes, I did download a trial version and I've finished taking it for a >spin. It does exactly what I needed. Sundorne Communications has another >happy customer! You're not the only one! In the Mif2Go User's Guide, we recommend IndexRef in par. 4.6.4, "Making See and See also index entries into useful links" and in two other places: http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/IndexRef/indexref.htm We also recommend Ian's free SetPrint plugin in three other places. We use both on all of our own systems. The one time we asked for help with a problem, we got an instant fix of the plugin a day later. Highly recommended. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Paragraph numbering issue
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:07:09 -0700, William Abernathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have set the paragraph numbering properties to continue paragraph numbering >from chapter to chapter, under the theory that the C: series will be reset by >the chapter title regardless. Haven't tested it, but that sounds right. >Nonetheless, the R: series doggedly resets at the chapter breaks. *Where* did you set the numbering properties? The settings made from the book file override those made from the chapter file. Sounds like the book could be resetting the paragraph numbering. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Save book as postcript
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:20:42 +0200, "Morten Guldahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Peter (Gold) is absolutely right in his assumption that I want to >manipulate a collection of books. I have several such collections - one >of which contains close to 30 books. I use DoBatch to open and update >all books in these book collections, and as I said in my original >posting - someone has told me there was a new version of DoBatch that >allows me to batch-print to PostScript as well. > >(Before I moved to Windows, I used to use fmbatch for this.) Since you are on Windows, you can use the demo version of Mif2Go for this. The runfm utility in Mif2Go is fully functional in the demo; you don't have to purchase Mif2Go to use it for producing print and PDF projects. You can download the demo, and the User's Guide in your choice of many formats (including PDF), at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm You do need to install it; runfm uses the plugin to run the projects. See Chapter 32, "Converting via runfm", for the details. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Report FrameMaker 9 plugin compatibilities here
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:36:15 -0600, "Mike Wickham" wrote: >A question that comes up with each new FrameMaker release is, "are my old >plugins still compatible?" So I thought I'd start a thread where we can >report plugins that do or don't work with FrameMaker 9. The thread would be >especially invaluable if plugin developers would chime in about their own >company's plugins. Mif2Go works fine with FM9. We had one little tweak in the plugin, and that's up as a beta (b110b.zip) on the regular download pages. Aside from that, no problems. The MIF it produces is almost identical to that for FM8. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:43:49 -0700, "Lucie Haskins" wrote: >Now, *why* FM didn't automatically update to 273 when >I asked it to earlier this past weekend, I'll never >know. It just updated me to 266... It's because you were at 236, the one before 266. Since updates are sequential, and not cumulative, it chose the one for the level you were at, 236; it couldn't choose either of the later ones, because you weren't at the level they required yet. Likewise, when you were at 266, it could offer the one to 273, but not the last one, to 277. There are three FM8 patches shown at: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows 8.0.1 English, French, German; from 236 to 266 8.0.2 English, French, German; from 266 to 273 8.0.4 English, French, German, Japanese; from 273 to 277 The missing one, 8.0.3, had some nasty bugs and was replaced by 8.0.4, which I'm still not willing to install myself... ;-) One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same "improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277, you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Looking for software to convert Framemaker 7 sources to clean HTML (for HTML Help) supporting multiple languages
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:34:07 -0500, Celine Deguire wrote: >I am looking for a software to convert Framemaker 7.2 documentation sources >to clean HTML (for HTML Help). I have been reviewing Mif2Go and was >convinced it was the good option until I just read in the product >documentation "Mif2Go does not currently support Japanese". I need this >product to work with multiple international languages including German, >Japanese, Russian, and Chinese as well as many others. The "currently" would have been for versions before Frame 8, which did not use Unicode. So if you were to upgrade your Frame 7.2 to 8 (for which sealed-box upgrades should still be available on eBay), or 9, you would be able to support Japanese, Korean, and Chinese, including Chinese using ExtB (which Frame doesn't display, but which is present). We've always supported Russian, Greek, CE, and others, just not double-byte (CJK, pre-8) or RTL (Hebrew, Arabic, and Farsi, which Frame doesn't support itself either). We have as many customers in Europe and the Mideast as in the US. If you are using Asian languages much, you really should get at least Frame 8 anyway, since it allows *much* better use of multiple languages in one document, and supports pretty much *all* Unicode characters in the BMP (assuming you have Unicode fonts that contain them). HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Mif2Go: adding watermark to CHM
On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:50:40 -0400, Jim Owens wrote: >When I compile the HTML files from HTML Help Workshop: > >- if a single topic has a markup, then in >the CHM, that topic has the background image, tiled, and all the other >topics have the background image, non-tiled and centred as specified in >the CSS file. > >- if no topics have a markup, then the CHM >does not have any background images, even though the CSS specifies one. > >Fully repeatable, and at this point Mif2Go is not involved. Have I >discovered a new Help Compiler bug, or is there still something I'm missing? It's a Help Compiler feature, not a bug. ;-) The watermark only show up when you mention the graphic in a topic because otherwise the compiler doesn't know it's part of the project, and doesn't include it in the CHM. (The compiler can't parse the CSS to find it.) But when you do mention it, that overrides the CSS for that file. So *don't* mention it in any topic, but *do* include it by name in the [Files] section of the .hhp. Easy one. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Frame crashes when importing large XML file
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:40:36 -0400, Art Campbell wrote: >or that there's some type of content in the ~250 file >range that's causing an error. Adding to Art's thought, have you tried validating the file, to see if there is a well-formedness error or other such problem from which Frame can't recover? I do suspect you're pushing some internal limit here. The 250 is suspiciously close to 255... the max value of a byte, a limit a careless programmer could have imposed unknowingly, possibly in EDD processing. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Frame crashes when importing large XML file
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:28:23 -0700, "Diane Gaskill" wrote: >3. From the drop-down list, select Hitachi-RAID (EN), and then click >Continue. (This uses a custom XSL file from our tools group) > >4. An error message "Validation of XML file failed." appears. We ignore >the message and click OK to continue processing. The Save Book dialog box >appears. Then I'd say you've isolated it to a validation error introduced by the custom XSL. To check that, try using the DocBook EDD that comes out of the box with Frame, with no XSL. Any difference? -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Creating a Topic ID in FrameMaker for generating HTML help using Mif2Go
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:30:20 +0200, Mark Soiseth wrote: >We use FrameMaker 8.0p277 to generate our manuals and then we use >Mif2Go to generate HTML help from the same files. > >The system works but now they want to introduce a few topic IDs. In >other words, they want the help button, in certain circumstances, to >open the HTML help at certain topics. That is best done using "aliases". >I understand how that works, but I'm quite sure that Mif2Go generates >the topic IDs each time it generates the HTML help. Therefore, the >topic ID may be internally valid, but might not be the same from one >build of the help to the next. They would need to know what the topic >ID is before they build the software but, because the help is built >after the application, it would not work. Wrong. If you are talking about filenames of type "aa123456.htm", they *are* persistent. In fact, the only way you can get them to change is to delete the starting head for the file and recreate it. See User's Guide par. 17.4.1.1, "Keeping split and extract file names unique". But that really doesn't matter, because you can use aliases rather than filenames in HTML Help (and in other Help formats too). >Is there any way I can set a secondary topic ID in FrameMaker that >Mif2Go will keep? I seem to recall having read a long time ago that I >could set a certain type of marker with defined content (such as >"HelpTopic"). And that Mif2Go would use that marker to create a topic >ID. > >Does this sound familiar to anyone? Yes. ;-) It's fully explained in par. 8.11, "Setting up CSH for HTML Help". CSH means "context-sensitive help", and that's what you are talking about here. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Importing HTML files into FrameMaker 8.p257 or thereabouts: some questions
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:10:30 +0200, "Shell, Robert" wrote: >I have a huge and thankless job of preparing and indexing many thousands of >poorly scanned documents from HTML into FM for professional use. I do not >think there are many shortcuts, but I wonder if there is some way to import >the html text and or tables so that they can be placed in FM tables *more or >less* as they first appeared. I have looked at the FM manuals, but this >procedure seems to be a will o' the wisp. The www claims there are filters, >but the urls expired a long time ago. Maybe I am missing something? >I am so thankful for this list! Our condolences. ;-) One possibility you might look at is Madcap's Flare. It imports HTML, and exports Frame. I haven't used it myself, but they do have a trial version, so you could see if it would work with your content. It's a bit pricey ($899), but with "thousands of docs" that comes out to under $1 each, and I suspect your time is worth more than that. ;-) The import/output list for Flare 5 is at: http://www.madcapsoftware.com/products/flare/features.aspx And I've heard good things about their tech support, which you surely will need on a project of this sort... HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:43:46 -0700, Alison Craig wrote: >As a novice Frame user, I am currently doing the same thing (taking a 350 page >Word manual and moving to FrameMaker 9). > >As a long time, highly skilled Word user, I know from experience that there is >a mountain of invisible crap in the Word doc - so my best advice is to not >import the Word document at all! > >Instead, save the Word doc as a text file, open the text file in something >like Notepad, then copy in the plain text and completely reformat the Frame >doc from scratch. This may be more work in the short term, but you'll create a >better template and avoid any hassles that importing Word files could cause >down the road. > >Yes, this means you have to deal with everything (graphics, master pages, etc) >from scratch. But it also gives you the chance to begin your Frame career with >a "best practices for FrameMaker" approach rather than a "I have to live with >Word-defined stuff even though I'm now working in Frame" approach. > >I have no doubt this is taking me longer, but I am more confident about the >results. +1!!! Alison is absolutely right. I couldn't say it better. Don't even consider using Frame's Word or RTF import. Bring in the content as plain text by Copy in Word and Paste Special>Text in Frame. You will be very glad you did. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:03:13 +0100, Steve Rickaby wrote: >At 15:00 -0700 13/7/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > >>Alison is absolutely right. I couldn't say it better. Don't even >>consider using Frame's Word or RTF import. Bring in the content as >>plain text by Copy in Word and Paste Special>Text in Frame. You >>will be very glad you did. > >Picking up on this, Jeremy, does the above still apply if you include >MIF-washing the results as part of an RTF-based Word import procedure? MIF-washing won't do you a bit of good with import issues. It can be very helpful when the binary Frame file itself has become somewhat corrupt internally, but that's not the case with the import issues. >As always, Word offers innumerable tar-pits for the unwary or naive. Indeed. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
What is the optimum way to generate PDF?
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:43:50 -0500, "Kelly McDaniel" wrote: >I use .bat files and runfm.exe to produce postscript files from >FrameMaker, drop them into a watched folder, then a .bat file opens >Distiller, creating PDFs. Other .bat files copy the finished PDFs >to the product build pickup directory ... That will work, but you can also have runfm just create the PDFs directly (using the Adobe PDF printer; it does *not* use Save As!), and put it in your product build pickup directory. No need to run two more bats to do that. ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
opening program files from an html file
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:55:32 -0400, "Martha Lee" wrote: >Im using FrameMaker 7.2 and Mif2Go to generate html files that the >developers are going to display within a pane in our software interface. >They've asked me to embed a file link in the html file so that when the user >clicks on that link, it opens the specified file in our software. The file >formats are unique to our software. Any ideas on how to do this? Presumably they will give you the link, since it is specific to their process. Once they do that, you can embed it the same way you embed any other link in Frame, with a hypertext marker that starts with "message URL". Mif2Go passed those through unaltered. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Mif2Go SmartSplit function
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:51:32 -0400, "Martha Lee" wrote: >Hi All, > >I'm using FrameMaker 7.2 and Mif2Go 3.3 to generate OmniHelp. I tried to >invoke the SmartSplit command under [HTMLOptions] to prevent dangling >headings (section title appears all by itself), but it's not working. Most >likely I've got two conflicting settings, but I can't figure out what it >might be. Here's the relevant part of my .ini file: > >[HelpContentsLevels] >; Fill in FM head para formats and their level here >Section Title=1 >Title=2 >Title_top=2 >Heading 1=3 >Heading 1top=3 >Heading 2=4 >Heading 2top=4 > >[HtmlStyles] >Notes=NoSplit >Title=Split >Title_top=Split >Heading 1=Split >Heading 1top=Split >Section Title=Title Trail > >[HTMLOptions] >ObjectIDs=All >FileSuffix=.htm >NoFonts=Yes >AlignAttributes=No >AllowOverrides=No >StartingSplit=No >SmartSplit=Yes > >SmartSplit works for the Title/Heading 1 combination, but not for the >Section Title/Title combination. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Set Split for your Section Title. I know, it's at the start, but you have StartingSplit=No, so it won't split there. The thing is, if it doesn't have Split set, SmartSplit pays no attention to it, sees just one Split for Title, and uses it. Another reason this can happen is if there is another para in between, maybe an empty one, or one used to anchor a graphic you aren't using. In that case, you need to set [HTMLStyles] Delete for the empty para. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
