[Framework-Team] Re: Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-24 Thread Alexander Limi
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:40:34 -0800, Ricardo Alves  
 wrote:


Sorry if I missed some discussion/decision on this, but the place for  
PLIP submission is now trac? Or are these just drafts that will  
eventually origin PLIP's at plone.org?


There has been some informal discussion here and there, and with Hanno in  
agreement, we just did it. If there's any opposition to it, I'm happy to  
have that discussion too — we just moved ahead with it since it was  
already happening. :)


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[Framework-Team] Re: FWT trac user for CC's that will post trac activity to this list

2008-12-24 Thread Alexander Limi
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:20:34 -0800, Martijn Pieters  
 wrote:



It's a pity Trac doesn't support ticket detail changes; there is a
plugin for Trac 0.11 that supports this (see
http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/DetailedRssFeedPlugin) but dev.plone.org
still runs on 0.10.


Hopefully not for much longer. :)

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[Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs for milestone 4 and beyond in Trac: occasional conversion from type 'Feature Request'?

2008-12-24 Thread Alexander Limi
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:55:34 -0800, Matthew Wilkes  
 wrote:


PLIPs have their own numbering and are currently stored exclusively on  
plone.org.


Actually, for 4.0 and later, we're moving them all to Trac. That way, we  
can assign them to releases, track them separately, and use the update  
features as a progress log. With the new plone.org setup, the /development  
area will be Trac, and we'd like to have one roadmap page, not two.


Trac is built for development and lightweight release management, so let's  
use it for what it's good at. :)


but I'd not be adverse to moving to trac if we had a smooth migration  
plan.


Migration plan is: Everything in 3.x stays the way it has been (at least  
for now), for 4.0 — and possibly later releases in the 3.x series — we put  
PLIPs in Trac.


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Re: [Framework-Team] FWT trac user for CC's that will post trac activity to this list

2008-12-24 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 23:52, Ross Patterson  wrote:
> I just subscribed my RSS reader to the feed for the 4.0 PLIP report and
> then added myself as a CC to every ticket in that report so that I can
> keep an eye on activity.  I'll also have to keep an eye for new tickets
> on the feed to make sure I'm on the CC list.  It occurred to me that I
> would prefer that mail traffic to go through the FWT list.
>
> We could simply set a policy and say that all PLIPs should have the FWT
> list address added to their CC.  Would anyone else find this valuable?
> Would it cause any problems?  Whaddya think?

I don't quite see the need to have the FWT subscribed; too much noise
for me, the RSS feed gives me enough info. A separate list would be a
better idea.

It's a pity Trac doesn't support ticket detail changes; there is a
plugin for Trac 0.11 that supports this (see
http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/DetailedRssFeedPlugin) but dev.plone.org
still runs on 0.10.

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[Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Jens W. Klein wrote:
> In your PLIPs you wrote i.e. here https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8593 
> to remove parts out of "Plone the Product". I fully agree to remove 
> features from the core! 
> 
> But I think if we do so, there should be a set of "Managed Plone 
> Products". Important add-ons like LinguaPlone or the removed parts should 
> get in a "managed by the Plone [Foundation|Team X]" state.

[...]

> If current teams structure is not sufficient for this task, we could 
> introduce a new "Add-On Team". 

I think none of the current teams or structures we have is able to do
the job of maintaining a list of recommended / proven / better /
whatever list.

There have been numerous discussions around this topic and various ideas
on how to solve this (community rating, automatic metrics,
self-certified criteria, ...) but so far there is neither a consensus
nor someone dedicated to own the task.

I'd very much welcome if someone would step up for this, but I'm not
willing to have this block the removal of unmaintained code anymore ;)

Hanno


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