[Frameworks] Ernie Gehr's contact
Dear Frameworks, I'm looking for Ernie Gehr's contact info for my research purpose. If anyone knows it, I'd appreciate if you inform me of it to my email address ( jihoonfe...@gmail.com). Thank you in advance, -- Ji-hoon Kim Assistant Professor, Division of Broadcast Cinema Studies Wee Kim Wee School of Communication and Information Nanyang Technological University Room 02-08, 31 Nanyang Link Singapore 637718 Office phone: (65) 6514-8351 Mobile: (65) 9720-8484 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] painted film finisher
I don't think you can safely add a layer of finish - ink and markers probably won't change much, but craft paint is going to come off (to some degree) so if you want to project this (much) you need to make a print. As I'm sure you are aware, the motion of the film through the projector is intermittent, it is vigorous, anything up on top of the surface of the plastic is going to come off. Good luck! From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Jarrett Hayman Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:02 PM To: FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] painted film finisher Hello, I have recently completed two films made using direct application techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas? -JH ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Texts on appropriation, collage and ethics/fair use
Here are three more: http://www.visionaryfilm.net/2007/02/desmonatje-film-vdeoapropiacin.html http://www.visionaryfilm.net/2009/05/piedra-papel-y-tijera-el-collage-en-el.html http://www.visionaryfilm.net/2006/11/recycled-images-william-c-wees.html and here a thesis I wrote about http://www.visionaryfilm.net/search/label/133 Albert De: David Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com Para: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Enviado: Viernes 24 de Mayo de 2013 22:48 Asunto: Re: [Frameworks] Texts on appropriation, collage and ethics/fair use Not nec. film specific, but there's tons of stuff on appropriation, collage, copyright and fair use. Much of it is related to audio collage as both an avant garde practice and pop culture 'mashups'. The discussions are generally applicable to found footage films, though. An essential text is Craig Baldwin's film Sonic Outlaws. For the whole question of Fair Use of images, moving or otherwise, you'll also want to check the essential materials available on the website of the Center for Social Media at American University. Filmmakers working in collage and appropriation seem not to discuss the issues surrounding their work as much as artists in other media do. You might look into the websites, publications, videos etc. produced by Negativland RTMark, Stay Free magazine, Public Works etc. Also the various writings on 'Neoism'. The afore-cited Cutting Across Media should offer a list of contributors whose other works are worth looking into, and be a good starting place for a bibliography. (Again, none of this is really film specific, though...) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop_Moving Sale/Giveaway and Screenings This Week
Dear all, Millennium is re-locating to http://www.brooklynfireproof.com/ at the beginning of June. We are getting rid of a lot of film equipment some in good shape, some of it needs to be repaired or can be used for parts. We also have a lot of books. There are three screenings this week see info below or on our website. People who attend can check out what we are giving away/selling: Lary 7, Tuesday May 28th, 8pm Elle Burchill, Wednesday May 29th, 8pm Jay Hudson, Thursday May 30th, 8pm Thank you! Stephanie ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] painted film finisher
Hi Jarrett, I've used clear nail polish successfully, but it's really just a stopgap to transfer it, not a permanent solution. If you send the film off for public screenings without a print it's pretty much guaranteed that the projectionists will be extremely annoyed at a print that is gunking up their equipment. It will also be difficult to project it properly as it might make the film jump around in the gate since it's not perfectly smooth anymore. If you're just projecting it for yourself, or intending to stabilize it for a transfer, the nail polish seems to work fine though. Also if you haven't seen it already, Helen Hill's Recipes for Disaster is an excellent handmade film resource - http://www.angoleiro.com/cine_texts/recipes_for_disaster_hill.pdf. I can't seem to find an official online publication of it, but the official memorial website with more information on the author is http://www.helenhill.org. Cheers, Melanie Wilmink On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jarrett Hayman jfhay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have recently completed two films made using direct application techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas? -JH ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] painted film finisher
Hi, Yes, I agree with previous comments about adding yet another layer to the film: don't, at least not as a long lasting projection solution. If break-down / image degeneration during exhibition is your thing, then that's another story. But it sounds like you want what you've made to stay more or less the same. Not sure how long your films are, as that might affect how easily you can rephotograph them yourself. If you have access to an optical printer, and your films are relatively short, then then that would be the way I'd go. I work with a lot of folks who optically print any direct animation / manipulation they do on 16mm right off the bat, so they have a clean, lab-friendly negative / camera original. But get lots of isopropyl alcohol, as the projection side of the printer will need cleaning. I'd look within your filmmaking community to see what sort of optical printer access you have, and if there is a machine that other people have used for this sort of slightly messier stuff. Other list members might have solutions as to labs that deal happily with this sort of thing. If your movies are long, then you might have to look into something more specialized. But I would consider doing it yourself if you have some equipment access. While it's slightly against the camera-less film ideal, it's a measure that has frequently been made in order to ensure that a decent print of your work is shown, and that doesn't gum up a projector. Isaac Common Pictures On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Tom Whiteside tom.whites...@duke.eduwrote: I don’t think you can safely add a layer of finish – ink and markers probably won’t change much, but craft paint is going to come off (to some degree) so if you want to project this (much) you need to make a print.*** * ** ** As I’m sure you are aware, the motion of the film through the projector is intermittent, it is vigorous, anything up on top of the surface of the plastic is going to come off. ** ** Good luck! ** ** *From:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] *On Behalf Of *Jarrett Hayman *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:02 PM *To:* FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Subject:* [Frameworks] painted film finisher ** ** Hello, I have recently completed two films made using direct application techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas? -JH ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] De-dusting scanned film footage
Wowsers Ken! A nice method - must have had many many layers in the timeline and lotsa effects - slow renders... and I hope he had lots of memory! That film looked beautiful. - Flick ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] De-dusting scanned film footage
Davinci Resolve has semi automated dust removal (only works with DPX frames) and I think it works in the free version. You draw a circle around the dirt particle and Resolve compares a set if previous and upcomming frames to paint it out. Works very well, you can potentially use resolve to render out any file to DPX frames and use the dust tool. Robert Houllahan Film www.lunarfilms.com www.cinelab.com Mapple iTelephone sent On May 27, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Flick Harrison fl...@flickharrison.com wrote: Wowsers Ken! A nice method - must have had many many layers in the timeline and lotsa effects - slow renders... and I hope he had lots of memory! That film looked beautiful. - Flick ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] De-dusting scanned film footage
A circle matte no larger than the size of the dust particle was made, then a piece of the frame just before or after the dust spot--in its exact position--was captured then laid over the offending piece of dust. That's it! Worked like a charm. Perhaps David T can weigh in on his method? That's what I did. 4 pt. garbage matte with a lot of feather on the edges. Copy and paste the filter from one shot to another and then move the corner points to cover the dust spot in question, which was faster than starting from scratch on each dust spot. Usually one frame off from the dust spot would provide a fill, but sometimes I had to go two frames. I also moved the fill frame around to find a good match. I'm sure there are more sophisticated ways to do this, but this was something I could figure out and execute using the basic capabilities of FCP 7. It was very time-consuming and boring. It's hard to find the exact frames of the dust spots because things look different in the still frames than they do in motion. Sometimes a spot that's really obvious is motion is hard to see in the still frame. This is exacerbated if there's any pull-down or speed changes. I did the work for Crooked Beauty because Ken's a friend and I thought enough of the film that I wanted to see it look as good as possible. Even though Ken paid me something for my time, it's nothing I'd want to do on a regular basis, 'professionally.' But, in the end I think it was worth it aesthetically. Crooked Beauty has that Super-8 look, but it's incredibly clean. I showed it to some S8 enthusiasts at UFVA a couple years ago and they were pretty much gob-smacked at the quality of the image. They'd never seen anything that free of dust marks. But, of course, it all depends on what aesthetic suits the purpose and vision of the individual film. For some projects, the dust that remains on a typical S8 to HD transfer may well suit the concept that led to the choice of S8 in the first place. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] De-dusting scanned film footage
A nice method - must have had many many layers in the timeline and lotsa effects - slow renders... and I hope he had lots of memory! Just two layers, and not that many effects. Just multiple iterations of the garbage matte on those frames with more than one nasty dust spot. There was a lot of rendering involved, but just because there were a lot of frames with dust, and I had to render them out to see if the fixes worked properly. I did it on an MBP 2.2Ghz quad-core with 4GB RAM. It would have gone faster on a desktop with more RAM, but it wasn't that bad on the MBP. It's a method pretty much anyone can do, if they're up for taking the time. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop_Moving Sale/Giveaway and Screenings This Week
To add to Stephanie's announcement, Millennium has a Bell and Howell JA Contact Printer that is not functional and is too cumbersome to keep. If someone redoes the wiring, they may be able to get it going. However, if no one picks it up, we will have no choice but to scrap it. That would be a shame. It takes about three people to move it. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Stephanie Wuertz wuertzstepha...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Millennium is re-locating to http://www.brooklynfireproof.com/ at the beginning of June. We are getting rid of a lot of film equipment some in good shape, some of it needs to be repaired or can be used for parts. We also have a lot of books. There are three screenings this week see info below or on our website. People who attend can check out what we are giving away/selling: Lary 7, Tuesday May 28th, 8pm Elle Burchill, Wednesday May 29th, 8pm Jay Hudson, Thursday May 30th, 8pm Thank you! Stephanie ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop_Moving Sale/Giveaway and Screenings This Week
If I was closer I would be at your door step tomorrow morning but I'm in Ottawa Canada:( Roger D. Wilson613 324 - 7504rogerdwilson@sympatico.cahttp://www.rogerdwilson.ca Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 16:45:06 -0400 From: jkh30...@gmail.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop_Moving Sale/Giveaway and Screenings This Week To add to Stephanie's announcement, Millennium has a Bell and Howell JA Contact Printer that is not functional and is too cumbersome to keep. If someone redoes the wiring, they may be able to get it going. However, if no one picks it up, we will have no choice but to scrap it. That would be a shame. It takes about three people to move it. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Stephanie Wuertz wuertzstepha...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Millennium is re-locating to http://www.brooklynfireproof.com/ at the beginning of June. We are getting rid of a lot of film equipment some in good shape, some of it needs to be repaired or can be used for parts. We also have a lot of books. There are three screenings this week see info below or on our website. People who attend can check out what we are giving away/selling: Lary 7, Tuesday May 28th, 8pm Elle Burchill, Wednesday May 29th, 8pm Jay Hudson, Thursday May 30th, 8pm Thank you! Stephanie ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Reminder: Canyon Cinemazine Deadline Extended to June 1
REMINDER Extended Deadline for Submissions is June 1 Canyon Cinemazine The purpose of this zine is to reignite the discussion of underground and experimental film/video practice and theory, putting artists in the Bay Area in dialogue with the greater experimental community. It is a platform for art, ephemera, letters, jokes, as well as critical writing and insights into the ever-changing field. We are asking for filmmakers, media artists as well as scholars and curators to submit letters, writing, film stills, artwork, photos, doodles, recipes and anything else for consideration. Submissions may be mailed to: P.O. Box 16163 Oakland, CA 94610 Or emailed to: thecinemaz...@gmail.com ISSUE ONE NOW AVAILABLE http://www.cinemazine.net/shop/ Color and RISO printed, limited edition of 400, hand-numbered. Contributors include: Dominic Angerame / Bruce Baillie / Maïa Cybelle Carpenter / Sandra Davis / Tom Ditto / Victor Faccinto / Anna Geyer / Paul Glabicki / Barbara Hammer / Robert Huot / Lynn Marie Kirby / George Kuchar / Albert G. Nigrin / Tom Palazzolo / Lynne Sachs / Carolee Schneemann / Linda Scobie / Mark Street $2 (postage only) for Canyon Cinema filmmakers $6 everyone else **additional costs vary for international shipping www.cinemazine.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] painted film finisher
I'd like to second the internegative idea. If your work is done, then take it to a lab, have a contact internegative struck, and sit in on the timing session to ensure that the colors are just the way you want them. Or, and here is an opportunity for more creative work, if you have access to a contact printer, make your own internegative and then print. Contact printers normally print emulsion to emulsion, and continuously, and are (in principle) very easy on irregular materials. On May 26, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Roger Wilson wrote: The process that is normally done is to have an internegative completed from the painted film and then a print made from this internegative. I think anything you place on the film will eventually wear off. Roger D. Wilson 613 324 - 7504 rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 20:01:37 -0500 From: jfhay...@gmail.com To: FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] painted film finisher Hello, I have recently completed two films made using direct application techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas? -JH ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] painted film finisher
Thank you all for the info. My films aren't too long, max five minutes. I will probably try the clear nail polish option, as I'm looking for a way to stabilize the material on the film until I can wrangle up the money needed to get internegatives and prints made, they are both on clear super-8 leader so I'll also need to do a 16mm blow-up. The shorter film is simply dirt on clear leader, and I'm afraid that any printing process might smear the dirt off if I attempted to do so as is (not to mention gum up any equipment) again, thanks! -JH On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Isaac Brooks isaacbrook...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Yes, I agree with previous comments about adding yet another layer to the film: don't, at least not as a long lasting projection solution. If break-down / image degeneration during exhibition is your thing, then that's another story. But it sounds like you want what you've made to stay more or less the same. Not sure how long your films are, as that might affect how easily you can rephotograph them yourself. If you have access to an optical printer, and your films are relatively short, then then that would be the way I'd go. I work with a lot of folks who optically print any direct animation / manipulation they do on 16mm right off the bat, so they have a clean, lab-friendly negative / camera original. But get lots of isopropyl alcohol, as the projection side of the printer will need cleaning. I'd look within your filmmaking community to see what sort of optical printer access you have, and if there is a machine that other people have used for this sort of slightly messier stuff. Other list members might have solutions as to labs that deal happily with this sort of thing. If your movies are long, then you might have to look into something more specialized. But I would consider doing it yourself if you have some equipment access. While it's slightly against the camera-less film ideal, it's a measure that has frequently been made in order to ensure that a decent print of your work is shown, and that doesn't gum up a projector. Isaac Common Pictures On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Tom Whiteside tom.whites...@duke.eduwrote: I don’t think you can safely add a layer of finish – ink and markers probably won’t change much, but craft paint is going to come off (to some degree) so if you want to project this (much) you need to make a print.** ** ** ** As I’m sure you are aware, the motion of the film through the projector is intermittent, it is vigorous, anything up on top of the surface of the plastic is going to come off. ** ** Good luck! ** ** *From:* FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] *On Behalf Of *Jarrett Hayman *Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:02 PM *To:* FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Subject:* [Frameworks] painted film finisher ** ** Hello, I have recently completed two films made using direct application techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas? -JH ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] painted film finisher
Try some clear lacquer spray – if you spray it on and add another couple of fine coats when its still wet, the lay-off should be smooth and it will be fairly flexible. I've done this in the past and you have to get the lacquer to 'soak' over/around your mark making while wet without skimming over the sprocket holes (and clogging them). You can let this dry – it doesn't take long – and then lay on another fine coat. Don't go too thick or the celluloid may cause it to crack. You can either use a charcoal fixative (from art supply shops) or just use some automotive lacquer (the motorcycle stuff works the best). P Thank you all for the info. My films aren't too long, max five minutes. I will probably try the clear nail polish option, as I'm looking for a way to stabilize the material on the film until I can wrangle up the money needed to get internegatives and prints made, they are both on clear super-8 leader so I'll also need to do a 16mm blow-up. The shorter film is simply dirt on clear leader, and I'm afraid that any printing process might smear the dirt off if I attempted to do so as is (not to mention gum up any equipment) again, thanks! -JH On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Isaac Brooks isaacbrook...@gmail.commailto:isaacbrook...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I agree with previous comments about adding yet another layer to the film: don't, at least not as a long lasting projection solution. If break-down / image degeneration during exhibition is your thing, then that's another story. But it sounds like you want what you've made to stay more or less the same. Not sure how long your films are, as that might affect how easily you can rephotograph them yourself. If you have access to an optical printer, and your films are relatively short, then then that would be the way I'd go. I work with a lot of folks who optically print any direct animation / manipulation they do on 16mm right off the bat, so they have a clean, lab-friendly negative / camera original. But get lots of isopropyl alcohol, as the projection side of the printer will need cleaning. I'd look within your filmmaking community to see what sort of optical printer access you have, and if there is a machine that other people have used for this sort of slightly messier stuff. Other list members might have solutions as to labs that deal happily with this sort of thing. If your movies are long, then you might have to look into something more specialized. But I would consider doing it yourself if you have some equipment access. While it's slightly against the camera-less film ideal, it's a measure that has frequently been made in order to ensure that a decent print of your work is shown, and that doesn't gum up a projector. Isaac Common Pictures On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Tom Whiteside tom.whites...@duke.edumailto:tom.whites...@duke.edu wrote: I don’t think you can safely add a layer of finish – ink and markers probably won’t change much, but craft paint is going to come off (to some degree) so if you want to project this (much) you need to make a print. As I’m sure you are aware, the motion of the film through the projector is intermittent, it is vigorous, anything up on top of the surface of the plastic is going to come off. Good luck! From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Jarrett Hayman Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:02 PM To: FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] painted film finisher Hello, I have recently completed two films made using direct application techniques, such as hand painting with craft paint, india ink, permanent markers and other media. I would like to find a way to apply some kind of finish to the film so that the ink and paint do not continue to rub off with projection, but I'm afraid to use a spray finish for traditional paintings, as they are usually quite flammable. Any ideas? -JH ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
