Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
Kevin: I have a 16mm ELMO projector for sale. Are you interested? On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Kevin Obsatz wrote: > Hello! > > I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a > thing as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as > something I could strip down from an existing projector. > > I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to > have any kind of bulb or motor. > > Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Kevin Obsatz > www.videohaiku.com > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
The Bell & Howell 173 is a 16mm analytic projector and it can be hand-cranked or run by the variable speed motor. A beautiful machine and a real workhorse. There are similar models by other makers, and because analytics are not sound projectors they can be rather inexpensive (gee, who would want a silent film projector?) They used to be quite common, there were tons of them in use in athletics before the advent of videotape. Someone mentioned toy projectors - they can be fine as props, but the mechanics are often so rudimentary it's always dicey to run film through them. Some are ok, others are horrible. Tom Durham Cinematheque From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Harris Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:46 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? Hey Kevin, I seem to recall that Alex MacKenzie used a hand-cranked projector for a performance called "the wooden lightbox: a secret art of seeing" at last year's (2011) Crossroads Film Festival. I think Alex made the projector himself so maybe he can be a resource for you: www.alexmackenzie.com<http://www.alexmackenzie.com> Good luck! CH > From: ke...@videohaiku.com<mailto:ke...@videohaiku.com> > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:22:31 -0500 > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Subject: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? > > Hello! > > I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a thing > as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as something > I could strip down from an existing projector. > > I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to > have any kind of bulb or motor. > > Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Kevin Obsatz > www.videohaiku.com<http://www.videohaiku.com> > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
I did a workshop with Alex and he showed us his 'wooden lightbox'. IIRC he took an old Pageant projector, gutted then motor, rewired the lamp for a lower wattage and then connected a rewind crank to the projector's drive shaft. He can get about 8fps with his setup and can run the film backwards and forwards with ease. From: Christopher Harris To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:46:17 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? Hey Kevin, I seem to recall that Alex MacKenzie used a hand-cranked projector for a performance called "the wooden lightbox: a secret art of seeing" at last year's (2011) Crossroads Film Festival. I think Alex made the projector himself so maybe he can be a resource for you: www.alexmackenzie.com Good luck! CH > From: ke...@videohaiku.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:22:31 -0500 > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Subject: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? > > Hello! > > I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a thing > as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as something > I could strip down from an existing projector. > > I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to > have any kind of bulb or motor. > > Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Kevin Obsatz > www.videohaiku.com > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
A mid 1930s Kodatoy. Cheap, effective and plentiful. Good 16mm mechanism, well-built, and not a bad looking image. I've seen them used as optical printers. In a message dated 6/13/2012 10:24:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ke...@videohaiku.com writes: Hello! I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a thing as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as something I could strip down from an existing projector. I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to have any kind of bulb or motor. Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! Thanks, Kevin Obsatz www.videohaiku.com _ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
Hey Kevin, I seem to recall that Alex MacKenzie used a hand-cranked projector for a performance called "the wooden lightbox: a secret art of seeing" at last year's (2011) Crossroads Film Festival. I think Alex made the projector himself so maybe he can be a resource for you: www.alexmackenzie.com Good luck! CH > From: ke...@videohaiku.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:22:31 -0500 > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Subject: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? > > Hello! > > I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a thing > as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as something > I could strip down from an existing projector. > > I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to > have any kind of bulb or motor. > > Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Kevin Obsatz > www.videohaiku.com > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
It would actually be very easy to modify a 16mm projector to be hand-cranked. The "inching knob" found on many projectors (e.g the ubiquitous Bell & Howells) would be the obvious place to attach your drive mechanism. Reverse it and the projector can drive other devices. Kim Miskowicz' recent film "Saving the Next to Last" is a super-8 hand-cranked film (which also draws lamp power from a hand-crank—i.e. it's a post-apocalypse Gilligan's Island projector which does not plus into the wall). Sorry I don't have more info on this but here is her website: http://kimmiskowicz.com/news.html Steve Polta --- On Wed, 6/13/12, Kevin Obsatz wrote: From: Kevin Obsatz Subject: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 10:22 AM Hello! I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a thing as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as something I could strip down from an existing projector. I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to have any kind of bulb or motor. Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! Thanks, Kevin Obsatz www.videohaiku.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
l am very grateful for your introduction to me of the world of Robert Schaller. Wow! On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Jason Halprin wrote: > And, if you get your hands on any of these, you can rewire the lamp portion > to run on LEDs (ala Robert Schaller's Wilderness Film Expeditions). No fan > necessary. > > -JH > > > From: Ekrem Serdar > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? > > There are the 16mm koda-toy projectors > > -- > ekrem serdar > austin, tx > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "k. a.r." wrote: > > I have an ancient film projector that is hand cranked. > It's a Bell & Howell Filmo, and the thing has to be 90-100 years old. > The only thing electric on it is the bulb > > So, they're out there > > > > Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. > Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions > Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project > The Mission, San Francisco, CA > > 'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' > - - - Issac Asimov > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
And, if you get your hands on any of these, you can rewire the lamp portion to run on LEDs (ala Robert Schaller's Wilderness Film Expeditions). No fan necessary. -JH From: Ekrem Serdar To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector? There are the 16mm koda-toy projectors -- ekrem serdar austin, tx On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "k. a.r." wrote: >I have an ancient film projector that is hand cranked. >It's a Bell & Howell Filmo, and the thing has to be 90-100 years old. >The only thing electric on it is the bulb > >So, they're out there > > > >Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. >Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions >Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project >The Mission, San Francisco, CA > >'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' >- - - Issac Asimov > > > > ___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
There are the 16mm koda-toy projectors -- ekrem serdar austin, tx On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "k. a.r." wrote: I have an ancient film projector that is hand cranked. It's a Bell & Howell Filmo, and the thing has to be 90-100 years old. The only thing electric on it is the bulb So, they're out there Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project The Mission, San Francisco, CA 'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' - - - Issac Asimov ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
I have an ancient film projector that is hand cranked. It's a Bell & Howell Filmo, and the thing has to be 90-100 years old. The only thing electric on it is the bulb So, they're out there Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project The Mission, San Francisco, CA 'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' - - - Issac Asimov ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
DeVry had a hand-cranked projector which Edmund sold surplus for $20 so in the seventies and eighties. They had a pull-down claw and would go in both directions, with a fairly dim lamp. I have a Speco motion analysis projector that can run on a motor or be hand-cranked... in single-frame or hand-crank mode there is a heat absorbing glass which drops down. And it wouldn't be hard to turn an old B&H 500-series projector into a hand-cranked thing... the hard part would be putting a much lower intensity lamp into it, and rigging up a fan to keep the lamp cool. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
