Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:27:10 -0400 Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:09:33AM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD > > has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been > > growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue > > to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's > > user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we > > won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. > > I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar > > with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late > > because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is > > a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, > > such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by > > bike shed discussions. > > Just submit it...if it is too late for 6.2 (not guaranteed) then it > would be in time for 6.3. The surest way to make sure it never gets > into sysinstall is for nobody to ever submit a patch. Perhaps there could be a message added to /etc/motd as an alternative for 6.2-R if its too late to be included in sysinstall. Modification of a text file should be of less concern. Using the motd might also bring it to the attention to those who will just upgrade and never see sysinstall (as well as those who almost never read mailing lists). Just a thought. Randy -- ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:09:33AM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD > has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been > growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue > to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's > user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we > won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. > I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar > with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late > because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is > a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, > such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by > bike shed discussions. Just submit it...if it is too late for 6.2 (not guaranteed) then it would be in time for 6.3. The surest way to make sure it never gets into sysinstall is for nobody to ever submit a patch. Kris pgp6HwG5RlkkA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Oliver Fromme wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database > > throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start > > all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired > > after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? > > Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for > host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts > and such ... I'm not sure that will work well ... Lets see what happens when October begins. At the beginning of September, the statistics were all reset to zero. That is correct ... this is one of my hosts: id |unique_key | country_code | first_connect -+---+--+ 235 | cdd6a5011ac543400bcaafb413ae577d | PA | 2006-08-15 06:53:50.077533 And this is what its reported for so far: id | operating_system | release | architecture |report_month -+--+-+--+ 235 | FreeBSD | 4.11-STABLE | i386 | 2006-08-15 07:08:50.694954 235 | FreeBSD | 4.11-STABLE | i386 | 2006-09-01 08:30:06.198988 (2 rows) One for August, one for September ... start of October, a third entry will be added ... Sorry, I was a bit unclear ... I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't collect the numbers for each OS sub-variant (or lets call it "distribution") separately. But I think it would make sense to group them together for the "Big 4" on the front page (main page) at bsdstats.org. Except those that are working hard on the various 'sub-variants' are proud to see the fact that the work they are doing is being used, plus, it helps to advertise those sub-variants, so that ppl know they are out there ... By the way, I think you cannot tell much from those numbers, because they don't really show any real-world usage of the various BSD variants. Not now, and not in a year from now. The reason for that is that the different BSD projects have very different policies for enabling the bsdstats script by default during installation or during update. The thing is, we're not looking at producing a "this is all the BSD hosts that are out there" sort of number ... we are trying to produce a "see, there *is* a BSD market" ... what does some place like Adaptec consider a "market", that I don't know ... 100k hosts? 500k hosts? I don't know that, each manufacturer (both software and hardware) will have different thresholds ... the point is that we now have *some* marketing numbers that aren't "purely guesswork" ... Hell, even looking at the numbers now ... 10,328 hosts, 42.2% of which are OpenBSD ... 4 362 hosts doesn't sound like alot, but those are 4 362 hosts that will *never* see an Adaptec controller because of Adaptec's closed-doc policy ... what's the average price of an Adaptec controller nowadays? Looking at there site, their SAS RAID controller is SRP: $995 ... that is $4 340 190 in potential revenu *if* everyone bought that card ... even if average price was $100, that is $436 200 in potential revenue that can't be tap'd ... and that number is probably not even 1/10th of the actual # of hosts out there ... And ya, I know, not everyone would by Adaptec even if they had open docs ... that isn't the point ... the point is that Adaptec is getting *zero* right now from the OpenBSD market, since they are closed docs ... By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by bike shed discussions. Of course, not submitting the patch ASAP will ensure that not only do it not getting into 6.2-RELEASE, but it won't get into subsequent releases, or -CURRENT, or ... :) *sigh* I'm sorry, what I wrote isn't really constructive, but rather bellyaching about the whole situation. Maybe I should better shut up now. :-) I got tired of bellyaching, and created bsdstats.org ... *shrug* Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http:/
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database > > throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start > > all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired > > after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? > > Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for > host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts > and such ... I'm not sure that will work well ... Lets see what happens when October begins. At the beginning of September, the statistics were all reset to zero. > > I just noticed that "PC-BSD" is mentioned as separate OS in the > > statistics now. I think it would be better to count it for FreeBSD > > instead, because PC-BSD (similar to FreeSBIE) is just a standard FreeBSD > > kernel + userland, plus some gadgets on top (GUI installer or live FS, > > respectively). > > The 'plus some gadgets on top' is, IMHO, important ... it shows ppl are > adopting BSD, but that, for them, those 'gadgets' are important for the > deployment ... Sorry, I was a bit unclear ... I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't collect the numbers for each OS sub-variant (or lets call it "distribution") separately. But I think it would make sense to group them together for the "Big 4" on the front page (main page) at bsdstats.org. By the way, I think you cannot tell much from those numbers, because they don't really show any real-world usage of the various BSD variants. Not now, and not in a year from now. The reason for that is that the different BSD projects have very different policies for enabling the bsdstats script by default during installation or during update. By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by bike shed discussions. *sigh* I'm sorry, what I wrote isn't really constructive, but rather bellyaching about the whole situation. Maybe I should better shut up now. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb." -- Steve Haflich, in comp.lang.c++ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Oliver Fromme wrote: Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At only 5000 hosts, I wouldn't be basing any decisions anyway ... I'd like > to see 10x that number, and consistently, every month before reading *too* > much into them ... > > Its only been running about 30 days so far, so @ 5k hosts so far, and most > of those *since* Sept 1st, it shouldn't take us too long ... By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts and such ... I just noticed that "PC-BSD" is mentioned as separate OS in the statistics now. I think it would be better to count it for FreeBSD instead, because PC-BSD (similar to FreeSBIE) is just a standard FreeBSD kernel + userland, plus some gadgets on top (GUI installer or live FS, respectively). The 'plus some gadgets on top' is, IMHO, important ... it shows ppl are adopting BSD, but that, for them, those 'gadgets' are important for the deployment ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Oliver Fromme wrote: In fact, I think that mentioning too many different BSD variants is counter-productive against the goals of the project. The main goal is to provide numbers to vendors and manufacturers, in order to get better support. However, mentioning a dozen different BSD variants will likely turn them away. Therefore I propose that only the "big four" are mentioned explicitely on the homepage, and all the rest be counted as "others" or similar. Yes, this is likely to be much better than the current state of things. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At only 5000 hosts, I wouldn't be basing any decisions anyway ... I'd like > to see 10x that number, and consistently, every month before reading *too* > much into them ... > > Its only been running about 30 days so far, so @ 5k hosts so far, and most > of those *since* Sept 1st, it shouldn't take us too long ... By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? I just noticed that "PC-BSD" is mentioned as separate OS in the statistics now. I think it would be better to count it for FreeBSD instead, because PC-BSD (similar to FreeSBIE) is just a standard FreeBSD kernel + userland, plus some gadgets on top (GUI installer or live FS, respectively). In fact, I think that mentioning too many different BSD variants is counter-productive against the goals of the project. The main goal is to provide numbers to vendors and manufacturers, in order to get better support. However, mentioning a dozen different BSD variants will likely turn them away. Therefore I propose that only the "big four" are mentioned explicitely on the homepage, and all the rest be counted as "others" or similar. Just my 2 Euro cents. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "The scanf() function is a large and complex beast that often does something almost but not quite entirely unlike what you desired." -- Chris Torek ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Bah, good point. But if the mirrors were never directly linked but instead were always called from the FreeBSD site, kind of like how VLC does their downloads for example? Mark Julian Stacey wrote: Reference: From: Liontaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:35:18 -0700 Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Liontaur wrote: *Perhaps it would be possible to get the FreeBSD site to keep track of downloa ds? I don't think so: Too many mirrors. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: Olivier Nicole wrote: Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of France and Australia. This is a long shot, but couldn't it just be that a portal or usergroup of some kind started promoting bsdstats? Lets say a BSD usergroup in Thailand posted a notice on the first page about bsdstats. The usergroup has 200 visitors a day and half of them decides to follow the advice and install bsdstats. That would explain the sudden burst of 100 machines. Another plausible explanation is that an administrator of some network with 100 or so workstations or servers decided to push out bsdstats as a nightly upgrade or similar. It does not seem totally impossible to me, alltough I would not base any major decision on those figures without checking them first. At only 5000 hosts, I wouldn't be basing any decisions anyway ... I'd like to see 10x that number, and consistently, every month before reading *too* much into them ... Its only been running about 30 days so far, so @ 5k hosts so far, and most of those *since* Sept 1st, it shouldn't take us too long ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Reference: > From: Liontaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:35:18 -0700 > Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Liontaur wrote: > *Perhaps it would be possible to get the FreeBSD site to keep track of downloa ds? I don't think so: Too many mirrors. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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*Perhaps it would be possible to get the FreeBSD site to keep track of downloads? I know that this isn't an ideal solution since not everyone will get FreeBSD from the site, plus it doesn't take into account all of the people who already have FreeBSD unless the site has been tracking downloads for awhile now. But at least it would be a start of some sort too. Mark Date: * Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 (CEST) *From: * Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To: * freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject: * Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? *Message-ID: * <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=irt&[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *In-Reply-To: *<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?db=mid&[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Statistics are _never_ accurate. In this particular case they're especially inaccurate, because the bsdstats project has started just recently, and only few people are using it (5000 is probably nothing compared to the total amount of BSD machines in the world). Therefore the current numbers are hardly representative, they're skewed by regional fluctuations in the spreading of the bsdstats script. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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[-questions removed from recipient list.] Olivier Nicole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of > France and Australia. > > Only thing that the figures say is that they are far from being > accurate. Statistics are _never_ accurate. In this particular case they're especially inaccurate, because the bsdstats project has started just recently, and only few people are using it (5000 is probably nothing compared to the total amount of BSD machines in the world). Therefore the current numbers are hardly representative, they're skewed by regional fluctuations in the spreading of the bsdstats script. That affects not only the country distribution, but also the BSD type distribution. For example, currently debian/ kFreeBSD is at 6 while MirBSD is at 3, but I do not believe that the former is only twice as often in use as the latter. > And that people should be reminded to register from time to time. Once the periodic script is enabled, it will take care of that (at least on FreeBSD). However, there's a problem with machines that aren't running 24 hours per day (like home or office PCs). Many machines are off at the time when the monthly script would normally run. AFAIK Marc is aware of that problem and working on a solution. In fact it's a more general problem, because other periodic scripts won't run either in such cases, e.g. the update of the locate database and other things. Personally I have solved the problem by creating a small script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. At each boot it checks when the periodic scripts have been run for the last time, and runs them if necessary, recording the time. But that's only a hack that I made myself. FreeBSD needs a more general solution to the problem. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Olivier Nicole wrote: >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of > France and Australia. This is a long shot, but couldn't it just be that a portal or usergroup of some kind started promoting bsdstats? Lets say a BSD usergroup in Thailand posted a notice on the first page about bsdstats. The usergroup has 200 visitors a day and half of them decides to follow the advice and install bsdstats. That would explain the sudden burst of 100 machines. Another plausible explanation is that an administrator of some network with 100 or so workstations or servers decided to push out bsdstats as a nightly upgrade or similar. It does not seem totally impossible to me, alltough I would not base any major decision on those figures without checking them first. -- R ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of France and Australia. Only thing that the figures say is that they are far from being accurate. And that people should be reminded to register from time to time. Bests, Olivier ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On 9/9/06, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to > push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes > reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then > OpenBSD ... > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? There are some portal enterprises using FreeBSD such Yahoo! Korea, Dreamwiz and Neowiz. They each have more than 1000 hosts at least. Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work and don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/ Net/DFly users are hobbyists who like to play these games. Many of Korean BSDers doesn't read the mailing lists at all. Some of them don't read even manpages. So there's no need to be surprised at the no-show on stats. :-) I just advertised bsdstats to the local BSD community. So there will few responses soon. Hye-Shik ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:02:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? So which korean freebsd mailing lists did you advertise bsdstats on? There are korean maillng lists? :) And, I've been talking to Matt @ DragonFlyBSD, and he believes that the reports from Korea/China are bogus ... there is no AMD64 port of DragonFly ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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On 8/09/2006 3:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? Are you sure they weren't just hit by the same timezone issue affecting us Aussies...? :-) After all, DFly/Open/Net didn't start coming on board until after the monthly rollover that affected us in .au ... (For those wondering what all that means: the BSDstats server counted .au and nearby timezones into August's results, rather than September, because the BSDStats server's time was still in August when our machines started doing our monthly periodic run for September...) ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:02:45PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? So which korean freebsd mailing lists did you advertise bsdstats on? Kris pgpWJJVEzKcn1.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to >> push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes >> reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then >> OpenBSD ... >> >> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? > > Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work and > don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/Net/DFly > users are hobbyists who like to play these games. > > I am not knocking the bsdstats effort -- just that lots of serious users > with machines in production won't report back (I know I am not). Your > sample is probably statistically invalid. > > best regards > Chad > > --- > Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC > Your Web App and Email hosting provider > chad at shire.net > > > > ___ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > Not to mention how many are vmwared. Does that count? Could it count? Would it count? -- Best regards, Chris A bird in the hand is dead. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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On Sep 8, 2006, at 7:02 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? Or maybe the FreeBSD users in Korea use their systems for real work and don't read this list or play these sorts of games... The Open/ Net/DFly users are hobbyists who like to play these games. I am not knocking the bsdstats effort -- just that lots of serious users with machines in production won't report back (I know I am not). Your sample is probably statistically invalid. best regards Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote: It seemed to coincidental that all 3 OS's were accelerating within the same time frame and all within a relatively close margin from one another. 245 of the Korean hits came from the same IP, which would be within the realm of a NATd box ... and, looking at the logs, each system is reporting how/as I'd expect it ... It could be one of the schools in Korea? As I said, looking at the data itself, if it is someone playing games, they've gone to alot of effort to "mask" it ... including mix-n-matching Operating Systems with Architectures, so that they aren't all reporting the exact same thing ... even the user agents are coming through "as expected" for each of hte operating systems reported ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote: > >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> >>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >>> >>> Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? >>> >>> >>> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services >>> (http://www.hub.org) >>> Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 >>> ___ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>> >>> >> >> I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in >> under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few... > > Are you sure? And if so, based on what ... ? > > > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 > > It seemed to coincidental that all 3 OS's were accelerating within the same time frame and all within a relatively close margin from one another. Just a hunch -- Best regards, Chris The most important item in an order will no longer be available. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Chris wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few... Are you sure? And if so, based on what ... ? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia?
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > Are there *really* no Korean FreeBSD hosts out there ... ? > > > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > I think someone is playing games. I saw Korea put up 40 plus boxen in under 10 mins. And between Net, Open and DF, there are only a few... Kinda makes ya go H. -- Best regards, Chris Show me a person who's never made a mistake and I'll show you somebody who's never achieved much. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
