NFS Flags Oddity
FreeBSD (4.9-RC) doesn't appear to export schg flags over NFS. You've got to shell in locally to the machine to move the schg flags; ls -lao doesn't report them over NFS, but does list them locally. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: offtopic: low level format of IDE drive.
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: Does anyone have a detailed list of which SCSI drives do track writes rather than sector writes? All the broken ones. Could you be a little more specific? :-) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. --- Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Problems Building PicoBSD Bridge disk: crunch.mk not found
On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote: Finally: i don't know if what you want to build makes sense. The home base station (RG100, which is the same as the Apple Airport for what matters) is not very expensive, i bought the RG100 for some $280 compared to the $160 that you need for the wavelan PCMCIA card, and another 60-70$ for the ISA-PCMCIA adapter. So i do not see where is the saving, unless you happen to have already most of the hardware. Also consider that the base station has a built-in modem, can do NAT and dial-on-demand, is small and it does not have a noisy fan as most PCs. One gentleman has netbooted FreeBSD into the Apple AirPort. I haven't been able to find the dmesg he posted, but I'll keep looking. - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Clustering FreeBSD
On 18 Jan 2001, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Fun Things To Do With Disks #9,187: Take a powered-up disk out of a hot-swap storage array and experiment with the gyro effect while the disk spins down in your hands. Higher RPMs give better results; try one of the 'cudas from that E10K in the corner... "if you do it quickly, nobody will notice" Maybe I need to install more 10K drives in my desktop machine; that should keep it from being able to fall over.... - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Location of superblock?
I have a filesystem I am trying to recover (Win2K ate the slice table; I accidentally wiped the disklabel) and need to know the correct location of the superblock in relation to the start of the partition (a la disklabel). Please note: I have the correct superblock, and do not need the alternates. I have already found them. (600MB of text from "fsck -b # -n" run by a shell script that incremented # every loop.) - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: How many files can I put in one diretory?
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Don Lewis wrote: other ways of quickly finding the desired directory entry. Even so, you probably still would want to avoid doing an "ls" or an "echo *" ;-) Heh. I once wrote a program that made 1K files until it ran out of disk space. It took the 386DX-40 about two days to run out of inodes. The purpose was to find some rather elusive IDE bad sectors. I soon tired of such attempts, as I spent two days writing and another two rm'ing the mess. newfs helped, but I had other bad sectors to deal with. I soon removed that hard drive. I think I smashed somewhere. I was once given a whole pile of 40 MB and 80 MB SCSI drives (3.5"). I broke a few but the novelty wore off. It's tiring work destroying hard drives. - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: pricerange for dinner.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: My company has a policy in place that I shouldn't spend more than $35 per day for all meals together. See whether I care. I'll go along with anything that the others approve of, as long as it's good food. Hrm. I was under the impression that you were a computer consultant working for LEMIS and there for working for yourself ;-) - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: [Oz-ISP] FreeBSD and the forces of darkness. Real religiouswars! (fwd)
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Mike Nowlin wrote: Maybe I'll have my graphics guy whip up a picture of Tux with horns and holding a pitchfork (Actually, I think I've seen something like that before.) http://www.satanic.org/cframe1.gif or http://www.satanic.org/corner.htm - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: question abt top...
Joy wrote: what does CPU0 in the STATE field of "top" mean. i am running a SMP kernel. a process utilizes 99% of cpu and shows CPU0 in its STATE field. It states that the process in question is running on CPU0. If it were running on the second processor, it would say CPU1, etc. - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: [OT] Finding people with GSM phones (was Re: GPS heads up )
BTW, you do realize that in many cases "off" for your cell phone doesn't really mean off, right? :) I have strong objections to small transcievers (what cell phones actually are) that operate close to my body and don't let me know when they are transmitting. When you're talking on it, you know it's transmitting, but I'm talking about just about every other time when you've got it on your belt or clipped to your side. I know they aren't high power, but we don't know long term effects (actually, we do; we just don't know the thresholds for triggering cancer, etc.). I'm not thrilled at the aspect of a radio close to my head either. You can feel a radio after it's been transmitting for a while and think: "Something close to the amount of heat generated by this radio has been sent out over the ether and I was standing right in front of it." Yes, to cook your noodle you'd need a couple hundred watts but still, it's energy. - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Misuse of options BRIDGE?
sysctl -w net.link.ether.bridge=1 is necessary to enable bridging, and you need to set the address only on one of the interfaces (if you want an IP for the bridge at all). cheers luigi I did have the sysctl set, but I don't remember if I had the IP set on only one device. I've always wondered about that - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Misuse of options BRIDGE?
I've got a machine I'm trying to use to break a /24 into a few smaller groups. I've got it options BRIDGE in the kernel, four ethernet cards (mx0, pn0, ed0, ed1), and need to figure out the right way to do this: I've got /24 on one side of the machine. I need a /27 (0-32) to be seen on both sides (the router is .1, the most of the machines I want to firewall are on .2-31). I have a NAS running from .33 to .190, and a /26 (192-255) for another subnet. The NAS and router are on the /24. The auth server, .6, needs to be able to communicate fairly directly with both the NAS (.10). I don't want the NAS behind the firewall. If it is, it will be on a seperate port. I'd tried running all three with a /24 netmask, but I still don't see packets getting forwarded. I do have the sysctl set to 1 for that. (aka gateway_enable="YES"). I'd apprecaite any input from the group Apoligize if I seem a little terse; it's late and I'm not all here.... - Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Finding percent idle
As another poster pointed out, all of the FreeBSD programs (top, vmstat, xosview, ktop) get this stuff from kvm - which is a non portable (across different versions of FreeBSD) interface. FreeBSD also doesn't keep these numbers on a per CPU basis on a SMP box. I wrote a patch for fixing the SMP case and a KLD to get them via sysctl. With slight modifications to the KLD, you can get those values exported via sysctl. It would be interesting to see a SMP box with an attached LCD showing load per CPU. --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Voice Over IP (VOIP) support?
Do we have anyone actively working on Voice Over IP (VOIP) programs or other interfaces for FreeBSD? I'm highly interested and would be willing to assist in anyway that I can. Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
PCI IDE Controller (HPT-366) supported?
Is anyone actively working on a driver for the High Point Technologies PCI disk controller (HPT-366)? I have a machine I can test on, and would be willing to assist. I'm tired of telling people that my motherboard has four IDE ports, but I can't use more than two under FreeBSD :-). --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| --- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Acceptable MBUF levels?
I was just pondering recently as to what the acceptable levels of size and
amount of mbufs in use are. I vaguely seem to recall that if you run out
of mbufs, the machine will either panic or reboot. My reason for asking is
simple:
root:ninbox: {13} netstat -m
767/1152 mbufs in use:
509 mbufs allocated to data
258 mbufs allocated to packet headers
503/846/1024 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
1836 Kbytes allocated to network (60% in use)
0 requests for memory denied
0 requests for memory delayed
0 calls to protocol drain routines
Yet I do not ever see this machine as a risk for running out of mbufs.
Most of my machines have much lower mbuf usage (at the moment). I guess I
am more interested in finding out what the acceptable load levels are and
how to increase them, up to a non-ridiculous level.
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Using make to allow parallel operations?
I am attempting to start a program on a impromptu cluster, one program
per machine. I am using make, and seq from the cluster-it package in the
ports collection. My problem is that make doesn't start the jobs
parallel, it just goes from one to the other.
In my project root, I have the following makefile:
SUBDIR = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
.include bsd.subdir.mk
In my SUBDIRs, I have these makefiles:
PROG = seq ls -la
PAF = ${.CURDIR}
all:
@for prog in ${OBJ} ; do \
${PROG} ${PAF}/$$prog ; \
done
OBJ = Track01.wav \
Track02.wav
I am thinking that the for loop is not the way to run things parallel,
but I see no other option. This is a batch MP3 encode, not a compling
run, but the concepts are similar (programs and thier arguments).
I appreciate any time taken and hints offered.
[Why -hackers? Well, I don't have a copy of the CVS log, so I can't go
bother whoever built the makefiles in /usr/src ;-)]
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Re: Upgrading a different way
eT wrote: I have an installed FreeBSD-2.2.x Release on a Hard disk. Is it possible to upgrade to FreeBSD 3.2 by just copying the distribution files over the existing 2.2.x filesystem? How would the booting issues be overcome: 1. the booting? there is a new booting sequence and it seems like new boot blocks will have to be written to master boot record? For lack of any other response, I'd recommend backing the machine up and installing fresh. You can then change the relevant options. (This assuming you weren't running "heavily-modified".) -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Corrupt File System
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to mount /dev/vn0 Produces a file /mnt (not a directory) I do believe you want the directory to exist before you attempt to mount to it. (mkdir /mnt) -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: A new package fetching utility, pkg_get
Wes Peters wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: Boy, we're having fun asking you to rewrite your program. It's good training for you, though, this is what it's like to be a programmer in "The Real World". ;^) You bet! And we haven't even gotten to the topic of the interactive package selection menu yet! :-) Let alone the Java-based GUI. Of course, somebody needs to do a market survey and write the Product Requirements Document first. Wait a minute, aren't YOU the "Product Manager" for FreeBSD? Hah! Now YOU'RE trapped, too! Sinister laugh fading into the distance... Wes, you've walked away and forgot to logout again. I suspect Dogbert has been seen around your home/office lately. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: GNU GLOBAL
:Will you be assigning the copyright to the FSF? (ie: you'll never be able :to change your mind? 50 years is a long time...) 70 now I believe. Changed to be compatible with the euros, who are all 70 years apparently. If I understand things correctly, there will soon be legislation introduced to increase that time. Apparently, some companies, particularly Disney - were the big backers of the move to 70 years (to protect Mickey, et al) But, I've been lead to believe that the music and film industry has been pushing quite hard to increase that number... I'm sure they aren't the only ones. After all, Hemingway's "Old Man and the Sea" is sold for $10 a pop, mostly just because high school teachers require it. 8-/ -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: damn ATX power supplies...
Andrew Reilly wrote: I have an ATX system that must be looking for a keyboard-located power switch of some sort. It won't power up unless I unplug the (PS-2) keyboard, and then plug it back in again. That seems as though there's something fairly complicated in the system that _is_ being powered up. They are looking for the power on button :-). Usually the space bar is used to turn the computer on from the keyboard. It's an option, usually set by jumper. Maybe the dolts want PCs to be more like Macs. (Oops, wait, Sun did that too, didn't they?) -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: damn ATX power supplies...
Andrew Reilly wrote: I have an ATX system that must be looking for a keyboard-located power switch of some sort. It won't power up unless I unplug the (PS-2) keyboard, and then plug it back in again. That seems as though there's something fairly complicated in the system that _is_ being powered up. They are looking for the power on button :-). Usually the space bar is used to turn the computer on from the keyboard. It's an option, usually set by jumper. Maybe the dolts want PCs to be more like Macs. (Oops, wait, Sun did that too, didn't they?) -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: CFD: bogomips CPU performance metric
Ollivier Robert wrote: According to Nick Sayer: Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? Yes. We are also FreeBSD users/developers because we don't follow the Linux way. Bogomips are [as it says] bogus and many people acknoledge this but far too often you see in some Linux list/newsgroup some dick sizing^W^Wbogomips comparisons. Of course, that's what RC5DES is for. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: CFD: bogomips CPU performance metric
Chris Costello wrote: On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Robert Sexton wrote: I'd have to agree with the "Lets be more professional" crowd. How about as a LINT option? "If you need something so banal, you can turn it on yourself" No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. I'm going to have to side with Chris on this one. I spent half of last night trying to cut and trim as much out of the kernel as I could so it would boot on a 386SX-20 with 3 MB of RAM. Needless bloat is just that. (And FWIW, I made it to 997K, with just wdc0, fdc0, sio(4), ppp(4), and MSDOS support. I just wish I had PCMCIA slots so I could BOOTP FreeBSD instead.) -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: CFD: bogomips CPU performance metric
Ollivier Robert wrote: According to Nick Sayer: Would anyone scream and projectile-vomit if I added this to identcpu.c? Yes. We are also FreeBSD users/developers because we don't follow the Linux way. Bogomips are [as it says] bogus and many people acknoledge this but far too often you see in some Linux list/newsgroup some dick sizing^W^Wbogomips comparisons. Of course, that's what RC5DES is for. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: CFD: bogomips CPU performance metric
Chris Costello wrote: On Thu, Sep 02, 1999, Robert Sexton wrote: I'd have to agree with the Lets be more professional crowd. How about as a LINT option? If you need something so banal, you can turn it on yourself No, since it would just be useless bloat in the source tree. I'm going to have to side with Chris on this one. I spent half of last night trying to cut and trim as much out of the kernel as I could so it would boot on a 386SX-20 with 3 MB of RAM. Needless bloat is just that. (And FWIW, I made it to 997K, with just wdc0, fdc0, sio(4), ppp(4), and MSDOS support. I just wish I had PCMCIA slots so I could BOOTP FreeBSD instead.) -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Its about that time of year again. (FreeBSD MCA)
Ray Hyatt Jr. wrote: I have a few PS/2's (Mod 95 and Mod 80's) in my pile of junk, I'll see what I can do about getting them booted with this new kernel. A bunch of typical cards too (Serial, ethernet, token ring, SCSI, etc) I dug up my stash of MCA stuff and came up with the following cards: A Token ring card (IBM), a NICps/2 Model PC3000 (82586 powered, 10Base-5 only), and a Etherlink/MC. Where is this kernel at? :-) Somebody got a URL? -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: Both. The problem is that you can't cram a signal moving at 10 Mbps through a radio interface designed for 256K, even if it is bandwidth limited to 256K. I'm hoping the 3C503 is ancient enough that I can slow it down by yanking it's 20. MHz crystal oscillator and feeding it a lower speed signal. I'm going to walk them down to see just how far I can go. After all, 2 Mbps isn't bad, it just requires a little more work. What about ARCnet? I've never used it / don't know the technical specs. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: Both. The problem is that you can't cram a signal moving at 10 Mbps through a radio interface designed for 256K, even if it is bandwidth limited to 256K. I'm hoping the 3C503 is ancient enough that I can slow it down by yanking it's 20. MHz crystal oscillator and feeding it a lower speed signal. I'm going to walk them down to see just how far I can go. After all, 2 Mbps isn't bad, it just requires a little more work. What about ARCnet? I've never used it / don't know the technical specs. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Cheap link (was: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?)
Greg Lehey wrote: I'm going to be building at least three of these units, assuming I get the technical issues out of the way. So I'm looking at a cheap (hardware and software) way of getting data in and out of a PC with IP support and such. It just makes sense in my POV to use a NIC. It's capable of 10 Mbps and has most of the circuitry for preparing data for transmission on it. If you will, it's a ready to use data pump. I think the technical issues will be your problem. Well, yeah. :-) High speed FHSS equipment is rather complicated and requires come pretty accurate (TXCO?) signal sources. There are going to be problems. If I can't use a ethernet card, I've got a MCU in mind to do the job. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: I'm going to be building at least three of these units, assuming I get the technical issues out of the way. So I'm looking at a cheap (hardware and software) way of getting data in and out of a PC with IP support and such. It just makes sense in my POV to use a NIC. It's capable of 10 Mbps and has most of the circuitry for preparing data for transmission on it. If you will, it's a ready to use data pump. Ahh I see.. So you're basically making a ethernet-radio type of thing? Or actually mangling the card itself? Both. The problem is that you can't cram a signal moving at 10 Mbps through a radio interface designed for 256K, even if it is bandwidth limited to 256K. I'm hoping the 3C503 is ancient enough that I can slow it down by yanking it's 20. MHz crystal oscillator and feeding it a lower speed signal. I'm going to walk them down to see just how far I can go. After all, 2 Mbps isn't bad, it just requires a little more work. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. How about an I2C bus? (Or is that -too- slow?) I'll have to admit I'm totally ignorant of what this is. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Julian Elischer wrote: plip? Ideally, no. The ethernet card makes the data rather easy to handle into other means (like a radio modem). It's already serialized, packetized, has a MAC address for a link address, and it's easy to get seperate RX and TX lines out of the card, even if it is 10Base-2 (BNC). The idea is to eliminate other hardware in order to drop cost and complication. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on using one cut in half: Half duplex, but split into seperate TX and RX lines. I'm also looking at a scaleable way to go up or down in speed, without dealing with async... A layer two device if you will. RS232? RS485? VERY cheap and the later is at least moderatly resistant to noise :) Noise shouldn't be an issue. It's going to be handling clean data. By cheap, I mean $5 a pop or so. I've got a few 3C503s that I feel like cutting into. I'm going to be bearing the financial end of this project of mine, so I'm going to save where I can. :-) -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: RS232? RS485? VERY cheap and the later is at least moderatly resistant to noise Noise shouldn't be an issue. It's going to be handling clean data. By cheap, I mean $5 a pop or so. I've got a few 3C503s that I feel like cutting into. I'm going to be bearing the financial end of this project of mine, so I'm going to save where I can. :-) Well serial ports come free on all new computers ;) You're right, I should have clarifed. I'm looking to break 128K. I don't have any serial ports that I can jumper up to 460 or 230 kbps. Additionally, 256K is a nice round number :-). I'm not looking to invest in new hardware, and I can save on a bit of hardware by letting the NIC worry about the link. The NIC also greatly simplies the system. At worst, I'd need a machine with a 3C503 and a NE2000. And then I'll probably use dummynet for bandwidth limiting over the link so it doesn't get flooded. I'm going to be building at least three of these units, assuming I get the technical issues out of the way. So I'm looking at a cheap (hardware and software) way of getting data in and out of a PC with IP support and such. It just makes sense in my POV to use a NIC. It's capable of 10 Mbps and has most of the circuitry for preparing data for transmission on it. If you will, it's a ready to use data pump. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Cheap link (was: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?)
Greg Lehey wrote: I'm going to be building at least three of these units, assuming I get the technical issues out of the way. So I'm looking at a cheap (hardware and software) way of getting data in and out of a PC with IP support and such. It just makes sense in my POV to use a NIC. It's capable of 10 Mbps and has most of the circuitry for preparing data for transmission on it. If you will, it's a ready to use data pump. I think the technical issues will be your problem. Well, yeah. :-) High speed FHSS equipment is rather complicated and requires come pretty accurate (TXCO?) signal sources. There are going to be problems. If I can't use a ethernet card, I've got a MCU in mind to do the job. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: I'm going to be building at least three of these units, assuming I get the technical issues out of the way. So I'm looking at a cheap (hardware and software) way of getting data in and out of a PC with IP support and such. It just makes sense in my POV to use a NIC. It's capable of 10 Mbps and has most of the circuitry for preparing data for transmission on it. If you will, it's a ready to use data pump. Ahh I see.. So you're basically making a ethernet-radio type of thing? Or actually mangling the card itself? Both. The problem is that you can't cram a signal moving at 10 Mbps through a radio interface designed for 256K, even if it is bandwidth limited to 256K. I'm hoping the 3C503 is ancient enough that I can slow it down by yanking it's 20. MHz crystal oscillator and feeding it a lower speed signal. I'm going to walk them down to see just how far I can go. After all, 2 Mbps isn't bad, it just requires a little more work. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going even slower (256Kb!). Why do you wnat to do this? If for bandwidht limiting you need look no further than 'dummynet'. It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on using one "cut in half": Half duplex, but split into seperate TX and RX lines. I'm also looking at a scaleable way to go up or down in speed, without dealing with async... A layer two device if you will. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. How about an I2C bus? (Or is that -too- slow?) I'll have to admit I'm totally ignorant of what this is. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Julian Elischer wrote: plip? Ideally, no. The ethernet card makes the data rather easy to handle into other means (like a radio modem). It's already serialized, packetized, has a MAC address for a link address, and it's easy to get seperate RX and TX lines out of the card, even if it is 10Base-2 (BNC). The idea is to eliminate other hardware in order to drop cost and complication. -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On 28-Aug-99 Kris Kirby wrote: It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on using one "cut in half": Half duplex, but split into seperate TX and RX lines. I'm also looking at a scaleable way to go up or down in speed, without dealing with async... A layer two device if you will. RS232? RS485? VERY cheap and the later is at least moderatly resistant to noise :) Noise shouldn't be an issue. It's going to be handling "clean" data. By cheap, I mean $5 a pop or so. I've got a few 3C503s that I feel like cutting into. I'm going to be bearing the financial end of this project of mine, so I'm going to save where I can. :-) -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
Matthew N. Dodd wrote: On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kris Kirby wrote: I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going even slower (256Kb!). Why do you wnat to do this? If for bandwidht limiting you need look no further than 'dummynet'. It's not a bandwidth issue; it's a speed issue. I'm trying to find an extremely cheap way to get data in and out of a PC. I've got the National Semiconductor application sheets for the 8392(?) and plan on using one cut in half: Half duplex, but split into seperate TX and RX lines. I'm also looking at a scaleable way to go up or down in speed, without dealing with async... A layer two device if you will. -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
The WaveLan card suddenly comes to mind... Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? If I take a ethernet card [ed(4)] and change the crystal for something slower, assuming I can still get the card to work correctly (albiet slower) will it still interact properly with the ed(4) driver, or do I need to look at tweaking the kernel? In other words, can the ed(4) driver work with ethernet cards running at speeds other than 10 MHz? I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going even slower (256Kb!). -- Kris Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Are the ethernet drivers time dependent?
The WaveLan card suddenly comes to mind... Are the ethernet drivers time dependent? If I take a ethernet card [ed(4)] and change the crystal for something slower, assuming I can still get the card to work correctly (albiet slower) will it still interact properly with the ed(4) driver, or do I need to look at tweaking the kernel? In other words, can the ed(4) driver work with ethernet cards running at speeds other than 10 MHz? I know there are drivers for the WaveLan card, but I'm looking at going even slower (256Kb!). -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
X.25 drivers
# These are currently broken and are no longer shipped due to lack # of interest. #optionsCCITT #X.25 network layer #optionsISO #optionsTPIP#ISO TP class 4 over IP #optionsTPCONS #ISO TP class 0 over X.25 #optionsLLC #X.25 link layer for Ethernets #optionsHDLC#X.25 link layer for serial line s #optionsEON #ISO CLNP over IP #optionsNSIP#XNS over IP If they are not shipped, where am I to go to find them? -- Kris Kirby k...@airnet.net --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: MB86950 Support in the works?
Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Yes, I've experienced sustained transfer rates in excess of 1 MBps on a 10Base2 network, with FreeBSD 3.1 using an SMC based Kingston EtherX (ISA PnP NE2000 clone thingamabob) in one end and a nondescript Linux box in the other end. Two FreeBSD boxes (3.0-R and 2.2.8) with PCI NE2000's. -- Kris Kirby Home k...@airnet.net UAH CS kki...@cs.uah.edu WWW nomur...@hotmail.com --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
MB86950 Support in the works?
I was wondering if any adventurous individual has looked into writing a driver for the MB86950 ethernet controller. I have quite a few cards that use this chip and would be more than willing to acid-test the driver. (Ever got 1MB/s over coax? :-)) -- Kris Kirby Home k...@airnet.net UAH CS kki...@cs.uah.edu WWW nomur...@hotmail.com --- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. /not on the list :-/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
