Re: sar on FreeBSD
Sergey Babkin wrote: Sergey Babkin wrote: Terry Lambert wrote: Matthew Emmerton wrote: Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. The good news is that the Caldera management still supports the idea and approved release of these unencumbered sources under a BSD-like license (though the license has to be written yet and go though the legal department, so it will take some time). I'll keep you posted. And, well, don't expect that porting sar to BSD The license has been sent to the licensing department for approval, so hopefully it will be done some time more or less soon. If anyone wonders, the license is still there (and I've reminded the legal people about it a couple of times) and I would not hope that anything would happen about it soon. Caldera is not in the best shape and after the last few layoffs people have their hands full with other things to do. In any case, the sar cources are extremely UnixWare/OpenUNIX-oriented and I think that it's easier to rewrite sar from the man page than try to port it. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 08:25:48PM -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: their hands full with other things to do. In any case, the sar cources are extremely UnixWare/OpenUNIX-oriented and I think that it's easier to rewrite sar from the man page than try to port it. Just for reference: The linux sysstat package contains such an reimplementation. On the other hand it is so Linux-specific that it won't help a BSD version either, also it is GPL-licensed. Anyway it is a proof that an independent sar version is possible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
Sergey Babkin wrote: The good news is that the Caldera management still supports the idea and approved release of these unencumbered sources under a BSD-like license (though the license has to be written yet and go though the legal department, so it will take some time). I'll keep you posted. And, well, don't expect that porting sar to BSD The license has been sent to the licensing department for approval, so hopefully it will be done some time more or less soon. Way cool. You are a go-getter... 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
Terry Lambert wrote: Matthew Emmerton wrote: Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. If that's the case, then where are they? The only publicly available SCO sources I've been able to find are those for csope (which is hosted at SourceForge.) I downloaded them. I have them on tape... somewhere. The cscope code was released by Lucent, not SCO. http://www.sco.com/opensource doesn't exist anymore, now that Caldera owns SCO, and a search for opensource and open source on Caldera's web site only brings up hits on OpenLinux and the opensource packages that are included with it. Yes, it's incredibly hard to find anything any more, now that Caldera has taken over. Hopefully, it's just growing pains; see my other posting. OK, here is the story: SCO planned not only to release sources but also do a Linux port of sar. Some third-party company (Dynastar or some name like this) was going to do the actual port. So SCO had provided the sources (had to strip the parts copyrighted by other parties), that third-party company worked on the port for 6 months and gave up. Then some effort was spent on this port within SCO, with not much progress and was eventually closed due to financial problems. So the sar code was never actually officially released and I'm not sure from where did you download it. The good news is that the Caldera management still supports the idea and approved release of these unencumbered sources under a BSD-like license (though the license has to be written yet and go though the legal department, so it will take some time). I'll keep you posted. And, well, don't expect that porting sar to BSD will be easy: two attempts of a Linux port have failed, and as someone who has seen these sources, I can say that there are a lot of OpenUNIX (former UnixWare) dependencies and unobvious things. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
sar on FreeBSD
After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing something myself. Is there any interest in this? Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing sar comes from the SysV world. You would probably also need counters in the kernel to gather statistics. At least that is how SysV does it. Sounds like a lot of work to me. W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
In the last episode (Jan 11), Wilko Bulte said: On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing Sar and SNMP provide completely different services. Sar gives you historical reports, where SNMP is a network service that gives you only the current value of a stat. sar comes from the SysV world. You would probably also need counters in the kernel to gather statistics. At least that is how SysV does it. Sounds like a lot of work to me. There are already kernel counters for most (probably all) of the things sar would need to measure. The only problem is writing sar, sa1, sa2, and sadc. If you don't mind the GPL, the Linux systat package includes an implementation of sar. In 1999, SCO promised to release their source under MPL, but never did. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
At 05:16 PM 1/11/2002 +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing sar comes from the SysV world. You would probably also need counters in the kernel to gather statistics. At least that is how SysV does it. Sounds like a lot of work to me. It is one tool that would be very useful on BSD systems as it gives a lot more data than similar BSD tools. Anyway, Brandon Poyner sent me an excellent link (although I haven't tried the software yet): http://www.googlebit.com/bsdsar/ Seems to be exactly what I needed. Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
At 10:48 AM 1/11/2002 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Jan 11), Wilko Bulte said: On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:03:36PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote: tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing Sar and SNMP provide completely different services. Sar gives you historical reports, where SNMP is a network service that gives you only the current value of a stat. Apparently, I wasn't being very clear. I referred to SNMP because it provides a way to collect performance data. By using a tool such as MRTG you can then provide historical performance data, much in the same way as sar. I had left that tidbit as being implied, rather than explicitly stating it. and sadc. If you don't mind the GPL, the Linux systat package includes an implementation of sar. In 1999, SCO promised to release their source under MPL, but never did. Fortunately, I was provided with a link to a tool named bsdsar, which seems to provide sar capabilities. I haven't done any testing yet, but bsdsar looks promising. Anyone else interested may want to take a look. Regards, Dustin --- Dustin Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Systems Consultant http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear In the beginning the Universe was created. This has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
In the last episode (Jan 11), Terry Lambert said: Dustin Puryear wrote: After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing something myself. Is there any interest in this? Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. Well, they published a press release saying they would, but the web page referenced in the announcement never had any download links, and is now 404. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
Dustin Puryear wrote: After a month of futile searching I am unable to find a sar-like tool available for FreeBSD. I was alerted to the SNMP capabilities of FreeBSD. However, it would still be nice to have a system-level tool available that doesn't require SNMP. Does anyone know of anything for FreeBSD that is sar-like? If a sar-like tool isn't available, I may just begin writing something myself. Is there any interest in this? Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. If that's the case, then where are they? The only publicly available SCO sources I've been able to find are those for csope (which is hosted at SourceForge.) http://www.sco.com/opensource doesn't exist anymore, now that Caldera owns SCO, and a search for opensource and open source on Caldera's web site only brings up hits on OpenLinux and the opensource packages that are included with it. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
Dan Nelson wrote: Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. Well, they published a press release saying they would, but the web page referenced in the announcement never had any download links, and is now 404. Most intersting SCO web pages have 404'ed since the Caldera take-over. I think they are just taking a huge amount of time to rebadge everything, and the transition is not going very smoothely, as far as their web development team is concerned. All the useful documentation on S51K and other SCO FSs (for example) went away and now returns search results which, if you click them you get 404s. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: sar on FreeBSD
Matthew Emmerton wrote: Compile up the real sar. SCO released the sources a year or two back, now. If that's the case, then where are they? The only publicly available SCO sources I've been able to find are those for csope (which is hosted at SourceForge.) I downloaded them. I have them on tape... somewhere. The cscope code was released by Lucent, not SCO. http://www.sco.com/opensource doesn't exist anymore, now that Caldera owns SCO, and a search for opensource and open source on Caldera's web site only brings up hits on OpenLinux and the opensource packages that are included with it. Yes, it's incredibly hard to find anything any more, now that Caldera has taken over. Hopefully, it's just growing pains; see my other posting. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
