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2003-02-21 Thread Somebody
Title: Доброго
времени
суток








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4.8-PRERELEASE kernel panic

2003-02-21 Thread Michael Sharp
I just pulled down RELENG_4 at 11:45pm EST via cvsup and 'made world' like
I have for the past two years with no problems. However, after doing so, I
get the following on a reboot:

panic: still using grody create_intr interface
uptime: 0s
Automatic reboot in 15 seconds...

I am able to boot into kernel.old after unloading the default /kernel

Has something changed in 4.8-PRERELEASE that I missed in regards to make
world ?

Michael




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pcm

2003-02-21 Thread Fireel
Greetings,

I wanted to ask about the development of the pcm sound driver. 

Is there a way to contect the development team of that driver?It seems to be missing 
midi suppport and i was wandering when/if at all it is going to be created. 

Thanks in advance, 

Fireel



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Re: CVSUP of 4.7 only?

2003-02-21 Thread Tuc
> >
> > RELENG_4_7 - More current than _RELEASE, but only with critical
> > updates.
> >
>  *cough*  .. don't you read what you paste? :-P 
>
Actually, yes, I do.
> 
> What you describe, in slightly different words, is EXACTLY what
> the tag RELENG_4_7 is :-)))
> 
I thought it was 4.7 with **ONLY** security and **ONLY**
critical updates, NOT anything else. My impression was 4_7 was just
those items, 4 was those plus other non-important and "things to get us
to the next level." So your telling me that if I CVSUP 4_7, I technically
will get the same tree as 4 up until the day the uname banner changed to
4.8-PRERELEASE? Thats not my impression of what 4_7 is.

Tuc/TTSG Internet Services, Inc.

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Re: 4.8-PRERELEASE: portinstall -R XFree86 fails

2003-02-21 Thread P. U. Kruppa
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Peter Wu wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (P. U. Kruppa) writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to portinstall XFree86-4 on yesterday's
> > 4.8-PRERELEASE.
> >
> > I think I have deleted all old XFree86 packages,
> > # pkgdb -F
> > runs without any complaints.
> >
> > But portinstall -R XFree86 (I answered yes to XFree86-4) ends
> > doing imake with
>
> Have you tried portupgrade?
Yes, but of course it said XFree86 was not installed, so it
couldn't be upgraded. Thus I have to use
# portinstall -R
which is equivalent to
# portupgrade -NR

To get something running I installed XFree86 from my 4.7-RELEASE
CD. I also tried to upgrade this and was left with a dysfunctional
XFree86 System (some modules and fonts couldn't be found).
So I just stay with the 4.7 installation and hope to get gnome2
working somehow.

Uli.

>
> --
> Powered by
> FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE
>

+---+
|Peter Ulrich Kruppa|
|  -  Wuppertal -   |
|  Germany  |
+---+

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Best Gigabit NIC for FreeBSD?

2003-02-21 Thread Antony Mawer
Hi all,

I've recently been setting up a server with a D-Link DGE-500T gigabit 
ethernet card, that needs to connect to a Novell Netware 4.11 server 
over IPX. Using the nge driver, it came up on the network fine using 
TCP/IP, but had issues trying to find the Netware server. A 'tcpdump not 
ip' showed there were definately IPX traffic/SAP broadcasts being picked 
up by the card, but it refused to get up and running

Changing the card over for a 100mbit one using the vr driver picked the 
Netware server up without a problem.

Has anyone had any experience with gigabit cards running IPX under 
FreeBSD -- or just in general? We're currently investigating purchasing 
a different card to try (we were thinking probably Intel - what's 
supported best under FBSD?).

The machine in question is running 4.7-RELEASE-p2.

Thanks in advance,
Antony
PS. Please CC me in any replies, as I'm not subscribed to the list! :)

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Error in boot from CD

2003-02-21 Thread Trance Kat
Hi,
My name is Alex.  I have gotten the following error everytime I booted from 
the 5.0 release of FreeBSD.

CD Loader 1.01

Building the boot loader arguments
Read Error: 0x01
Could not find the Primary Volume Descriptor
My system is as follows:
Asus MB, Dual Processor Celeron 300's, Award Bios
thanks for your help..
Alex
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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread zerotransfer
Please send all future references to this subject to me directly so as not to cause 
problems for others.

I looked up the following in the Bible:

1) As far as a demon being a product of Christian ignorance, we didn't make it up, it 
is in the Bible - Matthew 17:18.
2) As far as whether that number is associated with evil, we didn't make it up, it is 
in the Bible - Revelation 13:18.

There are other verses in regard to my first point.  There may be other verses for my 
second point.

If you meant that Christians turned the word daemon into demon - I am not doing that.  
The word
daemon is not what I was asking about.

As far as Islam goes, what they believe is irrelevent since I am a Christian.

zerotransfers
<><



- Original Message - 
From: "Cliff Sarginson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
> This was all gone through a while back.
> A "daemon" was for the ancient Greeks something like a "guardian angel".
> It was corrupted into 'demon" with it's evil connotations by judaeo-christian
> ignorance.
> I believe that in Islam a demon is an ambivalent entity, capable of good
> and bad.
> 
> I asked A Christian friend whether 666 mean't anything bad to him.
> He asked me if I had been drinking ;).
> 
> -- 
> Regards
>Cliff Sarginson 
>The Netherlands
> 
> [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ]

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Justin Hopper
Hello zerotransfer,

I've always enjoyed religious debates, but the list probably tires of
them, and if we keep this up, one of the list admins will probably tell
us to 'take it outside'.  But as a final followup, there are sacred
numbers in every religion, as far as I know, and if we in the IT sector,
which is very number heavy, paid attention to what superstition somebody
may hold with a certain number, our jobs would become ever more
complicated.

I don't mean to belittle your religion, but I can't imagine what life
must be like to be offended by such a trivial thing as a certain number
=)

-- 
Justin Hopper
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
UNIX Systems Engineer
http://www.spry.com

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Obviously I don't think it is mythology or I wouldn't believe it :-)
> 
> Actually it is not my place to tell people what numbers they are and are not
> allowed to use.
> More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number
> was used.
> Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is
> associated with evil to at least one belief?
> See my point?
> 
> zerotransfer
> <><
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin Hopper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
> 
> 
> > Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.
> >
> > On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> > > Hello unamed person,
> > >
> > > For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> > > is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> > > coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> > > people don't have anything using port 666.
> > >
> > > Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> > > particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.
> > --
> > Justin Hopper
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > UNIX Systems Engineer
> > http://www.spry.com
> 
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mdmfs /tmp and fstab on 5.0

2003-02-21 Thread Matthias Buelow
Hi folks,

I usually mount /tmp on the swap via the following fstab entry:

/dev/da0s1b /tmp mfs rw,nosuid,nodev,nosymfollow 0 0

only this doesn't work anymore on freebsd 5.0 since mount_mfs doesn't
exist (seems to have been replaced by mdmfs).
What's the proper way to accomplish the same thing on 5.0?
I'd prefer a solution with fstab, so that /tmp gets mounted as early
as possible.

-- 
Matthias Buelow

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Re: 5.0-RELEASE kernel boot problem on acer travelmate 210TEV (laptop)

2003-02-21 Thread taxman
On Saturday 22 February 2003 03:24 am, Michael wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:46:09 +0100
> taxman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 21 February 2003 02:50 pm, Michael wrote:   (snipped)
> > > I've been using 4.X for some time with no problems(that I can remember 
=)
> > > 
> > > So i'm booting the install 5-RELEASE mini cd :
> > 
> > Ok this is getting out of hand.  5.0 is a testing release.  See:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/early-adopter.html
> > so of course it is not going to work for everything.  Development is 
> > proceeding rapidly on 5.0, so the problem you're seeing may be fixed 
already. 
> > Installing -current would be the only way to know.  if you tried that and 
got 
> > the same error, then they would love to hear about it on the -current 
mailing 
> > list so that it can be properly fixed.  It's not likely it will ever be 
fixed 
> > for 5.0 release, which is a static point on an again, rapidly moving, 
> > development track.
> > If 4.x works well then use that, or if you want to experiment try 
-current, 
> > perhaps by installing a snapshot.
> 
> Thanks, didn't realise 5-RELEASE was still current, 

It is and I didn't mean to be so harsh to you specifically.  It was more that 
so many people are missing that bit of info that maybe it should be a FAQ 
now.

> anyway how should I report something like this to current@ ?
> I mean is there some sort of "backtrace" I can do after it panics that would 
be more useful than just this oneline message? :P

boot -v (at the initial prompt) may be helpful, but I don't know on 5.0

What I was getting at was maybe this has already been fixed in the -current 
development track, so it would be really irritating to them if you asked 
about a fixed issue.
So first try installing a snapshot:
http://snapshots.jp.freebsd.org/
As explained there, they are built every day from -current sources.
If the normal installation CD ISO there boots fine, consider your problem 
fixed in -current.  You could try the bootonly or cdboot cd ISO's first, but 
they may be a bit different than the normal boot process.

If your problem is not fixed in the latest -current snapshot, then send a 
question with the ouptut of boot -v to the freebsd-current mailing list, 
perhaps along with a copy of dmesg from 4.x running on the machine in 
question.  Good luck,

Tim

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Re: procmail question a little off topic

2003-02-21 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-02-21 17:48, Warren Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, David Bear wrote:
> >  .procmailrc ==
> > PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:$HOME/bin
> > MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
> > DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox
> > #
> > # catch systems for syslog entries
> > # ppsrv3, PAC SMB server
> > :0:
> > * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > syslogs/ppsrv3
>
>   ^^^ Shouldn't this be an absolute path?  Don't count on procmail
> running in the same directory you think it is.  (Maybe just a problem,
> and not *the* problem.)

It's ok.  If you don't use an absolute path, procmail appends the
mailbox path of the rule to "${MAILDIR}/", which is already set to a
correct value in an earlier line ;-)


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Re: kde3 install

2003-02-21 Thread John Bleichert
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Brian Henning wrote:
> Subject: kde3 install
> 
> Can someone explain to me what Qt is for here and why it has to be threaded?
> thanks,
> 
> Brian
> 
> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt)
> not found. Please check your installation!
> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
> Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
> ===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
>   Please report the problem to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [maintainer] and attach
>   the "/usr/ports/games/kdegames3/work/kdegames-3.1/config.log" including
>   the output of the failure of your make command. Also, it might be a
>   good idea to provide an overview of all packages installed on your
>   system (e.g. an `ls /var/db/pkg`).
> *** Error code 1
> 

Qt is the C++ toolkit (www.trolltech.com) which KDE and it's aps are 
written with. Threading support in the libraries is required to build KDE. 
I'm not sure why, but it is explicitly required by the source build 
instructions on kde.org

HTH - JB

PS: I had problems building kdegames from CVS on a linux box too.

#  John Bleichert 
#  http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg


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"sendto in send_ip_raw" Error When Using nmap v3.0

2003-02-21 Thread Drew Tomlinson
I was trying to find web servers on my local network and used the following
nmap command:

blacksheep# nmap -v -sT -p 80 '192.168.1.*'

Things started out well but then I get the following error:


sendto in send_ip_raw: sendto(4, packet, 28, 0, 192.168.1.3, 16) => Can't
assign requested address
Sleeping 15 seconds then retrying

Any ideas on what's going on?  I'm trying to figure out what address I gave
my wireless access point as it's administered via a web interface.

Thanks,

Drew


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Re: 5.0-RELEASE kernel boot problem on acer travelmate 210TEV(laptop)

2003-02-21 Thread Michael
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:46:09 +0100
taxman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 21 February 2003 02:50 pm, Michael wrote:   (snipped)
> > I've been using 4.X for some time with no problems(that I can remember =)
> > 
> > So i'm booting the install 5-RELEASE mini cd :
> 
> Ok this is getting out of hand.  5.0 is a testing release.  See:
> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/early-adopter.html
> so of course it is not going to work for everything.  Development is 
> proceeding rapidly on 5.0, so the problem you're seeing may be fixed already. 
> Installing -current would be the only way to know.  if you tried that and got 
> the same error, then they would love to hear about it on the -current mailing 
> list so that it can be properly fixed.  It's not likely it will ever be fixed 
> for 5.0 release, which is a static point on an again, rapidly moving, 
> development track.
>   If 4.x works well then use that, or if you want to experiment try -current, 
> perhaps by installing a snapshot.

Thanks, didn't realise 5-RELEASE was still current, anyway how should I report 
something like this to current@ ?
I mean is there some sort of "backtrace" I can do after it panics that would be more 
useful than just this oneline message? :P

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger

Oh, well, what I did was get out of my X entirely to console mode,
then

pkg_delete 'qt*' 'kde*'

and then 

build it from ports.

This worked great, and my experience trying to do that sort of thing 
piecemeal has not been good.

Alternatively you could set an alternate prefix for the new QT and then 
try to get KDE to use the alternate prefix as its load library location 
but my record trying that sort of thing has not been good.


On Friday 21 February 2003 08:15 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
| On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:59:04PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger 
wrote:
| > On Friday 21 February 2003 07:42 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
| > | On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:01:55PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger
| >
| > wrote:
| > |   Well, I'd like to get KDE on one of my platforms.   At least
| > |   one reason KDE3 fails here is that the newest QT is broken. I
| > |   could get an earlier vrsion, but I'll wait.
| >
| > Are you sure?  I installed it from ports just a couple of days ago,
| > and the current (ported) Qt and kde3 worked just fine for me.
|
| 
|
| >> kdebase-3.1.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in
| >> /usr/ports/distfiles/KDE. Attempting to fetch from
| >> ftp://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/src/.
|
| Receiving kdebase-3.1.tar.bz2 (14887352 bytes): 100%
| 14887352 bytes transferred in 1115.4 seconds (13.03 kBps)
| ===>  Extracting for kdebase-3.1_1
|
| >> Checksum OK for KDE/kdebase-3.1.tar.bz2.
|
| ===>   kdebase-3.1_1 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/bin/moc - not found
| ===>Verifying install for /usr/X11R6/bin/moc in
| /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt31
| ===>  qt-3.1.1_2 is marked as broken: You have QT2 headers installed!
| Installing this port will result in conflicts between QT3 and QT2!.
| *** Error code 1
|
|
|   What's going to happen if I pkg_delete QT2?  Is  qt-3.1.1_2
|   broken for-real, or this is message because of the headers?
|
|   I'm guilty of having not chcked the Makefile.
|
|   gary
|
|   PS: My ports tree is auto-upgraded every day... .

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger



On Friday 21 February 2003 03:25 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
| On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:34AM -0800, David Cramblett wrote:
| > if you have KDE installed, try the program switchdesk on Linux.
|
|   Well, I asked for Gnome and that's all my friend
|   installed.
|
|   Where can I pull down a KDE3  *.rpm  file?
|   (This is RH v 8.0, so KDE3 should work if
|   I can find it.

Umm . . . if this is RH 8.0 why are you posting on a FreeBSD list?

For Freebsd, the easiest thing to do (thought it doesn't actually get 
the *latest* KDE) is

pkg_add -r kde3

Or, if you have more time to install it (this is easy but it takes a LOT 
of time--many hours), you can get 3.1 with

cd /usr/ports/*/kde3
make install


But for Linux, you are on the wrong list, I'm afraid.


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Re: some question

2003-02-21 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-02-20 16:46, ?? ?? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi,i have a question about tcp/ip stack,could you help me?
> when we send a tcp packet with tcp_maxopt(tcp_maxopt = min(my
> mss,mss offerd by opposite socket) +length of TCP options,as ecos
> does in function tcp_mss() of the file tcp_input.c) to IP,and IP
> insert some IP options into packet,so maybe length of whole IP
> packet > ifp->mtu,so Ip must fragment this tcp packet,and TCP failed
> to avoid fragmenting in host itsself.

> as we know,TCP always avoid to fragment as possible,maybe the
> condition above does not occur often,but it is possible.
> right?
> or wrong,please tell me,Thank you very much!

The comment above tcp_mss() says:

 * NOTE that this routine is only called when we process an incoming
 * segment, for outgoing segments only tcp_mssopt is called.

So, it won't be called for frames created by ip_output() :-)


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Re: question

2003-02-21 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-02-20 14:55, dark dragonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem.  I run /stand/sysinstall, then I go to configure
> the ttys file it invoke an editor and when I have modified and I
> want to save it it say that its a read only file when im logged as
> root what can i do for bypassing this thank

Are you trying to run /stand/sysinstall in single-user mode?  The
permissions of an installed /etc/ttyss file should allow modification
by root:

:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:36]/home/giorgos$ ls -l /etc/ttys
:   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  - 7609 Jan 27 08:20 /etc/ttys
:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:36]/home/giorgos$

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Re: CVSUP of 4.7 only?

2003-02-21 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-02-21 09:58, Tuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html
>
> So if I read it right:
>
> RELENG_4_7_0_RELEASE - First ever 4.7 release. Oldest and never
> updated past that day it was tagged
>
> RELENG_4_7 - More current than _RELEASE, but only with critical
> updates.
>
> RELENG_4 - More current than 4_7, has non critical updates and
> tweaks, but doesn't guarantee it being 4_7 branch.
>
> So there isn't a way to make sure I stay in 4.7, but get all the
> fixes, right?

 *cough*  .. don't you read what you paste? :-P 

What you describe, in slightly different words, is EXACTLY what
the tag RELENG_4_7 is :-)))

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Re: Verizon DSL & FreeBSD?

2003-02-21 Thread Rod Person
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:22:54 -0800 (PST)
R S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone know if you can get Verizon DSL working with
> FreeBSD?
> 
> TIA!

It was easier to set up on FreeBSD than it was to setup on XP!!

Rod


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Re: Problems with in the ipf setup in an FreeBSD 4.7 router

2003-02-21 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-02-21 20:08, Jim Xochellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a FreeBSD 4.7(i386) Release router I am trying to make it run
> with the ipf firewall on.
>
> I have compiled and installed a new kernel with ipf support and then I
> put the following lines inside my rc.conf file:
>
> ipfilter_enable="YES"
> ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf -Fa -f"
> ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.rules"
> ipfilter_flags=""
>
> The problem is that, when I boot, ipf does not work. It seems like is
> not using the rules.

Don't change ipfilter_program if you don't have a *very* good reason
for doing so:

$ grep ipfilter_program /etc/defaults/rc.conf
ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf"# where the ipfilter program lives

Before you change one of the xxx_program options in rc.conf you should
make sure that you understand what this change will affect, by looking
at the /etc/rc* scripts:

$ grep -l ipfilter_program /etc/rc*
rc.network
$ grep ipfilter_program /etc/rc.network
${ipfilter_program:-/sbin/ipf} -Fa
${ipfilter_program:-/sbin/ipf} \
${ipfilter_program:-/sbin/ipf} -6 \
${ipfilter_program:-/sbin/ipf} -y ${ipfilter_flags} >/dev/null

By setting ipfilter_program to "/sbin/ipf -Fa -f", that first line of
rc.network became:

/sbin/ipf -Fa -f -Fa

which doesn't work.  Similarly, the -f option at the end of your
ipfilter_program value broke all the rest of the ipf commands in
/etc/rc.network.  Delete the ipfilter_program line from your rc.conf
and the default will work fine.

Here's what I have in my rc.conf for ipfilter and ipmon:

$ grep '^ip[fm]' /etc/rc.conf
ipfilter_enable="YES"
ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.rules"
ipmon_enable="YES"
ipmon_flags="-D -s -o I"

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Gary D Kline
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:59:04PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote:
> 
> 
> On Friday 21 February 2003 07:42 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
> | On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:01:55PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger 
> wrote:
> |
> | Well, I'd like to get KDE on one of my platforms.   At least
> | one reason KDE3 fails here is that the newest QT is broken. I
> | could get an earlier vrsion, but I'll wait.
> 
> 
> Are you sure?  I installed it from ports just a couple of days ago, and 
> the current (ported) Qt and kde3 worked just fine for me.
> 


>> kdebase-3.1.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/KDE.
>> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/src/.
Receiving kdebase-3.1.tar.bz2 (14887352 bytes): 100%
14887352 bytes transferred in 1115.4 seconds (13.03 kBps)
===>  Extracting for kdebase-3.1_1
>> Checksum OK for KDE/kdebase-3.1.tar.bz2.
===>   kdebase-3.1_1 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/bin/moc - not found
===>Verifying install for /usr/X11R6/bin/moc in
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/qt31
===>  qt-3.1.1_2 is marked as broken: You have QT2 headers installed!
Installing this port will result in conflicts between QT3 and QT2!.
*** Error code 1


What's going to happen if I pkg_delete QT2?  Is  qt-3.1.1_2
broken for-real, or this is message because of the headers?

I'm guilty of having not chcked the Makefile.

gary

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Re: Toshiba Satellite 5105-S501 Install Hang

2003-02-21 Thread taxman
On Friday 21 February 2003 08:37 pm, jaymz wrote:
> I downloaded and burned the ISO's for Release-5.0 .  Running the 

Try 4.7 Release.  5.0 is new technology.  See:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/early-adopter.html


> install program from the CD gets to the boot prompt.  Pressing [enter] 
> starts the kernel, but when it gets to the 'agp0' line of the hardware 
> listing it hangs.  No further messages.
> 
> Attempting to unload/disable agp modules (desparate attempt) at the 
> 'OK ' boot prompt yielded isnane results (no difference)
> 
> I'm new to FreeBSD, first experience trying to install it (maybe I 
> should find a more common piece of hardware :-D )  Experienced with 
> OBSD and familiar with Linux.
> 
> Thanks In Advance
> 
> --
> Jaymz/(Leonard J.)
> 
> 
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"The Complete FreeBSD", third edition: errata and addenda

2003-02-21 Thread Greg Lehey








  Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, third edition




 Last revision: 2 August 1999

The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.   The  result  is  that  most  leading  edge
computer  books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
``The Complete FreeBSD'', published by Walnut  Creek,  is  no  exception.   In-
evitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

The  following  is  a list of modifications which go beyond simple typos.  They
relate to the third edition, formatted  on  17  May  1999.   You'll  find  this
information  on  page  iv  (the  page  before  the  beginning  of  the Table of
Contents).  See the end of this document for instructions on how  to  find  the
errata for an older version.

You can get the current document in four forms:

o A PostScript version, suitable for printingout,at
  ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.ps. See page 302 of the third  edition
  to  find  out  how  to print out PostScript.  If at all possible, please take
  this document: it's closest to the original text.

  Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible  to
  reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version.

o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.txt. When
  viewed with more or less,  this  version  will  show  some  highlighting  and
  underlining.  It's not suitable for direct viewing.

o An  ASCII-only  version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.ascii. This
  version is posted every week to the  FreeBSD-questions  mailing  list.   Only
  take  this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure
  that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning.

o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-3.html.

All these modifications have been applied to the ongoing  source  text  of  the
book, so if you buy a later edition, they will be in it as well.  If you find a

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bug or a suspected bug in the book, please contact me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Page ii
___

The instructions on page ii (opposite the title  page)  tell  you  to  look  at
ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2  for  the  errata  list.   That's wrong.
Look at this list.

Pages 190 and 191
_

The description is not very clear about which text appears  when  booting  from
floppy  for  initial  install,  and  which  appears when booting normally.  The
procedure is very similar, but there are some differences.  Add  the  following
text after the heading Boot messages:

You'll  boot  your system in at least two different ways: initially you'll boot
from floppy or CD-ROM in order to install the system.  Later, after the  system
is  installed,  you'll boot from hard disk.  The procedure is almost identical,
so we'll look at both versions in the following examples.

Replace the text from the middle of page 191 with:

If you're booting from 1.44 MB floppies, you will then see:

Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter:

When you insert the MFS root floppy and press  Enter,  you  see  more  twirling
batons, then the UserConfig screen appears.

UserConfig: Modifying the boot configuration


After  the  kernel has been loaded, the following screen will appear if you are
installing the system, or if you have requested it with the -c  option  to  the
boot loader:

Page 206


The  bottom  two lines on this page should be in bold constant font, indicating
that this is input for your /etc/rc.config file


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nfs_client_enable="YES"   # This host is an NFS client (or NO).
nfs_server_enable="YES"   # This host is an NFS server (or NO).


Page 265


The example on the second half of the page refers to the old SCSI driver.   The
scsi  program  is  no  longer  available  in  FreeBSD  3.x.   Instead,  use the
camcontrol program.  Replace the text with:.

Modern disks make provisions for recovering from such errors by  allocating  an
alternate sector for the data.  IDE drives do this automatically, but with SCSI
drives you have the option of enabling or disabling reallocation.   Usually  it
is  turned on when you buy them, but occasionally it is not.  When installing a
new disk, you should check that the parameters  ARRE  (Auto  Read  Reallocation
Enable)  and AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enable) are turned on.  For example,
to check and set the values for disk da1, you would enter:

# camcontrol modepage da1 -m 1 -e -P 3
# scsi -f /dev/rda1c -m 1 -e -P 3

This command will start up your favourite editor (either the one  specified  in
the EDITOR environment variable, or vi by default) with the f

"The Complete FreeBSD", second edition: errata and addenda

2003-02-21 Thread Greg Lehey








  Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition




  Last revision: 21 June 1999

The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.   The  result  is  that  most  leading  edge
computer  books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
``The Complete FreeBSD'', published by Walnut  Creek,  is  no  exception.   In-
evitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

The  following  is  a list of modifications which go beyond simple typos.  They
relate to the second edition, formatted on 16 December 1997.  If you have  this
book,  please  check this list.  If you have the first edition of 19 July 1996,
please check ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-1. This  same  file  is  also
available via the web link http://www.lemis.com/.

This list is available in four forms:

o A PostScript version, suitable for printingout,at
  ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ps. See page 222 of the book  to  find
  out  how  to  print  out  PostScript.   If  at all possible, please take this
  document: it's closest to the original text.

  Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible  to
  reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version.

o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.txt. When
  viewed with more or less,  this  version  will  show  some  highlighting  and
  underlining.  It's not suitable for direct viewing.

o An  ASCII-only  version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ascii. This
  version is posted every week to the  FreeBSD-questions  mailing  list.   Only
  take  this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure
  that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning.

o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html.

All these modifications have been applied to the ongoing  source  text  of  the
book, so if you buy a later edition, they will be in it as well.  If you find a

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bug or a suspected bug in the book, please contact me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

General changes
___


o In a number of places, I suggest the use of the  following  command  to  find
  process information:

  $ ps aux | grep foo

  Unfortunately,  ps  is sensitive to the column width of the terminal emulator
  upon which it is working.  This command usually works fine  on  a  relatively
  wide  xterm,  but if you're running on an 80-column terminal, it may truncate
  exactly the information you're looking for, so you end  up  with  no  output.
  You can fix that with the w option:

  $ ps waux | grep foo

  Thanks to Sue Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for this information


Location of the sample files


On  the  2.2.5 CD-ROM only, the location of the sample files does not match the
specifications in the book (/book on the first CD-ROM).  The 2.2.5 CD-ROM  came
out before the book, and it contains the files on the third (repository) CD-ROM
as a single gzipped tar file  /xperimnt/cfbsd/cfbsd.tar.gz.   It  contains  the
following files:

drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh   0 Oct 17 13:01 1997 cfbsd/
drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh   0 Oct 17 13:01 1997 cfbsd/mutt/
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 352 Oct 15 15:21 1997 cfbsd/mutt/.mail_aliases
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh9394 Oct 15 15:22 1997 cfbsd/mutt/.muttrc
drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh   0 Oct 17 14:02 1997 cfbsd/scripts/
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh   18281 Oct 16 16:52 1997 cfbsd/scripts/.fvwm2rc
-rwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh1392 Oct 17 12:54 1997 cfbsd/scripts/install-desktop
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 296 Oct 17 12:35 1997 cfbsd/scripts/.xinitrc
-rwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh 622 Oct 17 13:51 1997 cfbsd/scripts/install-rcfiles
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh1133 Oct 17 13:00 1997 cfbsd/scripts/Uutry
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh1028 Oct 17 14:02 1997 cfbsd/scripts/README
drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh   0 Oct 18 19:32 1997 cfbsd/docs/
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh  199111 Oct 16 14:29 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages.txt

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-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh  189333 Oct 16 14:28 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages-by-category.txt
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh  188108 Oct 16 14:29 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages.ps
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh  226439 Oct 16 14:27 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages-by-category.ps
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 788 Oct 16 15:01 1997 cfbsd/README
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh 248 Oct 17 11:52 1997 cfbsd/errata

To  extract  one  of these files, say cfbsd/docs/packages.txt, and assuming you
have the CD-ROM mounted as /cdrom, enter:

# cd /usr/share/doc
# tar xvzf /cdrom/xperimnt/cfbsd/cfbsd.tar.gz cfbsd/docs/packages.txt

See page 209 for more information on using tar.

These files are an early version of what is described in the book.  I'll put up
some upda

How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions

2003-02-21 Thread Greg Lehey
How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions.
===

Last update 28 January 2002, $Id: Howto-ask-questions,v 1.3 2003/01/28 00:26:41 grog 
Exp $

This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list.  If
you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender
thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your
message:

- You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate.
- You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read.
- You asked more than one unrelated question in one message.
- You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone.
- You sent out the same message more than once.
- You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions.

If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you
will get more than one copy of this message from different people.
Read on, and your next message will be more successful.

This document is also available on the web at
http://www.lemis.com/questions.html.

=

Contents:

I:Introduction
II:   How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
III:  Should I ask -questions or -hackers?
IV:   How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions
V:How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions

I: Introduction
===

This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from
FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the
questions (the "hackers").

   Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking
   into other people's computers.  The correct term for the latter
   activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out
   yet.  The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking
   security, and have nothing to do with it.

In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the
different viewpoints of the two groups.  The newcomers accused the
hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers
accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English,
and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.  Of
course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the
most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration.

In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration
and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions.  In the
following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that,
we'll look at how to answer one.

II:  How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
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If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going
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III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers?
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Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD,
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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


On Friday 21 February 2003 07:42 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
| On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:01:55PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger 
wrote:
| > On Friday 21 February 2003 03:25 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
| > | On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:34AM -0800, David Cramblett wrote:
| > | > if you have KDE installed, try the program switchdesk on Linux.
| > |
| > |   Well, I asked for Gnome and that's all my friend
| > |   installed.
| > |
| > |   Where can I pull down a KDE3  *.rpm  file?
| > |   (This is RH v 8.0, so KDE3 should work if
| > |   I can find it.
| >
| > Umm . . . if this is RH 8.0 why are you posting on a FreeBSD list?
| >
| > For Freebsd, the easiest thing to do (thought it doesn't actually
| > get the *latest* KDE) is
| >
| > pkg_add -r kde3
| >
| > Or, if you have more time to install it (this is easy but it takes
| > a LOT of time--many hours), you can get 3.1 with
| >
| > cd /usr/ports/*/kde3
| > make install
|
|   Well, I'd like to get KDE on one of my platforms.   At least
|   one reason KDE3 fails here is that the newest QT is broken. I
|   could get an earlier vrsion, but I'll wait.


Are you sure?  I installed it from ports just a couple of days ago, and 
the current (ported) Qt and kde3 worked just fine for me.

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Re: procmail question a little off topic

2003-02-21 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, David Bear wrote:

>  .procmailrc ==
> # Frisch, SA, p 602
> PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:$HOME/bin
> MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
> DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox
> #
> # catch systems for syslog entries
> # ppsrv3, PAC SMB server
> :0:
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> syslogs/ppsrv3

  ^^^ Shouldn't this be an absolute path?  Don't count on procmail
running in the same directory you think it is.  (Maybe just a problem,
and not *the* problem.)

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Gary D Kline
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:01:55PM -0500, Brian T. Schellenberger wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday 21 February 2003 03:25 pm, Gary D Kline wrote:
> | On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:34AM -0800, David Cramblett wrote:
> | > if you have KDE installed, try the program switchdesk on Linux.
> |
> | Well, I asked for Gnome and that's all my friend
> | installed.
> |
> | Where can I pull down a KDE3  *.rpm  file?
> | (This is RH v 8.0, so KDE3 should work if
> | I can find it.
> 
> Umm . . . if this is RH 8.0 why are you posting on a FreeBSD list?
> 
> For Freebsd, the easiest thing to do (thought it doesn't actually get 
> the *latest* KDE) is
> 
> pkg_add -r kde3
> 
> Or, if you have more time to install it (this is easy but it takes a LOT 
> of time--many hours), you can get 3.1 with
> 
> cd /usr/ports/*/kde3
> make install
> 

Well, I'd like to get KDE on one of my platforms.   At least 
one reason KDE3 fails here is that the newest QT is broken. I
could get an earlier vrsion, but I'll wait.

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Re: CVSUP of 4.7 only?

2003-02-21 Thread taxman

sorry I missed this part of the thread. see my other post too.

On Friday 21 February 2003 03:58 pm, Tuc wrote:
> > CVS Tag list:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html
> > 
>   So if I read it right:
> 
>   RELENG_4_7_0_RELEASE - First ever 4.7 release. Oldest and never
> updated past that day it was tagged

I think so.  *Critical* fixes used to go into the release itself, which got 
confusing and I think that is why the release branches were made.

>   RELENG_4_7 - More current than _RELEASE, but only with critical
> updates.

yep basically.  It results in point releases along the release branch.  I 
think there are like 15 on the 4.7 brnach now.  I can't figure out how ot 
tell without upgrading or if there is a way to upgrade to a specific one.

>   RELENG_4 - More current than 4_7, has non critical updates and
> tweaks, but doesn't guarantee it being 4_7 branch.

yes, see my other post.

>   So there isn't a way to make sure I stay in 4.7, but get all the
> fixes, right?

That's true. FreeBSD is a fast moving target and to add both features and bug 
fixes you have to move on, which is what 4-stable does.
Personally I'd like to see the release branches have a lot more stability 
fixes along with the security fixes.  But this could require massive amounts 
of work and there are only so many people and resources to go around.  
Maintaining the release branches with only security fixes is I'm sure already 
a great deal of work, and is a great step in the right direction I believe.
I dunno, maybe it would be possible for only the last release branch to get 
stability fixes along with security fixes.  That may just work.  I've wanted 
something like that for years.  It would bring FreeBSD farther along in being 
the most stable free OS out there and satisfy the needs of the super 
conservative.
Personally I'd rather have a super super stable OS, I don't really care about 
performance beyond a reasonable point.  I'd like to get to the point where 
there are FreeBSD releases as bug free as Tex.  I think that is possible with 
the release branches.

Tim

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Re: CVSUP of 4.7 only?

2003-02-21 Thread Kent Stewart
On Friday 21 February 2003 10:10 am, taxman wrote:
> On Friday 21 February 2003 03:16 pm, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > On Friday 21 February 2003 06:08 am, Tuc wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >   I have :
> > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4
> > >
> > >   in my stable-supfile, and on one machine all of a sudden on the
> > > last update I have :
> > >
> > > FreeBSD vjofn.ttsg.com 4.8-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.8-PRERELEASE #1:
> > > Thu Feb 20 13:5 2:11 EST 2003
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VJOFN  i386
> > >
> > >   Heres my problem. I've been CVSUPing machines with RELENG_4, is
> > > there a way I can continue only with the 4.7 tree? I tried :
> > >
> > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_7
>
> That is correct to continue with the 4.7 release branch.  See below
>
> > >   and it looked like it was re-checking out everything.
> >
> > That is what it was doing. You were checking out 4.7-release plus
> > security fixes.
>
> correct.  Tuc, you were in essence reverting to 4.7 release plus the
> security fixes, which is behind in the development tree from 4-stable
> (4.x) which is rapidly approaching 4.8-release.
>
> > > Does that mean
> > > it was getting 4.7 as it was first released,
>
> No, it is the release branch.  It is possible to get it as it was
> first released with a different tag, but why would you unless one of
> the security fixes broke something for you?

Never mind what I said. I was in a hurry and didn't read it properly.

He was following stable and none of the above will get that back for 
him. As a current version, 4.7-stable is gone, since RELENG_4 is now 
called

FreeBSD ruby 4.8-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.8-PRERELEASE #30: Tue Feb 18 
20:10:15 PST 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr2/obj/usr/src/sys/RUBY  
i386


Kent

>
> >> and when I did
> >>
> > > "RELENG_4" it was 4.X as current as it was?
>
> yes
>
> > > Is there another tag for
> > > "4.7 most current"?
> >
> >There is no more 4.7 most current.
>
> Kent, that is not correct.  That is what the release branch *is*. 
> 4.7 release plus security fixes. and the tag for it is as above. 
> see:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.ht
>ml
>
> >You could set the
> > date on your cvsup but there won't be any more changes to
> > 4.7-stable.
>
> There is no such thing as 4.7-stable
>
> > It doesn't exist in the current tree. In a while, RELENG_4 will be
> > 4.8-release and then 4.8-stable.
>
> That's a way of thinking of it, but a confusing one, and not the one
> used by the project.  The stable tree only has a major number like
> 4-stable or eventually 5-stable.  The releases are static points
> along the moving stable development track  like this
>
>
> --\\\->4.x stable
> \   \   \
>  \-4.6Rel \-4.7Rel \-4.8Rel  (soon)
>\
> \-4.7Rel-p1
>  \
>   \-4.7Rel-p2   etc
>
> 4-stable is called 4-stable throughout the process of branching off
> releases, to avoid confusion. (which changing the name of 4-stable
> after every release could cause.)   It's just the way it's done.
>
> Tim

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Richland, WA

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Re: CVSUP of 4.7 only?

2003-02-21 Thread Kent Stewart
On Friday 21 February 2003 10:10 am, taxman wrote:
> On Friday 21 February 2003 03:16 pm, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > On Friday 21 February 2003 06:08 am, Tuc wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >   I have :
> > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4
> > >
> > >   in my stable-supfile, and on one machine all of a sudden on the
> > > last update I have :
> > >
> > > FreeBSD vjofn.ttsg.com 4.8-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.8-PRERELEASE #1:
> > > Thu Feb 20 13:5 2:11 EST 2003
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VJOFN  i386
> > >
> > >   Heres my problem. I've been CVSUPing machines with RELENG_4, is
> > > there a way I can continue only with the 4.7 tree? I tried :
> > >
> > > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_7
>
> That is correct to continue with the 4.7 release branch.  See below
>
> > >   and it looked like it was re-checking out everything.
> >
> > That is what it was doing. You were checking out 4.7-release plus
> > security fixes.
>
> correct.  Tuc, you were in essence reverting to 4.7 release plus the
> security fixes, which is behind in the development tree from 4-stable
> (4.x) which is rapidly approaching 4.8-release.
>
> > > Does that mean
> > > it was getting 4.7 as it was first released,
>
> No, it is the release branch.  It is possible to get it as it was
> first released with a different tag, but why would you unless one of
> the security fixes broke something for you?
>
> >> and when I did
> >>
> > > "RELENG_4" it was 4.X as current as it was?
>
> yes
>
> > > Is there another tag for
> > > "4.7 most current"?
> >
> >There is no more 4.7 most current.
>
> Kent, that is not correct.  That is what the release branch *is*. 
> 4.7 release plus security fixes. and the tag for it is as above. 
> see:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.ht
>ml

Not true. See the following

RELENG_4_7

The release branch for FreeBSD-4.7, used only for security advisories 
and other seriously critical fixes.

The release is

RELENG_4_7_0_RELEASE

FreeBSD 4.7

Kent
>
> >You could set the
> > date on your cvsup but there won't be any more changes to
> > 4.7-stable.
>
> There is no such thing as 4.7-stable
>
> > It doesn't exist in the current tree. In a while, RELENG_4 will be
> > 4.8-release and then 4.8-stable.
>
> That's a way of thinking of it, but a confusing one, and not the one
> used by the project.  The stable tree only has a major number like
> 4-stable or eventually 5-stable.  The releases are static points
> along the moving stable development track  like this
>
>
> --\\\->4.x stable
> \   \   \
>  \-4.6Rel \-4.7Rel \-4.8Rel  (soon)
>\
> \-4.7Rel-p1
>  \
>   \-4.7Rel-p2   etc
>
> 4-stable is called 4-stable throughout the process of branching off
> releases, to avoid confusion. (which changing the name of 4-stable
> after every release could cause.)   It's just the way it's done.
>
> Tim

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Re: CVSUP of 4.7 only?

2003-02-21 Thread taxman
On Friday 21 February 2003 03:16 pm, Kent Stewart wrote:
> On Friday 21 February 2003 06:08 am, Tuc wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have :
> > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4
> >
> > in my stable-supfile, and on one machine all of a sudden on the last
> > update I have :
> >
> > FreeBSD vjofn.ttsg.com 4.8-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.8-PRERELEASE #1: Thu
> > Feb 20 13:5 2:11 EST 2003
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VJOFN  i386
> >
> > Heres my problem. I've been CVSUPing machines with RELENG_4, is
> > there a way I can continue only with the 4.7 tree? I tried :
> >
> > *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_7

That is correct to continue with the 4.7 release branch.  See below

> > and it looked like it was re-checking out everything.

> That is what it was doing. You were checking out 4.7-release plus 
> security fixes. 
correct.  Tuc, you were in essence reverting to 4.7 release plus the security 
fixes, which is behind in the development tree from 4-stable (4.x) which is 
rapidly approaching 4.8-release.

> > Does that mean
> > it was getting 4.7 as it was first released,

No, it is the release branch.  It is possible to get it as it was first 
released with a different tag, but why would you unless one of the security 
fixes broke something for you?

>> and when I did
> > "RELENG_4" it was 4.X as current as it was? 

yes

> > Is there another tag for
> > "4.7 most current"?

>There is no more 4.7 most current. 

Kent, that is not correct.  That is what the release branch *is*.  4.7 release 
plus security fixes. and the tag for it is as above.  see:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html

>You could set the 
> date on your cvsup but there won't be any more changes to 4.7-stable. 

There is no such thing as 4.7-stable

> It doesn't exist in the current tree. In a while, RELENG_4 will be 
> 4.8-release and then 4.8-stable.

That's a way of thinking of it, but a confusing one, and not the one used by 
the project.  The stable tree only has a major number like 4-stable or 
eventually 5-stable.  The releases are static points along the moving stable 
development track  like this


--\\\->4.x stable
\   \   \
 \-4.6Rel \-4.7Rel \-4.8Rel  (soon)
 \
  \-4.7Rel-p1
   \
\-4.7Rel-p2   etc

4-stable is called 4-stable throughout the process of branching off releases, 
to avoid confusion. (which changing the name of 4-stable after every release 
could cause.)   It's just the way it's done.

Tim

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Wireless network design

2003-02-21 Thread Emmanuel Gravel
I know someone who was able to accomplish something interesting using Orinoco
cards, a Cisco 350 AP, and a RADIUS server in the network. When a laptop
attempts to connect to the network through the wireless card, the RADIUS server
authenticates the network credetials and then passes a wep key using a
encrypted tunnel. This requires a server for the RADIUS authentication and
certificates on the machine to encrypt the original login username and
password. Also, the WEP keys are assigned by the network, are only valid for
the session, and are rehashed every minute or so.

I wasn't able to get too many details of this setup, but I'd like to know if
this makes sense to anyone, and more so, if any/all of this is
hardware-specific, which would mean having to purchase the Orinoco cards. I'd
want to accomplish something similar, however I want to have my FreeBSD box
serve as the access point. And I want it to be in infrastructure mode, not
ad-hoc, so I can't use the Orinoco cards for this.

Thanks!


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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:11:22PM +0100, Henrik W Lund wrote:
> >From: Justin Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
> >Date: 21 Feb 2003 11:42:05 -0800
> >
> >Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.
> >
> >On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> >> Hello unamed person,
> >>
> >> For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> >> is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> >> coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> >> people don't have anything using port 666.
> >>
> >> Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> >> particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.
> >--
> >Justin Hopper
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >UNIX Systems Engineer
> >http://www.spry.com
> 
> 
> And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;)
> 
This was all gone through a while back.
A "daemon" was for the ancient Greeks something like a "guardian angel".
It was corrupted into 'demon" with it's evil connotations by judaeo-christian
ignorance.
I believe that in Islam a demon is an ambivalent entity, capable of good
and bad.

I asked A Christian friend whether 666 mean't anything bad to him.
He asked me if I had been drinking ;).

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   The Netherlands

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Re: SoftUpdates on /

2003-02-21 Thread Lowell Gilbert
"John Straiton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > On Friday 21 February 2003 08:10 am, Alistair Phillips wrote:
> > | Hi guys,
> > 
> > |
> > | So I enabled SoftUpdates when I was busy with FDISK at the install 
> > | time and now it seems like it may have been a bad idea.  Now I know 
> > | 4GB is not much but it seems that there is no more space 
> > left.  And at 
> > | times df -h will tell me there is -180MB available on / !  
> > [  Dont get 
> > | me wrong here, I am not saying that SoftUpdates is causing 
> > me lack of 
> > | space. ]
> 
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#SAFE-SOFTUPDATES
> 
> Right from the horse's mouth so to speak as to the odd disk space
> results of using soft-updates.

A little out-of-date, even; the filesystem code has recently been
adjusted to do garbage collection before reporting an out-of-space
problem.  [Not that this has much effect on the concerns in question.]

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Re: 5.0-RELEASE kernel boot problem on acer travelmate 210TEV (laptop)

2003-02-21 Thread taxman
On Friday 21 February 2003 02:50 pm, Michael wrote:   (snipped)
> I've been using 4.X for some time with no problems(that I can remember =)
> 
> So i'm booting the install 5-RELEASE mini cd :

Ok this is getting out of hand.  5.0 is a testing release.  See:
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/early-adopter.html
so of course it is not going to work for everything.  Development is 
proceeding rapidly on 5.0, so the problem you're seeing may be fixed already. 
Installing -current would be the only way to know.  if you tried that and got 
the same error, then they would love to hear about it on the -current mailing 
list so that it can be properly fixed.  It's not likely it will ever be fixed 
for 5.0 release, which is a static point on an again, rapidly moving, 
development track.
If 4.x works well then use that, or if you want to experiment try -current, 
perhaps by installing a snapshot.

As a side note, should we put something in the FAQ about this, pointing to 
the early adopters guide perhaps?  I'll write it up if someone will mark it 
up and commit it.
Just my thoughts,

Tim



> 
> Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt.
> Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel] in 8 seconds...
> 
> Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help.
> OK set hint.acpi.0.disabled=1
> OK boot kernel
> 
> .
> .
> 
> Preloaded mfs_root "/boot/mfsroot" at 0xc0600a8.
> Timercounter "i8254"   frequency 1193182 Hz
> Timercounter "TSC"  frequency 697419320 Hz
> CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (697.42-MHz 686-class CPU)
>  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  id = 0x686  Stepping = 6
>  
Features=0x383f9ff
> real memory  = 125763584 (119 MB)
> avail memory = 36768 (105 MB)
> Initializing GEOMetry subsystem
> Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
> md0: Preloaded image  4423680 bytes at 0xc062679c
> npx0:  on motherboard
> npx0: INT 16 interface
> Using: $PIR table, 5 entries at 0xc00fb9d0
> pcib0:  port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
> pci0:  on pcib0
> agp0:  mem 0xe000-0xe3ff at device 
0.0 on pci0
> panic: contigmalloc1: size must not be 0
> Uptime: 1s
> Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort


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Re: setting up server (was by daniel warfe)

2003-02-21 Thread taxman
On Friday 21 February 2003 02:30 pm, Bill Moran wrote:
> daniel warfe wrote:
> > The charity currently contains 2 sites which are the main charity site 
> > and a shop front site. The shop front tries to make enough income to 
> > support the charity and cover daily operating costs.
> > 
> > Currently I am looking at a 256k ADSL connection which will be installed 
> > at the main charity site and a 56K modem will be installed so the shop 
> > front will be dialing in to the main site to provide internet access.
> > 
> > What i need to know is how easy would it be to set up FreeBSD as a 
> > server to proved both the connection to the internet, internet to lan 
> > users as well as being a dial in server so the shop site can connect in 
> > to use the internet and possible backup files to the server.
> 
> Easy is a relative term.  I think it would be very easy ... then again,
> I've done it before.
> 
> > I am spent some time using unix/solaris but most of it has been follow 
> > the bouncing ball or locating answers of websites.
> 
> I think that between the FreeBSD hanbook, and articles at various websites
> (especially FreeBSD Diary) you should be able to accomplish what you want
> with few hiccups.  Don't promise any deployment dates if this is the first
> time you've done this, though.  Take some time to test and make sure it
> works as you want.

I agree.  Everything you want to do can be done with FreeBSD, it is then just 
a question of learning how to do it.  Read the right documentation, and after 
that ask some questions here and you should be fine.

Tim

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Re: laptop power managment

2003-02-21 Thread Marcel Stangenberger
> Hello-
> i have a laptop that i run bsd4.7 on that i like to leave up for long periods of
> time. What i would like to do is put the monitor flap down. when i do that the
> power management kicks in and starts turning things off for example my (PCMCIA
> nic). i don't want it to do that anymore. is there a document out there that can
> help me configure bsd not to turn these devices off?
>

Most laptops allow this to be changed in the bios, since the bios
determins that should be done when the lid is closed.

Marcel

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laptop power managment

2003-02-21 Thread Brian Henning
Hello-
i have a laptop that i run bsd4.7 on that i like to leave up for long periods of
time. What i would like to do is put the monitor flap down. when i do that the
power management kicks in and starts turning things off for example my (PCMCIA
nic). i don't want it to do that anymore. is there a document out there that can
help me configure bsd not to turn these devices off?

thanks,
b

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Java only runs locally?

2003-02-21 Thread Charles Jensen
New to the FreeBSD mailing list, so please excuse me if I've goofed
something up :)

I'm running FreeBSD 4.7, KDE 3.1 with Mozilla 1.2.1.  Using JDK 1.3.1 I can
run all the demo Java scripts(locally) installed.  When attempting to run
Java on the Internet (using Mozilla, or Konqueror) I keep getting 'Applet
not started' errors.  I'm not running a proxy, although I am behind a
Linksys router.  I've tried man paging and googling but have not been able
to resolve this issue.  I'm thinking it's either a permission(s) issue or
Java config problem, but have run out of ideas on where to look.
Thoughts,
ideas or points in the right direction are welcome.

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Hardware monitoring under FreeBSD

2003-02-21 Thread Kirill Ponazdyr
Hi,

What is the current status of hardware monitoring under FreeBSD ? In
partucular we are in need to monitor the status of our ATA HDDs via
S.M.A.R.T interface and read the onboard temperature sensors.

Regards

Kirill



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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread zerotransfer

I assure you I was not trying to start a problem.  I tried emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on 2/17/03 and I got the below error message.  I think I have actually tried [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
in the past and also got an error message but I am not sure.  
Can you give me any other email addresses to try?  I would really like to hear from 
someone at
freebsd directly who knows why it was used.

If not I might try [EMAIL PROTECTED] again.

It would dissappoint me if a flame war started over simply asking a question.  Since 
this may be
the case, maybe if anyone else wants to respond to me they can do so to me directly?  
No need to start a problem on this list.

zerotransfer
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From: "Bill Moran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Chuck Swiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example


> Chuck Swiger wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that 
> >> number
> >> was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that
> >> is associated with evil to at least one belief?  See my point?
> > 
> > 
> > Certainly.  Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know 
> > that Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal.
> > 
> > [ "rw-rw-rw-" is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal.  "666" in 
> > decimal corresponds to Unix mode "--w--rx-wt", not that either one has 
> > any religious connotations whatsoever.  It must be nice to not have any 
> > genuine or substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters 
> > to anyone ]
> 
> Please don't do this.  This is off-topic and is a flame-war starting.
> 
> To the person that started this discussion, if you feel offended by the
> use of 666 in an example, you should either email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
> bring it up, or file a PR asking it to be changed.  This is the wrong
> list for this discussion.
> 
> To everyone else.  If the person who started this thread is not a troll,
> he certainly posted a message that had the effect of trolling.  Please
> don't feed.
> 
> -- 
> Bill Moran
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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Kevin Stevens
> On Friday 21 February 2003 22:11, Henrik W Lund wrote:
> Just because something is red, has horns and carries a glowy tridant, is
> it  neciserally evil? :P

I don't think so, you've just described a Maserati!

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Re: USB flash drive mount - da device?

2003-02-21 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Darren Spruell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> Generally I use the command 'mount -t msdos /dev/rda0s1 /mnt' to mount 
> this to my filesystem. Sometimes it works, sometimes it fails. When it 
> does work I can only mount it as root. In order to be able to mount this 
> as a regular user, do I have to put some flags into a line in 
> /etc/fstab? What would be the best way to make this drive user mountable?

This is a FAQ. See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#USER-FLOPPYMOUNT
>.

> The other question is, is there a better way to mount up the device or 
> control it via a usb tool or is the way I am doing it correct?

You don't need usbd to do this. You could use usbd to mount the device
when it is attached, if you really wanted to. However, you can't use
usbd to umount it, because you have to do that *before* you detach it,
so that seems pretty pointless. If you want to automount on attach
anyway, see the usbd.conf man page.

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Re: I dont seem able to post here :-(

2003-02-21 Thread chuck odonnell
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:14:20PM -, Chris Phillips wrote:
> 
> Now I just have to figure out the values I need to put into /etc/fstab,
> so I can do without the mount command...
> 

mount -p


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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Bill Moran
Chuck Swiger wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that 
number
was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that
is associated with evil to at least one belief?  See my point?


Certainly.  Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know 
that Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal.

[ "rw-rw-rw-" is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal.  "666" in 
decimal corresponds to Unix mode "--w--rx-wt", not that either one has 
any religious connotations whatsoever.  It must be nice to not have any 
genuine or substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters 
to anyone ]
Please don't do this.  This is off-topic and is a flame-war starting.

To the person that started this discussion, if you feel offended by the
use of 666 in an example, you should either email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
bring it up, or file a PR asking it to be changed.  This is the wrong
list for this discussion.
To everyone else.  If the person who started this thread is not a troll,
he certainly posted a message that had the effect of trolling.  Please
don't feed.
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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread zerotransfer

A personal attack early in your email, you didn't waste time.

Actually what 666 corresponds to in decimal or what it is in base 8 is irrelevant to 
me.
If 666 was the most secure or insecure chmod number than I might think that had 
something 
to do with it.  The point being the significance of the motivation for using it and I 
know of no 
special significance as opposed to another number except for the obvious connotation.


zerotransfer
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From: "Chuck Swiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number
> > was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that
> > is associated with evil to at least one belief?  See my point?
> 
> Certainly.  Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know that 
> Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal.
> 
> [ "rw-rw-rw-" is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal.  "666" in decimal 
> corresponds to Unix mode "--w--rx-wt", not that either one has any religious 
> connotations whatsoever.  It must be nice to not have any genuine or 
> substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters to anyone ]
> 
> -Chuck
> 
> Chuck Swiger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | All your packets are belong to us.
> -+---+---
> "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts
>  is to ignore them."  -Celia Green

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Re: I dont seem able to post here :-(

2003-02-21 Thread Chris Phillips
> Chris Phillips wrote:
> > What be my problem?

Bill wrote: -
> Check the issues listed here:
>
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#FREEBSD-M
AIL-BOUNCES
>
> --
> Bill Moran

Having established that I can post (I think i may have been a proper
dullard - need I mention HTML mail?), I was composing an email all about
how I was having trouble mounting my ext2 disk, when I figured it out
;-)

Now I just have to figure out the values I need to put into /etc/fstab,
so I can do without the mount command...

I am googling some more so this topis can safely be put to bed...

Many thanks for the replies BTW ;-)

CJP




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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Chuck Swiger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number
was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that
is associated with evil to at least one belief?  See my point?
Certainly.  Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know that 
Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal.

[ "rw-rw-rw-" is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal.  "666" in decimal 
corresponds to Unix mode "--w--rx-wt", not that either one has any religious 
connotations whatsoever.  It must be nice to not have any genuine or 
substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters to anyone ]

-Chuck

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   -+---+---
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Re: Netmasks for aliases (was Re: Bizarre Networking Problem)

2003-02-21 Thread Mark
- Original Message -
From: "Willie Viljoen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 7:24 PM
Subject: Netmasks for aliases (was Re: Bizarre Networking Problem)

> On Friday 21 February 2003 19:17, Mark wrote:
>
> > > /sbin/ifconfig xl0 192.246.38.10 netmask 255.255.255.0
> > > /sbin/ifconfig xl0 alias 208.23.240.10 netmask 255.255.255.0
> >
> > Hmm, I thought aliases always needed to have netmask of 255.255.255.255.
> > Has something changed?
> >
> > - Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> Aliases on the same subnet should always be 255.255.255.255, this does not
> apply where they are on different subnets, however. Here is a good
> example, from the ifconfig output of a mail server I set up at an ISP in a
> nearby town. They used to use a private range, but have since added a
> public class C which has been broken up into smaller ranges for routing.
>
> The mail server, for legacy reasons, still has to serve people on the old
> IPs because those are still being used by machines in their office, and
> reconfiguring every office machine with new server IP addresses (they
> didn't have internal DNS then) would be wasting time. We didn't want to
> waste public IPs on beancounters, so we just left their machines as is.
>
> The host is also serving on the new IP, and acting as a POP server for
> several virtual domains, which have aliases. The 10.0.1.0/24 range (their
> office), and the 196.38.113.0/27 range (used for their server farm +
> virtual domains) are still the same physical network though. The output
> from ifconfig follows:
>
> %ifconfig
> dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
> inet 196.38.113.2 netmask 0xffe0 broadcast 196.38.113.31
> inet6 fe80::a00:8ff:fe00:800%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
> inet 196.38.113.3 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.3
> inet 196.38.113.5 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.5
> inet 196.38.113.6 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.6
> inet 196.38.113.7 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.7
> inet 196.38.113.8 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.8
> inet 196.38.113.9 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.9
> inet 196.38.113.10 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.10
> inet 196.38.113.11 netmask 0x broadcast 196.38.113.11
> inet 10.0.1.4 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.1.255
> inet 10.0.1.5 netmask 0x broadcast 10.0.1.5
> ether 08:00:08:00:08:00
> media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX )
> status: active
> lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384
> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
> inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
> inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
>
> Note how 196.38.113.2 (the machine's real address) has a netmask of
> 0xffe0, or 255.255.255.224, and the other addresses in this range (all
> of them aliases) have 0x, 255.255.255.255. Then look at 10.0.1.4,
> which is an alias too. It has a netmask of 0xff00, or 255.255.255.0.
> Now look at 10.0.1.5, an alias used for serving intranet web content to
> legacy machines. Again, a netmask of 0x.
>
> The reason for this is that 10.0.1.4, even though being an alias, is the
> first address the machine handles on that subnet. Just as 196.38.113.2 is
> the first address the machine has on the public subnet.
>
> Rule of thumb: First address on a subnet, alias or not, has the proper
> subnet netmask. Every other address on the subnet following that, has
> 0x, or 255.255.255.255.
>
> Will


Thanks for clarifying this, Will. :) That was a very lucid and helpful
explanation.

- Mark


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Re: I dont seem able to post here :-(

2003-02-21 Thread Bill Moran
Chris Phillips wrote:
What be my problem?
Check the issues listed here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#FREEBSD-MAIL-BOUNCES
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Re: CCCCAN UUUU ANSWER MEEE

2003-02-21 Thread Marcel Stangenberger
> Please do not use this sort of language on
> the FreeBSD mailing list. I suggest rethinking and
> rewording before anyone answers this.
> --Ugen
>
> dark dragonz wrote:
>
> >WHY the fucking ttys conf file is read-only so i cant
> >modify it.
> >when I open it in /stand/sysinstall  i cant save my
> >FUCKING changes because it is a read only
> >

and while you're in the process of rewriting your question you might want
to add some more information about the file, the rights on the file and as
which user you're running /stand/sysinstall

Marcel

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Re: CCCCAN UUUU ANSWER MEEE

2003-02-21 Thread Ugen
Please do not use this sort of language on
the FreeBSD mailing list. I suggest rethinking and
rewording before anyone answers this.
--Ugen
dark dragonz wrote:

WHY the fucking ttys conf file is read-only so i cant
modify it.
when I open it in /stand/sysinstall  i cant save my
FUCKING changes because it is a read only
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CCCCAN UUUU ANSWER MEEE

2003-02-21 Thread dark dragonz
WHY the fucking ttys conf file is read-only so i cant
modify it.
when I open it in /stand/sysinstall  i cant save my
FUCKING changes because it is a read only

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Re: Routing problem

2003-02-21 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:24:44PM +0200, molotov wrote:

> I have a little problem with my home network. I had a Linux router
> before and now I have FreeBSD set up and running on the same box.
> The problem is, that I don't know what manual could speak about
> that kind of routing: there are three additional IP addresses 
> routed to my gateway. I want an internal box to use the given 
> external IP address or an internal address, while gateway 
> configuration stays untouched. The external interface of
> the gateway is a wireless orinoco card and I do not have an
> ethernet-wireless converter, so the external interface should
> be published to inside network in a way, that any chosen 
> machine from inside could use an external IP adress as it's IP 
> and the external IP address of the router as it's gateway. 
> Please help me to solve this problem. I know, that the solution
> is trivial, but I admit, I still think in Linux... ;)

Hmmm... the keywords here are "Static NAT".  

Start with the natd(8) manual page.  That should give you a handle on
the terminology used for the different concepts.  There's basically
three possibilities to do what you want:

ipfw(8) + natd(8)

ipf(8) + ipnat(8)

ppp(8)

The ppp(8) option of course, only applies if you're using PPP in some
form for your internet connectivity.  Otherwise, use which ever one of
the other two suits you best.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread zerotransfer

Actually, though, I would rather the mascot be something different, that wasn't what I 
was mainly concerned with.  
Probably in part because I have heard about the supposed difference between daemons 
and demons (though I haven't confirmed this).  
Alsoin part  because I feel that the motivation behind something can sometimes be more 
important than what is done (not always but sometimes).

I am not saying that using the number 666 is evil.  I just wrote it.  The reason it 
was used is my concern.

zerotransfer
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example


> On Friday 21 February 2003 22:11, Henrik W Lund wrote:
> >
> > And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;)
> >
> > -Henrik
> > FreeBSD newbie and fanatic.
> 
> Well hey, then I suppose Microsoft were right after all, we are evil ;)
> 
> News to me though, last I checked, daemons are neutral, and not evil like 
> the "demons" which the American film industry has created for strategic 
> marketing perposes :)
> 
> Just because something is red, has horns and carries a glowy tridant, is it 
> neciserally evil? :P
> 
> >

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Re: modern (usb) webcam support?

2003-02-21 Thread Benjamin Lutz
> My searches for information on webcam have not found much, except for some
> sites which say FreeBSD does not support USB web cameras.

My Creative Labs USB Webcam (older Model, Webcam Plus or something it was called) runs 
ok with /usr/ports/graphics/vid, which supports Webcams with the OV511 and OV511+ 
chipsets. I don't know for sure if the newer webcams still have this chipset, but I 
guess they do.

Oh, you'll need to code some glue to make vid be useful; all it does is grab an image 
and write it to stdout, no configurables.

Greetings
Benjamin

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procmail question a little off topic

2003-02-21 Thread David Bear
sorry for the offtopic post here but I cant seem to get my procmail
recipe's to fire.  I know sendmail sees and uses procmail because
maillog show its handing it of to procmail.  Also, the mail inbox
specified in the procmailrc file is receiving the message.  Still,
none of the messages that I want taking from inbox and put in other
folders as specified in the recipe's section are being moved.

I went to the procmail website and since and the lists seem to be in
german... and my german is nonexistent... 

any pointers appreciated.

 .procmailrc ==
# Frisch, SA, p 602
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:$HOME/bin
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox
#
# catch systems for syslog entries
# ppsrv3, PAC SMB server
:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslogs/ppsrv3

# urbansrv1, CUI, apas, ais smb spooler
:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslogs/urbansrv1

# ppsrv5, aka cyrus, smb/web server
:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslogs/ppsrv5

# db2srv1, development machines
:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslog/db2srv1

# recsrv1, smb server recreation mgt
:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslog/recsrv1

=== end procmailrc =
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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread zerotransfer

Obviously I don't think it is mythology or I wouldn't believe it :-)

Actually it is not my place to tell people what numbers they are and are not
allowed to use.
More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number
was used.
Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is
associated with evil to at least one belief?
See my point?

zerotransfer
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example


> Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.
>
> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> > Hello unamed person,
> >
> > For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> > is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> > coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> > people don't have anything using port 666.
> >
> > Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> > particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.
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logitech usb mouse and thumb button

2003-02-21 Thread c a r s t e n
is there any way to get the thumb button on certain logitech mouseman 
products enabled, and made to be the back button in mozilla? i have this 
setup in win2k and am finding it hard to live without in freebsd 4.7. i 
did manage to get the wheel middle button working as the scroll button, 
but then i got stuck, and cannot find the pertinent information.

thanks,


c

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Re: Error accessing SquirrelMail on server

2003-02-21 Thread Lord Raiden
So on top of just "Alias /squirrelmail /usr/local/squirrelmail" I also
need a  tag to go with it?

> You need to add a  block to allow access to that directory :)
> 
> Will
> 
> On Friday 21 February 2003 22:41, Lord Raiden wrote:
> > I'm getting an error when accessing my squirrel mail directory on the
> > server via a browser after accessing it.  It gives the following.
> >
> > 403 Forbidden
> > You don't have permission to access /squirrelmail/ on this server.
> >
> > Before I added my alias in httpd.conf it was giving me a not found.  So
> > I know I got the alias in there right.  A check of the directory shows
> > it is owned entirely by root with no access by anyone else.  How do I
> > fix this without totally breaking squirrel mail?  Thanks.
> >
> >
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Re: Error accessing SquirrelMail on server

2003-02-21 Thread Willie Viljoen
You need to add a  block to allow access to that directory :)

Will

On Friday 21 February 2003 22:41, Lord Raiden wrote:
> I'm getting an error when accessing my squirrel mail directory on the
> server via a browser after accessing it.  It gives the following.
>
> 403 Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /squirrelmail/ on this server.
>
> Before I added my alias in httpd.conf it was giving me a not found.  So
> I know I got the alias in there right.  A check of the directory shows
> it is owned entirely by root with no access by anyone else.  How do I
> fix this without totally breaking squirrel mail?  Thanks.
>
>
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USB flash drive mount - da device?

2003-02-21 Thread Darren Spruell
Greetz,

I use a USB pocket drive and am having the hardest time figuring out how 
to mount it into the filesystem. Following are what I thought to be 
important:

# dmesg |grep da0
da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0:  Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device
da0: 650KB/s transfers
da0: 126MB (258048 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 126C)
da0: reading primary partition table: error reading fsbn 0
da0: reading primary partition table: error reading fsbn 0
(da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ(6)/WRITE(6) not supported, increasing 
minimum_cmd_size to 10.

# ps auxwww |grep usbd
root  78  0.0  0.2   916  580  ??  Ss   12:03PM   0:00.01 /usr/sbin/usbd
===

Generally I use the command 'mount -t msdos /dev/rda0s1 /mnt' to mount 
this to my filesystem. Sometimes it works, sometimes it fails. When it 
does work I can only mount it as root. In order to be able to mount this 
as a regular user, do I have to put some flags into a line in 
/etc/fstab? What would be the best way to make this drive user mountable?

The other question is, is there a better way to mount up the device or 
control it via a usb tool or is the way I am doing it correct?

TIA.

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Re: I dont seem able to post here :-(

2003-02-21 Thread Lord Raiden
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Error accessing SquirrelMail on server

2003-02-21 Thread Lord Raiden
I'm getting an error when accessing my squirrel mail directory on the
server via a browser after accessing it.  It gives the following.

403 Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /squirrelmail/ on this server.

Before I added my alias in httpd.conf it was giving me a not found.  So
I know I got the alias in there right.  A check of the directory shows
it is owned entirely by root with no access by anyone else.  How do I
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I dont seem able to post here :-(

2003-02-21 Thread Chris Phillips
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Having problems with mozilla-1.2.1/galeon-1.2.8

2003-02-21 Thread JT Traub
This past weekend, I upgraded the ports collection on my machine
(running 4.7, also updated at the same time).

When I came back in on Monday morning, mozilla failed with a segmentation
fault and galeon failed with a 'gnome has detected a crash' dialog.

I spent most of this past week verifying the ports I had were in fact up
to date (they were and are the most recent from the ports collection) and
that I did not have mozilla-fonts (or nucleus-fonts which also for some
reason includes files from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mozilla (and thus
triggered the 'BROKEN' behaviour of mozilla port until I removed
it) installed.

I compiled all of the ports with their 'default settings' except for the
following settings which I have added to make.conf

XFREE86_VERSION=4
PACKAGE_BUILDING=1
BATCH=1
WITH_FULL_MOZILLA=1

The reason for the PACKAGE_BUILDING/BATCH settings are because I prefer to
run the build unattended over the weekend when I am not at work and that
is the only way I've found to actually get things to build and not
dialogue prompt me.

The WITH_FULL_MOZILLA setting is because I wish to have both mozilla and
embed mozilla into galeon (and phoenix which I also tried and which also
failed).

Most specifically, I have not modified any of the architecture or
optimization flags which are the default.  My machine is a intel Celeron
(730.97 MHz 686-class)

Prior to this weekend, I had mozilla built this way and all was good,
including Xft fonts working.  (which seemed to be the suggestion when I
scanned the mailing list archives this morning trying to find out what was
wrong after rebuilding once again didn't resolve the issue).

In the course of trying to fix this, I have rebuilt EVERYTHING on my
machine using portupgrade -af with only a couple of failures which should
not affect this.

This failures were
! net/net-snmp4 (ucd-snmp-4.2.5_2)  (compiler error)
* net/ethereal (ethereal-0.9.7)
! net/rdesktop-devel (rdesktop-1.2b1)   (failed to convert nil into String)
! x11/XFree86-4-clients (XFree86-clients-4.2.1_2)   (install error)

The failure of Xfree86-clients turned out to be x11perf and failing
because the code is looking for a 'core' member of the XftFont
structure.  However, nothing (according to greps of /var/db/pkg) depends
on XFree86-clients, so I don't believe that to be related.  The other
programs similarly have nothing which depends on them aside from listed
above.

Any help or advice in getting this working again with Xft would be greatly
appreciated and it does seem that there is a problem there with the recent
code.  I'm more than willing to send people additional information to help
track down what's going on if they ask and let me know what information
they need.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: Problems with in the ipf setup in an FreeBSD 4.7 router

2003-02-21 Thread Jim Xochellis
Hi list,

Many thanks to all the people that have replied. Thanks to them my
problem has been solved!

Thank you very much,

Jim Xochellis
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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Willie Viljoen
It built it fine here. Make sure your ports tree is upgraded to the latest, 
then run:

portupgrade -rR kdebase

That should do the trick :)

On Friday 21 February 2003 22:38, Gary D Kline wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:29:02PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote:
> > You should be able to find links to packages from http://www.kde.org/
> >
> > To get it on FreeBSD, just use ports. "Check The Handbook (TM)" for
> > more information :)
>
>   Thanks for the KDE URL.  Here, portupgrade is giving me major
>   build problem.   Maybe I'll find a FreeBSD package... .
>
>   gary

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Having problems with mozilla-1.2.1/galeon-1.2.8

2003-02-21 Thread JT Traub
This past weekend, I upgraded the ports collection on my machine
(running 4.7, also updated at the same time).

When I came back in on Monday morning, mozilla failed with a segmentation
fault and galeon failed with a 'gnome has detected a crash' dialog.

I spent most of this past week verifying the ports I had were in fact up
to date (they were and are the most recent from the ports collection) and
that I did not have mozilla-fonts (or nucleus-fonts which also for some
reason includes files from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mozilla (and thus
triggered the 'BROKEN' behaviour of mozilla port until I removed
it) installed.

I compiled all of the ports with their 'default settings' except for the
following settings which I have added to make.conf

XFREE86_VERSION=4
PACKAGE_BUILDING=1
BATCH=1
WITH_FULL_MOZILLA=1

The reason for the PACKAGE_BUILDING/BATCH settings are because I prefer to
run the build unattended over the weekend when I am not at work and that
is the only way I've found to actually get things to build and not
dialogue prompt me.

The WITH_FULL_MOZILLA setting is because I wish to have both mozilla and
embed mozilla into galeon (and phoenix which I also tried and which also
failed).

Most specifically, I have not modified any of the architecture or
optimization flags which are the default.  My machine is a intel Celeron
(730.97 MHz 686-class)

Prior to this weekend, I had mozilla built this way and all was good,
including Xft fonts working.  (which seemed to be the suggestion when I
scanned the mailing list archives this morning trying to find out what was
wrong after rebuilding once again didn't resolve the issue).

In the course of trying to fix this, I have rebuilt EVERYTHING on my
machine using portupgrade -af with only a couple of failures which should
not affect this.

This failures were
! net/net-snmp4 (ucd-snmp-4.2.5_2)  (compiler error)
* net/ethereal (ethereal-0.9.7)
! net/rdesktop-devel (rdesktop-1.2b1)   (failed to convert nil into String)
! x11/XFree86-4-clients (XFree86-clients-4.2.1_2)   (install error)

The failure of Xfree86-clients turned out to be x11perf and failing
because the code is looking for a 'core' member of the XftFont
structure.  However, nothing (according to greps of /var/db/pkg) depends
on XFree86-clients, so I don't believe that to be related.  The other
programs similarly have nothing which depends on them aside from listed
above.

Any help or advice in getting this working again with Xft would be greatly
appreciated and it does seem that there is a problem there with the recent
code.  I'm more than willing to send people additional information to help
track down what's going on if they ask and let me know what information
they need.

Thanks in advance,

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Gary D Kline
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:29:02PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote:
> You should be able to find links to packages from http://www.kde.org/
> 
> To get it on FreeBSD, just use ports. "Check The Handbook (TM)" for more 
> information :)
> 

Thanks for the KDE URL.  Here, portupgrade is giving me major
build problem.   Maybe I'll find a FreeBSD package... .

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Gary D Kline
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:25:13PM -0500, Bob Bomar wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:18:32AM -0800, Gary D Kline wrote:
> > 
> > A friend set up GNOME on a Redhat system that I successfully
> > networked to my three BSD servers.  How do I switch to KDE 
> > from Gnome?  Also, I would like to set up a similar KDE account
> > here formy seven-year-old.   She likes unix better than her
> > windows computer---can't imagine whre she gets her biases :-|
> > 
> > Anyway, I would like to set up/switch to KDE on both platforms.
> > I'd be much obliged for any clues!
> > 
> > tia,
> > 
> > gary
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> In your .xinitrc file, comment out the line for gnome-session
> and add a line that says
> startkde
> 
> Bob
> 

No such file.  Not only that but the ~/.xession file I 
added with one "xterm &" vanished... .  (I remember the 
"fascist file system"; is Gnome a "fascist wm"?!!)
 

thanks,

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Willie Viljoen
You should be able to find links to packages from http://www.kde.org/

To get it on FreeBSD, just use ports. "Check The Handbook (TM)" for more 
information :)

Will

On Friday 21 February 2003 22:25, Gary D Kline wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:34AM -0800, David Cramblett wrote:
> > if you have KDE installed, try the program switchdesk on Linux.
>
>   Well, I asked for Gnome and that's all my friend
>   installed.
>
>   Where can I pull down a KDE3  *.rpm  file?
>   (This is RH v 8.0, so KDE3 should work if
>   I can find it.
>
>   thanks,
>
>   gary

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Re: OT: shell script problem

2003-02-21 Thread Grzegorz Czaplinski
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 03:14:22PM -0600, Brian Henning wrote:
> i have this script with one input file and i keep getting the error:
> /files_???/19980527/???/myname #  sh doc_id.sh input.txt
> /files_???/19980527/???/: No such file or directory
> /files_???/19980527/???/
> 
> sh doc_id.sh
> -
> #! /bin/sh -x
> 
> INPUT=$1
> 
> for i in `cat $INPUT`; do
> echo "ls -1 ${i}"
> RES=`ls -1 ${i}`
> done
> exit 0;
> 
> 
> input.txt
> 
> /files_???/19980527/???/
> 
> but when i run the command ls /files_???/19980527/???/ the files are
> found...
> 
> any suggestions?

Yes, change cat to echo.

Have fun!
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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Gary D Kline
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:24:34AM -0800, David Cramblett wrote:
> if you have KDE installed, try the program switchdesk on Linux.


Well, I asked for Gnome and that's all my friend
installed.   

Where can I pull down a KDE3  *.rpm  file?
(This is RH v 8.0, so KDE3 should work if  
I can find it.

thanks,

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Having problems with mozilla-1.2.1/galeon-1.2.8

2003-02-21 Thread JT Traub
This past weekend, I upgraded the ports collection on my machine
(running 4.7, also updated at the same time).

When I came back in on Monday morning, mozilla failed with a segmentation
fault and galeon failed with a 'gnome has detected a crash' dialog.

I spent most of this past week verifying the ports I had were in fact up
to date (they were and are the most recent from the ports collection) and
that I did not have mozilla-fonts (or nucleus-fonts which also for some
reason includes files from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mozilla (and thus
triggered the 'BROKEN' behaviour of mozilla port until I removed
it) installed.

I compiled all of the ports with their 'default settings' except for the
following settings which I have added to make.conf

XFREE86_VERSION=4
PACKAGE_BUILDING=1
BATCH=1
WITH_FULL_MOZILLA=1

The reason for the PACKAGE_BUILDING/BATCH settings are because I prefer to
run the build unattended over the weekend when I am not at work and that
is the only way I've found to actually get things to build and not
dialogue prompt me.

The WITH_FULL_MOZILLA setting is because I wish to have both mozilla and
embed mozilla into galeon (and phoenix which I also tried and which also
failed).

Most specifically, I have not modified any of the architecture or
optimization flags which are the default.  My machine is a intel Celeron
(730.97 MHz 686-class)

Prior to this weekend, I had mozilla built this way and all was good,
including Xft fonts working.  (which seemed to be the suggestion when I
scanned the mailing list archives this morning trying to find out what was
wrong after rebuilding once again didn't resolve the issue).

In the course of trying to fix this, I have rebuilt EVERYTHING on my
machine using portupgrade -af with only a couple of failures which should
not affect this.

This failures were
! net/net-snmp4 (ucd-snmp-4.2.5_2)  (compiler error)
* net/ethereal (ethereal-0.9.7)
! net/rdesktop-devel (rdesktop-1.2b1)   (failed to convert nil into String)
! x11/XFree86-4-clients (XFree86-clients-4.2.1_2)   (install error)

The failure of Xfree86-clients turned out to be x11perf and failing
because the code is looking for a 'core' member of the XftFont
structure.  However, nothing (according to greps of /var/db/pkg) depends
on XFree86-clients, so I don't believe that to be related.  The other
programs similarly have nothing which depends on them aside from listed
above.

Any help or advice in getting this working again with Xft would be greatly
appreciated and it does seem that there is a problem there with the recent
code.  I'm more than willing to send people additional information to help
track down what's going on if they ask and let me know what information
they need.

Thanks in advance,

--JT


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Re: Verizon DSL & FreeBSD?

2003-02-21 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 02/21/03 03:11 PM, chuck odonnell sat at the `puter and typed:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:31:15AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > 
> > I also don't user Verizon for an ISP because they don't permit local 
> > servers.
> > 
> 
> i'm guessing you're talking about the inconvenient way some Cable/DSL
> ISPs block incoming connections on common server ports (25, 80)?

Verizon DSL does not block port 25 in the NorthEast.  Port 80 appears
blocked (Bah!), but they claim they don't block any ports.  I was told
it could be the DSL modem (Westell Wirespeed A90-210015-D4), but as
far as I can tell, it isn't configurable, and doesn't block ports
anyway.  Odd thing is that the port 80 trace stops at the modem.  I've
never been able to figure this out.

Next month, Comcast (formerly AT&T Broadband (formerly MediaOne
Broadband)) is supposed to turn on the digital upgrades in my area, so
I'm probably going to switch over.

Oh, and BTW, other than port 80, Verizon DSL/PPP works great with
FreeBSD.

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Willie Viljoen
On Friday 21 February 2003 22:11, Henrik W Lund wrote:
>
> And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;)
>
> -Henrik
> FreeBSD newbie and fanatic.

Well hey, then I suppose Microsoft were right after all, we are evil ;)

News to me though, last I checked, daemons are neutral, and not evil like 
the "demons" which the American film industry has created for strategic 
marketing perposes :)

Just because something is red, has horns and carries a glowy tridant, is it 
neciserally evil? :P

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Henrik W Lund
From: Justin Hopper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Date: 21 Feb 2003 11:42:05 -0800

Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> Hello unamed person,
>
> For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> people don't have anything using port 666.
>
> Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.
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Re: Verizon DSL & FreeBSD?

2003-02-21 Thread chuck odonnell
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:31:15AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> I also don't user Verizon for an ISP because they don't permit local 
> servers.
> 

i'm guessing you're talking about the inconvenient way some Cable/DSL
ISPs block incoming connections on common server ports (25, 80)?

usually this is only a real annoyance because you can't set up a mail
server for your incoming SMTP email. if you have access to an outside
Internet server, and you run postfix on it -- you can route incoming
mail through the outside server, and using the postfix transport table
forward the mail to a sendmail or postfix instance running on a high
port on your internal server. works great!

...or like you said, just don't use that ISP :)

chuck

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RE: SoftUpdates on /

2003-02-21 Thread John Straiton
> On Friday 21 February 2003 08:10 am, Alistair Phillips wrote:
> | Hi guys,
> 
> |
> | So I enabled SoftUpdates when I was busy with FDISK at the install 
> | time and now it seems like it may have been a bad idea.  Now I know 
> | 4GB is not much but it seems that there is no more space 
> left.  And at 
> | times df -h will tell me there is -180MB available on / !  
> [  Dont get 
> | me wrong here, I am not saying that SoftUpdates is causing 
> me lack of 
> | space. ]


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#SAFE-SOF
TUPDATES

Right from the horse's mouth so to speak as to the odd disk space
results of using soft-updates.

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Willie Viljoen
I don't really get it either, as I pointed out in an off-list e-mail to the 
original sender earlier, this has nothing to do with Christian mythology or 
satanic anything. 666 is, by all historic and scientific accounts, a 
Masonic symbol. Now unless you have a problem with people who have an 
intriguing fixation with geometry (Free Masons), then I can't see anything 
wrong with using the number.

We're long past the point where you can't use 13 as a number, why should 
this be any different, really?

On Friday 21 February 2003 21:42, Justin Hopper wrote:
> Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.
>
> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> > Hello unamed person,
> >
> > For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> > is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> > coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> > people don't have anything using port 666.
> >
> > Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> > particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Gary D Kline
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:42:05AM -0800, Justin Hopper wrote:
> Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.
> 
> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> > Hello unamed person,
> > 
> > For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> > is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> > coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> > people don't have anything using port 666.
> > 
> > Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> > particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.

(I think this unnamed gentleman [[ women are seldom so dense ]]
merely dosn't understand 0ctal.  Mayhaps he could use binary:
"10110110 || 110 110 110".  Hm?)



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Re: SoftUpdates on /

2003-02-21 Thread Brian T. Schellenberger


On Friday 21 February 2003 08:10 am, Alistair Phillips wrote:
| Hi guys,

|
| So I enabled SoftUpdates when I was busy with FDISK at the install
| time and now it seems like it may have been a bad idea.  Now I know
| 4GB is not much but it seems that there is no more space left.  And
| at times df -h will tell me there is -180MB available on / !  [  Dont
| get me wrong here, I am
| not saying that SoftUpdates is causing me lack of space. ]


Softupdates don't take up any more or less space than not having them; 
just have "too much stuff" installed.

Softupdates can cause *transient" failures to find space, but if you 
still have too little space after five minutes, then softupdates has 
nothing to do with it.

And softupdates work much *better* on large partitions than small ones; 
with a 4G partition the transient space loss problem is virtually 
non-existant; the reason that they disabled by default on / is almost 
certainly because the / is usually *small*, not large.

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Re: Cvsup Handbook Example

2003-02-21 Thread Justin Hopper
Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'.

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote:
> Hello unamed person,
> 
> For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666
> is just the number after 667 and before 665.  I've used 666 in several
> coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most
> people don't have anything using port 666.
> 
> Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using
> particular numbers?  This could pose a problem.
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Re: Cannot find -lXft2

2003-02-21 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 14:31, La Temperanza wrote:
> Hi, I'm having trouble compiling some gimp-devel related ports (currently
> libglade2) that complain they can't find -lXft2. I've tried reinstalling
> x11-fonts/Xft and the various XFree86 base ports, but no luck. Anyone know a
> solution?

You need to do a portupgrade -rf Xft to really fix this.

Joe

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Re: Evolution Crashes

2003-02-21 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 14:27, Bob Bomar wrote:
> I was useing evolution for a while, but now I can not start it,
> when I try to startit, it tells me that exolution-mail crashed, 
> and on the cosole I get these error messages:
> 
> evolution-shell-WARNING **: Error setting owner on component 
> OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent -- CORBA error
> 
> Any ideas?

If this is on -CURRENT, you will need to do a portupgrade -Rf
evolution.  This is because so many of the ABIs changed on the road to
5.0-RELEASE, and a rebuild of some less frequently updated components is
required.

Joe

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Re: Almost there [was Re: FreeBSD 4.7-REL-p3 and an ... Linksys BEFVP41]

2003-02-21 Thread George Hartzell
Stacy Millions writes:
 > George Hartzell wrote:
 > > [...]
 > > I almost have things working!
 > > 
 > > I've fallen back to a very simple solution, [...]
 > > 
 > >   /usr/sbin/setkey -FP
 > >   /usr/sbin/setkey -F
 > > 
 > >   /usr/sbin/setkey -c << EOF
 > > spdadd LAPTOP_IP/32 192.168.1.0/24 any -P out ipsec 
 >esp/tunnel/LAPTOP_IP-LINKSYS_IP/require; 
 > > spdadd 192.168.1.0/24 LAPTOP_IP/32 any -P out ipsec 
 >esp/tunnel/LINKSYS_IP-LAPTOP_IP/require; 
 > >   EOF
 > 
 > That should be
 > spdadd 192.168.1.0/24 LAPTOP_IP/32 any -P in ipsec ...
 > 
 > [...]
 > You need an inbound tunnel and an outbound tunnel. Fixing the policy statement
 > above, should do it.

Stacy wins the prize.  I fixed the typo on the second line, changing
the "out" to an "in" and things are working swimingly!

Thanks!

g.

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Re: Cannot find -lXft2

2003-02-21 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Feb 21), La Temperanza said:
> Hi, I'm having trouble compiling some gimp-devel related ports (currently
> libglade2) that complain they can't find -lXft2. I've tried reinstalling
> x11-fonts/Xft and the various XFree86 base ports, but no luck. Anyone know a
> solution?

libXft2.so is no more.  It is now libXft.so.2.  You will probably have
to rebuild all your apps to make sure that none try to use Xft2
anymore.  "portupgrade -fr Xft" should do it, I think.

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Toshiba Satellite 5105-S501 Install Hang

2003-02-21 Thread jaymz
I downloaded and burned the ISO's for Release-5.0 .  Running the 
install program from the CD gets to the boot prompt.  Pressing [enter] 
starts the kernel, but when it gets to the 'agp0' line of the hardware 
listing it hangs.  No further messages.

Attempting to unload/disable agp modules (desparate attempt) at the 
'OK ' boot prompt yielded isnane results (no difference)

I'm new to FreeBSD, first experience trying to install it (maybe I 
should find a more common piece of hardware :-D )  Experienced with 
OBSD and familiar with Linux.

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Re: why does 'ssh-keygen -t dsa' cause a system reboot?

2003-02-21 Thread Bsd Neophyte

--- Lee Harr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Every time?
> 

first, i mistyped, sorry... (cut and pasted the wrong thing)... i run
'ssh-keygen -t dsa'

and this doesn't happen all the time.  it happens about half the time i
try generating a keypair.

> How about when you do a long compile? (build a kernel or
> make world)
> 
> If it is not every time, and the same thing happens sometimes
> during a long build, I suspect hardware problems. (probably
> memory)

as far as i can remember, i've never had reboot issues with compiling the
kernel.

> 
> If it is only ssh-keygen, and it is every single time... hmm.
> 
> Maybe a corrupted ssh-keygen binary, or libcrypto or libc?
> If this is a fresh install from a CD, you might try re-installing
> (upgrading) the bin and crypto distributions.

is there any way to localize the exact cause of the reboot?


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Cannot find -lXft2

2003-02-21 Thread La Temperanza
Hi, I'm having trouble compiling some gimp-devel related ports (currently
libglade2) that complain they can't find -lXft2. I've tried reinstalling
x11-fonts/Xft and the various XFree86 base ports, but no luck. Anyone know a
solution?

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Re: lightweight wm

2003-02-21 Thread Gary Dunn
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, John Bleichert wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Jud wrote:
> > Subject: Re: lightweight wm
> > On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:38:28 -0500 (EST), John Bleichert 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>
> > >> im on a pI 233mhz mmx with 64mb of ram
> > >> what do u recommend me to install GNOME or KDE
> > >>
> > >
> > > I use Blackbox on a 166 and it runs great (Fluxbox as suggested by 
> > > somebody else is based on Blackbox I believe) - it's a great window 
> > > manager. Controlled by a simple text file, multiple desktops, nice 
> > > graphical styles, etc. mwm is nice too (very unix) but openmotif takes a 
> > > long time to build.
> > 
> > Though I have the hardware and disk space to run GNOME, KDE, or both if I 
> > wish, I gravitate to a lightweight ethic, so like John, I run Blackbox (as 
> > well as bbrun for extra convenience).  Very occasionally I also use 
> > Windowmaker for a bit of variety.
> > 
> > With a fairly lightweight GUI file manager, Rox-filer (not lightweight if 
> > built from ports, because the FreeBSD port has a bunch of GNOME 
> > dependencies; I just download it from its home page and install it, and it 
> > works fine for me - note, I do have Linux emulation installed), browser 
> > (Opera), mailer (Sylpheed), editor (nedit, though I also play with Xemacs 
> > and a couple of TeX editors), cd player (ascd or wmcdplay) and system 
> > monitor (GKrellM2), I feel pretty well set.
> > 
> > These are all GUI applications, because you asked about GNOME and KDE, 
> > which are big GUI desktop environments.  The FreeBSD base system comes with 
> > command line utilities which will take the places of several of these 
> > applications quite nicely.
> > 
> > Jud
> > 
> 
> Actually, just to be clear, I'm a KDE fan. KDE 3.1 is great, and on a 
> multi-GHz box with 6 cubic yards of RAM who cares about resources? But on 
> some of the lower-watt boxes I have (at work and at home) I need a 
> lighterweight WM. Blackbox is great, very clean. Also, the code is very 
> clean and makes an excellent X/WM tutorial.
> 
> That said, I do run Blackbox for a while every now and again for a break 

I like things simple and with clean design, and I like using old stuff --
cars, cameras, and computers. A lightweight window manager would seem
ideal for me, but I use GNOME because I like drag-n-drop (my typing sucks)
and the way copy-paste through the clipboard works, better than the
straight X method. And I like a consistent look-and-feel across
applications.

What features and benefits do you miss when you use Blackbox instead of
KDE? 

Which window managers do you think are best suited for a pen-based
system?

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Evolution Crashes

2003-02-21 Thread Bob Bomar
I was useing evolution for a while, but now I can not start it,
when I try to startit, it tells me that exolution-mail crashed, 
and on the cosole I get these error messages:

evolution-shell-WARNING **: Error setting owner on component 
OAFIID:GNOME_Evolution_Mail_ShellComponent -- CORBA error

Any ideas?

Bob

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Re: Problems with in the ipf setup in an FreeBSD 4.7 router

2003-02-21 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2003-02-21 20:08:17 +0200:
> I have compiled and installed a new kernel with ipf support and then I
> put the following lines inside my rc.conf file:
> 
> ipfilter_enable="YES"
> ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf -Fa -f"
> ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.rules"
> ipfilter_flags=""

remove the three lines above, leaving only ipfilter_enable="YES"
in rc.conf.
 
> The problem is that, when I boot, ipf does not work. It seems like is
> not using the rules.
> 
> If I enter "ipf -Fa -f /etc/ipf.rules" from the command line, then it
> starts working as expected. 

if you look at /etc/rc.network you'll see why:

${ipfilter_program:-/sbin/ipf} -Fa -f \
"${ipfilter_rules}" ${ipfilter_flags}

your settings make it:

/sbin/ipf -Fa -f -Fa -f /etc/ipf.rules

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread Bob Bomar
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:18:32AM -0800, Gary D Kline wrote:
> 
>   A friend set up GNOME on a Redhat system that I successfully
>   networked to my three BSD servers.  How do I switch to KDE 
>   from Gnome?  Also, I would like to set up a similar KDE account
>   here formy seven-year-old.   She likes unix better than her
>   windows computer---can't imagine whre she gets her biases :-|
> 
>   Anyway, I would like to set up/switch to KDE on both platforms.
>   I'd be much obliged for any clues!
> 
>   tia,
> 
>   gary
> 
> 
> 

In your .xinitrc file, comment out the line for gnome-session
and add a line that says
startkde

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Routing problem

2003-02-21 Thread molotov
Hello everyone, 

I have a little problem with my home network. I had a Linux router
before and now I have FreeBSD set up and running on the same box.
The problem is, that I don't know what manual could speak about
that kind of routing: there are three additional IP addresses 
routed to my gateway. I want an internal box to use the given 
external IP address or an internal address, while gateway 
configuration stays untouched. The external interface of
the gateway is a wireless orinoco card and I do not have an
ethernet-wireless converter, so the external interface should
be published to inside network in a way, that any chosen 
machine from inside could use an external IP adress as it's IP 
and the external IP address of the router as it's gateway. 
Please help me to solve this problem. I know, that the solution
is trivial, but I admit, I still think in Linux... ;)

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Re: from GNOME to KDE

2003-02-21 Thread David Cramblett
if you have KDE installed, try the program switchdesk on Linux.

Gary D Kline wrote:

	A friend set up GNOME on a Redhat system that I successfully
	networked to my three BSD servers.  How do I switch to KDE 
	from Gnome?  Also, I would like to set up a similar KDE account
	here formy seven-year-old.   She likes unix better than her
	windows computer---can't imagine whre she gets her biases :-|

	Anyway, I would like to set up/switch to KDE on both platforms.
	I'd be much obliged for any clues!

	tia,

	gary




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