Re: ports vs source

2004-09-06 Thread Cristi Tauber
   Ok. thanks ... i got that ... but one problem remains . On
linux the command ./configure --help gives me the options to configure
the source for compile (eg suport for mysql/oracle/etc; other switches
not related to optimization, ... etc) How can i do this with ports ... i
mean ... make -DWITH=/path/to/mysql/ (just an example) to compile the
source with mysql support ... is there a way to find the options for a
port ?!? 

  Cristi

On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 22:54, Vulpes Velox wrote:
 On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:26:11 +0300
 Cristi Tauber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Hello there,
Can anyone tell me which are the avantages of installing from
ports
  rather than installing from tar balls ? I am kind of new to BSD, and
  I'm familiar with linux install from tar  stuff. I know to give the
  switches to configure to tune the source for installation ... but
  how i can find the parameters for port install ? I mean ... let's
  say i want to install php and i have to give the path to mysql,
  apache and others graphical libraries ... how can I do that with
  ports ? 
 
 The ability to squeze the absolute max out using /etc/make.conf  is
 what I love about ports.
 
 CPUTYPE?=athlon-xp
 CFLAGS= -O -m3dnow -msse -mmmx  -pipe
 CXXFLAGS+= -fmemoize-lookups -fsave-memoized -m3dnow -msse -mmmx
 
 or something like that ^_^
 
 afaik all packages for 4x defualt to i386 and on 5x i486 so there is
 less optimizations... for something there is no noticeable
 differneces... for something there are...  my suggestion is to make
 sure stuff that eats cpu time is optimized... 
 
 man ports
 man make.conf
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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-06 Thread kstewart
On Sunday 05 September 2004 11:13 am, Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:43:59PM -0700, kstewart wrote:
Can you check your pkg list and list the mozilla
and java ports?  --If thr linuxpluginwrapper will
magically make FBSD mozilla work:: WOW!
 
  The thing is that RealPlayer, Adobe, flash, and etc. or all linux apps. I
  think the wrapper is just as important as the x-wrapper is to run as
  non-root.
 
  When I installed it, and followed the instructions, I could use acrobat,
  and some of the flash/shockwave stuff in both konqueror and mozilla.
  Realplay never showed up in the plugin list for mozilla but I can go to a
  site that has *.ram files and click them and hear the music.
 
   Konqueror is really anal when it comes to getting rid of kmplayer as the
  defautl. I can also visit the same site as mozilla and play the *.ram
  files.
 
  The thing is that I moved rpnp.so into so many places that I don't know
  what made mozilla work. I got the idea from the links in the about plugin
  link on mozilla  help. It was basically any place that locate claimed to
  be a mozilla plugin directory. It was finally - well, I give up, let see
  what it does and it worked. I don't have a clue what fixed it because I
  was looking for it in the plugin list and it never showed up.
 
  Kent

  Sounds somewhat like my experience with getting things to
  Just Work {TM}.  Took me altogether several days to get
  java, javavm, jdk,sdk, whatevertheheck to work with
  l-mozilla and the flashplugin and acrobat and realplayer.

  Now it works; but installing it on my laptop is more than
  a chore-and-a-half.  Not worth the effort.  Maybe someday
  I'll figure it out and put together a cookbook tutorial.
  Make it my life's goal to keep it current... .

I have discovered a couple of things about Mozilla. The java-vm problem from 
Mozilla that I was seeing was probably  occuring because I had 3 versions of 
java installed. I had diablo-*-1.3.1*, jdk-1.3-*, and jdk-1.4*. When I 
pkg_deleted the 1.3* versions, and reinstalled RealPlayer8, I had both 
realplay and java-vm activity. I probably didn't have to reinstall realplayer 
but I did it anyway. I think that just running the mime and plugin scripts 
are all you need to run.

There seems to be an initialization problem with RealPlayer. The first time 
you try to run it, it thinks the audio device is busy, but the second time 
and on it played the *.ram files from the web pages I visit frequently.

 BTW, I think that everytime you change your plugins, you have to click the 
about plugins option under the Mozilla's help menu item for mozilla to scan 
for new ones.

RealPlayer8 is also working for me from kde's konqueror.

Kent


  gary

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Re: [another me too] Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-06 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Donald,
Nico - I suggest you try it again tomorrow. I thought I had it fixed 
yesterday. Then I re-cvsup'd today and redid my things. Ruby18 is 
again seg faulting for me. Not going into a loop and continuously 
seg faulting, but bad enough.
After cvsupping my ports tree, running portindex (not portindexdb!) and 
portsdb -u (which gave core dumps) all is well. No more 'bus errors'.

portindex seems like a wonderful tool, so I'm keeping it around.
HTH and good luck... Nico
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Re: is there an 'open-source' RealPlayer?

2004-09-06 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:27:19 -0700
Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 02:56:35PM -0500, Vulpes Velox wrote:
  On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:17:02 -0700
  Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Sounding more hopeful.  Can you please post your mplayer
 configuration?  Or give me some hints on howto replace
 realplay with mplayer with mozilla?  It would be nice to
 have FBSD versions of every tool, plug-in or otherwise.
 (Be nice to have Java plugins for mozilla, but Sun has 
 its corporate head up where the sun don' shine... *sigh*)
  
  I have nothing special in my config for it.
  
  There is a mplayer plugin for mozilla in the ports.
  
  AFAIK the plugin for java comes with the java ports.
 
 
   Do you mean for linux-mozilla (1.5, yes?), or the
   FBSD mozilla?  Be great if I could work with the 
   native ports; last time I checked, only linux-*
   had the goodies.

I would assume that the native java would work with the native
mozilla.
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Re: ports vs source

2004-09-06 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:10:48 +0300
Cristi Tauber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ok. thanks ... i got that ... but one problem remains .
On
 linux the command ./configure --help gives me the options to
 configure the source for compile (eg suport for mysql/oracle/etc;
 other switches not related to optimization, ... etc) How can i do
 this with ports ... i mean ... make -DWITH=/path/to/mysql/ (just
 an example) to compile the source with mysql support ... is there a
 way to find the options for a port ?!? 

Look at the make file. Some will bring up a ncurses menu for
selection, others will display various options to set, and then some
you can look at the make file to see what options it has. I would
suggest looking at multimedia/mplayer as a good example of all three.

 BTW becuase this is a actual ports system you don't have to deal with
things getting damaged by manually installing stuff like that.
Installing that was is generally best advoided since it cuases
problems later on.
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Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 06 Sep Pedro n/a wrote:
 In the first time I rebooted my computer, after I've finished the 
 installation of this version, my motherboard started to beep and I didn't 
 know what to do.
 After reseting the computer I realized that I could no longer boot my 
 Windows. I did selected it from BootMng and it gave no response. Even 
 though I tried to use FDISK /MBR to rewrite the MBR, all my effords were in 
 vain and I couldn't start windows again.
 Recently I've reinstalled an old release version (trustworthy) but windows 
 still unable to boot.
 Does anyone know anything that  could be helpful?

I experienced the same thing w/ beta-2
Just *before* putting an image back I discovered that beta-2 had
*changed* the LBA setting of my harddrive to another value.
Putting this back (manualy forcing the bios into using LBA), my windows
came back on.. Pfftt..

Def not a nice thing of beta-2 ;-(

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[no subject]

2004-09-06 Thread sergey shevsky
message to questions.

  , FREEBSD ,
,, 
 -  .

CDROM ?

UA, Kharkov
shevsky sergey
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i cant enter su

2004-09-06 Thread Cihan Çulha
i cant enter su in my machine.i controled and i found master.passwd files 
mode is 700. how can i change this files chmoýd.please help. i cant enter su

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RE: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread JJB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 06 Sep Pedro n/a wrote:
 In the first time I rebooted my computer, after I've finished the
 installation of this version, my motherboard started to beep and
I
 didn't know what to do. After reseting the computer I realized
that
 I could no longer boot my Windows. I did selected it from
BootMng
 and it gave no response. Even though I tried to use FDISK /MBR to
 rewrite the MBR, all my effords were in vain and I couldn't start
 windows again.
 Recently I've reinstalled an old release version (trustworthy)
but
 windows still unable to boot. Does anyone know anything that
could
 be helpful?

 I experienced the same thing w/ beta-2
 Just *before* putting an image back I discovered that beta-2 had
 *changed* the LBA setting of my harddrive to another value.
 Putting this back (manualy forcing the bios into using LBA), my
 windows came back on.. Pfftt..

 Def not a nice thing of beta-2 ;-(

I have the same problem with 5.3 beta-2.
How about some details explaining how you reset the HD to LBA mode.

This is a bug with 5.3 that needs to be reported back to the
development team so it gets fixed by next weekly beta release.



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Re: i cant enter su

2004-09-06 Thread Shantanoo
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:59:01 +, Cihan Çulha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i cant enter su in my machine.i controled and i found master.passwd files
 mode is 700. how can i change this files chmoýd.please help. i cant 
 enter su

are you the member of group 'wheel'?
also have a look at 'sudo'.

Regards,
Shantanoo
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Web browsing

2004-09-06 Thread Douglas
Um, I know this is going to sound stupid, but I am completely dumbfounded as to how I 
can runa web browser in FreeBSD. I got so frustrated that I didn't know how to use 
FreeBSD and the fact that Elmira is a Windows city was completely agitating me, so I 
ended up uninstalling FreeBSD from my main hardrive, re-installed Windows, and I am 
e-mailing you guys for help, but don't fret, I have not left FreeBSD high and dry. I 
am going to install it onto my very old 261MB SeaGate HDD. But if I am going to use 
FreeBSD I need help getting used to it. Like, for example, how do I run a program, 
let's say Netscape for example. Please do help! I have always heard good reports about 
UNIX based OSes like FreeBSD. Thank-you.
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Re: portsdb/ruby issues - work around

2004-09-06 Thread Gerard Seibert
On Monday, September 06, 2004 3:59:35 AM Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

|Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:29:04 -0500
|From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: portsdb/ruby issues - work around
|To: FreeBSD - Ports [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Cc: FreeBSD - Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
|
|Here is something I came  up with for the recent portsdb/ruby issue with 
|5.2.1 (and may also work with 4.10)
|
|I want to thank Donald J. O'Neill for the input and off site testing of 
|the therory.
|
|Use at your own risk, your mileage may very, viod where prohibitad, and 
|all other standard disclaimers apply.
|
|0. Install portindex - /usr/ports/sysutils/portindex
|--
|1. cvsup your ports tree
|2. cd /usr/ports  make index
|3. portindex
|4. portindexdb
|5. pkgdb -afuF (or whatever you use for parms)
|6. portversion -vL=
|7. portupgrade -a (or whatever you use for parms)
|
|
|-- 
|Best regards,
|Chris
|
|Life is like an ice-cream cone:  You have to learn to
|lick it.


** Reply Separator **
Monday, September 06, 2004 8:10:07 AM

I used steps 1 through 4 myself this morning before I read your post.
Right now 'portupgrade' is running and it seems to be running correctly.

I am not sure exactly what 'portindex' and 'portindexdb' do, since there
is no manual for them. I assume that there are no command line switches
either.

Anyway, that is just my 2 cents.


Gerard Seibert
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The easy way is always mined.

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Re: Web browsing

2004-09-06 Thread Jens Holmqvist
you should read about ports from the ports you can install
applications in to FreeBSD and a tip is that if you want X(graphics)
you need a bigger drive then 261mb

two good consol based web-browsers are links and lynx
they are located in /usr/ports/www/links and /usr/ports/www/lynx

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:27:43 -0400, Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Um, I know this is going to sound stupid, but I am completely dumbfounded as to how 
 I can runa web browser in FreeBSD. I got so frustrated that I didn't know how to use 
 FreeBSD and the fact that Elmira is a Windows city was completely agitating me, so I 
 ended up uninstalling FreeBSD from my main hardrive, re-installed Windows, and I am 
 e-mailing you guys for help, but don't fret, I have not left FreeBSD high and dry. I 
 am going to install it onto my very old 261MB SeaGate HDD. But if I am going to use 
 FreeBSD I need help getting used to it. Like, for example, how do I run a program, 
 let's say Netscape for example. Please do help! I have always heard good reports 
 about UNIX based OSes like FreeBSD. Thank-you.
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Re: Boot

2004-09-06 Thread Anton Kazak
   6  2004 15:20 sergey shevsky :
 message to questions.

   CD  . -   
CD.


   , FREEBSD ,
 ,, 
  -  .

 CDROM ?

 UA, Kharkov
 shevsky sergey
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mount_smbfs

2004-09-06 Thread Daniele
Not sure about right ML (maybe fs@), feel free to forward to another
one if needed.  And please Cc: me.

Background:
- I need to syncronize two dir hosted on win machines based on data
  contained into an Oracle DB (direction of copy may change based on
  owner of file as specified into the DB).  I made an sh script that
  generate a big Makefile with right direction of cp -p but it fail
  copying a lot of identical file (identical means same md5 and with
  date of past, already copied previous night (and previous and...).
  (a lot of fuzzy word, problem is timestamping a remote smb file).

Environment:
- a freebsd machine (I tested on 4.9-STABLE and 4.10-STABLE)
- at least a real win machine with a NTFS exported share (my real
  case has one w2k-server and one wnt4-server).

How to reproduce:
- create a mount point, mount_smb the win share, touch a file

// on the mount point (or at any level deep):
// (you can also change example time but please use even/odd seconds)
//
# foreach s ( `jot -w%02d 10` )
foreach? touch -t 200401020304.${s} sample${s}
foreach? end

# ls -lnT sample*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:00 2004 sample01
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:02 2004 sample02
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:02 2004 sample03
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:04 2004 sample04
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:04 2004 sample05
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:06 2004 sample06
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:06 2004 sample07
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:08 2004 sample08
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:08 2004 sample09
-rwxr-xr-x  1 0  0  0 Jan  2 03:04:10 2004 sample10


Any datetime will be rounded up to previous even second  :-(
If you create a file from the win-side (with touch or notepad or
with your favourite tool) you can specify odd seconds, this means
that is not a NTFS struct limitations (maybe  :-).

Who round my time?  I need this for an exotic job: syncronize two
win machine using data from an Oracle DB.  My approach was using
a Makefile but every night it copies hundreds of already copied
files and it use an expensive WAN link.  Yes, I can switch to more
robust check, md5 signatures, extraction of time and manual check
with rounded values, but any other approach leave this problem...


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TIA,
Riccardo.
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Re: Web browsing

2004-09-06 Thread Peter Risdon
Douglas wrote:
Um, I know this is going to sound stupid, 
but I am completely dumbfounded as to how I can
runa web browser in FreeBSD. I got so frustrated
that I didn't know how to use FreeBSD and the fact
that Elmira is a Windows city was completely agitating me,
so I ended up uninstalling FreeBSD from my main hardrive,
re-installed Windows, and I am e-mailing you guys for help,
but don't fret, I have not left FreeBSD high and dry. I am going
to install it onto my very old 261MB SeaGate HDD. But if I am
going to use FreeBSD I need help getting used to it. Like, for
example, how do I run a program, let's say Netscape for example.
Please do help! I have always heard good reports about UNIX based OSes 
like FreeBSD. Thank-you.

Hi Douglas,
It would be helpful when mailing this list if you were to set your mail 
client to wrap lines at about 72 characters so that people reading it in 
console-based mail clients can see it all more easily.

It isn't quite true to say that the default install of FreeBSD does not 
include a graphical interface, since you do get offered the option to 
install X Windows and choose a desktop (aka window manager), but most 
default installs result in a console-only system.

There are web browsers you can use in this environment, such as lynx and 
links, and text-only browsing is wonderfully fast and functional. But to 
run a graphical browser such as Netscape, you will need to be sure to 
install a graphical interface first.

Your 261MB hard drive is not big enough to hold a graphical set up and 
large programs like Netscape.

The best resource for learning about all these issues is the FreeBSD 
handbook (which is also one of the best reference documents about 
computing, period). You can find this at:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
If you find you have specific problems while trying to get things to 
work, mail this list again and you'll get lots help.

Regards,
Peter.
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install qmail by using PORTS

2004-09-06 Thread kinux
hi,

i always install qmail by source code compiled manually, this time, i would like to 
try to use ports install qmail, but there is a problem about the patch included in 
ports and any patch will be installed automacticall/ by default. 
i tried to read Makefile, not really sure, checked /usr/ports/mail/qmail/distinfo with 
following patches will be fetched, but all of them will be installed?  if not, how can 
i install them?? Thanks
SIZE (qmail-103.patch) = 2104
SIZE (qmail-1.03-starttls-smtp-auth.patch) = 41786
SIZE (qmail-ldap-1.03-20020901.patch.gz) = 130655
SIZE (qmail-mysql-1.1.8.patch) = 57702
SIZE (tls.patch) = 39095
SIZE (qmailqueue-patch) = 2510
SIZE (big-todo.103.patch) = 5546
SIZE (big-concurrency.patch) = 9331
SIZE (outgoingip.patch) = 6839
SIZE (sendmail-flagf.patch) = 863

Thanks,
Kin

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RE: Web browsing

2004-09-06 Thread JJB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Um, I know this is going to sound stupid, but I am completely
 dumbfounded as to how I can runa web browser in FreeBSD. I got so
 frustrated that I didn't know how to use FreeBSD and the fact that
 Elmira is a Windows city was completely agitating me, so I ended
up
 uninstalling FreeBSD from my main hardrive, re-installed Windows,
and
 I am e-mailing you guys for help, but don't fret, I have not left
 FreeBSD high and dry. I am going to install it onto my very old
261MB
 SeaGate HDD. But if I am going to use FreeBSD I need help getting
 used to it. Like, for example, how do I run a program, let's say
 Netscape for example. Please do help! I have always heard good
 reports about UNIX based OSes like FreeBSD. Thank-you.



You probably want elinks a text only browser. It runs from the
console
without xwindows and is so small that it will fit on your small hard
drive

Install it from /usr/ports/www/elinks. Run it
like this: 'elinks http://www.google.com'.

If you want a console graphical browser that works without X.
Run , pkg_add -vr svgalib  to install SVGAlib. Then install port
/usr/ports/www/links and change install compile options to use
svgalib instead of the default xwindows.
run it like this: links -g -mode 640x480x64k http://www.google.com





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Re: Name Lookup fail for cvsup.freebsd.org

2004-09-06 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Huajian Luo wrote:
Hi, 
 I have a Compaq Evo N610c Laptop and installed with
5.2.1 release, The Modem is a Lucent winmodem , I've 
installed comm/ltmdm and config /etc/ppp/ppp.conf as
follow,
--/etc/ppp/ppp.conf-

enable dns


and I run #ppp -ddial myISP and check 
/var/log/ppp/log everything is Ok , 
but when I do
#cvsup -g  -L2  /etc/ports-supfile
it output:

Name Lookup fail for cvsup.freebsd.org,
host name lookup failed will retry at.blah-blah
 

So, your ISP's servers aren't giving you any DNS
information, or else FreeBSD isn't paying attention
when it does... ?
If you call nslookup(1), what is the result?  If you
aren't running a local nameserver, and you're not
getting any response, you should probably get an
error there, too.
Another possibility is that you have no real connectivity
at all ... something which you haven't addressed.  Can
you ping by IP address?  Maybe yahoo.com, which a moment
ago was at 66.94.234.13 ?
--the question is should I comment out enable dns
in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf to make it not check nameserver
, cause when I dailed from windows ,I just need the 
ISP's phone number and user/pass everything is OK.

I just wanna dial to web when I'm at home, so I don't
know how to config /etc/resolv.conf, cause this is 
just a stand alone laptop and the Ip was dynamic 
allocated by my ISP, and I pick up the phone an
heard ZzzzZzz, which means I've dialed onto web,
and nslookup show me the same problem,

thanks in advances,
whatluo,
 

If it is simply a DNS problem, adding the IP
addresses of your ISP's nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf
would be a valid workaround.  I don't know why DNS wouldn't
be working otherwise, *unless* you actually aren't connected
as I noted above.  I pick up the phone an heard 'ZzzzZzz' isn't
necessarily an indication of a successful PPP connection IMHO
Kevin Kinsey
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httpd with SSL

2004-09-06 Thread Cristi Tauber
Hello,
I installed from ports (switched from sources ... hope to learn :) )
apache 1.3.29 with mod-ssl. All good ... httpd works ... i issued a
certificate ... but now when my computer reboots and apache starts in
ssl mode it asks for pass phrase !!! So ... if computer reboots over
night someone have to write the pass phrase so the computer can start.
This is annoying ... how can i skip this ... can i enter the passphrase
in my boot script ? How ???

 Cristi

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RE: Web browsing

2004-09-06 Thread Mike Jeays
On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 10:00, JJB wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Um, I know this is going to sound stupid, but I am completely
  dumbfounded as to how I can runa web browser in FreeBSD. I got so
  frustrated that I didn't know how to use FreeBSD and the fact that
  Elmira is a Windows city was completely agitating me, so I ended
 up
  uninstalling FreeBSD from my main hardrive, re-installed Windows,
 and
  I am e-mailing you guys for help, but don't fret, I have not left
  FreeBSD high and dry. I am going to install it onto my very old
 261MB
  SeaGate HDD. But if I am going to use FreeBSD I need help getting
  used to it. Like, for example, how do I run a program, let's say
  Netscape for example. Please do help! I have always heard good
  reports about UNIX based OSes like FreeBSD. Thank-you.
 
 
 
 You probably want elinks a text only browser. It runs from the
 console
 without xwindows and is so small that it will fit on your small hard
 drive
 
 Install it from /usr/ports/www/elinks. Run it
 like this: 'elinks http://www.google.com'.
 
 If you want a console graphical browser that works without X.
 Run , pkg_add -vr svgalib  to install SVGAlib. Then install port
 /usr/ports/www/links and change install compile options to use
 svgalib instead of the default xwindows.
 run it like this: links -g -mode 640x480x64k http://www.google.com
 
 
 
 
 
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I used to run an earlier version of FreeBSD on a machine with a 200MB
disk (and 48 MB of memory), and that included running X-Windows and
Netscape.  I am not sure if they would still fit, and you would have to
choose the packages you want quite carefully.  Avoid KDE and GNOME - I
am sure they won't fit.  But if you tried FVWM as the Window Manager,
and Mozilla or Firefox (which is a good bit smaller) you might be able
to get it to work.  

Well worth a try if you can't get your hands on a bigger disk.  I am not
sure where you live, but in North America you could get a larger used
disk for a very modest price.


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Re: httpd with SSL

2004-09-06 Thread Josh Hansen
Cristi Tauber wrote:
   Hello,
   I installed from ports (switched from sources ... hope to learn :) )
apache 1.3.29 with mod-ssl. All good ... httpd works ... i issued a
certificate ... but now when my computer reboots and apache starts in
ssl mode it asks for pass phrase !!! So ... if computer reboots over
night someone have to write the pass phrase so the computer can start.
This is annoying ... how can i skip this ... can i enter the passphrase
in my boot script ? How ???
Cristi
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Hello Cristi,
This is from the apache site:
How can I get rid of the pass-phrase dialog at Apache startup time?
The reason why this dialog pops up at startup and every re-start is that 
the RSA private key inside your server.key file is stored in encrypted 
format for security reasons. The pass-phrase is needed to be able to 
read and parse this file. When you can be sure that your server is 
secure enough you perform two steps:

  1. Remove the encryption from the RSA private key (while preserving 
the original file):

 $ cp server.key server.key.org
 $ openssl rsa -in server.key.org -out server.key
  2. Make sure the server.key file is now only readable by root:
 $ chmod 400 server.key
Now server.key will contain an unencrypted copy of the key. If you point 
your server at this file it will not prompt you for a pass-phrase. 
HOWEVER, if anyone gets this key they will be able to impersonate you on 
the net. PLEASE make sure that the permissions on that file are really 
such that only root or the web server user can read it (preferably get 
your web server to start as root but run as another server, and have the 
key readable only by root).

As an alternative approach you can use the ``SSLPassPhraseDialog 
exec:/path/to/program'' facility. But keep in mind that this is neither 
more nor less secure, of course.
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Re: installation troubles

2004-09-06 Thread Iuliu Pascaru
Hello sergey,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:

ss message to questions.

ss   , FREEBSD ,
ss ,, 
ss  -  .

ss CDROM ?

, -.   
,,  
 .

 ... :)   
.   ,, 
 .  
 . ;)  
   .  
  . 
.

   FreeBSD 
  FreeBSD Handbook.  
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html .
,
 ,   . :))

,  FreeBSD 
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Fwd: external todo patch to qmail (ports)

2004-09-06 Thread Emil Isberg
Hi,
I sent the following message to the qmail port maintainer.
External todo patch is a good option to have for busy mailservers since if 
you continously get email to your smtp-server then qmail-send can't keep up 
with both todo-queue and spawning qmail-local/qmail-remote.

I don't suggest changing the default install, but only add external todo as 
an option for those of us that use freebsd and qmail for busy mailservers.

I have not yet received any response from the qmail port maintainer so I 
wonder where I should go and whom I should turn to to get it included in 
the port or a reason why it shouldn't be added.

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:14:55 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Emil Isberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: external todo patch to qmail (ports)
Hi,
I noticed you are maintainer for the qmail port in FreeBSD.
I've recently needed ext_todo patch for several installations of qmail 
(where I couldn't use qmail-ldap) so I created a patch to include that 
patch into the main qmail port.

I've attached it to this mail and hope this could be included in the ports.
You might want to check for other dist sites for this patch.


ext_todo_port.patch
Description: Binary data
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Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 06 Sep JJB wrote:
  I experienced the same thing w/ beta-2
  Just *before* putting an image back I discovered that beta-2 had
  *changed* the LBA setting of my harddrive to another value.
  Putting this back (manualy forcing the bios into using LBA), my
  windows came back on.. Pfftt..
 
  Def not a nice thing of beta-2 ;-(
 
 I have the same problem with 5.3 beta-2.
 How about some details explaining how you reset the HD to LBA mode.
 
 This is a bug with 5.3 that needs to be reported back to the
 development team so it gets fixed by next weekly beta release.

I don't know what to report. Have no idea why this beta does this. I
simply *forced* the drive back to LBA mode in the bios, that's it.
(normally it's on 'automatic' ;-)

FreeBSD-beta-2 had put the drive into 'LRG' (Large). It took me a while
to see what happened. You are surprised because the drive just halts and
you have no idea why. Now I know this sometimes can happen (even as a
bug) it will not take me that long again to find out ;-)

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Re: Fwd: external todo patch to qmail (ports)

2004-09-06 Thread Bill Moran
Emil Isberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I sent the following message to the qmail port maintainer.
 External todo patch is a good option to have for busy mailservers since if 
 you continously get email to your smtp-server then qmail-send can't keep up 
 with both todo-queue and spawning qmail-local/qmail-remote.
 
 I don't suggest changing the default install, but only add external todo as 
 an option for those of us that use freebsd and qmail for busy mailservers.
 
 I have not yet received any response from the qmail port maintainer so I 
 wonder where I should go and whom I should turn to to get it included in 
 the port or a reason why it shouldn't be added.

Have you filed a PR?
http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html

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Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)

2004-09-06 Thread Dustin
It's a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.2.1 REL, installed the kern-developer mode of 
install, immediately after install did the following:
 
-installed cvsup-without-gui
-updated ports tree using cvsup
-attempted to install portupgrade from port and received following error:
 

Ruby18 error
dependency warning: used openssl version contains known vulnerabilities
pleas update or define either WITH_OPENSSL_BASE or WITH_OPENSSL_PORT
*** Error code 1

 

I then installed ruby18 from port using make install clean, and then installed 
portupgrade, this time I received no errors.

 

Then I attempted to run portsdb -uU, and received the following errors:

 

core dumped ruby18 portsdb

 

What am I doing wrong here?

 

-Dustin

 

 

 
 
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Re: install qmail by using PORTS

2004-09-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
kinux wrote:
i always install qmail by source code compiled manually, this time, i would
like to try to use ports install qmail, but there is a problem about the patch
included in ports and any patch will be installed automacticall/ by default.
i tried to read Makefile, not really sure, checked
/usr/ports/mail/qmail/distinfo with following patches will be fetched, but all
of them will be installed? if not, how can i install them?? Thanks
If you try type a make, the build process will tell you:
You may use the following build options:
WITH_QMAILQUEUE_PATCH=yes   enable patch to qmail to run a QMAILQUEUE
program instead of bin/qmail-queue
WITH_BIG_TODO_PATCH=yes enable big_todo qmail patch
WITH_BIG_CONCURRENCY_PATCH=yes  enable patch to qmail to
use a concurrency greater than 240
WITH_BIG_CONCURRENCY_PATCH_CONCURRENCY_LIMIT=NUMBER
(default NUMBER=)
set this to a value reasonable for
your system if you use the patch
WITH_OUTGOINGIP_PATCH=yes   enable patch to qmail to
allow setting the IP address
used by qmail when sending
outgoing messages
WITH_PRESERVE_CONFIG_FILES=yes  do not run automatic config
to preserve your config files
I'm not sure whether that means all of these options default to being on, but 
it's possible.  Otherwise, turn them on: env WITH_QMAILQUEUE_PATH=yes make

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Re: Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Dustin wrote:
It's a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.2.1 REL, installed the kern-developer mode of install, immediately after install did the following:
 
-installed cvsup-without-gui
-updated ports tree using cvsup
-attempted to install portupgrade from port and received following error:
 

Ruby18 error
dependency warning: used openssl version contains known vulnerabilities
pleas update or define either WITH_OPENSSL_BASE or WITH_OPENSSL_PORT
*** Error code 1
 

I then installed ruby18 from port using make install clean, and then installed 
portupgrade, this time I received no errors.
 

Then I attempted to run portsdb -uU, and received the following errors:
 

core dumped ruby18 portsdb
 

What am I doing wrong here?
 

-Dustin
This is an ongoing issue with portsdb/ruby.
The way I see it, there are some easy fixes out there
0. install portindex
1. cvsup (as you did)
2. run portindex - this takes a while the 1st time.
3. run portindexdb
4. pkgdb -afuF (or what ever parms you use)
5. portversion -vL= (this dumps out the ports that need updating)
6. portupgrade -a (or what ever parms you use.

Another way: - this changes the default database (btriev) to hash
setenv PORTS_DBDRIVER bdb1_hash
then run your portdb -u
In fact, I opted for this one. I now run my ports tree updating scripts 
as I did BEFORE these issues.

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Re: Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Chris wrote:
Dustin wrote:
It's a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.2.1 REL, installed the 
kern-developer mode of install, immediately after install did the 
following:
 
-installed cvsup-without-gui
-updated ports tree using cvsup
-attempted to install portupgrade from port and received following error:
 

Ruby18 error
dependency warning: used openssl version contains known vulnerabilities
pleas update or define either WITH_OPENSSL_BASE or WITH_OPENSSL_PORT
*** Error code 1
 

I then installed ruby18 from port using make install clean, and then 
installed portupgrade, this time I received no errors.

 

Then I attempted to run portsdb -uU, and received the following errors:
 

core dumped ruby18 portsdb
 

What am I doing wrong here?
 

-Dustin

This is an ongoing issue with portsdb/ruby.
The way I see it, there are some easy fixes out there
0. install portindex
1. cvsup (as you did)
2. run portindex - this takes a while the 1st time.
3. run portindexdb
4. pkgdb -afuF (or what ever parms you use)
5. portversion -vL= (this dumps out the ports that need updating)
6. portupgrade -a (or what ever parms you use.

Another way: - this changes the default database (btriev) to hash
setenv PORTS_DBDRIVER bdb1_hash
then run your portdb -u
In fact, I opted for this one. I now run my ports tree updating scripts 
as I did BEFORE these issues.


Actually, Why couldn't FreeBSD change the database in the port system? 
It's certainly a fast fix.

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Update Databases from Webserver

2004-09-06 Thread FreeBSD Mail Lists
Hello,

I would like to see how other people are updating backend databases (postgresql on 
FreeBSD, internal network) from a webserver (apache,php on FreeBSD, dmz network) 
through a firewall.  Pretty much what I am trying to learn is how to take private 
information (credit card numbers, etc.) and write it to a backend database without 
leaving any huge holes for hacking.  Should this be done or am I barking up the wrong 
tree, should there be an intermediary step?  I have been trying to find information 
books/web that gives a real nuts and bolts way of trying to do this stuff and am not 
having a lot of luck.  Any pointers books or sites would be appreciated.

Thanks for your time.
Troy
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Re: Web browsing

2004-09-06 Thread Dariush
Once you install your FreeBSD system, you can use many
browsers. i.e if you install the kde desktop, it will
come with a browser.

You can also install mozilla (netscape) and or
firefox.

so browsing is not an issue but I would say that your
harddrive is pretty small. 

You may want to get a bigger drive.

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wrote: 
 On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 10:27:43PM -0400, Douglas
 wrote:
  Um, I know this is going to sound stupid, but I am
 completely dumbfounded 
 as to how I can runa web browser in FreeBSD. I got
 so frustrated that I 
 didn't know how to use FreeBSD and the fact that
 Elmira is a Windows city 
 was completely agitating me, so I ended up
 uninstalling FreeBSD from my main 
 hardrive, re-installed Windows, and I am e-mailing
 you guys for help, but 
 don't fret, I have not left FreeBSD high and dry. I
 am going to install it 
 onto my very old 261MB SeaGate HDD. But if I am
 going to use FreeBSD I need 
 help getting used to it. Like, for example, how do
 I run a program, let's say 
 Netscape for example. Please do help! I have always
 heard good reports about 
 UNIX based OSes like FreeBSD. Thank-you.
 
 If you're unfamiliar with UNIX and need some
 tutorials to help you find
 your way around, Dru Lavigne's articles at
 http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/15
 are a great way to get to know FreeBSD and UNIX in
 general.
 
 It takes some time and a lot of trial and error but
 it's worth it.
 
 Good luck!
 
 Jim
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Re: [Vinum-devel] loader.conf variables for vinum

2004-09-06 Thread Joerg Wunsch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] with FreeBSD 4.x]

As Bob Van Valzazh wrote:

 Short answer: don't set vinum.autostart

 Long answers: 5.x contains code to discover all attached disk drives
 whereas 4.x does not.  Hence 4.x needs to be told were to look for
 disks (that's the vinum.drives setting).  Vinum.autostart just tells
 5.x to run the discovery code.

Addition: the code to parse the name of the root device in 4.x is too
narrow-minded to parse a string like /dev/vinum/root, it can only
parse [/dev/]DDU[sS]P-style root device names (DD - driver name, U -
unit number, sS - slice number, P - partition letter).  Thus you need
to set the vinum.root variable so the vinum subsystem pre-determines
the name of the root device, and the parser for the root device name
will be bypassed.  FreeBSD 5.x contains a much more flexible parser
for the root device name, which allows each subsystem to place hooks
into it, and try translating a name like /dev/vinum/root into the
respective major/minor device number.  That's why vinum.root is no
longer needed under 5.x either.

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Re: Where to find jw on FreeBSD?

2004-09-06 Thread Mikko Työläjärvi
On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Matt Emmerton wrote:
I've working on an open source project that recent went through a
documentation frenzy and now we have a bunch of SGML (XML) docs that we
reguarly convert to HTML and PDF.
The person that usually does this runs RedHat and uses a project called 'jw'
(jadewrapper) which is a nice front-end to all the docbook2xxx routines.
I'm trying to do this on FreeBSD, and have docbook, jade and sgmltools
installed from ports yet none of them include 'jw'.
I know I can use the docbook2xxx routines, but was just wondering if there
is a port that contains 'jw' or if this is a Linux/RedHat-only script?
Sort-of.  Google leads me to http://freshmeat.net/projects/docbook-utils/,
which points to http://sources.redhat.com/docbook-tools/.
   $.02,
   /Mikko
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updating code

2004-09-06 Thread arden
hi all 

I downloaded the 5.3 beta2 edition the other night 
Before i have had time to test it beta 3 came out 

Is there a way of installing beta 2 then updating the code 
like debian apt-get update ?

Arden 

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Re: updating code

2004-09-06 Thread Dariush
Hi Arden,

Yes, you can simply update the source tree and sync in
to get the 5.3 latest beta.

check out rebuilding the world at

http://www.avoid.ca/blog/archives/2004/09/rebuilding_the.html

 --- arden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 hi all 
 
 I downloaded the 5.3 beta2 edition the other night 
 Before i have had time to test it beta 3 came out 
 
 Is there a way of installing beta 2 then updating
 the code 
 like debian apt-get update ?
 
 Arden 
 
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RE: Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)

2004-09-06 Thread Dustin
Thanks, that fixed my issue!  
 
Why did this happen anyway?
 
Dustin

-Original Message- 
From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Mon 9/6/2004 1:11 PM 
To: Dustin 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)



Dustin wrote:
 It's a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.2.1 REL, installed the kern-developer 
mode of install, immediately after install did the following:
 
 -installed cvsup-without-gui
 -updated ports tree using cvsup
 -attempted to install portupgrade from port and received following error:
 

 Ruby18 error
 dependency warning: used openssl version contains known vulnerabilities
 pleas update or define either WITH_OPENSSL_BASE or WITH_OPENSSL_PORT
 *** Error code 1

 

 I then installed ruby18 from port using make install clean, and then 
installed portupgrade, this time I received no errors.

 

 Then I attempted to run portsdb -uU, and received the following errors:

 

 core dumped ruby18 portsdb

 

 What am I doing wrong here?

 

 -Dustin

This is an ongoing issue with portsdb/ruby.
The way I see it, there are some easy fixes out there

0. install portindex
1. cvsup (as you did)
2. run portindex - this takes a while the 1st time.
3. run portindexdb
4. pkgdb -afuF (or what ever parms you use)
5. portversion -vL= (this dumps out the ports that need updating)
6. portupgrade -a (or what ever parms you use.




Another way: - this changes the default database (btriev) to hash

setenv PORTS_DBDRIVER bdb1_hash

then run your portdb -u
In fact, I opted for this one. I now run my ports tree updating scripts
as I did BEFORE these issues.


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xorg -configure: command not found

2004-09-06 Thread Dustin
Probably a stupid question but, just installed xorg from ports, ran 'rehash', and 
attempted to run 'Xorg -configure', but get:
 
Xorg: Command not found.
 
I added 'X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=xorg' to make.conf even though XFree86 was never installed on 
this system.
 
What am I missing?
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Strange Internet Problems

2004-09-06 Thread Jason Dusek
In certain places, I am unable to get on the internet even though I am 
recognized by the DHCP server and assigned an IP address. In most cases, I am 
not able to ping anything, but even when I can (for example at my parents' 
house, which is serviced by MSN) my browser times out. What is the name of this 
problem, and which section of the docs will help me to fix it?

_jason
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Re: xorg -configure: command not found

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Dustin wrote:
Probably a stupid question but, just installed xorg from ports, ran 'rehash', and attempted to run 'Xorg -configure', but get:
 
Xorg: Command not found.
 
I added 'X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=xorg' to make.conf even though XFree86 was never installed on this system.
 
What am I missing?

2 things -
1. startx ought to start X and bring you into your WM of choice.
2. To configure X itself,  xorgcfg OR xorgconfig
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data backup software for freebsd

2004-09-06 Thread John Lee
hmm, are there any popular free data backup software
for freebsd?

i hope to backup my /etc and important files to another
server via ftp.

--john.
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RE: xorg -configure: command not found

2004-09-06 Thread Dustin
When I run any one of those commands, I get a command not found message.
 
I followed the instructions in the handbook to a tee, not sure what's going on.
 
Just to refresh, it's a FreeBSD 5.2.1-REL (Fresh Install), kern-developer option, 
updated ports tree using cvsup, ran portupgrade, etc..
 
Dustin

-Original Message- 
From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Mon 9/6/2004 5:35 PM 
To: Dustin 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: xorg -configure: command not found



Dustin wrote:
 Probably a stupid question but, just installed xorg from ports, ran 
'rehash', and attempted to run 'Xorg -configure', but get:
 
 Xorg: Command not found.
 
 I added 'X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=xorg' to make.conf even though XFree86 was never 
installed on this system.
 
 What am I missing?


2 things -

1. startx ought to start X and bring you into your WM of choice.
2. To configure X itself,  xorgcfg OR xorgconfig


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Re: xorg -configure: command not found

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Dustin wrote:
When I run any one of those commands, I get a command not found message.
 
I followed the instructions in the handbook to a tee, not sure what's going on.
 
Just to refresh, it's a FreeBSD 5.2.1-REL (Fresh Install), kern-developer option, updated ports tree using cvsup, ran portupgrade, etc..
 
Dustin

	-Original Message- 
	From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
	Sent: Mon 9/6/2004 5:35 PM 
	To: Dustin 
	Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
	Subject: Re: xorg -configure: command not found
	
	

	Dustin wrote:
	 Probably a stupid question but, just installed xorg from ports, ran 'rehash', and attempted to run 'Xorg -configure', but get:
	 
	 Xorg: Command not found.
	 
	 I added 'X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=xorg' to make.conf even though XFree86 was never installed on this system.
	 
	 What am I missing?
	
	
	2 things -
	
	1. startx ought to start X and bring you into your WM of choice.
	2. To configure X itself,  xorgcfg OR xorgconfig
	
	
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	Chris
	
	Everybody who didn't want a pain shot when you were
	passing out pain shots wants one when you are passing
	out sleeping pills.
	


When in doubt,
cd /usr/X11R6/bin  ls xorg*
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Re: data backup software for freebsd

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
John Lee wrote:
hmm, are there any popular free data backup software
for freebsd?
i hope to backup my /etc and important files to another
server via ftp.
--john.
A few , tar, gzip and dump come to mind. man them all.
Works great, less filling
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Re: Strange Internet Problems

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Jason Dusek wrote:
In certain places, I am unable to get on the internet even though I am 
recognized by the DHCP server and assigned an IP address. In most cases, 
I am not able to ping anything, but even when I can (for example at my 
parents' house, which is serviced by MSN) my browser times out. What is 
the name of this problem, and which section of the docs will help me to 
fix it?

_jason
Well - assuming you are talking about FreeBSD, I'm not so sure it's a 
FreeBSD issue. If you can connect to the internet, and if you are 
running ipf/ipfw - then look at your ruleset.

Other then that - call your ISP
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Apache+mod_ssl + mod_php segfault

2004-09-06 Thread Vonleigh Simmons
Hello,
	I've been battling this for a while. I'm running FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE, 
apache is apache13-modssl, php is the mod_php version. All latest 
versions (cvsup this morning).

	The problem is that apache segfaults on startup when 
loadmodule/addmodule php are in the config file. Originally I fixed the 
problem by compiling apache without expat. However, after a portupgrade 
it stopped working again.

	Right now it's working with a major kludge: start up apache with 
loadmodule/addmodule commented out, comment them back in and do an 
apachectl restart. Somehow this lets apache work without segfaulting. 
However, if I do an apachectl graceful/restart, then it segfaults again 
and won't start up.

	I've tried recompiling apache, recompiling php, getting rid of php 
extensions, etc, all to no avail. Any help or ideas are greatly 
appreciated.

Vonleigh Simmons
http://illusionart.com/
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Re: Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Dustin wrote:
Thanks, that fixed my issue!  
 
Why did this happen anyway?
 
Dustin

That - I can't answer. Seems to be the million dollar question.

	-Original Message- 
	From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
	Sent: Mon 9/6/2004 1:11 PM 
	To: Dustin 
	Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
	Subject: Re: Post Install Configuration Issues (ruby18 error)
	
	

	Dustin wrote:
	 It's a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.2.1 REL, installed the kern-developer mode of install, immediately after install did the following:
	 
	 -installed cvsup-without-gui
	 -updated ports tree using cvsup
	 -attempted to install portupgrade from port and received following error:
	 
	
	 Ruby18 error
	 dependency warning: used openssl version contains known vulnerabilities
	 pleas update or define either WITH_OPENSSL_BASE or WITH_OPENSSL_PORT
	 *** Error code 1
	
	 
	
	 I then installed ruby18 from port using make install clean, and then installed portupgrade, this time I received no errors.
	
	 
	
	 Then I attempted to run portsdb -uU, and received the following errors:
	
	 
	
	 core dumped ruby18 portsdb
	
	 
	
	 What am I doing wrong here?
	
	 
	
	 -Dustin
	
	This is an ongoing issue with portsdb/ruby.
	The way I see it, there are some easy fixes out there
	
	0. install portindex
	1. cvsup (as you did)
	2. run portindex - this takes a while the 1st time.
	3. run portindexdb
	4. pkgdb -afuF (or what ever parms you use)
	5. portversion -vL= (this dumps out the ports that need updating)
	6. portupgrade -a (or what ever parms you use.
	
	
	
	
	Another way: - this changes the default database (btriev) to hash
	
	setenv PORTS_DBDRIVER bdb1_hash
	
	then run your portdb -u
	In fact, I opted for this one. I now run my ports tree updating scripts
	as I did BEFORE these issues.
	
	
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	Chris
	
	The organization of any program reflects the organization
	of the people who developed it.
	


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Re: Update Databases from Webserver

2004-09-06 Thread Richard Lynch
FreeBSD Mail Lists wrote:
 I would like to see how other people are updating backend databases
 (postgresql on FreeBSD, internal network) from a webserver (apache,php on
 FreeBSD, dmz network) through a firewall.  Pretty much what I am trying to
 learn is how to take private information (credit card numbers, etc.) and
 write it to a backend database without leaving any huge holes for hacking.
  Should this be done or am I barking up the wrong tree, should there be an
 intermediary step?  I have been trying to find information books/web that
 gives a real nuts and bolts way of trying to do this stuff and am not
 having a lot of luck.  Any pointers books or sites would be appreciated.

The most common answer is Don't do that

99.9% of e-commerce sites have absolutely no business storing credit
card numbers on any hardware they own.

They should simply run the transaction through their Merchant Account
(bank)  computer using a secure connection, and the software provided by
their Merchant Account (bank).

If you need a recurring charge, you can run your charge through the
Merchant Account as a recurring charge (whoda thunk it?) and the
Merchant Account software will give you back a unique transaction # to
refer to if you ever need to cancel THAT particular recurring charge.  You
would store only that transaction number, and *NOT* the customer's credit
card charge.

In the unlikely event that you really *ARE* in the 0.01% of servers
that needs to store credit card info...  Well, it's kinda scare that
you're asking here, rather than a security mailing list, but here is *ONE*
solution that may be worth considering.

I am posting to the list so that others can tell us just how inadequate
this is.

You should also be aware that by no means am I an expert -- I am simply
describing what has been described to me as the right way (tm) to do
this.

My information may be out of date.  (It's been awhile.)

I chose to let the Merchant Account (bank) worry about keeping credit card
numbers safe, rather than do all of the following.

You probably should too.

Depending on the current interpretation of existing laws, you, the web
developer, may or may not be held responsible for *ANY* damages that
result from your work -- no matter how faultless you may be in reality. 
We're talking legalities here, not reality.

Did I mention that you really shouldn't be doing this at all?  Good.



First, your servers *MUST* be in a physically secure location, with access
limited to *ONLY* people you really really really trust.

No software in the world will do you any damn good if a not-so-honest
person can waltz in and play around with the hardware!

If you *CANNOT* guarantee that the hardware in question can *ONLY* be
accessed by trusted individuals, than you should stop reading right here
and now.

This rules out shared servers, co-location (IMHO), and almost all
corporate servers, which need too many people of limited trust value to be
able to access them to keep them up.

Next, you need a SECOND server which will be used to hold credit card
info, and that second computer will *NOT* be connected to the Internet
(directly)

You put an extra NIC in your web-server, and run a cross-over cable to the
SECOND server, the extra one, which will hold the credit card numbers.

You limit ethernet access to that second computer which will hold credit
cards so that *ONLY* the one computer connected to it via the cross-over
cable will be allowed to connect.

The extra NIC in the web-server and the SECOND server are both on a
separate sub-net from everything else in your system.  IE, the only
interface cards in your entire organization that utilize the IP address
space in question are those two (2) NICs.

You then make 100% sure that you simply cannot get to that SECOND box from
anywhere else in the organization.

What is quite well-documented is that you use SSL (and ONLY SSL) to allow
the customer to get their credit card info to your web-server.

You then write some routines to get the credit card numbers from your
web-server through your second NIC to the second server.

These routines get the fine-tooth code-review treatment, by multiple people.

They should be mind-numbingly simple, clearly documented, and do the
absolute minimum possible to conduct your business.

You test these routines every way you can think of to see how they can be
broken.

You hire an outside security audit team to test your server and routines
to see how they can be broken.

You use something like tripwire to raise nine kinds of hell if anything
changes on the portion of the web-server that talks to the SECOND machine,
and, of course, if anything (other than data) changes on the SECOND
machine.

Under *NO* circumstances should the routines *EVER* store the credit card
numbers in any file, database, shared memory, or anything less transitory
than the variables of a single script, operating under SSL, on the
web-server.

So, in effect, you get the cc# onto the 

[no subject]

2004-09-06 Thread Ara Avvali
How about typing rehash as root and then try

 

From: Dustin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: RE: xorg -configure: command not found

To: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 

When I run any one of those commands, I get a command not found message.

 

I followed the instructions in the handbook to a tee, not sure what's going
on.

 

Just to refresh, it's a FreeBSD 5.2.1-REL (Fresh Install), kern-developer
option, updated ports tree using cvsup, ran portupgrade, etc..

 

Dustin

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Re: [another me too] Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-06 Thread Joe Altman
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 09:20:14AM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
 Hi Donald,
 
 Nico - I suggest you try it again tomorrow. I thought I had it fixed 
 yesterday. Then I re-cvsup'd today and redid my things. Ruby18 is 
 again seg faulting for me. Not going into a loop and continuously 
 seg faulting, but bad enough.
 
 After cvsupping my ports tree, running portindex (not portindexdb!) and 
 portsdb -u (which gave core dumps) all is well. No more 'bus errors'.
 
 portindex seems like a wonderful tool, so I'm keeping it around.

Sigh:

on voip in /var/db # portsdb -Uu 
Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
wait.. Done.
done
[Updating the portsdb format:bdb1_btree in /usr/ports ... - 11736
port entries found
.1000.2000.3000.4000.
5000.6000.7000.8000
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587:
[BUG] Bus Error
ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd4]

Abort (core dumped)

I'm thinking, at this point, that I'm seeing something
hardware-related. Good thing I'm replacing voip w/ new hardware and
moving to 5.3, I guess.
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Re: [another me too] Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-06 Thread antenneX
- Original Message - 
From: Joe Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [another me too] Re: portindex/portindexdb


 On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 09:20:14AM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
  Hi Donald,
 
  Nico - I suggest you try it again tomorrow. I thought I had it
fixed
  yesterday. Then I re-cvsup'd today and redid my things. Ruby18 is
  again seg faulting for me. Not going into a loop and continuously
  seg faulting, but bad enough.
 
  After cvsupping my ports tree, running portindex (not portindexdb!)
and
  portsdb -u (which gave core dumps) all is well. No more 'bus
errors'.
 
  portindex seems like a wonderful tool, so I'm keeping it around.

 Sigh:

 on voip in /var/db # portsdb -Uu
 Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
 wait.. Done.
 done
 [Updating the portsdb format:bdb1_btree in /usr/ports ... - 11736
 port entries found
 .1000.2000.3000.4000.
 5000.6000.7000.8000
 /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587:
 [BUG] Bus Error
 ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd4]

 Abort (core dumped)

 I'm thinking, at this point, that I'm seeing something
 hardware-related. Good thing I'm replacing voip w/ new hardware and
 moving to 5.3, I guess.

No, it's not hardware.. I've fixed mine following the earlier
threads.

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Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread pedro
Ok,

I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously, windows
started to run again... although the horrible beep problem happens
everytime I reboot my pc from FreeBSD (whenever I boot my pc from windows,
it resets normally!). According to my motherboard manual, the beep sound
matches the one that is described as no DRAM installed or detected.
As told by one of you guys here, about the LBA, I just couldn't find any
option in my bios to change this... :(
I tried to load my bios default configuration (in order to clear
whatever the FreeBSD instalation has done to it) but the problem remained...
Does anyone have any idea about what to do?

I just got happy when I saw you answered my question,
Thank you.

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From: jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pedro n/a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta


 Pedro n/a wrote:

  In the first time I rebooted my computer, after I've finished the
  installation of this version, my motherboard started to beep and I
  didn't know what to do.
  After reseting the computer I realized that I could no longer boot
  my Windows. I did selected it from BootMng and it gave no response.
  Even though I tried to use FDISK /MBR to rewrite the MBR, all my
  effords were in vain and I couldn't start windows again.
  Recently I've reinstalled an old release version (trustworthy) but
  windows still unable to boot.
  Does anyone know anything that  could be helpful?
 
  Thanks in advance,
  Pedro
 
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 what it means.  Sounds like a hardware problem with the beeping.  Try
 looking for a boot disk image online and boot windows from that.  I have
 5.3beta3 from yesterday, no problems.
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RE: xorg -configure: command not found

2004-09-06 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Dustin wrote:
When I run any one of those commands, I get a command not found 
message.

I followed the instructions in the handbook to a tee, not sure what's 
going on.

Just to refresh, it's a FreeBSD 5.2.1-REL (Fresh Install), 
kern-developer option, updated ports tree using cvsup, ran 
portupgrade, etc..
Sounds like you don't have xorg installed yet.  kern-developer wouldn't 
have it; X-kern-developer would.

If pkg_info shows any xorg packages installed, it could also be a path 
problem.

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Update Kde 3.x to 3.y

2004-09-06 Thread Leandro Malaquias
Hi, 
 
I'm new to the list and I'm sure that this question has been asked before, but I am 
using kde 3.1 and I've read heaps of stuff on the 
internet but none really helped. How can I update my kde 3.1 to kde 3.2.3 using cvsup? 
 
thx 
 
Leandro 
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Re: Strange Internet Problems

2004-09-06 Thread Donald J. O'Neill
Hello Jason,

I'll try my hand at helping you. Please go to:
 http://www.lemis.com/questions.html#submit

I have some questions to get you started on the way to being helped.

1)  What are you using to connect to the internet? A laptop that you 
are taking from place to place? Someone else's computer that is 
where you happen to be at the time? 

2)  How are you trying to connect to the Internet? Broadband or 
dialup?

3)  What are examples of IP addresses that you are assigned by the 
DHCP server?

4)  What do you have in /etc/resolv.conf?

5)  What is the output of ifconfig

6)  What version of FreeBSD are you using? What is the output from 
uname -a?

7)  When your browser times out, are you trying to connect to the 
browser home page? or some other web site?

Don

Donald J. O'Neill
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On Monday 06 September 2004 05:34 pm, Jason Dusek wrote:
 In certain places, I am unable to get on the internet even though
 I am recognized by the DHCP server and assigned an IP address. In
 most cases, I am not able to ping anything, but even when I can
 (for example at my parents' house, which is serviced by MSN) my
 browser times out. What is the name of this problem, and which
 section of the docs will help me to fix it?

 _jason

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RE: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread JJB
Pedro
I do not understand what you mean by
I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously, windows
started to run again.
What is a win boot device?

Are you trying to say you reinstalled windows from scratch using the
MS/Windows install cd?
That you lost your old windows partition and all the data in it?

Or that this win boot device thing fixed your hard drive so the
FreeBSD operating system boot menu F1 boots your windows system and
F2 boots your 5.3 FreeBSD system?


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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:15 PM
To: jason
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta


Ok,

I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously,
windows
started to run again... although the horrible beep problem happens
everytime I reboot my pc from FreeBSD (whenever I boot my pc from
windows,
it resets normally!). According to my motherboard manual, the beep
sound
matches the one that is described as no DRAM installed or detected.
As told by one of you guys here, about the LBA, I just couldn't
find any
option in my bios to change this... :(
I tried to load my bios default configuration (in order to clear
whatever the FreeBSD instalation has done to it) but the problem
remained...
Does anyone have any idea about what to do?

I just got happy when I saw you answered my question,
Thank you.

- Original Message -
From: jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pedro n/a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta


 Pedro n/a wrote:

  In the first time I rebooted my computer, after I've finished
the
  installation of this version, my motherboard started to beep and
I
  didn't know what to do.
  After reseting the computer I realized that I could no longer
boot
  my Windows. I did selected it from BootMng and it gave no
response.
  Even though I tried to use FDISK /MBR to rewrite the MBR, all my
  effords were in vain and I couldn't start windows again.
  Recently I've reinstalled an old release version (trustworthy)
but
  windows still unable to boot.
  Does anyone know anything that  could be helpful?
 
  Thanks in advance,
  Pedro
 
 
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tell
 what it means.  Sounds like a hardware problem with the beeping.
Try
 looking for a boot disk image online and boot windows from that.
I have
 5.3beta3 from yesterday, no problems.
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Broadcom 440x NIC not recognized on boot

2004-09-06 Thread Richard Lynch
I originally posted to -hardware, but no response yet...

The Broadcom 440x NIC in my new Dell Inspiron 700m is not being recognized
during boot.

FreeBSD 5.2.1 downloaded several days ago.

Install was pretty straightforward, though the post-installation only lets
me configure ppp and slip, and the help message at the bottom seems to
indicate that I was supposed to have already configured my network
connection during the installation process...  Which I don't recall
doing...

No patches/ports done as there is no ethernet...

I am reasonably certain the BFE driver should work for this NIC.
man bfe certainly makes it sound like it ought to...

The BIOS has a way to turn the NIC OFF and I have it ON

The BIOS also allows the WiFi to be OFF or ALT-F2 to turn it on/off
from Windows...  It is set to ALT-F2 (on until turned off)

I've been searching and reading docs for days now, so could not possibly
list everything I've read/tried, but I am at the end of my rope here...


I will paste below excerpts from:

  dmesg -v
  /var/log/messages (*)
  pciconf -v (prolly no more than dmesg -v, but...)

*showing my attempt to kldunload/kldload /boot/kernel/if_bfe.ko


COMPLETE output, in case I'm trimming too much, is available at the BOTTOM
of this web page:
http://phpbootcamp.com/articles/inspiron700m.htm
where I am documenting my experience in installing FreeBSD on this laptop
for others who may (or may not) find it useful.

Note that page is very much a work in progress at this time -- there are
quite a few links to be added and place-holders to be fixed.

Needless to say, anybody who tells me how to fix this NIC will be credited
there pretty much until I die, if not longer. :-^

dmesg excerpts I think are relevant:
pci2: network at device 1.0 (no driver attached)
cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.0 on pci2
pcib1: device cbb0 requested unsupported memory range
0x8800-0x (decoding 0x0-0x0, 0x0-0x0)
cbb0: Could not grab register memory
device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.1 on pci2
pcib1: device cbb0 requested unsupported memory range
0x8800-0x (decoding 0x0-0x0, 0x0-0x0)
cbb0: Could not grab register memory
device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
fwohci0: vendor=104c, dev=802e
fwohci0: 1394 Open Host Controller Interface mem
0xe020-0xe0203fff,0xe0209000-0xe02097ff irq 10 at device 4.2 on pci2
fwohci0: latency timer 32 - 32.
fwohci0: cache size 8 - 8.
pcib1: device fwohci0 requested unsupported memory range
0xe0209000-0xe02097ff (decoding 0x0-0x0, 0x0-0x0)
fwohci0: Could not map memory
device_probe_and_attach: fwohci0 attach returned 6
pci2: mass storage at device 4.3 (no driver attached)
pci2: network, ethernet at device 5.0 (no driver attached)


Output from when I unload/load the BFE driver:

Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.0 on pci2
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: Could not grab register memory
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.1 on pci2
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: Could not grab register memory
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: fwohci0: vendor=104c, dev=802e
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: fwohci0: 1394 Open Host Controller Interface
mem 0xe020-0xe0203fff,0xe0209000-0xe02097ff irq 10 at device 4.2 on
pci2
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: fwohci0: Could not map memory
Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: device_probe_and_attach: fwohci0 attach returned 6

Excerpt from pciconf:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:0:  class=0x028000 card=0x00031028 chip=0x432414e4 rev=0x03
hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Broadcom Corporation'
class= network
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0:  class=0x060700 card=0x018d1028 chip=0xac8e104c rev=0x00
hdr=0x02
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= bridge
subclass = PCI-CardBus
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:1:  class=0x060700 card=0x018d1028 chip=0xac8e104c rev=0x00
hdr=0x02
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= bridge
subclass = PCI-CardBus
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:2:  class=0x0c0010 card=0x018d1028 chip=0x802e104c rev=0x00
hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= serial bus
subclass = FireWire
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:3:  class=0x018000 card=0x018d1028 chip=0xac8f104c rev=0x00
hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= mass storage
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5:0:  class=0x02 card=0x018d1028 chip=0x170c14e4 rev=0x02
hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Broadcom Corporation'
class= network
subclass = ethernet

Any help is appreciated!

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Re: Update Kde 3.x to 3.y

2004-09-06 Thread David Syphers
On Monday 06 September 2004 06:36 pm, Leandro Malaquias wrote:
 I'm new to the list and I'm sure that this question has been asked before,
 but I am using kde 3.1 and I've read heaps of stuff on the internet but
 none really helped. How can I update my kde 3.1 to kde 3.2.3 using cvsup?

You probably want to upgrade to KDE 3.3, as this is the latest version. First 
get the latest ports directory by using cvsup on your ports-supfile. If you 
don't have one, look at the example 
in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile.

Then read the 20040830 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Normally when you upgrade 
ports you would just use the helpful portupgrade program (in 
sysutils/portupgrade), but this particular upgrade is an exception, and there 
are some additional steps. Follow the directions in UPDATING and you should 
be fine.

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Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread pedro
Actually that didn't really mean anything special. I just had a very
small partition where WINDOWS wrote the boot stuff, I think it was about
200MB (but it only uses aprox. 3MB).

Sorry for the missunderstood :)

- Original Message -
From: JJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pedro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta


 Pedro
 I do not understand what you mean by
 I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously, windows
 started to run again.
 What is a win boot device?

 Are you trying to say you reinstalled windows from scratch using the
 MS/Windows install cd?
 That you lost your old windows partition and all the data in it?

 Or that this win boot device thing fixed your hard drive so the
 FreeBSD operating system boot menu F1 boots your windows system and
 F2 boots your 5.3 FreeBSD system?


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of pedro
 Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:15 PM
 To: jason
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta


 Ok,

 I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously,
 windows
 started to run again... although the horrible beep problem happens
 everytime I reboot my pc from FreeBSD (whenever I boot my pc from
 windows,
 it resets normally!). According to my motherboard manual, the beep
 sound
 matches the one that is described as no DRAM installed or detected.
 As told by one of you guys here, about the LBA, I just couldn't
 find any
 option in my bios to change this... :(
 I tried to load my bios default configuration (in order to clear
 whatever the FreeBSD instalation has done to it) but the problem
 remained...
 Does anyone have any idea about what to do?

 I just got happy when I saw you answered my question,
 Thank you.

 - Original Message -
 From: jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pedro n/a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:51 AM
 Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta


  Pedro n/a wrote:
 
   In the first time I rebooted my computer, after I've finished
 the
   installation of this version, my motherboard started to beep and
 I
   didn't know what to do.
   After reseting the computer I realized that I could no longer
 boot
   my Windows. I did selected it from BootMng and it gave no
 response.
   Even though I tried to use FDISK /MBR to rewrite the MBR, all my
   effords were in vain and I couldn't start windows again.
   Recently I've reinstalled an old release version (trustworthy)
 but
   windows still unable to boot.
   Does anyone know anything that  could be helpful?
  
   Thanks in advance,
   Pedro
  
  
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  Can you boot freebsd?  What was the beep code, you mb manual will
 tell
  what it means.  Sounds like a hardware problem with the beeping.
 Try
  looking for a boot disk image online and boot windows from that.
 I have
  5.3beta3 from yesterday, no problems.
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Binding process to a fixed processor

2004-09-06 Thread Dennis George
Hi all,
 
I am working on a intel based multi processor system. I like to know how can I bind 
one process permanently to one processor. and other one for general use.
 
thanks in advance
 
Dennis

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Re: updating code

2004-09-06 Thread Subhro
I beg to differ Chris. Indeed all of us push people to the handbook.
But I feel tht its entirely OK if someone had made something
alternative and wants people to read it. But it would have been nicer
if Dariush said something like:

The official handbook is:

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook

You can also look up something I found at

His own link here

Regards
S.


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 Dariush wrote:
  Hi Arden,
 
  Yes, you can simply update the source tree and sync in
  to get the 5.3 latest beta.
 
  check out rebuilding the world at
 
  http://www.avoid.ca/blog/archives/2004/09/rebuilding_the.html
 
 I have issues with this. You are spamming a (or your) site.
 
 We try to push users to the correct place. The Handbook on the FreeBSD
 site. Please try to keep this needles form of spam out of the list.
 
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Re: updating code

2004-09-06 Thread Chris
Subhro wrote:
I beg to differ Chris. Indeed all of us push people to the handbook.
But I feel tht its entirely OK if someone had made something
alternative and wants people to read it. But it would have been nicer
if Dariush said something like:
The official handbook is:
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
You can also look up something I found at
His own link here
Regards
S.
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:08:32 -0500, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dariush wrote:
Hi Arden,
Yes, you can simply update the source tree and sync in
to get the 5.3 latest beta.
check out rebuilding the world at
http://www.avoid.ca/blog/archives/2004/09/rebuilding_the.html
I have issues with this. You are spamming a (or your) site.
We try to push users to the correct place. The Handbook on the FreeBSD
site. Please try to keep this needles form of spam out of the list.
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Re: Broadcom 440x NIC not recognized on boot

2004-09-06 Thread Subhro
Could I have a look at your whole dmesg?

Also tell us something about your other hardware. Did you try popping
out the NIC and fixing it in another slot?

Regards
S.


On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:06:30 -0700 (PDT), Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I originally posted to -hardware, but no response yet...
 
 The Broadcom 440x NIC in my new Dell Inspiron 700m is not being recognized
 during boot.
 
 FreeBSD 5.2.1 downloaded several days ago.
 
 Install was pretty straightforward, though the post-installation only lets
 me configure ppp and slip, and the help message at the bottom seems to
 indicate that I was supposed to have already configured my network
 connection during the installation process...  Which I don't recall
 doing...
 
 No patches/ports done as there is no ethernet...
 
 I am reasonably certain the BFE driver should work for this NIC.
 man bfe certainly makes it sound like it ought to...
 
 The BIOS has a way to turn the NIC OFF and I have it ON
 
 The BIOS also allows the WiFi to be OFF or ALT-F2 to turn it on/off
 from Windows...  It is set to ALT-F2 (on until turned off)
 
 I've been searching and reading docs for days now, so could not possibly
 list everything I've read/tried, but I am at the end of my rope here...
 
 I will paste below excerpts from:
 
  dmesg -v
  /var/log/messages (*)
  pciconf -v (prolly no more than dmesg -v, but...)
 
 *showing my attempt to kldunload/kldload /boot/kernel/if_bfe.ko
 
 COMPLETE output, in case I'm trimming too much, is available at the BOTTOM
 of this web page:
 http://phpbootcamp.com/articles/inspiron700m.htm
 where I am documenting my experience in installing FreeBSD on this laptop
 for others who may (or may not) find it useful.
 
 Note that page is very much a work in progress at this time -- there are
 quite a few links to be added and place-holders to be fixed.
 
 Needless to say, anybody who tells me how to fix this NIC will be credited
 there pretty much until I die, if not longer. :-^
 
 dmesg excerpts I think are relevant:
 pci2: network at device 1.0 (no driver attached)
 cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.0 on pci2
 pcib1: device cbb0 requested unsupported memory range
 0x8800-0x (decoding 0x0-0x0, 0x0-0x0)
 cbb0: Could not grab register memory
 device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
 cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.1 on pci2
 pcib1: device cbb0 requested unsupported memory range
 0x8800-0x (decoding 0x0-0x0, 0x0-0x0)
 cbb0: Could not grab register memory
 device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
 fwohci0: vendor=104c, dev=802e
 fwohci0: 1394 Open Host Controller Interface mem
 0xe020-0xe0203fff,0xe0209000-0xe02097ff irq 10 at device 4.2 on pci2
 fwohci0: latency timer 32 - 32.
 fwohci0: cache size 8 - 8.
 pcib1: device fwohci0 requested unsupported memory range
 0xe0209000-0xe02097ff (decoding 0x0-0x0, 0x0-0x0)
 fwohci0: Could not map memory
 device_probe_and_attach: fwohci0 attach returned 6
 pci2: mass storage at device 4.3 (no driver attached)
 pci2: network, ethernet at device 5.0 (no driver attached)
 
 Output from when I unload/load the BFE driver:
 
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.0 on pci2
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: Could not grab register memory
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: PCI-CardBus Bridge at device 4.1 on pci2
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: cbb0: Could not grab register memory
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: device_probe_and_attach: cbb0 attach returned 12
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: fwohci0: vendor=104c, dev=802e
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: fwohci0: 1394 Open Host Controller Interface
 mem 0xe020-0xe0203fff,0xe0209000-0xe02097ff irq 10 at device 4.2 on
 pci2
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: fwohci0: Could not map memory
 Sep  6 19:51:14  kernel: device_probe_and_attach: fwohci0 attach returned 6
 
 Excerpt from pciconf:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:0: class=0x028000 card=0x00031028 chip=0x432414e4 rev=0x03
 hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Broadcom Corporation'
class= network
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0: class=0x060700 card=0x018d1028 chip=0xac8e104c rev=0x00
 hdr=0x02
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= bridge
subclass = PCI-CardBus
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:1: class=0x060700 card=0x018d1028 chip=0xac8e104c rev=0x00
 hdr=0x02
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= bridge
subclass = PCI-CardBus
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:2:class=0x0c0010 card=0x018d1028 chip=0x802e104c rev=0x00
 hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= serial bus
subclass = FireWire
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:3:class=0x018000 card=0x018d1028 chip=0xac8f104c rev=0x00
 hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Texas Instruments (TI)'
class= mass storage
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:5:0:class=0x02 card=0x018d1028 chip=0x170c14e4 rev=0x02
 hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Broadcom Corporation'
class= network
subclass = ethernet
 
 Any help is appreciated!
 
 

Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta

2004-09-06 Thread Subhro
Whats your motherboard make and BIOS version? Off late I have seen
some Phoenix BIOS incorporate something called Enhanced MEmory
Driving Signals which are necessary to make some DRAMs work
correctly.

Regards
S.


On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:01:07 -0400, JJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Pedro
 I do not understand what you mean by
 I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously, windows
 started to run again.
 What is a win boot device?
 
 Are you trying to say you reinstalled windows from scratch using the
 MS/Windows install cd?
 That you lost your old windows partition and all the data in it?
 
 Or that this win boot device thing fixed your hard drive so the
 FreeBSD operating system boot menu F1 boots your windows system and
 F2 boots your 5.3 FreeBSD system?
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of pedro
 Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:15 PM
 To: jason
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta
 
 Ok,
 
I just reinstalled the my win boot device and obviously,
 windows
 started to run again... although the horrible beep problem happens
 everytime I reboot my pc from FreeBSD (whenever I boot my pc from
 windows,
 it resets normally!). According to my motherboard manual, the beep
 sound
 matches the one that is described as no DRAM installed or detected.
As told by one of you guys here, about the LBA, I just couldn't
 find any
 option in my bios to change this... :(
I tried to load my bios default configuration (in order to clear
 whatever the FreeBSD instalation has done to it) but the problem
 remained...
Does anyone have any idea about what to do?
 
 I just got happy when I saw you answered my question,
 Thank you.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: jason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pedro n/a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:51 AM
 Subject: Re: MBR problem with FreeBSD 5.3 beta
 
  Pedro n/a wrote:
 
   In the first time I rebooted my computer, after I've finished
 the
   installation of this version, my motherboard started to beep and
 I
   didn't know what to do.
   After reseting the computer I realized that I could no longer
 boot
   my Windows. I did selected it from BootMng and it gave no
 response.
   Even though I tried to use FDISK /MBR to rewrite the MBR, all my
   effords were in vain and I couldn't start windows again.
   Recently I've reinstalled an old release version (trustworthy)
 but
   windows still unable to boot.
   Does anyone know anything that  could be helpful?
  
   Thanks in advance,
   Pedro
  
  
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  Can you boot freebsd?  What was the beep code, you mb manual will
 tell
  what it means.  Sounds like a hardware problem with the beeping.
 Try
  looking for a boot disk image online and boot windows from that.
 I have
  5.3beta3 from yesterday, no problems.
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Re: uh

2004-09-06 Thread Subhro
What is that supposed to mean? Configure as in?

Regards
S.


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RE: data backup software for freebsd

2004-09-06 Thread Ralph M. Los
  Sorry to throw this in - but does anyone have any experience with
commercial, Win32-based backup software backing up Samba shares on
FreeBSD?
  I have BackupExec running, on a tape library Win2k box, and I have my
file-server a FreeBSD 5.2.1 machine running Samba 2.2.8a.
  I'm still learning BSD so please bear with my possibly stupid
question... Why does the Win2k box always backup the full share, even
though I have differential backup selected?

Ralph


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::From: mailing lists at MacTutor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
::Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:37 PM
::To: John Lee
::Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
::Subject: Re: data backup software for freebsd
::
::
::John,
::
::By the nature of your questions I'll respond that it would not be 
::unreasonable (nor uncommon) to do this:
::
:: tar czf /usr/local/archives/etc.tar.gz -C / etc usr/local/etc
::
::where 'c' means create, 'z' means compress (using gzip), and 
::'f' is the 
::name of the archive file to write on. '-C' means change to this 
::directory before performing the archive. 'etc usr/local/etc' are the 
::directories that are to be included in the archive.
::
::I prefer to date my archives in the filename and do this (I also like 
::long options):
::
:: tar --create --verbose --gzip --directory=/ \
::   --file=/usr/local/archives/etc-2004.09.06-archive.tgz \
::   etc  /usr/local/archives/etc-2004.09.06-archive.log
::
:: tar --create --verbose --gzip --directory=/ \
::   
::--file=/usr/local/archives/usr.local.etc-2004.09.06-archive.tgz \
::   usr/local/etc  \
::   /usr/local/archives/usr.local.etc-2004.09.06-archive.log
::
::I then diff the log files against the archives as a check.
::
:: tar tzf /usr/local/archives/etc-2004.09.06-archive.tgz | \
::   diff -s - /usr/local/archives/etc-2004.09.06-archive.log
::
::U can use scp (or some ftp agent) to shoot the archives and logs to 
::your ftp server as you wish.
::
::Also, consider doing the following:
::
:: man tar
:: man gzip
:: man diff
::
::Happy Tarring,
::Alex
::
::
::On Sep 6, 2004, at 6:39 PM, John Lee wrote:
::
:: hmm, are there any popular free data backup software
:: for freebsd?
::
:: i hope to backup my /etc and important files to another server via 
:: ftp.
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AMD 64 and 4.10. will they work?

2004-09-06 Thread Ara Avvali
I have checked on site and what I can see that 5 is the one which actually
supports athlon 64 processors. But what I am wondering if there is anyway to
run it under 4.10 since we are looking for stable series. I mean is it
possible to run 4.10 under AMD64 and if it is, do I get benefit from speed
improvements over 32 bit processors or the only way to get a true 64bit is 5
series

Thank you for help

 

 

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Re: Broadcom 440x NIC not recognized on boot

2004-09-06 Thread Richard Lynch
Subhro wrote:
 Could I have a look at your whole dmesg?

http://phpbootcamp.com/articles/inspiron700m/

 Also tell us something about your other hardware. Did you try popping
 out the NIC and fixing it in another slot?

It's a Dell laptop...

I'm not unwilling to open her up and poke at it, but I'm guessing that
there isn't an extra PCI slot in there to move the NIC to...

Plus, like, the NIC is being seen it just ain't hooking up with the BFE
driver -- Or that's how I interpret the dmesg output...

Here's Dell's Tech Specs:

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_700m?c=uscs=19l=ens=dhs~tab=specstab#tabtop

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5.3 and USB keyboard

2004-09-06 Thread Ara Avvali
Hello. Is anyone else facing this problem too? 

I have tried all 3 betas so far for 5.3 and in all of them after booting the
cd and entering sysinstall, keyboard becomes dead. Actually it is no hung
since it lets you use num and caps lock and you can see light go on-off but
won't let you navigate to menus. It is a USB keyboard but no problem at all
with 4.10 and 5.2.1

It is an AMD Athlon 2500 with Asus a7v333 and Msi geforce 5200. 

Thank you

 

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Re: AMD 64 and 4.10. will they work?

2004-09-06 Thread David Syphers
On Monday 06 September 2004 08:27 pm, Ara Avvali wrote:
 I have checked on site and what I can see that 5 is the one which actually
 supports athlon 64 processors. But what I am wondering if there is anyway
 to run it under 4.10 since we are looking for stable series.

5 is almost -STABLE (it is no longer the development branch, as of a couple 
weeks ago). The 5.3 release, which will be the first 5 on the -STABLE branch, 
is due out at the beginning of October. If you want to play around with 
something before that, they're currently releasing betas of 5 and you can use 
one of those. I've been using the 5 branch for quite some time, and have 
found it quite stable (if not yet officially -STABLE). I did have a problem 
with 5.3-BETA3, but that will be fixed in BETA4.

I don't believe 4.x supports AMD64.

-David

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RE: data backup software for freebsd

2004-09-06 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Ralph M. Los wrote:
 Sorry to throw this in - but does anyone have any experience with
commercial, Win32-based backup software backing up Samba shares on
FreeBSD?
 I have BackupExec running, on a tape library Win2k box, and I have my
file-server a FreeBSD 5.2.1 machine running Samba 2.2.8a.
 I'm still learning BSD so please bear with my possibly stupid
question... Why does the Win2k box always backup the full share, even
though I have differential backup selected?
[Note: other mailing lists removed from CC list.]
One guess: you haven't configured Samba to map the Windows permission 
bits to Unix permission bits.  So the backup can't use the archive bits 
to include only files that have changed.

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Installation without PS/2 Keyboard

2004-09-06 Thread David Aquilina
Greetings, 

I've googled around to try and find a solution, but so far nothing has
worked.  I have a system here I'd like to install FreeBSD
5.2.1-RELEASE on (an AMD64 system) however it only has USB ports, no
PS/2 ports. Additionally, there's no floppy disk drive present in the
system, so the instructions in the handbook for using a serial console
won't work.  As a result of this, once the kernel actually loads and
the sysinstall program starts, the system ignores the USB keyboard.

I attempted booting from the FreeBSD installation CD, dropping to the
boot loader prompt, and setting the following variables:

hint.atkbd.0.disable=1
hint.atkbdc.0.disable=1

I've also tried disabling ACPI , and toggle-module ukbd. 

Finally, I tried the above both with USB Legacy Emulation both enabled
and disabled in the BIOS, with seemingly no effect.

Any hints? 

Thanks! 

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Re: [another me too] Re: portindex/portindexdb

2004-09-06 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi Joe,
Sigh:
Lighten up! ;-)
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/portsdb.rb:587:
[BUG] Bus Error
ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [i386-freebsd4]
Have you tried replacing the portsdb-sequence with `portindex  
portindexdb`?

So:
- cvsup (or whatever tool you use)
- portindex
- portindexdb
- portversion -vL = (or whatever switches you use)
The upside to using portindex is that it merges changes instead of 
building the entire index every time. So your first run will take quite 
some time, but your following runs will run quite a bit faster.

HTH and good luck... Nico
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mozilla java question

2004-09-06 Thread jromero

Running FreeBSD 5.2.1 with mozilla-1.7.2,2 and jdk-1.3.1p9_4 from ports.
When I start mozilla from command line I get following error:


LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[/usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so: Undefined
symbol _ZTV16nsQueryInterface]


Anybody have any ideas about how i can get java to work with this version
of mozilla???

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Re: Installation without PS/2 Keyboard

2004-09-06 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Sep 6, 2004, at 10:17 PM, David Aquilina wrote:
Finally, I tried the above both with USB Legacy Emulation both enabled
and disabled in the BIOS, with seemingly no effect.
I have an older Abit system that has PS2 ports but does not have a PS2 
keyboard plugged in, only a USB keyboard.  It has a BIOS entry 
specifically to map the USB keyboard to a PS2 keyboard equivalent which 
allowed me to run my WinNT partition (only used for some web design SW 
that I have one last active site developed in).  WinNT does not have 
USB support itself.

Try and find a specific USB keyboard BIOS entry and see if that works
Chad
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Re: Update Databases from Webserver

2004-09-06 Thread FreeBSD Mail Lists
Richard,
Thanks for your reply.  I thought there was something terribly wrong with that logic.  
So I thought I would ask in this mail list since people have been great here in the 
past about everything else I wanted to know.
Are there any security lists in relation to ecommerce that you would recommend?  So I 
can stop annoying everyone else here.  I just don't want to make anymore mistakes than 
I have to starting down this road.

Thanks again,

Troy

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From: Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon,  6 Sep 2004 17:22:54 -0600
To: FreeBSD Mail Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Update Databases from Webserver

 FreeBSD Mail Lists wrote:
  I would like to see how other people are updating backend databases
  (postgresql on FreeBSD, internal network) from a webserver (apache,php on
  FreeBSD, dmz network) through a firewall.  Pretty much what I am trying to
  learn is how to take private information (credit card numbers, etc.) and
  write it to a backend database without leaving any huge holes for hacking.
   Should this be done or am I barking up the wrong tree, should there be an
  intermediary step?  I have been trying to find information books/web that
  gives a real nuts and bolts way of trying to do this stuff and am not
  having a lot of luck.  Any pointers books or sites would be appreciated.
 
 The most common answer is Don't do that
 
 99.9% of e-commerce sites have absolutely no business storing credit
 card numbers on any hardware they own.
 
 They should simply run the transaction through their Merchant Account
 (bank)  computer using a secure connection, and the software provided by
 their Merchant Account (bank).
 
 If you need a recurring charge, you can run your charge through the
 Merchant Account as a recurring charge (whoda thunk it?) and the
 Merchant Account software will give you back a unique transaction # to
 refer to if you ever need to cancel THAT particular recurring charge.  You
 would store only that transaction number, and *NOT* the customer's credit
 card charge.
 
 In the unlikely event that you really *ARE* in the 0.01% of servers
 that needs to store credit card info...  Well, it's kinda scare that
 you're asking here, rather than a security mailing list, but here is *ONE*
 solution that may be worth considering.
 
 I am posting to the list so that others can tell us just how inadequate
 this is.
 
 You should also be aware that by no means am I an expert -- I am simply
 describing what has been described to me as the right way (tm) to do
 this.
 
 My information may be out of date.  (It's been awhile.)
 
 I chose to let the Merchant Account (bank) worry about keeping credit card
 numbers safe, rather than do all of the following.
 
 You probably should too.
 
 Depending on the current interpretation of existing laws, you, the web
 developer, may or may not be held responsible for *ANY* damages that
 result from your work -- no matter how faultless you may be in reality. 
 We're talking legalities here, not reality.
 
 Did I mention that you really shouldn't be doing this at all?  Good.
 
 
 
 First, your servers *MUST* be in a physically secure location, with access
 limited to *ONLY* people you really really really trust.
 
 No software in the world will do you any damn good if a not-so-honest
 person can waltz in and play around with the hardware!
 
 If you *CANNOT* guarantee that the hardware in question can *ONLY* be
 accessed by trusted individuals, than you should stop reading right here
 and now.
 
 This rules out shared servers, co-location (IMHO), and almost all
 corporate servers, which need too many people of limited trust value to be
 able to access them to keep them up.
 
 Next, you need a SECOND server which will be used to hold credit card
 info, and that second computer will *NOT* be connected to the Internet
 (directly)
 
 You put an extra NIC in your web-server, and run a cross-over cable to the
 SECOND server, the extra one, which will hold the credit card numbers.
 
 You limit ethernet access to that second computer which will hold credit
 cards so that *ONLY* the one computer connected to it via the cross-over
 cable will be allowed to connect.
 
 The extra NIC in the web-server and the SECOND server are both on a
 separate sub-net from everything else in your system.  IE, the only
 interface cards in your entire organization that utilize the IP address
 space in question are those two (2) NICs.
 
 You then make 100% sure that you simply cannot get to that SECOND box from
 anywhere else in the organization.
 
 What is quite well-documented is that you use SSL (and ONLY SSL) to allow
 the customer to get their credit card info to your web-server.
 
 You then write some routines to get the credit card numbers from your
 web-server through your second NIC to the second server.
 
 These routines get the fine-tooth code-review treatment, by multiple people.
 
 They should be mind-numbingly simple, clearly documented,