Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Mark A. Garcia wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Self-followup .. the server config is as follows ... did I do maybe 
mis-configure the array?

# Vinum configuration of neptune.hub.org, saved at Wed Feb  9 00:13:52 2005
drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a
drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a
drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a
drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a
volume vm
plex name vm.p0 org raid5 1024s vol vm sd name vm.p0.s0 drive d0 plex vm.p0 
len 142314496s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s
sd name vm.p0.s1 drive d1 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s 
plexoffset 1024s
sd name vm.p0.s2 drive d2 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s 
plexoffset 2048s
sd name vm.p0.s3 drive d3 plex vm.p0 len 142314496s driveoffset 265s 
plexoffset 3072s

bassed on an initial config file that looks like:
neptune# cat /root/raid5
drive d0 device /dev/da1s1a
drive d1 device /dev/da2s1a
drive d2 device /dev/da3s1a
drive d3 device /dev/da4s1a
volume vm
 plex org raid5 512k
 sd length 0 drive d0
 sd length 0 drive d1
 sd length 0 drive d2
 sd length 0 drive d3
It's worth pointing out that your performance on the raid-5 can change for 
the better if you avoid having the stripe size be a power of 2.  This is 
especially true if the (n)umber of disks are a 2^n.
I read that somewhere, but then every example shows 256k as being the 
strip size :(  Now, with a 5 drives RAID5 array (which I'll be moving that 
server to over the next couple of weeks), 256k isn't an issue?  or is 
there something better i should set it to?


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Re: single box handling multiple ips, how?

[Ken Hawkins]

Thanks,
I do not know what the 'web1.a.net.' is about, more specifically he 
.net"." (dot on the end). i took this for the initial setup that was 
done on the box' initial entry in the /etc/hosts.

ok what am i doing...
I have apache running on the box and would like to use 3 diffferent 
IP's to try and keep (somewhat separate) the traffic, logging, etc. for 
the Virtual Hosts that are running there.

ultimately I will have;
 resolve to -> website 1
 resolve to -> website 2
 resolve to -> website 3
obviously they will bind to the same box but i would like to have them 
to separate ip's to ease some maintenance on the box, redirect traffic 
when needed, blah, blah.

I know that I can Name more than one VirtualHost ie;
NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.151:80
NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.152:80
NameVirtualHost ???.???.???.153:80
and then the normal VirtualHost directive via IP's but I want to make 
sure that the box will answer to those ip's when we flip the DNS 
switch.

am i making sense? did i leave anything beyond the bind directive's out?
ken;
On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
Ken Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sorry if this is not quite the place to ask however, if it is not can
someone point me toward the right resource (on the net) for answers. I
am
running FreeBSD on a box with an ethernet;
ifconfig
em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
 options=1b
 inet ???.???.???.151 netmask 0x broadcast 
10.50.255.255
 inet6 fe80::230:48ff:fe2c:76e2%em0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
 inet ???.???.???.152 netmask 0x broadcast 10.50.1.152
 inet ???.???.???.153 netmask 0x broadcast 10.50.1.153
 ether 00:30:48:2c:76:e2
 media: Ethernet 100baseTX 
 status: active

the  are just our ips. you will notice that .152 and .153 are
aliases
and are mapped to external ips via a switch. my question is how can I
resolve names to the ip aliases on the box? ie
???.???.???.152 -> a.net
and
???.???.???.153 -> b.net
is this a /etc/hosts kind of entry?
???.???.???.152web1.a.net web1
???.???.???.152web1.a.net.
???.???.???.153web1.b.net web1
???.???.???.153web1.b.net.
any help would be greatly appreciated!
Yes, /etc/hosts will be the place to put those translations (for the
full hostnames -- you don't want the "web1.a.net." entries) if you
want that machine to know about them.  If you explained the desired end
result, we might be able to give you more help.
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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[cpghost]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:28:37AM -0800, sp0ng3b0b wrote:
> Change is good. Time to try something different. I think some folks 
> should relax and not get too upset. There are worse things going on in 
> the world...

Nope. Beastie is a way of life. I'd be quite upset if it were dropped
for whatever reason. It is so intimately tied to FreeBSD that it would
be a PR disaster if it were to be changed. NetBSD never had a real
logo, and it's their choice (though IMHO not a very good one; even a
toaster would have been better!), but changing FreeBSD's most widely
recognized brand would be just plain stupid. Imagine Linux dropping Tux
for some meanlingless, lifeless logo?

Hands off from our beloved Beastie!

> ...my 2 cents...

Regards,
-cpghost.

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Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

[Volker Kindermann]

Hi Andrew,

Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network?  If so, 
how are the Windows clients logging in?  What's the easiest mechanism 
for this.
as Hexren posted, putty is good for doing this. You can configure it so 
that the user just has to doubleclick the icon and provide the password. 
As long as the putty session is open, the rules will be active.

I have this running for my spouse.
 -volker
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Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 02:49 pm, Volker Kindermann wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> > Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network?  If
> > so, how are the Windows clients logging in?  What's the easiest
> > mechanism for this.
>
> as Hexren posted, putty is good for doing this. You can configure it
> so that the user just has to doubleclick the icon and provide the
> password. As long as the putty session is open, the rules will be
> active.
>
> I have this running for my spouse.
>
>
>   -volker

Thanks to all of you for your help.

Andrew Gould
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Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits

[Chris Shenton]

Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I'm trying to find a good website management system.  Content
>> management.  I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl
>> 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0.

> http://www.opensourcecms.com/
> I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the
> ports.  Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal
> (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia.

While I'm no expert on it, I think Plone may be the most well thought
out and fully-featured CMS out there; it also looks real nice, right
out of the box, and is fully buzzword-compliant :-). It runs on top of
Zope, so there are lots of ways to extend functionality. There are
also a bunch of add-on Products which can do all sorts of stuff, from
Wikis to PhotoAlbums.  Zope's written in Python, so it would not be
leveraging your Java and Perl stuff.  I front mine with Apache but
it's not required to do so.  Plone's in ports. There are now three
books on Plone which should help you if you want to go this way;
McKay's is available online if you want to take a look at what you can
do with plone.

http://plone.org/
http://docs.neuroinf.de/PloneBook

If you want to stay on the Java side, you could check out Jakarta
Slide, which calls itself a "low-level content management
framework". But  that does sound a bit low-level to me.

I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've
written some myself.  Probably just my own phobias.  There's another
well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called
Bricolage.  It's in Perl IIRC. 
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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[stheg olloydson]

I was not asked my opinion about whether or not the logo needs
changing. I would like to clarify the reason[s] for this.
When you say, "The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce...", the
statement implies a majority of the "FreeBSD Project" made this
decision. Who is the "FreeBSD Project"? According to the announcement,
"The FreeBSD Project is a team of individuals from all corners of the
globe who volunteer time and expertise to develop the FreeBSD operating
system." When you say "team" do you mean only core? Are those few
people the entire "Project"? You don't say that, so whether or not one
is a member depends entirely if one volunteers to "develop" FreeBSD.
The question is what does "develop" mean. Does one who donates money
and/or hardware count? No. By your definition, the Project includes
only those who supply "time and expertise" - only those that supply
their personal service. What counts as "expertise"? Programming
obviously, but what if a person produces only poor quality ports? What
about documention? Clearly the person is supplying "time and
expertise", but does that count as "developing" FreeBSD? If yes, then
what about answering questions on the mailing lists? Would that also
count?
Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement,
"This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the
religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I
have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the
question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make
any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for
complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy
on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier
between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic
country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from
an irrational minority that should be ignored.
A second point is made, "And this daemon character seems cute from
somebody's point of view, but somebody may think which does not suit
for the professional products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD
inside." The point is better phrased as, "The FreeBSD Project has
decided that the beastie logo is unprofessional." This being the case,
why does the Project think that the best way to get a "professional"
logo is follow pretty much the same procedure that led to the beastie
logo? Wouldn't a company that specializes in logo design/image
consulting be far more qualified to design and select a new logo?
Consider how much better Linux is doing in the maketplace than FreeBSD
with its professional penguin logo. I, for one, think that logo choice
is too important to be left amatuer attempts.
A third point that was not raised is what else can be done to make
FreeBSD look more professional. All "official" communication should be
vetted by and reported as coming from a native American-English
speaker. For example, from the announcement, written by Jun Kuriyama,
"And this daemon character seems cute from somebody's point of view,
but somebody may think which does not suit for the professional
products to indicate that are using the FreeBSD inside." The grammar is
abominable. How can FreeBSD possibly be taken seriously as a
professional product as long as it allows "official" communications to
come from those that can barely communicate in American-English?
Furthermore, Americans have time and again proven to be among the most
xenophobic nationalities, especially toward other races and religions.
Any communications should come from someone with an easy-to-pronounce
northern European surname (but not French) and, if at all possible, a
first name that sounds American.
I realize that at first many will find my last point to be offensive,
but I think it is just as important as changing the logo and should be
given the same consideration. 

Best Regards,

Stheg Olloydson 

P.S. Many cultures, such as the Japanese, think that "you get what you
pay for", so having the name FreeBSD is no different from being named
ShiteBSD. I am looking forward to the competition to rename the OS.


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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Albert Shih]

 Le 09/02/2005 à 16:32:42-0200, Charles-André Landemaine a écrit
> This will sign the death of FreeBSD.
> 
> How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is
> totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal
> release...!
> 
> I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans
> threaten BSD distros?
> 
> The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the
> hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be  either one,
> then it's good.
> 
> Oh please, wake me up, it's a nightmare!!!

I'm totally agree. I very don't understand why many people need to change
something like a logo.

My 1/10 cents

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what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot

[Fafa Diliha Romanova]

really, what's wrong?

i've installed freebsd 5.3 on my entire harddrive.
but with the standard or freebsd's mbr, it doesn't make any difference:

ONCE MY COMPUTER ENTERS FREEBSD IT REBOOTS INSTEAD OF BOOTING!

computer: hp compaq dc7100
harddrive: seagate barracuda 7200.7 160gb (st3160023as)

more: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/desktops/0,39023849,39164152,00.htm
  
http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/HP_Compaq_Business_Desktop_dc7100/4507-3118_16-30919191.html

i don't know what to do. i can't see what's wrong, since it won't tell
me anything. as i said, all it does is to reboot. in an infinite loop.

thanks you all,
faffa

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Mark Rowlands]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote:
> > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +, Mark Ovens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition
> >> for the new logo design. " in -advocacy - I've already replied
> >> with
> >> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments.
> >
> > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive
> > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the
> > subject you provided.
>
> Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list,
> click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts.
>
> There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject:
>
>   The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new
> logo design. 
>
> How hard was that ?
>
please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere
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Re: determine ufs2 %fragmentation on mounted filesystem

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:30:57AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:10:39AM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:34:33AM -0600, Nathan Kinkade wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of a way to determine the %fragmentation on a mounted
> > > UFS2 filesystem?  An entry showed up in messages yesterday stating that
> > > /usr has moved from time to space optimization yet the filesystem is
> > > only at about 25% of it's capacity.  From what I can read it seems that
> > > the kernel might also make this switch if fragmentation becomes
> > > excessive.  However, this is a busy production machine running Squid, so
> > > I can't conveniently umount /usr.
> > 
> > Try dumpfs(8).
> > 
> > Kris
> 
> I had already tried dumpfs, but couldn't find any information about
> actual filesystem fragmentation in the output.

Actually, I think you're right..the 'frag' reported there is the
fragment size.

Kris


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Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot

[Frank Laszlo]

Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote:
really, what's wrong?
i've installed freebsd 5.3 on my entire harddrive.
but with the standard or freebsd's mbr, it doesn't make any difference:
ONCE MY COMPUTER ENTERS FREEBSD IT REBOOTS INSTEAD OF BOOTING!
computer: hp compaq dc7100
harddrive: seagate barracuda 7200.7 160gb (st3160023as)
more: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/desktops/0,39023849,39164152,00.htm
 
http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/HP_Compaq_Business_Desktop_dc7100/4507-3118_16-30919191.html
i don't know what to do. i can't see what's wrong, since it won't tell
me anything. as i said, all it does is to reboot. in an infinite loop.
thanks you all,
faffa
 

At what point does it reboot? Have you disabled PnP aware OS in the 
BIOS? what additional hardware do you have installed? What method did 
you install FreeBSD with?

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Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot

[Erik Norgaard]

Fafa Diliha Romanova wrote:
really, what's wrong?
i've installed freebsd 5.3 on my entire harddrive.
but with the standard or freebsd's mbr, it doesn't make any difference:
i don't know what to do. i can't see what's wrong, since it won't tell
me anything. as i said, all it does is to reboot. in an infinite loop.
There is a boot-only cd that you can use for rescue purposes, (I'm not 
sure if the install cd will work also. The install cd will give you 
sysinstall so you can repeat any steps that might have failed.)

You should be able to get a shell and use the most basic commands, a 
good one is dmesg - yeah, I know it's a bit difficult to grap the output 
and paste it in your next post :-(.

Things to try: can you mount your partitions? can you find /sbin/init or 
/stand/sysinstall? Things to post: output of dmesg, your drive 
partitions, other stuff that you think is usefull.

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Re: NFS File Locking across multiple machines

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 11:33:26AM -0800, Tim Traver wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> a couple of years back, we ran into a problem with the FreeBSD NFS code 
> where file locks were not seen by other machines.
> 
> We use Netapp disk hardware to mount NFS filesystems to our FreeBSD 
> systems. In the past, two different machines would not recognize locks 
> from each other, and would sometimes cause file collisions.
> 
> From the same machine, two different processes would recognize locks 
> without a problem.
> 
> In our experience, the Sun servers that we had also did not have any 
> problems. This was after creating specific tests to make this determination.
> 
> We reported it to the freebsd developers way back when, and have lost 
> track as to the status of the issue.
> 
> Does anyone on this list know of the developer that was developing the 
> NFS code ??? or know anything about the issue ??? or have an answer ??? ;)
> 
> I'd like to talk to him/her to see what the status is in the later 
> FreeBSD 4.x series as well as 5.x

In 4.x and older rpc.lockd does not implement client-side locking.
This is documented in the manpage.  In 5.x and later rpc.lockd does do
client-side locking.

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Oliver Leitner]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:33, Mark Rowlands wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote:
> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +, Mark Ovens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >> See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition
> > >> for the new logo design. " in -advocacy - I've already replied
> > >> with
> > >> my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments.
> > >
> > > I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive
> > > link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the
> > > subject you provided.
> >
> > Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list,
> > click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts.
> >
> > There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject:
> >
> > The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new
> > logo design. 
> >
> > How hard was that ?
>
> please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere

why?
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Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot

[Frank Laszlo]

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Subject:Re: what a fucking serious problem: really, it *doesn't* boot
Date:   Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:49:32 -0500
From:   Fafa Diliha Romanova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Frank Laszlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

hello frank!
it reboots before coming to the loader prompt.
i have tried disabling acpi/udma etc. in the bios.
there are no settings for operating systems.
i installed freebsd from the miniinst cd.
i've heard of people having the same problem, but
they gave up and went to dragonfly.
now i don't want to do that.
At what point does it reboot? Have you disabled PnP aware OS in the 
BIOS? what additional hardware do you have installed? What method 
did you install FreeBSD with?

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Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed:
> Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >> I'm trying to find a good website management system.  Content
> >> management.  I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2, (perl
> >> 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0.
> 
> > http://www.opensourcecms.com/
> > I'm probably going to try a few out, since there's only a couple in the
> > ports.  Among my top candidates are Mambo, geeklog (in ports), drupal
> > (also in ports), opencms, Etomite, and Magnolia.
> 
> While I'm no expert on it, I think Plone may be the most well thought
> out and fully-featured CMS out there; it also looks real nice, right
> out of the box, and is fully buzzword-compliant :-). It runs on top of
> Zope, so there are lots of ways to extend functionality. There are
> also a bunch of add-on Products which can do all sorts of stuff, from
> Wikis to PhotoAlbums.  Zope's written in Python, so it would not be
> leveraging your Java and Perl stuff.  I front mine with Apache but
> it's not required to do so.  Plone's in ports. There are now three
> books on Plone which should help you if you want to go this way;
> McKay's is available online if you want to take a look at what you can
> do with plone.
> 
> http://plone.org/
> http://docs.neuroinf.de/PloneBook

Hmm.  Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but
since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance.

I'm not familiar with Zope at all.  Isn't it an Apache *alternative*?

> If you want to stay on the Java side, you could check out Jakarta
> Slide, which calls itself a "low-level content management
> framework". But  that does sound a bit low-level to me.

I thought the same thing.  I was thinking of trying it anyway, but I
think Magnolia and OpenCMS might be based on it - Magnolia is extremely
rich in features, and looks very clean.

> I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've
> written some myself.  Probably just my own phobias.  There's another
> well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called
> Bricolage.  It's in Perl IIRC. 

I'm with you there.  I've never written PHP, but I've written some perl
mods.  Still, I suppose I should keep an open mind with them, if only to
see if they can beat out the JSP kits.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Frank Laszlo]

Oliver Leitner wrote:
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:33, Mark Rowlands wrote:
 

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote:
   

On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote:
 

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +, Mark Ovens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
   

See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition
for the new logo design. " in -advocacy - I've already replied
with
my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments.
 

I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive
link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the
subject you provided.
   

Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list,
click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts.
There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject:
The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new
logo design. 
How hard was that ?
 

please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere
   

why?
 


This is a "Questions" list. And this is clearly not a question. Thus, it 
does not belong here, it belongs on -chat or -advocacy.

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Len Zettel]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:11 pm, Mark Ovens wrote:
> Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> > On 02/09/05 04:32 PM, Charles-André Landemaine sat at the `puter and 
typed:
> >> This will sign the death of FreeBSD.
> >>
> >> How could they believe such crap?! Who said beastie is evil?! This is
> >> totally non-sense, it's a logo, it's not the CD cover of a heavy-metal
> >> release...!
> >>
> >> I think the reasons are the same as NetBSD. Do extremist Republicans
> >> threaten BSD distros?
> >>
> >> The word "daemon" in greek means "server" (the person, not the
> >> hardware). This is neither good nor bad, if it has to be  either one,
> >> then it's good.
> >
> > Uh, not to be rude, but what the hell are you talking about?  I don't
> > remember anyone talking about changing the logo.
>
> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/announce.txt Read it and weep.
>
Seems to me there could be two separate and not necessarily
related issues here.
1) Having a contest for a new logo.
2) Adopting the contest winner as the new logo.

The occurrence of (1) does not mandate the occurrence of (2).
  -LenZ-

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Oliver Leitner]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:56, Frank Laszlo wrote:
> Oliver Leitner wrote:
> >On Wednesday 09 February 2005 22:33, Mark Rowlands wrote:
> >>On Wednesday 09 February 2005 21:06, Timothy Luoma wrote:
> >>>On Feb 9, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Chad Morland wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:48:19 +, Mark Ovens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> wrote:
> >See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition
> >for the new logo design. " in -advocacy - I've already replied
> >with
> >my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments.
> 
> I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive
> link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the
> subject you provided.
> >>>
> >>>Put "freebsd advocacy" into Google, click on the link for the list,
> >>>click on the link for the archive, and check out February's posts.
> >>>
> >>>There are a total of 4 posts listed, 3 of them with the Subject:
> >>>
> >>>   The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new
> >>>logo design. 
> >>>
> >>>How hard was that ?
> >>
> >>please take this thread elsewhere...anywhere
> >
> >why?
>
> This is a "Questions" list. And this is clearly not a question. Thus, it
> does not belong here, it belongs on -chat or -advocacy.

i think the threadstarter was asking a question, and he just put his own 
opinion to it, i think thats a good reason why it should come to this 
mailinglist, after all it fits the two major reasons, why there are 
mailinglists.

1. ppls ask questions.
2. ppls tell their opinion on things.

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[cpghost]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:56:34PM +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote:
> i think the threadstarter was asking a question, and he just put his own 
> opinion to it, i think thats a good reason why it should come to this 
> mailinglist, after all it fits the two major reasons, why there are 
> mailinglists.
> 
> 1. ppls ask questions.
> 2. ppls tell their opinion on things.

3. This point is IMHO way too important to be hidden in mailing
lists with less exposure than [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've first learned about this incredible thing from questions@, and I'm
sure a lot more people did as well. This is IMO not a point to sneak by
past community scrutiny, because it affects us all.

Regards,
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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[Brian Reichert]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:29:50PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote:
> When you say, "The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce...", the
> statement implies a majority of the "FreeBSD Project" made this
> decision. Who is the "FreeBSD Project"? According to the announcement,

Maybe I'm confused.  Acoording to the home page:

  

  "As of 2005-02-09, competition is not yet announced, and received
  0 submissions."

I'm on -announce, and saw no announcement about this competition.

Perhaps, we're reading too far into a text file that no-one was
supposed to see yet?

> Best Regards,
> 
> Stheg Olloydson 

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 02/09/05 11:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] sat at the `puter and typed:
> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 10:56:34PM +0100, Oliver Leitner wrote:
> > i think the threadstarter was asking a question, and he just put his own 
> > opinion to it, i think thats a good reason why it should come to this 
> > mailinglist, after all it fits the two major reasons, why there are 
> > mailinglists.
> > 
> > 1. ppls ask questions.
> > 2. ppls tell their opinion on things.
> 
> 3. This point is IMHO way too important to be hidden in mailing
> lists with less exposure than [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I've first learned about this incredible thing from questions@, and I'm
> sure a lot more people did as well. This is IMO not a point to sneak by
> past community scrutiny, because it affects us all.

Good point.  It's validity may be questioned here, but not by me.

For my part, I'm totally against diminishing the significance of Beastie
in any way shape or form.  Putting my money where my mouth is, I just
came from the FreeBSD Mall, where (cheapskate that I am), I bought 3
shirts and 4 bumper stickers.  And in the past, I've only ever worn or
used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those
sparingly), or a free shirt.  Hey, free is free, right?

That said, I certainly won't be moving to another OS if Beastie should
disappear.  He's not the reason I fell in love with FreeBSD.  Of course,
I'll still dig up the Beastie images where I can and put them back where
they belong.  I fully intend to keep Beastie visible in all my FreeBSD
systems.

Of course (at the risk of starting a *real* holy war), I'm a recovered
Catholic (read: "raving athiest"), so maybe my opinions and support
won't carry much weight.

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Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits

[Jay]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed:
> > Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hmm.  Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but
> since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance.
Plone is very, very nice.  

> I'm not familiar with Zope at all.  Isn't it an Apache *alternative*?
Yes and no.  Zope serves up all of its content.  It's quite common to
run Apache in front of it, though -- that way you can use all of your
Apache modules.  

Since a Zope site is totally dynamic, it usually makes sense to run some
kind of caching server in front of it.  Some people use Apache because
that's what they're familiar with/have installed/etc, etc.  If you're
not going to use any of Apache's features, squid is generally better for
that.

If you're interested, send me an email off-list, and I'll make you an
account on my Plone site so you can dink around and see what it's like.

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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 05:34:59PM -0500, Brian Reichert wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 01:29:50PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote:
> > When you say, "The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce...", the
> > statement implies a majority of the "FreeBSD Project" made this
> > decision. Who is the "FreeBSD Project"? According to the announcement,
> 
> Maybe I'm confused.  Acoording to the home page:
> 
>   
> 
>   "As of 2005-02-09, competition is not yet announced, and received
>   0 submissions."
> 
> I'm on -announce, and saw no announcement about this competition.
> 
> Perhaps, we're reading too far into a text file that no-one was
> supposed to see yet?

Yes.  Some committer must have leaked the information, and it
apparently sent everyone into a panic.

Calm down, folks :)

Kris


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RE: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits

[Thomas Doxtater]

On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed:
> Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> I'm trying to find a good website management system.  Content
> >> management.  I'm running Apache 2.0 with (among others) mod_perl2,
(perl
> >> 5.8.6) and Jakarta Tomcat 5.0.
>
...
> I'm not generally keen on large Perl and PHP suites, even though I've
> written some myself.  Probably just my own phobias.  There's another
> well-featured CMS I've read about -- but haven't played with -- called
> Bricolage.  It's in Perl IIRC.

As a one-time php developer I'm fond of phpWebSite by Appalachian State
University. Lots of features, works great on apache 1.3x or 2 and has an API
for module creation.
I've spent hours looking at CMS's testing them and as far as I know this is
one of the easiest to implement and control, with the features I was looking
for (calendar, wysiwyg editor, fine grained user control, extensibility,
etc.)

My other reccomendation would be Typo3 CMS, but its a behemoth of a program
(script). It DOES everything, but its fairly intense to set up and get
going. Its also a php script, and it does have some excellent tutorials and
a fairly active user support base.

Just my 2 cents,

-Thomas

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Re: jail manpage

[Josh Paetzel]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 14:32, pete wright wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine. 
> > I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail
> >
> > D=/here/is/the/jail
> > cd /usr/src
> > mkdir -p $D
> > make world DESTDIR=$D
> > cd etc
> > make distribution DESTDIR=$D
> > mount_devfs devfs $D/dev
> > cd $D
> > ln -sf dev/null kernel
> >
> > It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error:
> >
> > cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include
> > c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
> >
> > make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop
> > ***Error code 2
> > Stopping /usr/src
>
> couple things, I have this process scripted pretty much the same
> way you have mentioned here with no problems.  have you cvsup'd
> your source tree recenetly...also are you able to do a normal
> buildworld?
>

I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p2 but just for kicks I rm -rf'd /usr/src 
and /usr/obj and did:

cvsup to RELENG_5_3


make buildworld
make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL buildkernel
make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL installkernel
reboot
make installworld
reboot

Now I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p5

Trying the steps outlined in man 8 jail gives me the exact same error 
that I started with.

> > Surprisingly I found a post to -questions that has the exact same
> > error using the same commands that I did.  The thread never does
> > make clear as to whether the poster got it working.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> this link does not work

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2806914+2810640+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050116.freebsd-questions

Sorry about that.  

>
>
> =pete

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Re: maybe slightly OT - web content management kits

[Chris Hodgins]

Jay wrote:
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:56:01PM -0500, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
On 02/09/05 04:07 PM, Chris Shenton sat at the `puter and typed:
Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hmm.  Plone didn't exactly rise to the top at opensourcecms.org, but
since you saw fit to plug it, I'll give it a chance.
Plone is very, very nice.  


I'm not familiar with Zope at all.  Isn't it an Apache *alternative*?
Yes and no.  Zope serves up all of its content.  It's quite common to
run Apache in front of it, though -- that way you can use all of your
Apache modules.  

Since a Zope site is totally dynamic, it usually makes sense to run some
kind of caching server in front of it.  Some people use Apache because
that's what they're familiar with/have installed/etc, etc.  If you're
not going to use any of Apache's features, squid is generally better for
that.
If you're interested, send me an email off-list, and I'll make you an
account on my Plone site so you can dink around and see what it's like.
I am in the process of looking at zope for a base to a couple of 
websites I will be creating.  One of the sites will be providing 
services to around 500+ users.  Being quite unfamiliar of the 
development side of zope (I have used plone as a user but that is about 
it) I was wondering if anyone had any ideas what is the best way to go 
about hosting something like that.  Is virtual/co-/dedicated hosting the 
way to go?  Is one server enough?  I have looked into a package called 
zeo as well that provides a horizontally scalable solution for zope so I 
am hoping to be able to add servers as required should the load increase.

Any help would be much appreciated. :)
Chris
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Re: jail manpage

[pete wright]

> 
> I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p2 but just for kicks I rm -rf'd /usr/src
> and /usr/obj and did:

gerneally cvsup'ing /usr/src is enough (don't want to stress the cvsup
servers too much if you can avoid it)

> 
> cvsup to RELENG_5_3
> 
> make buildworld
> make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL buildkernel
> make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL installkernel
> reboot
> make installworld
> reboot

missed a step, did you mergemaster -p and mergemaster?

> 
> Now I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p5
> 
> Trying the steps outlined in man 8 jail gives me the exact same error
> that I started with.
> 
i'm runnig my buildjail script right now to make sure things are still
ok...if i find i problem i'll post back to list...


> > this link does not work
> 
>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2806914+2810640+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050116.freebsd-questions

heh thanks thought i've remembered this issue before...
> 
> Sorry about that.
> 
NP

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RE: SPAM: Score 2.5: Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[Johnson David]

From: stheg olloydson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Now as to the "need" to change the logo, to quote the announcement,
> "This character sometimes treated with misinterpreted in the
> religious and cultural context." Over the years, the only complaints I
> have ever heard have come from America's Taliban. Leaving aside the
> question of whether or not the complainers are in a position to make
> any sort of IT decision, one must ask what is their motivation for
> complaining. They are simply trying to force their religious orthodoxy
> on others. These are the same people trying to eliminate the barrier
> between state and church to make the United States into a theocratic
> country. Therefore, these complaints can be categorized as coming from
> an irrational minority that should be ignored.

Please keep your personal politics and cultural bigotry off of these lists.
There is no "America's Taliban", and the use of the term is used solely to
incite emotions. Thinking that just because people share you views on
operating systems they must also share you views on religion and foreign
policy is sheer hubris.

I realize that geeks and hackers tend to be irreligious, and Open Source a
collection of global communities, but not until today have I seen such
anti-Christian and anti-America bigotry in the FreeBSD community. Is this to
be the new standard of discourse? If so, tell me now so I can avoid the rush
in switching to another BSD.

As a Christian I am not in the least offended by Beastie. But I am getting
quite offended by people stereotyping my religion, nation and culture.

David Johnson
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Re: dell poweredge servers

[Skylar Thompson]

On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 05:00:54PM -0700, David Bear wrote:
> I was looking at the support hardware list for Fbsd 5.x and could find
> no mention of the PERC3-DI scsi controller.. so I was wondering if
> anyone has used a dell poweredge 2650, and what your experience was
> running Freebsd 4.X and 5.x on it.

We're running a PE2650 with a PERC 3/Di and it works beautifully. I would
highly recommend the system for FreeBSD.

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Re: jail manpage

[Josh Paetzel]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 17:20, pete wright wrote:
> > I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p2 but just for kicks I rm -rf'd /usr/src
> > and /usr/obj and did:
>
> gerneally cvsup'ing /usr/src is enough (don't want to stress the
> cvsup servers too much if you can avoid it)

It's my own private cvsup server...I don't think I'll mind.  ;)


> > cvsup to RELENG_5_3
> >
> > make buildworld
> > make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL buildkernel
> > make KERNCONF=MYKERNEL installkernel
> > reboot
> > make installworld
> > reboot
>
> missed a step, did you mergemaster -p and mergemaster?
>

No...I have no use for mergemaster, it's bit me in the ass a few too 
many times.  If there are any changes needed I merge them in by hand.  

> > Now I'm running 5.3-RELEASE-p5
> >
> > Trying the steps outlined in man 8 jail gives me the exact same
> > error that I started with.
>
> i'm runnig my buildjail script right now to make sure things are
> still ok...if i find i problem i'll post back to list...
>
> > > this link does not work
> >
> >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=2806914+2810640+/usr/l
> >ocal/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050116.freebsd-questions
>
> heh thanks thought i've remembered this issue before...
>
> > Sorry about that.
>
> NP
>
> -p

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Re: jail manpage

[pete wright]

> > i'm runnig my buildjail script right now to make sure things are
> > still ok...if i find i problem i'll post back to list...
> >

ok I just ran a:
$  sudo make -j2 world DESTDIR=/usr/local/jails/dev/

on a 5.3-STABLE box with no problems.  not really sure what is going
wrong here...i assume there are no tweaks to your /etc/make.conf file
(does not look like you are even using -O2 which may cause problems.)

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FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance

[Matt Olander]

hey gang,

We've got a customer that is considering a network expansion while moving
from Linux to FreeBSD.

They are big users of MySQL and have been running it on Linux.

Most of the information that I've found is a bit old, but I guess my
question is if LinuxThreads should still be used or if MySQL works well
under FreeBSD using native threads.

The customer has looked at Jeremy's blog article on this issue, but this is
pretty old:
http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000697.html

Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched the
mailing lists but didn't turn up anything.

The customer is looking for some kind of validation that he'll be safe
running his database on FreeBSD.

thanks,
-matt


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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance

[Jeremy C. Reed]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Matt Olander wrote:

> Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched the
> mailing lists but didn't turn up anything.

This was posted to some NetBSD lists today:

http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/1243207&from=rss

This "Comparing MySQL performance" article includes FreeBSD 5.3
(linuxthreads and KSE), FreeBSD 4.11 (linuxthreads), OpenBSD 3.6, NetBSD
2.0, Solaris 10, Linux 2.4 and 2.6 (Gentoo)


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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance

[Matt Olander]

On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote:
> > Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched
> > the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything.
> 
> There was an article posted to Newsforge today about benchmarking
> MySQL on different operating systems.

oh! thanks...but according to this article, Linux outperformed FreeBSD
in every metric shown :-(

is that accurate?

> > The customer is looking for some kind of validation that he'll be
> > safe running his database on FreeBSD.
> 
> I don't usually look at benchmarks when wondering if my databases are
> 'safe'.

Perhaps you misunderstood or I fired that email off to quickly. In
addition to benchmarks, he's also looking for anything to show that
he won't be a pioneer in using large MySQL databases on FreeBSD.

In other words, I'd love to point this customer to FreeBSD if it makes
sense for them. any help appreciated!

thanks!
-matt

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99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?)

[Marc G. Fournier]

still getting this:
# vmstat 5
 procs  memory  pagedisks faults  cpu
 r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs us sy id
11 2 0 3020036 267944  505   2   1   1 680  62   0   0  515 4005 918  7 38 55
19 2 0 3004568 268672  242   0   0   0 277   0   0   3  338 2767 690  1 99  0
21 2 0 2999152 271240  135   0   0   0 306   0   6   9  363 1749 525  1 99  0
13 2 0 3001508 269692   87   0   0   0  24   0   3   3  302 1524 285  1 99  0
17 2 0 3025892 268612   98   0   1   0  66   0   5   6  312 1523 479  3 97  0
Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time?  stuff 
like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no?  I've got 
some high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be shooting up 
the 'user time' ...

USER PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED  TIME COMMAND
setiathome 21338 16.3  0.2  7888 7408  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:11.35 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
setiathome 21380 15.1  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.42 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-sql -P10 
-p10
setiathome 21384 15.5  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.31 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-docs -P10 
-p10
setiathome 21389 15.0  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.06 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-hackers 
-P10 -p10
setiathome 21386 13.7  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.03 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l pgsql-ports 
-P10 -p10
setiathome 21387 13.2  0.1  2724 2220  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.92 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10
setiathome 21390 14.6  0.1  2724 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.93 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-performance -P10 -p10
setiathome 21330 12.0  0.2  8492 7852  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:15.55 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5)
setiathome  7864  8.9  0.2  8912 8452  ??  RJ7:20PM  29:54.88 /usr/bin/perl 
-wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly
Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being used? 
Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows?

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value,
that I could use in a script?  I know vmstat reports it, but is there an
easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that
already does it?
vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following:
vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}'
To print out the 15th field of vmstat.  Now if you want vmstat to keep
running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated:
vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}'
Thanks ...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote:
Details on the array's performance, I think.  Software RAID5 will
definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that
problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read
rates.  From this output, however:
systat -v output help:
   4 usersLoad  4.64  5.58  5.77

Proc:r  p  d  s  wCsw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt
   24 9282   949 8414*  678  349 8198

54.6%Sys   0.2%Intr 45.2%User  0.0%Nice  0.0%Idl

Disks   da0   da1   da2   da3   da4 pass0 pass1
KB/t   5.32  9.50 12.52 16.00  9.00  0.00  0.00
tps  23 2 4 3 1 0 0
MB/s   0.12  0.01  0.05  0.04  0.01  0.00  0.00
% busy3 1 1 1 0 0 0
, it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all.  You are doing
over 9 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high.  The 50% Sys
doesn't look good either.  You may have a runaway process doing some
syscall over and over.  If this is not an MPSAFE syscall (see
/sys/kern/syscalls.master ), it will also prevent other processes from
making non-MPSAFE syscalls, and in 4.x that's most of them.
Wow, that actually pointed me in the right direction, I think ... I just
killed an http process that was using alot of CPU, and syscalls drop'd
down to a numeric value again ... I'm still curious as to why this only
seem sto affect my Dual-Xeon box though :(
Thanks ...

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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[-]

http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html
Julien Gabel wrote:
See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition
for the new logo design. " in -advocacy - I've already replied with
my views on the subject, along the same lines as your comments.
 

 

I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive
link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on the
subject you provided.
   

You can follow this post at:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/
 

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Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?)

[Marc G. Fournier]

Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon ysystem 
... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, running more, 
but on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time:

# vmstat 5
 procs  memory  pagedisks faults  cpu
 r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs us sy id
20 1 0 4088636 219556 1664   1   2   1 3058 217   0   0  856 7937 2186 51 15 34
20 1 0 4115372 224220  472   0   0   0 2066   0   0  35  496 2915 745  7  7 86
10 1 0 4125252 221788  916   0   0   0 2513   0   2  71  798 4821 1538  6 11 83
 9 1 0   36508 228452  534   0   0   2 2187   0   0  46  554 3384 1027  3  8 89
11 1 0   27672 218828  623   0   6   0 2337   0   0  61  583 2607 679  3  9 88
16 1 05776 220540  989   0   0   0 2393   0   9  32  514 3247 1115  3  8 90
Which leads me further to believe this is a Dual-Xeon problem, and much 
further away from believing it has anything to do with software RAID :(

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
still getting this:
# vmstat 5
procs  memory  pagedisks faults  cpu
r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs us sy id
11 2 0 3020036 267944  505   2   1   1 680  62   0   0  515 4005 918  7 38 55
19 2 0 3004568 268672  242   0   0   0 277   0   0   3  338 2767 690  1 99  0
21 2 0 2999152 271240  135   0   0   0 306   0   6   9  363 1749 525  1 99  0
13 2 0 3001508 269692   87   0   0   0  24   0   3   3  302 1524 285  1 99  0
17 2 0 3025892 268612   98   0   1   0  66   0   5   6  312 1523 479  3 97  0
Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time?  stuff 
like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no?  I've got some 
high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be shooting up the 'user 
time' ...

USER PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED  TIME COMMAND
setiathome 21338 16.3  0.2  7888 7408  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:11.35 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
setiathome 21380 15.1  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.42 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-sql -P10 -p10
setiathome 21384 15.5  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.31 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-docs -P10 -p10
setiathome 21389 15.0  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.06 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10
setiathome 21386 13.7  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.03 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-ports -P10 -p10
setiathome 21387 13.2  0.1  2724 2220  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.92 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10
setiathome 21390 14.6  0.1  2724 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.93 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d postgresql.org -l 
pgsql-performance -P10 -p10
setiathome 21330 12.0  0.2  8492 7852  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:15.55 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5)
setiathome  7864  8.9  0.2  8912 8452  ??  RJ7:20PM  29:54.88 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly

Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being used? 
Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows?

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value,
that I could use in a script?  I know vmstat reports it, but is there an
easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that
already does it?
vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following:
vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}'
To print out the 15th field of vmstat.  Now if you want vmstat to keep
running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated:
vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}'
Thanks ...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote:
Details on the array's performance, I think.  Software RAID5 will
definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that
problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read
rates.  From this output, however:
systat -v output help:
   4 usersLoad  4.64  5.58  5.77

Proc:r  p  d  s  wCsw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt
   24 9282   949 8414*  678  349 8198

54.6%Sys   0.2%Intr 45.2%User  0.0%Nice  0.0%Idl

Disks   da0   da1   da2   da3   da4 pass0 pass1
KB/t   5.32  9.50 12.52 16.00  9.00  0.00  0.00
tps  23 2 4 3 1 0 0
MB/s   0.12  0.01  0.05  0.04  0.01  0.00  0.00
% busy3 1 1 1 0 0 0
, it looks like your disks aren't being touched at all.  You are doing
over 9 syscalls/second, though, which is mighty high.  The 50% Sys
do

Dual-Xeon vs Dual-PIII ... Dual-PIII actually better?

[Marc G. Fournier]

I've had a discussion going on talking about performance issues of one of 
my servers, and right now the only thing that I've got to "work with" is 
the difference in CPUs ... I had started it off thinking it was a software 
RAID issue, but looking at my Dual-PIII, its not exhibiting near as much 
load, and the only difference between the  two configs is drive sizes 
(Dual-PIII has 36G Seagate Drives, the Dual-Xeon has 73G ones) and the 
CPUs ... even the operating system is within days of each other, so either 
I hit a bad 'cvsup day' for the Dual-Xeon, or I'm missing something as far 
as Dual-Xeon's is concerned ...

vmstat 5 on both machines shows >50% idle CPUs on the Dual-PIII, while the 
Dual-Xeon shows >90% system busy ... if it were vinum related, I'd expect 
that they would both be about as busy on the system side ...

First question ... is there some way of getting 'finer' data on system 
usage?  What is using up 99% of the %CPU, when it happens?  syscalls/sec 
don't seem to 'jump' much when that happens, hovering around the same on 
both servers (between 2k and 4k / sec ...

I'm going to be doing an OS upgrade on that machine over the next couple 
of days, to see if maybe I did just get a 'bad kernel', but if someone can 
suggest something that I can monitor/look at to determine where the sys 
cpu is being sucked up, that would be appreciated ...

thanks 


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Re: Boot problem with SATA

[Derrick Ryalls]

> I've problem with booting my PC. The hardward is (something like)
> 
> AMD FX 55
> Two SATA disk with Nvidia NForce 3 for raid
> One disk IDE.
> 
> The Two SATA disk is for WinXP
> 
> I want install some real OS in the IDE disk, but the problem is I don't
> know how I can choose boot device. When I proceed normaly (like the 100
> times I've to do) I boot on IDE disk (via the BIOS) I've F1..F5 and when I
> press F1 everthing work fine I boot my FreeBSD, but when I press F5i
> boot my FreeBSD too.
> 
> Anyone have some solution ?
> 

I recommend using the GAG boot loader.   It knows about BSDs/Windows.
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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,
stheg olloydson wrote:
Any communications should come from someone with an easy-to-pronounce
northern European surname (but not French) and, if at all possible, a
first name that sounds American.
Can I suggest Mark from a lovely town in Austria?
www.fucking.at
This is the next kind of problems FreeBSD could face. Using words which 
have a very different meaning in some other language.

I think it is absolutely not possible to cater for all those things.
Just leave the logo as it is.
Erich
PS
My name would meet Sthegs suggestion and people would still not be able 
to pronounce it properly
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Re: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance

[Joe Kelsey]

On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 16:44 -0800, Matt Olander wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote:
> > > Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I searched
> > > the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything.
> > 
> > There was an article posted to Newsforge today about benchmarking
> > MySQL on different operating systems.
> 
> oh! thanks...but according to this article, Linux outperformed FreeBSD
> in every metric shown :-(
> 
> is that accurate?

LinuxThreads is the WORST implementation of threading that anyone can
imagine.  Do not ever use Linux or the horrid LinuxThreads for anything
that you want to save.

Any so-called "benchmark" comparing Linux to anything else (especially
windoze) has been polluted by the tradition in the linux/windoze world
of running their disks in the completely unsafe "asynchronous" mode so
popular with the ATA disk drive manufacturers.  This method means that
you never actually know whether or not the drive ever writes your data
on the disk.  It could just sit in the cache waiting for a power failure
so that you lose everything.  This "async" mode means that the
benchmarks "look" fast but are completely unsafe.

> > > The customer is looking for some kind of validation that he'll be
> > > safe running his database on FreeBSD.
> > 
> > I don't usually look at benchmarks when wondering if my databases are
> > 'safe'.
> 
> Perhaps you misunderstood or I fired that email off to quickly. In
> addition to benchmarks, he's also looking for anything to show that
> he won't be a pioneer in using large MySQL databases on FreeBSD.
> 
> In other words, I'd love to point this customer to FreeBSD if it makes
> sense for them. any help appreciated!

Many companies have used FreeBSD and MySQL for years and years.  There
is no reason to not jump to FreeBSD and start using MySQL.  At my last
job, we ran very large MySQL databases on FreeBSD.  For speed we used
15,000 RPM SCSI-3 disk drives.  This gives you all the speed you need
with the guaranteed safety of FreeBSD.  Of course, SCSI-3 15,000 RPM
drives are more expensive than those wimpy ATA drives.

Go to FreeBSD.  Leave that unsafe Linux crap in the dust.

/Joe


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Re: configuracion en la red

[Martin Paredes]

Gustavo:

Esta es una lista en ingles, si se te dificulta el ingles, existe una lista 
que se escribe en español : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 05:10, Gustavo Granados wrote:
> como se configura en la red ?

Tu pregunta es algo ambigua, ya que no dices que es lo que has realizado, pero 
en pocas palabras, lo que tienes que hacer es saber que marca y modelo de 
tarjeta tienes y si la soporta FreeBSD.

Usa el comando "dmesg | grep thernet" para saber si FreeBSD reconocio una 
tarjeta ethernet.

usa el comando "ifconfig" para ver la configuracion de tu red.

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comandos anteriores.

>
> Gracias
> Gustavo
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Error 29: Disk write error while installing GRUB

[Leonidas Tsampros]

Hello,
I succesfully installed the grub port. I'm using 5.3-STABLE
and i tried to install grub as my boot manager. I'm currently using
windows,linux and freebsd.

My hard disk configuration is the following:
ad0s1 : my windows partition (ntfs)
ad0s2 : my linux partition (ext2)
ad1s1a : freebsd's root slice

I wanted to install grub in the mbr of the first disk.
Firstly, I copied all thefiles residing in
/usr/local/share/grub/i386-freebsd in /boot/grub

In order to achieve that i used the following configuration file in
/boot/grub/menu.lst :
---
default=saved
timeout=10

#Boot Freebsd
title Freebsd5.3
root(hd1,0,a)
kernel /boot/loader 
makeactive
savedefault

#Boot Windows XP
title WindowsXP
root(hd0,0)
makeactive 
chainloader +1
savedefault

#Boot Linux
title Linux2.4
root(hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=LABEL=/ hdb=ide-scsi
makeactive
savedefault
---



After that, i ran as _root_ the grub cli and entered the following
commands:

grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
 (hd1,0,a)

grub> root (hd1,0,a)
 Filesystem type is ufs2, partition type 0xa5

grub> setup (hd0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /boot/grub/ufs2_stage1_5 (hd0)"...  15 sectors are embedded.
succeeded
 Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) (hd0)1+15 p 
(hd1,0,a)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... failed

Error 29: Disk write error
---


As you can easily point out, there is a failure in the last part of
the installation. Are there any suggestions about it ?

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Re: port source list from www.freebsd.org

[Martin Paredes]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 00:02, Vikash Badal wrote:
> Greetings,
>
>  <><><>I have looked at the following url :
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/pds.cgi?ports/www/squid
>
> <>and the sources are no longer listed, is this the default or is there
> a problem with the pages
>
> I have tried several different ports and all produce the same result:
>
>   <>Sorry, did not find the sources for ports/category/portname  <>
>

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=%5Esquid&stype=all

> Thanks
>
> vikash
>
>
>
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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Andrew L. Gould]

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:09 pm, - wrote:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html
>
> Julien Gabel wrote:
> >>>See the thread "The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public
> >>> competition for the new logo design. " in -advocacy - I've
> >>> already replied with my views on the subject, along the same
> >>> lines as your comments.
> >>
> >>I'm not subscribed to -advocacy can you provide me with an archive
> >>link to this thread in question? I wasn't able to find it based on
> >> the subject you provided.
> >
> >You can follow this post at:
> >  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2005-February/

I have been watching the fallout regarding this issue on both the 
advocacy and questions email lists.  It is clear from the advocacy 
list, that the announcement was made prematurely and did not convey the 
intended message either clearly or completely.  It is clear from 
reading both lists that much of the anger is based upon false 
assumptions, misinformation and incomplete editing of the leaked 
document.

I (just a user) ask that the petition effort be delayed until the 
official announcement is made and the issues can be drawn out and 
discussed more clearly.

Humbly and respectfully,

Andrew Gould
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Apache + modssl + mod_php4 +++

[Olivier Nicole]

Hi,

I am loston the procedure to install php4 with some extension and
apache 1.3 with modssl and mod_php4.

I found in the ports:

lang/php4
lang/php4-extension
www/mod_php4
www/apache13-modssl

There must be a specific order to build/install these, but i cannot
figure it out.

TIA

olivier
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Re: FreeBSD logo design competition

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005, stheg olloydson wrote:

> P.S. Many cultures, such as the Japanese, think that "you get what you
> pay for", so having the name FreeBSD is no different from being named
> ShiteBSD. I am looking forward to the competition to rename the OS.

The name also has to be changed:

Free: for free - what are about the people in jail using FreeBSD
re: for re - what about all the "contra" and "bock"
B: countrycode for Belgium - what do people living in luxemburg think
SD: for South Dakota or Sudan - what do the people in North Dakota think?


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Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
And in the past, I've only ever worn or
used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those
sparingly), or a free shirt.  Hey, free is free, right?
What, no Celtics?
I will admit to having bought lots of Apple shirts and a Celtics shirt. 
 The rest of my logos shirts are of the free sort I pick up at 
conferences and from vendors :-)

As regards the thread topic.
I think the poster who mentioned that a logo and a mascot are not 
necessarily the same.  That is a valid point.  I think it would be bad 
if "Beastie" were to disappear. But there is an advantage to having a 
more "business like" logo in addition to the mascot for those times 
when such things as "Beastie" might be imprudent.

Chad
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Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?)

[Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC]

On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon 
ysystem ... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, 
running more, but on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time:

# vmstat 5
 procs  memory  pagedisks faults  
cpu
 r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs 
us sy id
20 1 0 4088636 219556 1664   1   2   1 3058 217   0   0  856 7937 2186 
51 15 34
20 1 0 4115372 224220  472   0   0   0 2066   0   0  35  496 2915 745  
7  7 86
10 1 0 4125252 221788  916   0   0   0 2513   0   2  71  798 4821 1538 
 6 11 83
 9 1 0   36508 228452  534   0   0   2 2187   0   0  46  554 3384 1027 
 3  8 89
11 1 0   27672 218828  623   0   6   0 2337   0   0  61  583 2607 679  
3  9 88
16 1 05776 220540  989   0   0   0 2393   0   9  32  514 3247 1115 
 3  8 90

Which leads me further to believe this is a Dual-Xeon problem, and 
much further away from believing it has anything to do with software 
RAID :(
I only use AMD, so I cannot provide specifics, but look in the BIOS at 
boot time and see if there is anything strange looking in the settings.

Chad

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
still getting this:
# vmstat 5
procs  memory  pagedisks faults  
cpu
r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs 
us sy id
11 2 0 3020036 267944  505   2   1   1 680  62   0   0  515 4005 918  
7 38 55
19 2 0 3004568 268672  242   0   0   0 277   0   0   3  338 2767 690  
1 99  0
21 2 0 2999152 271240  135   0   0   0 306   0   6   9  363 1749 525  
1 99  0
13 2 0 3001508 269692   87   0   0   0  24   0   3   3  302 1524 285  
1 99  0
17 2 0 3025892 268612   98   0   1   0  66   0   5   6  312 1523 479  
3 97  0

Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time?  
stuff like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no?  
I've got some high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be 
shooting up the 'user time' ...

USER PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED  TIME 
COMMAND
setiathome 21338 16.3  0.2  7888 7408  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:11.35 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
setiathome 21380 15.1  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.42 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d 
postgresql.org -l pgsql-sql -P10 -p10
setiathome 21384 15.5  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.31 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d 
postgresql.org -l pgsql-docs -P10 -p10
setiathome 21389 15.0  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.06 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d 
postgresql.org -l pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10
setiathome 21386 13.7  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.03 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d 
postgresql.org -l pgsql-ports -P10 -p10
setiathome 21387 13.2  0.1  2724 2220  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.92 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d 
postgresql.org -l pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10
setiathome 21390 14.6  0.1  2724 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.93 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d 
postgresql.org -l pgsql-performance -P10 -p10
setiathome 21330 12.0  0.2  8492 7852  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:15.55 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5)
setiathome  7864  8.9  0.2  8912 8452  ??  RJ7:20PM  29:54.88 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly

Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being 
used? Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows?

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec 
value,
that I could use in a script?  I know vmstat reports it, but is 
there an
easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that
already does it?
vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following:
vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}'
To print out the 15th field of vmstat.  Now if you want vmstat to 
keep
running every five seconds or something, it's a little more 
complicated:
vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}'
Thanks ...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote:
Details on the array's performance, I think.  Software RAID5 will
definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that
problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read
rates.  From this output, however:
systat -v output help:
   4 usersLoad  4.64  5.58  5.77
Proc:r  p  d  s  wCsw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt
   24 9282   949 8414*  678  349 8198
54.6%Sys   0.2%Intr 45.2%User  0.0%Nice  0.0%Idl
Disks   da0   da1   da2   da3   da4 pass0 pass1
KB/t   5.32  9.50 12.52 16.00  9.00  0.00  0.00
tps  23 2 4 3 1 0 0
MB/s   0.12  0.01 

Re: sendmail issue

[saravanan ganapathy]

--- Emanuel Strobl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 16:15 schrieb saravanan
> ganapathy:
> > Hai ,
> >
> > I am using 5.3 release with updated all the ports.
> >
> > I am facing a problem with sendmail.
> >
> > # pkg_info | grep sendmail
> > sendmail-8.13.3 Reliable,
> > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/sendmail.sh start
> > # netstat -an | grep 25
> > tcp60  0  *.25 *.* LISTEN
> > tcp40  0  *.25 *.* LISTEN
> > # telnet 127.0.0.1 25
> > Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > Connected to localhost.
> > Escape character is '^]'
> > 220 ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1;
> >
> > It works fine. But I also found that another
> sendmail
> > which is in /etc/rc.d/sendmail
> 
> Sendmail is part of the FreeBSD base system. I don't
> know if the prot disables 
> the base sendmail, you can always add
> 'sendmail_enable="NONE"' to 
> your /etc/rc.conf.
> 
> -Harry


How to uninstall the sendmail which comes in the base
system?

How to know what are all the packages are comes by
default in the base system?


Sarav 



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Re: Apache + modssl + mod_php4 +++

[Jay]

On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 11:23:54AM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote:
> I found in the ports:
> 
> lang/php4
> lang/php4-extension
> www/mod_php4
> www/apache13-modssl
> 
> There must be a specific order to build/install these, but i cannot
> figure it out.

I'm not a php guy, so this is an educated guess.  Install
lang/php4-extension...that will pull in php4 -- and, looking at the
Makefile, a bunch of other things.  

OK, php4 can pull in Apache.  You want to install apache13-modssl.

I'd install apache, then install php4-extensions, then install mod_php4.

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Re: 99% CPU usage in System (Was: Re: vinum in 4.x poor performer?)

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Most odd, there definitely has to be a problem with the Dual-Xeon ysystem 
... doing the same vmstat on my other vinum based system, running more, but 
on a Dual-PIII shows major idle time:

# vmstat 5
 procs  memory  pagedisks faults  cpu
 r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs us sy 
id
20 1 0 4088636 219556 1664   1   2   1 3058 217   0   0  856 7937 2186 51 
15 34
20 1 0 4115372 224220  472   0   0   0 2066   0   0  35  496 2915 745  7  7 
86
10 1 0 4125252 221788  916   0   0   0 2513   0   2  71  798 4821 1538  6 
11 83
 9 1 0   36508 228452  534   0   0   2 2187   0   0  46  554 3384 1027  3 
8 89
11 1 0   27672 218828  623   0   6   0 2337   0   0  61  583 2607 679  3  9 
88
16 1 05776 220540  989   0   0   0 2393   0   9  32  514 3247 1115  3 
8 90

Which leads me further to believe this is a Dual-Xeon problem, and much 
further away from believing it has anything to do with software RAID :(
I only use AMD, so I cannot provide specifics, but look in the BIOS at boot 
time and see if there is anything strange looking in the settings.
Unfortunately, I'm dealing with remote servers, so without something 
specific to get a remote tech to check, BIOS related stuff will have to 
wait until I can visit the servers persoally :(

Chad

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
still getting this:
# vmstat 5
procs  memory  pagedisks faults  cpu
r b w avmfre  flt  re  pi  po  fr  sr da0 da1   in   sy  cs us sy 
id
11 2 0 3020036 267944  505   2   1   1 680  62   0   0  515 4005 918  7 38 
55
19 2 0 3004568 268672  242   0   0   0 277   0   0   3  338 2767 690  1 99 
0
21 2 0 2999152 271240  135   0   0   0 306   0   6   9  363 1749 525  1 99 
0
13 2 0 3001508 269692   87   0   0   0  24   0   3   3  302 1524 285  1 99 
0
17 2 0 3025892 268612   98   0   1   0  66   0   5   6  312 1523 479  3 97 
0

Is there a way of determining what is sucking up so much Sys time?  stuff 
like pperl scripts running and such would use 'user time', no?  I've got 
some high CPU processes running, but would expect them to be shooting up 
the 'user time' ...

USER PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED  TIME COMMAND
setiathome 21338 16.3  0.2  7888 7408  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:11.35 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_queuerun -v 0
setiathome 21380 15.1  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.42 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org 
-l pgsql-sql -P10 -p10
setiathome 21384 15.5  0.1  2988 2484  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.31 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org 
-l pgsql-docs -P10 -p10
setiathome 21389 15.0  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.06 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org 
-l pgsql-hackers -P10 -p10
setiathome 21386 13.7  0.1  2720 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:02.03 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org 
-l pgsql-ports -P10 -p10
setiathome 21387 13.2  0.1  2724 2220  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.92 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -r -d postgresql.org 
-l pgsql-interfaces -P10 -p10
setiathome 21390 14.6  0.1  2724 2216  ??  RsJ   9:06PM   0:01.93 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_enqueue -o -d postgresql.org 
-l pgsql-performance -P10 -p10
setiathome 21330 12.0  0.2  8492 7852  ??  RJ9:05PM   0:15.55 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /dev/fd/3//usr/local/www/mj/mj_wwwusr (perl5.8.5)
setiathome  7864  8.9  0.2  8912 8452  ??  RJ7:20PM  29:54.88 
/usr/bin/perl -wT /usr/local/majordomo/bin/mj_trigger -t hourly

Is there some way of finding out where all the Sys Time is being used? 
Something more fine grained them what vmstat/top shows?

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Loren M. Lang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 02:32:30AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Is there a command that I can run that provide me the syscall/sec value,
that I could use in a script?  I know vmstat reports it, but is there an
easier way the having to parse the output? a perl module maybe, that
already does it?
vmstat shouldn't be too hard to parse, try the following:
vmstat|tail -1|awk '{print $15;}'
To print out the 15th field of vmstat.  Now if you want vmstat to keep
running every five seconds or something, it's a little more complicated:
vmstat 5|grep -v 'procs\|avm'|awk '{print $15;}'
Thanks ...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Dan Nelson wrote:
Details on the array's performance, I think.  Software RAID5 will
definitely have poor write performance (logging disks solve that
problem but vinum doesn't do that), but should have excellent read
rates.  From this output, however:
systat -v output help:
   4 usersLoad  4.64  5.58  5.77
Proc:r  p  d  s  wCsw  Trp  Sys  Int  Sof  Flt
   24 9282   949 8414

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typed:
> 
> On Feb 9, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Louis LeBlanc wrote:
> 
> > And in the past, I've only ever worn or
> > used logos if they were for the Red Sox, the Patriots (and even those
> > sparingly), or a free shirt.  Hey, free is free, right?
> 
> What, no Celtics?

Not much of a hoop fan :|

> I will admit to having bought lots of Apple shirts and a Celtics shirt. 
>   The rest of my logos shirts are of the free sort I pick up at 
> conferences and from vendors :-)

I snatch 'em at work when the penguin boxes come in :)

> As regards the thread topic.
> 
> I think the poster who mentioned that a logo and a mascot are not 
> necessarily the same.  That is a valid point.  I think it would be bad 
> if "Beastie" were to disappear. But there is an advantage to having a 
> more "business like" logo in addition to the mascot for those times 
> when such things as "Beastie" might be imprudent.

Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks.
Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software.  I was
always under the impression that while the FreeBSD foundation was "in
business" to promote FreeBSD, the chief focus of the core team has
always been a better OS.  Keeping Beastie is a statement of sorts that
the FreeBSD team is NOT interested in business, just their work.

Once upon a time, a geek could get by with their idiosyncrasies
because they were obviously not interested in the power points that
the businessmen and politicians wanted.  They were only interested in
their gadgetry, software, and whatever cool new technology came along.
Now, one by one, everyone's worried about "business like" images,
logos, and whatnot.

You may be right, but I still strongly (but respectfully) disagree.

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Re: Apache + modssl + mod_php4 +++

[Olivier Nicole]

> > lang/php4
> > lang/php4-extension
> > www/mod_php4
> > www/apache13-modssl
> > There must be a specific order to build/install these, but i cannot
> > figure it out.
> OK, php4 can pull in Apache.  You want to install apache13-modssl.
> I'd install apache, then install php4-extensions, then install mod_php4.

It looks like a good guess.

install apache-modssl, then php-extension then php (it seems that
mod-php is only the loadable module for Apache, while phpo contains
both loadablemodule and standalone interpreter).

Thanks,

olivier

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Javascript in Lynx

[Vince Sabio]

I'm running 5.1-RELEASE, and need to use Lynx via an ssh session to 
access my firewall's administrative interface. Logging into the 
firewall requires javascript. My FreeBSD machine has a stock 
installation of Lynx Version 2.8.4rel.1. I've gone through the 
[O]ptions in Lynx to find some means of enabling javascript, but 
haven't been able to locate it. The on-line docs don't seem to 
mention anything about it. Does Lynx even support javascript? If so, 
how do I enable it?
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RE: FreeBSD 5.3 MySQL Performance

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 16:44 -0800, Matt Olander wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 07:58:56PM -0500, Alec Berryman wrote:
 Also, does anybody have any FreeBSD 5.3/MySQL benchmarks? I
 searched the mailing lists but didn't turn up anything.
>>>
>>> There was an article posted to Newsforge today about benchmarking
>>> MySQL on different operating systems.
>>
>> oh! thanks...but according to this article, Linux outperformed
>> FreeBSD in every metric shown :-(
>>

No, not true, reread the article.  Performance was on par for
uniprocessor
versions of Linux and FreeBSD for most tests.  Also, the author said the
following
about the testing:

"highest performer in one category for a limited set of tests does not a
"best" operating system make."

Please keep in mind that editors of publications love benchmarking
articles, because they always get someone's tit in a wringer, and
attract a lot of attention.  And attention sells newspapers.

But you shouldn't take these things too seriously.  The article
points out a few things and the accompanying reader responses point
out a few more things that are educational if you are choosing
to run a database on a UNIX system, but by no means should
the article be used as the sole basis for choosing one OS over another.

People that do benchmarking and publish the results are generally
hoping to help point out problems.  Sometimes this is because they
have an axe to grind and want to see their favorite OS or program
or whatever get some attention, sometimes just because it's nice to
see some of your work in print.  But regardless of why they do it,
the results are valuable, because if problems that benchmarking
reveals wern't pointed out, they wouldn't ever get fixed.

My take on the article is the most surprising thing in it was that
Sun's own support staff couldn't answer the authors query about why
Solaris was so slow, and the author finally figured it out by himself
(The filesystem wasn't mounted with the forcedirect option) and
set the needed option, whereupon performance dramatically improved.
We always hear from commercial OS vendors how their products are
so much better because they are supported - well it seems to me that
if Sun's support was this bad for their own OS, well that throws
the entire argument out the window, don't it?

>> is that accurate?
>
> LinuxThreads is the WORST implementation of threading that anyone can
> imagine.  Do not ever use Linux or the horrid LinuxThreads for
> anything that you want to save.
>
> Any so-called "benchmark" comparing Linux to anything else (especially
> windoze) has been polluted by the tradition in the linux/windoze world
> of running their disks in the completely unsafe "asynchronous" mode so
> popular with the ATA disk drive manufacturers.

The author of the article avoided this by using a test method that in
his words:

"I performed one test run to prime the system, almost all of the data was
cached by MySQL, so there was little or no disk access."

>
> Many companies have used FreeBSD and MySQL for years and years.  There
> is no reason to not jump to FreeBSD and start using MySQL.

Exactly, we use MySQL and FreeBSD quite a lot and have no problem with
it.

> At my last
> job, we ran very large MySQL databases on FreeBSD.  For speed we used
> 15,000 RPM SCSI-3 disk drives.  This gives you all the speed you need
> with the guaranteed safety of FreeBSD.  Of course, SCSI-3 15,000 RPM
> drives are more expensive than those wimpy ATA drives.
>

You see, this here points out the crux of the problem.

Boiled down the article essentially said that Linux performed better
because it's SMP implementation allowed mysql to take advantage of
both CPU's while FreeBSD's SMP implementation didn't.

But you see the problem with this is that in a real life situation,
it is not often that you have such a small database and such a large
amount
of system memory that the OS can load the entire database into a
disk cache in ram.  As you can no doubt understand, if the database
is on disk all the additional CPU's in the world won't make the
database run any faster once the disk channel gets saturated, which
is easy to do.

And even if you can load the entire database in ram, if you make a
lot of writes to it, the system has to push these to the disk channel
eventually, unless of course you like for your entire database to
vanish if there's a power interruption or system crash of some
kind.  So for a situation of a steady stream of writes, you
end up I/O bound again.  SMP on a database is no help if the system
is I/O bound.

And if your database is going to I/O bind, because of how it's used
and setup and how big it is, then this benchmark article is completely
useless to you.

And even if your database isn't going to I/O bind then read the
following comment one of the readers posted regarding OpenBSD and
FreeBSD:

"They both use userland only threading, and therefore mysql is only
ever running on a single CPU,

Re: jail manpage

[r p]

> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:12:06 -0600, Josh Paetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I've been trying get jails working on my 5.3-RELEASE-p2 machine.
> > I've tried following the instructions in man 8 jail
> >
> > D=/here/is/the/jail
> > cd /usr/src
> > mkdir -p $D
> > make world DESTDIR=$D
> > cd etc
> > make distribution DESTDIR=$D
> > mount_devfs devfs $D/dev
> > cd $D
> > ln -sf dev/null kernel
> >
> > It dies at make world DESTDIR=$D with the following error:
> >
> > cc -0 -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/include
> > c/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
> >
> > make: don't know how to make /jail/test/usr/lib/libc.a. Stop
> > ***Error code 2
> > Stopping /usr/src

Hi, 

I had the same problem. Googling showd me to use the line "env
DESTDIR=$D make world" instead of "make world DESTDIR=$D". After I did
this it all worked fine.

Regards,
Richard
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RE: FreeBSD IA64 on Compaq DL590?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Has anyone successfully booted IA64 BSD 5.3 on a Compaq DL590 machine?
> 

HP has Red Hat Enterprise Linux Advanced Server 3.0 running on a DL560
system here:

http://www.testdrive.hp.com

Contact them and ask for a FreeBSD test system on a DL590.

Ted


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RE: favor

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:06:13PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> 
> 
> Actually, I was referring more to the idea of posting my responces to
> other people questions.  For instance, I recently posted several
> responces for the thread about xhost and x authentication explaining
> in detail how x auth works.  Now if questions come up again here or
> elsewhere, I don't want to have to repost everything I wrote,
> just refer
> to a url.  Some of it I do plan to rewrite, but I haven't had time to
> rewrite all the emails I think would be useful to post.  Since there
> usually available in some form in an archive, I thought it would be
> convient to just archive them on my site as well.  All the emails are
> ones that I've sent, but include quoted text from the original email.
> 

The quoted text would certainly be considered Fair Use in which case
you don't have to get permission to post it.

Ted

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IP packets with source address of 0.0.0.0

[jadz]

Hi,

I've got a bit of a weird one I've not figured out yet, so thought I'd
come see if you guys can help.  I've just added a new box to an existing
tinc vpn.  The vpn consists of some debian Linux and freebsd 5.2 and 5.3
boxes.  All boxes are running tinc 1.0.2.

The box I've just added is the first and only fbsd 5.3 box on the vpn.  
tinc on the fbsd5.3 box seems to happily connect to the vpn, but
connections to the other systems on the vpn cannot be initiated from it.  
The reason seems to be that the packets coming from the box over the vpn
have a source address of 0.0.0.0.  Thats clearly why no packets get
returned by the other vpn sites.

The if_tap device on the fbsd 5.3 box seems to be configured fine:

tap0: flags=8843 mtu 1500
inet6 fe80::2bd:fff:fe33:100%tap0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 
inet 10.0.5.1 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 10.0.5.255
ether 00:bd:0f:33:01:00
Opened by PID 3174

I've had a quick look at the routing table and everything is fine there.  
Using tcpdump on one of the other vpn sites confirms the packets are 
getting to it, so they are being routed over the vpn correctly:

# tcpdump -i tap0 
tcpdump: listening on tap0
08:44:24.847529 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request
08:44:25.803251 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request
08:44:26.818328 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request
08:44:27.822987 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request
08:44:28.841233 0.0.0.0 > 10.0.3.1: icmp: echo request


5 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
# 

In the above example you can see ping packets arriving over the vpn from 
the fbsd 5.3 box.  the destination address is good, but the source address 
is 0.0.0.0, which is the problem

I've done some googling to no joy, so I'm hoping someone out there has 
some ideas.

hope you guys can help
jadzy


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