date:20060513



>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Henry Lenzi
>Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 9:04 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD logo
>

> I really hope the rationale wasn't something
>like evangelical christians having problem with "the little red
>devil."

It was, I am sorry to say.  The core developer that pushed for all
this said he was tired of when presenting FreeBSD to have to field
a bunch of questions by people hung up over the devil image, it
distracted from the presentation of the operating system's features.

Ted
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RE: New FreeBSD logo

-Original Message-
From: David Stanford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:11 AM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New FreeBSD logo

On 5/13/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>Your missing something - "they" didn't ask all us users if we wanted
>>a new logo or not. 

>I wasn't aware they had to (?).

I wasn't aware we had to praise and thank them for something
we didn't want.

>my statement meant that I hoped the Project isn't swayed out of
>using the logo because of childish posts such as these.

They put the new logo in over lots of objections so I doubt
that childish posts will make any difference.

> I would love to hear how this,
> among your *many* other posts, has contributed to this list. 

Sure, as soon as you say how your post chastising the people that
think the new logo looks like a sex toy has made a contribution to
the list.

>>The community doesen't want the new logo and the majority of the
>>community
>>prefers Beastie over the sex-toy.

>You speak for the community? 

The community has already spoken, go back and look at all the
posts on this and the other lists on the logo, the majority of
them don't like it.

You probably should have done this research before posting.

>Agreed, and this will be my last post on the subject

Good, we don't need more posting on this topic from
people who haven't bothered to read the overwhelming posts
against the new logo.

Ted
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RE: New FreeBSD Logo



>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fabian Keil
>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:06 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>Axel S. Gruner
>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:46 AM
>> >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> >Subject: RE: New FreeBSD Logo
>> >
>> >
>> >Am Mittwoch, den 10.05.2006, 02:05 -0700 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
>> >> My guess is it will be a long, long time before you see CDROMs
>> >> from anybody that have deleted Beastie and have the sex toy.
>> >
>> >At LinuxTag 2006 in Wiesbaden we had prepared a lot of CDs
>with the new
>> >Logo (what you call a "sex toy"?). We also used the new logo
>as a flag
>> >on our booth.
>> >You will find a few pictures here:
>> >http://www.encephalon.de/photo/bsd_bilder/lt2006/index.html
>> >
>> >So, the "long long time" was a really short time ;-).
>> >
>>
>> I think you missed the part of the post where I said:
>>
>> "people have to pay for, to see if those last as a product,"
>>
>> The context of the post made it pretty clear I was talking about
>> commercial CD's that are sold, not given away.
>
>Issue 3/2006 of the German magazine freeX has the new logo on
>its cover, on the included disc and it appears several times
>in the articles.
>
>http://www.cul.de/images/freex32006cg.jpg
>

Actually this isn't the logo, the nipples on it aren't recessed, but in
any case
this is really a great example of why this logo does nothing to help
the FreeBSD project.  What about the logo makes you think of an
operating system?  And what about this cover is at all compelling to
induce someone to pick up the magazine and buy it?

Ted

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Re: Cvsup verses Portsnap

2006-05-13 Thread David Stanford

Yea, Colin's the man.

http://www.daemonology.net/portsnap/ highlights all the beneifts.

-David

On 5/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 01:35 PM 5/13/2006, Tom Moore wrote:
>Which program is best for retrieving and keeping the ports tree up
>to date? What are some pros and cons of each approach? Is one method
>better than the other?

I just discovered portsnap a couple months ago after loading a couple
new machines with 6.0.  It is AWESOME (thanks, Colin! (the guy that
developed it)).

Do not even screw with cvsup for your ports.  portsnap is faster,
easier, and (I'm told) even lower bandwith and server
overhead.  About the only downside, is it has a directory in /var/db
that was about 50MB with a bunch of little files last I looked, and I
suspect it grows with time.  But what's disk space these days?

   -Wayne
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Re: Cvsup verses Portsnap

2006-05-13 Thread wc_fbsd


At 01:35 PM 5/13/2006, Tom Moore wrote:
Which program is best for retrieving and keeping the ports tree up 
to date? What are some pros and cons of each approach? Is one method 
better than the other?


I just discovered portsnap a couple months ago after loading a couple 
new machines with 6.0.  It is AWESOME (thanks, Colin! (the guy that 
developed it)).


Do not even screw with cvsup for your ports.  portsnap is faster, 
easier, and (I'm told) even lower bandwith and server 
overhead.  About the only downside, is it has a directory in /var/db 
that was about 50MB with a bunch of little files last I looked, and I 
suspect it grows with time.  But what's disk space these days?


  -Wayne
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VM and jailed processes

2006-05-13 Thread Andrew

Ok, I'm a bit fuzzy on some of the details, so take it easy. ;-)

It's my understanding that if there is more than one instance of a
specific application running, then portions of the code are shared in
memory. I would assume that would apply to dynamically linked
applications as well; i.e. if two different applications are linked
against the same library, the given code exists in only one location in
memory. Is this correct?

The second portion of my question is, how does this apply to jailed
processes? Looking through the architecture handbook, I did not see any
references to VM, which leads me to believe that the standard rules
apply to jails as well. So, for instance, if I was to provide a hosting
service with numerous instances of Apache running in individual jails,
could I assume that base memory usage (ie idle, not serving requests)
would increase at a roughly linear rate?

Lastly, if this is a question perhaps more appropriate for hackers@,
please correct me. 

Thanks, 
-Andrew

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Joseph Kerian

On 5/13/06, Frank Laszlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We could also use this info to prune ports not getting
> any use at all.
Then when someone does need it, it wont be there, and will have to be
re-ported.
>
> In addition to that a method of syncing ports indivitually
> might be an alternative way to go. That way instead of
> syncing the many thousands of ports to compile up the
> latest version of XXX you would only have to download
> the port you wanted and any dependencies.

This is a neat idea that Marc brought up. Perhaps a dynamic ports tree
is the answer. With an up to date INDEX, It probably wouldn't be hard to
patch the ports system to download JUST the ports you need, and their
dependencies. We would just have to decide on the method to do this. I
suppose something like cvsup, or portsnap could be utilized to checkout
single ports. But then again, after that, whats the point of even having
sub directories for ports? Why not just have it download the framework,
build the port, and delete everything. Now its starting to resemble
debians apt-get. *shrug*

The resemblance is not, in and of itself, a bad thing. Is there anything
preventing someone from making a portupgrade-like tool that uses only tmp, a
/ports dir on an ftp site and a bit of intelligence regarding dependency
resolution? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing any technical
reasons this couldn't be done. (okay... so your equivelent of portversion
might get a little more complicated or potentially wierd)
I would submit, however, that it hasn't been done simply because it isn't
needed. 210 mb is laughably insignificant on any system I would build ports.
Although you can say that the number of ports is increasing, disk size is
doing the same; I'm unconvinced that the ports tree size is growing fast
enough to outpace either the expansion of high speed networks or modern
disks. This may change of course, but we would likely have some warning. :)

Regards,
Joe Kerian
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console image viewer - problems with zgv

2006-05-13 Thread Steve P.

On Sat, 13 May 2006, Steve P. wrote:
> Anyone know of a decent jpg viewer for the console?

> I don't want to install X.

zgv in the ports/graphics.  This works well as a stand-alone or as the 
non-X

viewer for lynx, etc.

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zgv fails to build from ports, something about a security problem from
vuxml.freebsd. A similar thing happens with pkg_add -r zgv, or file not 
found.

man ports talks about DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES.

Is this a way I can build it from the port? Could someone give an
example how to do this?

Alternatively, is there another jpg console viewer?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Frank Laszlo


Steven Hartland wrote:

Garance A Drosihn wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the wrong solution.  I'm sure
you will love this *IFF* (that means "if and ONLY if")
all of *YOUR* ports are in that category of important
ports.  We have 15,000 ports because every single one
of those ports has some users who think that specific
port is important.  While I'm sure that some ports
will be willing to be in the "second tier" category,
I suspect you'll still have thousands of ports with
hundreds of thousands of users who will be personally
insulted if  refused to include their
favorite port in the "important" category.  I doubt
you will find anyone who wants to volunteer for the
role of , because that is certainly the
only name which will be used to describe whoever
chooses which ports are in the special category.


How about implement a system where by ports register
their usage to a central server. This will give us
some very useful stats about port usage and after some
time this is examind and all ports whos usage falls
under a given measure ( to be decided again by stats )
said port is moved to a secondary port group.


Eww, sounds like a good definition of spyware, I could go without people 
knowing exactly what I install and when.


We could also use this info to prune ports not getting
any use at all.
Then when someone does need it, it wont be there, and will have to be 
re-ported.


In addition to that a method of syncing ports indivitually
might be an alternative way to go. That way instead of
syncing the many thousands of ports to compile up the
latest version of XXX you would only have to download
the port you wanted and any dependencies.


This is a neat idea that Marc brought up. Perhaps a dynamic ports tree 
is the answer. With an up to date INDEX, It probably wouldn't be hard to 
patch the ports system to download JUST the ports you need, and their 
dependencies. We would just have to decide on the method to do this. I 
suppose something like cvsup, or portsnap could be utilized to checkout 
single ports. But then again, after that, whats the point of even having 
sub directories for ports? Why not just have it download the framework, 
build the port, and delete everything. Now its starting to resemble 
debians apt-get. *shrug*


-Frank

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

2006-05-13 Thread Riemer Palstra

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:59:59AM -0400, fbsd wrote:
> The point being it was not  announced  on the questions list.

Oh, where would an announcement go... like, the announcement
mailinglist?

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:26:38 +0900
From: Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD logo design competition

[ ... ]

Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:47:00 +0900
From: Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: freebsd-announce@FreeBSD.org
Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] New Logo

> Quite trying to make a non-subject out of something that effects us
> all.

Yes, it affects us al. And yes, we all had our chance of giving input
while this was still open for discussion.

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Re: New FreeBSD Logo

2006-05-13 Thread Erik Trulsson

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:59:59AM -0400, fbsd wrote:
> The point being it was not  announced  on the questions list.

Why should it be?  This is not the place for announcments and never
has been.  This list is for asking questions about FreeBSD and answering
those questions.

Announcments can be expected to appear on the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list, which is exactly where the logo contest was announced.

There are several other lists hosted at freebsd.org.  If you think
all important discussions happen on questions@ then you are not only
badly mistaken, but will also miss most discussions.


> The point being the logo affects all the users just not the core
> committers.

Only if they choose to let it do so.

> 
> Quite trying to make a non-subject out of something that effects us
> all.
> The official logo represents all of us users to the world as a
> whole.

No, the logo is supposed to represent FreeBSD, not the users thereof.

> 
> Cant you get that through your collectives heads.

Can't you learn to spell correctly or to use correct punctuation?

> 
> How dare you be little this subject.

Very easily. It is not a subject of much importance.

> 
> Maybe you are to close to the internal FreeBSD business to be able
> to see
> the turn meaning of what changing the logo means to the users.

I suspect that the correct answer of what the logo means to most users is
'Very little'.  The is how much the new logo (or the old image of Beastie
for that matter) affects me anyway.

> 
> Maybe now is the time to ask the list if that want to vote on
> keeping the new logo? Or on if a new logo is wanted at all?

What makes you think that this list (or any other public list for
that matter) has a vote on the question?  FreeBSD is not a democracy.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry
> McAllister
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:25 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Beech Rintoul;
> Chad
> Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
> Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
> 
> 
> >
> > As a long time reader of this list I did not see any
> > announcement of it here. Only after selection of the
> > new logo was made was it talked about on this list.
> > People were very up set with it them and the ground
> > swell over this has only gotten bigger.
> 
> It was clearly announced with dates and how to make submissions
> and all and then the closure of the submissions was announced.
> There was a lot of griping on the list about why bother and
> such, but not much real objection until the robo-beastie - or
> would it be space-beastie - was chosen.
> 
> Though I am not fond of the new thing, it is not because the process
> of acquiring it was not announced.   I do think there was a failure
> to get better input on the candidates after submissions were made.
> The process, or lack thereof, of selecting was rather lame.
> 
> > Loyal long time users are feeling insulted about being
> > left out from the decision about the need for a new logo.
> 
> They were not left out, except by their own choice of not making
> any submission.
> 
> > A post in the archive give some lame reasons for a new logo
> > which many people disagreed with even then but still the
> > new legal FreeBSD foundation went ahead any how putting it
> > on the official website removing the "beastie" logo.
> >
> > I for one do not see any need to change the logo at all.
> > It's just as professional as the "penguin".
> >
> > I would say special effort was made to keep this whole
> > new logo thing a secret from the general user population.
> 
> Nope, it was well publicized.
> 
> > That also goes for the formation of the new legal FreeBSD
> > foundation.
> > Not a word of it happening on this list until it was a done deal.
> > You can see from this thread just how big a stink this is making.
> 
> Many words were posted.
> 
> > Lets point the finger at the real reason for the new logo.
> > As part of the new legal FreeBSD foundation, the people who
> > set it up though it's better to own the complete legal rights
> > to the logo. The "beastie" logo legal rights is owned by
> > an individual. So being pressed for time they choose to keep it
> > off the questions list and pushed it through selecting what
> > ever logo they had just to meet the filing dead line for
> > the new legal FreeBSD foundation formation.
> 
> Maybe, who knows.
> 
> >
> > For those of you who think this subject is flame bait,
> > YOU ARE WHY THIS NEW LOGO IDEA WAS EVEN ABLE TO GET OFF
> > THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE.
> >
> > Sham on you, shut your pie hole.
> 
> That was unnecessary and adds nothing to the discussion.
> 
> > I want to know the email addresses of the people in control of
> > the new foundation and everyone on this list who does not like
> > the new logo  and/or the way in which it was forced upon us
> > should email them to voice our dissatisfaction directly to them.
> > Because its obviou

Re: Cvsup verses Portsnap

2006-05-13 Thread David Stanford

On 5/13/06, Aren Olvalde Tyr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Saturday 13 May 2006 18:35, Tom Moore wrote:
> Hi guys.
> Which program is best for retrieving and keeping the ports tree up to
date?
> What are some pros and cons of each approach?
> Is one method better than the other?

Both systems are very efficient and work extremely well, so you won't go
too
far wrong with either. However, I believe Portsnap has the edge and uses
less
bandwidth.

Keeping your Ports tree up to date with Portsnap is as simple as

#portsnap fetch && portsnap update

Or as of 6.0-RELEASE, just:

# portsnap fetch update;)

Assuming, of course, you've already extracted the tree...

Aren.

-David
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FreeBSD 6.x problems with IDE drives

2006-05-13 Thread Javier Henderson

Greetings,

I've a motherboard and disk drive that have been running on older
versions of FreeBSD for quite a while, reliably. Recently, I moved to
FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (and lately to 6.1-RELEASE, but it didn't help),
and the system periodically shows:

> ad4: FAILURE - device detached

This is likely to happen under heavy I/O load (the machine serves a
few dozen virtual websites, averaging 15 Mb/s sustained).

Then the machine will eventually reboot.

The motherboard is an MSI with an AMD 1.3 GHz CPU and 1.25GB of RAM,
it has two IDE controllers, a VIA 8235, and a Promise (I can't access
the machine right now to get the exact model number). The problem
happens the same with either controller. I tried both UDMA100 and PIO4
modes, no difference.

SMART reports a healthy drive, and as mentioned before, it didn't have
problems with older versions of FreeBSD (5.4-RELEASE to be precise)
and under similarly heavy load.

The IDE cable was replaced, just in case, but again, no difference.

Any ideas?

-jav
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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

Alright. That's all I needed to know, thanks!

On 5/13/06, Jeff Rollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 14/05/06, Alex Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, the Nintendo kind. It seems more than capable, technologically,
> of supporting a REAL OS such as FreeBSD, something beyond its standard
> EPROM startup screen, to me. Is that a supported architecture? And if
> not, is NetBSD free or open source?

There is (definitely) a port of Linux to the NDS, and possibly one of
NetBSD. I don't think a port of FreeBSD to the platform is on the cards,
though perhaps one of the devs can correct me on this?

The Linux port appears to be at an early stage; I don't know the status of
the NetBSD port. However, iirc the NDS is pretty new, so I wouldn't expect
to be able to run Opera on it just yet.

AFAIK, all BSDs (or at least all the ones you would probably be interested
in) are open source software.

A google search on "Linux Nintendo DS" or a question posted to the netbsd
mailing lists (on the site I posted in my early email) will be more
fruitful
than more questions on this list, I suspect.

Good luck with it!

Jeff

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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

2006-05-13 Thread Jeff Rollin


On 14/05/06, Alex Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, the Nintendo kind. It seems more than capable, technologically,
of supporting a REAL OS such as FreeBSD, something beyond its standard
EPROM startup screen, to me. Is that a supported architecture? And if
not, is NetBSD free or open source?



There is (definitely) a port of Linux to the NDS, and possibly one of
NetBSD. I don't think a port of FreeBSD to the platform is on the cards,
though perhaps one of the devs can correct me on this?

The Linux port appears to be at an early stage; I don't know the status of
the NetBSD port. However, iirc the NDS is pretty new, so I wouldn't expect
to be able to run Opera on it just yet.

AFAIK, all BSDs (or at least all the ones you would probably be interested
in) are open source software.

A google search on "Linux Nintendo DS" or a question posted to the netbsd
mailing lists (on the site I posted in my early email) will be more fruitful
than more questions on this list, I suspect.

Good luck with it!

Jeff
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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

Yes, the Nintendo kind. It seems more than capable, technologically,
of supporting a REAL OS such as FreeBSD, something beyond its standard
EPROM startup screen, to me. Is that a supported architecture? And if
not, is NetBSD free or open source?

On 5/13/06, Jeff Rollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> $75.00 US. Any used game store just ask for a Nintendo DS - if someone
> on the list doesn't already own one, I don't really want to ask people
> to buy things they'd never use.

Ah, a NINTENDO DS! I was thinking along the lines of an Alpha DS - from HP,
via Compaq, via DEC, which FBSD might well have supported as Alpha (until
very recently) was a supported architecture.

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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

2006-05-13 Thread Jeff Rollin



$75.00 US. Any used game store just ask for a Nintendo DS - if someone
on the list doesn't already own one, I don't really want to ask people
to buy things they'd never use.



Ah, a NINTENDO DS! I was thinking along the lines of an Alpha DS - from HP,
via Compaq, via DEC, which FBSD might well have supported as Alpha (until
very recently) was a supported architecture.
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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Steven Hartland

Garance A Drosihn wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the wrong solution. I'm sure
you will love this *IFF* (that means "if and ONLY if")
all of *YOUR* ports are in that category of important
ports. We have 15,000 ports because every single one
of those ports has some users who think that specific
port is important. While I'm sure that some ports
will be willing to be in the "second tier" category,
I suspect you'll still have thousands of ports with
hundreds of thousands of users who will be personally
insulted if refused to include their
favorite port in the "important" category. I doubt
you will find anyone who wants to volunteer for the
role of , because that is certainly the
only name which will be used to describe whoever
chooses which ports are in the special category.

How about implement a system where by ports register
their usage to a central server. This will give us
some very useful stats about port usage and after some
time this is examind and all ports whos usage falls
under a given measure ( to be decided again by stats )
said port is moved to a secondary port group.

We could also use this info to prune ports not getting
any use at all.

In addition to that a method of syncing ports indivitually
might be an alternative way to go. That way instead of
syncing the many thousands of ports to compile up the
latest version of XXX you would only have to download
the port you wanted and any dependencies.

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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

Aah, I may well be thinking of NetBSD. However, I'm not much in the
way of hardware, so I do not know what architecture the DS is. But for
someone with a little more experience than I I'm sure it will be easy
to find out, the system itself is available used for only around
$75.00 US. Any used game store just ask for a Nintendo DS - if someone
on the list doesn't already own one, I don't really want to ask people
to buy things they'd never use.

On 5/13/06, Jeff Rollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 14/05/06, Alex Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am aware that FreeBSD's claim to fame is that it has been ported to
> "anything with a processor".

I think you may be thinking of NetBSD - www.netbsd.org. That being said,
your question may be relevant to this list. What architecture, exactly, is
a
"DS"?

Jeff.

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Re: very slow boot (newbie)

2006-05-13 Thread Barnaby Scott


Gerard Seibert wrote:

Daniel Bye wrote:


On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 07:28:06PM +0100, Barnaby Scott wrote:
It turns out it was sendmail causing the delay, so now my /etc/rc.comf 
reads:


sendmail_enable="NONE"

This is fine, but according to rc.sendmail(8) `NONE' is deprecated and
will be removed in a future release (but, to be honest, it's been going
to be removed in a future release for quite some time now... ;-).  It's
more typing, but the preferred way to disable sendmail these days is
this:

sendmail_enable="NO"
sendmail_submit_enable="NO"
sendmail_outbound_enable="NO"
sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO"

This prevents any of the various sendmail daemons from starting.


In that case, what handles the delivery of mail locally?


At the moment I have the slightly perverse, but workable, situation 
whereby we send internal mail via the internet - it all goes through my 
hosting company's SMTP servers. In these days of always-on conections it 
is not as stupid as it sounds, and they offer such a good service that 
before I get to grips with FreeBSD myself, it suits me very well. (BTW 
they use FreeBSD, and deserve any bigging-up going: www.gradwell.com)


...it does not cure the problem for me if I decide that I do want 
sendmail! I could cross that bridge when I come to it, but I would 
prefer to gain some insight here if anyone can bear any more on this topic.

I would suggest you look at ssmtp in the ports.  It is a very simple
mail forwarding daemon, that you configure with the IP address of another,
full MTA to which ssmtp will send all your outgoing messages.  Your ISP
probably runs a suitable server for their customers' use.  It means you
won't have to worry about your IP address and DNS resolution and all the
other things that go with running a full MTA, like sendmail, exim or
postfix. 


Adding
127.0.0.1   frankbruno
to /etc/hosts did not cure the problem. Could that be because the lookup 
that causes the delay is a reverse one? If so, it would be trying to 
find a name for 192.168.0.4 (I think that's the one I have been getting 
recently) which is still not in hosts.

No, it wouldn't help at all - you should return that entry to localhost.

I would rather not mess with the IP allocation if possible - having it 
automatic is much more useful and means I cannot create condradictory 
records in different places.

Fair enough.  KDK's suggestion of using a wrapper script will certainly
get you round this if you decide you need/want to use a more full-
featured MTA.

Dan

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier


On Sat, 13 May 2006, Garance A Drosihn wrote:


At 2:28 PM -0400 5/13/06, fbsd wrote:

To all question list readers;

Now with 14576 ports in the collection where do you
draw the line that its too large to be downloading
the whole collection when you just use 10 or 20 of
them?


This is a good question.  For all those people who want
to roll their eyes and ignore this question, please
answer it.  Where *DO* you draw the line?  Obviously it's
not at 10,000 ports.  Will it be 20,000?  50,000?  How
many programs exist?  Will every single program known to
man eventually be in the ports collection?  How hopeless
is that?  And if not, then "Where do you draw the line?".


Why draw a line?  Why not just improve installing from ports so that you 
don't have to download the whole ports collection to do so?


For those with 'always on' internet connections, this should be *too* 
difficult ... all you'd need to do is:


download ports-base, which would have to include INDEX
type: make fetch-postfix

and let the make system be smart enough to know to pull down mail/postfix 
... something like a 'fetch' of a postfix.tar.gz tarball from the closest 
ftp server, untar it in /usr/ports/mail/postfix, and that "seeds" your 
ports tree ...


go into mail/postfix and type 'make install' ... have the make system 
smart enough that if a dependency isn't found, first thing it does is 
grabs down that dependency to make it, recursively ...


Now, your /usr/ports will only contain those "ports" that you actually use 
... a 'self-learning ports tree', of sources ...



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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

2006-05-13 Thread Glenn Dawson


At 04:52 PM 5/13/2006, Alex Johnson wrote:

I am aware that FreeBSD's claim to fame is that it has been ported to
"anything with a processor".


I think you're thinking of NetBSD, not FreeBSD.

-Glenn


So, I am wondering if it'd be possible to
get my hands on a method for modding the DS's boot EPROM to load a
FreeBSD operating system, and with it  a means for storing or
retrieving data along the lines of a GBA cart which runs to an ATAPI
ribbon cable or the like. I could easily see a touch-screen keyboard
interface, with most programs displayed on the other screen. If such a
thing is possible, please help me find one.
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Re: FreeBSD in the DS?

2006-05-13 Thread Jeff Rollin


On 14/05/06, Alex Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I am aware that FreeBSD's claim to fame is that it has been ported to
"anything with a processor".



I think you may be thinking of NetBSD - www.netbsd.org. That being said,
your question may be relevant to this list. What architecture, exactly, is a
"DS"?

Jeff.
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FreeBSD in the DS?


I am aware that FreeBSD's claim to fame is that it has been ported to
"anything with a processor". So, I am wondering if it'd be possible to
get my hands on a method for modding the DS's boot EPROM to load a
FreeBSD operating system, and with it  a means for storing or
retrieving data along the lines of a GBA cart which runs to an ATAPI
ribbon cable or the like. I could easily see a touch-screen keyboard
interface, with most programs displayed on the other screen. If such a
thing is possible, please help me find one.
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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Robert Huff


Shaun Amott writes:

>  cvsup uses a relatively tiny amount of bandwidth, since only
>  changes are being sent. Personally, I have a local cvsup mirror
>  from which my other machines get their updates, so really, there
>  isn't any wastage.

Back when I had a 28.8 dialup connection, I updated the ports
tree daily.  No hassle; no sweat.
Distfiles, now were a different matter 



Robert Huff


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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2006-05-13 Thread M Jacobson



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Re: X11 6.9 issue -- option "ZAxisMapping" -- "4 5" vs "4 5 6 7"

2006-05-13 Thread Robert Huff

Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= writes:

>  > if i scroll my mouse wheel too fast, i'm suddenly moving in history
>  > instead of scrolling the page. one quick finger movement is enough to
>  > trigger this. very annoying.
>  
>  Here's an entry in Novell's bugzilla for a similar issue in Linux:
>  
>  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=144682
>  
>  I believe the information is equally applicable to FreeBSD.  To
>  translate and summarize, ums(4) needs to learn to distinguish
>  between IntelliMouse and IntelliMouse Explorer, becaue they have
>  slightly different protocols; moused(8) already knows about this
>  and handles it correctly, but only for PS/2 mice.

There may - I repeat, _may_ - be another complication.
Recently (after the first of the year, I think) MS brought out
a new (USB) IntelliMouse Explorer.  It looks more or less like the
old one, but works on a slightly different protocol.  Basic mouse
functions work under Windows ME with the old driver (the new driver
knows only XP); under Xorg 6.9 some things are off by just a little
bit.  For example: trying to grab the corner of a window to resize
it, I'm frequently presented with a window manager (fvwm2) menu.
If, however, I grab about one-sixteenth of an inch above the corner
suddenly the resize works.

Robert Huff

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Garance A Drosihn


At 2:28 PM -0400 5/13/06, fbsd wrote:

To all question list readers;

Now with 14576 ports in the collection where do you
draw the line that its too large to be downloading
the whole collection when you just use 10 or 20 of
them?


This is a good question.  For all those people who want
to roll their eyes and ignore this question, please
answer it.  Where *DO* you draw the line?  Obviously it's
not at 10,000 ports.  Will it be 20,000?  50,000?  How
many programs exist?  Will every single program known to
man eventually be in the ports collection?  How hopeless
is that?  And if not, then "Where do you draw the line?".


What are your thoughts about requesting the ports
group to create a new category containing just the
ports most commonly used including their dependents
and making this general category the default used
to download.


Unfortunately, this is the wrong solution.  I'm sure
you will love this *IFF* (that means "if and ONLY if")
all of *YOUR* ports are in that category of important
ports.  We have 15,000 ports because every single one
of those ports has some users who think that specific
port is important.  While I'm sure that some ports
will be willing to be in the "second tier" category,
I suspect you'll still have thousands of ports with
hundreds of thousands of users who will be personally
insulted if  refused to include their
favorite port in the "important" category.  I doubt
you will find anyone who wants to volunteer for the
role of , because that is certainly the
only name which will be used to describe whoever
chooses which ports are in the special category.

We need some more dramatic restructuring of ports to
really solve the issue.  Your suggestion is a very
small bandaid, and will just result in more fighting
and ill-will instead of solving anything.

All of this is just my opinion, of course.

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Re: Is there a daemon/program for FreeBSD that accepts Microsoft RDP connections?

2006-05-13 Thread Ashley Moran



On May 13, 2006, at 11:40 pm, Tom Norris wrote:
I'm trying to convince my boss to let me set up a FreeBSD system as  
file server.  He said he would allow it if he could use Microsoft's  
RDP client (not VNC or SSH :( ) to connect and monitor the machine  
at his whim.  Are there any daemons that will take incoming RDP  
connections?


I think your boss is missing the point slightly ... he hasn't got an  
MCSE has he? ;)


I'm 99% sure the only RDP servers come with windoze.  Why don't you  
install KDE on your file server (ick) and install another windows box  
under your desk permanently VNC'd into it.  Then he can RDP to that  
and he will never know the difference :)


We have a Win2k3 server and I can't tell you how many times I've  
nearly kicked it to pieces because we used the TWO remote sessions  
and couldn't log in.  Once, we used up both RDP sessions, the VNC  
server crashed, and when I plugged the mouse and keyboard in it  
wouldn't respond (bloody PS2!!!)  I lost my rag and yanked the power  
cord.


On a less it's-late-and-I'm-feeling-sarcastic note, perhaps you could  
just set the server up to e-mail him the output of essential stats,  
like du -h.  I still don't see why he feels the need to monitor the  
file server though.  Surely that's your job!


Just my opinionated twopence...

Ashley
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Re: Is there a daemon/program for FreeBSD that accepts Microsoft RDP connections?

2006-05-13 Thread Tom Norris


Jonathan Horne wrote:

WOW!! what an incredibly closed minded person you boss must be!  i wonder what 
he thinks he will do, if he *could* get an rdp session to a freebsd box?


(btw, the answer is no, he cannot have a port 3389 terminal services session 
to a freebsd box... but there are a million other things, from ssh, to webmin 
that can be used to achieve the same thing and more, for a lot less cash).


jonathan





Yeah, tell me about it :\

I'lll run the webmin idea by him on Monday though.

Thanks :)

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Re: Is there a daemon/program for FreeBSD that accepts Microsoft RDP connections?

2006-05-13 Thread Jonathan Horne

On Saturday 13 May 2006 17:40, Tom Norris wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> He said he would allow it if he could use Microsoft's RDP
> client (not VNC or SSH :( ) to connect and monitor the machine at his
> whim. ...
> > 
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Norris

WOW!! what an incredibly closed minded person you boss must be!  i wonder what 
he thinks he will do, if he *could* get an rdp session to a freebsd box?

(btw, the answer is no, he cannot have a port 3389 terminal services session 
to a freebsd box... but there are a million other things, from ssh, to webmin 
that can be used to achieve the same thing and more, for a lot less cash).

jonathan

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Is there a daemon/program for FreeBSD that accepts Microsoft RDP connections?

2006-05-13 Thread Tom Norris


Hello everyone,

I'm trying to convince my boss to let me set up a FreeBSD system as file 
server.  He said he would allow it if he could use Microsoft's RDP 
client (not VNC or SSH :( ) to connect and monitor the machine at his 
whim.  Are there any daemons that will take incoming RDP connections?



Thanks,
Tom Norris
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Re: Cvsup verses Portsnap

2006-05-13 Thread Aren Olvalde Tyr

On Saturday 13 May 2006 18:35, Tom Moore wrote:
> Hi guys.
> Which program is best for retrieving and keeping the ports tree up to date?
> What are some pros and cons of each approach?
> Is one method better than the other?

Both systems are very efficient and work extremely well, so you won't go too 
far wrong with either. However, I believe Portsnap has the edge and uses less 
bandwidth.

Keeping your Ports tree up to date with Portsnap is as simple as

#portsnap fetch && portsnap update

Aren.

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Re: X11 6.9 issue -- option "ZAxisMapping" -- "4 5" vs "4 5 6 7"

2006-05-13 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav

martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> if i scroll my mouse wheel too fast, i'm suddenly moving in history
> instead of scrolling the page. one quick finger movement is enough to
> trigger this. very annoying.

Here's an entry in Novell's bugzilla for a similar issue in Linux:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=144682

I believe the information is equally applicable to FreeBSD.  To
translate and summarize, ums(4) needs to learn to distinguish between
IntelliMouse and IntelliMouse Explorer, becaue they have slightly
different protocols; moused(8) already knows about this and handles it
correctly, but only for PS/2 mice.

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Re: lost+found

2006-05-13 Thread Daniel Bye

On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 11:42:54PM +0200, Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Why the structure of directories in FreeBSD don't have a lost+found
> directory?. (Talking about 6.x Releases)
> 
> Some Unix manuals tell that this directory is very important for the
> work of the fsck program...

Indeed.  And if ever fsck needs one, it creates it.  I know from bitter
personal experience!

Dan

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread andrew clarke

On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 02:28:49PM -0400, fbsd wrote:

> I for one think the port/package collection has already grown to
> large to handle in it's present state.

I suspect you are in the minority here.

> Users are consuming massive bandwidth to download and it
> consumes a very large chunk of disk space.

No, a snapshot of the ports tree is only about 30 Mb.

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/

I think you'll find cvsup's bandwidth usage is pretty minimal.

Disk space is cheap.  The ports tree decompresses to about 210 Mb. 
That's less than 0.01% of a modern ~$100 average-sized 80 Gb hard drive
supplied with most desktop PCs.

> Saying nothing about the wasted resources consumed to back it up
> repeatedly.

Unnecessary.
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bcm4319 on amd64

2006-05-13 Thread raf ponsaerts

hi all,

I have a new laptop which runs on FreeBSD6.1beta-amd64 (Turion64
ML-34).  

The only problem I have is getting the wireless interface up.

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hdr=0x00
vendor   = 'Broadcom Corporation'
class= network

It seems to me I need a driver which supports bcm4319.
I read about the unwillingness of broadcom to support the development of
a native FreeBSD-driver. 

I am aware of the "Evil project" and the "ndisgen" tool. So, I used WinXP 
drivers 
(bcmwl5.inf, bcmwl5.sys) to build a module, which loads without any comment.

However, ifconfig does not show the wireless interface ...

When I take a look at the ndiswrapper-list, I see that such cards work on 
linux-amd64. 

Does anyone know a way to get past this problem?
Does bcmwl5.inf needs some tweaking?


raf 


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lost+found

2006-05-13 Thread Jose Luis Alarcon Sanchez

Hi.

Why the structure of directories in FreeBSD don't have a lost+found
directory?. (Talking about 6.x Releases)

Some Unix manuals tell that this directory is very important for the
work of the fsck program...

Thanks very much, in advance.

Regards.

Jose.


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Re: very slow boot (newbie)

2006-05-13 Thread Daniel Bye

On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 05:27:29PM -0400, Gerard Seibert wrote:
> Daniel Bye wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 07:28:06PM +0100, Barnaby Scott wrote:
> > > It turns out it was sendmail causing the delay, so now my /etc/rc.comf 
> > > reads:
> > > 
> > > sendmail_enable="NONE"
> > 
> > This is fine, but according to rc.sendmail(8) `NONE' is deprecated and
> > will be removed in a future release (but, to be honest, it's been going
> > to be removed in a future release for quite some time now... ;-).  It's
> > more typing, but the preferred way to disable sendmail these days is
> > this:
> > 
> > sendmail_enable="NO"
> > sendmail_submit_enable="NO"
> > sendmail_outbound_enable="NO"
> > sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO"
> > 
> > This prevents any of the various sendmail daemons from starting.
> 
> In that case, what handles the delivery of mail locally?

ACK.  Good point.  I use exim as my MTA, so per default always disable
all of sendmail's services.  I have never used sendmail, so must admit
defeat on this one!  From reading rc.sendmail(8) more carefully, I would
think setting `sendmail_submit_enable="YES"' should do the trick, but I
am by no means certain...

Dan

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Re: X11 6.9 issue -- options "AGPMode" and "AGPFastWrite"

2006-05-13 Thread martinko

Eric Anholt wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-07 at 21:51 +0200, martinko wrote: 
>> hello list!
>>
>> i've just upgraded X11 from 6.8.2 to 6.9.0 and run into the following issue:
>>
>> after starting x11 for the first time the screen went black and console 
>> was inaccessible (i had to reboot). when i tried the generated xorg.conf 
>> (`Xorg -configure`) it worked. so i started comparing my old config file 
>> with the new one and found out that the following two options i had been 
>> using are the root of the problem:
>>  Option  "AGPMode" "4"   # ++ 2005-02-11 mato
>>  Option  "AGPFastWrite" # ++ 2005-02-11 mato
>> they just cannot be set both at the same time now.
>> and i wonder why.
>> and also i wonder which one to comment out and which one to keep (if any 
>> at all).
> 
> Comment them both out and live a happier life with a more stable
> computer.  In my testing (and as far as I know, I'm the only one who has
> done performance comparisons with AGPMode), AGPMode 4 provided no
> meaningful performance improvement except under contrived circumstances.
> AGPFastWrite is the most unstable option ever, and I couldn't benchmark
> because it crashes.  We've threatened to just disconnect these options
> upstream and not tell anyone, because they're that harmful but people
> seem to think they're secret performance sauce that the developers don't
> want to give them.
> 


eric, thank you!

could i take this opportunity and ask you about 2 other options i've
been using? -- EnablePageFlip and DynamicClocks -- are they safe/useful?

cheers,

martin

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Re: very slow boot (newbie)

Daniel Bye wrote:

> On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 07:28:06PM +0100, Barnaby Scott wrote:
> > It turns out it was sendmail causing the delay, so now my /etc/rc.comf 
> > reads:
> > 
> > sendmail_enable="NONE"
> 
> This is fine, but according to rc.sendmail(8) `NONE' is deprecated and
> will be removed in a future release (but, to be honest, it's been going
> to be removed in a future release for quite some time now... ;-).  It's
> more typing, but the preferred way to disable sendmail these days is
> this:
> 
> sendmail_enable="NO"
> sendmail_submit_enable="NO"
> sendmail_outbound_enable="NO"
> sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO"
> 
> This prevents any of the various sendmail daemons from starting.

In that case, what handles the delivery of mail locally?
> 
> > ...it does not cure the problem for me if I decide that I do want 
> > sendmail! I could cross that bridge when I come to it, but I would 
> > prefer to gain some insight here if anyone can bear any more on this topic.
> 
> I would suggest you look at ssmtp in the ports.  It is a very simple
> mail forwarding daemon, that you configure with the IP address of another,
> full MTA to which ssmtp will send all your outgoing messages.  Your ISP
> probably runs a suitable server for their customers' use.  It means you
> won't have to worry about your IP address and DNS resolution and all the
> other things that go with running a full MTA, like sendmail, exim or
> postfix. 
> 
> > 
> > Adding
> > 127.0.0.1   frankbruno
> > to /etc/hosts did not cure the problem. Could that be because the lookup 
> > that causes the delay is a reverse one? If so, it would be trying to 
> > find a name for 192.168.0.4 (I think that's the one I have been getting 
> > recently) which is still not in hosts.
> 
> No, it wouldn't help at all - you should return that entry to localhost.
> 
> > I would rather not mess with the IP allocation if possible - having it 
> > automatic is much more useful and means I cannot create condradictory 
> > records in different places.
> 
> Fair enough.  KDK's suggestion of using a wrapper script will certainly
> get you round this if you decide you need/want to use a more full-
> featured MTA.
> 
> Dan
> 
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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Peter Jeremy

On Sat, 2006-May-13 21:39:46 +0100, Shaun Amott wrote:
>If bandwidth really is a problem, then it is possible - but not
>necessarily a good idea - to check out individual ports via CVS.

This is not supported.  If you want to build ports from source,
you _must_ have a complete and consistent ports tree.  Otherwise
you are on your own.

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Re: very slow boot (newbie)

2006-05-13 Thread Daniel Bye

On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 07:28:06PM +0100, Barnaby Scott wrote:
> It turns out it was sendmail causing the delay, so now my /etc/rc.comf 
> reads:
> 
> sendmail_enable="NONE"

This is fine, but according to rc.sendmail(8) `NONE' is deprecated and
will be removed in a future release (but, to be honest, it's been going
to be removed in a future release for quite some time now... ;-).  It's
more typing, but the preferred way to disable sendmail these days is
this:

sendmail_enable="NO"
sendmail_submit_enable="NO"
sendmail_outbound_enable="NO"
sendmail_msp_queue_enable="NO"

This prevents any of the various sendmail daemons from starting.

> ...it does not cure the problem for me if I decide that I do want 
> sendmail! I could cross that bridge when I come to it, but I would 
> prefer to gain some insight here if anyone can bear any more on this topic.

I would suggest you look at ssmtp in the ports.  It is a very simple
mail forwarding daemon, that you configure with the IP address of another,
full MTA to which ssmtp will send all your outgoing messages.  Your ISP
probably runs a suitable server for their customers' use.  It means you
won't have to worry about your IP address and DNS resolution and all the
other things that go with running a full MTA, like sendmail, exim or
postfix. 

> 
> Adding
> 127.0.0.1 frankbruno
> to /etc/hosts did not cure the problem. Could that be because the lookup 
> that causes the delay is a reverse one? If so, it would be trying to 
> find a name for 192.168.0.4 (I think that's the one I have been getting 
> recently) which is still not in hosts.

No, it wouldn't help at all - you should return that entry to localhost.

> I would rather not mess with the IP allocation if possible - having it 
> automatic is much more useful and means I cannot create condradictory 
> records in different places.

Fair enough.  KDK's suggestion of using a wrapper script will certainly
get you round this if you decide you need/want to use a more full-
featured MTA.

Dan

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Shaun Amott

On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 02:28:49PM -0400, fbsd wrote:
> 
> Users are consuming massive bandwidth to download and it
> consumes a very large chunk of disk space. Saying nothing about
> the wasted resources consumed to back it up repeatedly.
> 

cvsup uses a relatively tiny amount of bandwidth, since only changes are
being sent. Personally, I have a local cvsup mirror from which my other
machines get their updates, so really, there isn't any wastage.

As for backing it up... well, that's just silly. The ports collection
and its entire history is always available and mirrored to countless
machines.

If bandwidth really is a problem, then it is possible - but not
necessarily a good idea - to check out individual ports via CVS.

> What are your thoughts about requesting the ports group to create
> a new category containing just the ports most commonly used
> including
> their dependents and making this general category the default
> used to download. This would be a much smaller sized download
> containing everything necessary to build the most used ports.
> Many of the dependents are used over and over by many
> different port applications.

Exactly which ports are "commonly used", and how do you track this?
Apache? PHP? We have several versions of each; four or five versions of
the big databases, and these all have dependencies, which have their own
dependencies, and so on.

The common category would have to be pretty large, catering for enough
users to be worthy of its name, and containing all the possible
dependencies.

As soon as you need a port that isn't in the common category, you're out
of luck: the rest of the tree needs to be downloaded.

> and say that only ports in this category will have packages
> built and keep up to date. All ports not in this special
> category will not have packages built at all. I think this

Bad idea. Again, as soon as someone wants a package not in the "special"
list, they lose out. Besides, building packages serves another purpose:
quality assurance. Building packages ensures that the ports can be built
correctly, and serves as a tool for testing the base system.

> Another idea I would like to throw out to the list is how about
> requesting the ports group to add a function to packages so the
> installer of the package can select what version of the dependent
> components should be included in the install.

This would only work for runtime dependencies. Most software is compiled
differently depending on what versions of things are available at the
time of compilation.

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limitations on mount_cd9660?

2006-05-13 Thread Jonathan Horne

ive been trying to mount up my iso files so i can have access to their 
contents as quickly as possible.  ive used mdconfig to create block devices 
for 4 .iso files, but when i get to the point where i try to mount the 3rd 
one, i get:

mount_cd9660: /dev/md2: Invalid argument

i created my block devices like this:

mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /path/filename -u 0
(-u 1, -u 2, -u 3, etc etc)

all 4 devices created without any complaint, and they show up when 
i 'ls -la /dev/md*'.  are we not able to mount more than 2 .iso files to 
folders at a time, or am i missing something here?

thanks,
jonathan
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Re: very slow boot (newbie)


Barnaby Scott wrote:
Many thanks to all who have helped me on this one - I won't post a 
message in response to every suggestion, but they have all helped - 
thank you!


It turns out it was sendmail causing the delay, so now my /etc/rc.comf 
reads:


hostname="frankbruno"
ifconfig_re0="DHCP"
keymap="uk.iso"
linux_enable="YES"
moused_enable="YES"
saver="logo"
usbd_enable="YES"
sendmail_enable="NONE"

(Someone asked what was in this file). The last line that I have just 
added does cure the problem. But...


...it does not cure the problem for me if I decide that I do want 
sendmail! I could cross that bridge when I come to it, but I would 
prefer to gain some insight here if anyone can bear any more on this topic.


Adding
127.0.0.1frankbruno
to /etc/hosts did not cure the problem. Could that be because the lookup 
that causes the delay is a reverse one? If so, it would be trying to 
find a name for 192.168.0.4 (I think that's the one I have been getting 
recently) which is still not in hosts.


I would rather not mess with the IP allocation if possible - having it 
automatic is much more useful and means I cannot create condradictory 
records in different places.


Looking in /var/run/dmesg.boot turned up nothing obvious to me at least, 
booting in Safe Mode made no difference, and verbose logging turned up 
nothing.


However, I did discover a tip posted a couple of years ago, and that was 
to press ^T when the boot stalled. God knows what this does, but it 
turned up the following response:


load: 0.85 cmd:sendmail 454 [kqread] 0.00u 0.01s 0% 1912k

I thinks that answers all the things that were suggested - can anyone 
see a way of reinstating sendmail without the stalled boot process, and 
without having to reserve specific IP addresses for each computer?


Barnaby Scott




Prequel:  I know nothing about dhclient/DHCP interfaces other
than if I want one, I can put "ifconfig foo1="DHCP" in rc.conf.

If you can figure out what your address is post-booting, you
should be able to create a simple wrapper script and run it from
cron via the "@reboot" tag.

Pseudo-code:
   sleep(5 min);
   write "my.ip.ad.ress" >> /etc/hosts
   sh /etc/rc.d/sendmail start

But, I'd strongly advise you to use a static IP if your
host needs to be an MTA.  Otherwise, configure your MUA's
to use a real MTA (which have static IP's, DNS, etc., etc.).

Kevin Kinsey


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RE: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread fbsd


"As a port maintainer, it's quite enough work to keep things in sync
with one
ports tree without having to also worry about a second "convenience"
tree
that will only benefit a few users."

This post says nothing about a second "convenience" tree.
Talking about a (to use your term) "convenience" category
which fits nicely into the category schema all ready being used.

Please read the original post more closely so your comments
pertains to what was posted.

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Beech Rintoul

On Saturday 13 May 2006 10:28, fbsd wrote:
> To all question list readers;
>
> Now with 14576 ports in the collection where do you
> draw the line that its too large to be downloading
> the whole collection when you just use 10 or 20 of them?
> The port collection is growing at a ever increasing rate per month.
> The mass majority of the ports are so special purpose that only a
> very few people have need of them. Sure there are ways to limit
> the categories you select to download, but still the size of
> the most used categories is too large and loaded with ports not
> commonly used by the general user.
>
> So people them use the packages. But the problem with the
> packages is they are not updated every time changes are
> made to the port they were created from. Also packages that
> have dependants like php4/php5 or mysql4/mysql5 are not being
> updated to use the newer versions of those dependants as they come
> out.
>
> I for one think the port/package collection has already grown to
> large to handle in it's present state.
> Users are consuming massive bandwidth to download and it
> consumes a very large chunk of disk space. Saying nothing about
> the wasted resources consumed to back it up repeatedly.
>
> I have gone to using the package version for everything and
> only downloading the ports config files for packages that
> I need to compile from scratch to change some add on function.
> This methodology has worked fine since FreeBSD version 3.0 as
> I used each new release of FreeBSD up to 6.1.
>
> Now in 6.1 there is problems with packages that have not been
> recreated using the new system make file.
> This problem is caused by there being no mandatory requirement on
> the ports maintainers to recreate the packages any time one of the
> dependants change or when changes are made to the canned make
> process
> or when dependants show up as broken. Yes I know what a large task
> this is and that it requires a lot of run time to accomplish.

Compiling a package is trivial, but it would be a security nightmare to have 
maintainers be responsible for it. All packages are built in an environment 
known to be secure.  If you really want to help, consider donating some 
hardware to the build cluster.

>
> So my question is how do we users make our needs known
> to the ports maintainer group so that will seriously address
> the problem of the packages being outdated?
>
> Are there other people on this list who are dissatisfied with the
> packages and the problems associated with using packages and ports
> mixed together?
>
> What are your thoughts about requesting the ports group to create
> a new category containing just the ports most commonly used
> including
> their dependents and making this general category the default
> used to download. This would be a much smaller sized download
> containing everything necessary to build the most used ports.
> Many of the dependents are used over and over by many
> different port applications.
>
> This new category would them be given priority in keeping
> their packages up to date. Could even take this idea one step
> further
> and say that only ports in this category will have packages
> built and keep up to date. All ports not in this special
> category will not have packages built at all. I think this
> would help the port group to better manager their people resources
> and serve the needs of the user community better.
>
> Another idea I would like to throw out to the list is how about
> requesting the ports group to add a function to packages so the
> installer of the package can select what version of the dependent
> components should be included in the install.
> Much like "make config" does in the ports system?
> The packages system already automatically launches the download
> of dependent packages so why not give the installer the option to
> select which version of the dependent to fetch.
> Like in php4/5 or mysql4/5 or apache 13/20. This way the package
> is more flexible and the port maintainer does not have to build
> a different version of the parent package for each version of
> the dependant which is available.
>
> The whole idea behind this post is to give the general users who
> reads this questions list an opportunity to brainstorm about ways to
> make the ports/package collection better and easier to use.
> This may help the ports group in understanding the needs and
> direction we the users would like to see the management of
> the collection to take.
> If we don't speak up they will just think things are ok as they are
> now.
> FreeBSD is a public project. The ports group are not the only
> users who can give input about the direction and policies
> concerning the future of the ports/package collection.
>
>
> All feedback welcome.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.


fbsd wrote:

To all question list readers;

Now with 14576 ports in the collection where do you
draw the line that its too large to be downloading
the whole collection when you just use 10 or 20 of them?





All feedback welcome.


1.  Cvsup
2.  Prozac


/me rolls eyes, again

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Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread Beech Rintoul

First of all, please don't cross post.

On Saturday 13 May 2006 10:28, fbsd wrote:
> To all question list readers;
>
> Now with 14576 ports in the collection where do you
> draw the line that its too large to be downloading
> the whole collection when you just use 10 or 20 of them?
> The port collection is growing at a ever increasing rate per month.
> The mass majority of the ports are so special purpose that only a
> very few people have need of them. Sure there are ways to limit
> the categories you select to download, but still the size of
> the most used categories is too large and loaded with ports not
> commonly used by the general user.
>
> So people them use the packages. But the problem with the
> packages is they are not updated every time changes are
> made to the port they were created from. Also packages that
> have dependants like php4/php5 or mysql4/mysql5 are not being
> updated to use the newer versions of those dependants as they come
> out.
>
> I for one think the port/package collection has already grown to
> large to handle in it's present state.
> Users are consuming massive bandwidth to download and it
> consumes a very large chunk of disk space. Saying nothing about
> the wasted resources consumed to back it up repeatedly.
>
> I have gone to using the package version for everything and
> only downloading the ports config files for packages that
> I need to compile from scratch to change some add on function.
> This methodology has worked fine since FreeBSD version 3.0 as
> I used each new release of FreeBSD up to 6.1.
>
> Now in 6.1 there is problems with packages that have not been
> recreated using the new system make file.
> This problem is caused by there being no mandatory requirement on
> the ports maintainers to recreate the packages any time one of the
> dependants change or when changes are made to the canned make
> process
> or when dependants show up as broken. Yes I know what a large task
> this is and that it requires a lot of run time to accomplish.
>
> So my question is how do we users make our needs known
> to the ports maintainer group so that will seriously address
> the problem of the packages being outdated?
>
> Are there other people on this list who are dissatisfied with the
> packages and the problems associated with using packages and ports
> mixed together?
>
> What are your thoughts about requesting the ports group to create
> a new category containing just the ports most commonly used
> including
> their dependents and making this general category the default
> used to download. This would be a much smaller sized download
> containing everything necessary to build the most used ports.
> Many of the dependents are used over and over by many
> different port applications.

This will never work. I doubt if you could find agreement between two users as 
to what to include. We really don't need to go down the micro$oft "we decide 
what you need" approach to our ports. The binary update question has been 
discussed at length in these forums. 

There is nothing to stop you from making a local ports tree to better suit 
your situation. But don't complain if you find conflicts with the port tools 
and/or ports. The ports that are considered universal are already included 
and maintained as part of the base system.

As was stated in earlier replies, you need the complete ports tree otherwise 
you are on your own.

As a port maintainer, it's quite enough work to keep things in sync with one 
ports tree without having to also worry about a second "convenience" tree 
that will only benefit a few users. The lack of willingness on your part to 
download the complete tree does not constitute a problem on our end.

Beech

>
> This new category would them be given priority in keeping
> their packages up to date. Could even take this idea one step
> further
> and say that only ports in this category will have packages
> built and keep up to date. All ports not in this special
> category will not have packages built at all. I think this
> would help the port group to better manager their people resources
> and serve the needs of the user community better.
>
> Another idea I would like to throw out to the list is how about
> requesting the ports group to add a function to packages so the
> installer of the package can select what version of the dependent
> components should be included in the install.
> Much like "make config" does in the ports system?
> The packages system already automatically launches the download
> of dependent packages so why not give the installer the option to
> select which version of the dependent to fetch.
> Like in php4/5 or mysql4/5 or apache 13/20. This way the package
> is more flexible and the port maintainer does not have to build
> a different version of the parent package for each version of
> the dependant which is available.
>
> The whole idea behind this post is to give the general users who
> reads this questions list an opportunity to b

Re: makeworld FAILURE on 5.4-STABLE

Lowell Gilbert wrote:

> Kyrre Nygard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hello ...
> >
> > When doing makeworld, and this is my exact procedure:
> >
> > cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile
> > cd /usr/obj
> > chflags -R noschg
> > rm -rf *
> > cd /usr/src
> > make clean
> >
> > make buildworld (this is where it fails)
> >
> > make buildkernel KERNCONF=NINJA
> > make installkernel KERNCONF=NINJA
> > make installworld
> > mergemaster
> >
> > With this error:
> >
> > ===> usr.sbin/traceroute (all)
> > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> > -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> > -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> > -DIPSEC 
> > -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c version.c
> > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> > -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> > -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> > -DIPSEC 
> > -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c 
> > /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c
> > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> > -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> > -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> > -DIPSEC 
> > -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c 
> > /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/ifaddrlist.c
> > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> > -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> > -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> > -DIPSEC 
> > -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c 
> > /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/findsaddr-socket.c
> > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> > -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> > -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> > -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> > -DIPSEC 
> > -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl   -o 
> > traceroute version.o traceroute.o ifaddrlist.o findsaddr-socket.o -lipsec
> > traceroute.o(.text+0x7): In function `usage':
> > : undefined reference to `version'
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute.
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin.
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/src.
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/src.
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Stop in /usr/src.
> >
> > Does anyone know what I can do to fix it?
> 
> Did you have sources before you ran cvsup?
> What did the supfile look like?

I believe it should be:

chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/usr
rm -rf /usr/obj/usr
cd /usr/src
make cleandir
make cleandir

Yes, the 'make cleandir' statement is run twice.

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Has the port collection become to large to handle.

2006-05-13 Thread fbsd

To all question list readers;

Now with 14576 ports in the collection where do you
draw the line that its too large to be downloading
the whole collection when you just use 10 or 20 of them?
The port collection is growing at a ever increasing rate per month.
The mass majority of the ports are so special purpose that only a
very few people have need of them. Sure there are ways to limit
the categories you select to download, but still the size of
the most used categories is too large and loaded with ports not
commonly used by the general user.

So people them use the packages. But the problem with the
packages is they are not updated every time changes are
made to the port they were created from. Also packages that
have dependants like php4/php5 or mysql4/mysql5 are not being
updated to use the newer versions of those dependants as they come
out.

I for one think the port/package collection has already grown to
large to handle in it's present state.
Users are consuming massive bandwidth to download and it
consumes a very large chunk of disk space. Saying nothing about
the wasted resources consumed to back it up repeatedly.

I have gone to using the package version for everything and
only downloading the ports config files for packages that
I need to compile from scratch to change some add on function.
This methodology has worked fine since FreeBSD version 3.0 as
I used each new release of FreeBSD up to 6.1.

Now in 6.1 there is problems with packages that have not been
recreated using the new system make file.
This problem is caused by there being no mandatory requirement on
the ports maintainers to recreate the packages any time one of the
dependants change or when changes are made to the canned make
process
or when dependants show up as broken. Yes I know what a large task
this is and that it requires a lot of run time to accomplish.

So my question is how do we users make our needs known
to the ports maintainer group so that will seriously address
the problem of the packages being outdated?

Are there other people on this list who are dissatisfied with the
packages and the problems associated with using packages and ports
mixed together?

What are your thoughts about requesting the ports group to create
a new category containing just the ports most commonly used
including
their dependents and making this general category the default
used to download. This would be a much smaller sized download
containing everything necessary to build the most used ports.
Many of the dependents are used over and over by many
different port applications.

This new category would them be given priority in keeping
their packages up to date. Could even take this idea one step
further
and say that only ports in this category will have packages
built and keep up to date. All ports not in this special
category will not have packages built at all. I think this
would help the port group to better manager their people resources
and serve the needs of the user community better.

Another idea I would like to throw out to the list is how about
requesting the ports group to add a function to packages so the
installer of the package can select what version of the dependent
components should be included in the install.
Much like "make config" does in the ports system?
The packages system already automatically launches the download
of dependent packages so why not give the installer the option to
select which version of the dependent to fetch.
Like in php4/5 or mysql4/5 or apache 13/20. This way the package
is more flexible and the port maintainer does not have to build
a different version of the parent package for each version of
the dependant which is available.

The whole idea behind this post is to give the general users who
reads this questions list an opportunity to brainstorm about ways to
make the ports/package collection better and easier to use.
This may help the ports group in understanding the needs and
direction we the users would like to see the management of
the collection to take.
If we don't speak up they will just think things are ok as they are
now.
FreeBSD is a public project. The ports group are not the only
users who can give input about the direction and policies
concerning the future of the ports/package collection.


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Re: very slow boot (newbie)

2006-05-13 Thread Barnaby Scott

Many thanks to all who have helped me on this one - I won't post a 
message in response to every suggestion, but they have all helped - 
thank you!


It turns out it was sendmail causing the delay, so now my /etc/rc.comf 
reads:


hostname="frankbruno"
ifconfig_re0="DHCP"
keymap="uk.iso"
linux_enable="YES"
moused_enable="YES"
saver="logo"
usbd_enable="YES"
sendmail_enable="NONE"

(Someone asked what was in this file). The last line that I have just 
added does cure the problem. But...


...it does not cure the problem for me if I decide that I do want 
sendmail! I could cross that bridge when I come to it, but I would 
prefer to gain some insight here if anyone can bear any more on this topic.


Adding
127.0.0.1   frankbruno
to /etc/hosts did not cure the problem. Could that be because the lookup 
that causes the delay is a reverse one? If so, it would be trying to 
find a name for 192.168.0.4 (I think that's the one I have been getting 
recently) which is still not in hosts.


I would rather not mess with the IP allocation if possible - having it 
automatic is much more useful and means I cannot create condradictory 
records in different places.


Looking in /var/run/dmesg.boot turned up nothing obvious to me at least, 
booting in Safe Mode made no difference, and verbose logging turned up 
nothing.


However, I did discover a tip posted a couple of years ago, and that was 
to press ^T when the boot stalled. God knows what this does, but it 
turned up the following response:


load: 0.85 cmd:sendmail 454 [kqread] 0.00u 0.01s 0% 1912k

I thinks that answers all the things that were suggested - can anyone 
see a way of reinstating sendmail without the stalled boot process, and 
without having to reserve specific IP addresses for each computer?


Barnaby Scott


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Re: No 'root' entry in /var/mail

On 5/13/06, Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You can create that file, or set your account to get the root mail in
/etc/mail/aliases. Be sure to run newaliases if you do that.

 -Derek

At 12:47 PM 5/13/2006, Gerard Seibert wrote:
>I just installed the new FBSD 6.1 on a new HD. The installation went
>well. Shortly after installation, Sendmail started complaining. I
>discovered that there is no entry for 'root' in the /var/mail directory.
>I can 'su' into root, so I know it exists. It was always there on
>previous versions of FSBD.
>
>Should I try to create the user 'root', or just ignore it? I do not want
>to mess up the system.
>
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That is what I did. I just had not had time to setup Sendmail, etc.
since I had only just installed the new OS. I am really curious though
as to why there was no root entry there.
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Re: No 'root' entry in /var/mail

I don't know why it wasn't created.  It was in older versions of FreeBSD.

-Derek

At 01:08 PM 5/13/2006, Gerard Seibert wrote:

On 5/13/06, Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You can create that file, or set your account to get the root mail in
/etc/mail/aliases. Be sure to run newaliases if you do that.

 -Derek

At 12:47 PM 5/13/2006, Gerard Seibert wrote:
>I just installed the new FBSD 6.1 on a new HD. The installation went
>well. Shortly after installation, Sendmail started complaining. I
>discovered that there is no entry for 'root' in the /var/mail directory.
>I can 'su' into root, so I know it exists. It was always there on
>previous versions of FSBD.
>
>Should I try to create the user 'root', or just ignore it? I do not want
>to mess up the system.
>
>--
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That is what I did. I just had not had time to setup Sendmail, etc.
since I had only just installed the new OS. I am really curious though
as to why there was no root entry there.

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Re: No 'root' entry in /var/mail

You can create that file, or set your account to get the root mail in 
/etc/mail/aliases. Be sure to run newaliases if you do that.


-Derek


At 12:47 PM 5/13/2006, Gerard Seibert wrote:

I just installed the new FBSD 6.1 on a new HD. The installation went
well. Shortly after installation, Sendmail started complaining. I
discovered that there is no entry for 'root' in the /var/mail directory.
I can 'su' into root, so I know it exists. It was always there on
previous versions of FSBD.

Should I try to create the user 'root', or just ignore it? I do not want
to mess up the system.


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I just installed the new FBSD 6.1 on a new HD. The installation went
well. Shortly after installation, Sendmail started complaining. I
discovered that there is no entry for 'root' in the /var/mail directory.
I can 'su' into root, so I know it exists. It was always there on
previous versions of FSBD.

Should I try to create the user 'root', or just ignore it? I do not want
to mess up the system.


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Cvsup verses Portsnap

2006-05-13 Thread Tom Moore

Hi guys.
Which program is best for retrieving and keeping the ports tree up to date?
What are some pros and cons of each approach?
Is one method better than the other?

Tom

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Re: after upgrade from 6.0 to 6.1

If you followed those instructions, you used the wrong cvsup tag.  Set the 
tag to:

*default release=cvs delete tag=RELENG_6_1

in your cvsupfile, and rebuild everything again.

-Derek


At 10:27 AM 5/13/2006, Marwan Sultan wrote:

Hello everyone,

  After years of using freebsd i decided this time to make upgrades 
insted of fresh install,

  I'm on 6.0-Release and decided to upgrade to 6.1-R

  I did whats excatly on https://mikestammer.com/doku.php?id=updateos
  after comparing it to
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html

  The upgrade steps went sucssuflly without an issue or an error,

  After the upgrades Done, and reboot, i checked the version by uname -a
 it was still showing 6.0Release ? isnt suppoze to be 6.1-Release ?

$ uname -a
FreeBSD Host_Here 6.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Sat May 13 
11:34:05 UTC 2006 Host_Here:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


 did I do anything wrong?
 Is there any missing step?
 Please note that I didnot have any custom kernel and i did
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel
 without KERNCONF=MYKERNEL variable? correct?

Any Advise?
how to make it 6.1-Release.

Thank you.
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Re: after upgrade from 6.0 to 6.1


Marwan Sultan wrote:

Hello everyone,

  After years of using freebsd i decided this time to make upgrades 
insted of fresh install,

  I'm on 6.0-Release and decided to upgrade to 6.1-R

  I did whats excatly on https://mikestammer.com/doku.php?id=updateos
  after comparing it to
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html

  The upgrade steps went sucssuflly without an issue or an error,

  After the upgrades Done, and reboot, i checked the version by uname -a
 it was still showing 6.0Release ? isnt suppoze to be 6.1-Release ?

$ uname -a
FreeBSD Host_Here 6.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Sat May 13 
11:34:05 UTC 2006 Host_Here:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


 did I do anything wrong?


Looks like it.


 Is there any missing step?


Yes, if the below is all you did.  Remember that
a OS is a kernel and a "userland" or accompanying
software that the system uses to interact with
the kernel.


 Please note that I didnot have any custom kernel and i did
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel
 without KERNCONF=MYKERNEL variable? correct?

Any Advise?
how to make it 6.1-Release.


See the handbook and Do the Right Thing(TM) ;-)

You must:

1.  Fetch the new sources, usually via cvsup.
2.  Read /usr/src/UPDATING.
3.  If needed, run "mergemaser -p"
4.  Build a new "world" (all userland programs, libs, utils).
5.  Configure your kernel, if desired.
6.  Build a new kernel.
7.  Install the new kernel.
8.  Reboot, preferably in single user mode.
9.  Install the world.
10.  Run 'mergemaster' to update /etc.

I run two scripts that handle everything except 'mergemaster'
and the reading of UPDATING (which, :o, I read often after
the world fails to build instead of before...)  But, since
I'm still working and simply checking me mail periodically,
it's no big deal to me, personally.  I've attached them for
reference --- if you choose to use them, it's at your own
risk, of course.  But you could easily adapt them and test
them and use them yourself if you know sh scripting at all.

Now, if you did indeed follow the correct procedure, I'd
check your supfile first, because you may have fetch the
wrong source code

Kevin Kinsey
#!/bin/sh

#  By Kevin Kinsey.  See /COPYRIGHT for details on the
#  BSD license, incorporated herein by reference.

# Variables.  Change to match your setup, paths, etc.

   HOST=`hostname`
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   CVSUPLOGFILE=/home/me/logs/cvsup.src.log
   WORLDLOGFILE=/home/me/logs/buildworld.log
   KERNELLOGFILE=/home/me/logs/kernel.log
   SUPFILE=/stable-supfile
   KERNCONF=/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC
   KERNINSTLOG=/home/me/logs/kern.inst.log
   KERNELMESSAGE=/home/me/scripts/kernelmessage.txt

# STEP ONE - CVSUP

#Get to proper wd
   cd /usr/src

# CVSup the source tree
   /usr/local/bin/cvsup $SUPFILE > $LOGFILE 2>&1

#report the activity
   /bin/echo "$HOSTNAME cvsup script reporting" > /tmp/buildlogfoo
   /bin/echo " " >> /tmp/buildlogfoo
   tail $CVSUPLOGFILE >> /tmp/buildlogfoo
   /bin/cat /tmp/buildlogfoo | /usr/bin/mail -s "Server Report $HOST CVSup" 
$MAILTO

# clean up
   /bin/rm /tmp/buildlogfoo

# STEP 2: buildworld
   /usr/bin/make buildworld > $WORLDLOGFILE 2>&1

# report
   /bin/echo "$HOST buildworld script reporting" > /tmp/buildlogfoo
   /bin/echo " " >> /tmp/buildlogfoo
   tail $WORLDLOGFILE >> /tmp/buildlogfoo
   /bin/cat /tmp/buildlogfoo | /usr/bin/mail -s "Server Report $HOST 
Buildworld" $MAILTO
   /bin/rm /tmp/buildlogfoo

# This section is modified for my personal setup/preferences and should
# be omitted or changed for your needs.

# Set up kernel options for Firewall, Nat, Dummynet
#   /bin/echo " " >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo "# added by /home/me/scripts/buildworld.sh " >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo " " >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo "options   IPFIREWALL" >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo "options   IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=10" >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo "options   IPDIVERT" >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo "options   DUMMYNET" >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo "options   HZ=1000" >> $KERNCONF
#   /bin/echo " " >> $KERNCONF
 
# Build the kernel
   /usr/bin/make buildkernel > $KERNELLOGFILE 2>&1
   tail $KERNELLOGFILE > /tmp/kernelfoobuild
   /bin/cat $KERNELMESSAGE /tmp/kernelfoobuild | /usr/bin/mail -s "$HOST Kernel 
Build Report" $MAILTO
   /bin/rm /tmp/kernelfoobuild 

# Install the new kernel
   /usr/bin/make installkernel > $KERNELINSTLOG 2>&1
   /bin/echo "Kernel installation report - $HOST " >> /tmp/kernelinstallfoo
   /bin/cat /tmp/kernelinstallfoo $KERNELINSTLOG | /usr/bin/mail -s "$HOST 
kernel install report" $MAILTO
   /bin/rm /tmp/kernelinstallfoo 
#! /bin/sh

# By Kevin Kinsey.  See ./COPYRIGHT for the BSD license,
# incorporated herein by reference.

#Variables
   $LOGFILE=/home/me/logs/worldinstall
   $HOST=`hostname`
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# Finish up the process by installing the world built in buildworld.sh
   cd /usr/src
   /usr/bin/make installworld > $LOGFILE 2>&1
   /bin/echo "$HOST reporting on World Install" > /tmp/w

Re: Given this chunk of makefile, how do I set this to build the plugin?

2006-05-13 Thread Giorgos Keramidas

On 2006-05-13 09:42, Oliver Iberien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is from the latest port of gnash. I can't coax it into building
> the plugin. What is the option I pass to make to get it to build?
>
>  +OPTIONS=  PLUGIN  "Enable firefox plugin" off
>  +
>  +.include 
>  +
>  +.if !defined(WITH_PLUGIN)
>  +CONFIGURE_ARGS+=  --disable-plugin
>  +PLIST_SUB+=   PLUGIN="@comment "
>  +.else
>  +USE_GNOME+=   atk pango gtk20
>  +LIB_DEPENDS+= gtkglext-x11-1.0.2:${PORTSDIR}/x11-toolkits/gtkglext
>  +PLIST_SUB+=   PLUGIN=""
>  +.endif

The Makefile supports the 'OPTIONS' configuration stuff.  So, to make
sure it's reconfigured, start with:

# cd /usr/ports/graphics/gnash
# make rmconfig

Then rebuild the port, and you should see a menu of options.
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Given this chunk of makefile, how do I set this to build the plugin?

2006-05-13 Thread Oliver Iberien

This is from the latest port of gnash. I can't coax it into building the 
plugin. What is the option I pass to make to get it to build?

Thanks!

Oliver


 +OPTIONS=  PLUGIN  "Enable firefox plugin" off
 +
 +.include 
 +
 +.if !defined(WITH_PLUGIN)
 +CONFIGURE_ARGS+=  --disable-plugin
 +PLIST_SUB+=   PLUGIN="@comment "
 +.else
 +USE_GNOME+=   atk pango gtk20
 +LIB_DEPENDS+= gtkglext-x11-1.0.2:${PORTSDIR}/x11-toolkits/gtkglext
 +PLIST_SUB+=   PLUGIN=""
 +.endif
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Re: Putting FreeBSD to sleep?


Graham Bentley wrote:

Can anyone post some good pointers for setting
up ACPI or APM so that I get automatic susepend
afer x mins of inactivity and woken up on LAN
request ?

(in particular shut down disc / slow or shut
down psu fan - its the noise I am concerned
about)

I have looked at posts on rc.suspend/resume
for various power saving issues on laptops
but cant find and good resources on how to
do the above. Surely this must have been
done before by someone with a remote server
in a secret location :)

Thanks in advance for any advice :)



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Re: Help: Unable to change to SU through SSH


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I would recommend that you dont create an admin user. Create normal user 
accounts named after the user who will be logging in. Add users who will 
need to be able to do admin tasks to the wheel group. Then install sudo 
and configure it to allow users in the wheel group to run commands as 
root.




The reason this is a Good Thing(tm):  a large number of "in the wild"
exploit scripts/bots/programs already attempt to use a "admin" username
in their attempts to break your security (also, 'root', 'administrator',
'webmaster', 'bob', 'joe', 'fred', 'test', etc.).

I've yet to see one that tries to log in as "manjee", though, unless
it has parsed the username as part of an e-mail address in a web site
or server error page.  In e-mail, "aliases" to actual user accounts
should rule the day.

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Re: (6.1) KDE starts fine, "no" background(?)

2006-05-13 Thread David J Brooks

On Saturday 13 May 2006 09:49, Bill Schoolcraft wrote:
> Hello Family,
>
> First off, thanks to the FreeBSD team for yet another release and
> thanks again for the ability to install this new OS with floppies. I
> have a very good laptop with no CDROM.
>
> Now, I just installed, got X working fine, started KDE and the whole
> startup panels began, questions, etc.  Finished.
>
> But had "NO" background, just the toolbar appeared.  The apps work,
> just nothing but "black" for the background.
>
> This is a first for me since FreeBSD-3.4
>
> Thanks

I had the same problem a couple of weeks ago. It turned out that an upgrade of 
X had overwritten my nvidia-driver. Rebuilding the driver solved the problem.

HTH,
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Re: (6.1) KDE starts fine, "no" background(?)

2006-05-13 Thread Henry Lenzi


I don't quite recall it with great detail, but I believe there might
be a package for beautifying KDE that has the themes and all. You
might want to look at that.
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Re: New FreeBSD logo

2006-05-13 Thread Henry Lenzi


>you are attempting to destroy the new logo's image by imaturely
>calling it a "sex toy" and in turn are slowly taking away from those
>precious dollars put into aquiring it.


I'm sorry to say, but it was a bad choice.
The little devil has been with us for a long time. Apple has an apple,
Windows has a window, Linux has a penguin, we have an abstract red
thing no one can describe. When they do, they say things like "tits"
or "sex toy". It is too abstract. You want a logo people can easily
describe:

- Well, I use the FreeBSD oerating system.
- I've heard of it...Is it the one with the little red devil?
- Yeah, that's the one

Don't call people immature because they have a different opinion. I
doubt the new logo would last an hour in a advertising firm's
brainstorming session. I really hope the rationale wasn't something
like evangelical christians having problem with "the little red
devil."
And don't say people are being destructive when they simply are
questioning what some, like me, seem to think was a wrong "branding"
strategy, if you will (although some will not articulate it like
that). Were it not important, we would have white simple HTML pages on
www.freebsd.org. Granted, it's not terribly important, but like any
thing that's out there, people will comment. This being a free
project, people feel entitled to comment on the project's list.
Rightly so.

My 2 cents,

Henry Lenzi
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/dev/console

2006-05-13 Thread Martin Schweizer

Hello

After upgradeing to 5.4p14 I get this on the console:

[snip]
May 13 14:25:09 merkur kernel: Starting inetd.
May 13 14:25:09 merkur kernel: Starting background file system checks in 60 
seconds.
May 13 14:25:09 merkur kernel: /etc/rc: Cannot determine the PREFIX
- Where come 
this from?
May 13 14:25:09 merkur kernel: May 13 14:25:09 merkur init: can't get 
/dev/console for controlling terminal: Operation not permitted
May 13 14:25:42 merkur kernel: May 13 14:25:39 merkur init: can't get 
/dev/console for controlling terminal: Operation not apermitted
[snip]

I checked also the rights on /dev/console but seems ok.

merkur# ls -al /dev/console
crw---  1 root  wheel0,   0 13 Mai 15:22 /dev/console

Any ideas?



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Re: Help: Unable to change to SU through SSH

2006-05-13 Thread John . Dickinson

Nils Vogels wrote on 13/05/2006 09:43:24:

> Maan Jee wrote on 13-05-2006 10:31:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have created a user "admin" and using that to login through SSH from 
a
> > remote machine. But I CANNOT "su", change to the root login? How can I 
do
> > that?
> Add the user "admin" to the "wheel" group in /etc/groups.

I would recommend that you dont create an admin user. Create normal user 
accounts named after the user who will be logging in. Add users who will 
need to be able to do admin tasks to the wheel group. Then install sudo 
and configure it to allow users in the wheel group to run commands as 
root.

sudo has many advantages over using su. 
1. It logs every action so you can find out what you and other admin users 
did. This gives an audit trail and is very useful when you forget how you 
did something.
2. It puts a time limit on how long a user can run root tasks without 
re-entering their password. This prevents a user from forgetting they are 
root and leaving an unattended root console when they go to get a coffee.
3. You can, if necessary, control which commands a user can run as root.

Hope this helps
John
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Re: New FreeBSD logo

2006-05-13 Thread Adrian Pavone




The community doesen't want the new logo and the majority of the
community
prefers Beastie over the sex-toy.


Not that I want to upset anything, but I thought Beastie was the logo. 
Where might a see a copy of the "sex-toy"? Is it that ugly sphere with 
the 2 cones for ears?

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after upgrade from 6.0 to 6.1

2006-05-13 Thread Marwan Sultan


Hello everyone,

  After years of using freebsd i decided this time to make upgrades insted 
of fresh install,

  I'm on 6.0-Release and decided to upgrade to 6.1-R

  I did whats excatly on https://mikestammer.com/doku.php?id=updateos
  after comparing it to
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html

  The upgrade steps went sucssuflly without an issue or an error,

  After the upgrades Done, and reboot, i checked the version by uname -a
 it was still showing 6.0Release ? isnt suppoze to be 6.1-Release ?

$ uname -a
FreeBSD Host_Here 6.0-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE-p7 #0: Sat May 13 
11:34:05 UTC 2006 Host_Here:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386


 did I do anything wrong?
 Is there any missing step?
 Please note that I didnot have any custom kernel and i did
# make buildkernel
# make installkernel
 without KERNCONF=MYKERNEL variable? correct?

Any Advise?
how to make it 6.1-Release.

Thank you.
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Re: Help: Unable to change to SU through SSH

2006-05-13 Thread Adrian Pavone


Maan Jee wrote:


Hi

I have created a user "admin" and using that to login through SSH from a
remote machine. But I CANNOT "su", change to the root login? How can I do
that?

To Install a Web Server, which distribution I should install, User or 
other?


thanks

vj
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The user admin is a member of the group "wheel" is he?
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Re: New FreeBSD logo

2006-05-13 Thread David Stanford

On 5/13/06, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Stanford
>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:32 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD logo
>
>
>Why, oh why, would you post this?
>
>So help me to understand...The FreeBSD Project takes great effort in
>not only producing a truly _great_ operating system, trademarked as
>being fast, robust, stable and secure, provides it to the world for
>_free_, but also takes on the additional chore of attempting to
>promote its growth in the corporate market by  introducing a new
>logo...and then some, all for the community. And your repayment is to
>aid in these, now, endless rants of verbal bashing of the Project's
>logo, which had an obvious goal of gaining wider popularity among
>busnesses for the purposes of making it bigger and better for, yes,
>_you_ and every other one of its users.

Your missing something - "they" didn't ask all us users if we wanted
a new logo or not.

I wasn't aware they had to (?).

Maybe I'm going out on a limb
>here, and maybe I'm solo dangling out there on it, but I feel a need
>to say something in defense. They spent

they wasted

IYOO

much valued donation money for
>the logo and in legal fees, I'm sure, to obtain it, so I would assume
>(and hope) it's here to stay.

Unlikely.  Most corporate logos change every 10-20 years or so.  Some
also have a raft of logos.  For example Chrysler used to use the
medallion for it's logo.  Then they switched to the pentagram.  Now
they are back to the medallion and it's been redone.AT&T has also
changed logos, they used to use the bell then the Death Star, now
they are using a modifed Death Star.  Fads and fashions
in logos come and go.  The current FreBSD sex toy logo is very
much a current fashion, as abstract logos like that are all the
rage now.  But it's just going to get dated all the faster for that.

You have entirely too much time on your hands. But my statement meant that I
hoped the Project isn't swayed out of using the logo because of childish
posts such as these.

Furthermore, by continuing to post
>threads like this you (and others) are hardly contributing to the
>Project (or this list) and, in fact, are doing the exact opposite -
>you are attempting to destroy the new logo's image by imaturely
>calling it a "sex toy" and in turn are slowly taking away from those
>precious dollars put into aquiring it.

Why throw more good money after bad?

Not sure I know what this means. However, I would love to hear how this,
among your *many* other posts, has contributed to this list.

Maybe it's not the greatest
>logo, but, regardless, the logo doesn't affect the code. Try to keep
>that in mind. FreeBSD is a gift. And anyone who doesn't see that
>should take another look at Microsoft's pricing options for a simple
>Home edition of XP (now $99, five years after its initial release).
>Please do the community a favor: Just say thanks and move along.
>

The community doesen't want the new logo and the majority of the
community
prefers Beastie over the sex-toy.

You speak for the community?

**Of course, this was not aimed at the general community, but more
>specifically at the folks wasting everyone's inbox space the past few
>days with this nonsense.**
>

like yourself?

Agreed, and this will be my last post on the subject - though, I'm sure it
won't be yours...

Ted

-David
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Re: Dead tree documentation

2006-05-13 Thread Robert Huff


> As for general un*x books that are not FreeBSD-specific, the
> single best one I've used is _Essential_System_Administration_ by
> Aeleen Frisch. As a newbie I found this book enormously helpful
> and well worth having.

My vote: _Unix Systems Administration Handbook_ by Nemeth et
alia.  The third edition, now five years old, needs an update but is
still my "stranded on a desert island"* choice.


Robert Huff


* - You will be stranded on a desert island with disfunctional Unix
systems not of your choosing. You may take one printed book to help
you get them working. 
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(6.1) KDE starts fine, "no" background(?)

2006-05-13 Thread Bill Schoolcraft

Hello Family,

First off, thanks to the FreeBSD team for yet another release and
thanks again for the ability to install this new OS with floppies. I
have a very good laptop with no CDROM.

Now, I just installed, got X working fine, started KDE and the whole
startup panels began, questions, etc.  Finished.

But had "NO" background, just the toolbar appeared.  The apps work,
just nothing but "black" for the background.

This is a first for me since FreeBSD-3.4

Thanks

-- 
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sunshine, you would just be a desert."



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Re: Access from the internet

2006-05-13 Thread Bob Goodman

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>
>I am keeping state with the port 21 rule.  I am perplexed because
>everything
>works fine on the local LAN.
>
>On 5/12/06, Bob Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
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>> 6.0, and
>> >am having trouble connecting from the internet.  Basically I
>want
>> to ssh
>> >from work.  I set sshd_config to listen on all interfaces and
>on
>> port 21,
>> >this port is not blocked outbound from work.  I have ipfilter
>> rules allowing
>> >inbound on this port and interface.  I setup port forwarding on
>my
>> netgear
>> >router.  When I do a tcpdump I see myself hitting the interface
>of
>> my
>> >firewall, but sshd is not responding.  I get to my box, but no
>> dice.  Do you
>> >have any suggestions?  I would appreciate it.
>> >
>> >Thank you,
>> >
>> >Terry Stoner
>> >
>>
>> Are you certain that you allow both inbound traffic to your port
>21
>> and outbound traffic from your port 21? Something with "keep
>state"
>> in the ipfilters ruleset?
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RE: apache runs with 8 processes.

2006-05-13 Thread fbsd

Those tasks are started by the statements you have in httpd-conf.
It's normal.
If you have light apache server usage you can limit the number of
default tasks by making changes in httpd-conf


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: apache runs with 8 processes.



Hello,

My problem is apacheruns with 7 processes and none of them is
working
well.
It started yesterday when i installed PHP/5.1.4, everything looked
fine
exept for all these processes.

root 2955  0.0  4.3  7932  5300  ??  Ss1:43PM   0:00.70
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2956  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2957  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2958  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2959  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2960  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
root 3021  0.0  0.5  1416   592  p1  R+1:57PM   0:00.01 grep
httpd

Maybe someone could give me a hint.

Thanks in advance,
Justin.

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Re: How to require minium length passwords

Sean Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am trying to require users to put in 8 character passwords but as it 
> stands it will take 1 just fine. I Tried messing with the login.conf 
> file but it still looks like it accepts 1 character as an acceptable 
> password.  here is what i did.  Also will this restrict other programs 
> to the set minimum or can they just set the password to what there 
> parameters dictate? such as usermin password change util.

I think the normal way to enforce that is via PAM.  
I don't use it myself, but I think pam_passwdqc(8)
is what you need.
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Re: Changing from 6.0 to 6.1 ->"'.' to end pause mode"

2006-05-13 Thread Howard Jones


Lowell Gilbert wrote:

I thought that's what "-p" was supposed to mean in the boot flags...
  
Hmmm. It's intended to be auto-detecting the keyboard or switching to a 
serial console as appropriate. Somewhere my -P has become a -p.


Thanks for the pointer :-)
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Re: using rc scripts

"Atom Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I wrote an rc script for cfengine, but it's not recording the pid. Am
> I doing something obviously wrong, or does rc rely on the app to
> provide the pid?

Yes.  The application has to provide the pid.  In the base system,
many do this by default, but most third party applications have to be
configured to do so.
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Re: makeworld FAILURE on 5.4-STABLE

Kyrre Nygard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello ...
>
> When doing makeworld, and this is my exact procedure:
>
> cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile
> cd /usr/obj
> chflags -R noschg
> rm -rf *
> cd /usr/src
> make clean
>
> make buildworld (this is where it fails)
>
> make buildkernel KERNCONF=NINJA
> make installkernel KERNCONF=NINJA
> make installworld
> mergemaster
>
> With this error:
>
> ===> usr.sbin/traceroute (all)
> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> -DIPSEC 
> -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c version.c
> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> -DIPSEC 
> -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c 
> /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c
> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> -DIPSEC 
> -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c 
> /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/ifaddrlist.c
> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> -DIPSEC 
> -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl  -c 
> /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/findsaddr-socket.c
> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -DHAVE_SYS_SELECT_H=1 
> -DHAVE_SYS_SOCKIO_H=1  -DHAVE_NET_ROUTE_H=1 
> -DHAVE_NET_IF_DL_H=1  -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 
> -DHAVE_USLEEP=1  -DHAVE_SYS_SYSCTL_H=1  -DHAVE_SETLINEBUF=1 
> -DHAVE_RAW_OPTIONS=1  -DHAVE_SOCKADDR_SA_LEN=1 -DHAVE_ICMP_NEXTMTU=1 
> -DIPSEC 
> -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute/../../contrib/traceroute/lbl   -o 
> traceroute version.o traceroute.o ifaddrlist.o findsaddr-socket.o -lipsec
> traceroute.o(.text+0x7): In function `usage':
> : undefined reference to `version'
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin/traceroute.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src/usr.sbin.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/src.
>
> Does anyone know what I can do to fix it?

Did you have sources before you ran cvsup?
What did the supfile look like?
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Re: Changing from 6.0 to 6.1 ->"'.' to end pause mode"

Howard Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've been experimenting with PXE-driven installations in preparation for 
> the arrival of a pile of new servers, and I had a mostly-working setup 
> for FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE when 6.1 was announced this week.
>
> I've upgraded to 6.1 on my build system, and have it serving install 
> data and an mfsroot with my own install.cfg in it. It all works fine 
> except that after the target system reboots, and apparently every time 
> it boots, I get this:
>   ""
> and have to press . to start the boot process proper.
>
> Has something changed in the console? The same system was fine with 
> 6.0-RELEASE. One other possibly relevant thing is that my install script 
> does set /boot.config to contain '-p'. Has something happened with 
> keyboard detection that would make the pause mode come on? It seems that 
> this pause mode has been in the console code for a while, although I 
> didn't know about it until now.

I thought that's what "-p" was supposed to mean in the boot flags...
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gmirror with not the whole disk

2006-05-13 Thread Wojciech Puchar


can i do (for example)

gmirror label -b round-robin something ad2e ad3e

where ad2e and ad3e are same sized PARTITIONS on disk.

i would like to have about half a disk mirrored, and half not as 2 
partitions to store not vital data (like squid files)


will it work?
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Re: I keep having wrong checksum in 6.1 iso download (what should I do??)

2006-05-13 Thread Kimberly-Clark E-mail Administration (WSS)

Adrian Pavone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> From what I read about the checksums for 6.1, the checksum was 
> generated with a checksum actually being present in the ISO (which was 
> then overwritten by the newly developed checksum). As such, the checksum 
> will never match, as a checksum can never match if it is included in the 
> file that is being checksummed (well, in theory, it is possible for it 
> to match, but the algorithm to calculate it and processing power 
> required is astronomically complex).
>
> It is possible I am thinking of a different FreeBSD ISO, but I am sure 
> it was one of the 6's, and there are only 2 of those.

6.1 does match the checksum.  

If yours doesn't, it isn't correct.
The most common cause of this is downloading in (FTP) "ASCII" mode,
which will corrupt the file.
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apache runs with 8 processes.

2006-05-13 Thread justin



Hello,

My problem is apacheruns with 7 processes and none of them is working 
well.
It started yesterday when i installed PHP/5.1.4, everything looked fine 
exept for all these processes.


root 2955  0.0  4.3  7932  5300  ??  Ss1:43PM   0:00.70 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2956  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2957  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2958  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2959  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  2960  0.0  4.4  7960  5344  ??  I 1:43PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd

root 3021  0.0  0.5  1416   592  p1  R+1:57PM   0:00.01 grep httpd

Maybe someone could give me a hint.

Thanks in advance,
Justin.

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Re: Console image viewer

2006-05-13 Thread Lars Eighner


On Sat, 13 May 2006, Steve P. wrote:


Anyone know of a decent jpg viewer for the console?

I don't want to install X.


zgv in the ports/graphics.  This works well as a stand-alone or as the non-X
viewer for lynx, etc.

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Re: Pros and Cons of running under inetd....

I did not give any more information about the security hole as I don't 
recall the exact exploit.  However from my bad memory it was something that 
inet can inadvertently run an application which can easily get root 
privileges.  Inet itself runs as root.  If you want the real details, as I 
previously said, you can look it up in the security archives on the FreeBSD 
lists or in SANS postings at sans.org.


-Derek


At 08:35 PM 5/12/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 08:42 PM 5/12/2006, Eric Schuele wrote:
You say tcpwrappers are compiled into ftpd?  Are you sure?  How can I 
"enable" or otherwise use them?  If I add things to hosts.allow they seem 
to have no influence.  This would solve my problem as I would not need inetd.


My Bad.  It seems it does not.  It's running from inetd on the box I 
regularly edit hosts.allow on.


The performance benefit inetd once offered -- not having a lot of 
background process for seldom used services -- is not a big deal 
today.  But security-wise, spawning other programs that would just be 
directly listening on a port otherwise doesn't seem terribly 
insecure.  Could it even be argued beneficial? -- you have a single, 
simple piece of code accepting the initial connections, instead of 20 
processes doing the same thing with 20 different pieces of code, any one 
of which could have an exploit.  If an exploit was conceived that could 
take advantage lots of programs listening on any old socket, it seems the 
vulnerability would be lessened, or at least easier to fix.


I don't claim to be an expert security guy or OS programmer, but so far I 
haven't heard an explanation besides "don't do that".


   -Wayne
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Re: Bug in Apache 1.3.35 ... or something changed ... ?

2006-05-13 Thread dick hoogendijk

On 12 May Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> * Upgrade to 2.0 or 2.2 (recommended unless you use Apache modules
> which don't support it)

That is exactly what I will do soon. I know there will be a needed
rewrite of the apache.conf but also would like to know if there exists
an easy way to make this change.
Something like "portupgrade -o www/apache22 apache" ??
Or would it be better to deinstall php, mysql and apache and start from
scratch?

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Re: Pros and Cons of running under inetd....

There are two ways to run these at boot.  The more standard way is to 
create an rc script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d

Whatever scripts you create must have .sh extension to run at boot.

For instance you would create ftp-proxy.sh in that directory with the 
single line to execute the ftp-proxy with any command line options you need 
or want.  You would do the same creating a fam.sh file with the commandline 
for fam.

The other metod is to run these from cron on boot, using the @reboot for 
the time to run these.  You can do a

man 5 crontab
to see the exact syntax.

As an aside, I have fam installed on one 6.1 server, but I believe it is 
being run from within gnome, as there is no entry for it to run in inet, rc 
scripts, or cron.

-Derek

At 05:24 AM 5/13/2006, dick hoogendijk wrote:

On 12 May Eric Schuele wrote:
> Derek Ragona wrote:
> >Yes it is still true today.  The default system now has inetd running
> >nothing.  And the ports now install rc scripts for these reasons.
>
> Not arguing here... everything I've found on the web says something
> similar.
>
> But why do we have inetd?  I assume it solved a problem in the past,
> that no longer exists.  Not to mention its spotted security history.
>
> >For network daemons, when they are running in a listen mode there is
> >no real overhead on the system.

OK, I run inetd for just these two services:

#
# FAM: File Alteration Monitor [devel/fam]
sgi_fam/1-2 stream rpc/tcp wait root /usr/local/bin/fam fam
#
# an appropriate block rule to your pf.conf
#
ftp-proxy stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/ftp-proxy ftp-proxy

If inetd is a security risk how can I change these things to work
without inetd? As I understand thare is no other way, but I'm very keen
on learning ;-)

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Re: An FTP alternative ?

You might want to look at vsftpd in the ports.  You can use this for secure 
and encrypted connections, as well as varying permissions.


-Derek


At 09:57 PM 5/12/2006, Leo Lapousterle wrote:

Hello :)

I'm fed up with FTP servers : FTP is great, but I need some admin stuff
like privileges (one user can upload but not download, for example)
unavailable for FTP... at least for those I've tested.

Is there an alternative way for FTP, allowing individual privileges?
I found hxd (hotline protocol, I used it 7 years ago!), it's very powerful
but quite discontinued...

Anybody has another idea? :)
Thanks!

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Re: FreeBSD Port: phpMyAdmin-2.8.0.3

2006-05-13 Thread dick hoogendijk

On 12 May fbsd wrote:

> How is a normal port user suppose to know to do make config  to set
> options first?

Anybody using the ports tree KNOWS or *should* know he/she has to read
/usr/ports/UPDATING before using it.
In that file it is very clearly stated you should do a "make config" in
lang/php4/php5 due to recent changes!

> This should just pop up in persons face on make install.

It does when running for the first time; it also does after you've
deleted /var/db/ports/

Lat but not least: using ports implicates you are running a *complete*
and up2date portsystem (as you can verify on the freebsd website).
Obviously you're not willing to do so; hence stop complaining about
things you are doing onto yourself!

If not, people might think you are just trolling.

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Re: Pros and Cons of running under inetd....

2006-05-13 Thread dick hoogendijk

On 12 May Eric Schuele wrote:
> Derek Ragona wrote:
> >Yes it is still true today.  The default system now has inetd running
> >nothing.  And the ports now install rc scripts for these reasons.
> 
> Not arguing here... everything I've found on the web says something
> similar.
> 
> But why do we have inetd?  I assume it solved a problem in the past,
> that no longer exists.  Not to mention its spotted security history.
> 
> >For network daemons, when they are running in a listen mode there is
> >no real overhead on the system.

OK, I run inetd for just these two services:

#
# FAM: File Alteration Monitor [devel/fam]
sgi_fam/1-2 stream rpc/tcp wait root /usr/local/bin/fam fam
#
# an appropriate block rule to your pf.conf
#
ftp-proxy stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/ftp-proxy ftp-proxy

If inetd is a security risk how can I change these things to work
without inetd? As I understand thare is no other way, but I'm very keen
on learning ;-)

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FTP behind NAT

2006-05-13 Thread Jacek Gawrych


hi,

i'm using FreeBSD as a firewall(IPF)/gateway with external IP 
10.15.0.10/16 and internal 192.168.0.250/24. inside LAN i have passive 
ftp server with 192.168.0.252/24. how should i configure ipnat 
(/etc/ipnat.rules)?


thx for any piece of advice
jacek
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RE: New FreeBSD Logo

>-Original Message-
>From: Greg Barniskis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:36 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: cpghost; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo
>
>
>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>
>> I take affront to such answers because of the simple fact that it's
>> obvious that your perfectly valid answer isn't a real answer.  A real
>> answer would be something that would get rid of this continual
>> resurgence of this discussion.
>
>Thus the suggestion that folks pursue it in a forum where PR might
>actually be germane, and in a way that might actually bear results.

But that isn't a real answer since the people that put in the new
logo don't want to change things no matter how many people scream
about it.  As long as the new logo is in place and it is as bad as
it is, we are going to see this erupt here periodically.  Why?  Because
as new people come in and start using questions@ they are going to
comment about it and the whole argument is going to start over again.

If barking about it on a different forum would actually make a difference
you would see people doing it on that forum.  But it won't, and we
all know it.

This is exactly like the motorcycle helmet law arguments.  The slight
majority of motorcycle riders are opposed to helmet laws, why?  Because
too large a percentage of riders are flipping idiots and the rest of the
anti-helmet-law percentage of riders are stuck in some born-to-be-wild
fantasy about how they aren't opposed to helmets, but people should
have a 'choice'.

But it's apparent
to the rest of the general population that since too many riders are
flipping idiots, we have to mandate helmet laws.  So we do, and
that has become a sore point on online motorcycle forums and you
can expect to see periodic eruptions of the argument on those
forums, basically forever.

>
>Despite what 24-hour cable news channels might like to have us
>believe, % self-selected email senders <> % actually holding
>opinions. Asserting that these are valid statistics is nonsense.
>

Which is why I said "based on responses" I assume people reading
that would be intelligent enough to understand self-selected results.
But not all self-selected results are viewed as bullcrap.  Consumer
Reports
rakes in millions if not hundreds of millions of bucks and it's
auto ratings are completely self-selected, and is highly respected by
many
people.  Are you saying that Consumer Reports auto ratings are
nonsense? ;-)

>Like many folks who really don't care about the logo all that much
>one way or the other, I simply won't be reading or posting on this
>subject any more (making any future post counts that much less valid
>as statistics).
>

Since you don't have an opinion one way or another on the new logo
vs the old logo, you really shouldn't have posted to this thread in
the first place.

Ted

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