Re: normal mount points

[Chris Slothouber]

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On 2007-04-29 02:00, Graham North wrote:
> I am still hoping that somebody can tell me what /net and /host are - 
> inted?  samba??

As mentioned previously, no part of FreeBSD (port or package included)
would ever create directories outside of hier(7), i.e. /usr/local would
be the place to find user-installed software.

What is the contents of these directories?

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Re: normal mount points

[Graham North]

Hi Parv:
And also thanks to the other people who responded earlier.  I did not 
knowingly set up automounter - is this something I would have had to do? 
or part of a default install? 
I am still hoping that somebody can tell me what /net and /host are - 
inted?  samba??


Thanks again.
Graham/


btw: My previous send seems to have bounced...
It read:
Hmmm.  My system is 4.11 so that would explain /proc.   Could /net and 
/host be related to running apache or samba?  I did not knowingly create 
these "devices"  I haven't been as vigilant as I could have been for 
security (one of my reasons for an upcoming reinstall), so there is a 
possibility of the server being hijacked...?  But I don't want to assume 
the worst on false concersns..




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 28/04/07, Graham North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of
doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install
but also three additional (mount points?)
/proc
/net
/host

The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on
it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount
points?



Filesystem  1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   101297436926   895012 4%/
devfs   110   100%/dev
/dev/ad2s1d   5616214   716542  445037614%/home
/dev/ad0s1e   101297422352   909586 2%/tmp
. . .

Mount points are merely directories where devices
are mounted as part of the filesystem.  These can be
automatically mounted by a listing in /etc/fstab or manually
mounted using /sbin/mount.  That they show up in df's
listing means that something is in fact mounted on it.

Typing "mount" at a command prompt will give you a listing
of mounted devices like so:

/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/ad2s1d on /home (ufs, NFS exported, local, nosuid, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
. . .

As none of those above (/proc /net /host) are part of the
standard layout (Well, /proc was on 4.x and earlier) some-
one at some time has added them.




Parv wrote:

in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
wrote Jerry McAllister thusly...
  

On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:21:20AM -0700, Graham North wrote:



I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in
anticipation of doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new
machine.  The output gave me not just normal slices that were
created at install but also three additional (mount points?)
/proc
/net
/host
  

No problem.   /proc is sort of a psuedo file system that enables
some routines such as top to look at certain pieces of
information.

Probably /net and /host are also psuedo file systems, but I have
never seen them before.  If they are legit, they are for something
I do not run.



Could it be that /{ne,hos}t mount points are due to use of
a{manda,utomounter}?


  - Parv

  


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Re: normal mount points

[Chris Slothouber]

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On 2007-04-28 14:21, Graham North wrote:
> I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of 
> doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
> The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install 
> but also three additional (mount points?)
> /proc
> /net
> /host
> 
> The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on 
> it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount 
> points?

See `man hier`.

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Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[Jerry McAllister]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 10:20:27PM -0400, james thompson wrote:

> How difficult is FreeBSD to use in place of MS windows, say compared to 
> Apple OSX?  

Well, it depends on your personality and work habits and expectations.
I find FreeBSD easier to use than MS and have had very little contact
with MAC so can't say much about that one.But, I don't like the
windows way of working.  I prefer a command line and text based environment.

>  I believe it may be able to run Offide 98; can Office 98 
> with Publisher be ran on FreeBSD?  

You can get utilities called emulators and virtual environments to allow 
many MS type things to run, but you need to know that FreeBSD is not at 
all like MS Windows except that it runs on a computer and you can bring 
up multiple screens.   

The two are completely different and incompatible systems.  As an Operating 
System (OS), that is robust and secure and powerful, FreeBSD is much 
superior to MS-win, but it does things very differently.   Generally, 
if you really want to mainly use actual MS programs, then you probably 
really want to run MS, rather than trying to run them on FreeBSD.

>I want to use FreeBSD to compose 
> articles, and combine them into a Book for publication, as a Home Office 
> Operation by a person with little experience beyond windows.   In 1995, 
> I took a MicroComputer Operating Systems course in Windows 3.11 and DOS 
> 6.22.   I have used Windows 95, 98, and XP Home & upgraded to Media Edition.

There are many good alternatives to MS utilities for these things.
The OpenOffice system can substitute for MS Word and Excel, etc.

But those might not be the best for book writing.  Learning to create
with a straight text editor and include text markups for some formatting
language is probably a better solution.   Those are all readily available
in FreeBSD and are better in FreeBSD than in MS, actually.

But, FreeBSD takes some learning to use well.   Although once you do
learn about it, it will seem quite natural to use, it takes a while
to get to that point.   Learning by doing with handbook readily availble
is the way to go.   In the [not very] long run, it will be worth it.

jerry

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RE: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[Murray Taylor]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Garrett Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2007 4:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will 
> FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> OpenOffice in OSX still isn't that great either because there
> >> still isn't a native (Aqua) build.
> > 
> > I suspect the NeoOffice folks would be surprised to hear that :)
> 
> Yes >_>.. I mean that the latest and greatest version of OOo isn't 
> available for Aqua native yet. It's going to take another 
> year to port, 
> as someone has claimed already.
> 
> There was a big leap in terms of functionality from 1.x vs 
> 2.x in OOo, 
> but then again considering that the OP was asking about 
> running Office 
> 98 (:D..), I don't think he'd mind running the 1.x version binaries.
> 
> -Garrett


As the original poster wants to write books  may I suggest that he
use
a text editor and then a typesetter combination rather than any form of 
WYSIWYG wordprocessor.

IE use (insert favourite text editor here) then use the LaTeX / Tetex
port
to actually properly format the material as a book.

Yes there is a learning curve here, but the end result is all 
over a wordprocessed attempt.

mjt
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Re: normal mount points

[Parv]

in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
wrote Jerry McAllister thusly...
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:21:20AM -0700, Graham North wrote:
> 
> > I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in
> > anticipation of doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new
> > machine.  The output gave me not just normal slices that were
> > created at install but also three additional (mount points?)
> > /proc
> > /net
> > /host
> 
> No problem.   /proc is sort of a psuedo file system that enables
> some routines such as top to look at certain pieces of
> information.
> 
> Probably /net and /host are also psuedo file systems, but I have
> never seen them before.  If they are legit, they are for something
> I do not run.

Could it be that /{ne,hos}t mount points are due to use of
a{manda,utomounter}?


  - Parv

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Re: misc question #2:: howto stream .RAM/realplay via "kmplayer"??

[Gary Kline]

On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 12:32:37AM +0200, Danny Pansters wrote:
> On Saturday 28 April 2007 21:57:21 Gary Kline wrote:
> > I'm still building my backup DNS server on my remaining Kayak
> > playing with various window managers (aka "desktops"). Stuck.
> > To any browser/media/audio wizards out there in freebsd-land:
> >
> > A few weeks ago (after failing with both mozilla and firefox)
> > I tried the KDE broswer to stream video.  And after several
> > tries, got kmplayer working with Konqueror.  It streams windows
> > video and better yet, streams windows audio (using the Mplayer
> > backend).  But there are some NPR/PBS webcasts only in
> > real-audio.  After a few hours of poking around the web and
> > trying to reconfigure Konqueror I-give-up.
> >
> > I've reached the "File Association" -> "Audio" and to
> > "x-pn-realplay" {or something like that}, then I'm wedged.
> > Is there an honest textfile I can use to associate [.ra, .rm,
> > .ram] with /usr/X11R6/bin/realplay
> >
> > thanks for any help!
> >
> >
> > gary
> 
> First, you need to confirm that you can play Real in kmplayer. You must have 
> the win32 codecs. Fast forward and such in a Real stream will be a bitch. But 
> it plays. Then you want to go through the mime types in konqueror's config 
> and set kmplayer to the first app to play such types with. And for embedding 
> (the other tab) set the kmplayer_part or whatsitcalled as the first or only.


Yeah, I finally finally clicked on the Other tab.  But then what?
Where are the mimetypes and config for konqueror??  
> 
> Mime types would include/have: vn-realmedia, rm, ra, ram, rv, smil, 
> vn-realaudio vn-realvideo, x-pn-realaudio, and several other older ones. If 
> you don't find them all at first you'll find them when encountering a oddly 
> mime-ified stream that wont play.
> 

I do have a ~/.mimetypes file on this server.  Maybe I'll 
just scp it over and see.


> There's another way to have Real with konqueror, and that is with the plugin 
> that comes with the realplayer port. It may have poor layout in the webpage 
> but at least it does support moving back and forth in the stream. To make 
> this work you use the linuxpluginwrapper port and an appropriate libmap.conf.

Well getting  the plugin is a no-brainer; same with the 
linuxwrapper/plugin port; but the libmap.cnf is another matter!
Do you have one to send?   Or anyone else on-list?

> 
> Both work reasonably well, or equally bad depending on the tilting of the 
> earth and the humidity on the moon :) I usually prefer kmplayer because it 
> can be used as a general a/v plugin replacement in konqueror and if something 
> with Real doesn't work I can always try to "Open with.." realplayer instead.


:-)

I do the open-with and it starts to work/tries to, then hangs.
I'd just like to be able to watch the BBC/PBS stuff and listen to
Windose or Real streams without too much hassle!  

> 
> HTH,

So far, so good, thankee!

gary

> 
> Dan
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Quotas on 6.2

[Doug Hardie]

I understand quotas were broken in 6.1.  I am testing 6.2 where I  
thought they were working again.  However, it behaves considerably  
differently from 5.x.  I set both a hard and soft limit on a user to  
the same value.  Adding disk usage to that user past that limit  
succeeds.  quota shows the limit as having been exceeded but with a  
grace period of 7 days.  I don't want a grace period, but a hard  
limit.  I used edquota -t to change the grace periods for the  
partition to 1 day (per the man page).  However, it still shows a 7  
day grace period with quota and the limit is not enforced.  Did I  
miss something or is there still a problem with quotas.  Thanks.

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Re: normal mount points

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 11:21:20AM -0700, Graham North wrote:

> I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of 
> doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
> The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install 
> but also three additional (mount points?)
> /proc
> /net
> /host

No problem.   /proc is sort of a psuedo file system that enables
some routines such as top to look at certain pieces of information.

Probably /net and /host are also psuedo file systems, but I have 
never seen them before.  If they are legit, they are for something
I do not run.


> The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on 
> it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount 
> points?

A mount point is just a directory where the system attaches pointers
to some type of data structure.You create a mountpoint using
the mkdir command just like with a directory.  It only becomes a
mountpoint when something is attached to it - a file system or some
other system structure.   Of course, actual file systems such as
for / or /usr or /home  are  the most common seen, others, including
memory file systems can be created and attached to a directory.

When a filesystem is mounted over a directory, if there is something
else in the directory - other files and directories - they are covered
up until the attached item is unmounted.

That all probably isn't very clear, but it should at least let you
not worry too much.   

jerry

> Thanks,
> Graham/
> 
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> Vancouver BC
> Canada
> 
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> 
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Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:25 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:





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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
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Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam



On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their
mail
to not be greylisted.  For example, my cell phone's e-mail  
address is
in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server  
failure.

I would be pretty pissed off if Sprint suddenly started
greylisting.  It
isn't just dumb-ass users making stupid political decisions to  
reject

it, although in your case it probably was.


If it is a legitimate mail server, it would be promoted to the auto-
whitelist.  Not all mail is constantly greylisted by most intelligent
greylist systems.  Only the first few messages would be delayed,
until it is established as legitimate.



That won't work in my case since I generally only have a failure  
that causes
a problem which results in paging about once every 3 months or so.   
By the

 time the pages got through the
greylist it would be at least an hour later after the system had gone
down.  That isn't acceptable for a notification system.


What?  What do you mean, a failure that causes a problem which  
results in paging once every 3 months?


If your mail server tries to contact another mail server and it can't  
reach it, you're saying your mail server doesn't retry for an hour?


Even if it does take an hour, the fact that it retried the server on  
the other side doing the greylisting means it would be whitelisted  
after a couple mails.  If you're doing something SO critical that  
three or four mails delayed an hour, until you're establishes as a  
legit user, means life or death, you definitely should be doing  
something that backs up how you communicate with other sites, or  
you're not such a big fish that the other sites have already added  
you manually to their whitelists like AOL or Amazon mail servers  
would most likely be already, or other local ISPs that are known  
legit and I just don't feel like waiting for the system to add them  
automatically.

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Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Apr 28, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:





-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:45 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: User Questions
Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam


Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

[snip]

When I scan my maillogs I find that 22% of the hosts that  
generate a
greylisting entry retry the mail delivery and thus get  
whitelisted. The

other 78% don't attempt redelivery within the greylisting window.


That's probably par.

However, the reason your putting so much faith in the delaying,

is simply

that you aren't getting a lot of spam.

I have published e-mail addresses.  Without greylisting I got about
1500-2000 mail messages a day to each of them.




Greylisting isn't just about delaying. IIRC greylisting is  
filtering for

spam/ham based on behaviour in the message originators MTA. My
greylister is using two behavioural assumptions:

  Spamming MTA's don't have the capability to queue and retry  
mail.
Asking them to queue and retry will cause them to drop the mail on  
the

floor thus filtering spam.

  Spamming MTA's don't like to be tarpitted. Stuttering at  
them and

sizing the TCP Windows so they must wait will result in them
disconnecting before they can exchanged mail thus filtering spam.



Both of those are assumptions your making that are just not true  
anymore.

Spammers are adapting to greylisting.  I've been running it for at
least 2 years now and every month more and more spam is making it
past the greylist and getting caught by spamassassin.  As I mentioned
previously, it does not take a lot of programming effort to do it.


Sure they're adapting. They're also adapting to Spamassassin.  The  
fact that it doesn't take a lot of programming effort isn't the  
reason, though, since it doesn't take a lot of effort to NOT TOP POST  
yet people continue to do so.



When I first setup greylisting the results were literally spectacular.
Nowadays they are great, but not much beyond that.  All of the  
things your
saying about greylisting decreasing the load and all that are true,  
and
just because it's not as effective as it once was doesen't mean you  
should

not use it.  But, I am not blind to what my eyes are telling me.  In
aonther 5 years, greylisting will be like all other spamfilter
techniques, effective only against a minority of spam


And yet there are still people, despite the problem spammers are  
creating, who think that email is a vital and reliable service upon  
which to hinge the success or failure of their business relations.

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Linux md devices under FreeBSD

[Dylan Piergies]

Could somebody please tell me if there is any software capable of reading 
Linux md devices under FreeBSD (for transition purposes) or if lengthier, 
less convenient methods will be required?
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Re: misc question #2:: howto stream .RAM/realplay via "kmplayer"??

[Danny Pansters]

On Saturday 28 April 2007 21:57:21 Gary Kline wrote:
>   I'm still building my backup DNS server on my remaining Kayak
>   playing with various window managers (aka "desktops"). Stuck.
>   To any browser/media/audio wizards out there in freebsd-land:
>
>   A few weeks ago (after failing with both mozilla and firefox)
>   I tried the KDE broswer to stream video.  And after several
>   tries, got kmplayer working with Konqueror.  It streams windows
>   video and better yet, streams windows audio (using the Mplayer
>   backend).  But there are some NPR/PBS webcasts only in
>   real-audio.  After a few hours of poking around the web and
>   trying to reconfigure Konqueror I-give-up.
>
>   I've reached the "File Association" -> "Audio" and to
>   "x-pn-realplay" {or something like that}, then I'm wedged.
>   Is there an honest textfile I can use to associate [.ra, .rm,
>   .ram] with /usr/X11R6/bin/realplay
>
>   thanks for any help!
>
>
>   gary

First, you need to confirm that you can play Real in kmplayer. You must have 
the win32 codecs. Fast forward and such in a Real stream will be a bitch. But 
it plays. Then you want to go through the mime types in konqueror's config 
and set kmplayer to the first app to play such types with. And for embedding 
(the other tab) set the kmplayer_part or whatsitcalled as the first or only.

Mime types would include/have: vn-realmedia, rm, ra, ram, rv, smil, 
vn-realaudio vn-realvideo, x-pn-realaudio, and several other older ones. If 
you don't find them all at first you'll find them when encountering a oddly 
mime-ified stream that wont play.

There's another way to have Real with konqueror, and that is with the plugin 
that comes with the realplayer port. It may have poor layout in the webpage 
but at least it does support moving back and forth in the stream. To make 
this work you use the linuxpluginwrapper port and an appropriate libmap.conf.

Both work reasonably well, or equally bad depending on the tilting of the 
earth and the humidity on the moon :) I usually prefer kmplayer because it 
can be used as a general a/v plugin replacement in konqueror and if something 
with Real doesn't work I can always try to "Open with.." realplayer instead.

HTH,

Dan
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problem with php5 port & where ports are to look to see if dependants are available

[Bob]

The php5 port seems to look in the port dir tree for installed dependants
instead of the /ver/db/pkg
I have all of php5 dependants preinstalled as packages.

I install the dependants for (port named links. Which is a command line
browser) as packages and then do the make install clean command in the LINKS
port tree directory so I can change the install defaults to use sva support
and it finds all its dependants are loaded and complies fine.

Using this same technique for php5 it says the dependants are not installed
when I run the php5 port.  Looks like the port php5 is looking in the ports
directory tree to determine if the dependants are installed. I think this is
incorrect behavior.

Is this a problem in the way the php5 port is written?

It's my understanding that ports are suppose to be written to check
/ver/db/pkg to determine if dependants are available.





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Re: normal mount points

[Graham North]

Hmmm.  My system is 4.11 so that would explain /proc.   Could /net and 
/host be related to running apache or samba?  I did not knowingly create 
these "devices"  I haven't been as vigilant as I could have been for 
security (one of my reasons for an upcoming reinstall), so there is a 
possibility of the server being hijacked...?  But I don't want to assume 
the worst on false concersns..




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 28/04/07, Graham North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of
doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install
but also three additional (mount points?)
/proc
/net
/host

The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on
it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount
points?



Filesystem  1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   101297436926   895012 4%/
devfs   110   100%/dev
/dev/ad2s1d   5616214   716542  445037614%/home
/dev/ad0s1e   101297422352   909586 2%/tmp
. . .

Mount points are merely directories where devices
are mounted as part of the filesystem.  These can be
automatically mounted by a listing in /etc/fstab or manually
mounted using /sbin/mount.  That they show up in df's
listing means that something is in fact mounted on it.

Typing "mount" at a command prompt will give you a listing
of mounted devices like so:

/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/ad2s1d on /home (ufs, NFS exported, local, nosuid, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
. . .

As none of those above (/proc /net /host) are part of the
standard layout (Well, /proc was on 4.x and earlier) some-
one at some time has added them.



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Re: Login Conf not parsed ?

[Eric Crist]

On Apr 26, 2007, at 8:57 PMApr 26, 2007, Tommy Scheunemann wrote:


Hello everyone,

I'm running a FreeBSD 6.2 system, only have SSH access to it. The  
only user which is allowed to login had Bash (installed from the  
Ports) installed.
Since 2 days I can't login any longer - Bash misses a library. I  
tried to create a login_conf file in the users home directory but  
it seems that the file isn't parsed.

Content is:

--- snip ---

me:\
 :shell=/bin/sh:\
 :setenv=SHELL=/bin/sh:

--- snip ---

I've created the database via cap_mkdb at my local system and  
uploaded this file as well, then changed the file permissions to  
0400 and ownership is right as well. Just - that file isn't parsed :(


Any other way of changing the user's shell - could install in the  
worst case some kind of PHP shell - are also welcome.
The library which is missing could be uploaded from my local  
system, just - of course - I don't have any write permissions in  
the usual locations.


Thanks in advance


If you can do that, why not change the shell in /etc/master.passwd  
and rebuild that database?

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Re: How do I forward old root emails from the root mailbox to my address?

[Eric Crist]

On Apr 25, 2007, at 6:23 AMApr 25, 2007, Andreas Widerøe Andersen wrote:


On 4/25/07, Oliver Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 11:11:07AM +0200, Andreas Widere Andersen  
wrote:

> Hi,
> On one of my FreeBSD servers all system emails to root is stored  
in the

root
> mailbox under /var/mail/root. I have updated my alias file so  
new mail

is
> forwarded to one of my email adresses, but is there a simple way  
for me

to
> send all these old mails in root's mailbox to my email address  
without

> logging in through pop3/imap?
>
> A command line trick would be perfect.

mutt is your friend.

Open the mbox file with
  # mutt -R -f /var/mail/root

Then Tag all mails (press 'T' then enter '.') and bounce the tagged
messages (press ';' and thenn 'b') to your personal email address.

That's the easiest way I know.
(Of course you need a running MTA, too)



Thanks for your reply. I don't have mutt installed and I was hoping  
for a
way of doing this without installing additional software. Also, I  
didn't
mention that on one of the machines there are probably a year of  
emails so

the box is quite large.

Any other ways? I have sendmail installed and running.

Cheers,
Andreas


Andreas,

Edit /etc/mail/aliases and uncomment the root: line and make it look  
like:


root:  

Where  is the local account and/or email address you  
want to recieve root email.


Save the file, while in the /etc/mail directory, run 'make install &&  
make restart' as root, without the quotes.  all email will now go to  
the new address.


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Re: normal mount points

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

On 28/04/07, Graham North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of
doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install
but also three additional (mount points?)
/proc
/net
/host

The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on
it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount
points?



Filesystem  1K-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a   101297436926   895012 4%/
devfs   110   100%/dev
/dev/ad2s1d   5616214   716542  445037614%/home
/dev/ad0s1e   101297422352   909586 2%/tmp
. . .

Mount points are merely directories where devices
are mounted as part of the filesystem.  These can be
automatically mounted by a listing in /etc/fstab or manually
mounted using /sbin/mount.  That they show up in df's
listing means that something is in fact mounted on it.

Typing "mount" at a command prompt will give you a listing
of mounted devices like so:

/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/ad2s1d on /home (ufs, NFS exported, local, nosuid, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
. . .

As none of those above (/proc /net /host) are part of the
standard layout (Well, /proc was on 4.x and earlier) some-
one at some time has added them.

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misc question #2:: howto stream .RAM/realplay via "kmplayer"??

[Gary Kline]

I'm still building my backup DNS server on my remaining Kayak
playing with various window managers (aka "desktops"). Stuck.
To any browser/media/audio wizards out there in freebsd-land:

A few weeks ago (after failing with both mozilla and firefox)
I tried the KDE broswer to stream video.  And after several
tries, got kmplayer working with Konqueror.  It streams windows
video and better yet, streams windows audio (using the Mplayer 
backend).  But there are some NPR/PBS webcasts only in
real-audio.  After a few hours of poking around the web and
trying to reconfigure Konqueror I-give-up.

I've reached the "File Association" -> "Audio" and to
"x-pn-realplay" {or something like that}, then I'm wedged.  
Is there an honest textfile I can use to associate [.ra, .rm,
.ram] with /usr/X11R6/bin/realplay   

thanks for any help!


gary



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common freebsd mount points?

[Graham North]

I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of 
doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install 
but also three additional (mount points?)

/proc
/net
/host

The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on 
it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount 
points?

Thanks,
Graham/

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normal mount points

[Graham North]

I ran the df command last night to check slice sizes in anticipation of 
doing some backup and eventual tranfer to a new machine.
The output gave me not just normal slices that were created at install 
but also three additional (mount points?)

/proc
/net
/host

The machine is a simple web server and print server with little else on 
it.   Can some explain to me (or point me to) an explanation of mount 
points?

Thanks,
Graham/

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"BSDstats: Minor Update to Port ..."

[Marc G. Fournier]

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how/when bsdstats is run ... it makes the assumption that the server is 
actually *running* at 5am on the 1st of each month, instead of shutdown as 
numerous offices do ...

I've just made a slight change to the port so that it adds a bsdstats.sh script 
to /usr/local/etc/rc.d that can be enabled in /etc/rc.conf so that it runs on 
system reboot ...

The script that prompts you to enable will auto-enable boottime reporting if 
you enable monthly reporting as well ...

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Re: Need your help

[Garrett Cooper]

maximo4k wrote:

Hello freebsd-questions,

From: Maksym Kuvyklin<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: I have suspicion that somebody use my server like zombie server.

Environment:FreeBSD  mail.ukremb.com  5.5-RELEASE  FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE
#6:MonApr   23   14:41:21   EDT   2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386

Description:
Sorry for my pure English. I am new in this community.
I had detected that somebody tryed to penetrate via ssh into my server.
When I had changed the port all this attempts were finished. Then server 
notified
me about that somebody use my IP address and after that my network adapter had 
down.
I had changed it to another one and the server had started work again. I have 
static IP address.
But, now my connection is very slow. I have looked throught the logs and I had 
not
found any tracks of penetration. Please, help me to solve this problem.


What I'd do is determine from another machine if there's another machine 
trying to spoof your IP, and thus trying to do a man in the middle type 
of attack, knowingly or unknowingly. Contact your ISP or talk with your 
network admin and see if you can get the offender kicked off the network 
IF you are supposed to have a static IP address. If you set the IP 
address statically yourself and you don't manage your network or you 
didn't get the AOK from your network managers, you are IP squatting, 
which isn't a good idea in the first place, and technically you are the 
one at fault for causing this issue.


If not, then you should check your machine for active connections 
(netstat -a -f inet), and see if there's anything out of the ordinary 
that you didn't expect to be running on your PC.


If you still can't determine anything, check /var/log/auth.log -- this 
assumes you're running syslog; syslog can be turned on by going to 
rc.conf, adding SYSLOG_ENABLE="YES" and then running "/etc/rc.d/syslog 
start". After that, see if there are any users logging in that are 
unknown to you, or should not be logging in.


Good things to think about when administering a system though:
1. Use strong passwords.
2. Turn off unnecessary services.
3. Reduce possible sources of entry into your system (ties into 2.).

Cheers and best of luck,

-Garrett
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Re: Hardware requirement

[Garrett Cooper]

Reshmakov Roman wrote:

We sucessfuly use amd64 arch on Intel Xeon CPUs.


EMT64 is fully compatible with the major features in AMD64. However, 
IA64 (64-bit architecture made by Intel in older Xeons) isn't compatible 
with AMD Opterons AFAIK. Besides, IA64 doesn't allow binary/library 
profiling and requires all stuff to be done in 64-bit whereas EMT64 and 
AMD64 do allow for 32-bit and 64-bit operation, simultaneously IIRC.



On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:56:04PM +0100, mukul choudhuri wrote:



Would U Plz. tell me about MAX amount of RAM freeBSD supports per
processor in SMP systems?



Depends on the architecture. A 32 bit x86 chip can address 4GB, unless
you have the PAE extension in the kernel. In that case it is 64
GB. Beware that some drivers are not compatible with PAE.


As Roland suggested, you should go with non-PAE 32-bit (in this case 
64-bit operating system) if you want more than 4GB of RAM. Look up the 
archives for this mailing list on recent discussion centered around this 
 topic.



The amd64 architecture has been tested with 8 GB.
For other architectures, see the release notes:

>>
http://www.nl.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware.html 

>>

Does a dualcore system be considered as SMP system? Say an AMD X2 or Core2Duo?



Yes, AFAIK.


Yes, they are. SMP = "Symmetric multiprocessor system", which includes 
hyperthreading, multi-processor, and multi-core capable CPUs (or some 
hybrid variant of the above).



Roland


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Re: Help, please ....Port Install Problem, Google didn't help!

[Garrett Cooper]

VeeJay wrote:

Hello

I am trying to run a perl script connecting a mysql50 database on a
freebsd61 box.

But I get this error:
Can't locate Mysql.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at..

But when I want to install perl database driver, I get this error:

localhost# make install clean
===>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach/DBI.pm - found
===>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -
found
===>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on shared library: mysqlclient.15 - 
not

found
===>Verifying install for mysqlclient.15 in
/usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client
===>  Installing for mysql-client-5.0.27
===>   Generating temporary packing list
===>  Checking if databases/mysql50-client already installed
===>   mysql-client-5.0.27 is already installed
 You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
 by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
 If you really wish to overwrite the old port of
databases/mysql50-client
 without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
 in your environment or the "make install" command line.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/databases/p5-DBD-mysql50.
localhost#


Please help and advise, what should I do? I have tried to google allready
but could not find any solution


Do as the directions say. cd to the port directory, run make deinstall, 
make install. If you get this all the time, try updating your ports, 
and/or contacting the maintainer because it could be an improper packing 
list, or some sort of weird circular dependencies (former rather than 
latter).


-Garrett
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Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[Garrett Cooper]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OpenOffice in OSX still isn't that great either because there
still isn't a native (Aqua) build.


I suspect the NeoOffice folks would be surprised to hear that :)


Yes >_>.. I mean that the latest and greatest version of OOo isn't 
available for Aqua native yet. It's going to take another year to port, 
as someone has claimed already.


There was a big leap in terms of functionality from 1.x vs 2.x in OOo, 
but then again considering that the OP was asking about running Office 
98 (:D..), I don't think he'd mind running the 1.x version binaries.


-Garrett
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RE: fbsd 6.2 new boot time messages

[Bob]

Figured it out. Had a comment in rc.conf that was not preceded with # sign.

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Subject: fbsd 6.2 new boot time messages

Just installed 6.2 from cd and now see many " Instructions: not found"
messages.

What are these messages referring to???

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Re: DHCP client configuration on FreeBSD

[Beech Rintoul]

On Saturday 28 April 2007, L Goodwin said:
> --- Beech Rintoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 27 April 2007, L Goodwin said:
> > > When I ran the DHCP client configuration tool on
> > > FreeBSD 6.2, it added a new hostname variable to
> > > /etc/rc.conf below existing the hostname var (it
> > > did not remove or comment-out the old hostname
> > > variable).
> > > The NEW hostname includes the ISP's domain name:
> > >   hostname="dhcppc0."
> > >
> > > This hostname differs from the hostname listed in
> > > the router's DHCP table "dhcpp0" (no domain name).
> > > It also shows unique IP addresses and MAC
>
> addresses
>
> > > for all hosts on the LAN.
> > >
> > > I can ping the IP address assigned to the FreeBSD
> > > system, but ping and net lookup fail when its
> > > hostname is specified (both with and without the
> > > domain name).
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > 1) Why did the hostname get changed (does not
> > > occur for Windows clients)?
> > > 2) Why does the hostname in /etc/rc.conf contain
> > > the DNS domain name?
> >
> > FreeBSD uses the FQDN (fully qualified domain name)
> > as the hostname.
> > Example: hostname= "yourmachine.yourdomain.com"
> >
> > > 3) How do I resolve this problem?
> >
> > Unless you provide your own DNS that resolves your
> > internal network and supersede dhclient with your
> > domain name,  DHCP will use the domain and DNS from
> > your provider. Your windows boxes point to your
> > isp's nameservers which have no records of your
> > server or it's address. Therefore it can't resolve
> > your machine's hostname.
> > If you do provide your own internal name service you
> > will also need to edit /etc/dhclient.config (see man
> > dhclient.conf), and point your windows boxes to your
> > DNS instead of your isp's. You can use a fictitious
> > domain name internally, just make sure that the
> > domain doesn't actually exist on the net.
> > You can also use the FreeBSD IP address as a domain
> > name on your windows boxes to connect.
>
> Is there a way to a) make dhclient use hostname
> without a domain name appended, or b) make dhclient
> instruct the DHCP server to append the domain name to
> the hostname?

You're confusing windows networking with "real" networking. If all 
you're trying to do is share files with the windows boxes, just put 
the machine name as hostname and don't worry what gets appended to 
it. Samba will handle the windows part of it (machine name and 
workgroup). Windows uses a different system to identify machines on 
it's network. Don't confuse a windows "domain" with a real domain 
they are different things. On a windows network you use samba to make 
the windows boxes "think" that the FreeBSD box is one of theirs and 
share files and printers. You can find detailed how-to's on samba's 
site. There is no need to ping by hostname unless you're running a 
server on the FreeBSD box in which case you need to setup real DNS or 
just use the FreeBSD IP as the hostname from windows. 

>
> > Running  bind requires a fairly steep learning
> > curve, but there are simple nameservers in the ports
> > tree that would probably better suit your needs.
>
> Are you referring to the built-in command in bsh that
> lists/alters key bindings for the line editor?
> I don't understand what bind has to do with any of this.

I'm not talking about binding keys, what I was talking about is bind. 
That's a dns server already in the base system. If you want to freely 
resolve your machines by hostname and domain you probably need to set 
up a caching nameserver to resolve your internal network. And point 
all your machines at it.

Beech


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Re: misc/112207: I have suspicion that somebudy use my server like zombie server.

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:07:32PM +, Maksym Kuvyklin wrote:

> 
> >Synopsis:   I have suspicion that somebudy use my server like zombie 
> >server.
> >Arrival-Date:   Sat Apr 28 14:20:04 GMT 2007
> >Originator: Maksym Kuvyklin
> >Release:FreeBSD 5.5 STABLE
> >Environment:
> FreeBSD mail.ukremb.com 5.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE #6: Mon Apr 23 
> 14:41:21 EDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL  i386
> >Description:
> Sorry for my pure English. I am new in this community.
> I had detected that somebody tryed to penetrate via ssh into my server. When 
> I had changed the port all this attempts were finished. Then server notified 
> me about that somebody use my IP address and after that my network adapter 
> had down. I had changed it to another one and the server had started work 
> again. I have static IP address.But, now my connection is very slow. I have 
> looked throught the logs and I had not found any tracks of penetration. 
> Please, help me to solve this problem.
> 
> 

I took the liberty to make a response and redirect this to the questions list.
I hope that is OK.

I am not a network security expert, so if someone tells you better,
then, go with their information.  But,,,

Someone is always trying to penetrate ssh on systems.   They go around
and scan every machine they can find with a common list of ids.  You 
can put in place some blocking software of firewalls to prevent those 
scans from getting to your machine, but it might not be all that meaningful.

As for a warning that some other machine is using your IP address,
this can be possible if some other machine is badly configured.  It
can be a lot of work to track down that machine, but that is the only
way to fix it.   It is possible that another machine may be using your
IP address to try and steal information or use your address to either
spam or attack others.  Or, it may be just someone who is either 
incompetent or lazy with setting up their system.   It is hard to 
tell without more examination.   Definitely something like that can
cause your network traffic to be very slow.

If you are lucky, that machine using your IP will be physically near
you and can be tracked down.   Maybe some other people can help with
hints on how to do it.

Anyway, it may, but does not necessarily indicate that your machine
has been broken in to.   If you can find not other signs, then maybe
you are lucky and all the problem is external to your machine.  But
you do need to track that bad machine using your IP and shut it down.

Good luck,

jerry 
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Quotacheck failing

[Don O'Neil]

I'm having a problem with quotacheck failing and giving this message:

quotacheck: /home/quota.user: seek failed: Invalid argument THE FOLLOWING
FILE SYSTEM HAD AN UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY:
/dev/twed0s1d (/home)

However, I have run a full fsck from single user mode on this volume and it
comes up clean every time. I've removed the quota.user and had it
re-generated, but that didn't help either.

Anyone know how/why this is happening, and what do try to do to fix it? Is
there possible some corrupt file somewhere on the volume that quotacheck
doesn't like, but is technically fine according to fsck? 

I haven't heard from any one with any ideas, so I'm reposting. Beyond moving
the data off the array, reformatting it and moving it back (which I did
originally) how can I fix this problem?

Thanks for any suggestions!

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Re: DHCP client configuration on FreeBSD

[L Goodwin]

--- Beech Rintoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 27 April 2007, L Goodwin said:
> > When I ran the DHCP client configuration tool on
> > FreeBSD 6.2, it added a new hostname variable to
> > /etc/rc.conf below existing the hostname var (it
> > did not remove or comment-out the old hostname
> > variable).
> > The NEW hostname includes the ISP's domain name:
> >   hostname="dhcppc0."
> >
> > This hostname differs from the hostname listed in
> > the router's DHCP table "dhcpp0" (no domain name).
> > It also shows unique IP addresses and MAC
addresses
> > for all hosts on the LAN.
> >
> > I can ping the IP address assigned to the FreeBSD
> > system, but ping and net lookup fail when its
> > hostname is specified (both with and without the
> > domain name).
> >
> > Questions:
> > 1) Why did the hostname get changed (does not
> > occur for Windows clients)?
> > 2) Why does the hostname in /etc/rc.conf contain
> > the DNS domain name?
> 
> FreeBSD uses the FQDN (fully qualified domain name)
> as the hostname.
> Example: hostname= "yourmachine.yourdomain.com"
> 
> > 3) How do I resolve this problem?
> 
> Unless you provide your own DNS that resolves your
> internal network and supersede dhclient with your
> domain name,  DHCP will use the domain and DNS from
> your provider. Your windows boxes point to your 
> isp's nameservers which have no records of your
> server or it's address. Therefore it can't resolve
> your machine's hostname. 
> If you do provide your own internal name service you
> will also need to edit /etc/dhclient.config (see man
> dhclient.conf), and point your windows boxes to your
> DNS instead of your isp's. You can use a fictitious
> domain name internally, just make sure that the
> domain doesn't actually exist on the net. 
> You can also use the FreeBSD IP address as a domain
> name on your windows boxes to connect.

Is there a way to a) make dhclient use hostname
without a domain name appended, or b) make dhclient
instruct the DHCP server to append the domain name to
the hostname?

> Running  bind requires a fairly steep learning
> curve, but there are simple nameservers in the ports
> tree that would probably better suit your needs.

Are you referring to the built-in command in bsh that
lists/alters key bindings for the line editor?
I don't understand what bind has to do with any of this.

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Need your help

[maximo4k]

Hello freebsd-questions,

From: Maksym Kuvyklin<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: I have suspicion that somebody use my server like zombie server.

Environment:FreeBSD  mail.ukremb.com  5.5-RELEASE  FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE
#6:MonApr   23   14:41:21   EDT   2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386

Description:
Sorry for my pure English. I am new in this community.
I had detected that somebody tryed to penetrate via ssh into my server.
When I had changed the port all this attempts were finished. Then server 
notified
me about that somebody use my IP address and after that my network adapter had 
down.
I had changed it to another one and the server had started work again. I have 
static IP address.
But, now my connection is very slow. I have looked throught the logs and I had 
not
found any tracks of penetration. Please, help me to solve this problem.

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fbsd 6.2 new boot time messages

[Bob]

Just installed 6.2 from cd and now see many " Instructions: not found"
messages.

What are these messages referring to???

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Re: Azureus Build Error

[Victor Cardona]

Warren Liddell wrote:
> Running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE .. Azureus as always fials with the following (any 
> ideas/suggestions welcomed)
> ---
> 
> ===>  Building for azureus-3.0.1.0
> Buildfile: build.xml
> 
> init:
> [mkdir] Created dir: /usr/ports/net-p2p/azureus/work/build
> 
> compile:
> [javac] Compiling 2510 source files 
> to /usr/ports/net-p2p/azureus/work/build
> 
> [javac] 
> /usr/ports/net-p2p/azureus/work/org/gudy/azureus2/pluginsimpl/local/utils/resourcedownloader/ResourceDownloaderFactoryImpl.java:66:
>  
> cannot resolve symbol
> [javac] symbol  : method toURI ()
> [javac] location: class java.net.URL
> [javac] return( new 
> ResourceDownloaderFileImpl( null, new File( url.toURI(;
> [javac]   
>  
> ^
> [javac] Note: Some input files use or override a deprecated API.
> [javac] Note: Recompile with -deprecation for details.
> [javac] 1 error
> 
> BUILD FAILED
> /usr/ports/net-p2p/azureus/work/build.xml:22: Compile failed; see the 
> compiler 
> error output for details.
> 
> Total time: 1 minute 7 seconds
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/net-p2p/azureus.
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What version of Java do you have installed?  The method that cannot be
found toURI() was added in Java 1.5.  If you are still using 1.4 or
earlier, then you will need to upgrade your JRE or JDK first.




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Re: Response "Fwd: failure notice"

[Jeffrey Goldberg]

On Apr 28, 2007, at 4:20 AM, Andriy Babiy wrote:

On every message, sent to the list, I receive a strange response  
with the

subject line: "Fwd: failure notice".


This is because (at least) one member of the list,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED], has an address behind a broken MTA.


If the email system for that delivery worked, then the bounce  
message  would go to


  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

instead of to the person who posted the message.

People behind mail systems like those should never, ever be allowed  
near Internet email discussion groups.  I haven't seen a mail system  
that broken for a long time.  Typically it is because the mail goes  
through some kind of gateway that fails to preserve the "envelope  
from" address.


It would be nice if the list manager for this list could trace down  
which subscribed address is causing the problem (not always an easy  
thing to do) and ban them from the list.


A more common problem is the list subscriber who has a badly  
configured auto responder set up.  I have a rant about those at


  http://www.goldmark.org/netrants/auto-resp/

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Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri]

On 4/28/07, james thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How difficult is FreeBSD to use in place of MS windows, say compared to
Apple OSX?  I believe it may be able to run Offide 98; can Office 98
with Publisher be ran on FreeBSD?  I want to use FreeBSD to compose
articles, and combine them into a Book for publication, as a Home Office
Operation by a person with little experience beyond windows.   In 1995,
I took a MicroComputer Operating Systems course in Windows 3.11 and DOS
6.22.   I have used Windows 95, 98, and XP Home & upgraded to Media Edition.


Hello,

It's very easy, I suggest for new bsd users to go for PC-BSD
http://www.pcbsd.org/ since it's one setup CD with complete desktop
interface.


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Re: CVS server setup

[Lowell Gilbert]

Eduardo Morras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   I'm trying to setup a cvs server. I have a vps jail account so i can't make 
> a jail in the jail to run the cvs server. Has cvs server a /chroot/ mode? 
> Where can i find documentation to do so? All doc, man and howto i readed 
> shows how to do creating a jail. Is there other way to do so?

You should be able to use chroot(8) on it directly, as far as I can tell.
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Re: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the relativeadvantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory >3.5GB not used?))

[Thomas Dickey]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:10:16AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> The true value of Wikipedia is that it can deal with controversial
> subjects.  ...

on the other hand, for some instances it doesn't _deal_ with controversial
subjects, but only reflects the most common opinion.  Currently(*) the only
way to see what's going on is to examine the history of changes to a given
page, taking into account that since the updaters are anonymous there's
no guarantee that one can relate their opinions to facts.

(*) is there a guarantee that the change history will remain?  If not,
at that point one may as well delete wikipedia.

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Re: set env in chroot script

[Lowell Gilbert]

Elan Marikit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am a newbie of FreeBSD and I want to know how to set environment
> inside chroot in a shell script.
>
> My script looks like this:
> chroot $NEWROOT /bin/sh -c ""
>
> And I want to set an environment, before the .
>
> Is it possible that it will inherit my parent environment? like the
> environment set in my script?

According to the chroot(8) manual, only the SHELL value will
be inherited.

Try making a wrapper script to set the values you want, and
call the command from inside that script.
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Re[2]: Hardware requirement

[Reshmakov Roman]

We sucessfuly use amd64 arch on Intel Xeon CPUs.


> On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:56:04PM +0100, mukul choudhuri wrote:

>> Would U Plz. tell me about MAX amount of RAM freeBSD supports per
>> processor in SMP systems?

> Depends on the architecture. A 32 bit x86 chip can address 4GB, unless
> you have the PAE extension in the kernel. In that case it is 64
> GB. Beware that some drivers are not compatible with PAE.

> The amd64 architecture has been tested with 8 GB.

> For other architectures, see the release notes:
> http://www.nl.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware.html 

>> Does a dualcore system be considered as SMP system? Say an AMD X2 or 
>> Core2Duo?

> Yes, AFAIK.

> Roland



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Re: Hardware requirement

[Roland Smith]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:56:04PM +0100, mukul choudhuri wrote:

> Would U Plz. tell me about MAX amount of RAM freeBSD supports per
> processor in SMP systems?

Depends on the architecture. A 32 bit x86 chip can address 4GB, unless
you have the PAE extension in the kernel. In that case it is 64
GB. Beware that some drivers are not compatible with PAE.

The amd64 architecture has been tested with 8 GB.

For other architectures, see the release notes:
http://www.nl.freebsd.org/releases/6.2R/hardware.html 

> Does a dualcore system be considered as SMP system? Say an AMD X2 or Core2Duo?

Yes, AFAIK.

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Re: Thunderbird 2.0 dumps core on second file open op (workaround)

[Howard Goldstein]

Garrett Cooper wrote:

Howard Goldstein wrote:

Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote:

Michel Le Cocq wrote:
I think it's a global thunderbird 2 bug, because i have exactly the 
same trouble ona mac os 10.4 with a binary update.


I do not think it is exactly the same -- see below.


Howard Goldstein a écrit :

Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote:

Drew Sanford wrote:
 > No, but I am seeing it core dump rather strangely. Each time it 
starts

 > up, I can open a file dialog box to save an attachment or attach a
 > file one time just fine. The second time I try to attach or save a
 > file on any start up, it crashes.

BTW: Firefox 2.0.X does the same. Use "Save Link As..." a few 
times in a row (2 is usually sufficient) and have a core dump.


I had this happen with Firefox 2.0.X and Thunderbird 2.0.0 that I 
compiled myself as well as with this one (on 6.2-RELEASE): 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/www/firefox-2.0.0.3,1.tbz 



I guess someone should file a bug report...


Looks like the same problem at ports/105589, perhaps it needs to be 
reopened, seems to be the same problem.  Haven't tried the 
workaround. Not sure how to do that on someone else's gnats.  (cc 
to the gnats person who closed it)


After reading the discussion in the PR, I renamed libgnome-2.so.0 and 
tried again: no crashes with Firefox 2.0.3 or Thunderbird 2.0.0. I do 
run KDE -- I probably should compile Firefox and Thunderbird without 
the gnome dependencies to solve it for me.


I wish I'd googled for KDE along with this as the problem was 
apparently fixed once for KDE, although for some reason came back 
again now for some of us.  Here's a link to the very same bug along 
with a fix that was targeted only for KDE


http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-gnome/2006-December/016299.html 



Based on your find Jan it's fairly simple to workaround this in the 
2.0.0.0 Makefile by disabling gnomeui and gnomevfs linkages.  Here's 
my diff which also includes tiny cruft disabling ldap during the build 
since I can't build an LDAPable thunderbird2 on my system.


(before the diff, following up, reverting CFLAGS to -O -pipe and the 
default CPUTYPE didn't help, neither did installing gnome2)





*** mail/thunderbird/Makefile.origFri Apr 27 18:00:27 2007
--- mail/thunderbird/MakefileFri Apr 27 19:15:58 2007
***
*** 17,23 
  COMMENT=Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail and news that 
stands above

CONFLICTS=lightning-0.[0-9]*
! WANT_GNOME=yes
  ALL_TARGET=default
  CONFIGURE_ENV=LOCALBASE=${LOCALBASE}
  HAS_CONFIGURE=yes
--- 17,25 
  COMMENT=Mozilla Thunderbird is standalone mail and news that 
stands above

CONFLICTS=lightning-0.[0-9]*
! #hgWANT_GNOME=yes
! WANT_GNOME=no
! #hg
  ALL_TARGET=default
  CONFIGURE_ENV=LOCALBASE=${LOCALBASE}
  HAS_CONFIGURE=yes
***
*** 31,36 
--- 33,41 
  MOZ_GRAPHICS=default,-xbm
  MOZ_OPTIONS=--enable-single-profile --disable-profilesharing\
  --enable-application=mail --enable-official-branding
+ #hg
+ MOZ_OPTIONS+=--disable-ldap  --disable-gnomeui --disable-gnomevfs
+ #hg
  MOZ_MK_OPTIONS=MOZ_MOZ_THUNDERBIRD=1
  MOZ_EXPORT=MOZ_THUNDERBIRD=1


Based on someone's comments about OSX though, there might be an issue 
with the underlying base system or kernel in FreeBSD <6.2 that 
Thunderbird 2 unearths, dealing with filesystem handling, threading, 
linking, or something along those lines (I know, that really doesn't 
narrow down the list). It should be a core component though because 
Thunderbird under OSX doesn't have any GTK or X11 support compiled in 
and is natively run under Aqua.


I'll look for the core dump sent previously, but if more people can 
contribute their core dumps this would help isolate the issue. The 
bigger (and compressed) the better, as long as you don't have sensitive 
data hanging around in the background. This might just help capture the 
problem at hand.


Hardware specs and CPUTYPE, as well as whether or not you're running a 
custom or generic kernel with what options would help as well. Please 
link off site if you can.


After that maybe we should all band together and submit a bug report.

Now let me see if I can reproduce it on my iBook :).


Yes I think we need to continue on fixing this since my rotten stinking 
workaround doesn't workaround for long anyway.  Thunderbird survived a 
few additional attachments than before, but still dumped a core this 
morning after idling all night when I attempted to attach the files 
indicated below to this very email  :(


Here are some additional details:

- sys is an Asus P4P800, two SATA drives in RAID1 config using the
onboard ICH5 controller, a crappy IDE winchester and a crappy IDE CDROM,
floppy
- dmesg (non debug, sorry) and x.org log attached

Let me know if I can send along anything else.  Bizarre, isn't i

Hardware requirement

[mukul choudhuri]

Hello,


Would U Plz. tell me about MAX amount of RAM freeBSD supports per processor in 
SMP systems?

Does a dualcore system be considered as SMP system? Say an AMD X2 or Core2Duo?


Thanks
Mukul Chaudhuri

   
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syslog(3) as user sets errno

[Stefan Ehmann]

If a non-privilged program calls syslog(3), after the call, errno is set to 13 
(permission denied).

In lib/libc/gen/syslog.c connectlog(), it is first tried to connect 
to /var/run/logpriv. If it fails /var/run/log is tried.

The first connect fails if syslog() is not called as root, it fails with 
errno=13 and the second connect succeeds.

This is all fine, except that errno is set to 13 after calling syslog().

Is this a bug or expected behaviour?

IMHO errno should be set to 0 before the second connect is called -- or is 
this a bad idea?

Stefan
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Re: syslog(3) as user sets errno

[Stefan Ehmann]

On Saturday 28 April 2007 14:16:34 Stefan Ehmann wrote:
> If a non-privilged program calls syslog(3), after the call, errno is set to
> 13 (permission denied).

Seems like I jumped the gun.

opengroup.org says "The value of errno should only be examined when it is 
indicated to be valid by a function's return value."

So it seems perfectly valid that errno is set.

Sorry for the noise.
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Re[2]: Help, please ....Port Install Problem, Google didn't help!

[Reshmakov Roman]

> Reshmakov Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> after 'make' type 'make deinstall && make install'

key phrase: "mysql-client-5.0.27 is already installed", so you need
remove old package and install new :)

"make clean" does not solve this problem cause you clean build tree, not
package.


> I've found that a "make clean" frequently cleans up this problem as well,
> which basically seems to be the result of the port system somehow losing
> track of the fact that a particular dependency is already installed.

>> > Hello
>> 
>> > I am trying to run a perl script connecting a mysql50 database on a
>> > freebsd61 box.
>> 
>> > But I get this error:
>> > Can't locate Mysql.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
>> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN
>> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach
>> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl
>> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at..
>> 
>> > But when I want to install perl database driver, I get this error:
>> 
>> > localhost# make install clean
>> ===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file:
>> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach/DBI.pm - found
>> ===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -
>> > found
>> ===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on shared library: mysqlclient.15 - not
>> > found
>> ===>>Verifying install for mysqlclient.15 in
>> > /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client
>> ===>>  Installing for mysql-client-5.0.27
>> ===>>   Generating temporary packing list
>> ===>>  Checking if databases/mysql50-client already installed
>> ===>>   mysql-client-5.0.27 is already installed
>> >   You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
>> >   by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
>> >   If you really wish to overwrite the old port of
>> > databases/mysql50-client
>> >   without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
>> >   in your environment or the "make install" command line.
>> > *** Error code 1
>> 
>> > Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client.
>> > *** Error code 1
>> 
>> > Stop in /usr/ports/databases/p5-DBD-mysql50.
>> > localhost#
>> 
>> 
>> > Please help and advise, what should I do? I have tried to google allready
>> > but could not find any solution
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Help, please ....Port Install Problem, Google didn't help!

[Bill Moran]

Reshmakov Roman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> after 'make' type 'make deinstall && make install'

I've found that a "make clean" frequently cleans up this problem as well,
which basically seems to be the result of the port system somehow losing
track of the fact that a particular dependency is already installed.

> > Hello
> 
> > I am trying to run a perl script connecting a mysql50 database on a
> > freebsd61 box.
> 
> > But I get this error:
> > Can't locate Mysql.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at..
> 
> > But when I want to install perl database driver, I get this error:
> 
> > localhost# make install clean
> ===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file:
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach/DBI.pm - found
> ===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -
> > found
> ===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on shared library: mysqlclient.15 - not
> > found
> ===>>Verifying install for mysqlclient.15 in
> > /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client
> ===>>  Installing for mysql-client-5.0.27
> ===>>   Generating temporary packing list
> ===>>  Checking if databases/mysql50-client already installed
> ===>>   mysql-client-5.0.27 is already installed
> >   You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
> >   by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
> >   If you really wish to overwrite the old port of
> > databases/mysql50-client
> >   without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
> >   in your environment or the "make install" command line.
> > *** Error code 1
> 
> > Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client.
> > *** Error code 1
> 
> > Stop in /usr/ports/databases/p5-DBD-mysql50.
> > localhost#
> 
> 
> > Please help and advise, what should I do? I have tried to google allready
> > but could not find any solution
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Help, please ....Port Install Problem, Google didn't help!

[Reshmakov Roman]

after 'make' type 'make deinstall && make install'



> Hello

> I am trying to run a perl script connecting a mysql50 database on a
> freebsd61 box.

> But I get this error:
> Can't locate Mysql.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at..

> But when I want to install perl database driver, I get this error:

> localhost# make install clean
===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file:
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach/DBI.pm - found
===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -
> found
===>>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on shared library: mysqlclient.15 - not
> found
===>>Verifying install for mysqlclient.15 in
> /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client
===>>  Installing for mysql-client-5.0.27
===>>   Generating temporary packing list
===>>  Checking if databases/mysql50-client already installed
===>>   mysql-client-5.0.27 is already installed
>   You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
>   by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
>   If you really wish to overwrite the old port of
> databases/mysql50-client
>   without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
>   in your environment or the "make install" command line.
> *** Error code 1

> Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client.
> *** Error code 1

> Stop in /usr/ports/databases/p5-DBD-mysql50.
> localhost#


> Please help and advise, what should I do? I have tried to google allready
> but could not find any solution




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Re: Unable to login using KDE

[Ivan Carey]

Andriy Babiy wrote:

I am debugging a (seemingly) KDE-related problem on a FreeBSD laptop.
The version of FreeBSD is 6.1-RELEASE-p10 #0. I am starting in in
debug mode. It is using kdm as a login screen. The corresponding line
in /etc/ttys is

ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure

The problem is: when I type the username and password and try to login
it returns me to the login screen again.
  

What are the contents of your ~/.xsession? Check ~/.xsession-errors as
well.



Do you use alpha-numeric symbols only in your password? The keyboard layout 
in kde might be different, so the same keys can generate different input. 
Try something simple and see if it works.


Andriy
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I'm using kdm ok with the line in /etc/ttys
ttyv8   "/usr/local/bin/kdm"   xterm   on   secure

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Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

[Sam Lawrance]

On 28/04/2007, at 7:25 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:





-Original Message-
From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Christopher Hilton; Grant Peel; Eric Crist;
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam



On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their
mail
to not be greylisted.  For example, my cell phone's e-mail  
address is
in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server  
failure.

I would be pretty pissed off if Sprint suddenly started
greylisting.  It
isn't just dumb-ass users making stupid political decisions to  
reject

it, although in your case it probably was.


If it is a legitimate mail server, it would be promoted to the auto-
whitelist.  Not all mail is constantly greylisted by most intelligent
greylist systems.  Only the first few messages would be delayed,
until it is established as legitimate.



That won't work in my case since I generally only have a failure  
that causes
a problem which results in paging about once every 3 months or so.   
By the

 time the pages got through the
greylist it would be at least an hour later after the system had gone
down.  That isn't acceptable for a notification system.


Email is not an instant messaging system, no matter how much you want  
it to be one.


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RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher
> Hilton
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:45 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: User Questions
> Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >> When I scan my maillogs I find that 22% of the hosts that generate a
> >> greylisting entry retry the mail delivery and thus get whitelisted. The
> >> other 78% don't attempt redelivery within the greylisting window.
> >
> > That's probably par.
> >
> > However, the reason your putting so much faith in the delaying,
> is simply
> > that you aren't getting a lot of spam.
> >
> > I have published e-mail addresses.  Without greylisting I got about
> > 1500-2000 mail messages a day to each of them.
> >
> >
>
> Greylisting isn't just about delaying. IIRC greylisting is filtering for
> spam/ham based on behaviour in the message originators MTA. My
> greylister is using two behavioural assumptions:
>
>   Spamming MTA's don't have the capability to queue and retry mail.
> Asking them to queue and retry will cause them to drop the mail on the
> floor thus filtering spam.
>
>   Spamming MTA's don't like to be tarpitted. Stuttering at them and
> sizing the TCP Windows so they must wait will result in them
> disconnecting before they can exchanged mail thus filtering spam.
>

Both of those are assumptions your making that are just not true anymore.
Spammers are adapting to greylisting.  I've been running it for at
least 2 years now and every month more and more spam is making it
past the greylist and getting caught by spamassassin.  As I mentioned
previously, it does not take a lot of programming effort to do it.

When I first setup greylisting the results were literally spectacular.
Nowadays they are great, but not much beyond that.  All of the things your
saying about greylisting decreasing the load and all that are true, and
just because it's not as effective as it once was doesen't mean you should
not use it.  But, I am not blind to what my eyes are telling me.  In
aonther 5 years, greylisting will be like all other spamfilter
techniques, effective only against a minority of spam

Ted

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RE: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: Bart Silverstrim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: Christopher Hilton; Grant Peel; Eric Crist;
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Greylisting -- Was: Anti Spam
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> > There are legitimate technical reasons that someone may want their
> > mail
> > to not be greylisted.  For example, my cell phone's e-mail address is
> > in our monitoring scripts to page me in the event of a server failure.
> > I would be pretty pissed off if Sprint suddenly started
> > greylisting.  It
> > isn't just dumb-ass users making stupid political decisions to reject
> > it, although in your case it probably was.
>
> If it is a legitimate mail server, it would be promoted to the auto-
> whitelist.  Not all mail is constantly greylisted by most intelligent
> greylist systems.  Only the first few messages would be delayed,
> until it is established as legitimate.
>

That won't work in my case since I generally only have a failure that causes
a problem which results in paging about once every 3 months or so.  By the
 time the pages got through the
greylist it would be at least an hour later after the system had gone
down.  That isn't acceptable for a notification system.

Ted

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Response "Fwd: failure notice"

[Andriy Babiy]

On every message, sent to the list, I receive a strange response with the 
subject line: "Fwd: failure notice".
The body contains:
===> BODY BEGIN
Hi. This is the deliver program at eyou.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the 
following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work 
out.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

550 MI:SPF mx18,wKjR47Dr_AisCDNGl+65Ow==.9315S2 1177749676 
http://mail.163.com/help/help_spam_16.htm


--- Attachment is a copy of the message.

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===> BODY END

Sure, I know nothing about eyou.com and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My message appears on the list, so it is delivered.
What does this response mean? Could anyone explain me why I get this 
response?
Thank you in advance.

Andriy
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RE: No SMB/Samba support on Windows Home Editions

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Ragona
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: L Goodwin; FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: No SMB/Samba support on Windows Home Editions
> 
> 
> At 03:49 PM 4/27/2007, L Goodwin wrote:
> >I've been working feverishly to set up a Samba share
> >on FreeBSD 6.2 server to provide file storage for
> >clients running Windows XP Pro and Windows Vista Home
> >Premium.
> >
> >I just had a long talk with the ISP's tech support,
> >and was told a number of things that I would like to
> >confirm or deny:
> >
> >1) Windows "Home" editions (including XP and Vista)
> >have support for SMB protocol disabled in Active
> >Directory Domain Connections functionality!
> >Is this true?
> 
> Not exactly.  Home edition CANNOT log into a domain or active 
> directory.  If you need that functionality, upgrade to XP Pro.
> 
> 
> >2) The only way to make Samba work for Windows Home
> >editions is to change the Samba server's domain
> >configuration to "peer-to-peer".
> >Is this true? If YES, how do I do that?
> >Could not find reference it in the Official Samba-3
> >HOW TO and Reference Guide.
> 
> I've never done that so am no help.
>

There is a hack for HP home that makes it join a domain.  You can
google for this.  It is a violation of the license agreement, of course.
Not recommended for a business to do this.

The only realistic option here is to run share-level security under
a workgroup style network.  The downside is that there is no centralized
password management.  But, in a smaller network that really doesen't 
matter.
 
> >3) Other options discussed:
> >
> >1) Replace Vista Home with Windows XP Pro (or Vista
> >Pro) or exchange computer for one with a "Pro"
> >edition.
> 
> Vista licenses can be downgraded to XP.  You need to check on which 
> versions can be downgraded to XP Pro.
>

Only the Vista Business versions have downgrade rights to XP Pro.
The Vista Home versions can only downgrade to XP Home.

Additionally, there are no downgrade rights with OEM licenses.
 
> 
> No one I know is jumping to vista until service pack one ships.
> 

One of the Intel VPs during an interview accidentally let it slip
out that Microsoft has scheduled SP1 for Vista for 4th quarter 2007.

Ted
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Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[perryh]

> OpenOffice in OSX still isn't that great either because there
> still isn't a native (Aqua) build.

I suspect the NeoOffice folks would be surprised to hear that :)
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RE: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the relativeadvantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory >3.5GB not used?))

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Bart Silverstrim
> Cc: Paul Schmehl; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the
> relativeadvantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory >3.5GB not
> used?))
> 
> 
> On 27/04/07, Bart Silverstrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > We don't devote time and
> > resources into being "renaissance people".
> 
> Human intelligence is hardly limited in that regard.
> While I do not subscribe to the Colin Wilson theory,
> the vast majority of people contain so little information
> it is quite shameful, and the less you learn the harder
> it is to learn.
> 
> These arguments about ethics show how truly shallow
> ethicists bother to think.  Wikipedia is a daycare centre
> which has given out a nearly unlimited number of crayons
> and is now complaining about children drawing on the
> walls.  It is also a fairly plain example of the cliche of the
> inmates running the asylum.  To assign scholarly status
> and impute scholarly ethics on such a nonsensical rubbish
> pile is as silly as taking my arguments here as more than
> the ranting of a deranged keyboard jockey.
> 
> What that purported professor did is no more unethical
> than crapping in somone else's toilet, and to claim other-
> wise is to elevate it to a king's throne.
> 
> Once wikipedia (and its ilk) begin to systematically vet
> contributors for expertise and seriously review articles
> against fact we can nail them to the wall for political bias.
> 

Wikipedia won't, mainly because there's another competing web
encyclopedia out there that is taking this approach.

However, you sound like you have a case of sour grapes, and you
definitely don't sound like you have read much on Wikipedia.

The true value of Wikipedia is that it can deal with controversial
subjects.  Take abortion, for example.  Reading
about it in a "peer reviewed" encyclopedia, if you didn't know
dick about it, you would wonder what all the controversy was about -
because those entries are completely stripped out of all loaded
phrases and emotion.

The same goes with the 2000 US Presidential election.  A huge number
of people, possibly the majority in the country, believe that there
were dirty tricks and that the election was stolen.  But, you won't
get any sense of that at all reading about it in the Encyclopedia
Britannica.

I couldn't read the online entries about either of those topics in
a peer-reviewed encyclopedia and even end up knowing where to go to
find each sides wacko-rediculous statements, and without reading any
of that stuff there's no way anyone can understand how unsolvable
that issues like that are.

Wikipedia is one of the best starting platforms out there on subjects.
Naturally, you don't take it as canonical.  But, it is going to suggest
avenues of research that the official stuff won't.  For example, look
up "operation freakout" and "operation snow white" in Wikipedia, and
look them up in an official encyclopedia.  Quite an amazing difference,
there.

Ted
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Help, please ....Port Install Problem, Google didn't help!

[VeeJay]

Hello

I am trying to run a perl script connecting a mysql50 database on a
freebsd61 box.

But I get this error:
Can't locate Mysql.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .) at..

But when I want to install perl database driver, I get this error:

localhost# make install clean
===>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file:
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach/DBI.pm - found
===>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 -
found
===>   p5-DBD-mysql50-4. depends on shared library: mysqlclient.15 - not
found
===>Verifying install for mysqlclient.15 in
/usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client
===>  Installing for mysql-client-5.0.27
===>   Generating temporary packing list
===>  Checking if databases/mysql50-client already installed
===>   mysql-client-5.0.27 is already installed
 You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again
 by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly.
 If you really wish to overwrite the old port of
databases/mysql50-client
 without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER"
 in your environment or the "make install" command line.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-client.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/databases/p5-DBD-mysql50.
localhost#


Please help and advise, what should I do? I have tried to google allready
but could not find any solution

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Thanks!

BR / vj
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Re: Unable to login using KDE

[Andriy Babiy]

> > I am debugging a (seemingly) KDE-related problem on a FreeBSD laptop.
> > The version of FreeBSD is 6.1-RELEASE-p10 #0. I am starting in in
> > debug mode. It is using kdm as a login screen. The corresponding line
> > in /etc/ttys is
> >
> > ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon" xterm on secure
> >
> > The problem is: when I type the username and password and try to login
> > it returns me to the login screen again.
>
> What are the contents of your ~/.xsession? Check ~/.xsession-errors as
> well.

Do you use alpha-numeric symbols only in your password? The keyboard layout 
in kde might be different, so the same keys can generate different input. 
Try something simple and see if it works.

Andriy
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Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[Zhang Weiwu]

On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 23:58 -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> As for running Windows binaries of Office on Wine / Crossoffice, this is 
> tricky at best.. particularly with newer MS products (what with the 

Did you really try to run Windows applications on Crossoffice that
crossoffice claimed to be supported?

Frankly it's so much easier on wine. If something doesn't work on wine,
after some search I probably can fix it; if something doesn't work on
crossoffice I simply don't try spend one more minute searching for a
solution, because generally that means there is no solution.

Install some software on crossoffice is breezy: you follow a wizard and
later it's working. That's only from my limited experience because I
really didn't try a lot of windows software but I had this feeling.
That's why when the original poster ask the question I even didn't
mention the word "wine", I did this intentionally so that I can save him
time searching for solutions to fix wine or get disappointed by it. To
techies like us we have 3 solutions: 1) use OOS replacement; 2) dig into
wine and google around for a solution and 3) try buy crossoffice, for
NOVINCE user there are only two choices: 1) use OOS replacement; 2) buy
crossoffice if the software is supported. I simply give user-aspect
opinion from me.


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Re: Is FreeBSD simple enough for Novices, Will FreeBSD accept Office 98 + Publisher?

[Chris Slothouber]

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On 2007-04-27 22:20, james thompson wrote:
> How difficult is FreeBSD to use in place of MS windows, say compared to 
> Apple OSX?  I believe it may be able to run Offide 98; can Office 98 
> with Publisher be ran on FreeBSD?  I want to use FreeBSD to compose 
> articles, and combine them into a Book for publication, as a Home Office 
> Operation by a person with little experience beyond windows.   In 1995, 
> I took a MicroComputer Operating Systems course in Windows 3.11 and DOS 
> 6.22.   I have used Windows 95, 98, and XP Home & upgraded to Media Edition.

Hi James,

As far as being able to easily create articles, create a book, and
publish to a website, IMHO Apple OSX's ease-of-use and seamless design
takes the cake.  All new Macs (including the iMac) come with a very easy
to use (and powerful) set of applications called 'iLife'.  Included is
the 'iWeb' application, which makes the task of creating and updating an
attractive web space quite simple.  More information on this 'iWeb' app
can be found here:

http://www.apple.com/ilife/iweb/

On top of this, a 30-day trial for the 'iWork' bundle, which includes a
word processor/desktop publishing app called 'Pages' and presentation
software called 'Keynote' (basically PowerPoint on steroids, this is
what Al Gore used to create his much-ballyhooed 'PowerPoint'
presentation with).  If you want to keep using it, it's only $79 (versus
$200+ for the basic MS Office Suite for Windows).  Pretty good value for
software that fuses simplicity and power.  It can also import all of
your old MS Word documents without too much fuss.  Here's some info on that:

http://www.apple.com/iwork/pages/

I really don't mean to sound like I work for Apple, but since everyone
has given the opensource/FreeBSD side of your questions a fairly good
beating, I thought I'd present the other end of your email a fair
treatment.  All of this can be done very well on FreeBSD (or Linux, or
Windows) just the same, but as far as what you're asking, OSX truly does
make the whole job a heck of a lot easier, without sacrificing much
functionality.

I hope this information helps!

- - Chris

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Re: annoying problems after upgrading to 6.2-RELEASE

[Garrett Cooper]

Scott Bennett wrote:

 On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:38:31 -0400 quoth Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Please note that I posted the first two items merely to inform the
readership of the existence of the problems.  I only hoped for assistance
on the third problem.
 Now, given that you are among the core ports team members, perhaps
you would enlighten me as to which indicators pkg_add uses and which
indicators pkg_delete uses to decide whether a particular package or port
is already installed.  With that information in mind, I might be able to
fix the problem by hand.  Perhaps you could also explain the rationale behind
having them both not use the same indicators, too, so that it might not
simply appear to me to be a glaring design error.


	Check into /var/db/pkg if you wish. All of the installed pkg data is 
kept there.

I agree though with Kris. This email chain's a mess..
-Garrett
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