Re: DVD-RW drive

2007-09-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for 
some reason recognized as read only


acd0: DVDR  at ata0-slave UDMA66


why readonly? it is recognized fine, like my DVD-RW
acd0: DVDR  at ata1-master UDMA33



# ATA and ATAPI devices
device  ata
device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
device  ataraid # ATA RAID drives
device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
device  atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
device  atapist # ATAPI tape drives


everything OK, just why atapist? do you have IDE streamer?

I also edited my load.conf file with

hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"


I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and 
write but that is not even important since I can not

write anything even from the command line

I also get

[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0
/dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device


use cd0 only


[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0
/dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device


please

ls -l /dev/cd0
ls -l /dev/pass*

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Re: apache22 web root directive

2007-09-09 Thread Matthew Seaman
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Eric wrote:

> close, but I am not running in a non standard DocumentRoot as far as I
> know. its set to apache22's /usr/local/www/apache22/data, which is the
> default, but if you look at the mailgraph Makefile, it uses
> /usr/local/www/data for the install.
> 
> the more i look at it, the more it seems like its a mailgraph issue.
> 
> i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of /usr/local/www/data was
> around so long its just what everyone assumes, but from what I can tell,
> thats not the recommended practice. isnt it better to install to
> /usr/local/www/mailgraph and then alias things?

Web-based applications will generally install into a subdirectory of
/usr/local/www independent of what web server you use.  There are
some exceptions -- eg. cacti installs into /usr/local/share/cacti

This means that you will have to make provision in your httpd.conf
(or whatever the equivalent is for the webserver you're using) so
that the filesystem space the application lives in is mapped into
the URL-space provided by your webserver.  In apache, that typically
means setting up an alias and then applying appropriate access
controls in a  or  block.

Formerly many web applications installed into the apache specific
directory /usr/local/www/data but this behaviour is now discouraged.
It's not, AFAIK, absolutely forbidden, but you'ld have a hard time
getting a new port through committal if it behaved like that. I
don't think there has been a concerted effort to find all of the
older ports that install under /usr/local/www/data and modify them;
rather individual maintainers are expected to modify their ports as
the occasion arises.

Cheers,

Matthew

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RE: Disk errors when copying

2007-09-09 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


> -Original Message-
> From: Lars Eighner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:17 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: Richard Tobin; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: Disk errors when copying
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> Subject: Disk errors when copying
> >>
> >>
> >> When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors:
> >>
> >> ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request)
> >> LBA=435128800
> >> ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51
> >> error=10 LBA=435128800
> >> g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5
> >>
> >> I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10.  Is this
> >> some kind of system error rather than a bad disk?  Is it a
> known problem?
> >>
> >
> > Yes it is a known problem.  It does not happen with most combinations
> > of drives and controllers.  You need to exhaustively document the
> > motherboard/controller/hard disk and put it into a PR and file it
> > so that the developer can add your combo into his database.  The more
> > of these that are documented the quicker that a coorelation is going
> > to show up and get fixed.
>
> I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a couple of weeks
> and hundreds of bucks building a new system.
>

One of the rules of thumb when you have hardware problems with a new
system (I'm assuming of course that these UDMA errors have been
happening since the system was built) is to search both the FreeBSD
questions mailing list archives, and the PR database - both closed and
open PRs.  Particularly closed PRs are a wealth of information because
so many of them are closed for lack of followup.

A typical scenario is someone will report a problem like your having
and 3 months later the developer will make a change in the code and
then ask the reporter to test the change and see if it fixed the
problem.  By then the original reporter has gone on to something else
and won't respond.  The developer then closes the PR and assumes whatever
he did fixed the problem.

If you do find closed PRs that are the same problem and same hardware
as yours, definitely refer to their numbers in your PR.

Ted

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Re: ip assignments

2007-09-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:32:57 +1000
Norberto Meijome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> WRONG:
> ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0"
> ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" << THIS netmask should 
> be 255.255.255.255

ok, obviously in a rush this morning...

the second line of course should read ifconfig_bge0_alias0 . so the correct 
lines would be :

ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0"
ifconfig_bge0_alias0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.255"

My apologies for any confusion caused,
B
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X11 reports BadLength (poly request too large ...

2007-09-09 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

I mentioned this error before on the X11 list without getting a response.

I found out meanwhile that I get this error message only when I run my 
custom kernel. Running either the kernel from the 6.2 RELEASE or the 
rebuilt GENERIC kernel did not result in this error message.


I added this to the kernel configuration:

machine i386
cpu I486_CPU
cpu I586_CPU
#cpuI686_CPU
ident   P2120

plus

device  acpi_fujitsu# support for the additional buttons
device  acpi_video  # no real information given
device  cpufreq # support for none ACPI frequency control
device  drm # enables kernel support for direct rendering
device  radeondrm   # enables support of the ATI Radeon chipset


Erich

PS

The error message:

Script started on Thu Aug 30 14:18:40 2007
You have mail.
/home/erich > thunderbird &
[1] 42052
/home/erich > The program 'thunderbird-bin' received an X Window System 
error.

This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length 
erro'.

  (Details: serial 186251 error_code 16 request_code 18 minor_code 0)
  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
   that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
   To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
   option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() 
function.)

exit
[1]Exit 1thunderbird
exit

Script done on Thu Aug 30 15:03:39 2007

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Re: wxPython 2.8?

2007-09-09 Thread Luke Dean



On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Martin Tournoij wrote:


On Sun 09 Sep 2007 15:09, Luke Dean wrote:


I've got a Python app that seems to require wxPython 2.8.
The ports collection only has 2.6.
Do you think it would it be worthwhile for me to download the source and 
attempt to compile it on my system or should I ask the port
maintainer?


wxgtk 2.8 is in the ports collection(x11/toolkits/wxgtk28), you're
probably using an outdated snapshot of the ports collection.
See the FreeBSD handbook on how to update your ports collection:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html


I guess I don't understand the relationship between wxPython and wxgtk.
wxPython 2.6 builds with wxgtk 2.6 by default.  If it works with wxgtk
2.8, maybe that's what I need.  I'll give it a shot.  Thanks.


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subversion 1.4.4_1: svnserve.in missing

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender
I'm attempting to install subversion from the ports tree on 6.2 RELEASE 
using:


make install

and receive this error:

cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  -I./subversion/include 
-I./subversion   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 
-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/fs-base-test.o -c 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/fs-base-test.c
cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base && /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC 
--silent --mode=link cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  
-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42  -rpath /usr/local/lib -o 
fs-base-test  fs-base-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la 
/usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv 
/usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt  -lpthread -lintl  -lz
cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  -I./subversion/include 
-I./subversion   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 
-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/key-test.o -c 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/key-test.c
cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base && /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC 
--silent --mode=link cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  
-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42  -rpath /usr/local/lib -o 
key-test  key-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la 
/usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv 
/usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt  -lpthread -lintl  -lz
cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  -I./subversion/include 
-I./subversion   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 
-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/skel-test.o -c 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/skel-test.c
cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base && /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC 
--silent --mode=link cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  
-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42  -rpath /usr/local/lib -o 
skel-test  skel-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la 
/usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv 
/usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt  -lpthread -lintl  -lz
cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  -I./subversion/include 
-I./subversion   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1   -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 
-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/strings-reps-test.o -c 
subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/strings-reps-test.c
cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base && /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC 
--silent --mode=link cc  -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe   -g -O2  
-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42  -rpath /usr/local/lib -o 
strings-reps-test  strings-reps-test.o 
../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la 
../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la 
/usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv 
/usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt  -lpthread -lintl  -lz

/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/de.mo subversion/po/de.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/es.mo subversion/po/es.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/fr.mo subversion/po/fr.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/it.mo subversion/po/it.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/ja.mo subversion/po/ja.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/ko.mo subversion/po/ko.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/nb.mo subversion/po/nb.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/pl.mo subversion/po/pl.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/pt_BR.mo subversion/po/pt_BR.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/sv.mo subversion/po/sv.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/zh_CN.mo subversion/po/zh_CN.po
/usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/zh_TW.mo subversion/po/zh_TW.po
===>  Installing for subversion-1.4.4_1
** Missing /usr/ports/devel/subversion/files/svnserve.in for 
subversion-1.4.4_1.

*** Error code 1

Based on what I see in other ports, the .in files are used as 
configuration files for various portions of the build process.  Is this 
correct?


I attempted to build the port with this argument:

make -DWITH_PYTHON -DWITH_JAVA -DWITH_SVNSERVE_WRAPPER install

and receive the same error message, though with a much smaller buil

Re: setting up xorg - mouse

2007-09-09 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,


Martin Tournoij wrote:

On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote:
Hi,
right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am


I updated meanwhile to 7.2, but the result stayed the same.


Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top.


One list on top, the other on bottom. It is geting confusing.


Erich, what is your mouse configuration?
Also try and locate the problem in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

This is a generic configuration:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol"  "Auto"
Option  "Device""/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
Option  "Buttons"   "5"
EndSection


I also just tried yours. The same result.


You may need to change the "Indentifier" line, see your ServerLayout.


I changed it.

The mouse cursor is visible but I cannot move the mouse cursor.

If I remove the mouse definition, X starts normally allowing me to use 
the mouse again.


Te machine is a Fujitsu P2120. The mouse is the built-in trackpoint.

Here is the log file without the mouse being in xorg.conf:

#
# This is the log file when X is started without the mouse definition in 
xorg.conf.

#
# All other lines are removed.
#
X Window System Version 7.2.0
Release Date: 22 January 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386

(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"

(WW) The core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout.
Using the default mouse configuration.

(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.2.0, module version = 1.1.1
Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7



(II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.6.3) for chipsets: ati, ativga
(II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets:



(==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled


(II) : SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse
(WW) fcntl(8, O_ASYNC): Inappropriate ioctl for device
(**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveScreen(2)
(II) 3rd Button detected: disabling emulate3Button

=

Here is the log with the mouse defined in xorg.conf:


X Window System Version 7.2.0
Release Date: 22 January 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386
Current Operating System: FreeBSD P2120.somewherefaraway.com 6.2-STABLE 
FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Fri Sep  7 17:36:24 SGT 2007 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386

moBuild Date: 07 July 2007
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Sep 10 10:12:18 2007
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) |   |-->Device "Card0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"



(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.2.0, module version = 1.1.1
Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7


(==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled

(**) Option "Protocol" "Auto"
(**) Mouse0: Device: "/dev/sysmouse"
(**) Mouse0: Protocol: "Auto"
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) Mouse0: Core Pointer
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
(**) Option "Buttons" "5"
(==) Mouse0: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) Mouse0: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) Mouse0: Buttons: 9



(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE)
(II) Mouse0: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0
(II) Mouse0: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse




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Net-snmp dying with an "ld-elf" error at start on brand new FreeBSD install

2007-09-09 Thread Philip B
I've just set up my 1st FreeBSD box to use as a home router/firewall,
replacing my recently departed Linksys all-in-one.

I installed the latest FeeBSD release, version 6.2-RELEASE.

I installed the Net-Snmp port, with the goal of eventually using it
with RRDTool to graph & monitor activity on the box.

After configuring my snmpd.conf file, and enabling Snmp in rc.conf, I
try to start the snmp daemon with

  /usr/local/etc/rc.d/snmpd start

Unfortunately, it doesn't launch and reports an error in my shell.

  Starting snmpd.
  /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/sbin/snmpd: Undefined symbol
"PL_markstack_ptr"

I've tailed /var/log/messages, but there's nothing reported.

I've Googled on "PL_markstack_ptr snmpd" and got back only 5 hits,
none which seem to explain this problem at runtime.

I don't know even where to begin to dig.

Any wise old folks in here lend a hand?

Phil
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Re: apache22 web root directive

2007-09-09 Thread Computer Answers
One idea I had would be to use a symlink ?

On 9/9/07, Robert Huff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Eric writes:
>
> >  i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of
> >  /usr/local/www/data was around so long its just what everyone
> >  assumes,
>
> Not only is that a really bad assumption, but I think I
> remember a message from the (apache22) post-install warning things
> had changed.
>
>
> Robert Huff
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Re: apache22 web root directive

2007-09-09 Thread Eric

Robert Huff wrote:

Eric writes:


 Is there a directive to add to make.conf or anywhere else to tell
 ports what directory my webroot is? when i was running apache20,
 things like mailgraph installed files in the proper
 location. Recently I just updated to apache22 and now mailmail
 still insists on creating directories under the old directory
 layout. is this a mailgraph port problem or do I have a missing
 directive somewhere telling ports where my document root is?


Let me see if I understand:
You're running apache22, with DocumentRoot and/or ServerRoot in
a non-standard location.  Because of this, a third-party application
is malfunctioning.
You are looking for a single way for that and other
applications to tell at run-time where the new location is.
No such critter, as far as I know.  For those applications that
accept environment variables of command-lind switches, it should be
trivial to write a wrapper script to parse httpd,conf and provide
the correct information.
For a compile-time switch, portupgrade users can use
pkgtools.cfg; others will have to look elsewhere.




close, but I am not running in a non standard DocumentRoot as far as I 
know. its set to apache22's /usr/local/www/apache22/data, which is the 
default, but if you look at the mailgraph Makefile, it uses 
/usr/local/www/data for the install.


the more i look at it, the more it seems like its a mailgraph issue.

i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of /usr/local/www/data was 
around so long its just what everyone assumes, but from what I can tell, 
thats not the recommended practice. isnt it better to install to 
/usr/local/www/mailgraph and then alias things?


I included the maintainer to see if this is the case and perhaps the 
Makefile should be changed and or post install instructions can be updated


Eric
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Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring

2007-09-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:05:03 -0700
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Get a personal website from the ISP

Definitely - testing from anywhere else than somewhere in your ISP's network
will add to the equation all the bandwidth-affecting-factors to/from the
*other* network / hosts. Once you've proven your point within your ISP's
network, you can move on to discuss whether your connection to the outer world
is worse than expected.

> 
> Upload a file to the personal webserver

I would suggest "a large file" - small files will not be good enough for
measuring your download speed. at least > 20 Mb.

> 
> Download the file from the personal webserver.
> 
> If the bandwidth isn't what it's supposed to be, then
> have the ISP call the local telephone company and have
> that company check to see that your modem is training at
> the correct rate.
> 
> adsl modems will train at lower speeds if there is
> trouble with the phone line.

indeed, issues with your phone socket where u connect your modem to + overall
quality of the line will make a big difference. I drop from 3.5 Mb / 900K from
on socket in my place to 2.8 / 600 in another. Same phone line ,different
cable/socket, same modem. (that's the speed reported by the modem itself).

BTW, what is the speed reported by the modem itself? most modems have a webpage
to get , at least, this information from - even if running in bridged mode.
Check the manufacturers website for information on how to do this.

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Re: apache22 web root directive

2007-09-09 Thread Robert Huff

Eric writes:

>  i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of
>  /usr/local/www/data was around so long its just what everyone
>  assumes,

Not only is that a really bad assumption, but I think I 
remember a message from the (apache22) post-install warning things
had changed.


Robert Huff
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Re: Apache 2.0.61 and SSL start

2007-09-09 Thread Tim Kellers

Thanks Dave,

I tried that, no luck.

Tim

Dave wrote:

Hello,
   Try adding the line:

apache2ssl_enable="YES"

   to /etc/rc.conf that should do it.
Hth
Dave.

- Original Message - From: "Tim Kellers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Apache 2.0.61 and SSL start


I portupgraded my apache 2.0.59 to 61 today with no errors, but on 
restart, SSL wasn't loaded.


/usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2 start  starts the server (I have 
apache2enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf), but ssl isn't loaded.


apachectl -k start -DSSL prompts me for my sslcert passphrase, and, 
after I enter it, allows https access on port 443.


When started with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2

www# ps -waux | grep http

root 61279  6.3  6.3 25624 15928  ??  Ss8:23PM   0:00.80 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61280  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61281  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61282  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61283  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61284  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
root 61286  0.0  0.1   372   216  p2  R+8:23PM   0:00.00 grep 
http


When started with apachectl -k start -DSSL

www# ps -waux | grep http
root 61310 12.1  6.4 25868 16304  ??  Ss8:25PM   0:01.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61311  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61312  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61313  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61314  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61315  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
root 61317  0.0  0.1   372   216  p2  R+8:25PM   0:00.00 grep 
http


Any ideas where I am going wrong?

Tim Kellers




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Re: ip assignments

2007-09-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:50:11 -0700
jekillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have built a machine with two network interfaces and tried
> assigning local addresses in the same subnet mask:
> 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 for example to each of the
> interfaces and only one of the interfaces will respond to
> a connection attempt (via ftp or ssh for example). I found
> that each of the interfaces have to be assigned an address
> in a different subnet. for them to both be usable.

hi Jeff,
please show us the relevant settings in rc.conf (or the ifconfig commands you 
issue if you havent set these settings in rc.conf yet).

My gut feelling tells me you are setting the netmask for the  aliased 
interfaces to the "proper" netmask (eg, 255.255.255.0) , rather than the /32 
netmask aliases *ON THE SAME SUBNET AS OTHER IP ON SAME NIC* should have.

eg:
WRONG:
ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0"
ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" << THIS netmask should 
be 255.255.255.255

Search the archives for the reasons behind this. I believe the reasons are 
specific to FreeBSD TCP/IP stack.

Best,
B
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Re: wxPython 2.8?

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 15:09, Luke Dean wrote:
> 
> I've got a Python app that seems to require wxPython 2.8.
> The ports collection only has 2.6.
> Do you think it would it be worthwhile for me to download the source and 
> attempt to compile it on my system or should I ask the port 
> maintainer?

wxgtk 2.8 is in the ports collection(x11/toolkits/wxgtk28), you're
probably using an outdated snapshot of the ports collection.
See the FreeBSD handbook on how to update your ports collection:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html

Regards,
Martin Tournoij
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Apache 2.0.61 and SSL start

2007-09-09 Thread Tim Kellers
I portupgraded my apache 2.0.59 to 61 today with no errors, but on 
restart, SSL wasn't loaded.


/usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2 start  starts the server (I have  
apache2enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf), but ssl isn't loaded.


apachectl -k start -DSSL prompts me for my sslcert passphrase, and, 
after I enter it, allows https access on port 443.


When started with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2

www# ps -waux | grep http

root 61279  6.3  6.3 25624 15928  ??  Ss8:23PM   0:00.80 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61280  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61281  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61282  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61283  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www  61284  0.0  6.3 25624 15944  ??  S 8:23PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd

root 61286  0.0  0.1   372   216  p2  R+8:23PM   0:00.00 grep http

When started with apachectl -k start -DSSL

www# ps -waux | grep http
root 61310 12.1  6.4 25868 16304  ??  Ss8:25PM   0:01.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61311  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.01 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61312  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61313  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61314  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL
www  61315  0.0  6.4 25868 16312  ??  S 8:25PM   0:00.00 
/usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL

root 61317  0.0  0.1   372   216  p2  R+8:25PM   0:00.00 grep http

Any ideas where I am going wrong?

Tim Kellers




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apache22 web root directive

2007-09-09 Thread Robert Huff
Eric writes:

>  Is there a directive to add to make.conf or anywhere else to tell
>  ports what directory my webroot is? when i was running apache20,
>  things like mailgraph installed files in the proper
>  location. Recently I just updated to apache22 and now mailmail
>  still insists on creating directories under the old directory
>  layout. is this a mailgraph port problem or do I have a missing
>  directive somewhere telling ports where my document root is?

Let me see if I understand:
You're running apache22, with DocumentRoot and/or ServerRoot in
a non-standard location.  Because of this, a third-party application
is malfunctioning.
You are looking for a single way for that and other
applications to tell at run-time where the new location is.
No such critter, as far as I know.  For those applications that
accept environment variables of command-lind switches, it should be
trivial to write a wrapper script to parse httpd,conf and provide
the correct information.
For a compile-time switch, portupgrade users can use
pkgtools.cfg; others will have to look elsewhere.


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wxPython 2.8?

2007-09-09 Thread Luke Dean


I've got a Python app that seems to require wxPython 2.8.
The ports collection only has 2.6.
Do you think it would it be worthwhile for me to download the source and 
attempt to compile it on my system or should I ask the port maintainer?

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Re: DVD-RW drive

2007-09-09 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Absolute success!!! Media is completely readable. I still cannot get 
Gnome rw tools to behave and K3b is complaining about few outdated 
packages which I am afraid to update since probably the Gnome depends on 
it but who cares. Command line rules!


Thanks a lot body one more time!
Predrag Punosevac

Martin Tournoij wrote:

On Sun 09 Sep 2007 16:09, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
  

I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for 
some reason recognized as read only

acd0: DVDR  at ata0-slave UDMA66

I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor 
install my own kernel)
so the following lines are present in my GENERIC

[pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device  ata
device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
device  ataraid # ATA RAID drives
device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
device  atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
device  atapist # ATAPI tape drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID   # Static device numbering
# SCSI peripherals
device  scbus   # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
device  ch  # SCSI media changers
device  da  # Direct Access (disks)
device  sa  # Sequential Access (tape etc)
device  cd  # CD
device  pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)
device  ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE)


I also edited my load.conf file with

hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"


I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and 
write but that is not even important since I can not
write anything even from the command line

I also get

[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0
/dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0
/dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device

Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working 
flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable.

Any suggestions.

Thank you so much


You need to use ATAPICAM if you want to use ATA cd-writers, see the
FreeBSD handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM

A small addition to the handbook:
You don't need to reboot your machine, the command:
$ kldload atapicam
Will load the module at runtime.

Use /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/acd0 for all writing purposes.

Maybe PCBSD does this automagiclly? Can't comment on that since I
don't use PCBSD.
  


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Re: DVD-RW drive

2007-09-09 Thread Predrag Punosevac

I add atapicam_load="YES" into loader.conf file

dmesg is still acd0: DVDR  at ata0-slave UDMA66

However from the command line

[root@ ~]# growisofs -dvd-compat -Z 
/dev/cd0=/usr/home/Pedja/TeXLive/texlive2007-live-20070212.iso


Executing 'builtin_dd 
if=/usr/home/Pedja/TeXLive/texlive2007-live-20070212.iso of=/dev/pass0 
obs=32k seek=0'


Apparently success. Thank you. I read the Handbook so many times but I 
obviously didn't read my kernel properly.



Thanks again!


Martin Tournoij wrote:

On Sun 09 Sep 2007 16:09, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
  

I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for 
some reason recognized as read only

acd0: DVDR  at ata0-slave UDMA66

I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor 
install my own kernel)
so the following lines are present in my GENERIC

[pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device  ata
device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
device  ataraid # ATA RAID drives
device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
device  atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
device  atapist # ATAPI tape drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID   # Static device numbering
# SCSI peripherals
device  scbus   # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
device  ch  # SCSI media changers
device  da  # Direct Access (disks)
device  sa  # Sequential Access (tape etc)
device  cd  # CD
device  pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)
device  ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE)


I also edited my load.conf file with

hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"


I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and 
write but that is not even important since I can not
write anything even from the command line

I also get

[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0
/dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0
/dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device

Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working 
flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable.

Any suggestions.

Thank you so much


You need to use ATAPICAM if you want to use ATA cd-writers, see the
FreeBSD handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM

A small addition to the handbook:
You don't need to reboot your machine, the command:
$ kldload atapicam
Will load the module at runtime.

Use /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/acd0 for all writing purposes.

Maybe PCBSD does this automagiclly? Can't comment on that since I
don't use PCBSD.
  


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apache22 web root directive

2007-09-09 Thread Eric
Is there a directive to add to make.conf or anywhere else to tell ports 
what directory my webroot is? when i was running apache20, things like 
mailgraph installed files in the proper location. Recently I just 
updated to apache22 and now mailmail still insists on creating 
directories under the old directory layout. is this a mailgraph port 
problem or do I have a missing directive somewhere telling ports where 
my document root is?


Thanks!

Eric
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Monday 10 September 2007 00:52:08 Martin Tournoij wrote:

> Thought you could only fetch the sysctl values defined in sys/sysctl.h
> with sysctl()/sysctlbyname(), apparently not...

No, I believe those are guaranteed to be available (more to the point: made 
available through /boot/kernel/kernel). Kernel modules (and as such drivers) 
can also expose their settings via sysctl and since they can be loaded 
dynamically and don't have to be part of the base src tree, sys/sysctl.h 
doesn't know about them. For example:
sysctl vfs.fuse.fuse4bsd_version
vfs.fuse.fuse4bsd_version: 0.3.9-pre1

which is /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod.

-- 
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Re: DVD-RW drive

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 16:09, Predrag Punosevac wrote:
> I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for 
> some reason recognized as read only
> 
> acd0: DVDR  at ata0-slave UDMA66
> 
> I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor 
> install my own kernel)
> so the following lines are present in my GENERIC
> 
> [pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC
> 
> # ATA and ATAPI devices
> device  ata
> device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
> device  ataraid # ATA RAID drives
> device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
> device  atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
> device  atapist # ATAPI tape drives
> options ATA_STATIC_ID   # Static device numbering
> # SCSI peripherals
> device  scbus   # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
> device  ch  # SCSI media changers
> device  da  # Direct Access (disks)
> device  sa  # Sequential Access (tape etc)
> device  cd  # CD
> device  pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)
> device  ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE)
> 
> 
> I also edited my load.conf file with
> 
> hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
> hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"
> 
> 
> I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and 
> write but that is not even important since I can not
> write anything even from the command line
> 
> I also get
> 
> [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0
> /dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device
> [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0
> /dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device
> 
> Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working 
> flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable.
> 
> Any suggestions.
> 
> Thank you so much
You need to use ATAPICAM if you want to use ATA cd-writers, see the
FreeBSD handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM

A small addition to the handbook:
You don't need to reboot your machine, the command:
$ kldload atapicam
Will load the module at runtime.

Use /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/acd0 for all writing purposes.

Maybe PCBSD does this automagiclly? Can't comment on that since I
don't use PCBSD.
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender

Adam J Richardson wrote:

Mel wrote:
You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf or 
/var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in 
MAKE_ARGS somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango.


Hi Kyle.

I think Mel has hit on the answer here. Pango is being built without X 
support.


I had this exact error myself. A few libraries [Pango, Cairo etc] 
weren't allowing themselves to be built on. Turns out I had in my 
/etc/make.conf the lines


NO_X=true
WITHOUT_X11=true

to speed up "make buildworld". Then I installed X from packages on 
this machine. A bit later I tried to build Firefox... took me a week 
to figure it out.


In summary, just comment out any "NO_X" and "WITHOUT_X11" lines in the 
locations Mel suggested. Then remove, rebuild and reinstall Pango. 
After that's done Firefox should build properly.


HtH,
Adam J Richardson
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That was precisely the problem - my /etc/make.conf had WITHOUT_X11 from 
when I was trying to get CalendarServer installed a few weeks ago.  
After I commented that out, firefox built without issue.


Thanks for both your help - 'tis appreciated.

K
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DVD-RW drive

2007-09-09 Thread Predrag Punosevac
I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is 
for some reason recognized as read only


acd0: DVDR  at ata0-slave UDMA66

I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile 
nor install my own kernel)

so the following lines are present in my GENERIC

[pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device  ata
device  atadisk # ATA disk drives
device  ataraid # ATA RAID drives
device  atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
device  atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
device  atapist # ATAPI tape drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID   # Static device numbering
# SCSI peripherals
device  scbus   # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
device  ch  # SCSI media changers
device  da  # Direct Access (disks)
device  sa  # Sequential Access (tape etc)
device  cd  # CD
device  pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)
device  ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE)


I also edited my load.conf file with

hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
hw.ata.atapi_dma="1"


I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read 
and write but that is not even important since I can not

write anything even from the command line

I also get

[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0
/dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0
/dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device

Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working 
flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable.


Any suggestions.

Thank you so much

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Re: nvidia-driver rebooting machine on X startup

2007-09-09 Thread Eric Ekong
* Mel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070908 10:59]:
> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:59:32 +0200
> From: Mel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: nvidia-driver rebooting machine on X startup
> 
> On Saturday 08 September 2007 00:43:59 Darren Spruell wrote:
> > On 9/7/07, Mel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Friday 07 September 2007 19:43:03 Darren Spruell wrote:
> > > > On 9/6/07, Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >  At 03:10 PM 9/6/2007, Darren Spruell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Wondering if this is a known issue, or if anyone has suggestions to
> > > > >  get it working...?
> > > > >
> > > > >  Running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 SMP i386.
> > > > >
> > > > >  I installed nvidia-driver-100.14.11 from ports (Sep. 5 snapshot),
> > > > >  Linux compatibility enabled. After loading modules 'linux' and
> > > > >  'nvidia', I do:
> > > > >
> > > > >  # X -configure
> > > > >  # X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
> > > > >
> > > > >  At this point the system spontaneously reboots. 'X -configure' runs
> > > > >  fine and produces a configuration without issue, but the reboot
> > > > >  occcurs when launching X. Nothing is output to screen (it flickers
> > > > > as if starting X), and nothing is written to /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I
> > > > > do get the same behavior if running 'xorgcfg'.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Card info:
> > > > >
> > > > >  "NV41 [Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI] rev 162"
> > > > >
> > > > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0: class=0x03 card=0x029b10de chip=0x00cd10de
> > > > >  rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00
> > > > >  vendor   = 'NVIDIA Corporation'
> > > > >  class= display
> > > > >  subclass = VGA
> > > > >
> > > > >  I've tried an alternate version of the binary driver
> > > > >  (nvidia-driver-96xx) to see if there was any change, and it also
> > > > >  reboots on X startup.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  --
> > > > >  Check your AGP settings and consult the readme, chapter 9, for the
> > > > > latest driver.  You should be running the latest driver with your
> > > > > card.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Make sure you have the correct AGP settings, either letting FreeBSD
> > > > > do it in the kernel or disable the kernel and let the Nvidia driver
> > > > > manage it.
> > > >
> > > > So, I'm not having terrific luck with any combination of settings I
> > > > try.
> > > >
> > > > The latest FreeBSD driver release from Nvidia is the same as the
> > > > version in the ports tree. This is what I've installed.
> > > >
> > > > Attempting the AGPGART route (building the driver with
> > > > "WITH_FREEBSD_AGP=yes" and disabling NvAgp support in xorg.conf) still
> > > > results in a reboot.
> > > >
> > > > Going the NvAGP route (Building without support for AGPGART, setting
> > > > NvAgp to 1 in the xorg.conf, and setting hint.agp.0.disabled=1 in
> > > > /boot/device.hints) also results in a reboot when X starts. One thing
> > > > I notice here; when I specify hint.agp.0.disabled=1, and check the
> > > > output of 'kldstat -v' after booting, I still see several agp drivers
> > > > loaded:
> > > >
> > > > $ kldstat -v |grep -i agp
> > > > 387 pci/agp_ali
> > > > 388 pci/agp_amd
> > > > 389 pci/agp_amd64
> > > > 390 pci/agp_ati
> > > > 391 pci/agp_i810
> > > > 392 pci/agp_intel
> > > > 393 pci/agp_nvidia
> > > > 394 pci/agp_sis
> > > > 395 pci/agp_via
> > > >
> > > > Is this a problem?
> > > >
> > > > I suspect a couple of problems with what I'm doing. Number one,
> > > > there's several knobs to turn (in the driver, in the OS, etc.) and
> > > > it's possible I'm not getting the correct combination. Other thing is,
> > > > I've been told by a technician that this is a PCI Express video card,
> > > > so would AGP even come into play?
> > >
> > > Probably not. I'm seeing the same thing on one machine, no AGP on MB, and
> > > agp kernel modules loaded, but nvidia-driver doesn't care about it.
> > > Let's kill all red herrings:
> > > - Is COMPAT5X in the kernel?
> >
> > COMPAT5X doesn't show up anywhere in /usr/src/; I do have 'options
> > COMPAT_FREEBSD5'  defined, though (stock SMP kernel).
> >
> > > - Does running `nvidia-xconfig --query-gpu-info' reboot the system?
> > > - If you do not load the nvidia kernel module, but use Xorg's "nv" driver
> > > does this reboot the system?
> >
> > No, doesn't reboot the system. Output attached below.
> >
> > With the 'nv' driver, X starts fine. I don't use it because I don't
> > have success with the two output displays and xinerama window sizing.
> >
> > nvidia-xconfig --query-gpu-info:
> >
> > Number of GPUs: 1
> >
> > GPU #0:
> >   Name  : Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI
> >   PCI BusID : PCI:7:0:0
> >
> >   Number of Display Devices: 2
> >
> >   Display Device 0 (CRT-0):
> >  EDID Name : DELL 2001FP
> >  Minimum HorizSync : 31.000 kHz
> >  Maximum HorizSync : 80.000 kHz
> >  Minimum Ver

Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
On Mon 10 Sep 2007 00:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:04:45AM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> > On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
> > > > 
> > > > #include 
> > > > #include 
> > > > #include 
> > > > #include 
> > > > #include 
> > > > #include 
> > > > 
> > > > int main()
> > > > {
> > > > int mib[2];
> > > > size_t size;
> > > > struct clockinfo clockrate;
> > > > 
> > > > mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
> > > > mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
> > > > size = sizeof clockrate;
> > > > sysctl(mib, 2, &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);
> > > > 
> > > > fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate.hz);
> > > > fprintf(stdout, "tick: %i\n", clockrate.tick);
> > > > fprintf(stdout, "spare: %i\n", clockrate.spare);
> > > > fprintf(stdout, "stathz: %i\n", clockrate.stathz);
> > > > fprintf(stdout, "profhz: %i\n", clockrate.profhz);
> > > > 
> > > > return 0;
> > > > }
> > > > 
> > > > I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 
> > > > 1378 and
> > > > the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
> > > > hz: 1000
> > > > tick: 1000
> > > > spare: 0
> > > > stathz: 133
> > > > profhz: 666
> > > > 
> > > > The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably 
> > > > a some
> > > > stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
> > > 
> > > None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with 
> > > the
> > > CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
> > > output from both machines.
> > > 
> > > I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
> > > If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
> > > look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
> > 
> > I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
> > 
> > hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?),
> 
> Of course it is.  Using sysctlbyname(3) to access it works fine:
> 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main()
> {
> size_t size;
> int clockrate;
> 
> size = sizeof clockrate;
> sysctlbyname("hw.clockrate", &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);
> 
> fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate);
> return 0;
> }
> 
> 
> hw.clockrate does however only seem to exist on i386 and amd64 architectures
> so if you are running on something else you will have to find some
> alternative solution. (Parsing the dmesg(8) output?)
> 
> 
> 
> > exec-ing sysctl
> > hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...
> > 
> > dev.cpu.0.freq doesn't seem to exists on my (Athlon) CPU, it
> > does on my PIII CPU though.
> 
> It partly depends on the CPU, and mostly on the BIOS if the cpufreq(4)
> kernel module will be activated (assuming it has been loaded in the first
> place of course.)

Thought you could only fetch the sysctl values defined in sys/sysctl.h
with sysctl()/sysctlbyname(), apparently not...

Thank you for the help Erik and Mel!
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:04:45AM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> > > I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
> > > 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > 
> > > int main()
> > > {
> > > int mib[2];
> > > size_t size;
> > > struct clockinfo clockrate;
> > > 
> > > mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
> > > mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
> > > size = sizeof clockrate;
> > > sysctl(mib, 2, &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);
> > > 
> > > fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate.hz);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "tick: %i\n", clockrate.tick);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "spare: %i\n", clockrate.spare);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "stathz: %i\n", clockrate.stathz);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "profhz: %i\n", clockrate.profhz);
> > > 
> > > return 0;
> > > }
> > > 
> > > I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 
> > > and
> > > the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
> > > hz: 1000
> > > tick: 1000
> > > spare: 0
> > > stathz: 133
> > > profhz: 666
> > > 
> > > The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a 
> > > some
> > > stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
> > 
> > None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with the
> > CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
> > output from both machines.
> > 
> > I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
> > If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
> > look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
> 
> I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
> 
> hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?),

Of course it is.  Using sysctlbyname(3) to access it works fine:

#include 
#include 
#include 

int main()
{
size_t size;
int clockrate;

size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctlbyname("hw.clockrate", &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);

fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate);
return 0;
}


hw.clockrate does however only seem to exist on i386 and amd64 architectures
so if you are running on something else you will have to find some
alternative solution. (Parsing the dmesg(8) output?)



> exec-ing sysctl
> hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...
> 
> dev.cpu.0.freq doesn't seem to exists on my (Athlon) CPU, it
> does on my PIII CPU though.

It partly depends on the CPU, and mostly on the BIOS if the cpufreq(4)
kernel module will be activated (assuming it has been loaded in the first
place of course.)


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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Monday 10 September 2007 00:07:55 Adam J Richardson wrote:

> By the way, can you check your return address? I'm getting mailer daemon
> errors for "fbsd.questions".

And so are the ~20 spammers who picked up the address within 24 hours after 
first list post. Only FreeBSD domain is allowed and people that request it. 
Gotta love postfix smtpd_restriction_classes.

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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Monday 10 September 2007 00:04:45 Martin Tournoij wrote:
> On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> > > I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
> > >
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > > #include 
> > >
> > > int main()
> > > {
> > > int mib[2];
> > > size_t size;
> > > struct clockinfo clockrate;
> > >
> > > mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
> > > mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
> > > size = sizeof clockrate;
> > > sysctl(mib, 2, &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);
> > >
> > > fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate.hz);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "tick: %i\n", clockrate.tick);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "spare: %i\n", clockrate.spare);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "stathz: %i\n", clockrate.stathz);
> > > fprintf(stdout, "profhz: %i\n", clockrate.profhz);
> > >
> > > return 0;
> > > }
> > >
> > > I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate:
> > > 1378 and the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
> > > hz: 1000
> > > tick: 1000
> > > spare: 0
> > > stathz: 133
> > > profhz: 666
> > >
> > > The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably
> > > a some stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
> >
> > None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with
> > the CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the
> > same output from both machines.
> >
> > I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
> > If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
> > look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
>
> I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
>
> hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?), exec-ing sysctl
> hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...

int main()
{
const char mib[] = "hw.clockrate";
size_t size = sizeof(int);
int clockrate;

sysctlbyname(mib, (void *)&clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);

fprintf(stdout, "clockrate: %i\n", clockrate);

return 0;
}


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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Adam J Richardson

Mel wrote:

Yeah, I figured he wouldn't be alone in this:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116236


That makes it nice and clear. Thanks.

By the way, can you check your return address? I'm getting mailer daemon 
errors for "fbsd.questions".


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Re: Sony Ericsson: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): NOT READY asc:3a, 0 (repeated)

2007-09-09 Thread Adam J Richardson

Snow Mountains wrote:

I posted this question 10 days ago, got no replies. Is it possible
nobody here installed CD release of FreeBSD 6.2 and has Sony Ericsson
mobile phone or something similar which causes similar problem? :-)

Maybe summer time is the cause :-) So let me repeat:


Hi Snow.

It might be that no one knows the answer to your question. I myself have 
a phone that connects by USB, but it is a Nokia N90 and has no problems 
being detected. [It detects fine, but doesn't do anything useful. I'll 
figure out how, I'm sure.]


Looking at your messages, the "disconnected" and "lost device" errors 
could be caused by a bad cable. Could that cause the SCSI errors too? 
Can you test with another cable?


It's a good idea to upgrade from the CD release. I think the CD version 
is the same as the CVS version tagged RELENG_6 [someone will correct me 
if I'm wrong, I'm sure]. My systems are all using 6.2-RELEASE-p7, which 
is the same as RELENG_6_2, I think? I'm not sure about that. [I can't 
check with my build server since I managed to trash my last Windows 
installation, leaving me without a VMware Player 2 to run it on.]


HtH,
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> > I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
> > 
> > #include 
> > #include 
> > #include 
> > #include 
> > #include 
> > #include 
> > 
> > int main()
> > {
> > int mib[2];
> > size_t size;
> > struct clockinfo clockrate;
> > 
> > mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
> > mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
> > size = sizeof clockrate;
> > sysctl(mib, 2, &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);
> > 
> > fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate.hz);
> > fprintf(stdout, "tick: %i\n", clockrate.tick);
> > fprintf(stdout, "spare: %i\n", clockrate.spare);
> > fprintf(stdout, "stathz: %i\n", clockrate.stathz);
> > fprintf(stdout, "profhz: %i\n", clockrate.profhz);
> > 
> > return 0;
> > }
> > 
> > I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 and
> > the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
> > hz: 1000
> > tick: 1000
> > spare: 0
> > stathz: 133
> > profhz: 666
> > 
> > The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a 
> > some
> > stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
> 
> None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with the
> CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
> output from both machines.
> 
> I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
> If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
> look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.

I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h

hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?), exec-ing sysctl
hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...

dev.cpu.0.freq doesn't seem to exists on my (Athlon) CPU, it
does on my PIII CPU though.
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Sunday 09 September 2007 23:28:59 Adam J Richardson wrote:
> Mel wrote:
> > You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf
> > or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in
> > MAKE_ARGS somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango.
>
> Hi Kyle.
>
> I think Mel has hit on the answer here. Pango is being built without X
> support.
>
> I had this exact error myself. A few libraries [Pango, Cairo etc]
> weren't allowing themselves to be built on. Turns out I had in my
> /etc/make.conf the lines
>
> NO_X=true
> WITHOUT_X11=true
>
> to speed up "make buildworld". Then I installed X from packages on this
> machine. A bit later I tried to build Firefox... took me a week to
> figure it out.
>
> In summary, just comment out any "NO_X" and "WITHOUT_X11" lines in the
> locations Mel suggested. Then remove, rebuild and reinstall Pango. After
> that's done Firefox should build properly.

Yeah, I figured he wouldn't be alone in this:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116236

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Re: setting up xorg - mouse

2007-09-09 Thread Computer Answers

Does the mouse work in the console ("DOS-screen")?
xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't
running or badly configured.
Try running:
moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0
Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier.

Alright -  I will try this.


Hi,

I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X
starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse
definition is given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse.

Allright


Note:
Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top.

This is a prefference issue - on most mailing lists I am not they don't care
-- is this a fBSD-q rule?

On 9/9/07, Martin Tournoij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote:
> > Hi,
> > right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am
> > unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse.
> > ~comperr
> > >>>On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured?
> > >>>See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details:
> > >>>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE
> > >>>
> > >>>Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect
> to
> > >>>your PC (PS2 or USB)?
> > >>>
> > >>>What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> > >>>
> > >>On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote:
> > >>sorry about the time delay:
> > >>um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView
> > >>I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different
> > >>mouse types each time.  None of them work.
> > >>
> > >>as for xorg.conf
> > >>Section "InputDevice"
> > >>Identifier "Mouse0"
> > >>Driver "mouse"
> > >>Option "Protocall" "Auto"
> > >>Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> > >>
> > >>(side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only
> > >>a keyboard that would be really nice
> > >Martin Tournoij wrote:
> > >Does the mouse work in the console ("DOS-screen")?
> > >xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't
> > >running or badly configured.
> > >Try running:
> > >moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0
> > >Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier.
> > On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X
> > starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse
> definition is
> > given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse.
> >
> > Erich
> >
>
> Note:
> Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top.
> Thank you.
>
> Erich, what is your mouse configuration?
> Also try and locate the problem in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>
> This is a generic configuration:
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier  "mouse"
> Driver  "mouse"
> Option  "Protocol"  "Auto"
> Option  "Device""/dev/sysmouse"
> Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
> Option  "Buttons"   "5"
> EndSection
>
> You may need to change the "Indentifier" line, see your ServerLayout.
>
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Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring

2007-09-09 Thread RW
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:16:35 -0700
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ...
> However, the thing that most people (who don't work at telcos) do not
> understand is that the telcos found very quickly that they cannot put
> contention into an ATM network comprised of a DSL atm circuits for a
> very simple reason.
> 
> ...
> SO, the cost of discarding a single 56 byte ATM cell means the ATM
> cloud will have to get another 1400 bytes of data retransmitted
> through it.
> 
> It doesen't take a rocket scientist to see that introducing contention
> into an ATM circuit carrying a DSL circuit will cause a massive
> increase in traffic in the switch, and wipe out any gains from
> contention. 



I don't know much about DSLAMS, but ATM switches have been able to drop
whole AAL5 frames for a long time. Do DSLAMS really not have EPD/PPD? 

However the contention is done, it definitely happens in the UK. 
 
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Adam J Richardson

Mel wrote:
You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf 
or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in MAKE_ARGS 
somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango.


Hi Kyle.

I think Mel has hit on the answer here. Pango is being built without X 
support.


I had this exact error myself. A few libraries [Pango, Cairo etc] 
weren't allowing themselves to be built on. Turns out I had in my 
/etc/make.conf the lines


NO_X=true
WITHOUT_X11=true

to speed up "make buildworld". Then I installed X from packages on this 
machine. A bit later I tried to build Firefox... took me a week to 
figure it out.


In summary, just comment out any "NO_X" and "WITHOUT_X11" lines in the 
locations Mel suggested. Then remove, rebuild and reinstall Pango. After 
that's done Firefox should build properly.


HtH,
Adam J Richardson
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
> I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
> 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main()
> {
> int mib[2];
> size_t size;
> struct clockinfo clockrate;
> 
> mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
> mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
> size = sizeof clockrate;
> sysctl(mib, 2, &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);
> 
> fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate.hz);
> fprintf(stdout, "tick: %i\n", clockrate.tick);
> fprintf(stdout, "spare: %i\n", clockrate.spare);
> fprintf(stdout, "stathz: %i\n", clockrate.stathz);
> fprintf(stdout, "profhz: %i\n", clockrate.profhz);
> 
> return 0;
> }
> 
> I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 and
> the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
> hz: 1000
> tick: 1000
> spare: 0
> stathz: 133
> profhz: 666
> 
> The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a some
> stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?

None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with the
CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
output from both machines.

I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.




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Getting the CPU frequency in C

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:

#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;

mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, &clockrate, &size, NULL, 0);

fprintf(stdout, "hz: %i\n", clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, "tick: %i\n", clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, "spare: %i\n", clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, "stathz: %i\n", clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, "profhz: %i\n", clockrate.profhz);

return 0;
}

I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 and
the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666

The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a some
stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Martin Tournoij
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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-09 20:44, Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gary Kline wrote:
>> Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns Bo[u]rne
>> (:-)) shell into perl?  Years ago there was commericalware (i Think)
>> that took /bin/sh to C.  Maybe Ii'm mis-remembering.  I've googled
>> aroud and find zip, so maybe I was in some kind of coma-zone.  
>
> I believe that just such a converter is well known in the perl
> community.  His name is Tom Christiansen IIRC.

LOL!  That's the best joke of the weekend, at least for me :)

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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:12:15PM +0200, Mel wrote:
> On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:35:40 Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > > On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the input gentlemen,
> > > > Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then
> > > > answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).
> > >
> > > Haha :)
> > >
> > > > Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the
> > > > suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave
> > > > done it in perl from the beguining.
> > > >
> > > > As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a "case: Too many
> > > > arguments." error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach'
> > > > statement.
> > >
> > > `foreach' is a csh construct.  If you copied the case/esac code posted
> > > by Garrett, then it wouldn't work.  The syntax used by Garrett was for
> > > the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case).
> > >
> > > If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well
> > > convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only
> > > the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell
> > > (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl
> > > may be too much to require).
> >
> > Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns
> > Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl?  Years ago there was
> > commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C.  Maybe Ii'm
> > mis-remembering.  I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I
> > was in some kind of coma-zone.
> >
> > At any rate, for simple unix scripts, /bin/sh (aka "a-shell", ash)
> > or ksh or zsh is the way to go.  Simple == a few lines.
> > For anything grittier, perl wins any time.
> 
> Perl looses when /usr isn't mounted. That's the primary argument against 
> using 
> anything other then /bin/sh (including bash). All the rest is preference.
> 

This iswhy I used to have zsh in /bin; "used to"--I've gotten
complacent.  But with the recent panic in '04 or '05, and now
that I'm moving to Garrett's beefed up Dell, it is time to 
get real again.

gary, (Sundays are for the joys-of-hacking!) kline 

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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:35:40 Gary Kline wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks for the input gentlemen,
> > > Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then
> > > answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).
> >
> > Haha :)
> >
> > > Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the
> > > suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave
> > > done it in perl from the beguining.
> > >
> > > As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a "case: Too many
> > > arguments." error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach'
> > > statement.
> >
> > `foreach' is a csh construct.  If you copied the case/esac code posted
> > by Garrett, then it wouldn't work.  The syntax used by Garrett was for
> > the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case).
> >
> > If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well
> > convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only
> > the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell
> > (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl
> > may be too much to require).
>
>   Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns
>   Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl?  Years ago there was
>   commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C.  Maybe Ii'm
>   mis-remembering.  I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I
>   was in some kind of coma-zone.
>
>   At any rate, for simple unix scripts, /bin/sh (aka "a-shell", ash)
>   or ksh or zsh is the way to go.  Simple == a few lines.
>   For anything grittier, perl wins any time.

Perl looses when /usr isn't mounted. That's the primary argument against using 
anything other then /bin/sh (including bash). All the rest is preference.

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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Matthew Seaman
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Gary Kline wrote:

>   Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns
>   Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl?  Years ago there was
>   commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C.  Maybe Ii'm
>   mis-remembering.  I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I
>   was in some kind of coma-zone.  

I believe that just such a converter is well known in the perl
community.  His name is Tom Christiansen IIRC.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks for the input gentlemen,
> > Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then
> > answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).
> 
> Haha :)
> 
> > Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the
> > suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave
> > done it in perl from the beguining.
> >
> > As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a "case: Too many
> > arguments." error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach'
> > statement.
> 
> `foreach' is a csh construct.  If you copied the case/esac code posted
> by Garrett, then it wouldn't work.  The syntax used by Garrett was for
> the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case).
> 
> If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well
> convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only
> the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell
> (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl
> may be too much to require).
> 
Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns
Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl?  Years ago there was
commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C.  Maybe Ii'm
mis-remembering.  I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I
was in some kind of coma-zone.  

At any rate, for simple unix scripts, /bin/sh (aka "a-shell", ash)
or ksh or zsh is the way to go.  Simple == a few lines.
For anything grittier, perl wins any time.

(And to save thebillions of flames that perl sux because it is
hard to read (blah, blah, blah), **comment your code**.   )
Other flame to /dev/null, guys.

(G)ary  [[ funny, jeez ]], LOL.





> 

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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender

Mel wrote:

On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:14:30 Kyle Allender wrote:


I see where the error is looking for pangox.h, but that file is not
present in the directory.  A search on the system shows that it was
never created by the pango build either.  I have a feeling that there's
a switch I should have supplied to make when building the pango port,
but I'm not sure what switch that would have been.

Thoughts?


cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango && grep pangox pkg-plist && grep X11 Makefile

holds the answer to your problem.

The output of the above command is:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.16.5/tools]# cd 
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango && grep pangox pkg-plist && grep X11 Makefile

%%X11%%etc/pango/pangox.aliases
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangox.h
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft-render.h
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft.h
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.a
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.la
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.a
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.la
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0
%%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
%%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc
FONTSCALE=  ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/luximb.ttf
FONTENCOD=  ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/encodings.dir
.if defined(WITHOUT_X11)
PLIST_SUB+= X11="@comment "
   -I${X11BASE}/include" \
   LDFLAGS="-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib"
PLIST_SUB+= X11=""


I see where the file should be created if X is enabled during the pango 
build and if the symlinks are correct.  My most recent reply to the list 
asked if I should build pango this way:


make -DENABLE-STATIC -DENABLE-SHARED install

and that seems to have done the job:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/include/pango-1.0/pango]# ls -ld pangox.h
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  4393 Sep  9 13:26 pangox.h

firefox 2.0.0.6 is now building and has successfully passed the point 
where it would have failed.


I'm not sure how to interpret the output of the command at the top of 
this post.  What exactly should that command tell me?  It outputs what 
the Makefile expects for an include directory 
[LDFLAGS="-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib"] but that confirms that 
the symlinks were in place correctly from the beginning doesn't it?


K
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ip assignments

2007-09-09 Thread jekillen

Hello;
I have a question about ip address assignments to multiple
network interfaces on the same machine (running, in this case,
FreeBSD v6.2).
Situation:
I have built a machine with two network interfaces and tried
assigning local addresses in the same subnet mask:
192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 for example to each of the
interfaces and only one of the interfaces will respond to
a connection attempt (via ftp or ssh for example). I found
that each of the interfaces have to be assigned an address
in a different subnet. for them to both be usable.
Q: Is this characteristic of tcp/ip in general, or specific
to FreeBSD?
I have created aliases for different addresses in the same
subnet on one interface and have had that work.
Thanks for knowledgeable responses;
Jeff K

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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:46:48 Kyle Allender wrote:
> Mel wrote:
> > On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:14:30 Kyle Allender wrote:
> >> I see where the error is looking for pangox.h, but that file is not
> >> present in the directory.  A search on the system shows that it was
> >> never created by the pango build either.  I have a feeling that there's
> >> a switch I should have supplied to make when building the pango port,
> >> but I'm not sure what switch that would have been.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >
> > cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango && grep pangox pkg-plist && grep X11
> > Makefile
> >
> > holds the answer to your problem.
>
> The output of the above command is:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.16.5/tools]# cd
> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango && grep pangox pkg-plist && grep X11 Makefile
> %%X11%%etc/pango/pangox.aliases
> %%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangox.h
> %%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft-render.h
> %%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft.h
> %%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.a
> %%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.la
> %%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so
> %%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0
> %%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.a
> %%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.la
> %%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so
> %%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0
> %%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
> %%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc
> FONTSCALE=  ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/luximb.ttf
> FONTENCOD=  ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/encodings.dir
> .if defined(WITHOUT_X11)
> PLIST_SUB+= X11="@comment "
> -I${X11BASE}/include" \
> LDFLAGS="-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib"
> PLIST_SUB+= X11=""
>
>
> I see where the file should be created if X is enabled during the pango
> build

Almost correct: If WITHOUT_X11 is not defined during build of pango.

You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf 
or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in MAKE_ARGS 
somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango.

> I'm not sure how to interpret the output of the command at the top of
> this post.  What exactly should that command tell me?  It outputs what
> the Makefile expects for an include directory
> [LDFLAGS="-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib"] but that confirms that
> the symlinks were in place correctly from the beginning doesn't it?

Sorry for being short, I thought you'd pick up on it. The ports system is 
quite transparent once you get the basics.

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Re: setting up xorg - mouse

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
> On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote:
> Hi,
> right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am
> unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse.
> ~comperr
> >>>On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured?
> >>>See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details:
> >>>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE
> >>>
> >>>Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to
> >>>your PC (PS2 or USB)?
> >>>
> >>>What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> >>>
> >>On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote:
> >>sorry about the time delay:
> >>um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView
> >>I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different
> >>mouse types each time.  None of them work.
> >>
> >>as for xorg.conf
> >>Section "InputDevice"
> >>Identifier "Mouse0"
> >>Driver "mouse"
> >>Option "Protocall" "Auto"
> >>Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> >>
> >>(side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only
> >>a keyboard that would be really nice
> >Martin Tournoij wrote:
> >Does the mouse work in the console ("DOS-screen")?
> >xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't
> >running or badly configured.
> >Try running:
> >moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0
> >Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier.
> On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X
> starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse definition is
> given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse.
> 
> Erich
> 

Note:
Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top.
Thank you.

Erich, what is your mouse configuration?
Also try and locate the problem in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

This is a generic configuration:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol"  "Auto"
Option  "Device""/dev/sysmouse"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
Option  "Buttons"   "5"
EndSection

You may need to change the "Indentifier" line, see your ServerLayout.
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:14:30 Kyle Allender wrote:

> I see where the error is looking for pangox.h, but that file is not
> present in the directory.  A search on the system shows that it was
> never created by the pango build either.  I have a feeling that there's
> a switch I should have supplied to make when building the pango port,
> but I'm not sure what switch that would have been.
>
> Thoughts?

cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango && grep pangox pkg-plist && grep X11 Makefile

holds the answer to your problem.
-- 
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender

Mel wrote:

On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:01:11 Kyle Allender wrote:

  

nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning:   by `virtual nsresult
nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString&, nscoord, nscoord,
PRInt32, const nscoord*)'
nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory



  

I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the
freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty.  I can provide
further log entries as needed, too.



Could you post full compile statement for that error? Most notably it should 
include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.



  

A quick follow-up.  I tried this command:

make -DENABLE-STATIC -DENABLE-SHARED

in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango

and now the pangox.h file is present here:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.16.5/pango]# ls -ld 
pangox.h

-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  4393 May 10 16:44 pangox.h

Now the question becomes how do I get that file installed in 
/usr/local/include as required by the firefox port without the ports 
system overriding my configuration changes?  Will a


make install

provide the correct result?  Or should I use:

make -DENABLE-STATIC -DENABLE-SHARED install?

K
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RE: Disk errors when copying

2007-09-09 Thread Lars Eighner

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:





Subject: Disk errors when copying


When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors:

ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request)
LBA=435128800
ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51
error=10 LBA=435128800
g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5

I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10.  Is this
some kind of system error rather than a bad disk?  Is it a known problem?



Yes it is a known problem.  It does not happen with most combinations
of drives and controllers.  You need to exhaustively document the
motherboard/controller/hard disk and put it into a PR and file it
so that the developer can add your combo into his database.  The more
of these that are documented the quicker that a coorelation is going
to show up and get fixed.


I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a couple of weeks
and hundreds of bucks building a new system.

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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender

Mel wrote:

On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:01:11 Kyle Allender wrote:

  

nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning:   by `virtual nsresult
nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString&, nscoord, nscoord,
PRInt32, const nscoord*)'
nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory



  

I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the
freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty.  I can provide
further log entries as needed, too.



Could you post full compile statement for that error? Most notably it should 
include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.



  

The compile statement is:

cc -o nsPrintdGTK.o -c  -DNATIVE_THEME_SUPPORT -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API 
-DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD6\" -DOSARCH=\"FreeBSD\" -DBUILD_ID=00 
-DUSE_POSTSCRIPT -I../.. -I./. -I./.. -I./../shared -I./../x11shared 
-D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2
-I../../../dist/include/xpcom -I../../../dist/include/string 
-I../../../dist/include/widget -I../../../dist/include/view 
-I../../../dist/include/util -I../../../dist/include/pref 
-I../../../dist/include/uconv -I../../../dist/include/unicharutil 
-I../../../dist/include/locale -I../../../dist/include/necko 
-I../../../dist/include/content -I../../../dist/include/layout 
-I../../../dist/include/gfx -I../../../dist/include 
-I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/include -I../../../dist/sdk/include -I/usr/local/include   -fPIC 
-I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss  
-I/usr/local/include  -I/usr/local/include -Wall -W -Wno-unused 
-Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing 
-pipe -O2 -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O  -D_THREAD_SAFE 
-I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include 
-I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo 
-I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include 
-I/usr/local/include/freetype2-I/usr/local/include/nss 
-I/usr/local/include/nss/nss  -I/usr/local/include  -I/usr/local/include 
-include ../../../mozilla-config.h -DMOZILLA_CLIENT nsPrintdGTK.c

gtk2drawing.c
cc -o gtk2drawing.o -c  -DNATIVE_THEME_SUPPORT -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API 
-DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD6\" -DOSARCH=\"FreeBSD\" -DBUILD_ID=00 
-DUSE_POSTSCRIPT -I../.. -I./. -I./.. -I./../shared -I./../x11shared 
-D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2
-I../../../dist/include/xpcom -I../../../dist/include/string 
-I../../../dist/include/widget -I../../../dist/include/view 
-I../../../dist/include/util -I../../../dist/include/pref 
-I../../../dist/include/uconv -I../../../dist/include/unicharutil 
-I../../../dist/include/locale -I../../../dist/include/necko 
-I../../../dist/include/content -I../../../dist/include/layout 
-I../../../dist/include/gfx -I../../../dist/include 
-I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/include -I../../../dist/sdk/include -I/usr/local/include   -fPIC 
-I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss  
-I/usr/local/include  -I/usr/local/include -Wall -W -Wno-unused 
-Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing 
-pipe -O2 -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O  -D_THREAD_SAFE 
-I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include 
-I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo 
-I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include 
-I/usr/local/include/freetype2-I/usr/local/include/nss 
-I/usr/local/include/nss/nss  -I/usr/local/include  -I/usr/local/include 
-include ../../../mozilla-config.h -DMOZILLA_CLIENT gtk2drawing.c

nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp
c++ -o nsDeviceContextGTK.o -c  -DNATIVE_THEME_SUPPORT 
-DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -DOSTYPE=\"FreeBSD6\" -DOSARCH=\"FreeBSD\" 
-DBUILD_ID=00 -DUSE_POSTSCRIPT -I../.. -I./. -I./.. 
-I./../shared -I./../x11shared -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/local/include/freetype2-I../../../dist/include/xpcom 
-I../../../dist/include/string -I../../../dist/include/widget 
-I../../../dist/include/view -I../../../dist/include/util 
-I../../../dist/include/pref -I../../../dist/include/uconv 
-I../../../dist/include/unicharutil -I../../../dist/include/locale 
-I../../../dist/include/necko -I../../../dist/include/content 
-I../../../dist/include/layout -I../../../dist/include/gfx 
-I../../../dist/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I../../../dist/sdk/include 
-I/usr/local/include   -fPIC  -I/usr/local/include/nss 
-I/usr/local/include/nss/nss  -I/usr/local/include  -I/usr/local/include 
-fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith 
-Wcast-align -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy 
-Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 
-fshort-wchar -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O  -D_THREAD_SAFE 
-I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/l

GEOM ELI: MD5 hash mismatch for /dev/mirror/gm0s1f

2007-09-09 Thread Thomas Hobbes
Hi,

what is this kind of error's meaning?

Greetings
elesdo
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:01:11 Kyle Allender wrote:

> nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning:   by `virtual nsresult
> nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString&, nscoord, nscoord,
> PRInt32, const nscoord*)'
> nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory

> I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the
> freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty.  I can provide
> further log entries as needed, too.

Could you post full compile statement for that error? Most notably it should 
include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.


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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender

cpghost wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:01:11 -0500
Kyle Allender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
While trying to upgrade the ports tree on my 6.2-RELEASE system, I am 
getting a failure with the firefox 2.0.0.6 port:


nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning:   by `virtual nsresult 
nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString&, nscoord, nscoord, 
PRInt32, const nscoord*)'

nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or
directory gmake[4]: *** [nsDeviceContextGTK.o] Error 1
gmake[4]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/gtk'

gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs]
Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' gmake[1]: *** [tier_9]
Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2
*** Error code 2


I have upgraded pango to the latest build in the ports thus:

make -DWITH_X11 reinstall

thinking that pango had a problem installing with X enabled.  This
has made no difference as the firefox build fails whether or not I
specify the -DWITH_X11 switch to the pango build or not.

Could someone suggest a fix for this issue?



Hmmm... just a wild guess: could you please check if the
/usr/X11R6 -> /usr/local symlink is set? IIRC, not all ports have
been updated yet to uniformly use /usr/local/include[/pango-1.0]
instead of /usr/X11R6/include[/pango-1.0].

Regards,
-cpghost.

  

The link does appear to still be set:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld /usr/X11R6
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  10 Jun 16 16:26 /usr/X11R6 -> /usr/local
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld /usr/local
drwxr-xr-x  22 root  wheel  512 Sep  4 14:56 /usr/local
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld 
/usr/X11R6/include
drwxr-xr-x  155 root  wheel  23040 Sep  9 10:35 /usr/X11R6/include
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld 
/usr/local/include
drwxr-xr-x  155 root  wheel  23040 Sep  9 10:35 /usr/local/include
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]#

I had thought of this, too, but didn't see an issue with how it's been 
set.  Would I need to explicitly set the symlink for /usr/X11R6/include 
as well?


K
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread cpghost
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:01:11 -0500
Kyle Allender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While trying to upgrade the ports tree on my 6.2-RELEASE system, I am 
> getting a failure with the firefox 2.0.0.6 port:
> 
> nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning:   by `virtual nsresult 
> nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString&, nscoord, nscoord, 
> PRInt32, const nscoord*)'
> nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or
> directory gmake[4]: *** [nsDeviceContextGTK.o] Error 1
> gmake[4]: Leaving directory 
> `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/gtk'
> gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2
> gmake[3]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs]
> Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' gmake[1]: *** [tier_9]
> Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2
> *** Error code 2
> 
> 
> I have upgraded pango to the latest build in the ports thus:
> 
> make -DWITH_X11 reinstall
> 
> thinking that pango had a problem installing with X enabled.  This
> has made no difference as the firefox build fails whether or not I
> specify the -DWITH_X11 switch to the pango build or not.
> 
> Could someone suggest a fix for this issue?

Hmmm... just a wild guess: could you please check if the
/usr/X11R6 -> /usr/local symlink is set? IIRC, not all ports have
been updated yet to uniformly use /usr/local/include[/pango-1.0]
instead of /usr/X11R6/include[/pango-1.0].

Regards,
-cpghost.

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firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h

2007-09-09 Thread Kyle Allender
While trying to upgrade the ports tree on my 6.2-RELEASE system, I am 
getting a failure with the firefox 2.0.0.6 port:


nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning:   by `virtual nsresult 
nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString&, nscoord, nscoord, 
PRInt32, const nscoord*)'

nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory
gmake[4]: *** [nsDeviceContextGTK.o] Error 1
gmake[4]: Leaving directory 
`/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/gtk'

gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2
gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src'
gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx'
gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla'
gmake: *** [default] Error 2
*** Error code 2


I have upgraded pango to the latest build in the ports thus:

make -DWITH_X11 reinstall

thinking that pango had a problem installing with X enabled.  This has 
made no difference as the firefox build fails whether or not I specify 
the -DWITH_X11 switch to the pango build or not.


Could someone suggest a fix for this issue?

I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the 
freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty.  I can provide 
further log entries as needed, too.


Thanks in advance.

K
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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Garrett Cooper

Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Thanks for the input gentlemen,
Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then
answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).



Haha :)

  

Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the
suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave
done it in perl from the beguining.

As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a "case: Too many
arguments." error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach'
statement.



`foreach' is a csh construct.  If you copied the case/esac code posted
by Garrett, then it wouldn't work.  The syntax used by Garrett was for
the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case).

If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well
convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only
the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell
(i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl
may be too much to require).

- Giorgos

  


   'for {variable_name}' can replace foreach in Bourne Shell.

   If you can provide more information, like what you're doing with the 
shell script, please let us know.


   I'm a big fan of Perl, in particular in cases where text parsing 
doesn't cut it in Bourne shell / with the simple utilities (i.e. cut(1), 
sed(1), etc), but in an effort to try and avoid having Perl installed on 
every single machine, I provided the previous Bourne shell example.


Cheers,
-Garrett
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Re: Realtek RTL8169 - no driver attached

2007-09-09 Thread Mel
On Sunday 09 September 2007 12:37:20 Stefan Schablowski wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to install FreeBSD 6.2 on a i386 system that includes a
> Realtek RTL8169 network card, but when booting from the install CD or
>
> from the installed system, there seems to be a problem with the driver:
> > dmesg
>
> ...
> pci0:  at device 13.0 (no driver attached)
> ...
>
> > pciconf -l -v
>
> ...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:13:0: class=0x02 card=0x816910ec chip=0x816910ec 
> rev=0x10
> hdr=0x00
>   vendor   = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
>   device   = 'RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter'
>   class= 'Network'
>   subclass = ethernet
> ...
>
> > kldload if_re
>
> kldload: can't load if_re: File exists
>
> I've been running a FreeBSD server in production for over a year now and
> this is the first time ever I even have to think about hardware. The
> card itself is a cheap no-name card.
>
> What am I doing wrong ?

There's a commit in -STABLE (after 6.2-RELEASE) that references detection 
problems in this driver (allthough it references other product numbers). If 
you can manage this, try updating to STABLE or if that's not an option and 
you know your way around, you could only update the driver files.

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Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....

2007-09-09 Thread rachie
On Saturday 01 September 2007 10:22:08 pm Michael Hauber wrote:
> Hey, all...
>
> I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. 
> Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely
> to change in the near future.  Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife
> would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to
> make it more comfortable for her.
>
> I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on
> everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm
> downloading it now.
>
> Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is
> now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant...  Has anyone
> here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop?  Negatives/positives?
>
> Kind of OT, I guess...  I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group
> rather than the inevitable, "Oh yeah.  You won't be sorry." from the ubuntu
> folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> PS.  Yes, I've played with PC-BSD.  Unfortunately, that's still more work
> than I have time for.

Hello :)

I used Ubuntu and Kubuntu before I installed FreeBSD.  It was pretty easy to 
use and a lot of things were made easy for clueless users like me.  I like 
FreeBSD better, but thats because it allows me to learn what is happening 
behind it all.  I think your wife will be happy with ubuntu.  Its probably 
going to be different enough to be annoying at times.  Ubuntu is the easiest 
form of Linux that I tried.  Maybe you could dual boot FreeBSD and Ubuntu?  I 
tried that once but couldn't figure out how to fix the boot loader.  I 
couldn't get back into Kubuntu, but that may be because I was triple booting 
with windows xp too. lol.  Its just an idea.  If you can figure out the 
bootloader problem then maybe you dont have to give up FreeBSD :)

Good luck!

Rachie
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Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring

2007-09-09 Thread Bahman M.
Thank you all for the information and the hints; very helpful.  At 
least, now I've got a clue.



Bahman

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VIA UniChrome Pro II 3D/2D

2007-09-09 Thread cco1817-0
Hi,
   
  is there any way to get my VIA UniChrome Pro II 3D/2D on a Via EPIA EX1 
to work without the vesa-driver under xorg? Looking for a specific driver but 
don't find something.
   
  With vesa it's nearly unusable slow.
  Didn't found anything, neither on www.openchrome.org.
   
  Thanks for help in advance!
  Greetings,
  Robert
   

   
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Re: setting up xorg - mouse

2007-09-09 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X 
starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse 
definition is given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse.


Erich

Martin Tournoij wrote:

On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote:
Hi,
right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am
unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse.
~comperr

On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured?
See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE

Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to
your PC (PS2 or USB)?

What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf


On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote:
sorry about the time delay:
um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView
I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different
mouse types each time.  None of them work.

as for xorg.conf
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocall" "Auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"

(side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only
a keyboard that would be really nice


Does the mouse work in the console ("DOS-screen")?
xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't
running or badly configured.
Try running:
moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0
Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier.
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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the input gentlemen,
> Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then
> answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).

Haha :)

> Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the
> suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave
> done it in perl from the beguining.
>
> As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a "case: Too many
> arguments." error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach'
> statement.

`foreach' is a csh construct.  If you copied the case/esac code posted
by Garrett, then it wouldn't work.  The syntax used by Garrett was for
the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case).

If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well
convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only
the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell
(i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl
may be too much to require).

- Giorgos

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Re: setting up xorg - mouse

2007-09-09 Thread Martin Tournoij
> > > On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am
> > > unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse.
> > > ~comperr
> > On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured?
> > See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE
> >
> > Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to
> > your PC (PS2 or USB)?
> >
> > What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> >
> On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote:
> sorry about the time delay:
> um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView
> I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different
> mouse types each time.  None of them work.
> 
> as for xorg.conf
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Mouse0"
> Driver "mouse"
> Option "Protocall" "Auto"
> Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
> 
> (side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only
> a keyboard that would be really nice

Does the mouse work in the console ("DOS-screen")?
xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't
running or badly configured.
Try running:
moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0
Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier.
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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Grant Peel
Thanks for the input gentlemen,

Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then answered by 
G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).

Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the suggestions. I use 
tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave done it in perl from the 
beguining.

As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a "case: Too many 
arguments." error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach' statement.

Thanks again guys,

-Grant
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gary Kline 
  To: Garrett Cooper 
  Cc: Giorgos Keramidas ; Grant Peel ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 
  Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:19 AM
  Subject: Re: csh if..then delhema.


  On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:26:47PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
  > Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
  > >On 2007-09-08 20:00, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  > > 
  > 
  > tcsh can burn in hell for all I care. It's a horrible shell IMNHO 
  > (in my not-so humble opinion). Now if I could only convince the rest of 
  > the EE community to agree, that'd be nice. Trolls welcome :).


  You are right on the money from my experience, Garrett. BillJoy
  got most things right, but the csh is a dead loser. (I was
  forced to xlate my /bin/sh code into csh for years! Foo! 
  Steve Borne wins this one.

  gary

  > 
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Realtek RTL8169 - no driver attached

2007-09-09 Thread Stefan Schablowski

Hi all,

I would like to install FreeBSD 6.2 on a i386 system that includes a
Realtek RTL8169 network card, but when booting from the install CD or
from the installed system, there seems to be a problem with the driver:

> dmesg
...
pci0:  at device 13.0 (no driver attached)
...

> pciconf -l -v
...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:13:0: class=0x02 card=0x816910ec chip=0x816910ec rev=0x10
hdr=0x00
  vendor   = 'Realtek Semiconductor'
  device   = 'RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter'
  class= 'Network'
  subclass = ethernet
...

> kldload if_re
kldload: can't load if_re: File exists

I've been running a FreeBSD server in production for over a year now and
this is the first time ever I even have to think about hardware. The
card itself is a cheap no-name card.

What am I doing wrong ?

Thank you very much,

CU Stefan



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Re: graphics and freebsd

2007-09-09 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 12:21:29PM +0300, Burhan Teoman wrote:
> Hello,
> Im a newbie to freebsd. I'm a graphic designer and i need profession
> graphic applications on freebsd. Please send your advice.

Look in /usr/ports/graphics for applications that you can automatically
install; Read Chapter 4 of the FreeBSD Handbook;
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html 

- gimp  pixel-oriented image manipulation
- ImageMagick   commandline pixel-oriented image manipulation
- blender   3D images creation
- dcraw using RAW images from digital cameras
- sane  scanner interface
- povrayraytracer

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Re: graphics and freebsd

2007-09-09 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

depending on what you want to do, GIMP (pixel oriented) and INKSCAPE 
(vector oriented) will be the tools of your choice.


Erich

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Im a newbie to freebsd. I'm a graphic designer and i need profession
graphic applications on freebsd. Please send your advice.
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graphics and freebsd

2007-09-09 Thread Burhan Teoman
Hello,
Im a newbie to freebsd. I'm a graphic designer and i need profession
graphic applications on freebsd. Please send your advice.
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Re: csh if..then delhema.

2007-09-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:26:47PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> >On 2007-09-08 20:00, Grant Peel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  
> 
>tcsh can burn in hell for all I care. It's a horrible shell IMNHO 
> (in my not-so humble opinion). Now if I could only convince the rest of 
> the EE community to agree, that'd be nice. Trolls welcome :).


You are right on the money  from my experience, Garrett.  BillJoy
got most things right, but the csh is a dead loser.  (I was
forced to xlate my /bin/sh code into csh for years!  Foo!  
Steve Borne wins this one.

gary

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