natd / ipfw services on internal interface
I have a question about natd/ and ipfw. I am running natd on my external interface and I have some services on my internal interface. The services seem to be getting their ip addresses nat'd and some of them work and some of them dont. Any idea how to prevent things from going into natd? Joe - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joao Barros Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:33 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring On 9/8/07, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Amitabh Kant Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:25 PM To: Bahman M. Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring On 9/8/07, Bahman M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tested the connection by downloading 2~3 files simultaneously and used 'bmon' as Mel suggested in another reply (thanks to him). As I'd already guessed the RX don't get bigger than 30~40% of the expected bandwidth. I performed the test with some other files and there was no difference. Thanks, Bahman The bandwidth being advertised by your ISP would be the maximum thoughput allowed on your DSL lines with multiple DSL users sharing the same bandwidth, something that is generally known as contention ratio. Rubbish. I work for an ISP and this is nonsense. DSL is not a shared medium until it gets to the ISP and the ISP should be able to handle full rate circuits internally. From the customer to the DSLAM it's a copper pair. No contention on that. If the DSLAM is far from the ISP backbone you have a shared connection. That's where contention is applied. No, sorry. There's not that many different types of DSL that are deployed simply because there's only a handful of companies out there that manufacture DSL chipsets, and DSLAMS. Virtually all DSLAMS that are out there use an ATM cell circuit from the DSLAM to the ISP. Fujitsu for a while was making frame-relay based DSLAMS but telcos finally stopped buying them and nobody is using them now. The ATM connection uses either variable speed bitrate or unspecified bitrate. Not committed bitrate that is used for voice circuits through an ATM network. The reason for this is that all telcos these days use ATM switches to carry voice calls - ATM was a standard dreamed up by the telcos specifically for carrying phone calls. When DSL was first dreamed up it was thought that to save money on backend fiber costs that the telcos could use smaller pipes and introduce contention. That is why ubr and vbr encapsulations were selected instead of cbr. However, the thing that most people (who don't work at telcos) do not understand is that the telcos found very quickly that they cannot put contention into an ATM network comprised of a DSL atm circuits for a very simple reason. The ATM cell is a fixed 56k bytes. The majority of Ethernet packets once a TCP stream gets going and has adjusted it's sliding windows are close to 1400 bytes long. Now, imagine what happens to an ATM cloud when you program the ATM switch that the cloud resides in to introduce contention into the cloud. The ATM switch does this by dropping ATM cells in all the ubr and vbr ATM circuits that traverse the switch. As a result, you start missing 56 byte packets in your ATM stream that the DSL is riding on. If the sender and receiver were using 56 byte MTU's this would be no problem. A missing ATM cell would cause a retransmit of the TCP/IP packet and would be handled by the TCP protocol. But since the sender are receiver are using 1500 byte MTU's and the TCP packets are almost that large, what ends up happening is that even a small amount of contention in the ATM cloud will cause almost every TCP packet to have bits missing in it - ie:, to arrive with an invalid CRC and be discarded. Worse, since the entire packet is missing the sender and receiver's TCP stack has to retransmit the packet, loading the ATM cloud down even more. SO, the cost of discarding a single 56 byte ATM cell means the ATM cloud will have to get another 1400 bytes of data retransmitted through it. It doesen't take a rocket scientist to see that introducing contention into an ATM circuit carrying a DSL circuit will cause a massive increase in traffic in the switch, and wipe out any gains from contention. Furthermore, your customers will start dropping TCP connections without reason, when the stacks get long series of 1400 byte packets one after another that are corrupted. And then calling you and bitching and wasting your tech support time. When the Telcos found this out they gave up on that idea. DSL circuits today that traverse any ATM cloud -as virtually all of them do since virtually all telcos use ATM backbones in their DSL networks - cannot have contention introduced into them by the Telco. Even the practice of delaying ATM cells causes the same problems because you cannot introduce enough delay for the packet reassembly process in the DSL modem and the DSLAM to actually show latency on the entire packet, without damaging it. If for example
Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring
Hi Bahman, Bahman M. wrote: Hi all, I have an ADSL connection at home. When I'm _uploading_ files the whole upload bandwidth is consumed; so far so good. But when _downloading_ no more than 30~40% of download bandwidth is consumed. The guys in the ISP say they've granted me the requested bandwidth but this is not what I see in action. How may I know the real bandwidth limits of my connection? Any tool or trick? Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something about ADSL bandwidth? First of all, I would demand that the ISP where you are acquiring your ADSL bandwidth provide you with your bandwidth utilization MRTG or RRD graphs. It is the responsibility of every ISP to provide their clients the bandwidth usage graphs no matter how big or small they are! Other than that, make sure that your uplink is not 100% utilized while performing download tests. Other factors affecting your downlink could be your bandwidth might be shared or burstable and not dedicated. Have you tried performing downlink tests in the wee hours when there could be almost nobody contenting for bandwidth if your bandwidth is burstable? For basic upload and download tests, you can visit the following URL: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ But still, your first priority would be to get the bandwidth utilization graphs from your ISP. Thanking you... TIA, Bahman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- With best regards and good wishes, Yours sincerely, Tek Bahadur Limbu System Administrator (TAG/TDG Group) Jwl Systems Department Worldlink Communications Pvt. Ltd. Jawalakhel, Nepal http://www.wlink.com.np ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:26:47PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-08 20:00, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tcsh can burn in hell for all I care. It's a horrible shell IMNHO (in my not-so humble opinion). Now if I could only convince the rest of the EE community to agree, that'd be nice. Trolls welcome :). You are right on the money from my experience, Garrett. BillJoy got most things right, but the csh is a dead loser. (I was forced to xlate my /bin/sh code into csh for years! Foo! Steve Borne wins this one. gary -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
graphics and freebsd
Hello, Im a newbie to freebsd. I'm a graphic designer and i need profession graphic applications on freebsd. Please send your advice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: graphics and freebsd
Hi, depending on what you want to do, GIMP (pixel oriented) and INKSCAPE (vector oriented) will be the tools of your choice. Erich Burhan Teoman wrote: Hello, Im a newbie to freebsd. I'm a graphic designer and i need profession graphic applications on freebsd. Please send your advice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: graphics and freebsd
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 12:21:29PM +0300, Burhan Teoman wrote: Hello, Im a newbie to freebsd. I'm a graphic designer and i need profession graphic applications on freebsd. Please send your advice. Look in /usr/ports/graphics for applications that you can automatically install; Read Chapter 4 of the FreeBSD Handbook; http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html - gimp pixel-oriented image manipulation - ImageMagick commandline pixel-oriented image manipulation - blender 3D images creation - dcraw using RAW images from digital cameras - sane scanner interface - povrayraytracer Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpT9GwPhrO41.pgp Description: PGP signature
Realtek RTL8169 - no driver attached
Hi all, I would like to install FreeBSD 6.2 on a i386 system that includes a Realtek RTL8169 network card, but when booting from the install CD or from the installed system, there seems to be a problem with the driver: dmesg ... pci0: network, ethernet at device 13.0 (no driver attached) ... pciconf -l -v ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:13:0: class=0x02 card=0x816910ec chip=0x816910ec rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor' device = 'RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' class= 'Network' subclass = ethernet ... kldload if_re kldload: can't load if_re: File exists I've been running a FreeBSD server in production for over a year now and this is the first time ever I even have to think about hardware. The card itself is a cheap no-name card. What am I doing wrong ? Thank you very much, CU Stefan CAUTION: This e-mail and any attachment(s) contains information that is both confidential and possibly legally privileged. No reader may make any use of its content unless that use is approved by Prolificx separately in writing. Any opinion, advice or information contained in this e-mail and any attachment(s) is to be treated as interim and provisional only and for the strictly limited purpose of the recipient as communicated to us. Neither the recipient nor any other person should act upon it without our separate written authorisation of reliance. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
Thanks for the input gentlemen, Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!). Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave done it in perl from the beguining. As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a case: Too many arguments. error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach' statement. Thanks again guys, -Grant - Original Message - From: Gary Kline To: Garrett Cooper Cc: Giorgos Keramidas ; Grant Peel ; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:19 AM Subject: Re: csh if..then delhema. On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 08:26:47PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-08 20:00, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tcsh can burn in hell for all I care. It's a horrible shell IMNHO (in my not-so humble opinion). Now if I could only convince the rest of the EE community to agree, that'd be nice. Trolls welcome :). You are right on the money from my experience, Garrett. BillJoy got most things right, but the csh is a dead loser. (I was forced to xlate my /bin/sh code into csh for years! Foo! Steve Borne wins this one. gary -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org -- Total Control Panel Login To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Score: 50 High (60): Pass From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block messages from this sender (blacklist) This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up xorg - mouse
On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote: Hi, right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse. ~comperr On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured? See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to your PC (PS2 or USB)? What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote: sorry about the time delay: um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different mouse types each time. None of them work. as for xorg.conf Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocall Auto Option Device /dev/sysmouse (side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only a keyboard that would be really nice Does the mouse work in the console (DOS-screen)? xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't running or badly configured. Try running: moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0 Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input gentlemen, Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!). Haha :) Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave done it in perl from the beguining. As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a case: Too many arguments. error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach' statement. `foreach' is a csh construct. If you copied the case/esac code posted by Garrett, then it wouldn't work. The syntax used by Garrett was for the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case). If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl may be too much to require). - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up xorg - mouse
Hi, I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse definition is given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse. Erich Martin Tournoij wrote: On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote: Hi, right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse. ~comperr On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured? See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to your PC (PS2 or USB)? What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote: sorry about the time delay: um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different mouse types each time. None of them work. as for xorg.conf Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocall Auto Option Device /dev/sysmouse (side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only a keyboard that would be really nice Does the mouse work in the console (DOS-screen)? xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't running or badly configured. Try running: moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0 Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VIA UniChrome Pro II 3D/2D
Hi, is there any way to get my VIA UniChrome Pro II 3D/2D on a Via EPIA EX1 to work without the vesa-driver under xorg? Looking for a specific driver but don't find something. With vesa it's nearly unusable slow. Didn't found anything, neither on www.openchrome.org. Thanks for help in advance! Greetings, Robert - Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring
Thank you all for the information and the hints; very helpful. At least, now I've got a clue. Bahman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sadly, my tinker-time has run out....
On Saturday 01 September 2007 10:22:08 pm Michael Hauber wrote: Hey, all... I've been a user of FreeBSD and OpenBSD for quite a while now. Unfortunatly, I haven't had much time to tinker lately, and that's unlikely to change in the near future. Sadly, I need to get an OS that my wife would be more comfortable using and that wouldn't be as time-comsuming to make it more comfortable for her. I downloaded the uberyl live CD and found that ubuntu seems to pick up on everything I have on the laptop (as well as all the attachments), so I'm downloading it now. Because I've put so much time into getting this FreeBSD install where it is now (and because I favor the BSDs), I'm still a bit hesitant... Has anyone here had much experience with ubunu as a desktop? Negatives/positives? Kind of OT, I guess... I'd just rather hear it from someone in this group rather than the inevitable, Oh yeah. You won't be sorry. from the ubuntu folk (salespitches == fingernails on a chalkboard :) ). Thanks, Mike PS. Yes, I've played with PC-BSD. Unfortunately, that's still more work than I have time for. Hello :) I used Ubuntu and Kubuntu before I installed FreeBSD. It was pretty easy to use and a lot of things were made easy for clueless users like me. I like FreeBSD better, but thats because it allows me to learn what is happening behind it all. I think your wife will be happy with ubuntu. Its probably going to be different enough to be annoying at times. Ubuntu is the easiest form of Linux that I tried. Maybe you could dual boot FreeBSD and Ubuntu? I tried that once but couldn't figure out how to fix the boot loader. I couldn't get back into Kubuntu, but that may be because I was triple booting with windows xp too. lol. Its just an idea. If you can figure out the bootloader problem then maybe you dont have to give up FreeBSD :) Good luck! Rachie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Realtek RTL8169 - no driver attached
On Sunday 09 September 2007 12:37:20 Stefan Schablowski wrote: Hi all, I would like to install FreeBSD 6.2 on a i386 system that includes a Realtek RTL8169 network card, but when booting from the install CD or from the installed system, there seems to be a problem with the driver: dmesg ... pci0: network, ethernet at device 13.0 (no driver attached) ... pciconf -l -v ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:13:0: class=0x02 card=0x816910ec chip=0x816910ec rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor' device = 'RTL8169 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' class= 'Network' subclass = ethernet ... kldload if_re kldload: can't load if_re: File exists I've been running a FreeBSD server in production for over a year now and this is the first time ever I even have to think about hardware. The card itself is a cheap no-name card. What am I doing wrong ? There's a commit in -STABLE (after 6.2-RELEASE) that references detection problems in this driver (allthough it references other product numbers). If you can manage this, try updating to STABLE or if that's not an option and you know your way around, you could only update the driver files. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the input gentlemen,
Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then
answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!).
Haha :)
Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the
suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave
done it in perl from the beguining.
As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a case: Too many
arguments. error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach'
statement.
`foreach' is a csh construct. If you copied the case/esac code posted
by Garrett, then it wouldn't work. The syntax used by Garrett was for
the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case).
If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well
convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only
the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell
(i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl
may be too much to require).
- Giorgos
'for {variable_name}' can replace foreach in Bourne Shell.
If you can provide more information, like what you're doing with the
shell script, please let us know.
I'm a big fan of Perl, in particular in cases where text parsing
doesn't cut it in Bourne shell / with the simple utilities (i.e. cut(1),
sed(1), etc), but in an effort to try and avoid having Perl installed on
every single machine, I provided the previous Bourne shell example.
Cheers,
-Garrett
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firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
While trying to upgrade the ports tree on my 6.2-RELEASE system, I am getting a failure with the firefox 2.0.0.6 port: nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning: by `virtual nsresult nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString, nscoord, nscoord, PRInt32, const nscoord*)' nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory gmake[4]: *** [nsDeviceContextGTK.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/gtk' gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 2 I have upgraded pango to the latest build in the ports thus: make -DWITH_X11 reinstall thinking that pango had a problem installing with X enabled. This has made no difference as the firefox build fails whether or not I specify the -DWITH_X11 switch to the pango build or not. Could someone suggest a fix for this issue? I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty. I can provide further log entries as needed, too. Thanks in advance. K ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:01:11 -0500 Kyle Allender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While trying to upgrade the ports tree on my 6.2-RELEASE system, I am getting a failure with the firefox 2.0.0.6 port: nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning: by `virtual nsresult nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString, nscoord, nscoord, PRInt32, const nscoord*)' nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory gmake[4]: *** [nsDeviceContextGTK.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/gtk' gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 2 I have upgraded pango to the latest build in the ports thus: make -DWITH_X11 reinstall thinking that pango had a problem installing with X enabled. This has made no difference as the firefox build fails whether or not I specify the -DWITH_X11 switch to the pango build or not. Could someone suggest a fix for this issue? Hmmm... just a wild guess: could you please check if the /usr/X11R6 - /usr/local symlink is set? IIRC, not all ports have been updated yet to uniformly use /usr/local/include[/pango-1.0] instead of /usr/X11R6/include[/pango-1.0]. Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
cpghost wrote: On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:01:11 -0500 Kyle Allender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While trying to upgrade the ports tree on my 6.2-RELEASE system, I am getting a failure with the firefox 2.0.0.6 port: nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning: by `virtual nsresult nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString, nscoord, nscoord, PRInt32, const nscoord*)' nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory gmake[4]: *** [nsDeviceContextGTK.o] Error 1 gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src/gtk' gmake[3]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla/gfx' gmake[1]: *** [tier_9] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/www/firefox/work/mozilla' gmake: *** [default] Error 2 *** Error code 2 I have upgraded pango to the latest build in the ports thus: make -DWITH_X11 reinstall thinking that pango had a problem installing with X enabled. This has made no difference as the firefox build fails whether or not I specify the -DWITH_X11 switch to the pango build or not. Could someone suggest a fix for this issue? Hmmm... just a wild guess: could you please check if the /usr/X11R6 - /usr/local symlink is set? IIRC, not all ports have been updated yet to uniformly use /usr/local/include[/pango-1.0] instead of /usr/X11R6/include[/pango-1.0]. Regards, -cpghost. The link does appear to still be set: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld /usr/X11R6 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Jun 16 16:26 /usr/X11R6 - /usr/local [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld /usr/local drwxr-xr-x 22 root wheel 512 Sep 4 14:56 /usr/local [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld /usr/X11R6/include drwxr-xr-x 155 root wheel 23040 Sep 9 10:35 /usr/X11R6/include [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# ls -ld /usr/local/include drwxr-xr-x 155 root wheel 23040 Sep 9 10:35 /usr/local/include [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql51-server]# I had thought of this, too, but didn't see an issue with how it's been set. Would I need to explicitly set the symlink for /usr/X11R6/include as well? K ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:01:11 Kyle Allender wrote: nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning: by `virtual nsresult nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString, nscoord, nscoord, PRInt32, const nscoord*)' nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty. I can provide further log entries as needed, too. Could you post full compile statement for that error? Most notably it should include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
Mel wrote: On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:01:11 Kyle Allender wrote: nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning: by `virtual nsresult nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString, nscoord, nscoord, PRInt32, const nscoord*)' nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty. I can provide further log entries as needed, too. Could you post full compile statement for that error? Most notably it should include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1. The compile statement is: cc -o nsPrintdGTK.o -c -DNATIVE_THEME_SUPPORT -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -DOSTYPE=\FreeBSD6\ -DOSARCH=\FreeBSD\ -DBUILD_ID=00 -DUSE_POSTSCRIPT -I../.. -I./. -I./.. -I./../shared -I./../x11shared -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I../../../dist/include/xpcom -I../../../dist/include/string -I../../../dist/include/widget -I../../../dist/include/view -I../../../dist/include/util -I../../../dist/include/pref -I../../../dist/include/uconv -I../../../dist/include/unicharutil -I../../../dist/include/locale -I../../../dist/include/necko -I../../../dist/include/content -I../../../dist/include/layout -I../../../dist/include/gfx -I../../../dist/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I../../../dist/sdk/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2-I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -include ../../../mozilla-config.h -DMOZILLA_CLIENT nsPrintdGTK.c gtk2drawing.c cc -o gtk2drawing.o -c -DNATIVE_THEME_SUPPORT -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -DOSTYPE=\FreeBSD6\ -DOSARCH=\FreeBSD\ -DBUILD_ID=00 -DUSE_POSTSCRIPT -I../.. -I./. -I./.. -I./../shared -I./../x11shared -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I../../../dist/include/xpcom -I../../../dist/include/string -I../../../dist/include/widget -I../../../dist/include/view -I../../../dist/include/util -I../../../dist/include/pref -I../../../dist/include/uconv -I../../../dist/include/unicharutil -I../../../dist/include/locale -I../../../dist/include/necko -I../../../dist/include/content -I../../../dist/include/layout -I../../../dist/include/gfx -I../../../dist/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I../../../dist/sdk/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Wno-long-long -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2-I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -include ../../../mozilla-config.h -DMOZILLA_CLIENT gtk2drawing.c nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp c++ -o nsDeviceContextGTK.o -c -DNATIVE_THEME_SUPPORT -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -DOSTYPE=\FreeBSD6\ -DOSARCH=\FreeBSD\ -DBUILD_ID=00 -DUSE_POSTSCRIPT -I../.. -I./. -I./.. -I./../shared -I./../x11shared -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2-I../../../dist/include/xpcom -I../../../dist/include/string -I../../../dist/include/widget -I../../../dist/include/view -I../../../dist/include/util -I../../../dist/include/pref -I../../../dist/include/uconv -I../../../dist/include/unicharutil -I../../../dist/include/locale -I../../../dist/include/necko -I../../../dist/include/content -I../../../dist/include/layout -I../../../dist/include/gfx -I../../../dist/include -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -I../../../dist/sdk/include -I/usr/local/include -fPIC -I/usr/local/include/nss -I/usr/local/include/nss/nss -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -fshort-wchar -pipe -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0
RE: Disk errors when copying
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Subject: Disk errors when copying When copy between disks (ad10 -ad8), I get errors: ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=435128800 ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51READY,DSC,ERROR error=10NID_NOT_FOUND LBA=435128800 g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10. Is this some kind of system error rather than a bad disk? Is it a known problem? Yes it is a known problem. It does not happen with most combinations of drives and controllers. You need to exhaustively document the motherboard/controller/hard disk and put it into a PR and file it so that the developer can add your combo into his database. The more of these that are documented the quicker that a coorelation is going to show up and get fixed. I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a couple of weeks and hundreds of bucks building a new system. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
Mel wrote: On Sunday 09 September 2007 19:01:11 Kyle Allender wrote: nsRenderingContextGTK.h:161: warning: by `virtual nsresult nsRenderingContextGTK::DrawString(const nsString, nscoord, nscoord, PRInt32, const nscoord*)' nsDeviceContextGTK.cpp:70:26: pango/pangox.h: No such file or directory I've been googling and trying to research the problem via the freebsd/gnome pages, but have thus far come up empty. I can provide further log entries as needed, too. Could you post full compile statement for that error? Most notably it should include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1. A quick follow-up. I tried this command: make -DENABLE-STATIC -DENABLE-SHARED in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango and now the pangox.h file is present here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.16.5/pango]# ls -ld pangox.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 4393 May 10 16:44 pangox.h Now the question becomes how do I get that file installed in /usr/local/include as required by the firefox port without the ports system overriding my configuration changes? Will a make install provide the correct result? Or should I use: make -DENABLE-STATIC -DENABLE-SHARED install? K ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:14:30 Kyle Allender wrote: I see where the error is looking for pangox.h, but that file is not present in the directory. A search on the system shows that it was never created by the pango build either. I have a feeling that there's a switch I should have supplied to make when building the pango port, but I'm not sure what switch that would have been. Thoughts? cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango grep pangox pkg-plist grep X11 Makefile holds the answer to your problem. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up xorg - mouse
On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote: Hi, right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse. ~comperr On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured? See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to your PC (PS2 or USB)? What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote: sorry about the time delay: um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different mouse types each time. None of them work. as for xorg.conf Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocall Auto Option Device /dev/sysmouse (side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only a keyboard that would be really nice Martin Tournoij wrote: Does the mouse work in the console (DOS-screen)? xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't running or badly configured. Try running: moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0 Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier. On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse definition is given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse. Erich Note: Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top. Thank you. Erich, what is your mouse configuration? Also try and locate the problem in /var/log/Xorg.0.log This is a generic configuration: Section InputDevice Identifier mouse Driver mouse Option Protocol Auto Option Device/dev/sysmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Buttons 5 EndSection You may need to change the Indentifier line, see your ServerLayout. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:46:48 Kyle Allender wrote:
Mel wrote:
On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:14:30 Kyle Allender wrote:
I see where the error is looking for pangox.h, but that file is not
present in the directory. A search on the system shows that it was
never created by the pango build either. I have a feeling that there's
a switch I should have supplied to make when building the pango port,
but I'm not sure what switch that would have been.
Thoughts?
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango grep pangox pkg-plist grep X11
Makefile
holds the answer to your problem.
The output of the above command is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.16.5/tools]# cd
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango grep pangox pkg-plist grep X11 Makefile
%%X11%%etc/pango/pangox.aliases
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangox.h
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft-render.h
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft.h
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.a
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.la
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.a
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.la
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0
%%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
%%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc
FONTSCALE= ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/luximb.ttf
FONTENCOD= ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/encodings.dir
.if defined(WITHOUT_X11)
PLIST_SUB+= X11=@comment
-I${X11BASE}/include \
LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib
PLIST_SUB+= X11=
I see where the file should be created if X is enabled during the pango
build
Almost correct: If WITHOUT_X11 is not defined during build of pango.
You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf
or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in MAKE_ARGS
somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango.
I'm not sure how to interpret the output of the command at the top of
this post. What exactly should that command tell me? It outputs what
the Makefile expects for an include directory
[LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib] but that confirms that
the symlinks were in place correctly from the beginning doesn't it?
Sorry for being short, I thought you'd pick up on it. The ports system is
quite transparent once you get the basics.
--
Mel
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ip assignments
Hello; I have a question about ip address assignments to multiple network interfaces on the same machine (running, in this case, FreeBSD v6.2). Situation: I have built a machine with two network interfaces and tried assigning local addresses in the same subnet mask: 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 for example to each of the interfaces and only one of the interfaces will respond to a connection attempt (via ftp or ssh for example). I found that each of the interfaces have to be assigned an address in a different subnet. for them to both be usable. Q: Is this characteristic of tcp/ip in general, or specific to FreeBSD? I have created aliases for different addresses in the same subnet on one interface and have had that work. Thanks for knowledgeable responses; Jeff K ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
Mel wrote:
On Sunday 09 September 2007 20:14:30 Kyle Allender wrote:
I see where the error is looking for pangox.h, but that file is not
present in the directory. A search on the system shows that it was
never created by the pango build either. I have a feeling that there's
a switch I should have supplied to make when building the pango port,
but I'm not sure what switch that would have been.
Thoughts?
cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango grep pangox pkg-plist grep X11 Makefile
holds the answer to your problem.
The output of the above command is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango/work/pango-1.16.5/tools]# cd
/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/pango grep pangox pkg-plist grep X11 Makefile
%%X11%%etc/pango/pangox.aliases
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangox.h
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft-render.h
%%X11%%include/pango-1.0/pango/pangoxft.h
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.a
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.la
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so
%%X11%%lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.a
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.la
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so
%%X11%%lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0
%%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangox.pc
%%X11%%libdata/pkgconfig/pangoxft.pc
FONTSCALE= ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/luximb.ttf
FONTENCOD= ${X11BASE}/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/encodings.dir
.if defined(WITHOUT_X11)
PLIST_SUB+= X11=@comment
-I${X11BASE}/include \
LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib
PLIST_SUB+= X11=
I see where the file should be created if X is enabled during the pango
build and if the symlinks are correct. My most recent reply to the list
asked if I should build pango this way:
make -DENABLE-STATIC -DENABLE-SHARED install
and that seems to have done the job:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/local/include/pango-1.0/pango]# ls -ld pangox.h
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 4393 Sep 9 13:26 pangox.h
firefox 2.0.0.6 is now building and has successfully passed the point
where it would have failed.
I'm not sure how to interpret the output of the command at the top of
this post. What exactly should that command tell me? It outputs what
the Makefile expects for an include directory
[LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib -L${X11BASE}/lib] but that confirms that
the symlinks were in place correctly from the beginning doesn't it?
K
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Re: csh if..then delhema.
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input gentlemen, Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!). Haha :) Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave done it in perl from the beguining. As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a case: Too many arguments. error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach' statement. `foreach' is a csh construct. If you copied the case/esac code posted by Garrett, then it wouldn't work. The syntax used by Garrett was for the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case). If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl may be too much to require). Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl? Years ago there was commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C. Maybe Ii'm mis-remembering. I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I was in some kind of coma-zone. At any rate, for simple unix scripts, /bin/sh (aka a-shell, ash) or ksh or zsh is the way to go. Simple == a few lines. For anything grittier, perl wins any time. (And to save thebillions of flames that perl sux because it is hard to read (blah, blah, blah), **comment your code**. ) Other flame to /dev/null, guys. (G)ary [[ funny, jeez ]], LOL. -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
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Re: csh if..then delhema.
On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:35:40 Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input gentlemen, Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!). Haha :) Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave done it in perl from the beguining. As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a case: Too many arguments. error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach' statement. `foreach' is a csh construct. If you copied the case/esac code posted by Garrett, then it wouldn't work. The syntax used by Garrett was for the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case). If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl may be too much to require). Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl? Years ago there was commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C. Maybe Ii'm mis-remembering. I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I was in some kind of coma-zone. At any rate, for simple unix scripts, /bin/sh (aka a-shell, ash) or ksh or zsh is the way to go. Simple == a few lines. For anything grittier, perl wins any time. Perl looses when /usr isn't mounted. That's the primary argument against using anything other then /bin/sh (including bash). All the rest is preference. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:12:15PM +0200, Mel wrote: On Sunday 09 September 2007 21:35:40 Gary Kline wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-09 08:57, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input gentlemen, Interesting to that the question was posted by G(rant) and then answered by G(ary), G(arrett) and G(iorgos)! (what are the odds!). Haha :) Anywho, I am busily converting the script to perl as per the suggestions. I use tcsh rarely, had I of known the quirks I woul shave done it in perl from the beguining. As for Garrett's case method, it didnt work. Created a case: Too many arguments. error. Perhaps because it itself is nested in a 'foreach' statement. `foreach' is a csh construct. If you copied the case/esac code posted by Garrett, then it wouldn't work. The syntax used by Garrett was for the Bourne shell (hence the /bin/sh reference above case). If you are going to convert everything to /bin/sh, you may as well convert it to Perl unless there is some very good reason to use only the pretty minimal data-structures supported by the Bourne shell (i.e. because you want to run the script in environments where Perl may be too much to require). Do any of you gents know if there is a converter that turns Bo[u]rne (:-)) shell into perl? Years ago there was commericalware (i Think) that took /bin/sh to C. Maybe Ii'm mis-remembering. I've googled aroud and find zip, so maybe I was in some kind of coma-zone. At any rate, for simple unix scripts, /bin/sh (aka a-shell, ash) or ksh or zsh is the way to go. Simple == a few lines. For anything grittier, perl wins any time. Perl looses when /usr isn't mounted. That's the primary argument against using anything other then /bin/sh (including bash). All the rest is preference. This iswhy I used to have zsh in /bin; used to--I've gotten complacent. But with the recent panic in '04 or '05, and now that I'm moving to Garrett's beefed up Dell, it is time to get real again. gary, (Sundays are for the joys-of-hacking!) kline -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: csh if..then delhema.
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Getting the CPU frequency in C
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
#include unistd.h
#include time.h
#include ctype.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/time.h
int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;
mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, tick: %i\n, clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, spare: %i\n, clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, stathz: %i\n, clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, profhz: %i\n, clockrate.profhz);
return 0;
}
I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 and
the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666
The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a some
stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Martin Tournoij
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
#include unistd.h
#include time.h
#include ctype.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/time.h
int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;
mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, tick: %i\n, clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, spare: %i\n, clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, stathz: %i\n, clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, profhz: %i\n, clockrate.profhz);
return 0;
}
I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 and
the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666
The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a some
stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with the
CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
output from both machines.
I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
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Insert your favourite quote here.
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
Mel wrote: You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in MAKE_ARGS somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango. Hi Kyle. I think Mel has hit on the answer here. Pango is being built without X support. I had this exact error myself. A few libraries [Pango, Cairo etc] weren't allowing themselves to be built on. Turns out I had in my /etc/make.conf the lines NO_X=true WITHOUT_X11=true to speed up make buildworld. Then I installed X from packages on this machine. A bit later I tried to build Firefox... took me a week to figure it out. In summary, just comment out any NO_X and WITHOUT_X11 lines in the locations Mel suggested. Then remove, rebuild and reinstall Pango. After that's done Firefox should build properly. HtH, Adam J Richardson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:16:35 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... However, the thing that most people (who don't work at telcos) do not understand is that the telcos found very quickly that they cannot put contention into an ATM network comprised of a DSL atm circuits for a very simple reason. ... SO, the cost of discarding a single 56 byte ATM cell means the ATM cloud will have to get another 1400 bytes of data retransmitted through it. It doesen't take a rocket scientist to see that introducing contention into an ATM circuit carrying a DSL circuit will cause a massive increase in traffic in the switch, and wipe out any gains from contention. I don't know much about DSLAMS, but ATM switches have been able to drop whole AAL5 frames for a long time. Do DSLAMS really not have EPD/PPD? However the contention is done, it definitely happens in the UK. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up xorg - mouse
quote Does the mouse work in the console (DOS-screen)? xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't running or badly configured. Try running: moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0 Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier. /quote Alright - I will try this. quote Hi, I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse definition is given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse. /quote Allright quote Note: Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top. /quote This is a prefference issue - on most mailing lists I am not they don't care -- is this a fBSD-q rule? On 9/9/07, Martin Tournoij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote: Hi, right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am unable to get xorg (icewm) to detect my mouse. ~comperr On 9/8/07, Martin Tournoij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is moused running? And if it is, how is it configured? See the FreeBSD handbook and the moused manpage for details: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-post.html#MOUSE Which brand/model mouse do you have? And how does the mouse connect to your PC (PS2 or USB)? What are your mouse settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf On Sun 09 Sep 2007 01:09, Computer Answers wrote: sorry about the time delay: um it is a generic PS2 mouse made by digiView I tried running the xorg config wizard a few tmes choosing different mouse types each time. None of them work. as for xorg.conf Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocall Auto Option Device /dev/sysmouse (side point) if someone would tell me how to copy and paste with only a keyboard that would be really nice Martin Tournoij wrote: Does the mouse work in the console (DOS-screen)? xorg usually isn't the problem, it much more often moused which isn't running or badly configured. Try running: moused -t auto -p /dev/psm0 Before starting xorg, see the link I posted earlier. On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, I have the same problem. If I leave the definitions for the mouse out, X starts without problems and uses the mouse. As long as a mouse definition is given in the configuration file, I cannot use the mouse. Erich Note: Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top. Thank you. Erich, what is your mouse configuration? Also try and locate the problem in /var/log/Xorg.0.log This is a generic configuration: Section InputDevice Identifier mouse Driver mouse Option Protocol Auto Option Device/dev/sysmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Buttons 5 EndSection You may need to change the Indentifier line, see your ServerLayout. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
On Sunday 09 September 2007 23:28:59 Adam J Richardson wrote: Mel wrote: You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in MAKE_ARGS somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango. Hi Kyle. I think Mel has hit on the answer here. Pango is being built without X support. I had this exact error myself. A few libraries [Pango, Cairo etc] weren't allowing themselves to be built on. Turns out I had in my /etc/make.conf the lines NO_X=true WITHOUT_X11=true to speed up make buildworld. Then I installed X from packages on this machine. A bit later I tried to build Firefox... took me a week to figure it out. In summary, just comment out any NO_X and WITHOUT_X11 lines in the locations Mel suggested. Then remove, rebuild and reinstall Pango. After that's done Firefox should build properly. Yeah, I figured he wouldn't be alone in this: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116236 -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
#include unistd.h
#include time.h
#include ctype.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/time.h
int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;
mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, tick: %i\n, clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, spare: %i\n, clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, stathz: %i\n, clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, profhz: %i\n, clockrate.profhz);
return 0;
}
I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378 and
the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666
The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a
some
stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with the
CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
output from both machines.
I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?), exec-ing sysctl
hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...
dev.cpu.0.freq doesn't seem to exists on my (Athlon) CPU, it
does on my PIII CPU though.
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Re: Sony Ericsson: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): NOT READY asc:3a, 0 (repeated)
Snow Mountains wrote: I posted this question 10 days ago, got no replies. Is it possible nobody here installed CD release of FreeBSD 6.2 and has Sony Ericsson mobile phone or something similar which causes similar problem? :-) Maybe summer time is the cause :-) So let me repeat: Hi Snow. It might be that no one knows the answer to your question. I myself have a phone that connects by USB, but it is a Nokia N90 and has no problems being detected. [It detects fine, but doesn't do anything useful. I'll figure out how, I'm sure.] Looking at your messages, the disconnected and lost device errors could be caused by a bad cable. Could that cause the SCSI errors too? Can you test with another cable? It's a good idea to upgrade from the CD release. I think the CD version is the same as the CVS version tagged RELENG_6 [someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure]. My systems are all using 6.2-RELEASE-p7, which is the same as RELENG_6_2, I think? I'm not sure about that. [I can't check with my build server since I managed to trash my last Windows installation, leaving me without a VMware Player 2 to run it on.] HtH, Adam J Richardson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
Mel wrote: Yeah, I figured he wouldn't be alone in this: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=116236 That makes it nice and clear. Thanks. By the way, can you check your return address? I'm getting mailer daemon errors for fbsd.questions. Regards, Adam J Richardson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C
On Monday 10 September 2007 00:04:45 Martin Tournoij wrote:
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
#include unistd.h
#include time.h
#include ctype.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/time.h
int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;
mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, tick: %i\n, clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, spare: %i\n, clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, stathz: %i\n, clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, profhz: %i\n, clockrate.profhz);
return 0;
}
I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate:
1378 and the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666
The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably
a some stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with
the CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the
same output from both machines.
I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?), exec-ing sysctl
hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...
int main()
{
const char mib[] = hw.clockrate;
size_t size = sizeof(int);
int clockrate;
sysctlbyname(mib, (void *)clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, clockrate: %i\n, clockrate);
return 0;
}
--
Mel
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Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:04:45AM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
#include unistd.h
#include time.h
#include ctype.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/time.h
int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;
mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, tick: %i\n, clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, spare: %i\n, clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, stathz: %i\n, clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, profhz: %i\n, clockrate.profhz);
return 0;
}
I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate: 1378
and
the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666
The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably a
some
stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with the
CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
output from both machines.
I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?),
Of course it is. Using sysctlbyname(3) to access it works fine:
#include unistd.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
int main()
{
size_t size;
int clockrate;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctlbyname(hw.clockrate, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate);
return 0;
}
hw.clockrate does however only seem to exist on i386 and amd64 architectures
so if you are running on something else you will have to find some
alternative solution. (Parsing the dmesg(8) output?)
exec-ing sysctl
hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...
dev.cpu.0.freq doesn't seem to exists on my (Athlon) CPU, it
does on my PIII CPU though.
It partly depends on the CPU, and mostly on the BIOS if the cpufreq(4)
kernel module will be activated (assuming it has been loaded in the first
place of course.)
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Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C
On Mon 10 Sep 2007 00:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:04:45AM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 22:09, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 10:50:25PM +0200, Martin Tournoij wrote:
I'm trying to get the CPU frequency in C:
#include unistd.h
#include time.h
#include ctype.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
#include sys/time.h
int main()
{
int mib[2];
size_t size;
struct clockinfo clockrate;
mib[0] = CTL_KERN;
mib[1] = KERN_CLOCKRATE;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctl(mib, 2, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate.hz);
fprintf(stdout, tick: %i\n, clockrate.tick);
fprintf(stdout, spare: %i\n, clockrate.spare);
fprintf(stdout, stathz: %i\n, clockrate.stathz);
fprintf(stdout, profhz: %i\n, clockrate.profhz);
return 0;
}
I tried to run this on two machines (one machine with hw.clockrate:
1378 and
the other 797) and it outputs the same on both:
hz: 1000
tick: 1000
spare: 0
stathz: 133
profhz: 666
The profhz value suggest the devil is at work :D although it's probably
a some
stupid mistake on my part :/ Can anyone help?
None of the kern.clockrate entries has any particular relationship with
the
CPU clock frequency, so it is not unexpected that you would get the same
output from both machines.
I think looking at hw.clockrate is the most portable you can get.
If your CPU is using Cool'n'Quiet or the Intel equivalent you can also
look at dev.cpu.N.freq for the current frequency.
I got confused because they both have the same name ... do'h
hw.clockrate doesn't seem to available through C(?),
Of course it is. Using sysctlbyname(3) to access it works fine:
#include unistd.h
#include sys/sysctl.h
#include stdio.h
int main()
{
size_t size;
int clockrate;
size = sizeof clockrate;
sysctlbyname(hw.clockrate, clockrate, size, NULL, 0);
fprintf(stdout, hz: %i\n, clockrate);
return 0;
}
hw.clockrate does however only seem to exist on i386 and amd64 architectures
so if you are running on something else you will have to find some
alternative solution. (Parsing the dmesg(8) output?)
exec-ing sysctl
hw.clockrate would work, but that's not very elegant...
dev.cpu.0.freq doesn't seem to exists on my (Athlon) CPU, it
does on my PIII CPU though.
It partly depends on the CPU, and mostly on the BIOS if the cpufreq(4)
kernel module will be activated (assuming it has been loaded in the first
place of course.)
Thought you could only fetch the sysctl values defined in sys/sysctl.h
with sysctl()/sysctlbyname(), apparently not...
Thank you for the help Erik and Mel!
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Re: nvidia-driver rebooting machine on X startup
* Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070908 10:59]: Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:59:32 +0200 From: Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nvidia-driver rebooting machine on X startup On Saturday 08 September 2007 00:43:59 Darren Spruell wrote: On 9/7/07, Mel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 07 September 2007 19:43:03 Darren Spruell wrote: On 9/6/07, Derek Ragona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:10 PM 9/6/2007, Darren Spruell wrote: Wondering if this is a known issue, or if anyone has suggestions to get it working...? Running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p4 SMP i386. I installed nvidia-driver-100.14.11 from ports (Sep. 5 snapshot), Linux compatibility enabled. After loading modules 'linux' and 'nvidia', I do: # X -configure # X -config /root/xorg.conf.new At this point the system spontaneously reboots. 'X -configure' runs fine and produces a configuration without issue, but the reboot occcurs when launching X. Nothing is output to screen (it flickers as if starting X), and nothing is written to /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I do get the same behavior if running 'xorgcfg'. Card info: NV41 [Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI] rev 162 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0: class=0x03 card=0x029b10de chip=0x00cd10de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' class= display subclass = VGA I've tried an alternate version of the binary driver (nvidia-driver-96xx) to see if there was any change, and it also reboots on X startup. -- Check your AGP settings and consult the readme, chapter 9, for the latest driver. You should be running the latest driver with your card. Make sure you have the correct AGP settings, either letting FreeBSD do it in the kernel or disable the kernel and let the Nvidia driver manage it. So, I'm not having terrific luck with any combination of settings I try. The latest FreeBSD driver release from Nvidia is the same as the version in the ports tree. This is what I've installed. Attempting the AGPGART route (building the driver with WITH_FREEBSD_AGP=yes and disabling NvAgp support in xorg.conf) still results in a reboot. Going the NvAGP route (Building without support for AGPGART, setting NvAgp to 1 in the xorg.conf, and setting hint.agp.0.disabled=1 in /boot/device.hints) also results in a reboot when X starts. One thing I notice here; when I specify hint.agp.0.disabled=1, and check the output of 'kldstat -v' after booting, I still see several agp drivers loaded: $ kldstat -v |grep -i agp 387 pci/agp_ali 388 pci/agp_amd 389 pci/agp_amd64 390 pci/agp_ati 391 pci/agp_i810 392 pci/agp_intel 393 pci/agp_nvidia 394 pci/agp_sis 395 pci/agp_via Is this a problem? I suspect a couple of problems with what I'm doing. Number one, there's several knobs to turn (in the driver, in the OS, etc.) and it's possible I'm not getting the correct combination. Other thing is, I've been told by a technician that this is a PCI Express video card, so would AGP even come into play? Probably not. I'm seeing the same thing on one machine, no AGP on MB, and agp kernel modules loaded, but nvidia-driver doesn't care about it. Let's kill all red herrings: - Is COMPAT5X in the kernel? COMPAT5X doesn't show up anywhere in /usr/src/; I do have 'options COMPAT_FREEBSD5' defined, though (stock SMP kernel). - Does running `nvidia-xconfig --query-gpu-info' reboot the system? - If you do not load the nvidia kernel module, but use Xorg's nv driver does this reboot the system? No, doesn't reboot the system. Output attached below. With the 'nv' driver, X starts fine. I don't use it because I don't have success with the two output displays and xinerama window sizing. nvidia-xconfig --query-gpu-info: Number of GPUs: 1 GPU #0: Name : Quadro FX 3450/4000 SDI PCI BusID : PCI:7:0:0 Number of Display Devices: 2 Display Device 0 (CRT-0): EDID Name : DELL 2001FP Minimum HorizSync : 31.000 kHz Maximum HorizSync : 80.000 kHz Minimum VertRefresh : 56 Hz Maximum VertRefresh : 76 Hz Maximum PixelClock: 162.000 MHz Maximum Width : 1600 pixels Maximum Height: 1200 pixels Preferred Width : 1600 pixels Preferred Height : 1200 pixels Preferred VertRefresh : 60 Hz Physical Width: 410 mm Physical Height : 310 mm Display Device 1 (CRT-1): EDID Name : DELL 2001FP
DVD-RW drive
I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for some reason recognized as read only acd0: DVDR LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P/GL0C at ata0-slave UDMA66 I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor install my own kernel) so the following lines are present in my GENERIC [pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) I also edited my load.conf file with hw.ata.ata_dma=1 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and write but that is not even important since I can not write anything even from the command line I also get [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0 /dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0 /dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable. Any suggestions. Thank you so much ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: firefox 2.0.0.6 build fails: missing pangox.h
Adam J Richardson wrote: Mel wrote: You probably had WITHOUT_X11 defined somewhere (/etc/make.conf or /var/db/ports/pango/options or /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf in MAKE_ARGS somewhere, shell environment?) when you rebuilt pango. Hi Kyle. I think Mel has hit on the answer here. Pango is being built without X support. I had this exact error myself. A few libraries [Pango, Cairo etc] weren't allowing themselves to be built on. Turns out I had in my /etc/make.conf the lines NO_X=true WITHOUT_X11=true to speed up make buildworld. Then I installed X from packages on this machine. A bit later I tried to build Firefox... took me a week to figure it out. In summary, just comment out any NO_X and WITHOUT_X11 lines in the locations Mel suggested. Then remove, rebuild and reinstall Pango. After that's done Firefox should build properly. HtH, Adam J Richardson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was precisely the problem - my /etc/make.conf had WITHOUT_X11 from when I was trying to get CalendarServer installed a few weeks ago. After I commented that out, firefox built without issue. Thanks for both your help - 'tis appreciated. K ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD-RW drive
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 16:09, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for some reason recognized as read only acd0: DVDR LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P/GL0C at ata0-slave UDMA66 I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor install my own kernel) so the following lines are present in my GENERIC [pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) I also edited my load.conf file with hw.ata.ata_dma=1 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and write but that is not even important since I can not write anything even from the command line I also get [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0 /dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0 /dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable. Any suggestions. Thank you so much You need to use ATAPICAM if you want to use ATA cd-writers, see the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM A small addition to the handbook: You don't need to reboot your machine, the command: $ kldload atapicam Will load the module at runtime. Use /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/acd0 for all writing purposes. Maybe PCBSD does this automagiclly? Can't comment on that since I don't use PCBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting the CPU frequency in C
On Monday 10 September 2007 00:52:08 Martin Tournoij wrote: Thought you could only fetch the sysctl values defined in sys/sysctl.h with sysctl()/sysctlbyname(), apparently not... No, I believe those are guaranteed to be available (more to the point: made available through /boot/kernel/kernel). Kernel modules (and as such drivers) can also expose their settings via sysctl and since they can be loaded dynamically and don't have to be part of the base src tree, sys/sysctl.h doesn't know about them. For example: sysctl vfs.fuse.fuse4bsd_version vfs.fuse.fuse4bsd_version: 0.3.9-pre1 which is /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-kmod. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache22 web root directive
Is there a directive to add to make.conf or anywhere else to tell ports what directory my webroot is? when i was running apache20, things like mailgraph installed files in the proper location. Recently I just updated to apache22 and now mailmail still insists on creating directories under the old directory layout. is this a mailgraph port problem or do I have a missing directive somewhere telling ports where my document root is? Thanks! Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD-RW drive
I add atapicam_load=YES into loader.conf file dmesg is still acd0: DVDR LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P/GL0C at ata0-slave UDMA66 However from the command line [root@ ~]# growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cd0=/usr/home/Pedja/TeXLive/texlive2007-live-20070212.iso Executing 'builtin_dd if=/usr/home/Pedja/TeXLive/texlive2007-live-20070212.iso of=/dev/pass0 obs=32k seek=0' Apparently success. Thank you. I read the Handbook so many times but I obviously didn't read my kernel properly. Thanks again! Martin Tournoij wrote: On Sun 09 Sep 2007 16:09, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for some reason recognized as read only acd0: DVDR LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P/GL0C at ata0-slave UDMA66 I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor install my own kernel) so the following lines are present in my GENERIC [pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) I also edited my load.conf file with hw.ata.ata_dma=1 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and write but that is not even important since I can not write anything even from the command line I also get [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0 /dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0 /dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable. Any suggestions. Thank you so much You need to use ATAPICAM if you want to use ATA cd-writers, see the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM A small addition to the handbook: You don't need to reboot your machine, the command: $ kldload atapicam Will load the module at runtime. Use /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/acd0 for all writing purposes. Maybe PCBSD does this automagiclly? Can't comment on that since I don't use PCBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD-RW drive
Absolute success!!! Media is completely readable. I still cannot get Gnome rw tools to behave and K3b is complaining about few outdated packages which I am afraid to update since probably the Gnome depends on it but who cares. Command line rules! Thanks a lot body one more time! Predrag Punosevac Martin Tournoij wrote: On Sun 09 Sep 2007 16:09, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I have a very strange problem with my DVD-RW drive. Namely the drive is for some reason recognized as read only acd0: DVDR LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P/GL0C at ata0-slave UDMA66 I am running FreeBSD 6.2 stable with generic kernel (I didn't compile nor install my own kernel) so the following lines are present in my GENERIC [pedja@ /usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ more GENERIC # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) I also edited my load.conf file with hw.ata.ata_dma=1 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 I altered the permissions devfs.conf and fstab file so that I can read and write but that is not even important since I can not write anything even from the command line I also get [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/acd0 /dev/acd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device [pedja@ /usr/home/Pedja]$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/cd0 /dev/cd0: unable to open: Inappropriate ioctl for device Whole behavior is even more strange since the optical drive was working flawlessly on PC-BSD 1.3 which is FreeBSD 6.1 stable. Any suggestions. Thank you so much You need to use ATAPICAM if you want to use ATA cd-writers, see the FreeBSD handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html#ATAPICAM A small addition to the handbook: You don't need to reboot your machine, the command: $ kldload atapicam Will load the module at runtime. Use /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/acd0 for all writing purposes. Maybe PCBSD does this automagiclly? Can't comment on that since I don't use PCBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wxPython 2.8?
I've got a Python app that seems to require wxPython 2.8. The ports collection only has 2.6. Do you think it would it be worthwhile for me to download the source and attempt to compile it on my system or should I ask the port maintainer? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache22 web root directive
Eric writes: Is there a directive to add to make.conf or anywhere else to tell ports what directory my webroot is? when i was running apache20, things like mailgraph installed files in the proper location. Recently I just updated to apache22 and now mailmail still insists on creating directories under the old directory layout. is this a mailgraph port problem or do I have a missing directive somewhere telling ports where my document root is? Let me see if I understand: You're running apache22, with DocumentRoot and/or ServerRoot in a non-standard location. Because of this, a third-party application is malfunctioning. You are looking for a single way for that and other applications to tell at run-time where the new location is. No such critter, as far as I know. For those applications that accept environment variables of command-lind switches, it should be trivial to write a wrapper script to parse httpd,conf and provide the correct information. For a compile-time switch, portupgrade users can use pkgtools.cfg; others will have to look elsewhere. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache 2.0.61 and SSL start
I portupgraded my apache 2.0.59 to 61 today with no errors, but on restart, SSL wasn't loaded. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2 start starts the server (I have apache2enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf), but ssl isn't loaded. apachectl -k start -DSSL prompts me for my sslcert passphrase, and, after I enter it, allows https access on port 443. When started with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2 www# ps -waux | grep http root 61279 6.3 6.3 25624 15928 ?? Ss8:23PM 0:00.80 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61280 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61281 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61282 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61283 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61284 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd root 61286 0.0 0.1 372 216 p2 R+8:23PM 0:00.00 grep http When started with apachectl -k start -DSSL www# ps -waux | grep http root 61310 12.1 6.4 25868 16304 ?? Ss8:25PM 0:01.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61311 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61312 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61313 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61314 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61315 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL root 61317 0.0 0.1 372 216 p2 R+8:25PM 0:00.00 grep http Any ideas where I am going wrong? Tim Kellers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wxPython 2.8?
On Sun 09 Sep 2007 15:09, Luke Dean wrote: I've got a Python app that seems to require wxPython 2.8. The ports collection only has 2.6. Do you think it would it be worthwhile for me to download the source and attempt to compile it on my system or should I ask the port maintainer? wxgtk 2.8 is in the ports collection(x11/toolkits/wxgtk28), you're probably using an outdated snapshot of the ports collection. See the FreeBSD handbook on how to update your ports collection: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html Regards, Martin Tournoij ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ip assignments
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:50:11 -0700
jekillen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have built a machine with two network interfaces and tried
assigning local addresses in the same subnet mask:
192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2 for example to each of the
interfaces and only one of the interfaces will respond to
a connection attempt (via ftp or ssh for example). I found
that each of the interfaces have to be assigned an address
in a different subnet. for them to both be usable.
hi Jeff,
please show us the relevant settings in rc.conf (or the ifconfig commands you
issue if you havent set these settings in rc.conf yet).
My gut feelling tells me you are setting the netmask for the aliased
interfaces to the proper netmask (eg, 255.255.255.0) , rather than the /32
netmask aliases *ON THE SAME SUBNET AS OTHER IP ON SAME NIC* should have.
eg:
WRONG:
ifconfig_bge0=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig_bge0=inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 THIS netmask should
be 255.255.255.255
Search the archives for the reasons behind this. I believe the reasons are
specific to FreeBSD TCP/IP stack.
Best,
B
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Re: Apache 2.0.61 and SSL start
Thanks Dave, I tried that, no luck. Tim Dave wrote: Hello, Try adding the line: apache2ssl_enable=YES to /etc/rc.conf that should do it. Hth Dave. - Original Message - From: Tim Kellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Apache 2.0.61 and SSL start I portupgraded my apache 2.0.59 to 61 today with no errors, but on restart, SSL wasn't loaded. /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2 start starts the server (I have apache2enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf), but ssl isn't loaded. apachectl -k start -DSSL prompts me for my sslcert passphrase, and, after I enter it, allows https access on port 443. When started with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache2 www# ps -waux | grep http root 61279 6.3 6.3 25624 15928 ?? Ss8:23PM 0:00.80 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61280 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61281 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61282 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61283 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd www 61284 0.0 6.3 25624 15944 ?? S 8:23PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd root 61286 0.0 0.1 372 216 p2 R+8:23PM 0:00.00 grep http When started with apachectl -k start -DSSL www# ps -waux | grep http root 61310 12.1 6.4 25868 16304 ?? Ss8:25PM 0:01.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61311 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61312 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61313 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61314 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL www 61315 0.0 6.4 25868 16312 ?? S 8:25PM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -k start -DSSL root 61317 0.0 0.1 372 216 p2 R+8:25PM 0:00.00 grep http Any ideas where I am going wrong? Tim Kellers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache22 web root directive
Eric writes: i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of /usr/local/www/data was around so long its just what everyone assumes, Not only is that a really bad assumption, but I think I remember a message from the (apache22) post-install warning things had changed. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Bandwidth Monitoring
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:05:03 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Get a personal website from the ISP
Definitely - testing from anywhere else than somewhere in your ISP's network
will add to the equation all the bandwidth-affecting-factors to/from the
*other* network / hosts. Once you've proven your point within your ISP's
network, you can move on to discuss whether your connection to the outer world
is worse than expected.
Upload a file to the personal webserver
I would suggest a large file - small files will not be good enough for
measuring your download speed. at least 20 Mb.
Download the file from the personal webserver.
If the bandwidth isn't what it's supposed to be, then
have the ISP call the local telephone company and have
that company check to see that your modem is training at
the correct rate.
adsl modems will train at lower speeds if there is
trouble with the phone line.
indeed, issues with your phone socket where u connect your modem to + overall
quality of the line will make a big difference. I drop from 3.5 Mb / 900K from
on socket in my place to 2.8 / 600 in another. Same phone line ,different
cable/socket, same modem. (that's the speed reported by the modem itself).
BTW, what is the speed reported by the modem itself? most modems have a webpage
to get , at least, this information from - even if running in bridged mode.
Check the manufacturers website for information on how to do this.
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Re: apache22 web root directive
Robert Huff wrote: Eric writes: Is there a directive to add to make.conf or anywhere else to tell ports what directory my webroot is? when i was running apache20, things like mailgraph installed files in the proper location. Recently I just updated to apache22 and now mailmail still insists on creating directories under the old directory layout. is this a mailgraph port problem or do I have a missing directive somewhere telling ports where my document root is? Let me see if I understand: You're running apache22, with DocumentRoot and/or ServerRoot in a non-standard location. Because of this, a third-party application is malfunctioning. You are looking for a single way for that and other applications to tell at run-time where the new location is. No such critter, as far as I know. For those applications that accept environment variables of command-lind switches, it should be trivial to write a wrapper script to parse httpd,conf and provide the correct information. For a compile-time switch, portupgrade users can use pkgtools.cfg; others will have to look elsewhere. close, but I am not running in a non standard DocumentRoot as far as I know. its set to apache22's /usr/local/www/apache22/data, which is the default, but if you look at the mailgraph Makefile, it uses /usr/local/www/data for the install. the more i look at it, the more it seems like its a mailgraph issue. i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of /usr/local/www/data was around so long its just what everyone assumes, but from what I can tell, thats not the recommended practice. isnt it better to install to /usr/local/www/mailgraph and then alias things? I included the maintainer to see if this is the case and perhaps the Makefile should be changed and or post install instructions can be updated Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache22 web root directive
One idea I had would be to use a symlink ? On 9/9/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric writes: i guess I am curious of the apache20 default of /usr/local/www/data was around so long its just what everyone assumes, Not only is that a really bad assumption, but I think I remember a message from the (apache22) post-install warning things had changed. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Net-snmp dying with an ld-elf error at start on brand new FreeBSD install
I've just set up my 1st FreeBSD box to use as a home router/firewall, replacing my recently departed Linksys all-in-one. I installed the latest FeeBSD release, version 6.2-RELEASE. I installed the Net-Snmp port, with the goal of eventually using it with RRDTool to graph monitor activity on the box. After configuring my snmpd.conf file, and enabling Snmp in rc.conf, I try to start the snmp daemon with /usr/local/etc/rc.d/snmpd start Unfortunately, it doesn't launch and reports an error in my shell. Starting snmpd. /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/sbin/snmpd: Undefined symbol PL_markstack_ptr I've tailed /var/log/messages, but there's nothing reported. I've Googled on PL_markstack_ptr snmpd and got back only 5 hits, none which seem to explain this problem at runtime. I don't know even where to begin to dig. Any wise old folks in here lend a hand? Phil ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: setting up xorg - mouse
Hi, Martin Tournoij wrote: On Fri 07 Sep 2007 22:09, Computer Answers wrote: Hi, right now I am running freeBSD 6.2 RELEASE with xorg 6.9 and I am I updated meanwhile to 7.2, but the result stayed the same. Please put reply messages at the _bottom_, not at the top. One list on top, the other on bottom. It is geting confusing. Erich, what is your mouse configuration? Also try and locate the problem in /var/log/Xorg.0.log This is a generic configuration: Section InputDevice Identifier mouse Driver mouse Option Protocol Auto Option Device/dev/sysmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Buttons 5 EndSection I also just tried yours. The same result. You may need to change the Indentifier line, see your ServerLayout. I changed it. The mouse cursor is visible but I cannot move the mouse cursor. If I remove the mouse definition, X starts normally allowing me to use the mouse again. Te machine is a Fujitsu P2120. The mouse is the built-in trackpoint. Here is the log file without the mouse being in xorg.conf: # # This is the log file when X is started without the mouse definition in xorg.conf. # # All other lines are removed. # X Window System Version 7.2.0 Release Date: 22 January 2007 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) ServerLayout X.org Configured (WW) The core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout. Using the default mouse configuration. (II) LoadModule: mouse (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so (II) Module mouse: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 7.2.0, module version = 1.1.1 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7 (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.6.3) for chipsets: ati, ativga (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled (II) default pointer: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse (WW) fcntl(8, O_ASYNC): Inappropriate ioctl for device (**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveScreen(2) (II) 3rd Button detected: disabling emulate3Button = Here is the log with the mouse defined in xorg.conf: X Window System Version 7.2.0 Release Date: 22 January 2007 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.2 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD P2120.somewherefaraway.com 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #0: Fri Sep 7 17:36:24 SGT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 moBuild Date: 07 July 2007 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Mon Sep 10 10:12:18 2007 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) ServerLayout X.org Configured (**) |--Screen Screen0 (0) (**) | |--Monitor Monitor0 (**) | |--Device Card0 (**) |--Input Device Mouse0 (**) |--Input Device Keyboard0 (II) LoadModule: mouse (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so (II) Module mouse: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 7.2.0, module version = 1.1.1 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.7 (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) Option Protocol Auto (**) Mouse0: Device: /dev/sysmouse (**) Mouse0: Protocol: Auto (**) Option CorePointer (**) Mouse0: Core Pointer (**) Option Device /dev/sysmouse (**) Option Buttons 5 (==) Mouse0: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 (**) Mouse0: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) Mouse0: Buttons: 9 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device Mouse0 (type: MOUSE) (II) Mouse0: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0 (II) Mouse0: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subversion 1.4.4_1: svnserve.in missing
I'm attempting to install subversion from the ports tree on 6.2 RELEASE using: make install and receive this error: cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -I./subversion/include -I./subversion -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/fs-base-test.o -c subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/fs-base-test.c cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC --silent --mode=link cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42 -rpath /usr/local/lib -o fs-base-test fs-base-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la /usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt -lpthread -lintl -lz cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -I./subversion/include -I./subversion -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/key-test.o -c subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/key-test.c cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC --silent --mode=link cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42 -rpath /usr/local/lib -o key-test key-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la /usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt -lpthread -lintl -lz cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -I./subversion/include -I./subversion -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/skel-test.o -c subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/skel-test.c cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC --silent --mode=link cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42 -rpath /usr/local/lib -o skel-test skel-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la /usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt -lpthread -lintl -lz cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -I./subversion/include -I./subversion -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include/apr-1 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/db42 -o subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/strings-reps-test.o -c subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base/strings-reps-test.c cd subversion/tests/libsvn_fs_base /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC --silent --mode=link cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -g -O2 -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/db42 -rpath /usr/local/lib -o strings-reps-test strings-reps-test.o ../../../subversion/tests/libsvn_test-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs_base/libsvn_fs_base-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_fs/libsvn_fs-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_delta/libsvn_delta-1.la ../../../subversion/libsvn_subr/libsvn_subr-1.la /usr/local/lib/libaprutil-1.la -lgdbm -ldb-4.2 -lexpat -liconv /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.la -lcrypt -lpthread -lintl -lz /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/de.mo subversion/po/de.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/es.mo subversion/po/es.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/fr.mo subversion/po/fr.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/it.mo subversion/po/it.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/ja.mo subversion/po/ja.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/ko.mo subversion/po/ko.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/nb.mo subversion/po/nb.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/pl.mo subversion/po/pl.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/pt_BR.mo subversion/po/pt_BR.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/sv.mo subversion/po/sv.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/zh_CN.mo subversion/po/zh_CN.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt -c -o subversion/po/zh_TW.mo subversion/po/zh_TW.po === Installing for subversion-1.4.4_1 ** Missing /usr/ports/devel/subversion/files/svnserve.in for subversion-1.4.4_1. *** Error code 1 Based on what I see in other ports, the .in files are used as configuration files for various portions of the build process. Is this correct? I attempted to build the port with this argument: make -DWITH_PYTHON -DWITH_JAVA -DWITH_SVNSERVE_WRAPPER install and receive the same error message, though with a much smaller build
Re: wxPython 2.8?
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Martin Tournoij wrote: On Sun 09 Sep 2007 15:09, Luke Dean wrote: I've got a Python app that seems to require wxPython 2.8. The ports collection only has 2.6. Do you think it would it be worthwhile for me to download the source and attempt to compile it on my system or should I ask the port maintainer? wxgtk 2.8 is in the ports collection(x11/toolkits/wxgtk28), you're probably using an outdated snapshot of the ports collection. See the FreeBSD handbook on how to update your ports collection: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html I guess I don't understand the relationship between wxPython and wxgtk. wxPython 2.6 builds with wxgtk 2.6 by default. If it works with wxgtk 2.8, maybe that's what I need. I'll give it a shot. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X11 reports BadLength (poly request too large ...
Hi, I mentioned this error before on the X11 list without getting a response. I found out meanwhile that I get this error message only when I run my custom kernel. Running either the kernel from the 6.2 RELEASE or the rebuilt GENERIC kernel did not result in this error message. I added this to the kernel configuration: machine i386 cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU #cpuI686_CPU ident P2120 plus device acpi_fujitsu# support for the additional buttons device acpi_video # no real information given device cpufreq # support for none ACPI frequency control device drm # enables kernel support for direct rendering device radeondrm # enables support of the ATI Radeon chipset Erich PS The error message: Script started on Thu Aug 30 14:18:40 2007 You have mail. /home/erich thunderbird [1] 42052 /home/erich The program 'thunderbird-bin' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length erro'. (Details: serial 186251 error_code 16 request_code 18 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) exit [1]Exit 1thunderbird exit Script done on Thu Aug 30 15:03:39 2007 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ip assignments
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:32:57 +1000
Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WRONG:
ifconfig_bge0=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig_bge0=inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 THIS netmask should
be 255.255.255.255
ok, obviously in a rush this morning...
the second line of course should read ifconfig_bge0_alias0 . so the correct
lines would be :
ifconfig_bge0=inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
ifconfig_bge0_alias0=inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.255
My apologies for any confusion caused,
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