Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Bruce Cran]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:40:09 +0100
Manfred Usselmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET)
> Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >> usage or need.
> > >
> > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be
> > > here
> > 
> > is someone that simply use unix an expert?
> > 
> > no.
> > 
> > 
> > > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you
> > > are
> > 
> > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix
> > replacement.
> > 
> > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both
> > low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".
> 
> This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and
> not very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was
> really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I
> was when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I
> have read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that
> Windows although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of
> course you can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a
> suitable desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on
> your specific requirements and if applications exist which do what
> you need. But saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is
> just spreading FUD. Leave that to MS. ;-)
> 
> Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
> not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna)
> in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL.
> 

I think the fundamental problem with the Windows UI is that it's trying
to cater for both advanced (e.g Shutdown, Restart, Sleep, Hibernate or
Log Off in Vista) and beginner users (Clippy, lots of wizards) at the
same time. As a result it's far too complex for everyday users but
doesn't have the flexibility that the really advanced users would
like.  An example of the complexity can be found in the mouse
operations: it's taken for granted that mice have two buttons so
Windows Explorer takes advantage of that: for most things you
left-click but for others you right-click.  I think even that's too
much for a lot of people who can't memorise the rules for the different
operations - and it's not for lack of trying!  It's something that
Apple got right: I find OS X to be incredibly limiting since
right-click isn't a first-class citizen, keyboard shortcuts aren't
enabled by default and it seems to be necessary to move the mouse a lot
to get things done. However for most people it works perfectly and is so
much simpler that they can learn it much better than they have
Windows.  

I think that's where the likes of Gnome and KDE go wrong too,
in trying to cater for two types of users at once and possibly failing
both. I think beginners might actually be better off using one of the
simpler window managers like Window Maker which have fewer items on
the screen with simple rules to get things done.  

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Re: Vuala for FreeBSD (means wuala)

[Norberto Meijome]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:04:00 +0100
Beat Siegenthaler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> wua.la is what you search for

indeed.

> java based, maybe in qemu or linux emulation..

it is java based ..I don't see the need to use qemu or linux emul...

1) the linux tar ball seems to  work as is for command line  (wualacmd)

2) for the gui version, it complains about not finding a specific version of 
swt-gtk :

$ ./wuala
Wuala Loader 2008-09-18
java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-gtk-3448 or swt-gtk in swt.library.path, 
java.library.path or the jar file
at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Library.loadLibrary(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Library.loadLibrary(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.swt.internal.C.(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Converter.wcsToMbcs(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Converter.wcsToMbcs(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.(Unknown Source)
at com.wuala.presentation.r.a(Z:112)
at com.wuala.platform.Wuala.launch(Z:22)
at com.wuala.loader2.Loader2.startInstance(Loader2.java:60)
at com.wuala.loader2.Loader2.start(Loader2.java:44)
at com.wuala.loader2.Loader2.main(Loader2.java:107)
Shutting down...
Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main]
Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main]
Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main]
Had to kill thread Thread[Instance Socket,5,main]

I added -classpath /usr/local/share/java/classes to  the java call in ./wuala 
to not avail... I suspect it is an easy fix for someone with more expertise on 
java than /me.

FWIW, the linux tarball is simply a 'downloader', which creates ~/wuala . 

My brief tests were done on :

FreeBSD ayiin.octantis.com.au 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #101: Mon 
Nov 17 10:22:11 EST 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AYIIN  i386

[...]
javavmwrapper-2.3.2 Wrapper script for various Java Virtual Machines
jdk-1.6.0.3p4_6 Java Development Kit 1.6.0
swt-devel-3.5.m1,1  Standard Widget Toolkit for Java
[..]

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Re: preparing for an upgrade

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:13:50PM -0800, Benjamin Lee wrote:
> On 11/18/08 21:43, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> [...]
> > You can only use it on 7.x if you add compatibility libraries and ensure
> > your kernel has COMPAT_FREEBSD6 in it.  These libraries have given some
> > users trouble in the past; you will find most people advocate rebuilding
> > all ports from scratch (pkg_delete -af please) when upgrading between
> > major FreeBSD versions (e.g. 6.x -> 7.x).
> 
> Is there a particular reason that you recommend using pkg_delete?  I
> just did 'portupgrade -aRf' for my 6.2 -> 7.0 upgrades.

icarus# make all-depends-list
/usr/ports/lang/ruby18
/usr/ports/databases/ruby-bdb
/usr/ports/databases/db42
/usr/ports/devel/libtool15

So when upgrading your ports, you use... a port?  That relies on a other
ports of complex nature (a language and Oracle/Sleepycat DB)?  Yeah,
I'll pass.  For example, if you use the base system pkg_* tools and
portupgrade, they can get out of sync -- totally rad!

I do not use portupgrade for a lot of reasons.  All you have to do is
examine the freebsd-* mailing lists (mainly -ports and -questions) for
problems involving portupgrade.  I believe the average is 1 a week?

If the tool "gets the job done" for you, use it; I support that right
above all else. But as for me, I'm incredibly anal when it comes to
UNIX, and I strongly believe in the KISS concept.

The only "third-party" tool I'd trust for managing ports would be
portmaster, because it's a standalone tool with no dependencies, written
in sh, and written by Doug Barton.

That's all I have to say.  I won't reply from this point on.

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Re: is threr a database for freeBSD with??

[Norberto Meijome]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:17:09 -0800
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>   I'm looking to write a simple program to extract stuff from Project
>   Gutenberg's books (--of whivh there are tens ofthousands thanks to 
>   Michael HArt and his volunteers).  There is no collection of
> metaphors in the public domain, and it wouldn't take that much coding if
> there were a database with
[...]

Hi Gary,
I am not *entirely* sure what you are after, but wordnet comes to mind :

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Wed Nov 19 17:26:26 2008]
/usr/home/betom
$ pkg_info -W `which wn`
/usr/local/bin/wn was installed by package WordNet-3.0


[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Wed Nov 19 17:25:41 2008]
/usr/home/betom
$ wn foot -over

Overview of noun foot

The noun foot has 11 senses (first 7 from tagged texts)

1. (89) foot, human foot, pes -- (the part of the leg of a human being below 
the ankle joint; "his bare feet projected from his trousers"; "armored from 
head to foot")
2. (81) foot, ft -- (a linear unit of length equal to 12 inches or a third of a 
yard; "he is six feet tall")
3. (8) foot -- (the lower part of anything; "curled up on the foot of the bed"; 
"the foot of the page"; "the foot of the list"; "the foot of the mountain")
4. (4) animal foot, foot -- (the pedal extremity of vertebrates other than 
human beings)
5. (2) foundation, base, fundament, foot, groundwork, substructure, 
understructure -- (lowest support of a structure; "it was built on a base of 
solid rock"; "he stood at the foot of the tower")
6. (2) foot, invertebrate foot -- (any of various organs of locomotion or 
attachment in invertebrates)
7. (1) foot -- (travel by walking; "he followed on foot"; "the swiftest of 
foot")
8. foot -- (a member of a surveillance team who works on foot or rides as a 
passenger)
9. infantry, foot -- (an army unit consisting of soldiers who fight on foot; 
"there came ten thousand horsemen and as many fully-armed foot")
10. metrical foot, foot, metrical unit -- ((prosody) a group of 2 or 3 
syllables forming the basic unit of poetic rhythm)
11. foot -- (a support resembling a pedal extremity; "one foot of the chair was 
on the carpet")

Overview of verb foot

The verb foot has 3 senses (first 1 from tagged texts)

1. (1) foot, pick -- (pay for something; "pick up the tab"; "pick up the burden 
of high-interest mortgages"; "foot the bill")
2. foot, leg it, hoof, hoof it -- (walk; "let's hoof it to the disco")
3. foot, foot up -- (add a column of numbers)


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Re: preparing for an upgrade

[Benjamin Lee]

On 11/18/08 21:43, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
[...]
> You can only use it on 7.x if you add compatibility libraries and ensure
> your kernel has COMPAT_FREEBSD6 in it.  These libraries have given some
> users trouble in the past; you will find most people advocate rebuilding
> all ports from scratch (pkg_delete -af please) when upgrading between
> major FreeBSD versions (e.g. 6.x -> 7.x).

Is there a particular reason that you recommend using pkg_delete?  I
just did 'portupgrade -aRf' for my 6.2 -> 7.0 upgrades.


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Re: preparing for an upgrade

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:07:32PM +1100, andrew clarke wrote:
> On Tue 2008-11-18 16:47:20 UTC-0700, Kelly Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an
> > upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4.
> 
> Have you considered using freebsd-update?  From memory, it supports 6.2.
> 
> > Please excuse my ignorance but in my mind here's what I plan to do
> > when it's available:
> > 
> > 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4
> > GENERIC kernel, reboot
> > 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot
> > 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4)
> > 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports)
> 
> I don't think there will be any need to rebuild your ports after
> upgrading from 6.2 to 6.4.  (The situation is different if you were
> going from 6.2 to 7.1 though.)

Threading library changes are a good reason to rebuild your ports in
this case.

> > I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What
> > I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never
> > had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is
> > a little different and specific to 6.4?
> 
> No, there is only one ports tree shared between all FreeBSD versions.
> If you already have an updated ports tree with a 6.2 installation, you
> can keep using that with 6.4 (or even 7.x).

You can only use it on 7.x if you add compatibility libraries and ensure
your kernel has COMPAT_FREEBSD6 in it.  These libraries have given some
users trouble in the past; you will find most people advocate rebuilding
all ports from scratch (pkg_delete -af please) when upgrading between
major FreeBSD versions (e.g. 6.x -> 7.x).

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Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:10:55PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> Polytropon wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> The Urchin installation docs [...]
>>> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process 
>>> datasiz limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set 
>>> "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in /boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 
>>> doesn't appear to have this sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of 
>>> this in FBSD 7.1?
>>> 
>>
>> Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as
>> I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find
>> it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-)
>>
>> In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using
>> the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a
>> FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check.
>>   
>
> Thanks for your reply.  I guess I expected to be able to view it via  
> sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot.   
> Is there some way to view the current setting?

Through sysctl.

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Re: large binary, why not strip ?

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:42:12AM +, Masoom Shaikh wrote:
> most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk
> 
> stripping em all reduces their size dramatically
> 
> I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ?
> 
> do I miss anything ?

I haven't seen anyone point out the downside to stripping binaries and
libraries: removal of debugging symbols.  "The apebajs program suddenly
crashes in some library, here's the now-completely-useless backtrace".
The user is then forced to go back and recompile *everything* to get
debugging symbols.

The non-stripping situation is on a per-port basis, AFAIK.  Not all
ports have WITH_DEBUG.

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mod_auth_ldap

[Peter Boosten]

Hi all,

Anyone try to compile this one?
It stops with a
www/mod_auth_ldap (missing header)

The header it cannot find is:
mod_auth_ldap.c:61:24: error: apr_compat.h: No such file or directory

And it's right: the file indeed is not on my system, and it didn't come
with apr-gdbm-db44-1.3.3.1.3.4, nor with apache-2.2.9_5.

Does anyone have some clues about the solution?

TIA

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Re: preparing for an upgrade

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2008-11-18 16:47:20 UTC-0700, Kelly Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an
> upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4.

Have you considered using freebsd-update?  From memory, it supports 6.2.

> Please excuse my ignorance but in my mind here's what I plan to do
> when it's available:
> 
> 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4
> GENERIC kernel, reboot
> 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot
> 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4)
> 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports)

I don't think there will be any need to rebuild your ports after
upgrading from 6.2 to 6.4.  (The situation is different if you were
going from 6.2 to 7.1 though.)

> Will this work?
> 
> I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What
> I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never
> had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is
> a little different and specific to 6.4?

No, there is only one ports tree shared between all FreeBSD versions.
If you already have an updated ports tree with a 6.2 installation, you
can keep using that with 6.4 (or even 7.x).
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Re: large binary, why not strip ?

[Jeffrey Goldberg]

On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Paul B. Mahol wrote:


And what about /usr/local/lib/** ?


Interesting.  I found that only 11 are stripped on my system compared  
to 272 not stripped


That is pretty much the opposite of the ratio I round in /usr/local/ 
bin where there were something like 350 stripped and only 35 not  
stripped.


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Re: Running X without a videocard

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2008-11-18 19:02:48 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64.
> There is no video card on these puppies.  But I seem to recall that we ran
> solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that 
> 
> I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD.

I use vncserver from the net/tightvnc port.
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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2008-11-18 17:06:44 UTC-0500, michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>> 550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if
>> they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx).  Presumably Windows
>> is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version
>> of VLC a test run.
>>
>> The RAM & HDD specs are fine.  Provided the laptop's integrated video
>> and networking is supported, you should be good to go.
>
> Actually, an AMD k6-2 450 will play over 720 resolution divx. mplayer  
> with a proper cache setting and enough ram helps massively.

Ah, I use mplayer occasionally but never -cache setting.  What do you
use on the K6-2 450?

Thanks.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[RW]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:10:48 -0800
Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cygwin is an atrocity,

Why's that?
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Re: preparing for an upgrade

[matt donovan]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Kelly Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an
> upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4. Please excuse my ignorance but in my
> mind here's what I plan to do when it's available:
>
> 1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4
> GENERIC kernel, reboot
> 2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot
> 3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4)
> 4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports)
>
> Will this work?
>
> I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What
> I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never
> had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is
> a little different and specific to 6.4? The port system is **so much
> better** than using ports on my OpenBSD systems!
>
> thanks,
> kelly
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no ports doesn't go to a certain release, once a FreeBSD version is no
longer support you can bet that some ports will not work correctly on that
version. for example the ports you have now is the same as on 7.x
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Speed Test in PC5750 verizon card

[Sung Park]

 

Hello, 

 

I use PC5750 verizon air card in FreeBSD 6.3 with ugencom device driver.

It works fine but I only get 240Kbps upload and download speed even I got
EDVO connection.  When I test it in Windows, I got 1.4Mbps for download and
750Kbps for upload speed.  I try so many staff and search but I couldn't
find a solution.  If anyone has similar experience then share with me. 

 

Thanks 

 

 

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Re: Port forwarding behind two routers

[Jakub T]

2008/11/15 Luke Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> Port-forwarding through two NATs is something I've never had any success
> with.  I have a few suggestions that have worked for me and my friends with
> this setup.
>
> A) Disable NAT on the ADSL router.  I think the term is "bridged mode".
> Turn it into a dumb box and shift all the NAT/firewall/routing
> responsibilities over to your wireless router.  Depending on your ISP, the
> hardware, and the protocols involved, this may not be an option for you.
>
> B) Disable NAT on the wireless router.  This allows it to be a simple
> switch and wireless access point.  The price is that you're probably relying
> on the DHCP server in the wireless router for your wireless devices and
> you'll have to disable the DHCP when you disable NAT.  This creates new
> problems to be solved.
>
> C) Plug the FreeBSD box into the ADSL router, skipping the wireless router.
>  Your wireless devices will still be double-NATted, but if you're not
> running servers on them, you might be able to live with that.
>
>
Luke,

Thank you very much, your advices were very helpful and I now have a working
port forwarding through two routers. Sorry for the delay in the answering,
it took me some time to test various options...

Actually your (A) advice is what did the job. I turned off DHCP server on
ADSL router and enabled "NAT - DMZ Host" option on it (for which I realized
that it was the closest to your description of "bridged mode").

Then I configured the wireless router to use static IP config instead of
expecting DHCP server. The situation is now this:

INTERNET
|
telephone/adsl-wire
|
|
ADSL router
 wan : xx.xx.xx.xx  FreeBSD box (wired)
 lan : 192.168.1.1  ip: 192.168.0.102
| laptopgateway: 192.168.0.1
| (wireless)|
   [internet plug]ip: 192.168.0.101 |
  Wireless router gateway: 192.168.0.1  |
  wan : 192.168.1.2:|
  lan : 192.168.0.1  . . . . . :|
   [ethernet plug]  |
|   |
+---+

DMZ host for ADSL router is 192.168.1.2 -- and it works!

I have one question more (forgive my ignorance): now the wireless router is
configured to use static IP config and I must provide one or more "Static
DNS servers" to it. Is it ok to type just "192.168.1.1" as DNS (which works
for now) or to copy DNS servers which are automatically provided to the ADSL
router by the ISP?

Once again, thank you.
Jakub
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Re: [OT] printing question

[Andrew Gould]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Warren Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:
>
>  So the bottom line is:  "Get a postscript printer."  They're rather
>> expensive.
>>
>
> Not always:
>
> http://wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/usedlasers.pdf
>
> Thanks to Ghostscript, PCL printers will also work.
>
>  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
>> printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)
>>
>
> That would be the easiest way, and probably the highest quality if you're
> printing images.  Gutenprint will probably drive the Epson Artisan 800 soon
> if it doesn't already, but you might want to reconsider after this review:
>
>
> http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/epson-artisan-800/4505-3181_7-33241287.html?tag=mncol;txt
>
> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
>

Thanks for the links.  The artisan appears to be a real mixed bag.

Andrew
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Re: [OT] printing question

[Warren Block]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:


So the bottom line is:  "Get a postscript printer."  They're rather
expensive.


Not always:

http://wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/usedlasers.pdf

Thanks to Ghostscript, PCL printers will also work.


It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)


That would be the easiest way, and probably the highest quality if 
you're printing images.  Gutenprint will probably drive the Epson 
Artisan 800 soon if it doesn't already, but you might want to reconsider 
after this review:


http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/epson-artisan-800/4505-3181_7-33241287.html?tag=mncol;txt

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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RE: Running X without a videocard

[Gary Hartl]

Whoa this is way beyond me I think...can you direct me to a howto or the
like.

X11 over SSH good lordi'm out of touch with *NIX..
Am i to understand that i could run a pretty nice (not gnome or kde) but one
of the less intense interfaces over ssh (this is on an internal network so
connection speed isn't an issue.

6 years, and I have admin alzheimers'   

Thanks 

Gary 


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Subject: Re: Running X without a videocard

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008, Gary Hartl wrote:
>Hi all;
>
>More questions...
>
>I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64.
>There is no video card on these puppies.  But I seem to recall that we ran
>solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that 
>
>I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD.

You should be able to run X clients on the remote machine easily
via ssh.  There's no requirement for video cards, only that the
appropriate X11 software be installed on the remote system.

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Re: Running X without a videocard

[Bill Campbell]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008, Gary Hartl wrote:
>Hi all;
>
>More questions...
>
>I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64.
>There is no video card on these puppies.  But I seem to recall that we ran
>solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that 
>
>I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD.

You should be able to run X clients on the remote machine easily
via ssh.  There's no requirement for video cards, only that the
appropriate X11 software be installed on the remote system.

Bill
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preparing for an upgrade

[Kelly Martin]

With the release of FreeBSD 6.4 imminent, I'd like to prepare for an
upgrade from FreeBSD 6.2 -> 6.4. Please excuse my ignorance but in my
mind here's what I plan to do when it's available:

1. install / run the upgrade script using CD-ROM media to a 6.4
GENERIC kernel, reboot
2. customize the kernel to my hardware (like I did in 6.2), reboot
3. portsnap fetch update (to get the latest ports tree for 6.4)
4. portupgrade -ai (to upgrade any outdated ports)

Will this work?

I'm a little confused about different versions of the ports tree. What
I mean is, I keep updating my FreeBSD 6.2 ports tree and have never
had any problems... it just works. I'm assuming the 6.4 ports tree is
a little different and specific to 6.4? The port system is **so much
better** than using ports on my OpenBSD systems!

thanks,
kelly
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Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz

[Drew Tomlinson]

Polytropon wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

The Urchin installation docs [...]
contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process datasiz 
limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in 
/boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this 
sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1?



Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as
I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find
it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-)

In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using
the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a
FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check.
  


Thanks for your reply.  I guess I expected to be able to view it via 
sysctl even though I understood it could only be changed with a reboot.  
Is there some way to view the current setting?


Thanks,

Drew

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Running X without a videocard

[Gary Hartl]

Hi all;

More questions...

I am running FBSD-stable 6.0 on some Sun Netra X1's so it is sparc64.
There is no video card on these puppies.  But I seem to recall that we ran
solaris X using WinAXE or VNC or something like that 

I'm wondering if it is possible to do the same with FBSD.

Thanks 

Gary 


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Re: FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:34:32 -0800, Drew Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Urchin installation docs [...]
> contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process datasiz 
> limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in 
> /boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this 
> sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1?

Exactly, it is *not* a sysctl setting. It's a loader tunable, as
I learned from this list some time ago. Don't search to find
it in the sysctl list, you won't find it there. :-)

In FreeBSD 7 you should be able to set this setting using
the file /boot/loader.conf. I think I had this setting on a
FreeBSD 5 machine, I'll go and check.



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FBSD 7.1 & kern.maxdsiz

[Drew Tomlinson]

I installed FBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 version on an Intel Core2Duo box 
with 4 GB of RAM.  The main purpose of this box is to run the Urchin web 
analysis software from Google.  The Urchin installation docs 
(https://secure.urchin.com/helpwiki/en/Urchin_Installation_Guide_(FreeBSD_and_Linux)) 
contain a note for FreeBSD users waring of a "hard coded process datasiz 
limit of 500 MB" and instruct on to set "kern.maxdsiz="1073741824"" in 
/boot/loader.conf.  However FBSD 7.1 doesn't appear to have this 
sysctl.  How can I do the equivalent of this in FBSD 7.1?


Thanks,

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:29:27PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >>so why it have a much smaller market share?
> >
> >Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to
> >sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their
> 
> Apple produces it's own computers. Actually a branded PCs now.
> what a problem?

Not at all the same thing.   Apple produces its own and puts an OS on
it.   If they tell an OEM vendor they cannot put anything else on it, then
it begins to go in the bad direction.   If they tell the OEM vendor that
not only can they not put anything else on the hardware that the OEM
build, but that they have to put their OS on EVERY piece of hardware
that they make, then it is like MS.It isn't as if MS made computers
and put their own stuff on every machine, which would be similar to the
Kodak issue of years gone by.   MS tried to force other hardware makers
to only put MS on their (the other maker) machines and put it on every
machine they sold.No manufacturer or OEM could sell a machine with
MS unless they sold EVERY machine they made with MS.  That is crooked
business.But they got away with barely a slapped wrist.

jerry

> 
> the problem is that Apple works the same way as Commodore 20-15 years ago.
> 
> Trying to get prices as high as possible, instead of looking in future.
> 
> Exactly what apple do now - selling ordinary PC (just more stylish cases) 
> 2-3 times more expensive.
> 
> if Apple computers would be similarly prices or slightly higher, then 
> they could really compete.
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is threr a database for freeBSD with??

[Gary Kline]

I'm looking to write a simple program to extract stuff from Project
Gutenberg's books (--of whivh there are tens ofthousands thanks to 
Michael HArt and his volunteers).  There is no collection of metaphors 
in
the public domain, and it wouldn't take that much coding if there were a
database with

word, (grammatical type), e.g.

foot, n

love, n

run, v

ugly, adj

etc.

It occured to me that I might take the CIDE/GCIDE database and somehow 
scrounge the world-list above from that.  I don't think it is available
on Linux.  Dunno.  Nutshell, it would be a major help to writers to have
this kind of stuff online instead of a 17-pound book... .

Thanks for ideas, as well as code snippets!

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Apology

[Gary Hartl]

Sorry group I just realized I've been sending HTML emails to the group

Plain text now set.

Stupid outlook

Thanks 

Gary 


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Re: Newbie question

[matt donovan]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Gary Hartl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all;
>
>
>
> Quick newbie question.
>
>
>
> I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which
> is
> fine
>
>
>
> There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never
> remembered and forgot that I never knew it.
>
>
>
> Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't
> use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run
> levels.
>
>
>
> So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is
> for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is
> there or what it is doing).
>
>
>
> I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff
> like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively
> using FBSD but am looking to get back into it.
>
>
>
> Rc.d anyone?
>
>
>
> My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
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No FreeBSD uses rc.d it's where the rc.d actually came from. for ports  it's
/usr/local/etc/rc.d for system scripts it's /etc/rc.d
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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:21:02 -0500, "Gary Hartl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all;
> 
> I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.
> 
> I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
> something like that feeding to my tv.
> 
> Anyone with any feedback on this.

Yes, done it. AMD 550 MHz CPU, 128 MB RAM, 6 GB HDD (new 20 GB disk
ready to start) with FreeBSD 5. Main utilities were xmms and mplayer,
NB no K- or G-mplayer. Worked very well for serving music and videos
(allthough not in DVD quality, no DVD drive).



> Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?

I don't know. But in order to utilize a "low end machine" for the
purpose specified you need to taylor a lot. I don't think there's
anything preconfigured yet...

GUI setting here: WindowMaker, Midnight Commander, X Terminals
and some utilities as shell scripts or in Tcl/Tk I wrote myself.



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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

[Albert Shih]

 Le 18/11/2008 à 16:43:47+0100, Wojciech Puchar a écrit
> >
> > D-LINK DWL-G630
> >
> > Trendnet TEW-421PC
> >
> > D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...
> >
> > Linksys WPC54G
> >
> > Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster
> >
> > Trendnet TEW-441PC
> >
> ask about chipset they use and then look at FreeBSD site for hardware 
> compatibility. FreeBSD supports a lot of wireless cards.
> 
> sometimes even more works using driver converter (ndisgen) that converts 
> windows XP drivers. But performance may (will) be lower.

After some research on Internet (with other machine ;-) ) I finaly make the
wifi card working. Using wpi driver. 

> 
> > Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-)
> >
> what it is? FreeBSD supports most (but not all) network cards

It's Broadcom 5756.

I known it's very close to 57xx but...it's not working.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

[John Nielsen]

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 09:55:35 am Albert Shih wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD do
> not recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet cardsh** windows
> say it's Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ).
>
> So I just want to known what 802.11G card I can buy without drivers
> problem.
>
> My local dealer have those card :
[snip]
>   Trendnet TEW-441PC

I ordered this card from newegg not long ago. It's inexpensive and 
well-supported by the ath(4) driver (unlike the (slightly cheaper) other 
trendnet card you mentioned).

JN
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Newbie question

[Gary Hartl]

Hi all;

 

Quick newbie question.

 

I've been out of the bsd loop for a bit, i'm trying to setup nagios which is
fine 

 

There are a couple of settings that I either don't remember or never
remembered and forgot that I never knew it.

 

Ok so nagios is asking me for an rc.d path, which if i recall FBSD doesn't
use it is a linux script path for starting services at different run levels.

 

So does FBSD emulate it for certain packages cause Nagios finds it at
/usr/local/etc/rc.d but the only thing i have in it is webmin.sh which is
for my webmin interface (although I must confess I'm not sure why it is
there or what it is doing).  

 

I must also admit i feel rather retarded, since I used to know this stuff
like the back of my hand, but it's been 6-7 years since i've been actively
using FBSD but am looking to get back into it.

 

Rc.d anyone? 

 

My assumption is that FBSD is using inetd for starting services correct?

 

Thanks 

 

Gary 

 

 

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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

[michael]

andrew clarke wrote:

On Tue 2008-11-18 11:21:02 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

  

I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.

I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
something like that feeding to my tv.



550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if
they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx).  Presumably Windows
is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version
of VLC a test run.

The RAM & HDD specs are fine.  Provided the laptop's integrated video
and networking is supported, you should be good to go.
  
Actually, an AMD k6-2 450 will play over 720 resolution divx. mplayer 
with a proper cache setting and enough ram helps massively.

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Re: kqemu runs 2x faster on i386 than amd64!?

[Juergen Lock]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>Guess I should've mentioned the target is 32-bit win2k...
>
>On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Steve Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm not comparing apples-to-apples exactly, but both my disks are in
>> the same system, both are running 7-stable from within the last few
>> months, so it's pretty close.  Also, the i386 is a direct replacement
>> of the amd64 to fix this and other problems, so the software &
>> settings set is pretty identical also...
>>
>> kqemu crawls when I boot amd64 (and I notice the processor is always
>> over 50%), and it's reasonalbly usable on i386 (also, the processor is
>> often in the 30% range, instead of 60%).
>>
>> Steve

Hi!

 Are you sure kqemu is even used? (in the monitor do: info kqemu)

 Quoting ports/emulators/qemu/pkg-message:

- also remember that on amd64 you need to run the amd64 (x86_64) system
emulation if you want to use kqemu, i.e. run qemu-system-x86_64 instead of
qemu (the latter only emulates a 32 bit system.) [...]

 Note however that this is no longer true with the qemu-devel port, so
if you are using that also the 32 bit `qemu' can use kqemu.

 And finally, for anyone wanting to test out more recent qemu svn
snapshots, you should check -emulation, I have just prepared another
experimental qemu-devel port update:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2008-November/005526.html

 HTH,
Juergen

PS: No I'm still not on -questions, so please Cc me if you want to make
sure I see followups.  (I was just testing out accessing it via gmane and
looked for recent posts about qemu...)
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Re: realtime network replication

[Chuck Swiger]

On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Ansar Mohammed wrote:
Ok, I have /home on one server, I need to REPLICATE /home to another  
server
in realtime. Kinda like a mirror, but over a network. I don't want  
to use

rsync because its not realtime.


Yeah, your problem description is clear enough.  If you want true  
redundancy and the data available from both machines, you're talking  
about more of a clustered filesystem like Veritas CFS or maybe Andrew  
FS / DFS from Transarc.


However, you might also find something like /usr/ports/net/unison a  
reasonable alternative:


  http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

[andrew clarke]

On Tue 2008-11-18 11:21:02 UTC-0500, Gary Hartl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.
> 
> I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
> something like that feeding to my tv.

550 MHz will be a bit slow for playing DivX/XviD movies, especially if
they're high definition (beyond 640x480 approx).  Presumably Windows
is installed on it at the moment, so you can give the Windows version
of VLC a test run.

The RAM & HDD specs are fine.  Provided the laptop's integrated video
and networking is supported, you should be good to go.
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tcpdump(1) filter by date

[Eduardo Meyer]

Hello,

I have a kind big tcpdump file, which has data from the last week. I
want to dump information based on date. Can I do it without generating
a full output and later parse the headers?

Say, I want to filter by date in the  filter and not with

tcpdump -r dumpfile | awk '{ number of packets starting from the epoch-formatted date I
have paused my work later.

Sometimes I will also need this for pflog files, so, I would
appreciate any tips to do this with tcpdump custom files or pflog
generated files if there is anything would fit for one situation but
not for another.

Thank you all in advance.



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Re:FreeBSD, OMSA Live CD and DSET tools for Dell 2950 Server?

[VeeJay]

Any help???

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, VeeJay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello there,
>
> To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two
> tools
>
> 1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I am
> just wondering if it will work or not?
> 2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems
>
> And seeking your comments in this regards:
>
>
> *Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0*
> **
> *2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB
> *Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot)
> PE2950 English rack power cord
> PE2950 Bezel Assembly
> *16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD
> 6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug*
> PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane
> *PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane
> *CD/DVD Drive Cable
> 8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE
> PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord
> Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord
> TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P
> Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled
> Drac 5 Card
> *PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i
> *
>
> --
> Thanks!
>
> BR / vj
>



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BSD-licensed text utility updates

[Chad Perrin]

I've been trying to keep generally aware of where things are with the
attempts to port and develop BSD-licensed text processing utilities for
FreeBSD:

  http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ideas/#p-bsdtexttools

Apparently, the Google Summer of Code project that tackled the problem
met with some success, notably in the area of grep porting and
development, as noted on this year's GSOC notifications page:

  http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode-2008.html

That page contains the following note:

  If we can accept the regex differencies in grep, it is ready to enter
  SVN after some thorough testing.

Where can I find discussion, or at least updates, on the status of
projects like this?  Considering its completeness, and the fact that it
has been declared ready for inclusion in the base system, I think this is
a topic that might deserve some attention, and it certainly piques my
interest.

I'm similarly interested in other matters such as the license auditing
infrastructure project (also mentioned on the GSOC page).  If there's a
mailing list appropriate to this sort of thing, whether for discussion,
development, or just progress announcements, I haven't been able to find
it.

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Re: [OT] printing question

[Lowell Gilbert]

"Andrew Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So the bottom line is:  "Get a postscript printer."  They're rather
> expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
> printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)

It's not clear to me that anyone posting here had tried printing to a
printer on a recent Mac.  I haven't, even though I've got one in my
house.  I know that the Mac's printer shows up more or less
automagically on the FreeBSD (CUPS) machines on the LAN, but I don't
think I've tried actually printing to it.


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Re: [OT] printing question

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00:03PM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chad Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available
> > as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and
> > that it's a Postscript printer.  If you want to get a printer and connect
> > it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then
> > you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without
> > problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer.  If it isn't, you may
> > have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the
> > network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD
> > systems.
> >
> > Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800.  I'm happy
> > with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network.
> >
> > --
> > Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
> > Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches
> > itself."
> >
> 
> Thanks to all for the advice.
> 
> So the bottom line is:  "Get a postscript printer."  They're rather
> expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
> printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)
> 
> Now, if I had money to waste.. I just discovered that those really
> cool, wide format printers used at many photo printing shops are postscript
> printers

Those are hit-or-miss as well.  Our HP plotter at work, for example:
when printing actual images (JPEG, GIF, etc.), you have to configure the
printer driver to think that the printer is the exact size/resolution of
the image you want to print, otherwise it prints half the image, then
in mid-line starts looping back to the top of the image, and loses all
concept of paper size.

Awesome.

> Imagine the font size you could use on a 20"x30" memo.

I can tell you that my Brother MFC-5860CN printer, despite being a AIO
network printer, does not work with FreeBSD -- even lpd does not work
with it.  The behaviour is repeatable: sending data to either the LPD
port or the JetDirect emulation port results in the printer showing
"Receiving data" (or something like that) on the LCD, then the printer
just locks up.  Supposedly the network data stream has to be encoded in
some way.

Brother offers numerous Linux packages, and Linux binaries, which take
care of this for you, but nothing for FreeBSD.  In fact, their FAQ/KB
even answers "Do you support FreeBSD?" with something that resembles
"No, we do not, and we will not, go away".  You can find tons of web
pages on this printer, and other Brother printers; tons of Linux success
stories, otherwise nothing but tears.  This printer does work very
well in Windows, but not so well with OS X (unless its hooked up to the
USB port, where supposedly it works fine).

I have no interest in CUPS (bloated and overcomplex), and no interest in
Linux emulation (lolcat style: DO NOT WANT), so I stick with printing
under Windows.

Prior to the Brother, I had an HP DeskJet AIO, and I literally threw it
in the trash due to Windows drivers bloat galore.  There's a famous
problem with their drivers where every time you print, it launches an
EXE, but then never kills the EXE off.  Print 10 times, you've got 10
EXEs lingering around in memory.  Imagine this in a corp environment
where there's a Windows print server involved -- totally unacceptable.
I'm afraid to sell/dispose of my Brother and get an HP LaserJet because
of their drivers.

The point I'm trying to make: do not think that just because a printer
has an Ethernet port that it will work with FreeBSD.

The other part of the problem is that FreeBSD's USB stack isn't so
great.  I assume that just because a USB printer attaches as ulpt(4)
doesn't mean it'll print properly (e.g. needs an I/O driver of some
kind), but I could be wrong.

I don't know what your budget is, but US$300-400 for an AIO printer
that works with your setup, and in a multi-OS environment, is well
worth it.

If folks out there are using network or USB printers with FreeBSD
RELENG_7 (without Linux emulation; CUPS is acceptable for others, just
not me :-) )), compiling a list of compatible hardware would be
beneficial.

It seems that most HP LaserJet printers with network I/O work well,
assuming the model supports some form of PostScript.

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Re: [OT] printing question

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:00:03PM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
> 
> So the bottom line is:  "Get a postscript printer."  They're rather
> expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
> printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)

The reason Postscript printers tend to be "expensive" is that they tend
to be high quality.  Only cheap, crappy "desktop" printers of the sort
that people buy for their home MS Windows systems, then replace when they
run out of ink because replacement ink cartridges cost more than half the
cost of a brand new printer, tend to be incapable of using Postscript.
There are exceptions, of course, in the form of very expensive, highly
specialized printers that are unsuitable to home or even most office use
and don't "understand" Postscript.

. . . but generally speaking, if it doesn't speak Postscript, it's
probably a heap of junk anyway.  That's my experience, at least.

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RE: [OT] printing question

[Bob McConnell]

On Behalf Of Andrew Gould

> Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the
need
> occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS
X.  The
> Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux

I can't help with the setup issues, as I don't use printers from those
systems. However, I do have a recommendation for you. I recently
purchased a new HP CP1518ni Color Laser at Sam's Club for less than
US$300. It has the Jet Direct network interface, includes Postscript and
has worked flawlessly on my home network. HP provides Linux drivers in
their hpiplib package. Once it is on the network, setup can be completed
from a browser.

The four toner cartridges run about US$70 each at Staples, but will
print around 2200 pages, which is many times the number of pages for the
equivalent cost in ink cartridges. We expect the overall cost to be
significantly less than a DeskJet with all of the refills it would eat.
I suspect we will have covered the difference in the printer prices
before we burn through the 700 pages the original cartridges should
provide. Plus the pages don't smear when we handle them with damp
fingers.

HTH,

Bob McConnell
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:22:56PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >Time to forget this.It is a semantic and religious battle
> >playing hair splitting games with words.It is not a MS clone
> >but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
> >FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.
> 
> and you get something completely different. FORTUNATELY different.

That doesn't change the fact that it *replaced* MS Windows.


> 
> but - if millions of now-windows users starts switching to FreeBSD, it 
> will quickly become more and more similar. as linux did.

Correlation does not imply causation -- just as repeating something many
times doesn't make it true.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:26:36PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >>are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
> >>a kick in the face.
> >
> >Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you
> >often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?!
> 
> i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less.
> 
> helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (or 
> think i know).
> 
> And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of "replacing" 
> windows with unix without first learning unix from basics.
> 
> And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good 
> thing. it is not.

I don't think that making having as many FreeBSD users as possible a
primary goal is a good idea, to be sure.  On the other hand, if we do so
only within the constraints of current design philosophy and an attempt
to focus more on quality than quantity, having more users *is* a good
thing for a number of reasons -- in large part because of the benefits
that can be gained from a stronger user base.

What we should *not* do is take such a hostile attitude toward potential
new users that the user base of FreeBSD ultimately dwindles due to the
attrition of time.  That seems to be your approach, and I find it quite
counterproductive, especially when you couple it with weirdly anti-Unix
statements like your continuing insistence that no Unix system can
effectively replace MS Windows.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37:21PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> 
> The same applies to the X Window System.  It sucks.  It is laden with
> various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions
> litter the X Window System.  The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are
> all even worse than those of the X Window System, though, so I still with
> X.

This might be relevant to that, in fact:

  http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=650

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Re: [OT] printing question

[Andrew Gould]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Chad Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available
> as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and
> that it's a Postscript printer.  If you want to get a printer and connect
> it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then
> you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without
> problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer.  If it isn't, you may
> have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the
> network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD
> systems.
>
> Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800.  I'm happy
> with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network.
>
> --
> Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
> Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches
> itself."
>

Thanks to all for the advice.

So the bottom line is:  "Get a postscript printer."  They're rather
expensive.  It may be worth the inconvenience of sharing drive space and
printing from the Mac via VNC window.  ;-)

Now, if I had money to waste.. I just discovered that those really
cool, wide format printers used at many photo printing shops are postscript
printers  Imagine the font size you could use on a 20"x30" memo.

Andrew
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Re: [OT] printing question

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
> Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need
> occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X.  The
> Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux
> printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).
> 
> Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will
> I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer?  I only need
> printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer.

Your best bet for printer compatibility is to ensure that it's available
as a network device rather than having to connect to it directly, and
that it's a Postscript printer.  If you want to get a printer and connect
it directly to your Mac, and you're sure it'll work with your Mac, then
you should be able to share it with the rest of the network without
problems -- as long as it's a Postscript printer.  If it isn't, you may
have to do some digging to determine whether other computers on the
network will be able to use the shared printer at all, including FreeBSD
systems.

Alas, I know basically nothing about the Epson Artisan 800.  I'm happy
with my HP laser printer connected directly to the network.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Robert Huff]

Chad Perrin writes:

>  > I read once that:  "The difference between the lab and the real 
>  > world is that, in the lab, there is no difference."  I wish I
>  > had noted the source.
>  
>  The way I'd heard that sentiment was slightly different:
>  
>"In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they
>aren't."
>  
>  . . . or something to that effect.

"The difference between theory and practice, in theory, is much
smaller than the difference between theory and practice, in
practice."


Robert Huff

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:13:40AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
> 
> I read once that:  "The difference between the lab and the real world is
> that, in the lab, there is no difference."  I wish I had noted the source.

The way I'd heard that sentiment was slightly different:

  "In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they
  aren't."

. . . or something to that effect.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:42:26AM -0500, Dan wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 12:23:24 +0100:
> > FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being  
> > very stable and high performance.
> >
> > for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha  
> > state.
> 
> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
> speed and scalability. Both are well optimized.
> 
> Unix is for servers, Windoze/OSX is for clients. They're much better
> clients than Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs.
> Think about that.

Uh . . . what?

I'll try pasting something:

  Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]

Yep, works great.  In fact, I *love* that middle-click paste thing, and
on the rare occasion that I find myself sitting down in front of an MS
Windows machine, I find myself quickly lamenting the existence of
middle-click pasting, and start wondering why MS Windows is such a
primitive excuse for a "desktop" operating system.

I don't know where you get the idea that MS Windows is so good at being a
"client" and FreeBSD is so bad at it.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Manolis Kiagias]

Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>   
>>> By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
>>>   
>> and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.
>> 
>
> It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me.  I don't
> know why you're so down on it.
>
>
>   
>> as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
>> end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".
>> 
>
> 
>
> . . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me.
> I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop
> every single day.
>
>   

(Responding to random post)

Could we please *close* this discussion now?
This is simply a waste of the list resources, people will always have
ideas on why an OS is better or worse than another. If the original
poster wanted to know something about all this, he would have probably
commented by now. Has it come to anyone's mind that the original post
was probably a simple act of trolling? (and someone is now amused by all
this?)

In the end, when someone is presented with the facts and can have a
hands on experience with a system (and it won't cost him a dime to do
so), he can decide whether he wants to use it, whether it can replace
his current system and whether he is willing to climb the steep learning
curve. Let's give people choice, we don't need to force this or any
other OS down anyone's throat.
Let's just help whoever comes in here - Some will appreciate FreeBSD
*and* the community and will stay. And it will be there choice.

Just my 2c
Over and out ;)

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:10:48AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:40:09PM +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote:
> 
> I have a lot of reasons for loathing X.  A *lot*.  I've spent a lot of
> time (and even money; anyone remember AccelX back in the 90s?  Yep, I
> bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot.  I'm not going
> to provide details because it'll just induce more parking lot burn-outs
> and that's not what I want.

I loathe Firefox.  I find it incredibly annoying, bloated, cumbersome,
and otherwise sucky.  Unfortunately, the disadvantages of every other Web
browser I've encountered are *worse* (though Chromium shows promise, if
it ever gets ported to BSD Unix systems), so I keep using Firefox as my
primary browser.

The same applies to the X Window System.  It sucks.  It is laden with
various and sundry big problems; annoyances and poor design decisions
litter the X Window System.  The drawbacks of Luna, Aqua, and Aero are
all even worse than those of the X Window System, though, so I still with
X.


> 
> Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows --
> and I have co-workers who absolutely love OS X's GUI, and hate X and
> Windows.  (In fact, the few OS X users I know get quite irate when they
> find some OS X program actually relies on X11).

I'd be annoyed by that, too.  Software that is ported to other systems
should not drag along baggage like assumed reliance on other software
particular to the source system.  I get similarly irate at discovering
I've discovered an application that depends on a metric crapload of KDE
or GNOME libraries.  I don't think getting irate over software relying on
software that you otherwise don't have on your system, and that does not
provide functionality actually important to the operation of the software
you actually want, is really much of an indicator of how individualized
GUI taste can be.


> 
> The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities
> come into play.  Anyone who's used *IX will know what I mean by this.
> PowerShell/Monad is a joke, Cygwin is an atrocity, 4NT/4DOS is too
> quirky, and *IX application ports often have too many bugs (either not
> handling NTFS filenames correctly (resorting to 8.3 format), or having
> filesize limitations due to the porter doing it wrong; 2GB limits are
> found in common programs including Win32 wget).

I'm curious -- what exactly do you dislike about PowerShell?  This is the
first time I've really heard such a complaint about it.


> 
> Every operating system/GUI/environment has its share of quirks.  It just
> depends on which ones you can tolerate.  I can tolerate some of Windows'
> quirks (sans "focus stealing", although I'm told KDE applicationg are
> starting down this road too), but cannot with X or OS X.  I suppose it's
> because I've a mental stigma; I associate *IX and UNIX with servers, and
> I likely always will.  *IX/UNIX on the desktop is a crazy idea to me.

This is in line with my experience of people who prefer the MS Windows
interface over that of the X Window System -- their preference is usually
dominated by matters of familiarity.  I'm kind of the opposite type of
person in that regard: I regularly try something new, because I'm always
looking for a better way to do things.

> 
> That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out.

That's a bummer.  I'd like to know your thoughts on some of my above
commentary -- particularly on the subject of PowerShell.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

so why it have a much smaller market share?


Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to
sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their


Apple produces it's own computers. Actually a branded PCs now.
what a problem?

the problem is that Apple works the same way as Commodore 20-15 years ago.

Trying to get prices as high as possible, instead of looking in future.

Exactly what apple do now - selling ordinary PC (just more stylish cases) 
2-3 times more expensive.


if Apple computers would be similarly prices or slightly higher, then 
they could really compete.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
a kick in the face.


Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you
often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?!


i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less.

helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (or 
think i know).


And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of "replacing" 
windows with unix without first learning unix from basics.


And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good 
thing. it is not.


unless FreeBSD will change to commercial product that will be sold, then 
yes - get as much users as possible.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> 
> >By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
> 
> and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.

It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me.  I don't
know why you're so down on it.


> 
> as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
> end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".

Replacing MS Windows is not the same as becoming MS Windows.  Ubuntu has
been pursuing the specter of MS Windows feature parity for a while, and
as a result has become something I have no interest in touching.
Meanwhile, PC-BSD has been pursuing the goal of *replacing* MS Windows,
which is not at all the same thing as *becoming* MS Windows, and it seems
to be doing a great job of that without adopting MS Windows' flaws.  The
only limitation on the quality of PC-BSD, in my experience, seems to be
KDE, but I've long since given up caring about the default GUI facade on
open source OSes, since they *all* use KDE or GNOME (except a rare few
that use XFCE by default, when they want something "light").

KDE and GNOME (and even XFCE) are frighteningly bloated user environments
that seem lightweight only in comparison with the even more awfully huge
and lumbering GUIs of MS Windows and Apple MacOS X -- so I just take it
as a given that every OS in the world uses something bloated and
cumbersome for its GUI, and resolve to either not install the GUI (if
that's an option) or uninstall the GUI after the system is installed,
then install something different in its place.  In other words, there's
basically no escaping the problems inherent in something like KDE, GNOME,
or even XFCE if you go with default GUI setup -- but aside from that,
PC-BSD is doing an excellent job of becoming the definitive MS Windows
replacement OS without adopting MS Windows problems.

. . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me.
I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop
every single day.

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Re: [OT] printing question

[David Kelly]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
> > Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the
> > need occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using
> > Mac OS X.  The Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's
> > not in the Linux printing database yet
> > (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).
> > 
> > Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the
> > Mac, will I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the
> > printer?  I only need printing functions (not scan, etc) for the
> > FreeBSD computer.
> 
> I'm not sure that apple uses a non-modified CUPS. It is conceivable
> that they have incorporated extra (not open) drivers that aren't in
> the standard distribution.

MacOS X will share a printer with Windows. I don't know how the driver
thing is negotiated. The Mac may happily accept Postscript and then do
whatever is needed to print.

> If you want to be safe, buy a printer that understands PostScript.
> That will work on FreeBSD (and all other UNIX variants).

Sounds like the OP is looking for color. If B&W is enough my favorite
inexpensive printer is the Brother HL-5250DN. Speaks Postscript-clone,
PCL-5 and PCL-6. Direct network connection so each computer speaks
directly to the printer. Duplex. About 25 ppm. Third party toner reloads
cost about $25 for 5,000 pages. The printer sells for $150 to $250
depending on sales and whether you can find a refurbished unit.

Years ago I had access to an HP 5000N that would print photo quality
matte (not glossy) B&W on plain paper. Not quite sure what it is about
the Brother (or printer drivers because this was pre-MacOS X) but I
enjoyed wonderful cheap B&W prints off the HP but the Brother isn't
nearly as good. Text and line graphics are excellent.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

Time to forget this.It is a semantic and religious battle
playing hair splitting games with words.It is not a MS clone
but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.


and you get something completely different. FORTUNATELY different.

but - if millions of now-windows users starts switching to FreeBSD, it 
will quickly become more and more similar. as linux did.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?


no. for me it's important that i confirmed this. that's why i'm far away 
from using linux anywhere.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should
define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD
with wine will probably be slower than under windows.


This is not as constant a truism as one might think.  I haven't run much
software in Wine, but what I have has performed comparably with how it
did on MS Windows, for the most part.  The one case where I could even


very possible. i'm even sure it could work better when good filesystem I/O 
and VM performance is required. but it may work slower in many cases.


i used wine to run demoscene prods - usually it works slower than in 
windows.



compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being
much better and faster.


Why the hell would I want "windows installers"?  The Microsoft model of


to be able to just put say - M$ Office or Corel Draw or whatever CD , 
click install and get installed

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:23:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and
> >stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows.
> 
> versus linux - of course, versus windows - it's different OS, we should 
> define how do you compare. for example running windows apps under FreeBSD 
> with wine will probably be slower than under windows.

This is not as constant a truism as one might think.  I haven't run much
software in Wine, but what I have has performed comparably with how it
did on MS Windows, for the most part.  The one case where I could even
detect a difference in performance was with World of Warcraft -- and it
performed much better under Wine than on MS Windows, even on the same
machine.


> 
> >Anyway, how about you plus Google cash, and others (?), putting a simple
> >easy partition of MS hard  disks and FreeBSD install with a nice GUI. And
> >getting Google to distribute it to the World. My question is, how much
> 
> once again i repeat - FreeBSD is not windows replacement. it's unix.
> All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will 
> say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.

Poppycock.  There are several "desktop environments" for Unix-like
systems that compare well with MS Windows and Apple MacOS X for matters
of glitz and glamour, even giving a far more confection-laden "user
friendly" appeal overall than the proprietary competition, as I've
pointed out before:

  http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=335

In fact, I seem to recall responding to *you* in particular about this
subject on this mailing list before:

  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-June/176889.html


> 
> it will be very nice if someone/some company produce true windows 
> compatible OS, running windows programs, windows installers, but being 
> much better and faster.

Why the hell would I want "windows installers"?  The Microsoft model of
software installation is antiquated, inefficient, restrictive, and
difficult to manage.  While I'm at it, I'd miss more of the software
available on FreeBSD if I switched to MS Windows than I do of MS Windows
software when I'm on FreeBSD.

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porting jdownloader to freebsd

[Tsu-Fan Cheng]

Hi,
   does anyone port Jdownloader (java app) to freebsd yet??

thanks!!

TFC
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Re: smbfs 2 GB file size limit

[David Horn]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Derek Ragona
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 12:23 AM 11/18/2008, David Horn wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Derek Ragona
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have FreeBSD 7.0 Release and if I mount_smbfs  a network NTFS share I
>> have
>> a 2 GB size limit on files.  I checked the handbook and list archives but
>> have not found a solution.
>
> I just ran a quick test, and was not able to reproduce this issue with
> the mount_smbfs from FreeBSD 7.0.  I tried against a Windows 2003
> Server SP2, Windows XP SP3, and Samba 3.0 {on FreeBSD 7} with a 3.5GB
> file.
>
> Was your issue with reading from or writing to a SMB share ?
>
> It was writing to a smb share.
>
>
> What is the server software and OS version ?
> (if Microsoft Windows, please include Service Pack number as well, as
> it might make a difference)
>
> Windows 2003 server 32bit.
>
> How much disk space is left on your server volume ?
>
> Over a terabyte free
>
> Are there disk quotas enabled on the server ?
>
> None
>
> What error message are you getting from your FreeBSD client (if any) ?
>
> No error message, it just stopped writing at 1 Gb.  I was doing this using
> scp.

Whoa, hopefully you just made a few typos here, or we are going down
the wrong path of investigation.

Did you really mean to say scp or cp ?
 scp(1)   - secure copy (remote file copy program)
 cp(1)- copy files

If you really meant scp, then the problem is not mount_smbfs, but
instead likely a buggy scp client or server (which does not use smb
for transport, but ssh)

What is the exact byte count that your write stops at ?  You
originally stated 2GB, then 1GB.

>
> Can you check the smb server logs and see if you are getting any error
> messages there ?
>
> Well I'm just mounting the volume to FreeBSD from the Windows server so not
> sure I'll find much in the logs besides the system log, but I will look.
>
> You may want to get a Wireshark trace and see if you can capture the
> SMB error message/error code.
>
> I have heard of people running into similar problems when running
> against older server software (NT 4.0/old samba) when the SMB session
> did not negotiate large file/large write support (a function of the
> SMB server capabilities session negotiation)
>
> I saw posts to that effect and that you needed samba 3.x to support large
> files sizes, and the lfs option.  But the mount_smbfs doesn't offer any
> large file option.
>

Only bother with this next bit if you are morbidly curious as to how
things work rather than just want to solve your problem, as it gets
into the nitty gritty details of smb:

mount_smbfs will allow for lfs (CAP_LARGE_FILE) automatically by
specifying it's dialect capabilities in the smb negotiation.

If you umount your smb share, then start a tcpdump you can capture the
smb negotiation "Capabilities" bitmask to see if CAP_LARGE_FILE is
being negotiated - the server specifies this capability.  The client
just sends the dialects of smb supported.For example:

tcpdump -vvv -s 1500 -i em0 host server.example.com | grep Capabilities

{  where em0 is the network interface in use on FreeBSD and
server.example.com is the hostname/ip address of your smb server  }

Then do a mount of the smb share (while tcpdump is running) and you
should capture the Capabilities negotiated.

For example:

Capabilities=0x1F3FD

If you decode the bitmask by using this reference :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302230.aspx {hint:  only
look at the last four bytes of the Capabilities line (e.g. F3FD in my
example)} Or if you have kernel source installed, you can look in
/usr/src/sys/netsmb/smb.h for the details.

   - Capabilities: 0x0001F3FD
  RawMode:(...1) Supports
SMB_COM_READ_RAW and SMB_COM_WRITE_RAW (CAP_RAW_MODE)
  MpxMode:(..0.) No
Support for SMB_COM_READ_MPX or SMB_COM_WRITE_MPX (CAP_MPX_MODE)
  Unicode:(.1..) Supports
Unicode Strings (CAP_UNICODE)
  LargeFiles: (1...) Supports
large files with 64-bit offsets (CAP_LARGE_FILES)
  NTSMBs: (...1) Supports
SMB NTLM 0.12 dialect commands (implies CAP_NT_FIND) (CAP_NT_SMBS)
  RPCRemoteAPIs:  (..1.) Supports
remote API requests using RPC over named pipe connections
(CAP_RPC_REMOTE_APIS)
  NTStatus:   (.1..) Can
respond with 32-bit NT status codes in Status (CAP_NT_STATUS)
  LevelIIOplocks: (1...) Supports
Level II oplocks ( CAP_LEVEL_II_OPLOCKS)
  LockAndRead:(...1) Supports
SMB_COM_LOCK_AND_READ and SMB_COM_WRITE_AND_UNLOCK (CAP_LOCK_AND_READ)
  NtFind: (..1.) Supports
Windows NT information level requests (SMB_QUE

Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51:07PM +0100, Mel wrote:
> 
> Not anymore. They were when it was still IBM. Some in-depth discussion here:
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2008-July/010831.html

Well, that's disappointing.

My current laptop is a Thinkpad R52, from just after the sale to Lenovo
but while production was still going on in IBM facilities here in the
States.  It's a great piece of equipment and, aside from the fact that I
made the mistake of getting the model with an ATI graphics adapter rather
than an Intel adapter, it has perfectly suited my needs.  I've been a
long-time fan of Thinkpads, and I haven't found another laptop I like
nearly as much.  Even the feel of the keyboard is better than that of any
other line of laptops I've encountered.

I wondered if there might be dropping production value issues when the PC
division of IBM was sold off to Lenovo.  I'm pretty disappointed to
discover that was probably the case.  Another R52 purchased for my
significant other, a year after acquiring this laptop, has seemed to be
exactly as good as this one, with one exception: while the keyboard feel
is still better than that of any non-Thinkpad I've ever encountered, it
feels just slightly more flimsy and cheap than this Thinkpad's keyboard.
I'm pretty sure that second R52 was manufactured in a Lenovo facility
that was *not* inherited from IBM, and I wonder if that might be why the
keyboard has that different feel.


> 
> And of course, there's:
> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html

I just spoke to a representative from iXsystems about the Invincibook.
It sound very promising.  My only complaint so far (having not had a
chance to check out how the keyboard feels, how heavy it is, how hot it
gets during operation, and so on) is that it's only planned to provide a
touchpad as an integrated pointing device.  One of the surprising
benefits of Thinkpads over the years has been the trackpoint, in part
because I don't have to break contact between my thumbs and the spacebar
when using the pointing device (I'm a Vim user), and in part because with
touchpads the heels of my hands occasionally brush across the thing
causing "interesting" problems with mouse pointer behavior while I'm
typing.  I'm also not too keen on the relative lack of mouse cursor
precision with a touchpad.

If it's all it promises to be, though, the Invincibook will probably be
worth the sacrifice of the trackpoint, especially considering the
apparent drop in production quality for Thinkpads.

In the conversation with the iXsystems representative, by the way, I was
told that the major holdup at the moment for Invincibooks going into
production is ACPI support -- of course.  I'm not terribly surprised,
since ACPI seems to *always* be the bugbear of laptop support.  I'm
pretty keen on the idea of finally having a laptop that can suspend to
RAM and, even more importantly for my purposes, to disk.  I'm willing to
wait until they get that part right, because "hibernation" is kind of a
"killer feature" for me -- or would be, if someone would finally get it
right.  I suppose one could say that it works just fine on my Thinkpad,
with the caveat that it fails to come back from suspension to either RAM
or disk, but that kinda defeats the purpose.

Anyway . . . I started out with my two cents on the matter, and ended up
rambling about a bunch of tangential nonsense.  I think that means it's
time to close up this email.

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Re: [OT] printing question

[Roland Smith]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49:44AM -0600, Andrew Gould wrote:
> Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need
> occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X.  The
> Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux
> printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).
> 
> Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will
> I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer?  I only need
> printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer.

I'm not sure that apple uses a non-modified CUPS. It is conceivable that
they have incorporated extra (not open) drivers that aren't in the
standard distribution.

If you want to be safe, buy a printer that understands PostScript. That
will work on FreeBSD (and all other UNIX variants).

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RE: FreeBSD Media Center

[Gary Hartl]

-Original Message-
From: michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: November-18-08 11:30 AM
To: Gary Hartl
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Media Center



Gary Hartl wrote:
> Hi all;
>
>  
>
> I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig
hdd.
>
>  
>
> I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
> something like that feeding to my tv.
>
>  
>
> Anyone with any feedback on this.
>
>  
>
> Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?
>
>  
>
> Thanks 
>
>  
>
> Gary
>   
It will run. I'd put a bit more ram in, especially if the video card is 
lacking. I assume it has svideo out? or are you feeding with vga out?

Yeah i'm going to be bumping it to 512mb which is the laptop max, I will be
running vga out coupling to dvi on the tv.
With a y audio cable from the sound card.



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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Dan]

Jerry McAllister([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 11:49:47 -0500:
> I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few 
> years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance

Oh well, that was a few years ago...

Even So, a few years ago Felix von Leitner did webserving benchmarks for
both. Linux won, but FreeBSD was very close behind.

http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[en0f]

Guys,

stephen jackson wrote:
> I have read briefly on FreeBSD and it seems to be the winner on speed and
> stability versus Linux and of course MS Windows.

[ ... ]

Can we play cool with each other? If someone likes/has to use Gnu/Linux over 
FreeBSD or for that matter
any other operating system, maybe its their choice;

If someone finds FreeBSD runs well compared to Gnu/Linux, could they just point 
to the right benchmark on the web or
post their personal benchmark here and be done with it? :)

My point being that we could all be doing something really productive right now 
instead of discussing
about all these. Don't you guys think so?

Relax fellas.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Andrew Gould]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0500, Dan wrote:
>
> > Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 16:51:16
> +0100:
> > >>
> > >> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
> > >> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
> > >
> > > for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in
> parallel
> > > linux can even be better.
> > >
> > > but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD
> > > flies, while linux chokes.
> >
> > Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?
> >
>
> I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few
> years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance
> systems for purchase here, we found this to often be the case.
> Some systems just screamed on certain very parallel tasks, but
> practically came to a halt when a mix of tasks were run or even
> when trying to edit a script while things were running.   Others
> were slightly less hot on the highly specialized tasks, but did
> well - much better - on the mix.  We chose the system that handled
> the mix - which ran a BSD UNIX by the way, although a proprietary
> version as did most back then.
>
> Anyway, so, even though I haven't compared FreeBSD and Linux, I am
> not surprised to hear someone say there is this sort of difference.
> It is possible.   Someone might investigate further and put out
> some verifiable numbers.
>
> jerry
>

I don't have verifiable numbers; but I can speak from personal experience.
I do complex financial/clinical data analysis for hospitals.  I was using MS
Access as a front-end.  On the server end, I started with Linux and
PostgreSQL.  I moved from Linux to FreeBSD because during my more
complicated series of queries, the Linux system would slow to a crawl.
Sometimes, the PostgreSQL server would die.  This never happened with
FreeBSD.  I even added Samba services and a web forum for the department.

>From 2000 to 2006, the only unplanned downtime experienced with my
PostgreSQL/FreeBSD combo was due to 2 separate, prolonged power outages.
When power was restored, the hardware and database servers came back
online.  Sadly, I no longer work there; and no longer have control over
database assets.

I read once that:  "The difference between the lab and the real world is
that, in the lab, there is no difference."  I wish I had noted the source.

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:48AM -0500, Dan wrote:

> Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 16:51:16 +0100:
> >>
> >> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
> >> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
> >
> > for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel  
> > linux can even be better.
> >
> > but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD  
> > flies, while linux chokes.
> 
> Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?
> 

I can't point this out between Linux and FreeBSD, but back a few 
years ago, when I was involved in benchmarking high performance
systems for purchase here, we found this to often be the case.
Some systems just screamed on certain very parallel tasks, but
practically came to a halt when a mix of tasks were run or even
when trying to edit a script while things were running.   Others
were slightly less hot on the highly specialized tasks, but did
well - much better - on the mix.  We chose the system that handled
the mix - which ran a BSD UNIX by the way, although a proprietary
version as did most back then.

Anyway, so, even though I haven't compared FreeBSD and Linux, I am
not surprised to hear someone say there is this sort of difference.
It is possible.   Someone might investigate further and put out
some verifiable numbers.

jerry


> >
> > that's why i don't like benchmarks.
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[OT] printing question

[Andrew Gould]

Time to buy a new printer.  I don't print much from FreeBSD; but the need
occasionally arises.  Most of my printing is done while using Mac OS X.  The
Epson Artisan 800 is looking awfully nice; but it's not in the Linux
printing database yet (http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi).

Question:  Since Mac OS X uses CUPS, if I share the printer on the Mac, will
I need to worry about FreeBSD compatibility of the printer?  I only need
printing functions (not scan, etc) for the FreeBSD computer.

Thanks,

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >>All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
> >>say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.
> >
> >I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,
> 
> i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI.
> 
> it's poor mans windows.

So, we are not respopnding to someone looking for Windos, but to
someone looking for something else.GUI was not even mentioned
in the OP.If the guy tries FreeBSD and finds its GUI resources
not to his liking he can easily continue looking around.  He asked
for information about FreeBSD, not about finding a MS-Win look-alike.

jerry

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:49:40PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >
> >This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
> >very powerful.
> 
> as KDE and Gnome and others.
> 
> 
> >when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
> >read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
> >although they have a much smaller market share.
> 
> so why it have a much smaller market share?

Because MS wrote restrictive contracts with companies trying to
sell PCs saying that if they wanted to put MS on any of their
machines, they had to put it on all of them.   So, immediately
every single PC that was sold ran some MS.   Most people went
with the flow.  It was an easier business decision than trying
to buck that current.   This action should be considered totally
illegal in the USA and probably many other countries.  It is 
restraint of trade and forming a monopoly.   Kodak lost a big
case with similar ramifications many decades ago when they were
refusing to sell film without including processing.  But, the law 
cases against MS tended to be centered around including stuff 
like IE in the OS and making it difficult to switch to Netscape
or other browsers.   Forcing the OS on everyone seemed to fall off
after the "settlement" (more like winding down) of those cases and 
now some PC sellers who still sell XP or Vista will sell you a 
machine with something else or even nothing.   But, the damage is
done.   People/businesses have put a lot in to MS-Win, not only
buying it and hiring large support forces to get it to work, but
also in staff training and acquiring other products to function
with it.

There are plenty of people who are happy to just stick with MS and
not think about it any more - just like businesses stuck with IBM
and never listened to any other vendor back in their glory days.
They will not be the ones who go to the trouble to read enough
about FreeBSD to find this Email list and post questions about it.

When someone goes looking for something OTHER than MS, then they 
are out of that MS fold and are searching for something better, not
just for MS by another name.  FreeBSD IS better.   Some portion of
those will look at it and decide to forget it.  So what!?  That is 
their problem.   But, it is completely non-helpful to keep chanting 
the 'it ain't MS' mantra in the face of people who are looking to 
get away from MS.   That is really 'DIS-ing' then to use a fad
term that has fallen out of popularity.

It is reasonable to caution people that FreeBSD and other UNIXen
have a fairly steep learning curve.   But, that is not an
inpenetrable impediment.   It is just part of the job of moving
to something better.   Anyone serious about finding a good
alternative will take on that challenge willingly.   

It is not reasonable to continue to throw up unnecesary barriers
to people moving to improve themselves.

jerry


> 
> >Anyhow, of course you
> >can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
> >desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
> >requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
> >saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
> >Leave that to MS. ;-)
> 
> after being one of sponsors of "easy" linux distributions and desktop 
> environment (RedHat), microsoft now can say the truth that it's crap.
> 
> >
> >Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
> 
> you don't have to tell me this. as all unix "desktop environments" are.
> because this style of computing is limited by general.
> 
> 
> In technical university nearest me there was (or is) a guy that when 
> teaching students unix he said:
> 
> ---
> Don't use windows. Not because it crashes, not because it's buggy and not 
> because it's damn slow. But because it learns bad habits, that are then 
> almost impossible to get rid of.
> 
> 
> For me the best sentence about it.
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Re: FreeBSD Media Center

[Manolis Kiagias]

Gary Hartl wrote:
> Hi all;
>
>  
>
> I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.
>
>  
>
> I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
> something like that feeding to my tv.
>
>  
>
> Anyone with any feedback on this.
>   


I believe it will work in this respect, though it will probably be
unable to run high bit rate movies.  It should play the average DivX
though.
I would go with a minimal X environment and mplayer (the command line
version) which I feel is the best in decoding media files (vlc is also a
good choice).

>  
>
> Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?
>
>  
>
> Thanks 
>
>  
>
> Gary
>   

Well, mythtv is in the ports tree,  and is the first that comes to mind.
I've never used it myself and as I understand it is going to be kind of
an overkill for this machine of yours.
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FreeBSD Media Center

[Gary Hartl]

Hi all;

 

I have an old laptop (Dell Inspiron 7500), P3 550mhz, 256mb ram 20 gig hdd.

 

I am wondering what the validity of putting FBSD on it running VLC or
something like that feeding to my tv.

 

Anyone with any feedback on this.

 

Or is there a FBSD Media Center project out either in alpha or beta?

 

Thanks 

 

Gary

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Zbigniew Szalbot]

Hi,

> but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
> FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.   It will do everything you need
> except look like MS-Win and people who are trying to get out of MS-land
> are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
> a kick in the face.

Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you
often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?!

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Jerry McAllister]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >>usage or need.
> >
> >You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here
> 
> is someone that simply use unix an expert?
> 
> no.
> 
> 
> >By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
> 
> and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.

Time to forget this.It is a semantic and religious battle
playing hair splitting games with words.It is not a MS clone
but it is an MS replacement.   If you overwrite your MS-Win with
FreeBSD, it completely replaces it.   It will do everything you need
except look like MS-Win and people who are trying to get out of MS-land
are happy to find that to be true.Give them a hand rather than
a kick in the face.

jerry


> 
> as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
> end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".
> 
> not a nice future for FreeBSD IMHO.
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Re: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Nov 18), Vijayalakshmi BN said:
> I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5. I'm facing
> issues with respect to memory misalignment. I'm getting SIGBUS
> errors. Through various websites, I found that xmemalign can be used
> while compiling to handle memory alignment issues. Bu the version I'm
> using doesn't support xmemalign option. Even gcc version 3.4.3
> doesn't support. It says: gcc: language memalign=1i not recognized
> Can you let me know which version of gcc supports xmemalign option on
> solaris? Also where can I download the gcc version from?

-xmemalign=ab is a Sun Studio compiler flag, not a GCC flag.  If you
don't already have it, you can download it free from
http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/ .  If for some reason you must use
a GCC frontend, you can try GCC for Sparc Systems (
http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/ ), which supports all the regular
GCC flags plus many Sun Studio ones, including xmemalign:

http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc/flags.html

But as Mel said, this has nothing to do with FreeBSD, so this post
doesn't exist.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Ruben de Groot]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:16:37PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar typed:
> >>All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
> >>say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.
> >
> >I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,
> 
> i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI.

And you fail miserably at noticing a single opinion of any unix user here who
works happily in a (mostly) GUI environment.
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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

[Wojciech Puchar]

D-LINK DWL-G630

Trendnet TEW-421PC

D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...

Linksys WPC54G

Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster

Trendnet TEW-441PC

ask about chipset they use and then look at FreeBSD site for hardware 
compatibility. FreeBSD supports a lot of wireless cards.


sometimes even more works using driver converter (ndisgen) that converts 
windows XP drivers. But performance may (will) be lower.



Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-)


what it is? FreeBSD supports most (but not all) network cards
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Dan]

Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 16:51:16 +0100:
>>
>> Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
>> hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
>
> for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel  
> linux can even be better.
>
> but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD  
> flies, while linux chokes.

Can you point out some places on the web that confirm this?

>
> that's why i don't like benchmarks.
>
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Re: Wifi Card for laptop

[Dan]

Albert Shih([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 15:55:35 +0100:
> 
>   Netgear WPN511 RangeMax
>   
>   Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi 
>   
>   D-LINK DWA-610
>   
>   D-LINK DWL-G630
>   
>   Trendnet TEW-421PC
>   
>   D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...
>   
>   Linksys WPC54G
>   
>   Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster
>   
>   Trendnet TEW-441PC


The Ralink chipset is well supported, and they are cheap cards. I have
this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315047

It works well even in host-ap mode, good reception. Did I mention
cheap??
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in


for benchmarks doing same thing over and over, or same thing in parallel 
linux can even be better.


but try running many different tasks in parallel under linux. FreeBSD 
flies, while linux chokes.


that's why i don't like benchmarks.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

I am one of the few UNIX administrators who prefers to use Windows (XP
or 2K; cannot stand Vista) as a desktop/workstation operating system.


if you need really windows-like computing/desktop-environments/whatever is 
called they RIGHT - windows is most windows like and it's good choice.



bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot.  I'm not going


so you made the right decision.
but i think you use your windows through some NAT equipment/server when 
logging to your unix servers, or your passwords will quickly be 
compromissed ;)




Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows --


i don't like any of them, because i can't concentrate on the actual 
work with them. but not "hate". hate in that context is nonsense.



The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities


windows CMD is a joke. simply.

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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Dan]

Wojciech Puchar([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.18 12:23:24 +0100:
> FreeBSD is very good in hardware support now, with most of drivers being  
> very stable and high performance.
>
> for now there is no such thing, except ReactOS which is in early alpha  
> state.

Have you used, erm... Linux? Both Linux and FreeBSD run pretty much at
hardware level. You benchmark either, you'll get very close results in
speed and scalability. Both are well optimized.

Unix is for servers, Windoze/OSX is for clients. They're much better
clients than Unix. Cut and paste still doesn't work well in Unix GUIs.
Think about that.

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OMSA Live CD, DSET and FreeBSD based Dell 2950 Server?

[VeeJay]

Hello there,

To diagnose and solve a Disk Encluser issue, I am advised to run two
tools

1. Run OMSA live CD on the Server? Since, OMSA Live CD is linux based, I am
just wondering if it will work or not?
2. Run Dell's DSET Tool, which is also for Linux systems

And seeking your comments in this regards:


*Server Configuration with FreeBSD 7.0*
**
*2 x PE2950 III Quad Core Xeon E5450 3.0GHz,2x6MB,1333FSB
*Riser with PCI Express Support (2x PCIe x8 slots; 1x PCIe x4 slot)
PE2950 English rack power cord
PE2950 Bezel Assembly
*16GB (8x2GB Dual Rank DIMMs) 667MHz FBD
6 x 450GB SAS 15k 3.5" HD Hot Plug*
PE2950 III - Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane
*PERC 6/i, Integrated Controller Card x6 backplane
*CD/DVD Drive Cable
8X DVD-ROM Drive IDE
PE2950 III Redundant Power Supply No Power Cord
Rack Power Distribution Unit Power Cord
TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P
Broadcom TCP/IP Offload Engine functionality (TOE) Not Enabled
Drac 5 Card
*PE2950 III C5 MSS R10 Add-in PERC 5/i / 6/i
*

-- 
Thanks!

BR / vj
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Ath vs Netgear wg311t stuck beacon error

[Mark Busby]

I am having trouble getting a Netgear WG311t card to work, I had tried 7.1beta 
but kept getting irq interrupt storm no matter what slot or irq was set to the 
slot/card. Installed 6.3, stuck beacon error. I have tried  a, b, and g mode. I 
have tested the card with other "os's" to see if was hardware.

ifconfig ath0 up
ifconfig ath0 inet 10.10.1.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssid myap media 11g 
mediaopt hostap

from /var/log/messages
Nov 17 21:21:07 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:21:25 wall last message repeated 30 times
Nov 17 21:21:25 wall syslogd: exiting on signal 15
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall last message repeated 2 times
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process 
`vnlru' to stop...done
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process 
`bufdaemon' to stop...ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: done
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process 
`syncer' to stop...ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmi
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel:
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: Syncing disks, vnodes remaining...1 ath0: stuck 
beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 1 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 0 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: 0 ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)
Nov 17 21:22:18 wall kernel: ath0: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 4)

wall# vmstat -i
interrupt  total   rate
irq1: atkbd0  94  0
irq15: ata1   47  0
irq17: ath0   228298 33
irq20: atapci0  4678  0
irq23: vr0  2338  0
cpu0: timer 13615967   1999
Total   13851422   2034


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TP-Link (TL-WN551G)'
class  = network
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class  = network
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Andrew Gould]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Wojciech Puchar <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>> This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
>> very powerful.
>>
>
> as KDE and Gnome and others.
>

GUI's (and operating systems) should be evaluated by user type.  For many,
the command line is limiting.  For others, it is limitless.


>
>
>
>  when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
>> read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
>> although they have a much smaller market share.
>>
>
> so why it have a much smaller market share?
>

This is a big question that goes down many roads, including monopolistic
practices, effective marketing and the fact that Apple controls both their
OS and hardware, which made it less competitive for many years.  "Better"
does not always mean success in the marketplace. One of the best examples of
this is OS/2.  When I first started learning about Linux (FreeBSD came
later), I read many messages from older IT veterans that if OS/2 had
succeeded, they would have no need for Linux.


Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Jeremy Chadwick]

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 03:40:09PM +0100, Manfred Usselmann wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET)
> Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >> usage or need.
> > >
> > > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be
> > > here
> > 
> > is someone that simply use unix an expert?
> > 
> > no.
> > 
> > 
> > > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
> > 
> > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix
> > replacement.
> > 
> > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both
> > low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".
> 
> This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
> very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was
> really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was
> when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
> read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
> although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you
> can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
> desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
> requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
> saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
> Leave that to MS. ;-)
> 
> Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
> not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna)
> in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL.
> 
> The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it.

I am one of the few UNIX administrators who prefers to use Windows (XP
or 2K; cannot stand Vista) as a desktop/workstation operating system.
If we really want to talk about all the reasons why I abhor X, we can
discuss them some other time, because ultimately they don't (and
shouldn't) matter.  Why?  Because each person should conclude what works
best for them, depending upon whatever their needs are.

I have a lot of reasons for loathing X.  A *lot*.  I've spent a lot of
time (and even money; anyone remember AccelX back in the 90s?  Yep, I
bought it) trying to adapt over the years, and I cannot.  I'm not going
to provide details because it'll just induce more parking lot burn-outs
and that's not what I want.

Comparatively: I have co-workers who love X and KDE, and hate Windows --
and I have co-workers who absolutely love OS X's GUI, and hate X and
Windows.  (In fact, the few OS X users I know get quite irate when they
find some OS X program actually relies on X11).

The only time I curse Windows is when CMD.EXE or command-line utilities
come into play.  Anyone who's used *IX will know what I mean by this.
PowerShell/Monad is a joke, Cygwin is an atrocity, 4NT/4DOS is too
quirky, and *IX application ports often have too many bugs (either not
handling NTFS filenames correctly (resorting to 8.3 format), or having
filesize limitations due to the porter doing it wrong; 2GB limits are
found in common programs including Win32 wget).

Every operating system/GUI/environment has its share of quirks.  It just
depends on which ones you can tolerate.  I can tolerate some of Windows'
quirks (sans "focus stealing", although I'm told KDE applicationg are
starting down this road too), but cannot with X or OS X.  I suppose it's
because I've a mental stigma; I associate *IX and UNIX with servers, and
I likely always will.  *IX/UNIX on the desktop is a crazy idea to me.

That's all I have to say on the matter; I won't reply here on out.

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| Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking   http://www.parodius.com/ |
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Re: shrink ntfs

[Albert Shih]

 Le 18/11/2008 à 01:39:48+0100, Albert Shih a écrit
> Hi all,
> 
> Newbie question from a not newbie (well I think ;-) )
> 
> I've install many FreeBSD, but I always use the all disk.
> 
> If I've a laptop come with winxp  ? How can I shrink the
> WinNT partition ? Can the FreeBSD install CD do that ? 
> 
> If he can't what's your advice for some software to do that ? 
> 

Thanks for your help. 

gparted work fine.

Regards.

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Wifi Card for laptop

[Albert Shih]

Hi all

I would like to buy a PCMCIA card for my new laptop (because FreeBSD do not
recognise my internal wifi AND RJ45 ethernet cardsh** windows say it's
Broadcom netXtreme 57xx gigabit ).

So I just want to known what 802.11G card I can buy without drivers
problem.

My local dealer have those card :

Netgear WPN511 RangeMax

Netgear WG511 | PCMCIA WiFi 

D-LINK DWA-610

D-LINK DWL-G630

Trendnet TEW-421PC

D-LINK DWA-645 RangeBooster N65 ...

Linksys WPC54G

Linksys WPC54GS Speedbooster

Trendnet TEW-441PC

Or maybe you can help me to make my internet RJ45 card working ;-)


Regards.

JAS
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
very powerful.


as KDE and Gnome and others.



when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
although they have a much smaller market share.


so why it have a much smaller market share?



Anyhow, of course you
can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
Leave that to MS. ;-)


after being one of sponsors of "easy" linux distributions and desktop 
environment (RedHat), microsoft now can say the truth that it's crap.




Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is


you don't have to tell me this. as all unix "desktop environments" are.
because this style of computing is limited by general.


In technical university nearest me there was (or is) a guy that when 
teaching students unix he said:


---
Don't use windows. Not because it crashes, not because it's buggy and not 
because it's damn slow. But because it learns bad habits, that are then 
almost impossible to get rid of.



For me the best sentence about it.
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Re: large binary, why not strip ?

[Paul B. Mahol]

On 11/17/08, Masoom Shaikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:56:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> >
>> > >most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on
>> > > disk
>> > >
>> > >stripping em all reduces their size dramatically
>> > >
>> > >I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ?
>> >
>> > me too
>> > >
>> > >do I miss anything ?
>> >
>> > no.
>>
>> I am confused why both of you are seeing "most" of the programs
>> installed this way.  Can you confirm that this is true and not just an
>> exaggeration?
>>
>> As Matthew says, there are some ports that fail to strip their
>> binaries because of how they install files (using cp etc).  These are
>> bugs that should be reported to their maintainers on a case by case
>> basis.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>> --
>> In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate.
>>-- Charles Forsythe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
> Before sending mail I manually stripped * in /usr/local/bin

And what about /usr/local/lib/** ?

>
> else I cud send u the o/p of `ls -lhS`
>
> yes, "most" is bit exaggerated...I perhaps was talking about first five
>
> binaries listed in increasing order of size...
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Manfred Usselmann]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:18:13 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> usage or need.
> >
> > You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be
> > here
> 
> is someone that simply use unix an expert?
> 
> no.
> 
> 
> > By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are
> 
> and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix
> replacement.
> 
> as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both
> low end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".

This is nonsense. The Windows interface itself is quite limited and not
very powerful. Compared e.g. with the old OS/2 desktop, which was
really powerful, flexible (and object oriented). How disappointed I was
when Win/95 came out being an OS/2 user at that time. From what I have
read even the user interface of Mac OS X is much better that Windows
although they have a much smaller market share. Anyhow, of course you
can fully replace Windows with a unix(-like) system and a suitable
desktop enviroment (e.g. KDE, Gnome, XFCE). It depends on your specific
requirements and if applications exist which do what you need. But
saying that GUI's under Unix are per se inferior is just spreading FUD.
Leave that to MS. ;-)

Just a small example, how limited Windows really is: Even today it is
not possible to configure the standard interface of Windows XP (Luna)
in any other color than blue, olive green and silver. LOL.

The only advantage Windows has is that many people are used to it.

-- 
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Re: pkg_delete core dump

[Tsu-Fan Cheng]

it works!! thanks Mel.


TFC

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Mel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 November 2008 13:37:11 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
>> Hi Mel,
>>the link to download the +CONTENTS file is here
>> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YDKFRCZG, and you know what? I don't have
>> +REQUIRED_BY file.  thanks!!
>>
>> there is a empty entry in the +CONTENTS file:
>>
>> [snip]
>> @pkgdep linux-scim-libs-1.4.4
>> @comment DEPORIGIN:textproc/linux-scim-libs
>> @pkgdep
>> @comment $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroread8/pkg-plist,v 1.2 2008/04/13
>> 18:36:28 hrs Exp $
>
> That's definetely the cause of the crash. The patch below should guard against
> pkg_delete crashing.
> How this line got created in the first place, is very weird.
>
> I would run:
> grep -E '^@(pkgdep|name)[[:space:]]*$' /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS
>
> Which would show all dependency lines and name directives that are empty.
> Maybe there's a common factor. For the moment my money is on linux-nvu as
> that would be the dependency that belongs at the empty spot:
> # make -C /usr/ports/print/acroread8 actual-package-depends | sort -u -t : -k
> 2
> linux-atk-1.9.1:accessibility/linux-atk
> linux-glib2-2.6.6_1:devel/linux-glib2
> linux_base-fc-4_13:emulators/linux_base-fc4
> linux-cairo-1.0.2:graphics/linux-cairo
> linux-jpeg-6b.34:graphics/linux-jpeg
> linux-png-1.2.8_2:graphics/linux-png
> linux-tiff-3.7.1:graphics/linux-tiff
> hicolor-icon-theme-0.10_2:misc/hicolor-icon-theme
> acroreadwrapper-0.0.20080906:print/acroreadwrapper
> linux-expat-1.95.8:textproc/linux-expat
> linux-scim-libs-1.4.4:textproc/linux-scim-libs
> linux-nvu-1.0:www/linux-nvu
> linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7:x11-fonts/linux-fontconfig
> linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_1:x11-themes/linux-hicolor-icon-theme
> linux-gtk2-2.6.10:x11-toolkits/linux-gtk2
> linux-pango-1.10.2:x11-toolkits/linux-pango
> linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5:x11/linux-xorg-libs
>
>
> --
> Mel
>
>
> Index: plist.c
> ===
> RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/plist.c,v
> retrieving revision 1.52
> diff -u -r1.52 plist.c
> --- plist.c 28 Mar 2007 05:33:52 -  1.52
> +++ plist.c 18 Nov 2008 12:51:02 -
> @@ -31,6 +31,11 @@
>  {
> PackingList tmp;
>
> +if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' )
> +{
> +   warnx("Invalid packing list line ignored");
> +   return;
> +}
> tmp = new_plist_entry();
> tmp->name = copy_string(arg);
> tmp->type = type;
> @@ -61,6 +66,11 @@
>  {
> PackingList tmp;
>
> +if( arg == NULL || arg[0] == '\0' )
> +{
> +   warnx("Invalid packing list line ignored");
> +   return;
> +}
> tmp = new_plist_entry();
> tmp->name = copy_string(arg);
> tmp->type = type;
>
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Re: Help needed: Which gcc version supports xmemalign

[Mel]

On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:40:08 Vijayalakshmi BN wrote:

> I'm working on Solaris 9 and using gcc version 2.9.5.

I can't for the life of me see any reason how this would be related to 
FreeBSD. Running FreeBSD 4 (gcc 2.x) on Sun hardware, maybe, but that doesn't 
seem to be the case.
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Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
and never get to the software part.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

usage or need.


You seem to be reserving FBSD only for the experts. I wouldn't be here


is someone that simply use unix an expert?

no.



By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are


and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement.

as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low 
end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor".


not a nice future for FreeBSD IMHO.
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Re: FreeBSD and hardware??

[Wojciech Puchar]

All "nice GUI" for unices turned to be bad idea, every windows user will
say it's poor compared to windows. and they are right.


I totally disagree. Please note that your *opinion* doesn't become truth,


i exactly repeat opinion of LOTS of windoze users that tried any unix GUI.

it's poor mans windows.
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