Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
dumb software and hardware. You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source? don't generalize everything. There are good software, bad software, closed source software, open source software. There are great open source software and complete trash open source software. now market is completely filled with personal computers and laptops, now people want to get "smart"phones, "tablets", whatever where microsoft already lost. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > > Hi. > > I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It > is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. > When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on > > CD Loader 1.2 > ... > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS CD is cd0 > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I > insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with > installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And > stuck on the same place, after > ... > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any > additional information which may be helpful. > > Thanx. > This has been reported for FreeBSD and PC-BSD for quite some time. The booting sequence always looks like this: ... BIOS drive A: is disk0 < last message seen BIOS drive B: is disk1 < or this ... Based on Google search results: - solved by disabling SATA in BIOS - combination of IDE (ATA) and SATA disks caused a problem, disconnecting either one solved it; it could also mean a problem with hd device driver - old/buggy firmware; BIOS update solved the problem - disable ACPI, or Firewire, or USB emulation, or ... in BIOS :-) - "A wild guess could be that there's something on the RAID volume that's keeping the boot loader from working. Maybe the partition table is wrong in a subtle way? If you can get the RAID array to work *after* you boot from a FreeBSD installation CD (i.e. boot the machine without the drives, add drives later), try clearing the first megabyte of the array (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdrive bs=1m count=1)." - "With my rocketraid somethingsomething PCI-SATA2 card with disks connected crashes the BTX loader. Connecting the disks to the internal via epia motherboard solved the problem ... I have a feeling that it might be some combinations of BTX, BIOS and RAID firmware that causes these crashes." - CC'ing John Baldwin on this, as he has knowledge of BTX's internals. For those of you who are adventurous: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sys/boot/i386/loader/ jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
Hi, On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different > environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of yes. > software created infringes several patents, and the only question that > remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close The best tool against any patents is prior art. The open source scene misses a very simple platform. Even FreeBSD could offer an extra list named 'prior-art' on which people can publish their ideas. The moment the server starts distributing the e-mail, nobody can claim a patent anywhere in the world for the idea mentioned. > scrutiny. The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding > behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will > be found in favor of the party with the greater resources. Not true for cases of prior art. > > This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the > world of software development. Even a frivolous patent that would There is no difference for an engineer who works in other fields. > not hold up through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by > bankrupting a defendant before the case is concluded. That party must have a real dumb patent attorney then. > > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its > grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, > though, it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, > projects, and businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as > the FreeBSD project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing > down. > It is all in the people's mind. > (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et > cetera.) > This is an example of the real problem. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, > having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will > probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses, > and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any > FreeBSD users before things come crashing down. Right! Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there be some lurking out there) will have expired by then. Unless Congress pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending them just as they did with Copyright. But as usual with Congress, I wouldn't hold my breath: they aren't exactly known for enacting reasonable and sensible laws. Especially not when heavily lobbied by mega corps with deep pockets like MSFT, Oracle, Apple and so on. Yes, things will get really nasty once those corporations go the way of the SCO. > (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et cetera.) > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > true. Microsoft know it is falling. > > People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more > dumb software and hardware. You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, true. Microsoft know it is falling. People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more dumb software and hardware. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote: > > > >even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in > >port tree and require user to accept it. > > Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and > run whatever they want on a base operating system, but as long as the > base operating system (FreeBSD in our case) remains "legally > un-encumbered" with patented code, nobody really cares. If individual > users decide they want to compile and run copyrighted software on > FreeBSD (or linux) it will be a matter between M$ and the particular > user in question, not the community providing the base OS and user > space tools. > > The SCO-IBM debacle some years ago triggered a huge review of open > source copyrights in the linux (and *bsd) community. SCO failed to get > anything back then, and it's hard to imagine how M$ will get anything > now that there's broader awareness in "the community" around software > patent infringement. Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of software created infringes several patents, and the only question that remains is whether those patents would hold up in court under close scrutiny. The greater the disparity in legal expertise and funding behind the two parties, the greater the likelihood that the case will be found in favor of the party with the greater resources. This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world of software development. Even a frivolous patent that would not hold up through completion of litigation may serve its purpose by bankrupting a defendant before the case is concluded. It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave, having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses, and I just hope it doesn't get as far as the FreeBSD project or any FreeBSD users before things come crashing down. (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Et cetera.) -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
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Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
Wojciech Puchar wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> writes: > ... > I suggest you to prepare bootable media with just /boot directory that can > boot, and put > > vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:yourrootpartition" > > in loader.conf I have already suggested that in the post above. jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > So far I have system with GPT partitioning scheme. To exclude this > layer, I've reinstall system with MBR scheme, but loader(8) stuck in > the same place. > > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 > Consoles: internal video/keyboard > BIOS drive A: is disk0 How about setting this (based on /boot/defaults/loader.conf) in file /boot/loader.conf: verbose_loading="YES"# Set to YES for verbose loader output For the sake of debugging, I assume you do not have any of these: loader_conf_files="/boot/device.hints /boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.conf.local" as it seems to be a new installation. Are you getting more debugging output ? jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 all suggestions before seems like not reading your problem description. third stage boot loader fails. at that stage it still uses BIOS calls to access disks. Your controller's firmware do something wrong, or FreeBSD bootloader do something wrong. I suggest you to prepare bootable media with just /boot directory that can boot, and put vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:yourrootpartition" in loader.conf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Problem with sendmail update
Hi, Hope someone can help. we're stuck trying to update Sendmail from 8.14.3 to 8.14.5 We've made & installed 8.14.5 and both the new and old versions seem to be installed and running according to PS. Whatever is starting sendmail is initiating the old version. How can we remove the 8.14.3 version or get the 8.14.5 version to run? Our PCI compliance is failing due to issues with the old version. Help much appreciated, Thanks Mervyn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
2012/8/2 jb : > Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > >> ... >> As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel >> booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do >> something. But what exactly?) >> >> I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), >> by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) >> >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT >> Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader >> boot:/boot/kernel/kernel > > OK. So it looks like you have succeeded with stage 1 and 2. > At this point the boot slice is known - the boot process knows where to find > defaults. > After that stage 3 should be auto-executed, but it does not. It is auto-executed, but stuck. So far I have system with GPT partitioning scheme. To exclude this layer, I've reinstall system with MBR scheme, but loader(8) stuck in the same place. BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 > > At this point check if you have /boot.config by chance. This file, if exists, > may contain options modifying stages of the boot process, in this case > the transition from stage 2 to 3 is of interest. > Check it out and, if applies, read BOOT.CONFIG(5) and its examples. > > jb > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- S.Listopad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel > booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do > something. But what exactly?) > > I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), > by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader > boot:/boot/kernel/kernel OK. So it looks like you have succeeded with stage 1 and 2. At this point the boot slice is known - the boot process knows where to find defaults. After that stage 3 should be auto-executed, but it does not. At this point check if you have /boot.config by chance. This file, if exists, may contain options modifying stages of the boot process, in this case the transition from stage 2 to 3 is of interest. Check it out and, if applies, read BOOT.CONFIG(5) and its examples. jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: buggy awk regex handling?
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012, RW wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200 kaltheat wrote: I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the following: match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in input $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' AbC As you can see the result was unexpected. When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works: $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,"cBa"); print;}' cBa ... What am I doing wrong? Or is awk buggy? Traditional awk implementations don't support {n}, but I think POSIX implementations should. Using gawk instead of awk agrees with that. Printing the result of the sub (the number of substitutions performed) makes it a little more clear: % echo AbC | awk '{print sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' 0 AbC % echo AbC | gawk '{print sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' 1 cBa sed can handle it: % echo AbC | sed -E 's/[[:alpha:]]{3}/cBa/' cBa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: buggy awk regex handling?
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:20:52 +0200 kaltheat wrote: > > > Hi, > > I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the > sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the > following: > > match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in > input > > $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' > AbC > > As you can see the result was unexpected. > When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works: > > $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,"cBa"); print;}' > cBa > ... > What am I doing wrong? > Or is awk buggy? Traditional awk implementations don't support {n}, but I think POSIX implementations should. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
buggy awk regex handling?
Hi, I tried to replace three letters with three letters by awk using the sub-routine. I assumed that my regular expression does mean the following: match if three letters of any letter of alphabet occurs anywhere in input $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' AbC As you can see the result was unexpected. When I try doing it for at least one letter, it works: $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[[:alpha:]]+/,"cBa"); print;}' cBa Same problem without macro: $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[A-Za-z]{3}/,"cBa"); print;}' AbC $ echo AbC | awk '{sub(/[A-Za-z]+/,"cBa"); print;}' cBa I thought that it might have something to do with the curly braces. But escaping them doesn't do the trick. What am I doing wrong? Or is awk buggy? Regards, kaltheat ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > ... > As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel > booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do > something. But what exactly?) > > I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), > by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader > boot:/boot/kernel/kernel > > and then > mountroot> ufs:/dev/da0p2 Some remarks that may be helpful. fdisk(8) ... In order for the BIOS to boot the kernel, certain conventions must be adhered to. Sector 0 of the disk must contain boot code, a slice table, and a magic number. BIOS slices can be used to break the disk up into several pieces. The BIOS brings in sector 0 and verifies the magic num- ber. The sector 0 boot code then searches the slice table to determine which slice is marked ``active''. This boot code then brings in the bootstrap from the active slice and, if marked bootable, runs it. ... boot0cfg(8) -- boot manager installation/configuration utility To see the first 512 bytes of your first harddisk: # dd if=/dev/ada0 count=1 | hexdump -C http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-trouble.html ... here is this weird BIOS, IDE, SCSI disk numbering stuff ... jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Cant boot 9-RELEASE on Intel L440GX+ based system
2012/8/1 jb : > Sergey Listopad gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Hi. >> >> I try to boot topic on retro dual PIII Intel L440GX+ based system. It >> is onboard AIC-7896 SCSI controller with 1 COMPAQ HDD. CDROM is IDE. >> When I try boot from installation CD, boot stuck on >> >> CD Loader 1.2 >> ... >> BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.02 >> Consoles: internal video/keyboard >> BIOS CD is cd0 >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> >> If I remove HDD, system (/boot/loader) boot from CD just fine. Then I >> insert HDD (hotswap) and able to install on it. But after reboot (with >> installation CD disk removed from drive) system unable to boot. And >> stuck on the same place, after >> ... >> BIOS drive A: is disk0 >> >> Maybe anybody can help me to resolve this issue. I can post any >> additional information which may be helpful. >> >> Thanx. >> > > If FreeBSD boot loader can not find a root partition (slice), you can help > with a boot parameter, for example > vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:ad4s4a" > > After booting, verify and update /etc/fstab, otherwise add it to > /boot/loader.conf . > > Also, the FreeBSD boot slice must be marked as bootable ("active"). > jb > As you can see, bootstrap process stuck much earlier kernel booting/root mounting. It stuck on loader stage (loader can't do something. But what exactly?) I've been able to boot system manually (so system on HDD is workable), by skipping loader stage (boot kernel directly from boot block prompt) >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader boot:/boot/kernel/kernel and then mountroot> ufs:/dev/da0p2 -- S.Listopad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"