Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-28 Thread Csanyi Pal
Gökşin Akdeniz goksin.akde...@gmail.com writes:

 So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public
 server that run already a Debian operating system?

 Instead of working with packages, I suggest working with ports. As you
 have already installed a base system, you can install anything with ports.

OK, I tried with 'portsnap fetch' command as root too, but it stall too:
Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found.
Fetching snapshot tag from portsnap5.FreeBSD.org... done.
Fetching snapshot metadata... done.
Fetching snapshot generated at Mon Mar 28 02:04:59 CEST 2011:
'here is a long word of letters and numbers' 18% of 64 MB 341 kBps
02m38s

Here (or at 67%, or at.. but never reach 100%) stall the download. :(
What can I do to solve this problem?

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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-28 Thread Gökşin Akdeniz
 Fetching snapshot generated at Mon Mar 28 02:04:59 CEST 2011:
 'here is a long word of letters and numbers' 18% of 64 MB 341 kBps
 02m38s
 
 Here (or at 67%, or at.. but never reach 100%) stall the download. :(
 What can I do to solve this problem?
 
It looks like a network trouble. If portsnap fails to fetch, stop and
kill portsnap process then rerun it. when portsnap fetches all portstree
snapshot, run portsnap extract. It will update the ports tree.

Another way of getting an upto date ports tree is cvsup. consult the man
page of csup(1) -csup is cvsup- and sample configuration files are in
/usr/share/example/cvsup directory.


I hope that helps.
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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-28 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM,  per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

 ... the list does not 'mail-back' your e-mail ...
 i.e. you do not see your own post until someone replies to it.

 ... unless you go to the subscription page and select the option
 to be sent your own posts :)

...which likely still won't work on Gmail, because it filters
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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-28 Thread Paul Chany

2011-03-28 20:21 keltezéssel, Gökşin Akdeniz írta:

Fetching snapshot generated at Mon Mar 28 02:04:59 CEST 2011:
'here is a long word of letters and numbers' 18% of 64 MB 341 kBps
02m38s

Here (or at 67%, or at.. but never reach 100%) stall the download. :(
What can I do to solve this problem?

 

It looks like a network trouble. If portsnap fails to fetch, stop and
kill portsnap process then rerun it. when portsnap fetches all portstree
snapshot, run portsnap extract. It will update the ports tree.
   

Finally I have success running 'portsnap fetch' command! :)
I must rerun it once or twice after I kill it with Control-C.

I'm reading now 'man ports' and
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html

Thanks for your help! :)

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FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread Csanyi Pal
Hi,

I have installed on my old Toshiba Satellite 2540CDS Laptop the minimal
FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, using CD image: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso

I have a home LAN with a gateway and I have a public Debian Server too.

When on my laptop want to install some package from a FreeBSD server, I
can't even if I select a nearby server. In Hungary the FreeBSD server
doesn't have my recent release, in Slovenia does but the internet
connection is probably slow because using sysinstall the state of
downloading data from server stall.

So the solution that I see in my case is to have my own FreeBSD mirror
server that I can use only me on my LAN. This mirror server should run
on my public Debian server. Why only me should use this server? Because
my ISP package allow to me only 4GB traffic.

So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public
server that run already a Debian operating system?

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FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread Paul Chany

Hi,

I have installed on my old Toshiba Satellite 2540CDS Laptop the minimal
FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, using CD image: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso

I have a home LAN with a gateway and I have a public Debian Server too.

When on my laptop want to install some package from a FreeBSD server, I
can't even if I select a nearby server. In Hungary the FreeBSD server
doesn't have my recent release, in Slovenia does but the internet
connection is probably slow because using sysinstall the state of
downloading data from server stall.

So the solution that I see in my case is to have my own FreeBSD mirror
server that I can use only me on my LAN. This mirror server should run
on my public Debian server. Why only me should use this server? Because
my ISP package allow to me only 4GB traffic.

So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public
server that run already a Debian operating system?

--
Regards, Paul
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http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/lpt-interface/
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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread Chris Brennan
2011/3/27 Paul Chany csanyi...@stcable.net

Hi,

 I have installed on my old Toshiba Satellite 2540CDS Laptop the minimal
 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE, using CD image: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso

 I have a home LAN with a gateway and I have a public Debian Server too.

 When on my laptop want to install some package from a FreeBSD server, I
 can't even if I select a nearby server. In Hungary the FreeBSD server
 doesn't have my recent release, in Slovenia does but the internet
 connection is probably slow because using sysinstall the state of
 downloading data from server stall.

 So the solution that I see in my case is to have my own FreeBSD mirror
 server that I can use only me on my LAN. This mirror server should run
 on my public Debian server. Why only me should use this server? Because
 my ISP package allow to me only 4GB traffic.

 So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public
 server that run already a Debian operating system?


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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread Csanyi Pal
Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net writes:

 2011/3/27 Paul Chany csanyi...@stcable.net

 This same piece of mail, you sent a few hours ago frrom this very same
 e-mail address with a different name 

Yes, because when I sent the mail first time using my gmail address, I
get not the mail back from the list so I was wonder what could be wrong.

So I subscribe once again on the list with my other address
(csanyi...@stcable.net) because I was thinking that that maybe the
mailing list don't accept mails from Gmail. Sorry..

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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread Chris Brennan
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Csanyi Pal csanyi...@gmail.com wrote:

Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net writes:

  2011/3/27 Paul Chany csanyi...@stcable.net

  This same piece of mail, you sent a few hours ago frrom this very same
  e-mail address with a different name 

 Yes, because when I sent the mail first time using my gmail address, I
 get not the mail back from the list so I was wonder what could be wrong.

 So I subscribe once again on the list with my other address
 (csanyi...@stcable.net) because I was thinking that that maybe the
 mailing list don't accept mails from Gmail. Sorry..

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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread Gökşin Akdeniz
 
 So my question is: can I have a mirror of a FreeBSD server on my public
 server that run already a Debian operating system?
 

You can keep a mirror of a FreeBSD server but storage and bandwith
consumption depends on what you want to mirror. I guess you will
consume all your bandwith with copying of all packages from the FreeBSD
main/mirror sites to your local server.

Instead of working with packages, I suggest working with ports. As you
have already installed a base system, you can install anything with ports.

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Re: FreeBSD mirror server on a Debian operating system?

2011-03-27 Thread perryh
Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote:

 ... the list does not 'mail-back' your e-mail ...
 i.e. you do not see your own post until someone replies to it.

... unless you go to the subscription page and select the option
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Fwd: The FreeBSD mirror in Singapore seems have problem,

2010-11-09 Thread Cheng Renquan
I've tried to contact hostmas...@sg.freebsd.org,
even that also failed permanently:

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Mail Delivery Subsystem
mailer-dae...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

     hostmas...@sg.freebsd.org

 Technical details of permanent failure:
 Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient 
 domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further 
 information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server 
 returned was: 554 554 5.7.1 hostmas...@sg.freebsd.org: Relay access denied 
 (state 14).

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cheng Renquan crq...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Subject: The FreeBSD mirror in Singapore seems have problem,
To: hostmas...@sg.freebsd.org

Hi,
 The FreeBSD mirror in Singapore seems have problem,

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html#HANDBOOK-MIRRORS-CHAPTER-SGML-MIRRORS-SG-FTP

I'd like to download iso amd64 release 8.1, but it provides only i386,
even for i386, they only have 7.2 and 7.3; almost useless for me;
http://mirror.averse.net/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-17 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Well, for what it's worth, I was doing some inverse traceroutes
yesterday, and it does appear that Indian ISPs take quite a tortuous
route from point to point. A traceroute from one Indian ISP (Net4India,
the only one I could even reach, which is already a bit worrisome) went
from India to Singapore to Tokyo to San Jose to New York to Paris, with
a cumulative delay of 418 ms. It actually nearly went around the world:

 1  gw-mum (202.71.136.62)  1.439 ms  0.658 ms  0.820 ms
 2  61.95.151.1 (61.95.151.1)  4.370 ms  2.937 ms  3.521 ms
 3  61.95.150.34 (61.95.150.34)  3.681 ms  7.069 ms  7.438 ms
 4  61.95.150.21 (61.95.150.21)  4.079 ms  6.854 ms  5.343 ms
 5  203.101.100.41 (203.101.100.41)  27.754 ms  26.166 ms  27.516 ms
 6  61.95.180.18 (61.95.180.18)  25.200 ms  24.482 ms  26.841 ms
 7  203.208.146.49 (203.208.146.49)  58.020 ms  58.099 ms  60.815 ms
 8  ge-3-0-0.sngc3-cr1.ix.singtel.com (203.208.172.157)  60.545 ms 
ge-2-0-0.sngc3-cr2.ix.singtel.com (203.208.172.165)  58.701 ms 
ge-3-0-0.sngc3-cr1.ix.singtel.com (203.208.172.157)  58.281 ms
 9  p1-0.sngtp-cr2.ix.singtel.com (203.208.172.129)  56.361 ms  92.429 ms 
p4-0.sngtp-cr3.ix.singtel.com (203.208.172.125)  60.439 ms
10  so-0-1-2.toknf-cr2.ix.singtel.com (203.208.173.94)  151.952 ms 
203.208.172.230 (203.208.172.230)  146.167 ms  219.727 ms
11  p1-0-0.toknf-cr1.ix.singtel.com (203.208.173.21)  155.577 ms  147.855 ms  
157.366 ms
12  P3-0.TKYBB1.Tokyo.opentransit.net (193.251.254.29)  157.024 ms  148.086 ms  
153.658 ms
13  P1-2.SJOCR1.San-jose.opentransit.net (193.251.242.206)  246.231 ms  247.064 
ms  257.645 ms
14  P14-0.NYKCR2.New-york.opentransit.net (193.251.242.1)  330.534 ms  348.584 
ms  344.785 ms
15  P1-0.AUVCR2.Aubervilliers.opentransit.net (193.251.241.137)  423.633 ms  
422.628 ms  414.842 ms
16  pos9-0.nraub303.Aubervilliers.francetelecom.net (193.251.126.9)  415.860 ms 
 428.651 ms  417.621 ms
17  pos0-0-0-0.ncidf303.Aubervilliers.francetelecom.net (193.252.103.169)  
425.146 ms  431.029 ms  423.044 ms
18  80.10.215.202 (80.10.215.202)  424.796 ms  417.172 ms  418.653 ms

A trace from Japan went through Dallas, Atlanta, and Oakhill, but I
guess that isn't too bad, although it's hardly a straight line.  A trace
from Russia was amazingly direct.  Spain reached my machine in just 39
ms, via London.  But the most impressive was CERN in Switzerland, which
reached my machine in eight hops and 8 ms.

This doesn't necessarily mean that Indian ISPs route domestic traffic
outside the country, but I noticed that happening for other countries
that should have better infrastructures, so certainly it would not
surprise me.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-15 Thread RW
On Thursday 14 April 2005 14:35, Subhro wrote:
 Good idea Brian. But the saddest part is as I have indicated above,
 Linux rules :-( and FreeBSD is for the heavy duty software
 professionals. The astonishing fact is that, my ISP BSNL, which is
 supposed to be the biggest ISP in India does not know how to set up a
 PPPoE connection on a FBSD box. After I subscribed to my broadband
 service, which was one month back, tilldate they have not been able to
 do my setup. They have visited my place more than 10 times and tried to
 installed RasPPPoE for Linux 


That's actually quite impressive. 

Most UK ISPs wont even touch Linux. If I'd tried to ask my ISP to setup 
FreeBSD, I'd have to go through an Indian call-centre where I'd get asked 
which versions of Windows and Internet Explorer I'm using.
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-15 Thread Anthony Atkielski
RW writes:

 Most UK ISPs wont even touch Linux. If I'd tried to ask my ISP to setup
 FreeBSD, I'd have to go through an Indian call-centre where I'd get asked
 which versions of Windows and Internet Explorer I'm using.

Why do you need an ISP's help to set up FreeBSD, anyway?

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-15 Thread RW
On Saturday 16 April 2005 01:52, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
 RW writes:
  Most UK ISPs wont even touch Linux. If I'd tried to ask my ISP to setup
  FreeBSD, I'd have to go through an Indian call-centre where I'd get asked
  which versions of Windows and Internet Explorer I'm using.

 Why do you need an ISP's help to set up FreeBSD, anyway?

I don't, hence if I tried, and not when I tried.
   
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-15 Thread Subhro
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
RW writes:
 

Most UK ISPs wont even touch Linux. If I'd tried to ask my ISP to setup
FreeBSD, I'd have to go through an Indian call-centre where I'd get asked
which versions of Windows and Internet Explorer I'm using.
   

Why do you need an ISP's help to set up FreeBSD, anyway?
 

You got it wrong. *I* being old hands at FreeBSD, don't require their 
help. But if I install FBSD on my little sisters PC, she would be 
requiring some help. If I am around, thats not a problem. But if I am 
not, the first place she would go to is the ISP, which i very much 
expected. But unfortunately they are completely clueless.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-15 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Subhro writes:

 You got it wrong. *I* being old hands at FreeBSD, don't require their
 help. But if I install FBSD on my little sisters PC, she would be 
 requiring some help. If I am around, thats not a problem. But if I am 
 not, the first place she would go to is the ISP, which i very much 
 expected. But unfortunately they are completely clueless.

One cannot expect ISPs to know about every operating system available.
It's hard enough just to support Windows, the most popular desktop OS
around.  Some companies might have the resources to support Macs, but
not many.  Hardly anyone can afford to support anything else.

On the other hand, if ISPs didn't try so hard to hide the interfaces
with their service and didn't try to personalize the connections so
much, anyone would be able to connect to any ISP with any OS. But ISPs
seem loath to admit that their basic services are highly
interchangeable, and so they create an unnecessary support load for
themselves by trying to be an exception to every rule.

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India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Rob

Hi,

I recommended FreeBSD to a friend of mine in India
and discovered to my great astonishment that there's
no mirror site in India, at least none is listed
on the official FreeBSD mirror site:

http://www.freebsd.org/.../handbook/mirrors-ftp.html

I would have expected several mirror sites there,
with India becoming one the software development
centers in the world.

Is nobody or no institute in India interested in
setting up a FreeBSD mirror site? Or is (Free)BSD
an unknown/unused OS in India.

For comparison: China has 2 mirrors, Taiwan has 16,
Korea 2, Japan 9, Indonesia 1 and HongKong 1.
India has none!

Regards,
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
Rob wrote:
Hi,
I recommended FreeBSD to a friend of mine in India
and discovered to my great astonishment that there's
no mirror site in India, at least none is listed
on the official FreeBSD mirror site:
 

Yeh you are right.
http://www.freebsd.org/.../handbook/mirrors-ftp.html
I would have expected several mirror sites there,
with India becoming one the software development
centers in the world.
 

Well the main issue is, bandwidth is very very costly in India. The 
amount of bandwidth that would cost 40 USD in US would cost around 350 
USD in India.

Is nobody or no institute in India interested in
setting up a FreeBSD mirror site? Or is (Free)BSD
an unknown/unused OS in India.
 

FreeBSD is definitely not used as much as Linux as far as Indian 
scenario is concerned. And I am really sorry to say, maximum boxes are 
ruled by windows, that too pirated editions :-(

For comparison: China has 2 mirrors, Taiwan has 16,
Korea 2, Japan 9, Indonesia 1 and HongKong 1.
India has none!
 

I would speak to my ISP and try to convince them to set up a mirror 
here. Lets see what works out.

Regards
S.
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Subhro writes:

 Well the main issue is, bandwidth is very very costly in India. The
 amount of bandwidth that would cost 40 USD in US would cost around 350
 USD in India.

All the more reason to have a mirror in India.  The shorter the distance
to cover, the faster the transfer is likely to be, and the lower the
cost.  If there are people in India who want to download FreeBSD, then
an Indian mirror is a very good idea, _especially_ if bandwidth is
expensive.

Additionally, a mirror site in India could burn CDs locally and hand
them out, subject to licensing restrictions.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Brian McCann
 Another suggestion would be talk to a university or other large
school that may be able to afford the bandwidth, or get it at a
discounted rate.  Heck, it's added publicity for them and they are
helping the open source community.

--Brian

On 4/14/05, Subhro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rob wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I recommended FreeBSD to a friend of mine in India
 and discovered to my great astonishment that there's
 no mirror site in India, at least none is listed
 on the official FreeBSD mirror site:
 
 
 Yeh you are right.
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/.../handbook/mirrors-ftp.html
 
 I would have expected several mirror sites there,
 with India becoming one the software development
 centers in the world.
 
 
 
 Well the main issue is, bandwidth is very very costly in India. The
 amount of bandwidth that would cost 40 USD in US would cost around 350
 USD in India.
 
 Is nobody or no institute in India interested in
 setting up a FreeBSD mirror site? Or is (Free)BSD
 an unknown/unused OS in India.
 
 
 FreeBSD is definitely not used as much as Linux as far as Indian
 scenario is concerned. And I am really sorry to say, maximum boxes are
 ruled by windows, that too pirated editions :-(
 
 For comparison: China has 2 mirrors, Taiwan has 16,
 Korea 2, Japan 9, Indonesia 1 and HongKong 1.
 India has none!
 
 
 I would speak to my ISP and try to convince them to set up a mirror
 here. Lets see what works out.
 
 Regards
 S.
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
All the more reason to have a mirror in India.  The shorter the distance
to cover, the faster the transfer is likely to be,
This is definitely technically true but not practially as far as India 
is concern. The average bandwidth available to individual is 56Kbps 
(actual, not the rated). A few lucky souls DO have access to high speed 
links in the range of ~1Mbps but that is truly not the mass. So as far 
as transfer rate is concerned, the bottleneck is definitely not the 
physical location of the source.

and the lower the
cost.
This also is not applicable is here. Having spent quite some time in US, 
I am well aware of the fact that for many ISPs, data tranferred within 
the local uplink is free. However this is not the case here. Firstly as 
most users access internet on dialup, they do not have any data 
restrictions. The people who *do* have a fat downlink would pay equally 
for data transferred from an Indian server or from an American Server.

Additionally, a mirror site in India could burn CDs locally and hand
them out, subject to licensing restrictions.
 

This is really a wonderful idea. It never struck to me. Even without 
going in for a online mirror, I can take initiative and execute this. 
Thanks Anthony. I would also request the concerned person to kindly let 
me know how I can get listed on the FreeBSD Handbook.

Best Regards,
S.
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
Brian McCann wrote:
Another suggestion would be talk to a university or other large
school that may be able to afford the bandwidth, or get it at a
discounted rate.  Heck, it's added publicity for them and they are
helping the open source community.
 

Good idea Brian. But the saddest part is as I have indicated above, 
Linux rules :-( and FreeBSD is for the heavy duty software 
professionals. The astonishing fact is that, my ISP BSNL, which is 
supposed to be the biggest ISP in India does not know how to set up a 
PPPoE connection on a FBSD box. After I subscribed to my broadband 
service, which was one month back, tilldate they have not been able to 
do my setup. They have visited my place more than 10 times and tried to 
installed RasPPPoE for Linux and kept wondering why it was complaining 
about unknown ELF type (I didnt have the compatibility layer loaded). I 
did the setup myself but till date the issue remains open in their 
problem database :-(.  I don't understand why it works out this way but 
my assumption is, you dont get FreeBSD softwares as easily as Linux. The 
main sources for software in India is either markets (read pirates) or 
CDs accompanying computer magazines. And this is a fact that thoes 
magazines never speak of FreeBSD. Personally I find it much more easier 
to install FreeBSD than to install any popular public version of Linux 
like Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake But the FreeBSD installer is 
definitely not as appealing as the Mandrake installer. For a newbie, 
pretty looking toolbars with nothing underneath  is always more 
appealing than a text mode installer with loads of information in it. 
Another example  for most modern distribution like SuSe or Fedora is 
whenever some application dies when it is not supposed to, it tries 
sending out bug reports and and taking preventive measures. I understand 
we can simply make a script to watch over the logs and do these neat 
tricks. But out of the box most applicatipons dont do that. This thing 
also turns off the newcomer.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread W. D.
At 08:20 4/14/2005, Subhro, wrote:
Anthony Atkielski wrote:

All the more reason to have a mirror in India.  The shorter the distance
to cover, the faster the transfer is likely to be,


This is definitely technically true but not practially as far as India 
is concern. The average bandwidth available to individual is 56Kbps 
(actual, not the rated). A few lucky souls DO have access to high speed 
links in the range of ~1Mbps but that is truly not the mass. So as far 
as transfer rate is concerned, the bottleneck is definitely not the 
physical location of the source.

 and the lower the
cost.


This also is not applicable is here. Having spent quite some time in US, 
I am well aware of the fact that for many ISPs, data tranferred within 
the local uplink is free. However this is not the case here. Firstly as 
most users access internet on dialup, they do not have any data 
restrictions. 

Hmmm.  Does 'they do not have any data restrictions' mean that
the aren't charged by the megabyte?  If so, there is a Windows
program called FreeDownloadManager that can *reliably* download
huge files.  In the case of ISOs, it could take many days
on dialup, but you can start or stop, regulate download speed, 
etc.:
http://www.FreeDownloadManager.org/features.htm



The people who *do* have a fat downlink would pay equally 
for data transferred from an Indian server or from an American Server.

Additionally, a mirror site in India could burn CDs locally and hand
them out, subject to licensing restrictions.
  

This is really a wonderful idea. It never struck to me. Even without 
going in for a online mirror, I can take initiative and execute this. 
Thanks Anthony. I would also request the concerned person to kindly let 
me know how I can get listed on the FreeBSD Handbook.

Best Regards,
S.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 09:13:21AM -0500, W. D. wrote:
 At 08:20 4/14/2005, Subhro, wrote:
 Anthony Atkielski wrote:
 
 All the more reason to have a mirror in India.  The shorter the distance
 to cover, the faster the transfer is likely to be,
 
 
 This is definitely technically true but not practially as far as India 
 is concern. The average bandwidth available to individual is 56Kbps 
 (actual, not the rated). A few lucky souls DO have access to high speed 
 links in the range of ~1Mbps but that is truly not the mass. So as far 
 as transfer rate is concerned, the bottleneck is definitely not the 
 physical location of the source.
 
  and the lower the
 cost.
 
 
 This also is not applicable is here. Having spent quite some time in US, 
 I am well aware of the fact that for many ISPs, data tranferred within 
 the local uplink is free. However this is not the case here. Firstly as 
 most users access internet on dialup, they do not have any data 
 restrictions. 
 
 Hmmm.  Does 'they do not have any data restrictions' mean that
 the aren't charged by the megabyte?  If so, there is a Windows
 program called FreeDownloadManager that can *reliably* download
 huge files.  In the case of ISOs, it could take many days
 on dialup, but you can start or stop, regulate download speed, 
 etc.:
 http://www.FreeDownloadManager.org/features.htm

I would assume that like most other countries they are charged per
minute for the dialup connection (by the phone company, not the ISP)
even if they don't get charged per megabyte.  Downloading large files
will still be expensive then.



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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
Erik Trulsson wrote:
I would assume that like most other countries they are charged per
minute for the dialup connection (by the phone company, not the ISP)
even if they don't get charged per megabyte.  Downloading large files
will still be expensive then.
 

We are changed per minute both by the Carrier company and the ISP.
Regards
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Rob
Subhro wrote:
 Erik Trulsson wrote:
 
 I would assume that like most other countries they
 are charged per minute for the dialup connection
 (by the phone company, not the ISP) even if they
 don't get charged per megabyte.  Downloading large
 files will still be expensive then.

 We are changed per minute both by the Carrier
 company and the ISP.

I guess this is typical for home connections in India.

But I suppose that big research institutes and
universities have a better, more economic internet
connection.
I can't imagine that the big institutes in Kolkata,
Chennai, Bengalore, Mumbai etc. are connected via
56 kb/s modems and pay exorbitant amounts for
internet use

Of course, a Linux and/or BSD mirror should be
hosted by such a research institute, most probably
by the computer science departement.

Or is all that different in India?

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
Rob wrote:
I guess this is typical for home connections in India.
 

True, bust most Universities have things like 5 128K links tagged 
together. Put this down plain and simple, bandwidth is really really 
scarce in India.

Of course, a Linux and/or BSD mirror should be
hosted by such a research institute, most probably
by the computer science departement.
 

Right. But most Universities are simply not interested and tag BSD as 
not for the masses OS. In the Indian Scenario, a handful of *BSD users 
are considered Wizards and non Microsoft OS implies Linux.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Robert Huff

Rob writes:

  But I suppose that big research institutes and universities have
  a better, more economic internet connection.

  I can't imagine that the big institutes in Kolkata, Chennai,
  Bengalore, Mumbai etc. are connected via 56 kb/s modems and pay
  exorbitant amounts for internet use

No ... but (based on comments made here and reading elsewhere)
thye may be paying proportionally a _lot_ more for that T-1 or T-3,
never mind an OC-whatever.


Robert Huff


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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
Robert Huff wrote:
Rob writes:
 

better, more economic internet connection.
I can't imagine that the big institutes in Kolkata, Chennai,
Bengalore, Mumbai etc. are connected via 56 kb/s modems and pay
exorbitant amounts for internet use
   

	No ... but (based on comments made here and reading elsewhere)
thye may be paying proportionally a _lot_ more for that T-1 or T-3,
never mind an OC-whatever.
 

Precisely thats my point.
Regards
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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread N. Raghavendra
At 2005-04-14T14:35:49+02:00, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

 All the more reason to have a mirror in India.  The shorter the
 distance to cover, the faster the transfer is likely to be, and the
 lower the cost.

Traffic between two hosts located in India is usually routed through
US or European networks.  For example, here is the output of
`traceroute' from a host in Allahabad in the North, to Bombay in the
West of India.

[unicorn:/usr/home/raghu]% traceroute -n www.tifr.res.in
traceroute to tifrweb.tifr.res.in (158.144.1.39), ...
 1  192.168.10.1  0.685 ms  0.508 ms  0.257 ms
 2  210.212.50.1  1.270 ms  1.103 ms  1.054 ms
 3  61.0.97.46  3.132 ms  3.075 ms  3.147 ms
 4  61.0.233.30  234.942 ms  245.254 ms  230.948 ms
 5  61.0.229.62  384.842 ms  484.036 ms  433.154 ms
 6  203.197.28.86  739.762 ms  612.132 ms  650.285 ms
 7  202.54.2.26  518.586 ms  411.083 ms  434.881 ms
 8  208.192.183.149  551.193 ms  567.015 ms  487.806 ms
 ...
20  202.84.154.6  874.091 ms  885.075 ms  1082.661 ms
21  202.84.154.130  877.544 ms  738.263 ms  787.024 ms
22  134.159.128.42  547.869 ms  564.489 ms  548.837 ms
23  219.64.254.145  755.060 ms  808.728 ms  893.595 ms
 ...

A `whois' lookup for 208.192.183.149, says that the address belongs to
UUNET Technologies, Inc., VA, US.  The address 134.159.128.42 belongs
to Reach Networks HK Ltd, Hong Kong.  As I understand it, this means
that traffic from Allahabad goes to the US, and then to Hong Kong,
before it reaches Bombay.

Therefore, the geographical proximity of two hosts within India does
not imply their proximity on the Internet.  In addition to such
routing troubles, most Indian sites suffer from severe bandwidth
paucity.

A few years ago, an Indian research institute set up a mirror of the
electronic preprint repository `arXiv.org'.  However, because of
routing anomalies --- and because the Indian site does not have as
much bandwidth as the master `arXiv.org' site in the US --- many users
find that it is faster to download papers from the master site, than
from the Indian mirror.  

I think that would be the case also with a FreeBSD mirror in India.
This could be one reason why there are no such mirrors.  Another could
be the fact that very few Indians use UNIX, or its clones --- and
those who do mostly use GNU/Linux.

 Additionally, a mirror site in India could burn CDs locally and hand
 them out

There are a few Indian shops which do sell inexpensive FreeBSD and
GNU/Linux CD-ROMs --- costing about USD 4.00 for three CDs.

Raghavendra.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Subhro writes:

 Good idea Brian. But the saddest part is as I have indicated above,
 Linux rules :-( and FreeBSD is for the heavy duty software 
 professionals.

Starting burning some CDs and handing them out, and maybe that will
change (eventually). FreeBSD is real UN*X (except for the trademark),
and it should whip Linux as a server without any difficulty. So if there
are organizations in India that want to set up servers at little or no
cost, FreeBSD is their wish come true. And FreeBSD skills are
transferable to other UNIX operating systems more directly than Linux
skills, which are becoming increasingly specific to that community.

 The main sources for software in India is either markets (read
 pirates) or CDs accompanying computer magazines. And this is a fact
 that thoes magazines never speak of FreeBSD.

Odd that they so readily deal in pirated software, but they so rarely
speak of software that is already free to begin with!

 Personally I find it much more easier
 to install FreeBSD than to install any popular public version of Linux
 like Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake But the FreeBSD installer is 
 definitely not as appealing as the Mandrake installer. For a newbie, 
 pretty looking toolbars with nothing underneath  is always more 
 appealing than a text mode installer with loads of information in it.

Skip the newbies and introduce IT professionals to FreeBSD.  Tell your
ISP about it--I daresay they could find a great many uses for a reliable
UN*X server, especially when the software is free.  It's got to be
better than Red Hat, which is what they apparently run now.

 Another example  for most modern distribution like SuSe or Fedora is
 whenever some application dies when it is not supposed to, it tries 
 sending out bug reports and and taking preventive measures. I understand
 we can simply make a script to watch over the logs and do these neat 
 tricks. But out of the box most applicatipons dont do that. This thing
 also turns off the newcomer.

Most of the 35,481,847 Linux distributions available this week target
the desktop, although none of them can hold a candle Windows in this
respect.  They are thus solutions looking for problems, since anyone who
wants a real desktop will run Windows, and since Linux fans often seem
unable to see their favorite distributions in a serious server role.  So
you get all the junk one might expect with a wannabe Windows OS, and
none of the basic simplicity you need with a server.

If you want a desktop --- install Windows (or a Mac).
If you want a server --- install FreeBSD.
If you want religion --- install Linux.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Subhro writes:

 We are changed per minute both by the Carrier company and the ISP.

Apparently Indian companies are working so hard to help China dominate
the IT world.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Subhro
N. Raghavendra wrote:
At 2005-04-14T14:35:49+02:00, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
 

Traffic between two hosts located in India is usually routed through
US or European networks. 

I beg to differ.
Tracing route to in.beta.vip.in.yahoo.com [202.43.219.47]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 116 ms18 ms22 ms  59.93.160.1
 239 ms39 ms42 ms  218.248.253.89
 344 ms38 ms40 ms  218.248.249.33
 438 ms40 ms45 ms  218.248.255.5
 559 ms48 ms42 ms  218.248.255.6
 652 ms55 ms69 ms  203.200.145.202
 7   105 ms   103 ms   102 ms  ekm-mum-2nd-stm1.Bbone.vsnl.net.in 
[202.54.2.202
]
 893 ms   100 ms91 ms  lvsb-vsb-IDC-1st-stm1.Bbone.vsnl.net.in 
[202.54.
2.10]
 992 ms88 ms90 ms  203.199.112.46.static.vsnl.net.in 
[203.199.112.4
6]
10   102 ms91 ms89 ms  fe0-1.sar1.in.yahoo.com [203.199.124.154]
1195 ms95 ms   104 ms  in.beta.vip.in.yahoo.com [202.43.219.47]

Trace complete.
This completely remains inside India. Unless you purposefully introduce 
some US/EU intervention in the routing tables, it works withut problems.

I think that would be the case also with a FreeBSD mirror in India.
This could be one reason why there are no such mirrors.  Another could
be the fact that very few Indians use UNIX, or its clones --- and
those who do mostly use GNU/Linux.
 

Yeh the second one is a point. I already pointed to it.
 

There are a few Indian shops which do sell inexpensive FreeBSD and
GNU/Linux CD-ROMs --- costing about USD 4.00 for three CDs.
 

I didnt find any. :-( However as I pointed earlier I am very happy to 
burn the CDs and sip them out for a nominal charge.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Subhro writes:

 True, bust most Universities have things like 5 128K links tagged
 together. Put this down plain and simple, bandwidth is really really 
 scarce in India.

That has to change, and soon.  There's no cure for a shortage of
bandwidth except more bandwidth.  Lay the fiber and light it.

 Right. But most Universities are simply not interested and tag BSD as
 not for the masses OS.

THey are right.  No version of UNIX is for the masses, nor is Linux.
But for servers, UNIX has an edge in many situations (not so much
Linux).  For the masses, Windows is best; if Windows is not available,
then I suppose Linux would be better than nothing (but not much better).

 In the Indian Scenario, a handful of *BSD users are considered Wizards
 and non Microsoft OS implies Linux.

I thought India was supposed to be speeding ahead in IT; it doesn't
sound like it's even in the running from what you're saying.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Anthony Atkielski
N. Raghavendra writes:

 Traffic between two hosts located in India is usually routed through
 US or European networks.

Why??

 A `whois' lookup for 208.192.183.149, says that the address belongs to
 UUNET Technologies, Inc., VA, US.  The address 134.159.128.42 belongs
 to Reach Networks HK Ltd, Hong Kong.  As I understand it, this means
 that traffic from Allahabad goes to the US, and then to Hong Kong,
 before it reaches Bombay.

The IT equivalent of the proverbial slow boat to China.  At least most
of the world's secret services get a peak at all Indian traffic, I
guess.

 Therefore, the geographical proximity of two hosts within India does
 not imply their proximity on the Internet.

Is digging a ditch and laying fiber between them out of the question?

 In addition to such routing troubles, most Indian sites suffer from
 severe bandwidth paucity.

Because it doesn't exist, or because telecoms and ISPs are gouging them
with their pricing?

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Robert Huff

Anthony Atkielski writes:

  That has to change, and soon.  There's no cure for a shortage of
  bandwidth except more bandwidth.  Lay the fiber and light it.

As I understand it, in India it's Not That Simple.  Operations
which take eight weeks and three signatures in the U. S. or
U. K. can take years and dozens of signatures ... and if you run
into a corrupt official, good luck.


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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Robert Huff writes:

 As I understand it, in India it's Not That Simple. Operations which
 take eight weeks and three signatures in the U. S. or U. K. can take
 years and dozens of signatures ... and if you run into a corrupt
 official, good luck.

If that's true, the only losers are the Indians.  And their main
competitor, the sleeping giant to the east, isn't going to wait for them
to get their act together.

But I suppose that has nothing to do with FreeBSD.

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread N. Raghavendra
At 2005-04-14T23:16:17+05:30, Subhro wrote:

 There are a few Indian shops which do sell inexpensive FreeBSD and
 GNU/Linux CD-ROMs --- costing about USD 4.00 for three CDs.

 I didnt find any.

See http://www.roseindia.net/linux/free_bsd_5_3.shtml

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Re: India had no FreeBSD mirror sites ?!?

2005-04-14 Thread Joel

(B  Therefore, the geographical proximity of two hosts within India does
(B  not imply their proximity on the Internet.
(B 
(B Is digging a ditch and laying fiber between them out of the question?
(B
(BQuite possibly so. Think about the population density. 
(B
(BDigging a ditch any real distance is liable to require a lot of
(Bpolitical involvement. A one kilometer ditch is liable to cross the land
(Bof close to a thousand people, more, perhaps, if there are large
(Bapartments or multiple-owner complexes in the path. 
(B
(BAnyway, you can't just assume things are the same all over.
(B
(B
(B--
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(Bdigitcom, inc.   $B3t<02q

how to be a freeBSD mirror

2005-04-05 Thread Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina
Hello, 

We're the stuff of the free software department at the university of
Orléans (France)

We'd like to be a mirror of freee BSD (all arches, all branches)

What documentation would you recommend us to read about technical tips
and admnistrative request to the FreeBSD project team?

The  server is running Debian/Linux.
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Re: how to be a freeBSD mirror

2005-04-05 Thread Philip Hallstrom
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina wrote:
Hello,
We're the stuff of the free software department at the university of
Orléans (France)
We'd like to be a mirror of freee BSD (all arches, all branches)
What documentation would you recommend us to read about technical tips
and admnistrative request to the FreeBSD project team?
The  server is running Debian/Linux.
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FreeBSD mirror site

2004-06-26 Thread Ljubisa Radivojevic
Hello,
I am in process of setuping a freebsd mirror
Server is located in Serbia and Montenegro, Europe

server is
mirror.etf.bg.ac.yu
it can be accessed via http, ftp and rsync

directory is mirror.etf.bg.ac.yu/freebsd

I've starting mirroring from ftp2.at.freebsd.org module FreeBSD, is that OK?


Regards, Ljubisa

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http://rc.etf.bg.ac.yu
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Re: FreeBSD mirror site

2004-06-26 Thread Bill Moran
Ljubisa Radivojevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 I am in process of setuping a freebsd mirror
 Server is located in Serbia and Montenegro, Europe
 
 server is
 mirror.etf.bg.ac.yu
 it can be accessed via http, ftp and rsync
 
 directory is mirror.etf.bg.ac.yu/freebsd
 
 I've starting mirroring from ftp2.at.freebsd.org module FreeBSD, is that OK?

You should read this document and follow the advice within:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html

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FreeBSD mirror in Bulgaria

2004-03-16 Thread Lyubomir Russev
Dear Sirs,

What criterias should be met and what should be done in order to establish
FreeBSD mirror site in Bulgaria?

Best Regards,
Lyubomir Russev, FreeBSD enthusiast,
Telecom Partners Network Ltd.
Sofia, Bulgaria

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Re: FreeBSD mirror in Bulgaria

2004-03-16 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 11:20:14AM +0200, Lyubomir Russev wrote:

 What criterias should be met and what should be done in order to establish
 FreeBSD mirror site in Bulgaria?

Give this document a read through:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html

which should answer most of your questions.  Anything else, try asking
on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  But basically it boils
down to providing a sufficiently powerful machine with good network
bandwidth and plenty of free space and agreeing to certain conditions
on how you configure and manage the thing.

Always good to see a new mirror in previously uncharted territory.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD mirror in Bulgaria

2004-03-16 Thread Dancho Penev
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 02:06:57PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:06:57 +
From: Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lyubomir Russev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD mirror in Bulgaria
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 11:20:14AM +0200, Lyubomir Russev wrote:

What criterias should be met and what should be done in order to establish
FreeBSD mirror site in Bulgaria?
Give this document a read through:

   http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hubs/index.html

which should answer most of your questions.  Anything else, try asking
on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  But basically it boils
down to providing a sufficiently powerful machine with good network
bandwidth and plenty of free space and agreeing to certain conditions
on how you configure and manage the thing.
Always good to see a new mirror in previously uncharted territory.
Well, it's not quite right. There was one ({www|ftp}.bg.freebsd.org),
but I can't see it these days, so I suppose that it's down (may be
forever). It seems that I must change MASTER_SITE_BACKUP...
	Cheers,

	Matthew

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FreeBSD Mirror

2003-10-28 Thread James P. Carter

   FreeBSD Team:


   First please let me thank for providing an excellent distribution. I
   wanted to inform you of a new project I have started and that will be
   available within the next couple of days. I am setting up a central
   repository for BitTorrent links relating only to Open Source
   projects. I would like to including FreeBSD's .torrent links, in our
   future home page when your torrents are available. I am letting you
   know in case this is unacceptable, if it is please let me know.


   If this is acceptable please let me know as well. I sincerely hope
   that this will help take some load off of yours and your mirrors
   servers. I like the faster downloads and I am certain others do as
   well.


   The future sites location is at [1]http://www.opentorrent.org


   Thank you very much for your time,

   James P. Carter
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Mind-Ops
   [3]http://www.mind-ops.com
   Small Office Home Office (SOHO) Networking and Design
   480.250.7823

References

   1. http://www.opentorrent.org/
   2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   3. http://www.mind-ops.com/
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