Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Michael P. Soulier]

On 08/05/06 albi said:

> sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the 
> from-address right :
> 
> set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem"

That's not really required. 

set use_from
set from="Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
set envelope_from

Mike

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Gerard Seibert]

guru wrote:

> El día Monday, May 08, 2006 a las 03:23:30PM +0200, albi escribió:
> 
> > On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600
> > "Bryan Curl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > mutt sends mail as usual. Then,
> > > fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net
> > > 
> > > The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact
> > > message escapes me at this time)
> > > 
> > > The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through '
> > > smtp.myispmailserver.net'?
> > > Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly?
> > 
> > sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the 
> > from-address right :
> > 
> > set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem"
> 
> Of course, you have to configure 'fetchmail' (normaly done
> in a file ~/.fetchmailrc) for fetching and sendmail for
> outgoing mail; in the M4-based rules files to generate the
> sendmail's submit.cf you may use something like
> 
>   define(`SMART_HOST', `[smtp.myispmailserver.net]')dnl
> 
> to put all outbound mail to your ISP.
> 
>   matthias
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OK, but suppose the SMTP server was GMail; i.e. smtp.gmail.com which
uses SSL on port 465 I believe. Is it possible to configure Sendmail to
use that in the `SMART_HOST' setting?


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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[albi]

On Mon, 8 May 2006 10:10:24 -0600
"Bryan Curl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If that just fixes From in the header Im not sure that is entirely my
> problem.
> Since my bounces seem to be related to my localhost domain name, I
> wonder about a setting like described here from sendmail's manual.
> 
> You can have your host masquerade as another using
> MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain')
> 
> This causes mail being sent to be labeled as coming from the indicated
> host.domain, rather than $j. 

hmm, ok, sorry, i always make sure my postfix-settings are correct,
and i just remembered the problem of having the From-address correct
in mutt some years ago

glad to see you apparently have it all sorted out now :)

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Bryan Curl]

If that just fixes From in the header Im not sure that is entirely my
problem.
Since my bounces seem to be related to my localhost domain name, I wonder
about a setting like described here from sendmail's manual.

You can have your host masquerade as another using
MASQUERADE_AS(`host.domain')

This causes mail being sent to be labeled as coming from the indicated
host.domain, rather than $j. One normally masquerades as one of one's own
subdomains (for example, it's unlikely that Berkeley would choose to
masquerade as an MIT site). This behaviour is modified by a plethora of
FEATUREs ; in particular, see
masquerade_envelope,
allmasquerade ,
limited_masquerade,
and 
masquerade_entire_domain
.





On 5/8/06, albi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600
"Bryan Curl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> mutt sends mail as usual. Then,
> fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net
>
> The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact
> message escapes me at this time)
>
> The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through '
> smtp.myispmailserver.net'?
> Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly?

sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the
from-address right :

set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem"

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[guru]

El día Monday, May 08, 2006 a las 03:23:30PM +0200, albi escribió:

> On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600
> "Bryan Curl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > mutt sends mail as usual. Then,
> > fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net
> > 
> > The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact
> > message escapes me at this time)
> > 
> > The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through '
> > smtp.myispmailserver.net'?
> > Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly?
> 
> sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the 
> from-address right :
> 
> set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem"

Of course, you have to configure 'fetchmail' (normaly done
in a file ~/.fetchmailrc) for fetching and sendmail for
outgoing mail; in the M4-based rules files to generate the
sendmail's submit.cf you may use something like

define(`SMART_HOST', `[smtp.myispmailserver.net]')dnl

to put all outbound mail to your ISP.

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[albi]

On Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:05 -0600
"Bryan Curl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> mutt sends mail as usual. Then,
> fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net
> 
> The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact
> message escapes me at this time)
> 
> The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through '
> smtp.myispmailserver.net'?
> Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly?

sometimes i use mutt, this is the part in my .muttrc to get the 
from-address right :

set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -oi -oem"

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Bryan Curl]

Ok I'll bite.
I installed fetchmail and fairly quickly had it retreiving mail into system.
I installed mutt and spent 2 hours looking at man and muttrc. Wow.
What I dont get is how mutt replies to mail I retrived from '
mywork.mailserver.com'.
I have to use '' to send the mail. I think I do it like this.

mutt sends mail as usual. Then,
fetchmail -S smtp.myispmailserver.net

The mail bounces from myispmailserver.net with an error like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (my private domain) is urecognized domain. (exact message
escapes me at this time)

The question is how do I tell mutt to send all mail out through '
smtp.myispmailserver.net'?
Or maybe I need to configure sendmail or fetchmail differntly?

Can someone point me to some sample configs or human readable help
information?

Thanks

On 5/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


El día Saturday, May 06, 2006 a las 08:40:02PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier
escribió:

>
> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find
a
> good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
>
> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
>
> multiple identities
> IMAP
> PGP

xterm+fetchmail+mutt+vi is all you need; anything else is just not
usefull for real work;

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Norberto Meijome]

On Sun, 07 May 2006 14:54:14 +0100
eoghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I actually got it from /usr/X11R6/bin/sylpheed-claws

yup . I set my launcher for sylpheed to actually do nice sylpheed-claws, as it
sometimes spin-locks - this way it doesn't hog more than needed.
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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[eoghan]

Frank Steinborn wrote:

eoghan wrote:

Once installed, whats the script called to start claws?


/usr/local/bin/sylpheed-claws (Make sure you typed "rehash in your
shell just after installing)

Hint: See pkg-plist in the directory of the port to find out what
files will be installed, and where.


Thanks
I actually got it from /usr/X11R6/bin/sylpheed-claws
doesnt seem to be in /usr/local/bin/

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Frank Steinborn]

eoghan wrote:
> Once installed, whats the script called to start claws?

/usr/local/bin/sylpheed-claws (Make sure you typed "rehash in your
shell just after installing)

Hint: See pkg-plist in the directory of the port to find out what
files will be installed, and where.
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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Gerard Seibert]

Danny Pansters wrote:

> On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:29, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote:
> > > On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > >> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find
> > >> a good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
> > >>
> > >> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
> > >>
> > >> multiple identities
> > >> IMAP
> > >> PGP
> > >>
> > >> As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used
> > >> Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora
> > >> for Unix
> > >
> > > I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the
> > > above.
> >
> > I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I
> > couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass
> > operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-' to
> > highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the
> > bottom message window ;(
> 
> As you've noticed the up and down keys are already used for scrolling in the 
> content widget.  Instead use shift or ctrl and the left mouse button instead 
> or the + and - keys (go to latter/next unread message) or the arrow-left and 
> arrow-right keys (go to latter/next message). See "Keyboard Shortcuts" in the 
> KMail handbook which is the obvious place to look ;-)
> 
> Finally, most core KDE apps have a settings -> shortcuts menu entry so you 
> can 
> even change the defaults. Some people call this bloat.
> 
> Dan

If you need help with KMail and how to properly use and configure it,
might I suggest the following list:

KDE PIM users mailing list
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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[eoghan]

Norberto Meijome wrote:

On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:40:02 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


multiple identities
IMAP
PGP


Hi Marc,
give sylpheed-claws ( mail/sylpheed-claws port) a try - it is very fast and
lean. I used to use thunderbird but I felt it was very heavy compared to
sylpheed. I'm using 6 IMAP identities, 2 POP3 (for mailing lists), as weell as
2 SMTP only (to send via same server as different user).

Try the -claws port , as it supports more features and plugins.

Good luck,
Beto


Once installed, whats the script called to start claws?
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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Danny Pansters]

On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:29, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find
> >> a good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
> >>
> >> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
> >>
> >> multiple identities
> >> IMAP
> >> PGP
> >>
> >> As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used
> >> Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora
> >> for Unix
> >
> > I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the
> > above.
>
> I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I
> couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass
> operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-' to
> highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the
> bottom message window ;(

As you've noticed the up and down keys are already used for scrolling in the 
content widget.  Instead use shift or ctrl and the left mouse button instead 
or the + and - keys (go to latter/next unread message) or the arrow-left and 
arrow-right keys (go to latter/next message). See "Keyboard Shortcuts" in the 
KMail handbook which is the obvious place to look ;-)

Finally, most core KDE apps have a settings -> shortcuts menu entry so you can 
even change the defaults. Some people call this bloat.

Dan
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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Norberto Meijome]

On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:40:02 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> multiple identities
> IMAP
> PGP

Hi Marc,
give sylpheed-claws ( mail/sylpheed-claws port) a try - it is very fast and
lean. I used to use thunderbird but I felt it was very heavy compared to
sylpheed. I'm using 6 IMAP identities, 2 POP3 (for mailing lists), as weell as
2 SMTP only (to send via same server as different user).

Try the -claws port , as it supports more features and plugins.

Good luck,
Beto
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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[guru]

El día Saturday, May 06, 2006 a las 08:40:02PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier escribió:

> 
> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a 
> good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
> 
> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
> 
> multiple identities
> IMAP
> PGP

xterm+fetchmail+mutt+vi is all you need; anything else is just not
usefull for real work;

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Sun, 7 May 2006, Ian Moore wrote:


On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a
good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...

Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:

multiple identities
IMAP
PGP

As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora
in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix



I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above.


I tried it, and was turned off very question ... my first beef ... I 
couldn't seem to select multiple messags in the thread window to do a mass 
operation on it ... for instance, in eudora, I could do 'shift-' to 
highlight several articles ... under kmail, the up/dn arrow scrolls the 
bottom message window ;(



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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Peter]

--- "Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to
> find a 
> good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
> 
> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
> 
> multiple identities
> IMAP
> PGP
> 
> As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used
> Eudora 
> in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for
> Unix 

I'm testing out sylpheed-claws[1].  It seems a little brittle at times
(preferences being lost, odd crashes) but I'm going to hang with it for
awhile.  It loads quickly and is good for usenet too.  Lots of
configuration possible (it even has options not visible via the GUI).

[1] http://claws.sylpheed.org/features.php

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Ian Moore]

On Sunday 07 May 2006 09:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a
> good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
>
> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
>
> multiple identities
> IMAP
> PGP
>
> As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora
> in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix
>

I use kmail (part of kde) which is also very nice and will do all the above.

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[albi]

forgot to mention, i'm also using sylpheed, but that because i still
need to move the mail-filtering to thunderbird

and that reminds me of one annoyance in thunderbird, if you use pop3(s)
.. and you have really large mailboxes, then you manually have to
"compress" them after deleting emails in those mailboxes

afaik sylpheed (and sylpheed-claws) don't have that "problem"

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Re: GUI mail client recommendations ...

[albi]

On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:40:02 -0300 (ADT)
"Marc G. Fournier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to
> find a good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...
> 
> Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:
> 
> multiple identities
> IMAP
> PGP
> 
> As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used
> Eudora in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no
> Eudora for Unix :(

mozilla-thunderbird, the gpg-part in thunderbird is nice imho, multiple
indentities are no problem except if you want to use different
smtp-servers for different identities, then you need to download an
extension to make that work properly

(i've tried eudora in Wine some years ago (not for myself), it would
start, but there were some problems, perhaps it works fine in Wine now)

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GUI mail client recommendations ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

I've been using pine *forever* now and am finding it really hard to find a 
good GUI to replace it :(  Tried kmail, didn't like it ...


Off the top of my head, the only thing(s) it needs to do is:

multiple identities
IMAP
PGP

As much as I hate admitting doing things under Windows, I have used Eudora 
in the past and like its interface, but, alas, there is no Eudora for Unix 
:(


Thx


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