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Re: Hi BSD -

[Julian H. Stacey]

> > Since A.W.O.L bill is against that sort of thing I wonder why Lord
> > Jesus is not working with all his might to do so.
> >
> 
> Is this emailing tongues?
> 
> 
> Rod

Don't feed troll quiet.rainbows@gmail.com

Cheers,
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[slightly OT] Hi BSD -

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 18:13 -0400, Rod Person wrote:
> On 04/07/13 15:34, Lynn Steven Killingsworth wrote:
> > Hi BSD -
> >
> > I know on my websites that more worrisome than someone caught reading
> > my poetry as their own is that they have told something is mine that
> > is not.
> >
> > I was thinking about putting the ports tar on my BSD 10 when I was
> > actually successful.  I notice that apparently the talking point xorg
> > refresh and the touchstone kde4 artwork seem to be not on your servers.
> >
> > I was wondering whether even after my service that Lord Jesus has not
> > granted me access to a specially fortified server in the basement of a
> > Quebec Church Shrine?
> >
> > Since A.W.O.L bill is against that sort of thing I wonder why Lord
> > Jesus is not working with all his might to do so.
> >
> 
> Is this emailing tongues?

Or simply drug abuse?

Not that I read this crap myself, but it might be a help to change the
faith. This perhaps is alternative hocus-pocus for those who run into
issues when being on drugs
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/DrugAbuse.html

Still a little bit on topic, since Beastie might be an acquaintance of
Lord Jesus and Mephistopheles.

Hail Beastie

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Re: Hi BSD -

[Rod Person]

On 04/07/13 15:34, Lynn Steven Killingsworth wrote:
> Hi BSD -
>
> I know on my websites that more worrisome than someone caught reading
> my poetry as their own is that they have told something is mine that
> is not.
>
> I was thinking about putting the ports tar on my BSD 10 when I was
> actually successful.  I notice that apparently the talking point xorg
> refresh and the touchstone kde4 artwork seem to be not on your servers.
>
> I was wondering whether even after my service that Lord Jesus has not
> granted me access to a specially fortified server in the basement of a
> Quebec Church Shrine?
>
> Since A.W.O.L bill is against that sort of thing I wonder why Lord
> Jesus is not working with all his might to do so.
>

Is this emailing tongues?


Rod
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Hi BSD -

[Lynn Steven Killingsworth]

Hi BSD -

I know on my websites that more worrisome than someone caught reading my 
poetry as their own is that they have told something is mine that is not.


I was thinking about putting the ports tar on my BSD 10 when I was 
actually successful.  I notice that apparently the talking point xorg 
refresh and the touchstone kde4 artwork seem to be not on your servers.


I was wondering whether even after my service that Lord Jesus has not 
granted me access to a specially fortified server in the basement of a 
Quebec Church Shrine?


Since A.W.O.L bill is against that sort of thing I wonder why Lord Jesus 
is not working with all his might to do so.


--
Steve [Blue Seahorse]  ;~)
Quiet Rainbows, LLC
Poetry, chess, origami & FUN!
https://www.blueseahorsesreef.org
Poetry and commentary on the war;
https://www.blueleafsyndicate.org

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OT: Spam - Was: Re: HI

[Ralf Mardorf]

Please don't reply to spam, since this makes it harder to detect spam by
software.

Happy New Year!
Ralf

PS: I've broken the thread intendedly.

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Re: HI

[Alejandro Imass]

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HI

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Hi,
 
I was just reviewing your website and found it very interesting. I really like 
your website and services you are providing. I was wondering if we can work 
with you and help you with your business.
 
I would like to offer you our Hire Developer/Programmer service where you can 
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· Project control is totally on your hand (*no hidden conditions) as 
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· It’s save your time to find new developer for your projects. 
· Multiple options / hiring models to choose to hire developer.
· You can have every 10 minutes snapshots of your dedicated web 
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· High-speed communications and live chat conferencing capabilities.
 
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Hi

[D Dalal]

Hi,
 
I was just reviewing your website and found it very interesting.
I really like your website and services you are providing. I was wondering if
we can work with you and help you with your business.
 
I would like to offer you our Hire Developer/Programmer service
where you can hire our dedicated developer who will dedicatedly work for you.
We are having three different plans for the same like Full-Time, Part-Time and
Hourly. Currently, many of our clients are getting benefits from this service.
Let me share some of the benefits of our Hire Developer Service:
 
* Guaranteed to save you at least 75% of cost against having on site 
team / resources. 
* Compare it with fixed priced quote, it saves your minimum 35% of cost.
* No start up or maintenance cost compare to invest in onsite team.
* Project control is totally on your hand (*no hidden conditions) as 
you can co-ordinate with developer directly.
* It’s save your time to find new developer for your projects. 
* Multiple options / hiring models to choose to hire developer.
* You can have every 10 minutes snapshots of your dedicated web 
developer’s machine during work.
* High-speed communications and live chat conferencing capabilities.
 
I can share references of our existing clients who are currently
getting benefits from our Hire Developer service. You can know more about this
service from below link.
 
Build
Your Virtual Team:
http://www.narolainfotech.com/hire-web-developers.html
 
We, Narola are a leading Custom Software Development company based in India. We 
are having a good
experience in Custom Web Design and Development, Custom Mobile Application
Development,E-Commerce Solution, Real Estate Portal Development, etc.
 
Narola
Strengths:
-  7 years of successful operations
-  68 team members
-  Technology/Process maturity
-  500+ satisfied clients
 
Our
Skilled Team:
-  56 Experienced Programmers/Developers
-  6 Business Analyst
-  2 Project Manager
-  4 Graphic Designers
 
Our
Technology Expertise:
PHP,  ASP .NET (2.0, 3.5),
iOSSDK (iPhone/iPad), Android SDK and expert in their related CMS and
frameworks.
 
Web
Service/API Integration Expertise:
Twitter, Facebook, Google Checkout, PayPal, Skype. And many more
 
Other
Technologies Expertise:
jQuery, SOA, Web Services, XML, AJAX, and many more.
 
You can check our website to know more about us and our
services.
 
http://www.narolainfotech.com/
 
See
Narola Team at work: http://youtu.be/LOWJq1tE6aI
 
Let me know your views and we can discuss further on this. I
would be happy to share our past work details with you.
 
I look forward to your positive reply!!!
 
Regards,
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RE: Hi!

[Graeme Dargie]

-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gordon Cox
Sent: 12 August 2012 07:31
To: customer
Subject: Hi!

Hello customer,
 
You don't have to reply, this is a test.
I have a new website someurl.com
You are welcome!
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Well at least his surname is appropriate!
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Hi!

[Gordon Cox]

Hello customer,
 
You don't have to reply, this is a test.
I have a new website someurl.com
You are welcome!
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re. Hi i want to ask a question

[herbert langhans]

> Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9) is it 
> posible to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161 217 whit this 
> specs 500 mhz Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and 5gb HDD

I've been using even slower Thinkpads (300MHz), there are a few things
to be aware of.

Check on http://www.thinkwiki.org if the ethernet connection is
supported, also the graphic card (if you need a Windowmanager).
Soundcard can be an issue too.

Try to get some more RAM for it. On internet auctions you find them for
a few bucks, check on the thinkwiki if the type fits in. From 256MB on
it works well, good is 512. The slow processor doesnt matter much if you
have enough RAM.

Since the harddisk is not very large, you may want to take a look to
NetBSD (sorry FreeBSD-gurus). NetBSD is targeted at minimal or exotic
computers, you can easily install the precompiled packages without a
portstree. I use it for all my Thinkpads (Thinkpad 600, T23 and X31). 

Cheers
herb langhans

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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Polytropon]

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 04:05:36 -0400, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> On part 1, it might be possible to build things on the old
> machine, but only little things.

It _will_ work, it just will take some time. If that isn't
a major concern -- no problem. If the machine is low on RAM,
there should at least be sufficient swap space.



> Ports tree and source tree would really pinch the hard disk
> space (5 GB).

Using them via NFS (when needed) or as read-only source from
a CD could be possible. However, I'd suggest using the NFS
approach during installation time. On the described hardware,
the usage paradigm should be: "INSTALL ONCE, THEN KEEP USING".
If updates are required, using an "external compiler" would
be the best choice. In case you're only using precompiled
packages (installs via pkg_add -r), you don't need the ports
tree at all. For dealing with the system (from /usr/src), if
it has to be present on disk, /usr/obj could be used via NFS
on some scratch disk. There are many possibilities to get the
job done. They all require some time, but it _is_ possible.



> On part 2, do you mean lynx or links?  

I think it was links that also had a GUI port. There may
be other lightweight browsers (like dillo) that one could
consider using. Of course none of them will utilize "Flash". :-)



> Links can be built with graphics, there is even a DOS port,
> but a far cry from Firefox (try Midori?) which have no DOS ports.



> I think there is also w3m?

I know w3m is a very nice text mode browser, I can't say if
it has graphics support.



> Building the kernel is nowhere near as time-consuming as buildworld.

True, but if you update kernel and world, both have to be processes.
Otherwise, you could stay on the installed version level (e. g. 9.0)
and only tweak GENERIC into something that is more efficient. But
in that case, sources should not be altered.



> On my older computer, building a custom kernel took about 25 minutes
> for NetBSD, 75 minutes for FreeBSD 8.2, and 130 minutes for Gentoo
> Linux, and the Gentoo Linux kernel proved nonbootable.

That's normal. :-)



> On the last part, time required to download an ISO would depend on
> type of connection more than CPU speed.

Sure, no big CPU load. I just wanted to illustrate that this old
system could do things that some "modern" PCs fail to do: Just
imagine users complaining about skipping audio when they move
windows across the screen... :-)

And I still have the machine I described. "Mister Coffee" is
currently installed with FreeBSD 8.2, expecting to be used for
experimental projects as an internal file / IRC / maybe OA server.



-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Thomas Mueller]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:00:11 +0300 (EEST), Ivan Ivanov wrote:
> Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9)
> is it posible to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161
> 217 whit this specs 500 mhz Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and
> 5gb HDD

Polytropon  responded:

> It is very well possible, but you need to pay attention to
> a few things:

> 1. You won't be able to build things from source on that
> machine. Consider using packages for installation, or a
> second system to build and export (via NFS) the data required.

> 2. You will have to choose wisely what you install. You
> can install the OS plus X, and then be very selective
> regarding the applications. Firefox for example may be
> a bit heavy as a web browser, but there are alternatives,
> such as dillo or lynx (in graphics mode). Also choose your
> work and multimedia applications wisely. There _are_ still
> programs in the ports collection that are very low on bloat,
> but you need to do some research to find them.

> 3. For using your applications within the GUI, choose a
> good window manager, e. g. FVWM or XFCE 3 (not 4!), or
> IceWM or Blackbox or olvwm or something comparable. You
> need to try which one fits your needs. Maybe a tiling
> window manager would be even better -- but I can't recommend
> one, because their magic didn't open up to my ignorant
> mind yet. :-)

> 4. Refering to no. 1, you should also aim to build a custom
> kernel on another machine that exactly fits the hardware that
> you have present in the Thinkpad. Streamline your kernel.
> Make it reflect the present hardware configuration. Maybe
> there are even some options and tunables to make it run
> better than the GENERIC kernel.

> The main limiting factor I see is the 64 MB RAM. If you have
> the chance, try to upgrade it. I know that's not easily
> possible.

> Note: I've been using FreeBSD 4 and 5 on a 150 MHz Pentium (1)
> with 64 MB (later on: 128 MB) RAM and 8 GB disk. This machine
> could compile the world (even though it needed 24 h to do that),
> fetch an ISO via FTP, play MP3 music via xmms, and still offer
> a well responding web browsing experience using Opera. NO JOKE.
> "Mister Coffee" was my first FreeBSD workstation. :-)

On part 1, it might be possible to build things on the old machine, but only 
little things.

Ports tree and source tree would really pinch the hard disk space (5 GB).

Would you actually boot the IBM Thinkpad by network, keep source and ports 
trees on a newer computer's hard drive, do the building on the newer computer, 
and install by NFS?  I've thought of doing that, have no intention to upgrade 
FreeBSD 8.2 to 9.0 on old computer, where FreeBSD slice is 12 GB and I'd have 
to rebuild all ports , and in all likelihood bog down.

On part 2, do you mean lynx or links?  

Lynx is text-mode but can show images on a separate screen: I did that with 
DR-DOS 7.03 long ago and more recently FreeDOS.

Links can be built with graphics, there is even a DOS port, but a far cry from 
Firefox (try Midori?) which have no DOS ports.

I think there is also w3m?

Building the kernel is nowhere near as time-consuming as buildworld.

On my older computer, building a custom kernel took about 25 minutes for 
NetBSD, 75 minutes for FreeBSD 8.2, and 130 minutes for Gentoo Linux, and the 
Gentoo Linux kernel proved nonbootable.

On the last part, time required to download an ISO would depend on type of 
connection more than CPU speed.


Tom
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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Wojciech Puchar]

1. You won't be able to build things from source on that
machine. Consider using packages for installation, or a
second system to build and export (via NFS) the data required.


You can but... too slow


3. For using your applications within the GUI, choose a
good window manager, e. g. FVWM or XFCE 3 (not 4!), or
IceWM or Blackbox or olvwm or something comparable. You
need to try which one fits your needs. Maybe a tiling
window manager would be even better -- but I can't recommend
one, because their magic didn't open up to my ignorant
mind yet. :-)


Actually everything should work fine with window managers you mentioned. 
The real problems are "modern" programs like firefox.


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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Polytropon]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 22:00:11 +0300 (EEST), Ivan Ivanov wrote:
> Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9)
> is it posible to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161
> 217 whit this specs 500 mhz Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and
> 5gb HDD

It is very well possible, but you need to pay attention to
a few things:

1. You won't be able to build things from source on that
machine. Consider using packages for installation, or a
second system to build and export (via NFS) the data required.

2. You will have to choose wisely what you install. You
can install the OS plus X, and then be very selective
regarding the applications. Firefox for example may be
a bit heavy as a web browser, but there are alternatives,
such as dillo or lynx (in graphics mode). Also choose your
work and multimedia applications wisely. There _are_ still
programs in the ports collection that are very low on bloat,
but you need to do some research to find them.

3. For using your applications within the GUI, choose a
good window manager, e. g. FVWM or XFCE 3 (not 4!), or
IceWM or Blackbox or olvwm or something comparable. You
need to try which one fits your needs. Maybe a tiling
window manager would be even better -- but I can't recommend
one, because their magic didn't open up to my ignorant
mind yet. :-)

4. Refering to no. 1, you should also aim to build a custom
kernel on another machine that exactly fits the hardware that
you have present in the Thinkpad. Streamline your kernel.
Make it reflect the present hardware configuration. Maybe
there are even some options and tunables to make it run
better than the GENERIC kernel.

The main limiting factor I see is the 64 MB RAM. If you have
the chance, try to upgrade it. I know that's not easily
possible.

Note: I've been using FreeBSD 4 and 5 on a 150 MHz Pentium (1)
with 64 MB (later on: 128 MB) RAM and 8 GB disk. This machine
could compile the world (even though it needed 24 h to do that),
fetch an ISO via FTP, play MP3 music via xmms, and still offer
a well responding web browsing experience using Opera. NO JOKE.
"Mister Coffee" was my first FreeBSD workstation. :-)



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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Thomas Mueller]

from Ivan Ivanov :

> Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9) is it 
> posible to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161 217 whit this 
> specs 500 mhz Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and 5gb HDD

I think it would be possible, but there would not be enough RAM or disk space 
to rebuild the system (make buildworld) or build the bigger applications from 
the ports collection.  You might not have enough RAM to run (Mozilla) Firefox. 

There are some things you could do not involving the fancy stuff: server, maybe?

You could try to find something for older computers on distrowatch.com, such as 
Puppy Linux.

Julian Stacey responded:

> Sorry, duff advice, don't need to send enquirer off to Linux IMO ;-)

> I guess Linux probably can't shrink smaller than BSD,
> (though that could be an endless thread, custom kernels & 
> striping binaries, & older gcc being a Lot smaller etc)

> but Firefox & Gcc will be approx same size on both if same version.

> maybe the enquirer doesnt need firefox anyway,
> eg the router passing this mail runs 6.4, with 40M ram
> doesn't need firefox, does run proxy http & sendmail etc.

> Dont forget why Swap was invented. One doesnt Have to have tons of ram.
> Things might or not thrash depending on load etc.

> However ... 64M with X GUI sounds a stretch, 
> but then equally for modern BSD & Linux,

> Easier with older smaller versions of OS.
> (gcc thrashes building itself now on low memory machines)

Building big ports, including gcc, really can bog down on an old 
under-resourced computer, even with 256 MB RAM and 12 GB FreeBSD slice.

I speak from experience with both Linux and FreeBSD, through 8.2 on old 
computer.  NetBSD too (5.1_STABLE).

On this old computer, GNOME 3 live CDs and USB failed to boot and get to GUI: 
didn't work at all.

When I first responded on this thread, I didn't think of FreeDOS 
(www.freedos.org), but then you can't run anything close to Firefox on FreeDOS 
or any other DOS.  But FreeDOS would run with a 5 GB hard drive all in one 
FAT32 partition.

Work has been and is being done on FreeBSD to make it feasible to install 
application software via binary patches, that would come in useful on 
low-resource computers.  With 64 MB RAM, I'd look to a window manager like 
IceWM, or maybe JWM or Ratpoison, but certainly not KDE.

An old computer with insufficient RAM for fancy browsers and multimedia can 
still be useful for a server or router.

Tom
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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Reference:
> From: "Thomas Mueller"  
> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 20:09:17 -0400 
> Message-id:   <53.21.06836.dac26...@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> 

"Thomas Mueller" wrote:
> from Ivan Ivanov :
> 
> > Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9) is it 
> > posible to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161 217 whit this 
> > specs 500 mhz Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and 5gb HDD
> 
> I think it would be possible, but there would not be enough RAM or disk space 
> to rebuild the system (make buildworld) or build the bigger applications from 
> the ports collection.  You might not have enough RAM to run (Mozilla) 
> Firefox. 
> 
> There are some things you could do not involving the fancy stuff: server, 
> maybe?
> 
> You could try to find something for older computers on distrowatch.com, such 
> as Puppy Linux.


Sorry, duff advice, don't need to send enquirer off to Linux IMO ;-)

I guess Linux probably can't shrink smaller than BSD,
(though that could be an endless thread, custom kernels & 
striping binaries, & older gcc being a Lot smaller etc)

but Firefox & Gcc will be approx same size on both if same version.

maybe the enquirer doesnt need firefox anyway,
eg the router passing this mail runs 6.4, with 40M ram
doesn't need firefox, does run proxy http & sendmail etc.

Dont forget why Swap was invented. One doesnt Have to have tons of ram.
Things might or not thrash depending on load etc.

However ... 64M with X GUI sounds a stretch, 
but then equally for modern BSD & Linux,

Easier with older smaller versions of OS.
(gcc thrashes building itself now on low memory machines)

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Hi i want to ask a question

[Thomas Mueller]

from Ivan Ivanov :

> Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9) is it 
> posible to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161 217 whit this 
> specs 500 mhz Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and 5gb HDD

I think it would be possible, but there would not be enough RAM or disk space 
to rebuild the system (make buildworld) or build the bigger applications from 
the ports collection.  You might not have enough RAM to run (Mozilla) Firefox. 

There are some things you could do not involving the fancy stuff: server, maybe?

You could try to find something for older computers on distrowatch.com, such as 
Puppy Linux.

Tom
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[Ivan Ivanov]

Hi i want to ask a question about the new release of FreeBSD (9) is it posible 
to run this release /whit GUI/ in IBM Thinkpad 1161 217 whit this specs 500 mhz 
Intel Celeron processor 64mb Ram and 5gb HDD
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Re: Hi

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 08/30/2011 01:06 AM, Daniel Staal wrote:

FreeBSD may not be for you at this time.


I did not dare, but I agree with you for Spencer's case.

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Re: Hi

[Daniel Staal]

--As of August 28, 2011 2:09:30 PM -0700, Spencer Thompson is alleged to 
have said:



Dear FreeBSD.org,

I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
best package to get?  Will it work perfectly?  I want a package with the
manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books.


First off: Is this a new machine, or an older one?  IBM hasn't made 
Thinkpads in at least five years: They sold the business to Lenovo.  (Who 
has kept up the quality and design.)


If it's a new machine, which machine is it?  Most of the current-generation 
Thinkpads use the integrated Sandy Bridge graphics.  This is supported in 
-CURRENT, but not in 8.2.  There is also a keyboard interaction at boot 
under 8.2, that has been fixed.



What does Free in FreeBSD mean?  Does it mean Free as in Free of charge?
Or is there an alternate meaning?


Free of charge, free to use, free to read the source, free to modify, free 
to redistribute.  Most definitions of free are covered.  ;)



I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.  Is this the one?
Why is it free of charge when I want to pay for it?  I don't want
something stupid.


As others have said 'best' is an opinion, and dependent on which use you 
are putting the laptop to.  It is a very good one, for many uses.


However, given that you sound like a newcomer to the UNIX/OSS software 
world, and that *currently* your likely hardware (if you are buying a new 
Thinkpad) isn't fully supported by the standard distribution, FreeBSD may 
not be for you at this time.  If you are in that case, you'll find yourself 
working with untested and non-finalized software.


Daniel T. Staal

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Re: Hi

[Jerry McAllister]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 02:09:30PM -0700, Spencer Thompson wrote:

You have an interesting thing to start on and a worthwhile place
to begin your exploration, but you will need to do some studying.

It will be necessary to explore some things on the net.  
The Handbook is a good place to start.  There are other things
besides the Handbook that provide good information.  Some are pointed
to on the FreeBSD web page and some you can find with a little searching.

You can also buy some good books on installing, configuring and using
FreeBSD.

If you are unwilling to to the preparation - studying, searching
and downloading, you will probably not be successful.  So, if your
interest is real, start now to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

FreeBSD is a very good OS, even for a laptop.  You might have to 
verify that drivers are available for the particular peripherals
on the laptop you with to use.

You can purchase a CD set or DVD from which to install the latest
RELEASE of FreeBSD, but after installing, you will want to upgrade
to the latest security update which will happen by download over
the net.   You will also want to install some ports.  You will really
want to install the latest of those as well and that will requite
downloads over the net.  The update and port install utilities all
take care of these things for you.   Read and follow the Handbook.

Unless you choose not to, the OS man pages will be installed when
you do the main installation.   Then when you install a port, it
will install the man page for that port.  So, you can read man
pages locally - offline if needed.

Have fun.  You may think it is too hard, but in just a few days
of work and play, you will discover it is worth the effort.

jerry



> Dear FreeBSD.org,
> 
> I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
> best package to get?  Will it work perfectly?  I want a package with the
> manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books.
> 
> What does Free in FreeBSD mean?  Does it mean Free as in Free of charge?  Or
> is there an alternate meaning?
> 
> I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.  Is this the one?  Why
> is it free of charge when I want to pay for it?  I don't want something
> stupid.
> 
> I don't want to read the man-pages on the internet.  Or the manual on the
> internet.  Nor download anything.  I don't like that.
> 
> Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing?
>  That's all I need.
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Re: Hi

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 08/29/2011 12:09 AM, Spencer Thompson wrote:

Dear FreeBSD.org,


Hi,


I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
best package to get?  Will it work perfectly?


"Working perfectly" depends on your usage.
If some here tells you "yes" (or "no"), without asking for more _and_ 
precise details, you'll be right to have doubt.



I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.


IMHO, You'd better look for the best OS for you _usage_.


Is this the one?  Why
is it free of charge when I want to pay for it?  I don't want something
stupid.


Please, be serious :-).
Wanting the best is very good, but if you dont share several element of 
your criteria, it wont be possible to help.



I don't want to read the man-pages on the internet.  Or the manual on the
internet.  Nor download anything.  I don't like that.

Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing?


What's you business? What marketing tool do you need? Are you sure that 
is an OS level matter?


Anyway, that guy feels strange & weird.


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Re: Hi

[Polytropon]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:09:30 -0700, Spencer Thompson wrote:
> Dear FreeBSD.org,
> 
> I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
> best package to get? 

I would suggest to get the most recent RELEASE version.
Currently that's 8.2. Depending on the hardware you are
using, use i386 (the 32 bit system) or AMD64 (the 64 bit
system); note that you can run i386 on 64 bit hardware
without problems in most cases (except you need a specific
64 bit functionality).



> Will it work perfectly? 

This depends on the particular Thinkpad's hardware. See
the list of supported devices. The FAQ's chapter "Hardware
Compatibility" does have a good list:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/hardware.html

Also see the current release's hardware notes:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.2R/hardware.html

In case of questions, you may ask IBM for statements about their
FreeBSD support. A basic statement from my personal experience:
Whatever hardware is compatible to standards, it will work
without any problems.



> I want a package with the
> manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books.

Please see "Appendix A. Obtaining FreeBSD" in the FreeBSD
Handbook for information how to get FreeBSD:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors.html

Also see:

http://www.freebsd.org/where.html

And of course:

http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm

I think you'll also get suggestions from this list about
which books are recommended; "Absolute FreeBSD" is a book
commonly mentioned:

http://www.absolutefreebsd.com/

It can be ordered from No Starch Press.

Also note that you can - if you _want_ to - turn your local
manpages, the Handbook and FAQ into printable PS, which means
you can selectively print the sections that you need. The
tools to do this are provided by the system.



> What does Free in FreeBSD mean?  Does it mean Free as in Free of charge?  Or
> is there an alternate meaning?

"Free" means two things here: FreeBSD is a _free_ operating
system within the open source ecosystem; it's developed
by the FreeBSD team. And you can obtain it for _free_,
i. e. for no charge.

http://www.freebsd.org/about.html

Please see the web site as an excellent resource to answer
most of your questions. The main page

http://www.freebsd.org/

contains references to all relevant topics like online documentation,
mailing list archives, wikis and related projects.



> I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.  Is this the one? 

This depends on what you intend your laptop to be used for.
It therefore depends on the hardware you want to use, as well
as on the software.



> Why
> is it free of charge when I want to pay for it? 

You actually _can_ pay for it, e. g. by ordering media and
documentation from a vendor, or you can donate money to
the project. The strength of the FreeBSD system is that even
poor people can "afford" it as you don't need a pirated
copy (which is illegal in most legislations) in order to
use a professional, secure and versatile system.

So if you want to pay in order to support FreeBSD, see

http://www.freebsd.org/donations/

for where to direct donations at.

You can see that this is another meaning of "free" in
FreeBSD: You are free to pay for it if you want to.



> I don't want something
> stupid.

Be confident: You won't get.



> I don't want to read the man-pages on the internet.  Or the manual on the
> internet.  Nor download anything.  I don't like that.

Then FreeBSD is a good choice. All documentation is available
locally (man pages, Handbook, FAQ and so on). You don't need a
web browser or an Internet connection to access it. Most 3rd
party software available for FreeBSD shares this approach and
brings good documentation.



> Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing?
>  That's all I need.

No. The FreeBSD operating system brings an operating system,
nothing more or less. You will have to install the programs
you need because FreeBSD is a multifunctional OS, serving on
workstations, servers, combined forms and even embedded
systems. How _should_ it come with business applications
in such a case?

Furthermore, the term "business applications" is very wide.
What _are_ business applications - in YOUR case? Because
in _my_ case, business applications may likely be something
quite different from yours, and from anyone else's.

If you are interested in a FreeBSD system that comes with
KDE and lots of average productivity applications preinstalled
and preconfigured, check PC-BSD:

http://www.pcbsd.org/

See if this fits your needs.




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Re: Hi

[Aryeh Friedman]

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Spencer Thompson <
spencer.s.thomp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear FreeBSD.org,
>
> I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
> best package to get?  Will it work perfectly?  I want a package with the
> manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books.
>

Download the 8.2-RELEASE dvd


>
> What does Free in FreeBSD mean?  Does it mean Free as in Free of charge?
>  Or
> is there an alternate meaning?
>

It means many things including free of charge... it also means the freedom
to modify, etc.


>
> I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.  Is this the one?  Why
> is it free of charge when I want to pay for it?  I don't want something
> stupid.
>

What OS is best for a particular person depends on the applications you need
to run


> Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing?
>  That's all I need.
>

What specific applications do you have in mind?
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Hi

[Spencer Thompson]

Dear FreeBSD.org,

I would like to order a CD with FreeBSD for an IBM Thinkpad.  What is the
best package to get?  Will it work perfectly?  I want a package with the
manual, man-pages and how to use FreeBSD perfectly in books.

What does Free in FreeBSD mean?  Does it mean Free as in Free of charge?  Or
is there an alternate meaning?

I'm wanting the best operating system for my laptop.  Is this the one?  Why
is it free of charge when I want to pay for it?  I don't want something
stupid.

I don't want to read the man-pages on the internet.  Or the manual on the
internet.  Nor download anything.  I don't like that.

Does it come with all the applications I need for business and marketing?
 That's all I need.
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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Daniel Staal]

On Wed, July 27, 2011 7:58 am, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:06:57 +, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>  I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that ,
>> Ubuntu linux have given one
>> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and
>> any drive we want .
>> Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this
>> facility to our user .
>> So that people can experience freeBSD.
>
> Currently you cannot install FreeBSD from withing "Windows",
> if this is what you mean. FreeBSD is an operating system
> that needs to be booted _on_ the machine it should be
> installed to, as the installer requires that OS - just
> the same way you cannot simply "try" a "Windows" by
> installing it into, let's say... Solaris. :-)

I think the original poster was referring to the fact that Ubuntu actually
has an installer that can run as a Windows application, and will resize
your hard drive for you and install a dual-boot setup.  It does this while
you are running Windows, although it has to reboot the machine.  (Which it
will do automatically for you.)

It's very slick, and would be an interesting addition to FreeBSD, but I
don't think it's likely to be something that will get worked on soon. 
Ubuntu is targeted at non-technical users, especially ones not likely to
have run Linux (or any other open-source OS) before.  FreeBSD is largely
targeted at more technical users, and at the server space instead of the
desktop.  So such a tool would be a high priority for Ubuntu (as it makes
installing the OS much easier for a newbie), it's not the top of the list
for FreeBSD.

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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Polytropon]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:06:57 +, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:
> Hi all, 
>  I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
> linux have given one 
> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
> drive we want .
> Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility 
> to our user .
> So that people can experience freeBSD.

Currently you cannot install FreeBSD from withing "Windows",
if this is what you mean. FreeBSD is an operating system
that needs to be booted _on_ the machine it should be
installed to, as the installer requires that OS - just
the same way you cannot simply "try" a "Windows" by
installing it into, let's say... Solaris. :-)

Hint 1: You need to install FreeBSD in order to use it.
This is done by booting FreeBSD.

However, you can "install" (i. e. use) a system image for
a virtualisation software, e. g. for VMWare or VirtualPC.
You can use the default installation approaches (from CD
or DVD, from USB drive), or you can download a "turnkey"
solution that provides a preinstalled and preconfigured
system that you can run within "Windows" (using the VM
solution).

An example is VirtualBSD: http://www.virtualbsd.info/

Hint 2: You can use a VM solution.

You can _easily_ install a dual-boot solution for FreeBSD
and "Windows", but you have to do that from within the
FreeBSD installer, as mentioned above.

You can _also_ use PC-BSD to install a "normal" FreeBSD,
as well as the PC-BSD operating system (derived from FreeBSD).
This is also simple and easy.

Find more info here: http://www.pcbsd.org/

Hint 3: Dual-booting is easy. :-)

During _any_ of the installation methods mentioned, you
can define the target drive and the size of your installation.
Typically it is a hard disk, but it doesn't have to be.

More information is provided by the FreeBSD Handbook and
the FAQ, which you'll find here:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/faq/

FreeBSD provides excellent documentation that helps you
to do the easy task of installation.


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legal notices at the end of emails (was: Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot)

[Damien Fleuriot]

On 7/27/11 5:11 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
>> A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing
>> list that is available via an online archive... your "terms"
>> are violated just by sending an email to this mailing list.
> 
> Not necessarily.  It says [emphasis added]:
> 
>>> The contents of this eMail ... should not be disclosed
>>> to, ... anyone _other than the intended addressee(s)_ ...
>>> Any _unauthorized_ review ... is strictly prohibited ...
> 
> I don't see a problem provided the archived mailing list is
> considered to be among "the intended addressee(s)" and the
> sender is considered, by the act of sending it to an archived
> list, to have authorized the archiving (and implicitly any
> subsequent use of the archive).
>

All the same, any of you guys ever take this kind of notice seriously ?
I mean, really ?


See, you've actually read the e-mail prior to reading (and thus
accepting or refusing) the "legal" notice.

It's like me sending you an e-mail, with a footer saying "By reading
this e-mail you hereby forfeit all of your fortune, properties and
claims in favor of Pwnd LTD, who shall be the sole and universal
beneficiary, and has just done you good.".

Just because they appear in an e-mail and you've read that e-mail
doesn't mean you've acknowledged said terms, let alone accepted them.


I for one, on principle, decline to abide by such terms, which may in no
case be enforced on me, seeing I never accepted them in the first place.

One would have to get my consent to abide by their legal notice THEN
send me the actual contents.

Now, that would work.
Then again, on principle I would decline said terms so they couldn't
send me whatever they wanted...



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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[perryh]

Ryan Coleman  wrote:

> A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing
> list that is available via an online archive... your "terms"
> are violated just by sending an email to this mailing list.

Not necessarily.  It says [emphasis added]:

> > The contents of this eMail ... should not be disclosed
> > to, ... anyone _other than the intended addressee(s)_ ...
> > Any _unauthorized_ review ... is strictly prohibited ...

I don't see a problem provided the archived mailing list is
considered to be among "the intended addressee(s)" and the
sender is considered, by the act of sending it to an archived
list, to have authorized the archiving (and implicitly any
subsequent use of the archive).
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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Matthew Seaman]

On 26/07/2011 12:06, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:
>  I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
> linux have given one 
> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
> drive we want .
> Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility 
> to our user .
> So that people can experience freeBSD.

Hmmm... There's nothing wrong with this idea, but I doubt it's going to
be implemented in FreeBSD any time soon.  (Only if someone steps up to
the plate and provides patches probably.)  At the moment, FreeBSD is in
the throws of replacing the old sysinstall(8) with a brand-new, written
from scratch installer.  The focus is on getting the installer to
support all of the capabilities of the OS like ZFS or gmirror, and what
you propose is not a priority right now.

You can already build a dual-boot system, but you'll need to know how to
go beyond what the installer provides.  This is a core FreeBSD concept:
learning is desirable, so the OS doesn't try and hide the gory details
under a glossy GUI.  It's a bit off-putting to beginners, but you're
only a beginner for a relatively short time, and the FreeBSD way really
does pay dividends once you have some knowledge.

I heartily recommend PC-BSD for any beginner that wants to get their
feet wet and build a desktop BSD system -- essentially the same role
that Ubuntu is aimed at -- not that it isn't good for seasoned old
campaigners that just want to spin up a desktop quickly either.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Ryan Coleman]

A heads up about your footer: This email goes onto a mailing list that is 
available via an online archive... your "terms" are violated just by sending an 
email to this mailing list.


On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Ganesh Khedkar wrote:

> Hi all, 
> I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
> linux have given one 
> Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
> drive we want .
>Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility 
> to our user .
> So that people can experience freeBSD.
> 
> 
> P.S. : If i am wrong then please let me know .
> 
> Regards, 
> Ganesh K. 
> 
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Hi installing on windows dual boot

[Ganesh Khedkar]

Hi all, 
 I am new to FreeBSD , just wanted to give one suggestion that , Ubuntu 
linux have given one 
Nice facility to user that they can easily install Ubuntu in windows and any 
drive we want .
Even we can assign size to that drive . So cant we provide this facility to 
our user .
So that people can experience freeBSD.


P.S. : If i am wrong then please let me know .

Regards, 
Ganesh K. 

 


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Re: Hi es_MX internationalization needed.....

[Eric De La Cruz Lugo]

Bernt:

Thanks for your reply, I read it already, and ended my self reading the 
mklocale manuals

The problem i have now is where to find a suitable es_MX.UTF-8.src file, I 
looked here:

http://cvsup.hu.freebsd.org/viewvc/FreeBSD/src/share/mklocale/?sortby=file

to no avail.

Do you know or some one know here in the list where i can find a src file for 
es_MX.UTF-8 ?

Thanks in advance.

LIA Eric De La Cruz Lugo
Mérida, Yucatán, México, The MayaLand.

 




From: Bernt Hansson 
To: Eric De La Cruz Lugo 
Cc: freebsd-i...@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:24:32 PM
Subject: Re: Hi es_MX internationalization needed.

2010-06-03 03:37, Eric De La Cruz Lugo skrev:
> Hi to every one.
>
> I  have been checking the mail lists and haven`t found information about 
> es_MX localization, in Ubuntu, OpenSUSE and other Linux distributions this 
> can be achieved by something like.
>
>
> # locale-gen es_MX.UTF-8

Not the freebsd way of doing it.
hava a look at:

http://www.se.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n.html


> # locale-gen es_MX
> But on FreeBSD I can`t find any command or tool to perform this.
>
> there is a es_ES locale on FreeBSD.
>
> I thinked about generating the es_MX locale with a file like es_MX.UTF-8.src 
> or something like that, without success this is beyond my expertise right now.
>
> I need the es_MX because there is a postgreSQL database that "MUST" be 
> encoded with the es_MX encoding, for a project am working on.
>
> On KDE 4 on FreeBSD 8.0 I can changed the region to Mexico (es_MX), but I 
> can't change my locale variables (LC_) on my command line terminal.
>
> they look actually like this:
>
>
> [cursos] ~>  locale
> LANG=
> LC_CTYPE="es_ES.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE="es_ES.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME="es_ES.UTF-8"
> LC_NUMERIC="es_ES.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY="es_ES.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
> LC_ALL=
> [cursos] ~>
>
> On other server i have OpenSUSE 11.2 and have this:  (the way a needed it).
>
> edelac...@sgi:~>  locale
> LANG=es_MX.UTF-8
> LC_CTYPE="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_NUMERIC="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_PAPER="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_NAME="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_ADDRESS="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_TELEPHONE="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_MX.UTF-8"
> LC_ALL=
> edelac...@sgi:~>
>
>
> How do i do this on FreeBSD 8.0 i386 or amd64?
>
> Thanks in advance for your attention and help.
>
> LIA Eric De La Cruz Lugo.
>
>
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Hi es_MX internationalization needed.....

[Eric De La Cruz Lugo]

Hi to every one.

I  have been checking the mail lists and haven`t found information about es_MX 
localization, in Ubuntu, OpenSUSE and other Linux distributions this can be 
achieved by something like.


# locale-gen es_MX.UTF-8

# locale-gen es_MX
But on FreeBSD I can`t find any command or tool to perform this.

there is a es_ES locale on FreeBSD.

I thinked about generating the es_MX locale with a file like es_MX.UTF-8.src or 
something like that, without success this is beyond my expertise right now.

I need the es_MX because there is a postgreSQL database that "MUST" be encoded 
with the es_MX encoding, for a project am working on.
 
On KDE 4 on FreeBSD 8.0 I can changed the region to Mexico (es_MX), but I can't 
change my locale variables (LC_) on my command line terminal.

they look actually like this:


[cursos] ~> locale
LANG=
LC_CTYPE="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="es_ES.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
[cursos] ~>

On other server i have OpenSUSE 11.2 and have this:  (the way a needed it).

edelac...@sgi:~> locale
LANG=es_MX.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="es_MX.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=
edelac...@sgi:~>


How do i do this on FreeBSD 8.0 i386 or amd64?

Thanks in advance for your attention and help.

LIA Eric De La Cruz Lugo.


  
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Re: Hi - identifying cause of crash - a how to please

[David Southwell]

> David Southwell wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a specific situation which causes a system crash on freebsd 7.2 p3
> > amd64 on intel quad core.  Can someone teach me how to trace the cause?
> >
> > The crash is repeatable in the following circumstances:
> >
> >
> > (a) User logs in
> > (b) % startx
> > (c) kde4 loads and works the session
> > (d) user logs out x session terminates.
> > (e) user attempts to start a new x session with:
> > (f) % startx
> > (g) system crashes immediately
> >
> > System requires rebooting to single user mode. Run fsck -y and then go
> > multiuser. Whereupon the cycle can be repeated.
> >
> >
> > This event did not occur until kde was upgraded to kde 4.3.5.
> >
> > The video card is a winfast PX7800GT providing openGL with dual DVI. The
> > crash problem was not present before upgrading to 3.4.5 so whilst not
> > ruling out the card I am not assuming it is the video card.
> >
> > It would be helpful if the procedure could be identified clearly. I will
> > post the results available on the web so someone who knows how to
> > interpret them could take a look.
> >
> > Finally should I be asking this question on another maillist?
> 
> This is a good place to start, and if someone knows a better spot it will
> probably be indicated. I can't give you an in depth response, but maybe
> something to start with. The Kernel Debugging section of the Developer's
> Handbook may serve as an introduction to a few basics:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/
> 
> You can also start right away by examining the .xsession-errors file you
> will find in the users home directory. Also, in /var/log look for the
> Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old. After restarting from a crash, if you startx
> the first one will only contain info on that startup; the second one (.old)
> may contain some info on what happened at the time of the previous crash,
>  if it is indeed the X server crashing. Sometimes any errors to stdout may
>  appear in /var/log/messages.
> 
> Sometimes there may be informative error messages present which can be
> Googled, and other times nothing useful. The same with the .xsession-errors
> file - it usually contains information relevant to the applications which
> were running on top of X.
> 
> If you are running the nvidia driver and see some evidence that it may be
> responsible for the crash, you could try substituting the nv driver as a
> test. This might help isolate the problem to the nvidia driver. But where
>  to go from here is a good question. Sometimes if there is some problem wrt
>  the nvidia driver after some kind of upgrade doing a make, make deinstall,
>  and make reinstall of the nvidia driver port occasionally fixes something,
>  but this is a long shot.
> 
> Nvidia also has a web forum you might hunt around in. Also, if you are
>  doing startx to start KDE with a .xinitrc file in the users home dir (with
>  startkde in here), try it without so the default TWM window manager comes
>  up instead of KDE. Then do the restart test and see if it crashes.  This
>  is a good way to separate the problem from being X related and/or KDE
>  related.
> 
> -Mike
> 
Thanks mike
Will give all that a go.

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Re: Hi - identifying cause of crash - a how to please

[Michael Powell]

David Southwell wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I have a specific situation which causes a system crash on freebsd 7.2 p3
> amd64 on intel quad core.  Can someone teach me how to trace the cause?
> 
> The crash is repeatable in the following circumstances:
> 
> 
> (a) User logs in
> (b) % startx
> (c) kde4 loads and works the session
> (d) user logs out x session terminates.
> (e) user attempts to start a new x session with:
> (f) % startx
> (g) system crashes immediately
> 
> System requires rebooting to single user mode. Run fsck -y and then go
> multiuser. Whereupon the cycle can be repeated.
> 
> 
> This event did not occur until kde was upgraded to kde 4.3.5.
> 
> The video card is a winfast PX7800GT providing openGL with dual DVI. The
> crash problem was not present before upgrading to 3.4.5 so whilst not
> ruling out the card I am not assuming it is the video card.
> 
> It would be helpful if the procedure could be identified clearly. I will
> post the results available on the web so someone who knows how to
> interpret them could take a look.
> 
> Finally should I be asking this question on another maillist?
> 

This is a good place to start, and if someone knows a better spot it will 
probably be indicated. I can't give you an in depth response, but maybe 
something to start with. The Kernel Debugging section of the Developer's 
Handbook may serve as an introduction to a few basics:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/

You can also start right away by examining the .xsession-errors file you 
will find in the users home directory. Also, in /var/log look for the 
Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old. After restarting from a crash, if you startx 
the first one will only contain info on that startup; the second one (.old) 
may contain some info on what happened at the time of the previous crash, if 
it is indeed the X server crashing. Sometimes any errors to stdout may 
appear in /var/log/messages. 

Sometimes there may be informative error messages present which can be 
Googled, and other times nothing useful. The same with the .xsession-errors 
file - it usually contains information relevant to the applications which 
were running on top of X.

If you are running the nvidia driver and see some evidence that it may be 
responsible for the crash, you could try substituting the nv driver as a 
test. This might help isolate the problem to the nvidia driver. But where to 
go from here is a good question. Sometimes if there is some problem wrt the 
nvidia driver after some kind of upgrade doing a make, make deinstall, and 
make reinstall of the nvidia driver port occasionally fixes something, but 
this is a long shot.

Nvidia also has a web forum you might hunt around in. Also, if you are doing 
startx to start KDE with a .xinitrc file in the users home dir (with 
startkde in here), try it without so the default TWM window manager comes up 
instead of KDE. Then do the restart test and see if it crashes.  This is a 
good way to separate the problem from being X related and/or KDE related.

-Mike



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Hi - identifying cause of crash - a how to please

[David Southwell]

Hi

I have a specific situation which causes a system crash on freebsd 7.2 p3 
amd64 on intel quad core.  Can someone teach me how to trace the cause? 

The crash is repeatable in the following circumstances:


(a) User logs in
(b) % startx
(c) kde4 loads and works the session
(d) user logs out x session terminates.
(e) user attempts to start a new x session with:
(f) % startx
(g) system crashes immediately

System requires rebooting to single user mode. Run fsck -y and then go 
multiuser. Whereupon the cycle can be repeated.


This event did not occur until kde was upgraded to kde 4.3.5.

The video card is a winfast PX7800GT providing openGL with dual DVI. The crash  
problem was not present before upgrading to 3.4.5 so whilst not ruling out the 
card I am not assuming it is the video card.

It would be helpful if the procedure could be identified clearly. I will post 
the results available on the web so someone who knows how to interpret them 
could take a look.

Finally should I be asking this question on another maillist?

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Re: Hi! a question about log in dmesg

[Erik Trulsson]

On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 12:27:26PM -0600, Jesús Abidan wrote:
> Hi, there, i am a pretty good user in linux and i don't know i am getting
> some strange info in my dmesg file:
> 
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_addroute: v=(16)10fffe
> at_addroute: n=(16)10
> at_addroute: head=0xc42c1700 treenodes=0xc45b12e8
> at_addroute: returns rn=0xc45b12e8
> at_addroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_addroute: n=null
> at_addroute: head=0xc42c1700 treenodes=0xc45b126c
> at_addroute: returns rn=0xc45b126c
> at_delroute: v=(16)10ff00
> at_delroute: n=(16)10ff80
> at_delroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_delroute: returns rn=0xc45b2e88
> at_delroute: v=(16)10ff80
> at_delroute: n=(16)10ffc0
> at_delroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_delroute: returns rn=0xc45b2e0c

The above is (far too verbose) information about Appletalk routing.
You presumably have the sysutils/netatalk port installed and activated.



> 
> 
> and
> 
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 229 usec to 114 usec for pid 690 (devd)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 551 usec to 468 usec for pid 376
> (dhclient)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 1999 usec to 999 usec for pid 360
> (dhclient)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 39486 usec to 19742 usec for pid 360
> (dhclient)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 668 usec to 334 usec for pid 146
> (adjkerntz)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 57078 usec to 47420 usec for pid 51 (sh)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 1964549 usec to 1411651 usec for pid 51
> (sh)
> 
> 
> i know there is an issue about acpi and intel chipset or something like that
> but i have no results about changing things in bios. I have desactivate udma
> and no results. the firs message about at_matroute and delroute issues i
> have no idea.
> 
> Anyone has a clue???
> 
> greetings to everyone out there!
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Re: Hi! a question about log in dmesg

[Tim Judd]

On 11/7/09, Jesús Abidan  wrote:
> Hi, there, i am a pretty good user in linux and i don't know i am getting
> some strange info in my dmesg file:
>
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
> at_addroute: v=(16)10fffe
> at_addroute: n=(16)10
> at_addroute: head=0xc42c1700 treenodes=0xc45b12e8
> at_addroute: returns rn=0xc45b12e8
> at_addroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
> at_addroute: n=null
> at_addroute: head=0xc42c1700 treenodes=0xc45b126c
> at_addroute: returns rn=0xc45b126c
> at_delroute: v=(16)10ff00
> at_delroute: n=(16)10ff80
> at_delroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_delroute: returns rn=0xc45b2e88
> at_delroute: v=(16)10ff80
> at_delroute: n=(16)10ffc0
> at_delroute: head=0xc42c1700
> at_delroute: returns rn=0xc45b2e0c


What is your /boot/loader.conf

Do you boot with any options? (such as verbose boot, as an example)


>
>
> and
>
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 229 usec to 114 usec for pid 690 (devd)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 551 usec to 468 usec for pid 376
> (dhclient)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 1999 usec to 999 usec for pid 360
> (dhclient)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 39486 usec to 19742 usec for pid 360
> (dhclient)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 668 usec to 334 usec for pid 146
> (adjkerntz)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 57078 usec to 47420 usec for pid 51 (sh)
> calcru: runtime went backwards from 1964549 usec to 1411651 usec for pid 51
> (sh)

Symtoms like this would indicate you're running this in a virtual
machine.  The virtual machine's hardware clock and BSD is unable to
detect, or USE that clock.  So the kern.hz set at 1000 by default is
screwing up the virtual machine's "hardware" clock.


>
>
> i know there is an issue about acpi and intel chipset or something like that
> but i have no results about changing things in bios. I have desactivate udma
> and no results. the firs message about at_matroute and delroute issues i
> have no idea.
>
> Anyone has a clue???
>
> greetings to everyone out there!
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Hi! a question about log in dmesg

[Jesús Abidan]

Hi, there, i am a pretty good user in linux and i don't know i am getting
some strange info in my dmesg file:

at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
at_matroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
at_matroute: head=0xc42c1700
at_matroute: returnr rn=0xc45b126c
at_addroute: v=(16)10fffe
at_addroute: n=(16)10
at_addroute: head=0xc42c1700 treenodes=0xc45b12e8
at_addroute: returns rn=0xc45b12e8
at_addroute: v=(16)10ff007f00
at_addroute: n=null
at_addroute: head=0xc42c1700 treenodes=0xc45b126c
at_addroute: returns rn=0xc45b126c
at_delroute: v=(16)10ff00
at_delroute: n=(16)10ff80
at_delroute: head=0xc42c1700
at_delroute: returns rn=0xc45b2e88
at_delroute: v=(16)10ff80
at_delroute: n=(16)10ffc0
at_delroute: head=0xc42c1700
at_delroute: returns rn=0xc45b2e0c


and

calcru: runtime went backwards from 229 usec to 114 usec for pid 690 (devd)
calcru: runtime went backwards from 551 usec to 468 usec for pid 376
(dhclient)
calcru: runtime went backwards from 1999 usec to 999 usec for pid 360
(dhclient)
calcru: runtime went backwards from 39486 usec to 19742 usec for pid 360
(dhclient)
calcru: runtime went backwards from 668 usec to 334 usec for pid 146
(adjkerntz)
calcru: runtime went backwards from 57078 usec to 47420 usec for pid 51 (sh)
calcru: runtime went backwards from 1964549 usec to 1411651 usec for pid 51
(sh)


i know there is an issue about acpi and intel chipset or something like that
but i have no results about changing things in bios. I have desactivate udma
and no results. the firs message about at_matroute and delroute issues i
have no idea.

Anyone has a clue???

greetings to everyone out there!
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Re: hi

[Sean Cavanaugh]

instead of editors/pico, try editors/nano

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Subject: Re: hi

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:11:46 +, Saifi Khan  
wrote:

Gentoo userland and emerge tools are easier and elegant though not
certainly superior to FreeBSD make mechanism.  This is based on my
personal experience as i heavily use Gentoo Linux and FreeBSD on older
hardware.  And offcourse, i can easily emerge pine 4.64 on Gentoo but
there is no way i can do it on FreeBSD.


You can always check out `ports/mail/pine4' from a date before its
removal from the ports/ tree and build it on FreeBSD too.  If you need
help with maintaining a local copy of the relevant ports (`mail/pine4',
`mail/pine4-ssl', and `editors/pico') let me know and I'll write a short
mini-guide for checking out the ports before their removal and building
them as local ports.

The source for these ports is no longer maintained, and they may pose a
security risk if you use them on multi-user machines --- especially if
untrusted users have local shell access --- but if you want to shoot
your foot, the Ports tree already provides gun & ammo to do that :-)

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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 02:28:51AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:52:00 -0700, Chad Perrin  wrote:
> >
> > Wait -- what?  Keeping it out of the core isn't good enough . . . ?
> 
> I'm sorry Chad.  I lost you there.  What 'core' are we talking about?

I'm talking about the base system, as opposed to the ports system.  Sorry
about the confusion, I've been reading a lot about core-vs.-library
choices for a couple of different programming languages, and accidentally
swapped terminology when referring to FreeBSD.

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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 02:25:22AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> 
> I think this is already done with doc <=> wiki stuff.  I am not very good
> at writing wiki documentation, but I have installed a Wiki as the starting
> page of my laptop's lighttpd instance, in an effort to learn more about
> wiki writing by pushing myself to use it for personal notes.
> 
> Maybe we can wikify some of the stuff that is not really Handbook-material?
> 
> I can definitely try doing that :)

I'd definitely support such an effort.

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Re: hi

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:52:00 -0700, Chad Perrin  wrote:
>On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:19:30 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar 
>> wrote:
>>> alpine works fine
>>
>> I know.  That's why I am not in favor of maintaining pine4 *in* the
>> Ports tree.  If someone wants to blow their foot off, however, then
>> it's fine with me, as long as they know what they are doing when they
>> point the "cvs update" gun backwards in time :)
>
> Wait -- what?  Keeping it out of the core isn't good enough . . . ?

I'm sorry Chad.  I lost you there.  What 'core' are we talking about?

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Re: hi

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:09:51 -0500, Jerry  wrote:
> Specifically, what is it we are uncomfortable putting in the handbook?
> More importantly, what good is a handbook if it is not complete?

That's one way of looking at it.  The obsessive compulsive perfectionist
perspective is that a Handbook is *never* complete, because by the time
you have finished writing about something in a professional, clean and
amusing to read manner, it has been superseded by recent advances :-)

> Would the documentation be cross indexed so a user could find more
> details on a particular subject?  Personally, while perfectly
> plausible, it sounds like more work than it is worth.

The cross-indexing bits are what made me think about our Wiki while
pondering how to write this sort of stuff.  I will experiment by writing
in plain text first, wikifying bits and pieces later, and see where this
leads me.

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Re: hi

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:50:41 -0700, Chad Perrin  wrote:
>On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:15:35PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> Documenting such local 'hacks' in the Handbook is a bit like rubber
>> stamping them with the official 'recommended by FreeBSD' seal of
>> approval.  I am not sure I would like that a lot.  Serious security
>> problems may exist in stale, unmaintained ports.  It would be a bit
>> bad to make it sound like the entire FreeBSD project approves and
>> even recommends this sort of thing.
>
> I can see both sides of this argument.  Maybe we need to split up FreeBSD
> documentation into two domains, similarly to the way FreeBSD software is
> split into two domains (core and ports) -- and thus have a place outside
> the FreeBSD handbook for the same, more-than-professional quality of
> documentation, but covering things we wouldn't be comfortable putting in
> the FreeBSD Handbook itself.

I think this is already done with doc <=> wiki stuff.  I am not very good
at writing wiki documentation, but I have installed a Wiki as the starting
page of my laptop's lighttpd instance, in an effort to learn more about
wiki writing by pushing myself to use it for personal notes.

Maybe we can wikify some of the stuff that is not really Handbook-material?

I can definitely try doing that :)

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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 04:09:51PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:50:41 -0700
> Chad Perrin  wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >I can see both sides of this argument.  Maybe we need to split up
> >FreeBSD documentation into two domains, similarly to the way FreeBSD
> >software is split into two domains (core and ports) -- and thus have a
> >place outside the FreeBSD handbook for the same,
> >more-than-professional quality of documentation, but covering things
> >we wouldn't be comfortable putting in the FreeBSD Handbook itself.
> 
> Specifically, what is it we are uncomfortable putting in the handbook?
> More importantly, what good is a handbook if it is not complete? Would
> the documentation be cross indexed so a user could find more details on
> a particular subject? Personally, while perfectly plausible, it sounds
> like more work than it is worth.

Did you miss the part where Giorgos Keramidas objected to adding a
context specific hack to the FreeBSD Handbook because that would give it
the appearance of official sanction?

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Re: hi

[Jerry]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:50:41 -0700
Chad Perrin  wrote:

[snip]

>I can see both sides of this argument.  Maybe we need to split up
>FreeBSD documentation into two domains, similarly to the way FreeBSD
>software is split into two domains (core and ports) -- and thus have a
>place outside the FreeBSD handbook for the same,
>more-than-professional quality of documentation, but covering things
>we wouldn't be comfortable putting in the FreeBSD Handbook itself.

Specifically, what is it we are uncomfortable putting in the handbook?
More importantly, what good is a handbook if it is not complete? Would
the documentation be cross indexed so a user could find more details on
a particular subject? Personally, while perfectly plausible, it sounds
like more work than it is worth.

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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:11:55PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:19:30 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar 
>  wrote:
> >
> > alpine works fine
> 
> I know.  That's why I am not in favor of maintaining pine4 *in* the
> Ports tree.  If someone wants to blow their foot off, however, then it's
> fine with me, as long as they know what they are doing when they point
> the "cvs update" gun backwards in time :)

Wait -- what?  Keeping it out of the core isn't good enough . . . ?

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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:15:35PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> 
> Documenting such local 'hacks' in the Handbook is a bit like rubber
> stamping them with the official 'recommended by FreeBSD' seal of
> approval.  I am not sure I would like that a lot.  Serious security
> problems may exist in stale, unmaintained ports.  It would be a bit
> bad to make it sound like the entire FreeBSD project approves and even
> recommends this sort of thing.

I can see both sides of this argument.  Maybe we need to split up FreeBSD
documentation into two domains, similarly to the way FreeBSD software is
split into two domains (core and ports) -- and thus have a place outside
the FreeBSD handbook for the same, more-than-professional quality of
documentation, but covering things we wouldn't be comfortable putting in
the FreeBSD Handbook itself.

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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 06:01:54PM +0200, Reko Turja wrote:
> 
> What I find ironic, is that the talent drifts either to fully 
> commercial projects, or those which are licensed under BSD - and in 
> many cases even both.

What's so ironic about that?

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Re: hi

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:04:48 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
>Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> You can always check out ... from a date before its removal from
>> the ports/ tree ...  If you need help with maintaining a local
>> copy of the relevant ports ...  let me know and I'll write a short
>> mini-guide for checking out the ports before their removal and
>> building them as local ports.
>
> This sounds as if it would make a good Handbook section.

Documenting such local 'hacks' in the Handbook is a bit like rubber
stamping them with the official 'recommended by FreeBSD' seal of
approval.  I am not sure I would like that a lot.  Serious security
problems may exist in stale, unmaintained ports.  It would be a bit
bad to make it sound like the entire FreeBSD project approves and even
recommends this sort of thing.

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Re: hi

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:19:30 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar 
 wrote:
>> mini-guide for checking out the ports before their removal and building
>> them as local ports.
>>
>> The source for these ports is no longer maintained, and they may pose a
>> security risk if you use them on multi-user machines --- especially if
>> untrusted users have local shell access --- but if you want to shoot
>> your foot, the Ports tree already provides gun & ammo to do that :-)
>
> alpine works fine

I know.  That's why I am not in favor of maintaining pine4 *in* the
Ports tree.  If someone wants to blow their foot off, however, then it's
fine with me, as long as they know what they are doing when they point
the "cvs update" gun backwards in time :)

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Re: hi

[Reko Turja]

--
From: "Kevin Kinsey" 
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:24 PM


I think that one of FBSD's guiding principles is *correctness*
... or, at least, that's one of the higher values of the
community.  By way of evidence, I present the following
terms, used frequently in correspondence on these lists:


What I find ironic, is that the talent drifts either to fully 
commercial projects, or those which are licensed under BSD - and in 
many cases even both. If I want an unixlike OS that does what I need 
with minimal fuss and where things are added due their merit in 
improving usability/speed/stability rather results in artificial tests 
the OS will be one of the BSD's. The quality of the BSD licensed 
software added with the quality of documentation (Cyrus might be the 
exception as the documentation goes...) just far exceeds anything else 
available for free or "free".


FreeBSD might not support every gadget out there, but for the most 
part, the supported selection has always been good enough for the use 
I have. For that thanks go to the core team and other coders and 
documentation writers as well as people testing releases and betas 
without just shutting up when they hit trouble, but reporting the said 
problems so they will hopefully get fixed for every user.


-Reko 


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Re: hi

[Wojciech Puchar]

mini-guide for checking out the ports before their removal and building
them as local ports.

The source for these ports is no longer maintained, and they may pose a
security risk if you use them on multi-user machines --- especially if
untrusted users have local shell access --- but if you want to shoot
your foot, the Ports tree already provides gun & ammo to do that :-)



alpine works fine
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Re: hi

[Wojciech Puchar]

You haven't still explained, (as suggested by your kindself ) why the
new user must keep buying new network interface cards just to make
FreeBSD run (when most of those cards will work fine with Linux).


because his existing is not supported by FreeBSD - because it's 
manufacturer don't want it.


That's simple. FreeBSD runs very well on old computer you can buy for 
50$ and are usually well supported - good for a new user.


He then will buy new powerful machine with right hardware if he/she really 
need it.


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Re: hi

[Saifi Khan]

Hi Wojciech:

You haven't still explained, (as suggested by your kindself ) why the
new user must keep buying new network interface cards just to make
FreeBSD run (when most of those cards will work fine with Linux).

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Re: hi

[Saifi Khan]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Kevin Kinsey  wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +, Saifi Khan wrote:

 The existing users provide continuity not growth. To be popular
 FreeBSD needs growth.
>
>
> I think that one of FBSD's guiding principles is *correctness*
> ... or, at least, that's one of the higher values of the community.

Higher value ? sounds to me like an overdraft limit !

It still doesn't explain, (as suggested by Wojciech) why the new user must
keep buying new network interface cards just to make FreeBSD run
(when most of those cards will work fine with Linux).

> By way of evidence, I present the following
> terms, used frequently in correspondence on these lists:
>
>It Just Works(tm)
>The Right Way(tm)
>"canonical"
>P.O.L.A.
>
> And be sure and check today's .sig ;-)
>
> Kevin Kinsey
> --
> Grandpa used to say --- "What is right is not always popular,
>and what is popular is not always right."

You're right, Grandpa used to run the guzzler Buick which "IS" neither
popular nor right !

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Re: hi

[Saifi Khan]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM, cpghost  wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +, Saifi Khan wrote:
>> The existing users provide continuity not growth. To be popular
>> FreeBSD needs growth.
>> Growth comes from new users !
>
> The main driving force is to attract good developers who like technical 
> challenges and who love to tinker.
>

How is this different from Linux kernel ?


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Re: hi

[perryh]

> You can always check out ... from a date before its removal from
> the ports/ tree ...  If you need help with maintaining a local
> copy of the relevant ports ...  let me know and I'll write a short
> mini-guide for checking out the ports before their removal and
> building them as local ports.

This sounds as if it would make a good Handbook section.
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Re: hi

[Chad Perrin]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:54:37PM +0800, GrimJow Espada wrote:
> what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
> freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd

I suppose, if the Gentoo/BSD project brings the stability of Gentoo to
the name BSD, we might expect FreeBSD's reputation to be unfairly
tarnished by association.  On the other hand, just as Firefox has proven
to be sort of a "gateway drug" for people on MS Windows who are
encouraged to try something new (and open source) for an OS as well, I
suppose Gentoo/BSD might bring more intelligent people who have something
valuable to contribute to the world of FreeBSD, with only a brief stop in
the land of Gentoo/BSD.

I guess time will tell.

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Re: hi

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:11:46 +, Saifi Khan  wrote:
> Gentoo userland and emerge tools are easier and elegant though not
> certainly superior to FreeBSD make mechanism.  This is based on my
> personal experience as i heavily use Gentoo Linux and FreeBSD on older
> hardware.  And offcourse, i can easily emerge pine 4.64 on Gentoo but
> there is no way i can do it on FreeBSD.

You can always check out `ports/mail/pine4' from a date before its
removal from the ports/ tree and build it on FreeBSD too.  If you need
help with maintaining a local copy of the relevant ports (`mail/pine4',
`mail/pine4-ssl', and `editors/pico') let me know and I'll write a short
mini-guide for checking out the ports before their removal and building
them as local ports.

The source for these ports is no longer maintained, and they may pose a
security risk if you use them on multi-user machines --- especially if
untrusted users have local shell access --- but if you want to shoot
your foot, the Ports tree already provides gun & ammo to do that :-)

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Re: hi

[Kevin Kinsey]

Wojciech Puchar wrote:

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +, Saifi Khan wrote:

The existing users provide continuity not growth. To be popular
FreeBSD needs growth.



I think that one of FBSD's guiding principles is *correctness*
... or, at least, that's one of the higher values of the
community.  By way of evidence, I present the following
terms, used frequently in correspondence on these lists:

It Just Works(tm)
The Right Way(tm)
"canonical"
P.O.L.A.

And be sure and check today's .sig ;-)

Kevin Kinsey
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Re: hi

[prad]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:07:44 +
Saifi Khan  wrote:

> To be popular
> FreeBSD needs growth.
>
possibly, but being popular is not necessarily a good idea.

> Growth comes from new users !
>
neither is growth.

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Re: hi

[Wojciech Puchar]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +, Saifi Khan wrote:

The existing users provide continuity not growth. To be popular
FreeBSD needs growth.


completely not true


Growth comes from new users !


growth comes from user requirements that do make sense. no matter if it's 
new or old users.

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Re: hi

[Matthew Seaman]

Wojciech Puchar wrote:

FreeBSD popularity will be affected if the big cats (ie. networking
companies) continue to ""not contribute"" back the


this will affect their sales - FreeBSD user will simply buy network card 
from another manufacturer.


I think the keywords here are more 'Juniper' and 'Cisco' (both of whom have
products either based on FreeBSD or incorporating quantities of FreeBSD
code, and neither of whom are in the business of making network cards that
I know of) rather than 'Intel' and 'Broadcom' (not that Intel has anything
to be ashamed of with regard to their support of their NICs under *BSD. If
anything they are the model that we would encourage other companies to
emulate).

In any case, why should companies be constrained to open their code as
the only way of giving back to an opensource community?  I agree
that it would be desirable, but commercial realities are such that it's not
going to happen any time soon.  Companies do have other routes to 'give back'
-- donations of money or equipment, sponsoring development projects or
conferences, providing day-time employment for FreeBSD developers, even just
publicly acknowledging that they use FreeBSD technology.  None of which is
required by the terms of the license, but frequently seems to happen anyhow.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: hi

[cpghost]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 04:07:44PM +, Saifi Khan wrote:
> The existing users provide continuity not growth. To be popular
> FreeBSD needs growth.
> Growth comes from new users !

It depends on the kind of new users. The aim of FreeBSD is not to be
the most popular OS out there. Has never been. The main driving force
is to attract good developers who like technical challenges and who
love to tinker. It's nice to have a solid and large user base, but
IMHO, that's not the main priority.

Regards,
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Re: hi

[Saifi Khan]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Wojciech Puchar
 wrote:
>> FreeBSD popularity will be affected if the big cats (ie. networking
>> companies) continue to ""not contribute"" back the
>
> this will affect their sales - FreeBSD user will simply buy network card
> from another manufacturer.
>

How a "new" user becomes a FreeBSD user ? by buying network cards all the time ?

The existing users provide continuity not growth. To be popular
FreeBSD needs growth.
Growth comes from new users !

Do you see my point ?

>> Does anybody know where FreeBSD (in particular) (NetBSD and OpenBSD)
>> is headed ? What is the road map ?
>
> i wish the same as is now. STABLE & FAST unix-type operating environment.
>

Does anybody know where FreeBSD is headed ?

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Re: hi

[Wojciech Puchar]

FreeBSD popularity will be affected if the big cats (ie. networking
companies) continue to ""not contribute"" back the


this will affect their sales - FreeBSD user will simply buy network card 
from another manufacturer.



Does anybody know where FreeBSD (in particular) (NetBSD and OpenBSD)
is headed ? What is the road map ?


i wish the same as is now. STABLE & FAST unix-type operating 
environment.


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Re: hi

[Saifi Khan]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM, GrimJow Espada
 wrote:
> what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
> freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd
>

FreeBSD popularity will be affected if the big cats (ie. networking
companies) continue to ""not contribute"" back the
enhancements/modifications to the kernel, networking stack,
optimizations etc etc !

Gentoo userland and emerge tools are easier and elegant though not
certainly superior to FreeBSD make mechanism.
This is based on my personal experience as i heavily use Gentoo Linux
and FreeBSD on older hardware.
And offcourse, i can easily emerge pine 4.64 on Gentoo but there is no
way i can do it on FreeBSD.

Does anybody know where FreeBSD (in particular) (NetBSD and OpenBSD)
is headed ? What is the road map ?

Please don't tell me that *BSD is a nice community project (which it
is) and the charter is to flip burgers (i mean code) for the next
networking company to take the code and run away !

i'm very hopeful that somebody will share some insight on the road map.

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Re: hi

[GrimJow Espada]

hah! ok!

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Remorque  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM, GrimJow Espada  > wrote:
>
>> what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
>> freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd
>
>
> @Espada,
>
> According to you, is Gentoo/BSD the same thing as FreeBSD?
> And haven't you heard of PCBSD, DesktopBSD, DragonflyBSD?
> Just let Gentoo/BSD be and live your life:-)
>
>
> --
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> Nairobi,KE
> +254733744121/+254722743223
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Re: hi

[Wojciech Puchar]

what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd

so don't use it - like me.

that's all :)

what a problem?
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Re: hi

["Remorque"]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM, GrimJow Espada
wrote:

> what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
> freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd


@Espada,

According to you, is Gentoo/BSD the same thing as FreeBSD?
And haven't you heard of PCBSD, DesktopBSD, DragonflyBSD?
Just let Gentoo/BSD be and live your life:-)


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Re: hi

[Glen Barber]

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:54 AM, GrimJow Espada
 wrote:
> what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
> freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd

How would this affect FreeBSD?

If you don't like Gentoo or Gentoo/BSD, the (very simple) solution is:
don't use it.

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hi

[GrimJow Espada]

what will happen to FreeBSD if Gentoo/BSD is already out, does it affect
freebsd popularity? i dont like gentoo or gentoo/bsd
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Re: Hi

[pugal pugal]

Hi all
 While using ipfilter i got an issue

i have done is ioctl the result is sucess
In that i wrote a rule to deny connection from x.x.x.x

ioctl(fd, SIOCADDFR, struct frentry **)

I gone to route prompt and saw the statistics

ipfstat -i

i correctly shows my rule.

But he is not executing it.

Anyone know about this..

please let me know..








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sebastian.tym...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> If you don't want to do this using server features you should do it in your
> program
> (like in config file).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Shamrock
>
> 2008/12/10 pugal pugal 
>
>> Hi all
>> I will explain the scenario clearly.
>>
>> I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I
>> accepts all the client.
>>
>> Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 .
>>
>> I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny.
>>
>> For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly.
>> Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington > >wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi all
>> >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
>> >> hosts.deny and ipfilter.
>> >
>> >
>> > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-)
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
>> > Nairobi,KE
>> > +254733744121/+254722743223
>> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>> > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic,
>> > unlike our MPs!"
>> > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> With Regards
>> Pugal
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Re: Hi

[Mario Lobo]

On Wednesday 10 December 2008 08:07:39 Sebastian Tymków wrote:
> Hello,
>
> If you don't want to do this using server features you should do it in your
> program
> (like in config file).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Shamrock
>
> 2008/12/10 pugal pugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Hi all
> > I will explain the scenario clearly.
> >
> > I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I
> > accepts all the client.
> >
> > Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 .
> >
> > I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny.
> >
> > For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly.
> > Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >wrote:
> > >> Hi all
> > >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
> > >> hosts.deny and ipfilter.
> > >
> > > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> > > Nairobi,KE
> > > +254733744121/+254722743223
> > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel
> > > philanthropic, unlike our MPs!"
> > > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks
> > With Regards
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It seems you wrote the code, so you have the power. Just check the client's IP 
after accept()ing the connection. Then fork(), close(), etc...

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Re: Hi

[Sebastian Tymków]

Hello,

If you don't want to do this using server features you should do it in your
program
(like in config file).

Best regards,

Shamrock

2008/12/10 pugal pugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi all
> I will explain the scenario clearly.
>
> I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I
> accepts all the client.
>
> Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 .
>
> I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny.
>
> For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly.
> Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly.
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
> >> hosts.deny and ipfilter.
> >
> >
> > Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> > Nairobi,KE
> > +254733744121/+254722743223
> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> > "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic,
> > unlike our MPs!"
> > -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> With Regards
> Pugal
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Re: Hi

[Ivan Voras]

pugal pugal wrote:
> Hi all
> I will explain the scenario clearly.
> 
> I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I
> accepts all the client.
> Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 .

It looks like you are writing a server, therefore you can check the
addresses yourself if you don't want to use libwrap. It's easy to do.

Either that, or read host_access(3), or use some other library from the
ports that does the same thing.



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Re: Hi

[pugal pugal]

Hi all
I will explain the scenario clearly.

I have a server program say server.c listening on some XXX port-number.I
accepts all the client.

Now i want to DENY only the particular client say x.x.x.x/16 .

I want to deny that Client by not using hosts.deny.

For this scenario what can i do?? If anyone knows Let me explain clearly.
Since i am very new to this.please explain clearly.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Odhiambo Washington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
>> hosts.deny and ipfilter.
>
>
> Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-)
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
> Nairobi,KE
> +254733744121/+254722743223
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> "Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic,
> unlike our MPs!"
> -- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament.
>



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Thanks
With Regards
Pugal
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Re: Hi

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, pugal pugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi all
> Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
> hosts.deny and ipfilter.


Let the "service" listen on 127.0.0.1 or just don't start it:-)


-- 
Best regards,
Odhiambo WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254733744121/+254722743223
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
"Okay guys. This is Kenya. You pay taxes because you feel philanthropic,
unlike our MPs!"
-- Kenneth Marende, Speaker, 10th Parilament.
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Re: Hi

[Wojciech Puchar]

Hi all
Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
hosts.deny and ipfilter.


using ipfw for example ;)





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Hi

[pugal pugal]

Hi all
Did anyone knows how to deny the TCP connection Without using
hosts.deny and ipfilter.



Thanks
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Re: Hi

[Chris Hill]

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, Justin Archer wrote:

Hi, I have just purchased a new Dell Server, to run with Plesk. I have 
just moved from an Apple XServe and seeing that OS X derived from 
FreeBSD, I felt that it was the best choice to start with. My only 
dilemma is, I am wanting to run the system in 64-bit, with using the 
Intel Quad 2.5Ghz Xeon, but I am unsure as to which version I should 
be downloading.


For plesk, I need to use version 6.1 and had read somewhere that I 
would use the AMD 64-bit version, can you confirm if this is correct 
for an Intel processor?


Justin,

Yes, you want amd64 if this is a modern 64-bit Intel CPU. As was pointed 
out recently when someone asked more or less the same question, the 
"amd" refers to the architecture, not the chip manufacturer.


I know nothing about plesk, but are you sure you *must* have 6.1? The 
legacy production release is now at 6.3. I've never built a 64-bit 
machine, but given the present situation I'd absolutely go with 7.0 for 
a new install, at least for a 32-bit system.


A note, if I may. I have been on this list for many years and can say 
without hesitation that you're unlikely to get an answer when your 
subject line reads "Hi". You may want to repost with a subject line that 
more accurately describes your question.


HTH.

--
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Hi

[Justin Archer]

Hi, I have just purchased a new Dell Server, to run with Plesk. I have  
just moved from an Apple XServe and seeing that OS X derived from  
FreeBSD, I felt that it was the best choice to start with. My only  
dilemma is, I am wanting to run the system in 64-bit, with using the  
Intel Quad 2.5Ghz Xeon, but I am unsure as to which version I should  
be downloading.


For plesk, I need to use version 6.1 and had read somewhere that I  
would use the AMD 64-bit version, can you confirm if this is correct  
for an Intel processor?


Many Thanks


Justin Archer
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Re: Hi - followed FAQ but can't mount USB key as user

[Andy Elvey]

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Andy,

On Jan 8, 2008 9:48 AM, Andy Elvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hi all -

 I've recently installed FreeBSD 6.2-release - very impressed!

Just a small problem. I'm unable to mount my USB key as a user.  ( I can
mount it as root,  using the
command  "mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt "  )

This is what I get when I try to mount it as a user -
$ mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /home/andy
mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Permission denied

$ mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt
mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Operation not permitted

I followed the instructions in the FAQ ( section 9.23 ) to the letter (
the only change being that that doesn't mention
USB devices, so I've substituted the USB device name  da0 for the device
names there.  )



hmmm, freebsd.org seems to be broken for me

- man devfs.rules

- create /etc/devfs.rules: ( substitute wheel for the group you want )

[localrules=10]
add path 'da*s*' mode 0660 group wheel

- append to /etc/rc.conf:

devfs_system_ruleset="localrules"

- make sure the dir you are mounting on is owned by the user who
issues the mount command.

- make sure vfs.usermount=1

- reboot after changing devfs.rules & rc.conf

worked for me, let us know if it worked for you.

regards,

usleep
  

 Hi usleep - many thanks for this!   I'll let you know soon :-)
 Bye for now -
- Andy




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Re: Hi - followed FAQ but can't mount USB key as user

[usleepless]

Andy,

On Jan 8, 2008 9:48 AM, Andy Elvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all -
>
>  I've recently installed FreeBSD 6.2-release - very impressed!
>
> Just a small problem. I'm unable to mount my USB key as a user.  ( I can
> mount it as root,  using the
> command  "mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt "  )
>
> This is what I get when I try to mount it as a user -
> $ mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /home/andy
> mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Permission denied
>
> $ mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt
> mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Operation not permitted
>
> I followed the instructions in the FAQ ( section 9.23 ) to the letter (
> the only change being that that doesn't mention
> USB devices, so I've substituted the USB device name  da0 for the device
> names there.  )

hmmm, freebsd.org seems to be broken for me

- man devfs.rules

- create /etc/devfs.rules: ( substitute wheel for the group you want )

[localrules=10]
add path 'da*s*' mode 0660 group wheel

- append to /etc/rc.conf:

devfs_system_ruleset="localrules"

- make sure the dir you are mounting on is owned by the user who
issues the mount command.

- make sure vfs.usermount=1

- reboot after changing devfs.rules & rc.conf

worked for me, let us know if it worked for you.

regards,

usleep
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Hi - followed FAQ but can't mount USB key as user

[Andy Elvey]

Hi all -

I've recently installed FreeBSD 6.2-release - very impressed! 

Just a small problem. I'm unable to mount my USB key as a user.  ( I can 
mount it as root,  using the
command  "mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt "  ) 


This is what I get when I try to mount it as a user -
$ mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /home/andy
mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Permission denied

$ mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt
mount_msdosfs: /dev/da0s1: Operation not permitted

I followed the instructions in the FAQ ( section 9.23 ) to the letter ( 
the only change being that that doesn't mention
USB devices, so I've substituted the USB device name  da0 for the device 
names there.  )


Here are the relevant bits of information -
Release - FreeBSD 6.2-release running on a Dell OptiPlex P3 system. 


Soon after I inserted the USB key, I ran tail - here's the output -
$ tail -f /var/log/messages
Jan  8 21:37:51 localhost kernel: ad0: 8223MB  at 
ata0-master UDMA33
Jan  8 21:37:51 localhost kernel: acd0: CDROM  at 
ata1-master PIO4

Jan  8 21:37:51 localhost kernel: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
Jan  8 21:40:02 localhost kernel: uhub1: Prolific Technology Inc. USB 
Embedded Hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2
Jan  8 21:40:02 localhost kernel: uhub1: 1 port with 0 removable, self 
powered
Jan  8 21:40:03 localhost kernel: umass0: Prolific Technology Inc. USB 
Mass Storage Device, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 3

Jan  8 21:40:03 localhost kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
Jan  8 21:40:03 localhost kernel: da0:  
Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device

Jan  8 21:40:03 localhost kernel: da0: 1.000MB/s transfers
Jan  8 21:40:03 localhost kernel: da0: 992MB (2031616 512 byte sectors: 
64H 32S/T 992C)



$ usbdevs
addr 1: UHCI root hub, Intel
addr 2: USB Embedded Hub, Prolific Technology Inc.
 addr 3: USB Mass Storage Device, Prolific Technology Inc.

$ cat /etc/fstab
# DeviceMountpoint  FStype  Options Dump
Pass#
/dev/ad0s1b noneswap  
sw   0   0
/dev/ad0s1a / ufs
rw   1   1
/dev/ad0s1d /home  ufs
rw   2   2
/dev/acd0/cdrom  cd9660  ro,noauto
0   0 

(  Just before posting here, I was about to add a usb entry to the 
fstab, but then I thought "No -
it wasn't needed for root to mount the device, and adding that to the 
fstab wasn't mentioned in

the FAQ  that I was carefully following"..)

$ groups andy
andy wheel operator

$ cat /etc/rc.conf 
(  removed my IP address details for the purposes of posting here )

linux_enable="YES"
moused_enable="YES"
usbd_enable="YES"

So, I'm a bit puzzled as to what I might have missed.   I've now even 
rebooted a couple of times, but
nothing has changed. I can mount the device as root but not as a user.  
So, any suggestions are very
welcome...  Thanks very much for your time  :-) 
-  Andy



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Re: Hi bsd team! Plz help me!

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On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 04:23:13PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
  

On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 11:39 +0500, Eldar Velibekov wrote:


Hi BSD team. Thanx for a Great OS! But! i wont use also graphical mode(X -
system) but i dont wont 1024-768 resolution, i wont 1280 - 800 on my
laptop(HP 510, CHipset Intel 915GMS family).What i must do???
  

If you are using GNOME desktop, then you do as following step:

System -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution -> 1280x800 -> Apply

That's GNOME Rules: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/index.html ;;

Sincerely,




I guess it all depends on which video card he is using. My ATI X1600 Radeon 
doesn't
support 1280x800 (to my knowledge...)
So it is possible that his video card doesn't either?!




  



The OP could also try to use the port 915resolution that was designed to 
enable the 1280x800 resolution on Intel graph. chipsets.
If he reads the information that comes with it, he should not need more 
help.








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