Re: boot manager oddity (two IDE drives, two o/s)

2007-10-26 Thread Mark Moellering
On Thursday 25 October 2007 8:38 am, William Bulley wrote:
> I have two IDE drives (ad0 and ad1) on a Dell system
> that is running Windows XP on ad0 and FreeBSD 6.2 on
> ad1.  Drive ad0 is 80 GB.  Drive ad1 is 250 GB.  When I
> installed FreeBSD onto ad1, I installed the FreeBSD boot
> manager onto both ad0 and ad1 disk drives.
>
> When the machine powers up from a cold start, I don't
> see the ad0 boot manager at all.  I see the ad1 boot
> manager.  It looks like this.
>
>F1  FreeBSD
>
>F5  Drive 0
>
> and FreeBSD boots just fine if I select F1.  I don't
> see the ad0 boot manager until I reboot FreeBSD and
> select F5 from the above "menu".  Then I get this:
>
>F1  ???
>F2  DOS
>
>F5  Drive 1
>
> Hitting F5 gives me the expected:
>
>F1  FreeBSD
>
>F5  Drive 0
>
> But, if I want to boot up Windows, I hit F2, and then
> Windows starts up.  If I shut down Windows (restart),
> then I again see this:
>
>F1  ???
>F2  DOS
>
>F5  Drive 1
>
> But this time, when I hit F5 nothing happens!?!?!?!
>
> Here is the output of two boot0cfg(8) commands:
>
> freebsd% boot0cfg -v ad0
> #   flag start chs   type   end chs   offset size
> 1   0x00  0:  1: 1   0xde  4:254:63   6380262
> 2   0x00  5:  0: 1   0x07   1023:254:6380325156151800
>
> version=1.0  drive=0x80  mask=0xf  ticks=182
> options=nopacket,update,nosetdrv
> default_selection=F5 (Drive 1)
>
> freebsd% boot0cfg -v ad1
> #   flag start chs   type   end chs   offset size
> 1   0x80  0:  1: 1   0xa5   1023:254:63   63524281212
>
> version=1.0  drive=0x81  mask=0xf  ticks=182
> options=nopacket,update,nosetdrv
> default_selection=F1 (Slice 1)
>
> What I want to know is am I doing something wrong, or, am I not
> doing enough to configure (using the boot0cfg(8) command) the
> two boot managers (one on each drive)?
>
> BTW, the "???" slice above is the Windows recovery (or diagnostic?)
> slice, I believe.
>
> I have looked in the Handbook to no avail.  Any ideas?  Help!
>
> Regards,
>
> web...
>
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It is my experience that you don't want two boot managers.  Have just one, 
usually on drive 0, select the OS to bott and leave it at that.  I recently 
lost a FreBSD boot record that way.  

look in the handbook on restoring boot0 on your freebsd drive.  If you replace 
it with mbr, you will be left with just the boot manager on ad0 and save 
yourself a headache.   (The command is fdisk -B -b ad2 but you have to tell 
it to write a new partition table or you won't be able to boot into freebsd 
at all)

As an aside, I have a similar setup, except it is Win2k & Freebsd 6.2  I 
recently had similar issues and wound up having to replace the boot record on 
my FreeBsd disk.  

Mark Moellering
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boot manager oddity (two IDE drives, two o/s)

2007-10-25 Thread William Bulley
I have two IDE drives (ad0 and ad1) on a Dell system
that is running Windows XP on ad0 and FreeBSD 6.2 on
ad1.  Drive ad0 is 80 GB.  Drive ad1 is 250 GB.  When I
installed FreeBSD onto ad1, I installed the FreeBSD boot
manager onto both ad0 and ad1 disk drives.

When the machine powers up from a cold start, I don't
see the ad0 boot manager at all.  I see the ad1 boot
manager.  It looks like this.

   F1  FreeBSD

   F5  Drive 0

and FreeBSD boots just fine if I select F1.  I don't
see the ad0 boot manager until I reboot FreeBSD and
select F5 from the above "menu".  Then I get this:

   F1  ???
   F2  DOS

   F5  Drive 1

Hitting F5 gives me the expected:

   F1  FreeBSD

   F5  Drive 0

But, if I want to boot up Windows, I hit F2, and then
Windows starts up.  If I shut down Windows (restart),
then I again see this:

   F1  ???
   F2  DOS

   F5  Drive 1

But this time, when I hit F5 nothing happens!?!?!?!

Here is the output of two boot0cfg(8) commands:

freebsd% boot0cfg -v ad0
#   flag start chs   type   end chs   offset size
1   0x00  0:  1: 1   0xde  4:254:63   6380262
2   0x00  5:  0: 1   0x07   1023:254:6380325156151800

version=1.0  drive=0x80  mask=0xf  ticks=182
options=nopacket,update,nosetdrv
default_selection=F5 (Drive 1)

freebsd% boot0cfg -v ad1
#   flag start chs   type   end chs   offset size
1   0x80  0:  1: 1   0xa5   1023:254:63   63524281212

version=1.0  drive=0x81  mask=0xf  ticks=182
options=nopacket,update,nosetdrv
default_selection=F1 (Slice 1)

What I want to know is am I doing something wrong, or, am I not
doing enough to configure (using the boot0cfg(8) command) the
two boot managers (one on each drive)?

BTW, the "???" slice above is the Windows recovery (or diagnostic?)
slice, I believe.

I have looked in the Handbook to no avail.  Any ideas?  Help!

Regards,

web...

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FreeBSD 6.x problems with IDE drives

2006-05-13 Thread Javier Henderson
Greetings,

I've a motherboard and disk drive that have been running on older
versions of FreeBSD for quite a while, reliably. Recently, I moved to
FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE (and lately to 6.1-RELEASE, but it didn't help),
and the system periodically shows:

> ad4: FAILURE - device detached

This is likely to happen under heavy I/O load (the machine serves a
few dozen virtual websites, averaging 15 Mb/s sustained).

Then the machine will eventually reboot.

The motherboard is an MSI with an AMD 1.3 GHz CPU and 1.25GB of RAM,
it has two IDE controllers, a VIA 8235, and a Promise (I can't access
the machine right now to get the exact model number). The problem
happens the same with either controller. I tried both UDMA100 and PIO4
modes, no difference.

SMART reports a healthy drive, and as mentioned before, it didn't have
problems with older versions of FreeBSD (5.4-RELEASE to be precise)
and under similarly heavy load.

The IDE cable was replaced, just in case, but again, no difference.

Any ideas?

-jav
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-30 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jun 30, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote:


On 6/27/05, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Brett Glass wrote:



At 06:34 PM 6/26/2005, Nikolas Britton wrote:




Highpoint RocketRAID:
1640:   4xSATA,PCI 32bit, 33MHz
1810A: 4xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
1820A: 8xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
2220:   8xSATA-II,  PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz

With the exception of the 2220 all of the other cards do RAID 5 in
software.



The 1820a has hardware XOR while the 1820 is purely software

Chad




Interesting, where did you find this bit of info at?



FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org

:-)

An earlier thread.

Also, the highpoint website mentions it, the 1820a bit, (in other  
terms).


Chad


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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-30 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 6/27/05, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
> 
> > At 06:34 PM 6/26/2005, Nikolas Britton wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Highpoint RocketRAID:
> >> 1640:   4xSATA,PCI 32bit, 33MHz
> >> 1810A: 4xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
> >> 1820A: 8xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
> >> 2220:   8xSATA-II,  PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
> >>
> >> With the exception of the 2220 all of the other cards do RAID 5 in
> >> software.
> 
> The 1820a has hardware XOR while the 1820 is purely software
> 
> Chad
> 

Interesting, where did you find this bit of info at?
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-27 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:54 PM, Brett Glass wrote:


At 06:48 PM 6/27/2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:



The 1820a has hardware XOR while the 1820 is purely software



This server will be mirroring, so we wouldn't need XOR. It'd
be a big plus for RAID 5, though.


I don't know about the Highpoint (my 1820a is used as a jbod  
controller only -- the only one I could find that was low profile :-)  
but some better RAID controllers do the mirroring in HW as well -- no  
software drives the RAID functions.  My adaptec 2100S 2200S 2410A all  
do it this way, which I greatly prefer.  I like the "complexity" of  
the RAID completely hidden from the OS.


Chad



--Brett

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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-27 Thread Brett Glass
At 06:48 PM 6/27/2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:

>The 1820a has hardware XOR while the 1820 is purely software

This server will be mirroring, so we wouldn't need XOR. It'd
be a big plus for RAID 5, though.

--Brett

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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-27 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jun 27, 2005, at 6:12 PM, Brett Glass wrote:


At 06:34 PM 6/26/2005, Nikolas Britton wrote:



Highpoint RocketRAID:
1640:   4xSATA,PCI 32bit, 33MHz
1810A: 4xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
1820A: 8xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
2220:   8xSATA-II,  PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz

With the exception of the 2220 all of the other cards do RAID 5 in
software.


The 1820a has hardware XOR while the 1820 is purely software

Chad


For your needs just about any RAID card from anyone will do
what you want. The main reason I recommended highpoint's raid cards
this because the company fully supports FreeBSD 4.x / 5.x with  
drivers

and CLI/GUI management programs.



That's great! We don't run GUIs on servers that run RAID (for obvious
reasons), but if they have a good CLI program it'll work well.



For you hot-swapping needs look here for SATA cages:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp? 
Submit=GO&Range=1&bop=and&description=cage&srchInDesc=SATA




Anything that'll fit in a 17" relay rack?

--Brett

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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-27 Thread Brett Glass
At 06:34 PM 6/26/2005, Nikolas Britton wrote:
  
>Highpoint RocketRAID:
>1640:   4xSATA,PCI 32bit, 33MHz
>1810A: 4xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
>1820A: 8xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
>2220:   8xSATA-II,  PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
>
>With the exception of the 2220 all of the other cards do RAID 5 in
>software. For your needs just about any RAID card from anyone will do
>what you want. The main reason I recommended highpoint's raid cards
>this because the company fully supports FreeBSD 4.x / 5.x with drivers
>and CLI/GUI management programs.

That's great! We don't run GUIs on servers that run RAID (for obvious
reasons), but if they have a good CLI program it'll work well.

>For you hot-swapping needs look here for SATA cages:
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=GO&Range=1&bop=and&description=cage&srchInDesc=SATA

Anything that'll fit in a 17" relay rack?

--Brett

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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 6/26/05, Mark Bucciarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:53:47PM +0200, Björn König wrote:
> 
> > Even most cheap ATA chipsets have hot-swap capabilities.
> 
> I didn't know hot swap was possible with software raid!
> 
> How can I tell if the ATA chipset on my system has hot-swap capability?
> 

It's an electrical issue not software/firmware/chipset. When you do
this you run the risk of damaging the motherboard, the drive, and/or
the power supply. There are ways you can mitigate this, for example a
real hot-swap cage etc., but like I said, the ATA bus was never
designed to do this. Short out the +12v and/or +5v  to ground on your
PSU and see what happens. Does it have a protection relay circuit?,
you better hope so! It's easier then you think to accidentally short
one of those two wires to gnd, I've done it a few times. Want to try
your luck with 40 pins?
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Mark Bucciarelli

On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 10:53:47PM +0200, Björn König wrote:

> Even most cheap ATA chipsets have hot-swap capabilities.

I didn't know hot swap was possible with software raid!

How can I tell if the ATA chipset on my system has hot-swap capability?

m
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Mark Bucciarelli

On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 03:28:35PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote:

> Nonetheless, the Web page is intriguing. Will the GEOM RAID subsystem really
> allow the machine to run and/or boot from either drive? 

It worked for me.  I unplugged each drive and rebooted after setting up
gmirror following that howto.

m
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 6/26/05, Brett Glass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to set up a FreeBSD server with two or more sets of
> mirrored drives. What is the best controller to use for this
> purpose? Note that I don't need striping or other RAID
> functions -- just mirroring, hopefully with hot swap capability.
> A system that could re-mirror a replacement drive with minimal
> impact on performance would be ideal.

Highpoint RocketRAID:
1640:   4xSATA,PCI 32bit, 33MHz
1810A: 4xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
1820A: 8xSATA,PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz
2220:   8xSATA-II,  PCI-X 64bit, 66/100/133Mhz

With the exception of the 2220 all of the other cards do RAID 5 in
software. For your needs just about any RAID card from anyone will do
what you want. The main reason I recommended highpoint's raid cards
this because the company fully supports FreeBSD 4.x / 5.x with drivers
and CLI/GUI management programs.

For you hot-swapping needs look here for SATA cages:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=GO&Range=1&bop=and&description=cage&srchInDesc=SATA
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Mike Maltese

Brett Glass wrote:

I have heard (though I have no direct experience with it) that the 3Ware
controllers bog the system down terribly when re-mirroring. Also, these
controllers are probably optimized for RAID 5 rather than simple mirroring.
Do you know if Promise or Adaptec has something that just mirrors?


I've actually had very good luck with both the 7006-2 and 8006-2, both 
of which only do RAID 1 and 0. I've only had to rebuild once with the 
7006, and I didn't notice a performance hit during the rebuild process.


The main reason I recommend and use 3ware over Adaptec is the excellent 
driver support and the administration utilities that are available (both 
CLI and web-based).


Mike
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Brett Glass
At 02:53 PM 6/26/2005, Björn König wrote:

>You don't need an additional controller necessarily, because you can set up a 
>RAID 1 with two single ATA hard disks. You'll find a small how-to at [1]. Even 
>most cheap ATA chipsets have hot-swap capabilities.
>
>[1] http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/
>
>I have good experiences with SATA PCI controllers from Highpoint.

Interesting. We are not using FreeBSD 5. in production, because
it seems as if 5-STABLE is only now reaching the level of stability we
have come to expect from FreeBSD. (It looks as if we might be able to stop
using 4-STABLE when 6.0-RELEASE or 6.1-RELEASE comes out, so long as the
TCP/IP stack is re-optimized and disk performance improves by then.) So,
we don't have the ability to use anything that's based on the GEOM subsystem.

Nonetheless, the Web page is intriguing. Will the GEOM RAID subsystem really 
allow the machine to run and/or boot from either drive? It looks as if the 
machine is instructed to do different stages of the boot from different 
drives, so I'm concerned that if either drive fails a reboot might fail.

The ata(4) man page mentions support for RAID 1 on Promise and Highpoint 
(Adaptec?) RAID controllers. These tend to be less expensive than brands 
like 3Ware (which I'd use for RAID5 but seems like overkill for RAID 1).
Have folks had good experience with these? Will they work on 4-STABLE?

--Brett

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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Björn König

Brett Glass wrote:


I need to set up a FreeBSD server with two or more sets of
mirrored drives. What is the best controller to use for this
purpose? Note that I don't need striping or other RAID
functions -- just mirroring, hopefully with hot swap capability.
A system that could re-mirror a replacement drive with minimal
impact on performance would be ideal.


You don't need an additional controller necessarily, because you can set 
up a RAID 1 with two single ATA hard disks. You'll find a small how-to 
at [1]. Even most cheap ATA chipsets have hot-swap capabilities.


[1] http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/

I have good experiences with SATA PCI controllers from Highpoint.

Björn
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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Brett Glass
At 12:39 PM 6/26/2005, Mike Maltese wrote:
  
>Brett Glass wrote:
>>I need to set up a FreeBSD server with two or more sets of
>>mirrored drives. What is the best controller to use for this
>>purpose? Note that I don't need striping or other RAID
>>functions -- just mirroring, hopefully with hot swap capability.
>>A system that could re-mirror a replacement drive with minimal
>>impact on performance would be ideal.
>
>The 3ware 7000 series cards work great. Not sure about hot swap with IDE 
>though. I'd go with a 8000 series card and SATA drives for that.

I have heard (though I have no direct experience with it) that the 3Ware
controllers bog the system down terribly when re-mirroring. Also, these
controllers are probably optimized for RAID 5 rather than simple mirroring.
Do you know if Promise or Adaptec has something that just mirrors?

--Brett

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Re: Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Mike Maltese

Brett Glass wrote:

I need to set up a FreeBSD server with two or more sets of
mirrored drives. What is the best controller to use for this
purpose? Note that I don't need striping or other RAID
functions -- just mirroring, hopefully with hot swap capability.
A system that could re-mirror a replacement drive with minimal
impact on performance would be ideal.


The 3ware 7000 series cards work great. Not sure about hot swap with IDE 
though. I'd go with a 8000 series card and SATA drives for that.


Mike
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Best hardware to mirror IDE drives under FreeBSD?

2005-06-26 Thread Brett Glass
I need to set up a FreeBSD server with two or more sets of
mirrored drives. What is the best controller to use for this
purpose? Note that I don't need striping or other RAID
functions -- just mirroring, hopefully with hot swap capability.
A system that could re-mirror a replacement drive with minimal
impact on performance would be ideal.

--Brett Glass
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IDE Drives

2003-10-23 Thread David Bergerson
Hello,

I have a FreeBSD 4.7 box.  It has a promise raid card supporting two
drives in a mirrored config.  It has two drives on the IDE bus.  I had
to physically move the motherboard to a different case.  In the old case
config, the drives were connected to a ATA card to get over the 137g
limit and one to the motherboard.  I now connected both to the ATA card.
The drives were AD1 and AD9.  Now they are AD9 and AD11.  I can not
mount the AD11.  I have done a fdisk to make sure it is on ad11:
03 DING! /etc > fdisk /dev/ad11
*** Working on device /dev/ad11 ***
parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
cylinders=24792 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1
parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
cylinders=24792 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

Media sector size is 512
Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
Information from DOS bootblock is:
The data for partition 1 is:
sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
start 63, size 398283417 (194474 Meg), flag 80 (active)
beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1;
end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63
The data for partition 2 is:

The data for partition 3 is:

The data for partition 4 is:



I can’t fsck /dev/ad11s1 nor mount it.  Are there limitations to the IDE
devices?  Ideas?

Thanks,

dave

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Re: USB or Firewire IDE drives

2003-02-06 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Thursday 06 February 2003 02:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has tried IDE drives connected via USB2.0
> or Firewire under 4.x or 5.x. Any information, even just a "no this
> one doesn't work" would be greatly appreciated.

Well, I have a USB 1.1 Hard Drive and it does not work under FreeBSD, so I 
doubt that USB 2 woudl work... unfortunately.

Antoine


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RE: USB or Firewire IDE drives

2003-02-05 Thread Harald Schmalzbauer
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> I was wondering if anyone has tried IDE drives connected via USB2.0
> or Firewire under 4.x or 5.x. Any information, even just a "no this

AFAIK USB2.0 isn't supported. But I'm very satisfied wit a noname
USB2/Firewire case for a 2.5" disk. It's identified as "" attached to an Adaptec firewire controller. Works fine on FW
*and* USB1.

-Harry

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USB or Firewire IDE drives

2003-02-05 Thread lwh
I was wondering if anyone has tried IDE drives connected via USB2.0
or Firewire under 4.x or 5.x. Any information, even just a "no this
one doesn't work" would be greatly appreciated.

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