Re: Spam control (was: Let People Find You in Google!)
There has indeed been a higher spam:ham ratio on this list of late, however making it subscriber-only won't help. The crims need only spoof the address of someone subscribed to the list to bypass that, and I suspect a few spammers have registered using false addresses anyway (leading to a bounce to anyone posting). Piping it through Spamassassin as it arrives at mx1.freebsd.org, although this isn't so effective against people using freemail accounts. Closing down irresponsibly run freemail operators would be a big help, but it's not going to happen. If anyone wants to discuss this OFF LIST, I'm up for it. Regards, Frank. Count me in! ++ Graham Todd Email created using gNewSense Linux 3.0 and hardened with Liberté Linux 2012.3. Free Software, as free in free speech and freedom signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Spam control (was: Let People Find You in Google!)
On 06/09/2013 11:21, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:32:39 +0100 Graham Todd articulated: Isn't this pure SPAM? Why yes it is. Would you prefer it mixed with non-spam to make it more palatable? Seriously, the ration of spam to non-spam is increasing exponentially on this list. Until the moderators change this to a subscriber list it will remain aa any spammer can post list. There has indeed been a higher spam:ham ratio on this list of late, however making it subscriber-only won't help. The crims need only spoof the address of someone subscribed to the list to bypass that, and I suspect a few spammers have registered using false addresses anyway (leading to a bounce to anyone posting). Piping it through Spamassassin as it arrives at mx1.freebsd.org, although this isn't so effective against people using freemail accounts. Closing down irresponsibly run freemail operators would be a big help, but it's not going to happen. If anyone wants to discuss this OFF LIST, I'm up for it. Regards, Frank. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:15:35 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. Not especially There are ways to deal with these assholes. Only some of it, and there's no general way of dealing with the out-of-list component. Allowing a blanket open-door policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem. Actually requiring subscription is pretty much like setting 0777, it's really only a protection against accidental list spamming. If a spammer actually wanted to spam lists he could harvest subscribed addresses, or simply subscribe. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 Bruce Cran articulated: There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:18:18PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). I concur with you, which is why point #2 in my message (which I've elided for brevity here) comes into play: if the list-owners set the subscribers only flag in Mailman, then messages from nonsubscribers will be held for their attention. I don't think it's unreasonable or particularly burdensome to request that they check that queue once a day or so, and decide how to dispose of those messages. I should also expand on that to mention that Mailman offers a number of choices on how that disposition is handled: list-owners can choose, for example, to add the address in question to a list of non-subscribers permitted to post, so that subsequent traffic from the same person won't be held up and require attention. I've found this quite useful for cases where interested individuals send traffic sporadically. I've also found it quite useful to note the email addresses of obvious spammers and block them at the MTA, because they'll often step through *all* the mailing lists sequentially and it becomes tedious to discard the same spam over and over. Blocking at the MTA alleviates this problem. Another way to put it is that while using this method involves a small initial effort, it has the significant advantage of not requiring any action on the part of legitimate message senders, and the effort required by list-owners diminishes over time. It also doesn't require any coding effort or external plumbing. Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible using some simple filtering without the need to change the subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it automatically saving further work on a list-owner. I urge caution on that: oh, it's a fine idea, but introducing automation into that process has its issues/risks. In practice, I've found (having run many mailing lists over many years) that the manual workload is so small that it's not worth automating. Since I've now opened my big mouth on this topic twice: if the list-owners are paying attention and wish assistance with this, I'm certainly willing to help out. ---rsk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote: Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater. Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer until you have killed a minimum of three people. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400 Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 RW articulated: On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: Yes, seriously. Have you seen the number of people who post messages PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!, apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription? There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly configured MTA, I don't see a problem with backscatter. Now, if they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just subscribing to a list. Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. There are ways to deal with these assholes. Allowing a blanket open-door policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 05/17/2013 05:45, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100 It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much negligible. That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater. Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer until you have killed a minimum of three people. This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite frankly. All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. Capitalism: we brought you the pop-up ad. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 10:53 -0700, Robison, Dave wrote: All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. I don't know if those mails where pointless, but there were much mails and I only read two or three mails including this, IOW there was at least much traffic caused by this discussion, that has less to do with questions about FreeBSD, IMO this is ok, I like OT talk myself, even if I wasn't interested in this discussion. I'm subscribed to trillions of mailing lists, perhaps a few less than trillions and several open mailing lists, including this one. I don't get much spam and it's easy to filter the few junk mails I receive. The few spam I get can't be eliminated by any method. The internet is the Wilde West, it makes me wonder that I get that less spam. It's said, that for all long discussions in the Internet, soon or later somebody will mention the Nazis and if somebody mentions the Nazis, an Internet discussion has reached it's end. The Nazis where some kind of serial killers, so perhaps this is the reason to stop this discussion. I hope there wasn't a flame war, I really didn't read this thread. Please stay peacefully folks ;). We can't get rid of all junk mail and seriously, we can't get rid of all evil on this planet. Some people really do very bad crimes, so we shouldn't waste much time in thinking about spam. Polemical comparison does hurt some people, but I guess it should be ok, if somebody makes an inappropriate comparison. We should be allowed to write without keeping political correctness 24/7 in mind. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:53:39AM -0700, Robison, Dave wrote: This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite frankly. All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month. What he said, +infinity. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Bruce Cran wrote: On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. That burdens FreeBSD lists with clueless, lazy non subscribers, spammers. Web forums exist for those too lame to subscribe forums can have Captcha. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100 Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. There have been some discussions about this in the past. freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it. we running in a circle here. I noticed that on other FreeBSD lists, a moderator enables later mails which are sent from an unregistered address. Why can't this be done here? Get a group of volunteers in different time zones to handle this and off we go. Of course, I could be one of them in the Eastern World. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On May 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam filter and thereby abuse it. How often do you need help with an issue with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or other application? And yet subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages (devs convs mostly) come flooding in within minutes. Other lists I have been on had both a list and a forum that accessed the same content. While I see that FreeBSD has both, I do not think they share content. A forum gateway to the list would permit folks to sign up for the forum and NOT get a ton of email. If the forum were publicly readable that would also provide a way to look through (if not search) the archives. I am not trying to make work for people, just suggesting another way to address the competing issues of SPAM reduction and ease of access. -- Paul Kraus Deputy Technical Director, LoneStarCon 3 Sound Coordinator, Schenectady Light Opera Company ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On 05/12/13 22:04, Rich Kulawiec wrote: 1. Restricting mailing lists to subscribers only has been a best practice since the last century. It's a very good anti-spam tactic. 2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one -- does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers. By default, Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully. 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. 4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists. I do this on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth the effort. So: setting the subscribers-only flag on Mailman has major advantages, at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA. I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam filter and thereby abuse it. How often do you need help with an issue with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or other application? And yet subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages (devs convs mostly) come flooding in within minutes. Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible using some simple filtering without the need to change the subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it automatically saving further work on a list-owner. I admit the spam is getting worse, but there are still many more users sending who would like try before they buy - or subscribe. FreeBSD is an OS, yes, but it does give users options and freedom; and although many are willing to give up their freedom because it is *appears* safer, they tend to have serious regrets in the light of day. Better to find a way to maintain the freedom (and minimise the overheads required for oversight) through other measures. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Excerpt from Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org: 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. I sometimes send using a different SMTP server, which may happen since my @bellsouth.net addresses are from my former ISP, ATT/Yahoo!, but still good under Yahoo! So I might send either from the ATT/Yahoo! SMTP server or from insightbb.com server, and Insight Cable (insightbb.com) customers will be migrated in the next month to Time Warner Cable, and email addresses will be in twc.com domain. But I use the same From: address. I switched my email address on this list because Insight Cable, but I believe not Time Warner Cable, uses synacor.com for spam filtering, and messages are deleted when synacor.com's software flags it as spam, and there were false positives resulting in bounced messages. Insight Cable customers never see the spam-filtered-out messages, and have no way to mitigate those filters. On sending CC to other participants in a thread, sometimes that can be too many, and I might consider it redundant to send CC to a list regular. Once, because of sending CC to other thread participants, I was sending to six email addresses, and the message was held for moderator approval because of being sent to so many recipients: a frequent characteristic of spam. But my message was approved when the moderator saw it was legit, on topic. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to ask a single question it is the other way round. this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either will change any time soon. or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, though as background I'd observe: Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, Hackers@ some others preceded it. A good many others indeed - but all the user lists have always had the same conventions. Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:31 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated: On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to ask a single question it is the other way round. I am not really a big fan of paying for a hunting license since I only hunt once a year; however, they still make me do it. As a POC earlier this year, I subscribed to this list under a different name address, returned to my MUA and the responding message from this list was waiting. I replied to it and was there upon subscribed. Total time, less than 1-1/2 minutes. And that included me taking a sip of coffee. The time to remove myself from the list was similar. Hell, it takes me longer than that to gather all of the info I might need to either ask or respond to a question on this list. this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either will change any time soon. or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, though as background I'd observe: Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, Hackers@ some others preceded it. A good many others indeed - but all the user lists have always had the same conventions. Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) I never respond to CC'ers. If they cannot take the time to subscribe, I cannot afford the time to respond. True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP. Perhaps our list should include a disclaimer (I hate them) that states: WARNING: CC ARE YOUR OWN RISK Actually, I think this is kind of funn: From: Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org To: Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Technically, I am responding to a CC'er who happens to be the list operator/owner or whatever terminology turns you on. My sieve filters are designed to filter out an CC messages; however, they are also designed to accept any mail from FreeBSD*. Since I was not in the CC address (directly), I ended up getting a CC'd mesage. I really have to rework my filters. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
1. Restricting mailing lists to subscribers only has been a best practice since the last century. It's a very good anti-spam tactic. 2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one -- does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers. By default, Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval. Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully. 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to the list without approval. This feature is probably more often used to allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net. But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners so choose. 4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists. I do this on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth the effort. So: setting the subscribers-only flag on Mailman has major advantages, at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA. ---rsk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order to ask a question, True. I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though. I've always felt when I as a newbie somewhere, wanted to post any other project's mail list to ask a question get free help, then I owed it to those there to subscribe if necessary. However, FreeBSD could always provide a web Captcha anti spam validater for those too lazy/ uncommited to subscribe questions@ ? this is also the reason for the convention of using Reply to all in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993. I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour. (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit, though as background I'd observe: Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started, Hackers@ some others preceded it. Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. ) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd ) Reference: From: Aaron Seligman aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) Subject:Re: Display Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed Message-id: 1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net Happy hump-day, We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). Newbies would be told subscribe before posting in all of: /etc/motd http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Automatic list bounce response. Only clueless, lazy, spammers might be lost. A net gain. Cheers, Julian I'm curious how much spam you get through this list. Just counted, and I have about 2 Spams per week for the last month, that's more than usual. Regards, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
I'm curious how much spam you get through this list. Just counted, and I have about 2 Spams per week for the last month, that's more than usual. Personaly I'm on ~ 47 freebsd lists or so my MH dirs + procmail filter boxes suggest, so when someone spams multiple lists with the same spam it irritates. I'm on various other lists too, (last I counted it was about 100 in all inc. freebsd) so grateful for each list that is subscribers only. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, From: Erich Dollansky erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:33:47 +0700 Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this? Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out. To allow a free-er environment for us than that might first give: Taking the syntax of majordomo as an example to illustrate an idea in (I know Freebsd.org moved on to Mailman, but I'm assuming/ hoping Mailman is at least equally as flexible as Majordomo; as I'm an administrator for Majordomo lists, have tried the idea below seen it work, I can quote syntax for it correctly) Given a list eg scsi@freebsd might exist that happended to go from open to restrict_post = scsi ie write only for subscribers, it could easily be made eg restrict_post = scsi questions hackers So others in eg questions who had occasional scsi specific questions could be referred to post there without person needing to subscribe to scsi@ as a regular ( agreed, just hope all respondents CC the OP, if OP is too lazy/ busy to subscribe eg scsi@). Most list config files could do that, so it would be equally possible for eg someone subscribed to hardware@ to answer a question posted to questions@, even if the answering hardware@ person was not personaly subscribed to reading every post to questions@. questions@ could have a questions.config with something like: restrict_post = questions hackers current ports scsi etc Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
List Spam Filtering
Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd ) Reference: From: Aaron Seligman aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) Subject: Re: Display Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed Message-id: 1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net Happy hump-day, We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). Newbies would be told subscribe before posting in all of: /etc/motd http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Automatic list bounce response. Only clueless, lazy, spammers might be lost. A net gain. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Most of the spam I've seen get through is actually obvious from the subject line. I've seen more posts by people who weren't subscribed and asked to be cc'd than I've seen spam. Making the list subscribers only would only hinder the the lucky spammers, and stop more people genuinely asking for help. I have seen more spam in the past few weeks, but it's better than google. For some reason, even though I don't speak anything other than English, email with Asian characters is not spam. On 5/8/2013 7:26 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd ) Reference: From: Aaron Seligman aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) Subject:Re: Display Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed Message-id: 1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net Happy hump-day, We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: - List could silently discard such spam. - Postmaster@ ( webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work. - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters ( less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-). Newbies would be told subscribe before posting in all of: /etc/motd http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Automatic list bounce response. Only clueless, lazy, spammers might be lost. A net gain. Cheers, Julian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: List Spam Filtering
Hi, On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only: some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this? I notice that my postings get delayed and obviously check when I use by accident my real e-mail address. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Don't replay to spam
The original trying freeBSD 9.1 [...] mail is spam, since the original message had a signature about face lifting or something like that. Take a look at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't leave this page. It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM: Re: ZFS root, error 2 when mounting root
I've been down this road recently with 9.1-release. I ended up adding these lines to end of my script ## The next two are hacks in my book, without the last line, on reboot ## it gets stuck trying to find zfs:zroot/ROOT, but somehow the -f or reboot fixes # this quirk zpool export zroot zpool import -f zroot reboot Without the altroot it replaces the live CD mounts, and basically renders the system pointless, except that it works on reboot. :) I tried all sorts of other ways to make it work, mounting zroot and specifying a cache file, then cp the file over, etc., nothing I did worked except the above. There is probably a cleaner/better way but I was not able to find it. -Chad ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM: Re: ZFS root, error 2 when mounting root
On 02/26/2013 04:31 PM, Chad M Stewart wrote: I've been down this road recently with 9.1-release. I ended up adding these lines to end of my script ## The next two are hacks in my book, without the last line, on reboot ## it gets stuck trying to find zfs:zroot/ROOT, but somehow the -f or reboot fixes # this quirk zpool export zroot zpool import -f zroot reboot Without the altroot it replaces the live CD mounts, and basically renders the system pointless, except that it works on reboot. :) I tried all sorts of other ways to make it work, mounting zroot and specifying a cache file, then cp the file over, etc., nothing I did worked except the above. There is probably a cleaner/better way but I was not able to find it. I seem to remember trying that too, forced import, but after an unsuccessful reboot, not at the end of the script. It didn't work for me. Anyway, thanks for the answers, it's a bit more clear now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM: Re: ZFS root, error 2 when mounting root
On 02/25/2013 10:00 am, bw wrote: That was my understanding, too, but the instructions on the wiki say there's no need to copy the cache file. In fact, there is no cache file to copy, since the pool is created with zpool create -o altroot=/mnt -O canmount=off zroot mirror /dev/gpt/g0zfs /dev/gpt/g1zfs No cache file. The wiki article was changed recently to eliminate that part, the message on the wiki is: Fix so that the default instructions does not install data directly to the zroot pool. Simplify instructions regarding cache files, they are no longer needed. Fixes and cleanups. Either the instructions are wrong, or something in my script is. I assume it's my script. The instructions noted above are now INCORRECT for 9.0 (I have not tried this with 9.1 yet) as you MUST manually put the zpool.cache file in place for it to work correctly (I tried a couple different variations when I first setup my systems a few months ago and learned this the hard way :-) I have *lost* of experience with ZFS under Solaris 10 but am relatively new (about a year) to FreeBSD. I tried it on 9.1, failed to specify. There is a change coming down through the stable or current channel, that doesn't require the zpool.cache file. But I don't believe that it has made it's to any of the releases. I haven't been able to track down the original message yet, but here is some of the relevant text from a reply on the freebsd-stable mailing list, the subject of the thread is [HEADSUP] zfs root pool mounting, if you chose to search for it on your own. on 28/11/2012 20:35 Andriy Gapon said the following: Recently some changes were made to how a root pool is opened for root filesystem mounting. Previously the root pool had to be present in zpool.cache. Now it is automatically discovered by probing available GEOM providers. The new scheme is believed to be more flexible. For example, it allows to prepare a new root pool at one system, then export it and then boot from it on a new system without doing any extra/magical steps with zpool.cache. It could also be convenient after zpool split and in some other situations. The change was introduced via multiple commits, the latest relevant revision in head is r243502. The changes are partially MFC-ed, the remaining parts are scheduled to be MFC-ed soon. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list
FreeBSD emailing lists are not spammers, though they let some spams through that their filters miss. Insight Cable uses synacor.com spam-filtering (dis)service that the Insight Cable user can't turn off. This remedy is worse than the disease in my case because it causes bounces, and then my list membership is disabled. Just a few days ago, I switched my FreeBSD lists email address back to the old-but-still-working ATT-Yahoo bellsouth.net email. But synacor.com only filtered out a small percentage of FreeBSD list messages, some but not all of which were spams. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
SPAM-flag on FBSD list
Hello, while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a very interesting part in the header, which I just paste Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3 Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-2.3 points) pts rule name description -- -- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 TVD_SPACE_RATIOTVD_SPACE_RATIO X-HE-SPF: PASSED Curious about who is the culprit in the chain, I did [cjr@dijkstra:~]$ dig -x 8.8.178.116 (01-13 16:42) ; DiG 9.8.3-P4 -x 8.8.178.116 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33133 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;116.178.8.8.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 116.178.8.8.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR mx2.FreeBSD.org. ;; Query time: 96 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.178.1#53(192.168.178.1) ;; WHEN: Sun Jan 13 16:42:11 2013 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 71 Are the FreeBSD-mail servers spammers? Anyhow, have a nice week, cheers, -- Christopher TZ: GMT + 2h GnuPG/GPG: 0xE8DE2C14 FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #4 r245101: Sun Jan 6 21:13:49 CET 2013 c...@dijkstra.cruwe.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DIJKSTRA Punctuation matters: Lets eat Grandma or Lets eat, Grandma - Punctuation saves lives. A panda eats shoots and leaves or A panda eats, shoots, and leaves - Punctuation teaches proper biology. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:06:50 -0500
Joe Altman free...@chthonixia.net wrote:
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 04:48:06PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote:
Hello,
while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a
very interesting part in the header, which I just paste
Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3
Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-2.3 points)
pts rule name description
--
-- -2.3
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/,
medium trust [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org]
From the org's web page:
dnswl.org: DNS Whitelist - Protect against false positives
What is dnswl.org?
Dnswl.org is the leading whitelist provider for email filtering. It
has over 80'000 users and contains more than 150'000 entries of good
mailservers.
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Thanks for the explanation, the wl part of the domain and the negative
number escaped me completly.
Sorry for the noise, cheers,
--
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TZ: GMT + 2h
GnuPG/GPG: 0xE8DE2C14
FreeBSD 9.1-STABLE #4 r245101: Sun Jan 6 21:13:49 CET 2013
c...@dijkstra.cruwe.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DIJKSTRA
Punctuation matters:
Lets eat Grandma or Lets eat, Grandma - Punctuation saves lives.
A panda eats shoots and leaves or A panda eats, shoots, and leaves -
Punctuation teaches proper biology.
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OT: Spam - Was: Re: HI
Please don't reply to spam, since this makes it harder to detect spam by software. Happy New Year! Ralf PS: I've broken the thread intendedly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam and more spam
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: could t be that everybody can post now on this list without being registered and without having administrator's approval? It actually has been that way forever. There may be certain rules that trigger moderation in some cases, but usually not. The reason for the open list is that questions@ has been given as a support address in documents, and some feel that should remain open. Should we move to a list where only registered users can write just to avoid the spam problem and not forcing a human to approve all e-mails from addresses which are not registered? The forums are that way already: http://forums.freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Spam and more spam
Hi, could t be that everybody can post now on this list without being registered and without having administrator's approval? I remember that my messages got delayed when I used my work's e-mail address but when I just send an answer to a question intentional with my work's e-mail address, it worked. Should we move to a list where only registered users can write just to avoid the spam problem and not forcing a human to approve all e-mails from addresses which are not registered? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam and more spam.
Hi Gary, On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:03:49 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:49:34AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:43:13 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well, oh, do you have a Windows machine secretly running somewhere? I would not be able to sleep then either. ha! never, never have I bought even one dos/doze computer. my daughter was given an old [1998] w2k box that she played games on. it is long-gone:) you do not even know then what these people go through. Let me see what you got. yup, exactly. these sorry, pathetic guys see an easy way to spam and do it. ... . They have meet month's end. They needed the money ... Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam and more spam.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:06:11PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100 andrew clarke m...@ozzmosis.com wrote: On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier (realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote: Bonjour, Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa date de sortie http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list. I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam. Erich ___ Aloha Erich, I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now. In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English. Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this? ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol aloha al! I have been getting arabic, vchinese, french, and other spam in recent weeks. Ugh!! dont know how it is getting thru godaddy's filters, but it is. gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam and more spam.
Hi, On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:04:48 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:06:11PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100 andrew clarke m...@ozzmosis.com wrote: On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier (realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote: Bonjour, Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa date de sortie http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list. I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam. Erich ___ Aloha Erich, I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now. In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English. Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this? ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol aloha al! I have been getting arabic, vchinese, french, and other spam in recent weeks. Ugh!! dont know how it is getting thru godaddy's filters, but it is. I took a look at one of the spam mails. The header looks like this: Return-Path: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9AKN55i005588 for erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:23:06 -0600 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [8.8.178.136]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5BA203799; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:52 + (UTC) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [8.8.178.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0E2D06; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:44 + (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2F6C67 for freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:32 + (UTC) (envelope-from bounce+freebsd-stable=freebsd@to.benaughty.com) Received: from me20.to.frindr.net (me20.to.frindr.net [70.33.212.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88788FC08 for freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:31 + (UTC) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by me20.to.frindr.net (Postfix) with QMQP id 4E1E7301038 for freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:23 + (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=benaughty.com; s=to; t=1349898743; bh=v8GVq7lXQBvGUXBVXF9xdjLIwxk=; h=MIME-Version:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:From:Reply-To:Subject: Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:To; b=Peb/n29Jvys2WqT4eslGuADZLrXVVj31xJRRUW/yHQVeNst8vwe8jR1/HR+yaEfca FtOdaor2xY2Q55emnfQWJQDwfhLJm9//ilbufZCm0oRqeOiX7688rdNXVJB/mDQxET BZ0sLGBVlnpZ+ZM1zDuaX85XynxsmU7hucJMWlug= MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: Frindr Ltd X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Frindr X-Campaign-Id: 084693 X-Dating: 3b87203fdf6ba6b75457570b493fbc6fZnJlZWJzZC1zdGFibGVAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= From: BeNaughty ad...@benaughty.com Subject: Get your 25% premium discount for FREE to contact 1.3 million girls! Message-ID: 084693.mbp0iy.b9g...@benaughty.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:52:10 +0100 To: freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: BeNaughty ad...@benaughty.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code freebsd-stable.freebsd.org List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-stable, mailto:freebsd-stable-requ...@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable List-Post: mailto:freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org List-Help: mailto:freebsd-stable-requ...@freebsd.org?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable, mailto:freebsd-stable-requ...@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org X-UIDL: 09H!!C*!!J26!!~f,#! while yours looks like this: Return-Path: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q9B67nvS032260 for erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:07:49 -0600 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org
Re: Spam and more spam.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
hello erich and everyone,
im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well,
so I am not as patient as you, erich,--or others still on-list.
I have =not= read all the mail headers below. but at the bottom
of this email I will enclose an arabic [i think!] email. if you
can gleen anything from it, excellent. I get other *non*-8859
iso encoded email. {Note that I still use mutt as my mua. until
all this spam, I did not know that mutt could even render non-
Latin characters.
--cont below--
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:04:48 -0700
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:06:11PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100
andrew clarke m...@ozzmosis.com wrote:
On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier
(realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote:
Bonjour,
Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je
souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa
sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous
s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa
date de sortie
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html
PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list.
I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam.
Erich
___
Aloha Erich,
I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now.
In several languages including Chinese and French as well as
English.
Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this?
~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740
+ http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
+ http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
email: n...@hdk5.net
All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis
Carrol
aloha al!
I have been getting arabic, vchinese, french, and other spam
in recent weeks. Ugh!! dont know how it is getting thru godaddy's
filters, but it is.
I took a look at one of the spam mails. The header looks like this:
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Re: Spam and more spam.
Hi Gary,
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:43:13 -0700
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
hello erich and everyone,
im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well,
oh, do you have a Windows machine secretly running somewhere? I would
not be able to sleep then either.
so I am not as patient as you, erich,--or others still
on-list. I have =not= read all the mail headers below. but at the
bottom of this email I will enclose an arabic [i think!] email. if
you can gleen anything from it, excellent. I get other *non*-8859
iso encoded email. {Note that I still use mutt as my mua.
until all this spam, I did not know that mutt could even render non-
Latin characters.
Let me see what you got.
for my appending the spam that I got from wherever. it
might have been sent from Anywhere.
It looks to me too like it came directly to you as there is no sign of
FreeBSD have been between.
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I get hundreds of them. All get handled properly on my system except
the one coming via FreeBSd.org as my system sees FreeBSD.org as a
serious sender. This might be the reason those people try it now that
way.
Erich
___
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Re: Spam and more spam.
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:49:34AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi Gary,
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:43:13 -0700
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
hello erich and everyone,
im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well,
oh, do you have a Windows machine secretly running somewhere? I would
not be able to sleep then either.
ha! never, never have I bought even one dos/doze computer. my
daughter was given an old [1998] w2k box that she played games on.
it is long-gone:)
so I am not as patient as you, erich,--or others still
on-list. I have =not= read all the mail headers below. but at the
bottom of this email I will enclose an arabic [i think!] email. if
you can gleen anything from it, excellent. I get other *non*-8859
iso encoded email. {Note that I still use mutt as my mua.
until all this spam, I did not know that mutt could even render non-
Latin characters.
Let me see what you got.
for my appending the spam that I got from wherever. it
might have been sent from Anywhere.
It looks to me too like it came directly to you as there is no sign of
FreeBSD have been between.
it looks to me like this [and probably my other junk email] is
coming from the lines in my ~/.fetchmailrc that go out and
pull in what is sent to my gmail account. [rarely, there is
spam from one of the freebsd lists--usually questions.] instead
of getting mad, I just hit d and move on.
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Re: Spam and more spam.
Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100 andrew clarke m...@ozzmosis.com wrote: On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier (realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote: Bonjour, Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa date de sortie http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list. I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam. Erich ___ Aloha Erich, I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now. In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English. Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this? ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam and more spam.
Hi Al, On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:06:11 -1000 Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam. Aloha Erich, my wife loves you. This is for sure. Why? She loves your place. I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now. In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English. There are two kind of spams. One comes directly via the list and one comes only to the addresses used at the list. Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this? If I use my other e-mail addresses which are not registered, I get an message that the mail needs approval. The person who approves should block the spam coming via the list. But I also get some spam from people who harvested my address there. It is still not enough to make me a special filter rule. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 Even for the fact that I do not have a reason to complain, your address sounds cool. Erich + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [spam] Equine Vaccines offered by Santa Cruz
Anyone offended by this spam to the mailing-list is strongly encouraged to call the company to complain -- TOLL FREE numbers are: U.S.A. 1-800-457-3801 (headquarters) Europe +00800 4573 8000(Germany) Asia (010) 800.40402026 (Japan) Asia 00798.1.1.002.0297 (S. Korea) In North America, using a pay phone costs the toll-free owner over $0.35 when they answer the call. Keep this in mind if you have to call back because of a dropped connection, or other communication problem., There is no doubt the company actually sent the spam. The 'smoking gun' is that their website recognized the email address for an 'unsubscribe' from their mailings. The people that 'need to know' about the 'error of their ways' are the include: John R Stephenson President CEO Ada Popkey Finance director And their Head of Marketing Head of Public Relations or Corporate Communications. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Spam] Fw: Merry Christmas from the FreeBSD Security Team
--As of December 23, 2011 5:45:42 PM +0100, Bas Smeelen is alleged to have said: While I'm writing, a note to freebsd-update users: FreeBSD-SA-11:07.chroot has a rather messy fix involving adding a new interface to libc; this has the awkward side effect of causing the sizes of some symbols (aka. functions) in libc to change, resulting in cascading changes into many binaries. The long list of updated files is irritating, but isn't a sign that anything in freebsd-update went wrong. --As for the rest, it is mine. I appreciate the hard work, though I could wish it were better timed. ;) However, the above does worry me a bit: Is that same library change likely to affect ports? Any way to tell which, if so? (Or should I just start reinstalling everything...) Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: {SPAM} New games for you
Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have posted at: http://www.r-bonomi.com/procmailrecipe1.html Original message: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jun 19 01:09:13 2011 From: Netlog notification+f34709...@netlogmail.com To: Elias Shashati freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:07:46 + Subject: New games for you Hi Elias! Try out these new games! [[ sneck spam content ]] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: {SPAM} New games for you
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com articulated: Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have posted at: http://www.r-bonomi.com/procmailrecipe1.html Interestingly enough, WOT http://www.mywot.com/ rates that site very poor and displays a warning when it is visited. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: {SPAM} New games for you
On 19/06/2011 12:38, Jerry wrote: Interestingly enough, WOThttp://www.mywot.com/ rates that site very poor and displays a warning when it is visited. I suspect some people like reporting sites as bad. Mine was reported as not safe: has the trojan virus and I had to ask Norton to re-check it before it marked it as OK. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: {SPAM} New games for you
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jun 19 06:38:27 2011
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:38:05 -0400
From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net
To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: {SPAM} New games for you
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com articulated:
Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to
one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to
their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have
posted at: http://www.r-bonomi.com/procmailrecipe1.html
Interestingly enough, WOT http://www.mywot.com/ rates that site very
poor and displays a warning when it is visited.
*SIGH*
Proof one should _not_ trust WOT ratings when they are based on small numbers
of reports. In this instance, a 'sample size' of *ONE*.
Fact: there was _never_ any 'phishing' page on my server, as the user report
claims. What there -was-, was a copy of an eBay/Paypal ERROR PAGE, with
the *only* distribution of that URL to eBay/Paypal customer support (by
telephone) for purposes of resolving the problem that error page
demonstrated.
The 'vendor reliability' rating is meaningless, Assuming that that WOT user
making the rtingknew anyting about the vendor, which is unlikely :). The
machine intentinally mis-reports its vendor identity as a company that went
out of existance more than a decade ago. Reported application versions are
similar mis-directon. The machine, itself, armor-plated and diamond-coated.
It is proof against _any_ attack other than 'denial of service' -- regardless
of any software vulnerabilites, *undiscovered* or otherwise. All media with
executables, or non-volatile data (like web pages), are (hardware enforced)
read-only, and all writable media are flagged by the kernel such that any
attempt to 'execute' any content from that media is disallowed. Even _I_
can't change anything without taking the machine off-line and into single-
user mode. I can give _you_ console access *and* the super-user password,
the _worst_ you can do is denial of service. grin
The other 'ratings' by that single user are similarly laughable. He has
no way of knowing anything about any of them.
All that said, thanks for the heads-up about mywot.com. I've never heard
of them before this.
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ipv6 spam
I have begun receiving ipv6 spam from this mailing list, and I was wondering how to determine who the owner of a particular ipv6 address is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ipv6 spam
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Robert Simmons rsimmo...@gmail.com wrote: I have begun receiving ipv6 spam from this mailing list, and I was wondering how to determine who the owner of a particular ipv6 address is. A whois may tell you who the block has been given too (ISP wise) ... that may start you in the right direction For example: I have a valid IPv6 address from my hosting provider (they gets used for IRC on occasion ..) NetRange: 2610:1E8:: - 2610:1E8:::::: CIDR: 2610:1E8::/32 OriginAS: AS14595 NetName:NET-THINKTEL6-1 NetHandle: NET6-2610-1E8-1 Parent: NET6-2610-1 NetType:Direct Allocation RegDate:2007-05-04 Updated:2007-05-04 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2610-1E8-1 As you can see, a whois of that ip reveals the block provided to my hosts provider, from there you could start asking questions. Spam sent to the list, I tend to ignore, spam sent to me, I investigate and make go away. I'v also run a tracert(6) to find a general geographic region of the spam, if it's origin was reasonably local then I fire e-mails off to those locations as best I can. An interesting story here ... I actually knew one of my spammers, personally, a pseudofriend who always tried to show off to me, he had money and was always buying gadgets that he had no use for or how to use. When I figured it out I almost laughed meself stupid. I then took all my proof to his Mom and it all stopped, all his gadgets mysteriously disappeared from his house and he stopped calling ... coincidentally, all of that mysteriously disappeared junk, magically appeared in my bedroom :D Anywho there are ways, just takes patience and persistence... -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: spam?
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 353, Issue 11, Message: 4 On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote: In the last week I got four emails like this one today: From: a href=mailto:br...@cran.org.uk;br...@cran.org.uk/abr/ To: a href=mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com;per...@pluto.rain.com /abr/ CC: a href=mailto:free...@edvax.de;free...@edvax.de/a, a href=mailto:lum...@gmail.com;lum...@gmail.com/a, a href=mailto: freebsd- questi...@freebsd.orgfreebsd-questions@freebsd.org [I guess it's a gmail option whether to quote messages with addresses shown as HTML urls? Other people seem to be able to avoid doing that] That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are forging emails. See http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.htmlfor more details. G'day Bruce, unfortunately trying to follow that through by 'next in thread' on derkeiler.com lands at a message that they've censored, declaring: Error 410: The page you requested has been removed The page you requested has been removed due to inappropriate content. From there, they leave you no way to finish the thread, in particular to my detailed wannabe FAQ - in reply to you, as it happened - on how folks might solve this issue at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225226.html That report may or may not help gmail users, as Chris Brennan reported gmail provides no way to filter on message headers such as Message-ID, still at least it shows how to determine that these messages are indeed forgeries. Maybe by now parklogic realise that targetting gmail users will cause the most mischief? Evil doesn't necessarily mean stupid .. As for derkeiler.com's apparently arbitrary censorship, you can see the message they removed, two messages before mine by thread, here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225236.html Apart from charging Svein Skogen with 'signature too long' :) I can't imagine why they or their robot might have taken offense. At least at lists.freebsd.org only something pretty extreme may provoke our esteemed postmaster into removing a message, and there's less obfuscation there of email addresses (like parklogic.com) .. for better or worse. cheers, Ian Good job Ian! I was looking for that but hadn't had time to sit down and actually find it and you beat me to the punch. ajtiM, it boils down to two choices with GMail; 1) Continue to use the web-interface (I do) and live with this spam and just delete the message (take care to not mark it as spam, while GMail's SPAM filter is smart, it is by no means intelligent, marking it as spam would flag more then just *THAT* e-mail's headers as spam, it would flag the whole thread, including f-q@.) 2) Your second option would require you to turn pop3/impa4 support on in GMail and set up a client with more advanced filter support, or you could set up some combination of fetchmail/procmail/SOME APP TO FETCH MAIL FROM GMAIL, manipulate it to filter out the spam you don't like and then throw up a local web-interface for your mail or use a local client such as mutt. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
spam?
In the last week I got four emails like this one today: From: a href=mailto:br...@cran.org.uk;br...@cran.org.uk/abr/ To: a href=mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com;per...@pluto.rain.com/abr/ CC: a href=mailto:free...@edvax.de;free...@edvax.de/a, a href=mailto:lum...@gmail.com;lum...@gmail.com/a, a href=mailto:freebsd- questi...@freebsd.orgfreebsd-questions@freebsd.org Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: http://www.xpbargains.net;Click here for our We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards Webmaster Thanks. Mitja http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: spam?
On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote: In the last week I got four emails like this one today: From: a href=mailto:br...@cran.org.uk;br...@cran.org.uk/abr/ To: a href=mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com;per...@pluto.rain.com/abr/ CC: a href=mailto:free...@edvax.de;free...@edvax.de/a, a href=mailto:lum...@gmail.com;lum...@gmail.com/a, a href=mailto:freebsd- questi...@freebsd.orgfreebsd-questions@freebsd.org That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are forging emails. See http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.html for more details. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: spam?
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 353, Issue 11, Message: 4 On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote: In the last week I got four emails like this one today: From: a href=mailto:br...@cran.org.uk;br...@cran.org.uk/abr/ To: a href=mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com;per...@pluto.rain.com/abr/ CC: a href=mailto:free...@edvax.de;free...@edvax.de/a, a href=mailto:lum...@gmail.com;lum...@gmail.com/a, a href=mailto:freebsd- questi...@freebsd.orgfreebsd-questions@freebsd.org [I guess it's a gmail option whether to quote messages with addresses shown as HTML urls? Other people seem to be able to avoid doing that] That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are forging emails. See http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.html for more details. G'day Bruce, unfortunately trying to follow that through by 'next in thread' on derkeiler.com lands at a message that they've censored, declaring: Error 410: The page you requested has been removed The page you requested has been removed due to inappropriate content. From there, they leave you no way to finish the thread, in particular to my detailed wannabe FAQ - in reply to you, as it happened - on how folks might solve this issue at: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225226.html That report may or may not help gmail users, as Chris Brennan reported gmail provides no way to filter on message headers such as Message-ID, still at least it shows how to determine that these messages are indeed forgeries. Maybe by now parklogic realise that targetting gmail users will cause the most mischief? Evil doesn't necessarily mean stupid .. As for derkeiler.com's apparently arbitrary censorship, you can see the message they removed, two messages before mine by thread, here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225236.html Apart from charging Svein Skogen with 'signature too long' :) I can't imagine why they or their robot might have taken offense. At least at lists.freebsd.org only something pretty extreme may provoke our esteemed postmaster into removing a message, and there's less obfuscation there of email addresses (like parklogic.com) .. for better or worse. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: see: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld I removed the d. Not too sure about the flying kids, looks a bit porno-related to me. Hmm, I think it's biased too. This is just my opinion though. Further to my email earlier, I present to you my logical analysis of your link, analysed by item: Rule #0: Spam is theft. Mail servers are offering a service. If you don't want to receive spam stop offering the service. Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little bit from each person on the Internet at once. Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver some mail for me. Rule #1: Spammers lie. Assumptive. Just like when you lose something you assume it may be gone for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your pocket. Assumptions can be wrong as well as right. Russel's Admonition: Always assume that there is a measurable chance that the entity you are dealing with is a spammer. Sounds like an instruction. Maybe, it would be better as a guideline: There is a chance a person is attempting to deliver mail, which the sender may want people to read. The words contained in the message are series of numbers and letters which may communicate an idea which you do not agree with. Lexical Contradiction: Spammers will redefine any term in order to disguise their abuse of Internet resources. It is true that some people lie and cheat and say whatever is neccessary for the own personal gain. Most of these lies are to do with a personal motivation to make money. Money, which is a made up idea. Sharp's Corollary: Spammers attempt to re-define spamming as that which they do not do. Hmm. As I continue my analysis it seems that you are defining a spammer as any one who has an idea which you do not like. Just because an idea is not to your liking does not mean that it does not exist. Finnell's Corollary: Spammers define remove as validate. Probably true. Did you ask them? The have phones and watch YouTube, just like you do. Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1. I don't understand this one. You think that because I read it once I did not absorb the information on your web page into my brain and compute for myself an assessment of it's content? Wow. Crissman's Corollary: A spammer, when caught, blames his victims. Well, I'm sure that if no blood is being spilt that forgiveness is possible. Maybe you could forgive spammers for being so misguided? Moore's Corollary: Spammers' lies are seldom questioned by mainstream media. Agreed. This is probably because both spammers (as you define them) and the mainstream media are the same goal - MONEY. So, you see, why don't we just stop using money and maybe some of these problems might go away? Rule #3: Spammers are stupid. Assumptive. I think anyone who is able to reverse-engineer a mail filter is educated enough to know enough about the world in order to abuse it. If we stop using money, people the make the mail filters and those who make the spam could use their skill differently. Krueger's Corollary: Spammer lies are really stupid. Lies always are. All lies are exposed eventually. Pickett's Commentary: Spammer lies are boring. I disagree. Some stories are fascinating; they draw you in with a lure and promise of something great - even if it is just a story. Like the story of money. Of yeah, we made that up didn't we. Russell's Corollary: Never underestimate the stupidity of spammers. If it were my web page (which I don't think it would, but hey, work with me here), instead of that I would probably write: Never assume people spend their time in the same way you do, and accept that people will choose to do different things with their time. Spinosa's Corollary: Spammers assume everybody is more stupid than themselves. Assumptive. I don't assume, I *KNOW* everybody spends their time differently. Spammer's Standard of Discourse: Threats and intimidation trump facts and logic. Facts and logics: an excellent argument. Rule #4: The natural course of a spamming business is to go bankrupt. Bankrupt... to end a process or time with no money... oh dear. Not money again. Hmm. Rules-Keeper Shaffer's Refrain: Spammers routinely prove the Rules of Spam are valid. Humans never cease to amaze me at how wonderful our collective effort has become. Simon Tibble UK How are you going to spend your time from now on? With the kindest of regards from, Simon Tibble 74 Park Street Mountain Ash CF45 3YL GREAT BRITAIN EUROPE THE PLANET EARTH THE MILKY WAY THE UNIVERSE ^^^ Don't you see we share this planet. Let's work together to make it a better place :-) email: si...@tibble.net mailto:si...@tibble.net Domain name: TIBBLE.NET Registrant: Simon Tibble 74 Park Street Penrhiwceiber Mountain Ash, Rhondda Cynon Taff CF45 3YL GB 07767650385Fax: 07767650385 Registration Service
RE: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
snip OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? And now the debian list too? That's great... Dear Hijacker: You are the superior one, all others are inferior. You are right, all others are wrong. Please go away. Perhaps preach your wisdom to a more receptive audience, such as your stuffed toy animals. You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live? Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom. Have a great life. G font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On 28/01/11 16:15, Robert Bonomi wrote: From elb...@gmail.com Fri Jan 28 08:59:21 2011 On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote: see: http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld Rule #0: Spam is theft. Mail servers are offering a service. If you don't want to receive spam stop offering the service. Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little bit from each person on the Internet at once. Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver some mail for me. LIE. What? Now you are saying that you didn't offer to send the mail for me? You just received THIS email so you are STILL offering the service of reception to me. The mailing list operator offered to deliver mail for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE. You _disregarded_ that purpose. Please identify the purpose if it is not discussion. We are discussing spam, are we not? Rule #1: Spammers lie. Assumptive. Just like when you lose something you assume it may be gone for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your pocket. Assumptions can be wrong as well as right. Your are a spammer. Assumptive. I could label you back, but I am able to control my emotions. you lied. see above. Q.E.D. I'm not going to repeat something which has already been done. This is the equivalent of making a journey from my office to the mail box twice just to deliver a single envelope. The rest of your 'analysis' simply proves Shar's Commentary. Who is Shar? And what did they comment? A reference please. I tried a Google search for this, but it is too vague. Enjoy the fruits of your labors. I don't work like you do. I live in a world without money, without rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets. I don't labour anything - I leisure everything. Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:22 AM, elbbit elb...@gmail.com wrote: I don't work like you do. I live in a world without money, without rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets. I don't labour anything - I leisure everything. So Simon, you must be the poor man I pass on the street every day and give Quarters to for coffee? Here is a label for you to chew on YOU ARE A SPAMMER! *THIS* list is for FreeBSD-related questions not for you to shove your inflammatory words down our throats. You've made your point, now please go away. No one *ON THIS LIST* wants to read your words, we no longer care about your opinion or what it means because you clearly don't care about our opinion for you to change the subject and get on a topic for this list. Speaking of topics ... just because a mailing list is open for you to send mail to DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SPAM IT WITH NONSENSE! freebsd-questions has a purpose and it would be wise for you to adhere to it, there are also rules of etiquette which you should also adhere to. Each piece of mail you have sent has been reported to your ISP/Carrier. Each piece of mail you continue to send will lodge you yet another complaint. I will continue to do this till I piss your ISP/Carrier off SO bad, they are left with two choices nullroute me or deal with you since I have many thousands of domains at my disposal, I think, from a business perspective, they will choose to cut you off, cold-turkey then deal w/ the technical resources required to continue to block me, also if enough other people from both the freebsd and debian lists complain, your ISP/Carrier may even choose to seek legal action from you. You *are* in violation of your agreement, a legally binding contract in your country of origin and the ISP/Carrier. Simon, do not reply, we no longer wish to here your dribble and we so desperately wish for you to crawl back into the hole whence you came. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
Hi, OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? And now the debian list too? That's great... Agreed :-) Debian list dropped as cross posting bad. Individual cc's dropped as one is the troll, other don't need copies. For those new to this FreeBSD list who may not know yet, there are generaly 3 ways of rescuing FreeBSD lists: - People reply to troll: Please move to c...@freebsd.org - Or post to list: Please don't feed the troll (Then others cease replying). - /Or report to postmas...@freebsd.org, asking that the troll be added to black list, as postings not relevant to FreeBSD list. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text; Not quoted-printable, Not HTML, Not base 64. Reply below text sections not at top, to avoid breaking cumulative context. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote: snip Oh dear. OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? Hmm. Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance. Hmm. This thread was started by me. Now let me see, yes, I still have my arms and legs. Which must logically mean I have substance. And I have spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and embracing it. From all the information I have learnt about life and other people, I believe I have substance. And, as a result, my creations (my emails) are born from that substance. I forgive you. And now the debian list too? That's great... I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting: forgetting money. Dear Hijacker: You are the superior one, all others are inferior. You are incorrect. I am the same as everyone else, just as you are. You are right, all others are wrong. Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong. Instead, try to realise the truth: people spend their time differently. Your brain is only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based on that information, you make decisions. Please go away. You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around us. Perhaps preach your wisdom to a more receptive audience, I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread, maybe even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves. These are the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst others who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind. Just as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left behind. such as your stuffed toy animals. I don't own any, though my woman has a few. It's a girl thing I think. You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live? I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with my life. Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions and learn new information. Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom. I am not superior. I have spent my time differently. Have a great life. I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even better. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my brain, once I have read them? Simon -- elbbit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
I came from my mother, just as you came from yours. I am not sorry you are unable to accept that my opinion differs from yours, and I hope that we resolve this. I came from a test tube. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
Original Message From: elb...@gmail.com To: ggat...@waddell.com Subject: Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:43:12 + On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote: snip Oh dear. OMFG... how much longer are we going to keep commenting on this worthless thread? Hmm. Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance. Hmm. This thread was started by me. Now let me see, yes, I still have my arms and legs. Which must logically mean I have substance. And I have spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and embracing it. From all the information I have learnt about life and other people, I believe I have substance. And, as a result, my creations (my emails) are born from that substance. I forgive you. And now the debian list too? That's great... I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting: forgetting money. Dear Hijacker: You are the superior one, all others are inferior. You are incorrect. I am the same as everyone else, just as you are. You are right, all others are wrong. Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong. Instead, try to realise the truth: people spend their time differently. Your brain is only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based on that information, you make decisions. Please go away. You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around us. Perhaps preach your wisdom to a more receptive audience, I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread, maybe even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves. These are the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst others who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind. Just as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left behind. such as your stuffed toy animals. I don't own any, though my woman has a few. It's a girl thing I think. You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live? I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with my life. Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions and learn new information. Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom. I am not superior. I have spent my time differently. Have a great life. I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even better. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my brain, once I have read them? Simon -- elbbit I too am tired of this tripe. However, in a world without money, how do you pay your ISP? L -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d42f220.1050...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too :) ): 184 pin RAM DIMM SataIII 4+ ports Either onboard or AGP Video 2x Gigabit LAN Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree. I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA ports is a must :) Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :) Cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too :) ): 184 pin RAM DIMM SataIII 4+ ports Either onboard or AGP Video 2x Gigabit LAN Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree. I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA ports is a must :) Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :) Cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 23 December 2010 08:23, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too :) ): 184 pin RAM DIMM SataIII 4+ ports Either onboard or AGP Video 2x Gigabit LAN Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree. I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA ports is a must :) Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :) Cheers http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-K8N-AMD-Socket-754-AGP-SATA-nForce3-250-MB-EMS-/220703726350?pt=AU_Componentshash=item3362f79b0e#ht_5060wt_1138 I just searched for 754 SATA on ebay.com.au You _are_ dreaming about the 4x SATA though IMO; I'd just get an expansion card. Or get a cheap bundle with new MB/CPU; it's not always worth salvaging an old CPU like that. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 12/23/10 21:36, Chris Rees wrote: On 23 December 2010 08:23, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too :) ): 184 pin RAM DIMM SataIII 4+ ports Either onboard or AGP Video 2x Gigabit LAN Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree. I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA ports is a must :) Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :) Cheers http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-K8N-AMD-Socket-754-AGP-SATA-nForce3-250-MB-EMS-/220703726350?pt=AU_Componentshash=item3362f79b0e#ht_5060wt_1138 I just searched for 754 SATA on ebay.com.au You _are_ dreaming about the 4x SATA though IMO; I'd just get an expansion card. Or get a cheap bundle with new MB/CPU; it's not always worth salvaging an old CPU like that. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting feelers out, though :) Cheers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: snip Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting feelers out, though :) Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939? Sorry you're not having much luck. If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable, but that's better left to someone more local for you! Hope you get some results soon. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote: On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: snip Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting feelers out, though :) Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939? Sorry you're not having much luck. If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable, but that's better left to someone more local for you! Hope you get some results soon. Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that may have been local. I've got wholesale contacts, but I was hoping to make use of this spare chip and RAM floating about. Diff would be around $100, so only kinda worth it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 12/23/10 13:57, Da Rock wrote: I've got wholesale contacts, but I was hoping to make use of this spare chip and RAM floating about. Diff would be around $100, so only kinda worth it. It might be worth looking at Intel Atom processor boards or similar, there are plenty of very low power boards around now. If you can find something that suits you will recoup the cost of the new processor and RAM with much reduced electricity consumption, I believe around 10 times less. There's been a few threads recently about low power boards. eg this thread http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=411819+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101128.freebsd-questions suggests this board http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPE.cfm?typ=HIPMI=Y which looks like it covers what you want. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 23 December 2010 13:57, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote: On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: snip Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting feelers out, though :) Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939? Sorry you're not having much luck. If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable, but that's better left to someone more local for you! Hope you get some results soon. Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that may have been local. I think you're thinking of Socket 462. This might clear it up a little: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon64 Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:23:30 +1000 Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too :) ): 184 pin RAM DIMM SataIII 4+ ports Either onboard or AGP Video 2x Gigabit LAN Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree. I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA ports is a must :) Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :) I just did a quick search on ebay australia for socket 939 motherboard and hit this http://shop.ebay.com.au/?_from=R40_trksid=m570_nkw=socket+939+motherboard_sacat=See-All-Categories One of my computers is a Asus A8N-VM 939. It has 2 ports for SATA and I added another SATA card into the PCI-E x1 slot. I found an AMD64x2 CPU on ebay that was reasonable nad have 4G of RAM. This is not the latest or greatest but it is still a very functional computer. I hope this helps. Robert P.S. I will be taking my first trip to AU in February and am quite excited about it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)
On 12/24/10 01:44, Chris Rees wrote: On 23 December 2010 13:57, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote: On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.auwrote: snip Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting feelers out, though :) Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939? Sorry you're not having much luck. If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable, but that's better left to someone more local for you! Hope you get some results soon. Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that may have been local. I think you're thinking of Socket 462. This might clear it up a little: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon64 Chris No, but you're right I'll agree. Mustn't have been available via my sources though- only the 32bit processors were 754 here, 64 had to be a 939. Probably some smartarse' marketing ploy... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Spam with fake address from the list?
Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org - Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672 Dear Sir/Madam, Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: [1]Click here for our website We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards, Webmaster Verweise 1. http://www.xpbargains.net/ - End forwarded message - -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:40:35 +0100 Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: does someone get this kind of spam too? Yes, lots of people have been getting that for a few months. parklogic claim there's not anything they can do about it despite it apparently coming from their servers. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
If you search the list for the last 2 weeks you will see some extensive posting about it. Use my name and Ian as reference points in your search. There are a few clues there to help you squash this issue. (Sorry for the top-post). -- Sent from my Droid On Dec 16, 2010 6:40 AM, Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org - Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672 Dear Sir/Madam, Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: [1]Click here for our website We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards, Webmaster Verweise 1. http://www.xpbargains.net/ - End forwarded message - -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle Konzack Owner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ #328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
Yes, I'm too! Spam from the list! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org - Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672 Dear Sir/Madam, Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: [1]Click here for our website We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards, Webmaster Verweise 1. http://www.xpbargains.net/ - End forwarded message - -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -- Best regards, Mr.Hien E-mail: phanquoch...@gmail.com Website: www.mrhien.info ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 341, Issue 6, Message: 27 On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:44:09 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:40:35 +0100 Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: does someone get this kind of spam too? Yes, lots of people have been getting that for a few months. parklogic claim there's not anything they can do about it despite it apparently coming from their servers. If you researched the mob running parklogic, I suspect you'd tend to give any claims they may make scant credence, to say the very least. These forged messages were blocked inbound to the FreeBSD mailservers in August, but continue to be sent individually to participants harvested from messages posted to this list, and likely will continue to be. Since this is becoming a FAQ: To date all of these forged messages contain the following mail headers: Return-Path: anonym...@dusk.parklogic.com Received: from dusk.parklogic.com (allmail.0b2.net [64.38.11.26]) Having your mailserver refuse connections from IP address 64.38.11.26 or domain 0b2.net, or envelopes sent by parklogic.com, definitively solves this problem. In sendmail /etc/mail/access syntax, use any or all of: From:parklogic.com REJECT Connect:64.38.11.26 REJECT Connect:0b2.net REJECT For those without control over their inbound mailserver, try to block or filter mail based on those Return-Path: or Received: headers above, or on the Message-ID: header which has always contained 'parklogic.com': Message-ID: 20101110202251.16589.qm...@dusk.parklogic.com And don't forget to wash your hands after flushing :) cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? Yes. Lots of it from various lists and other paths. Just delete it. jerry Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org - Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Michelle Konzack bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672 Dear Sir/Madam, Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: [1]Click here for our website We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards, Webmaster Verweise 1. http://www.xpbargains.net/ - End forwarded message - -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsyst...@tdnet France EURL itsyst...@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
2010-12-16 12:40, Michelle Konzack: Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? No, nothing from the ip-range 69.170.128.0/24 is getting thru. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org - Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: Michelle Konzackbsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot? X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672 Dear Sir/Madam, Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending it to. For more information on our business please click on the following link: [1]Click here for our website We look forward to your continued business in the future. Regards, Webmaster Verweise 1. http://www.xpbargains.net/ - End forwarded message - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
On 16.12.2010 19:56, Bernt Hansson wrote: 2010-12-16 12:40, Michelle Konzack: Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? No, nothing from the ip-range 69.170.128.0/24 is getting thru. I actually have a very specific route, just for them, in my border gateway: ip route 64.38.11.26 255.255.255.255 Null0 Let's just say that I have ... views on incurable spammers. //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Spam with fake address from the list?
2010-12-16 19:59, Sven Skogen (List mail account): On 16.12.2010 19:56, Bernt Hansson wrote: 2010-12-16 12:40, Michelle Konzack: Hello *, does someone get this kind of spam too? No, nothing from the ip-range 69.170.128.0/24 is getting thru. I actually have a very specific route, just for them, in my border gateway: ip route 64.38.11.26 255.255.255.255 Null0 Aha. It's Layered Technologies, Inc. OK we block all ip assigned to them then. Let's just say that I have ... views on incurable spammers. So do we. /BAH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 340, Issue 11, Message: 27 On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:54:37 -0500 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com wrote: No, he didn't. These mails are FORGED as being from freebsd-questions participants, and on first glance may appear to be list postings. They used to get posted to the list itself also, but postmaster@ blocked the nuisance source back in August. However that doesn't stop them from targetting individual list participants, like you. If you examine the full mail headers, it's likely to have originated from the following IP address. If so, you just need to block that address at your mailserver. But if they've moved, we need to know .. Quoting from a message to postmaster@ in August: As Roland pointed out, the phishing/virus/whatever referral has switched from downwind.com.au to xpbargains.net, and possibly some others. Here's the business: % dig +short -x 64.38.11.26 allmail.0b2.net. % dig +short allmail.0b2.net. 64.38.11.26 % dig +short dusk.parklogic.com 64.38.11.26 If you can discard by Message-ID then every one of these, including the privately mailed ones, has @dusk.parklogic.com there. If you can block by IP, then that's the one. Or by hostname, every one so far has been relayed by allmail.0b2.net (that's a zero). So if the full headers reveal coming from that hostname or that IP or any other IP in 64.38.11.26/29, just block that and move on. If it's a different address range now, please provide the full headers for the message you received, with a copy to postmas...@freebsd.org Thanks, Ian (please cc me on any reply, I take this list as a digest) Of all the mail I got on this subject, yours was the most informative. Thanks. But my question is this. Does GMail provide access to the full headers? For example when I click 'Show Details' I see the following and not much else fromPaul B Mahol x...@xx.xx sender-timeSent at 4:30 AM (GMT+11:00). Current time there: 2:35 AM. toChris Brennan x...@xx.xx ccFreeBSD-Questions xx...@xx.xx, Mark x...@xx.xx dateMon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:30 AM subjectRe: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)' The above header just arrived as I was typing this so I thought it an excellent example. Obviously, I've masked addresses but the point is the same, g-mail doesn't give much in the way of detail. Short of flagging one item as spam has the potential risk of sending all FreeBSD-Questions mail to the spam folder which is just a swirling vortex of nothingness that gets deleted. If it's managed to get routed there, it stays there, I rarely go digging for mail in my spam folder because I rarely find stuff that was sent to detention without rightfully being there. C- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:41:48 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Does GMail provide access to the full headers? Click the down arrow and select Show original. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:41:48 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Does GMail provide access to the full headers? Click the down arrow and select Show original. -- Bruce Cran Awesome! Thanks Bruce. Now I can put what Ian provided to good use :D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:30:19 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:41:48 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Does GMail provide access to the full headers? Click the down arrow and select Show original. -- Bruce Cran Awesome! Thanks Bruce. Now I can put what Ian provided to good use :D Yeah good onya Bruce .. I was about to reply that mail headers was one area where gmail provided a little too much in the way of privacy for the message poster, ie headers don't reveal Chris' IP address on this. Chris, could you mail me a copy of those full headers privately? Still curious whether this skanky mob have shifted their operation somewhere. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 340, Issue 11, Message: 27 On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:54:37 -0500 On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com wrote: No, he didn't. These mails are FORGED as being from freebsd-questions participants, and on first glance may appear to be list postings. They used to get posted to the list itself also, but postmaster@ blocked the nuisance source back in August. However that doesn't stop them from targetting individual list participants, like you. If you examine the full mail headers, it's likely to have originated from the following IP address. If so, you just need to block that address at your mailserver. But if they've moved, we need to know .. Quoting from a message to postmaster@ in August: As Roland pointed out, the phishing/virus/whatever referral has switched from downwind.com.au to xpbargains.net, and possibly some others. Here's the business: % dig +short -x 64.38.11.26 allmail.0b2.net. % dig +short allmail.0b2.net. 64.38.11.26 % dig +short dusk.parklogic.com 64.38.11.26 If you can discard by Message-ID then every one of these, including the privately mailed ones, has @dusk.parklogic.com there. If you can block by IP, then that's the one. Or by hostname, every one so far has been relayed by allmail.0b2.net (that's a zero). So if the full headers reveal coming from that hostname or that IP or any other IP in 64.38.11.26/29, just block that and move on. If it's a different address range now, please provide the full headers for the message you received, with a copy to postmas...@freebsd.org Thanks, Ian (please cc me on any reply, I take this list as a digest) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
THE SPAM WE GET [stop fretting and read]
No, this list does not. As I mentioned yesterday, this is an unmonitored, unnannyed list that accepts emails from addresses without checking authenticity... meaning I can post from 4 emails (and I have) and not be subscribed on each address. Spoofing email addresses has happened for years, and with this list's archives being publicly available online it's been happening for a while and will continue to happen until the rules may or may not be changed. -- Ryan On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Paul B Mahol one...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/10/10, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: Umm... what's the dea w/ this? More spam? Not my spam. If you still think that I actually really send this to you I can not help you. Well no Paul, I wasn't blaming you directly, I I just noticed that a lot of mail last night had that message attached to it, even mail from me. By the time I realized that, I was too tired to care. But either way, I'm still curious, does this list generate that message? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: THE SPAM WE GET [stop fretting and read]
On 12/10/10 9:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: No, this list does not. As I mentioned yesterday, this is an unmonitored, unnannyed list that accepts emails from addresses without checking authenticity... meaning I can post from 4 emails (and I have) and not be subscribed on each address. Spoofing email addresses has happened for years, and with this list's archives being publicly available online it's been happening for a while and will continue to happen until the rules may or may not be changed. -- Ryan If this discussion is about the same wave of spam I've been getting examples of in the last couple of days, it should be noted that the mail isn't coming via the mailing list at all. Somebody is harvesting e-mail addresses and subject lines from a month or more ago and sending the spam directly. Folks, you have to read the headers if you want to have a sensible discussion about specific instances of spam. If you don't, you're simply sending yet more noise that's kinda sorta pretending to be signal. My personal rule of thumb with spam is to assume that absolutely everything involved is a lie, this leading to a more accurate overall assessment than the naive thought that any of it might possible be true just because of some social contract. After careful analysis, you *might* conclude that a few things actually are true, but that's different than assuming they are. So, Subject: that look like they're from the FreeBSD mailing list: lie. From: address that of somebody you discussed that topic with on the mailing list: lie. Date:: lie. All lies with one goal, to get you to click through on a URL that is *not* (another lie, get it?) in your self-interest to visit. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com
RE: My mail server flagged spam!
Dear Chuk, Im almost there.. Im trying to tweak local.cf (the spamassassin configuration file) to trust SMTP logins.. and Im kinda lost. I donot use postfix. I use sendmail + spamassassin. FBSD 7.2 Now to avoid the 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MXDelivered direct to MX with OE headers error.. shall i add my domains MX records to local.cf as trusted_networks mail.domain.com or as internal_networks mail.domain.com ? Or its something else! I would appreciate your help. - Marwan On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server, I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) When someone is an authorized user of email, ie, they login to your SMTP server via a good username+password, then you should configure your spam filtering to treat them as trusted. For example, in postfix you could have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, [ ...before checks like... ] check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:12525, check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10023, Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
On Oct 24, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: [ ... ] Now to avoid the 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MXDelivered direct to MX with OE headers error.. shall i add my domains MX records to local.cf as trusted_networks mail.domain.com or as internal_networks mail.domain.com ? Please see: http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.3.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#network_test_options http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/TrustPath Why should trusted_networks and internal_networks ever be different? A mail relay that you want to trust in trusted_networks may itself trust its own internal dynamic IP networks. You may trust them not to be a spam source but putting them into your internal_networks list would create a false positive because then those dynamic IPs would be searched for in the DUL lists. This is an example where the two lists need to be different. If need be, also consider whitelist_from_rcvd (or maybe whitelist_auth if you implement SPF or DKIM). I'm also told that something like: meta AUTHD_RELAY !__LAST_UNTRUSTED_RELAY_NO_AUTH describe AUTHD_RELAY Message submission was via an authenticated user score AUTHD_RELAY -10 I believe there is even an optional patch in the spamass-milter port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/mail/spamass-milter/files/extra-patch-addauth?rev=1.2 ...but it is probably better to just tweak the scoring a bit. Or switch to using amavisd-new, which could allow greater flexibility also Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: My mail server flagged spam!
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Oct 23 17:45:25 2010 From: Marwan Sultan dead_l...@hotmail.com To: m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:46:40 + Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: My mail server flagged spam! Dear Dr. Matthew.=2C =20 When my client or any clients uses the web mail that i have configured= =2C=20 then everything works fine NO spam problems and email will be received by hotmail=2C gmail and vise versa. =20 I found out that this particular client complaining because they use outlook express NOT the web mail. =20 they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. =20 even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server=2C I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) =20 looking at spam log=2C and why its scored as spam.. here is a copy. =20 pts rule name description=20 -- ---= ---=20 0.9 RCVD_IN_PBLRBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus PBL=20 [95.66.68.100 listed in zen.spamhaus.org]=20 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message=20 0.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60%=20 [score: 0.5019]=20 2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIOBODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO=20 0.1 RDNS_NONE Delivered to trusted network by a host with no r= DNS=20 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MX Delivered direct to MX with OE headers=20 =20 =20 As you see 2.8 for DOS_OE_TO_MX and 2.2 for TVD_SPACE_RATIO =20 I have looked for DOS_OE_TO_MX and it says because client is sending directly to MX records? well! i asked them to use mail.server_name.com for income/outgoing for outlook express..but still the same error and email is scored as spam. =20 Any help is highly appreciate it. lots of stuff is mis-configured. If you have people outside your network addresses trying to send mail through your server, you need to be running a 'mail submission agent' on port 587, as well as the MTA on port 25. If you're not doing this already, you'll have to set it up. Since this access is password protected, and available only to your 'trusted' users, it does -not- need spam-filtering on it. (usually, that is -- you know your customers better than we do :) *AND* the client using Outlook Express needs to configure _it_ to use your server *on*port*587* as the 'outgoing mail server'. This will require entering 'authentication' information (username and password) into Outlook Express. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
Marwan Sultan dead_l...@hotmail.com writes: Hello list.. Well! im kinda lost here.. I have like 8 domains hosted in my server. FreeBSD 7.2R, (...) I have few customers complaining that thier emails (...) Anyhints please? Well, i think you should move to Google Apps. It's very safe, reliable. And several big guns use it. An example is below: URL:https://mail.google.com/a/berkeley.edu Sincerely, -- 소여물 황병희(黃炳熙) | .. 출항 15분전.. Consult the best lawyers on criminal law. -- Vito Corleone, Chapter 20, page 296 pgphcuOcb8fXK.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: My mail server flagged spam!
Dear Dr. Matthew., When my client or any clients uses the web mail that i have configured, then everything works fine NO spam problems and email will be received by hotmail, gmail and vise versa. I found out that this particular client complaining because they use outlook express NOT the web mail. they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server, I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) looking at spam log, and why its scored as spam.. here is a copy. pts rule name description -- -- 0.9 RCVD_IN_PBLRBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus PBL [95.66.68.100 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5019] 2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIOBODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO 0.1 RDNS_NONE Delivered to trusted network by a host with no rDNS 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MX Delivered direct to MX with OE headers As you see 2.8 for DOS_OE_TO_MX and 2.2 for TVD_SPACE_RATIO I have looked for DOS_OE_TO_MX and it says because client is sending directly to MX records? well! i asked them to use mail.server_name.com for income/outgoing for outlook express..but still the same error and email is scored as spam. Any help is highly appreciate it. - Marwan Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:42:06 +0100 From: m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk To: dead_l...@hotmail.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My mail server flagged spam! On 21/10/2010 01:10, Marwan Sultan wrote: if I check that domain in mxtoolbox.com it complains Warning - Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner could it be the SMTP banner flagging the mail as spam? This is certainly possible. It would add spam points on my servers. The address in question is the one presented by your mail server during the SMTP dialogue -- the first line it sends in fact. Something like this: EHLO smtp.example.com By default it will use the hostname of your server, but you can override that. It is this address that you have to be really strict about: the address should resolve to the IP that the server connects via (not necessarily the IP of the server if there are NAT gateways involved), and a reverse lookup of that IP should return the name again. This name used in the EHLO banner doesn't have to be anything to do with the addresses on the e-mail, except in as far as either side is using SPF and you have chosen to add that information to the SPF selector(s). SPF seems to be going out of favour now, and sensible mail admins didn't make accept/deny decisions entirely on pass/fail of SPF tests, but still, for best results with a mail system, you should take care to get that right. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server, I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) When someone is an authorized user of email, ie, they login to your SMTP server via a good username+password, then you should configure your spam filtering to treat them as trusted. For example, in postfix you could have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, [ ...before checks like... ] check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:12525, check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10023, Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
