RE: Portsnap vs CSup
From: f...@brightstar.bomgardner.net To: ch...@monochrome.org; cho...@charter.net Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:45:11 -0600 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portsnap vs CSup On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:50:48 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Charles Howse wrote: On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Adam Vandemore wrote: I just noticed the description in the man page for freebsd-update: ...Note that updates are only available if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture being used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT. Is this saying that I can't get a binary upgrade for 6.4-STABLE? That is exactly what it's saying. (You would not believe how long the make world process takes on a Pentium 200!!) I believe it; been there! I seem to recall it went something like 'start the buildworld and go to bed'. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ Rhink that's bad? I've been trying to build KDE4 on a toshiba satellite laptop for over a week now. IHN, Gene compiling the kernel on that could take several days by itself let alone compiling X and then a thick GUI like KDE or GNOME. amazing that a 100MHz system with 48 megs of ram can still run so fast if you build it right. -Sean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Portsnap vs CSup
compiling the kernel on that could take several days by itself let alone compiling X and then a thick GUI like KDE or GNOME. amazing that a 100MHz system with 48 megs of ram can still run so fast if you build it right. for sure not KDE, but X and FreeBSD itself with good software running on it works FAST on 100Mhz machine with 48MB RAM. Yes compiling is slow, but normal usage is FAST. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Old slow computers can still crank away (Formerly RE: Portsnap vs CSup)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:48:26 +0100 From: woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: millenia2...@hotmail.com CC: f...@bomgardner.net; ch...@monochrome.org; cho...@charter.net; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Portsnap vs CSup compiling the kernel on that could take several days by itself let alone compiling X and then a thick GUI like KDE or GNOME. amazing that a 100MHz system with 48 megs of ram can still run so fast if you build it right. for sure not KDE, but X and FreeBSD itself with good software running on it works FAST on 100Mhz machine with 48MB RAM. Yes compiling is slow, but normal usage is FAST. I never used gnome or KDE on it, ran Blackbox insted. _Sean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Old slow computers can still crank away (Formerly RE: Portsnap vs CSup)
for sure not KDE, but X and FreeBSD itself with good software running on it works FAST on 100Mhz machine with 48MB RAM. Yes compiling is slow, but normal usage is FAST. I never used gnome or KDE on it, ran Blackbox insted. of course it's fast. and even slower machines like 486/33 without HD/FDD could be used as X terminals ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Old slow computers can still crank away (Formerly RE: Portsnap vs CSup)
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:12:12 -0400, Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:48:26 +0100 for sure not KDE, but X and FreeBSD itself with good software running on it works FAST on 100Mhz machine with 48MB RAM. Yes compiling is slow, but normal usage is FAST. I never used gnome or KDE on it, ran Blackbox insted. I can ensure that it is still fast. My slowest FreeBSD system, a 150 MHz P1 with 64 (now 128 MB) EDO RAM, is completely usable with WindowMaker and applications that do not try to be an all in one solution, such as mplayer for videos, xmms for MP3 and OGG, gv, xzgv, StarOffice, LaTeX, Opera and other specialized software. In terms of server usage these old systems run quite well, don't consume much power (important when they run 24/7/365). To add this, my 300 MHz P2 with 128 MB RAM runs SLOWER (!) with FreeBSD 5 than my 2 GHz P4 with 768 MB (SDR-SD) RAM with FreeBSD 7. This is mostly due to the software running on top of it. While FreeBSD itself gave a speed boost (in booting and performance), this advantage was eaten up by the new applications completely, due to improved libraries. X starts slower, windows render slower, browser runs slower, nearly everything. I'm not lying, it's the truth. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Kalle Møller freebsd-questi...@k-moeller.dk wrote: Hi I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those two is the correct to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one. -- /km I'm sure they're both correct. I used to use csup (because that was what I learned first - no real reason). Then I switched to portsnap because I read that it has a secure key system to verify the integrity of the download. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
Kalle Møller wrote: Hi I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those two is the correct to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one. Freedom of choice. That choice is up to you. Whichever you you feel most comfortable with...that's the one you should use. Personally, I use both. ~Paul This message may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us immediately and delete this message. See http://www.datapipe.com/emaildisclaimer.aspx for further information on confidentiality and the risks of non-secure electronic communication. If you cannot access these links, please notify us by reply message and we will send the contents to you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Kalle Møller freebsd-questi...@k-moeller.dk wrote: Hi I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those two is the correct to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one. -- /km I don't think its a matter of right/wrong or good/bad. I recently used portsnap and it did a fine (dare I say 'snappy') job. Also, there's not much to learn with regard to portsnap. I can't talk about CVSup, although it doesn't look too complicated. So, if you find in unappealing, you could easily try CVSup without have wasted much time with portsnap. -Neal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
Kalle Møller wrote: Hi I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those two is the correct to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one. There is not necessarily a correct answer, either is correct. However it is generally much more efficient and easier to run portsnap. However portsnap wouldn't help if you're trying to upgrade(or downgrade) your current version of FBSD. Some will setup cron jobs to update ports tree daily, other do it on an as needed basis. Personally, my home desktop I generally update ports a least once a week, while some servers will rarely if ever see an updated ports tree. In general, it's nice to be considerate of bandwidth, so if you don't need it don't run it. freebsd-update is another matter though. Base system security updates are distributed via that channel(binary updates) so it's a good idea to run that regularly. -- Adam Vandemore Systems Administrator IMED Mobility (605) 498-1610 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Adam Vandemore wrote: freebsd-update is another matter though. Base system security updates are distributed via that channel(binary updates) so it's a good idea to run that regularly. I just noticed the description in the man page for freebsd-update: ...Note that updates are only available if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture being used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD 6.1- RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD 7.0- CURRENT. Is this saying that I can't get a binary upgrade for 6.4-STABLE? (You would not believe how long the make world process takes on a Pentium 200!!) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Charles Howse wrote: On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Adam Vandemore wrote: I just noticed the description in the man page for freebsd-update: ...Note that updates are only available if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture being used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT. Is this saying that I can't get a binary upgrade for 6.4-STABLE? That is exactly what it's saying. (You would not believe how long the make world process takes on a Pentium 200!!) I believe it; been there! I seem to recall it went something like 'start the buildworld and go to bed'. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
Charles Howse wrote: On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Adam Vandemore wrote: freebsd-update is another matter though. Base system security updates are distributed via that channel(binary updates) so it's a good idea to run that regularly. I just noticed the description in the man page for freebsd-update: ...Note that updates are only available if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture being used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT. Is this saying that I can't get a binary upgrade for 6.4-STABLE? (You would not believe how long the make world process takes on a Pentium 200!!) Not that it's going to help a tremendous amount but a make -j 2 buildworld may help a bit. There's also some tips on the handbook page for speeding up the process. It would still be a long wait even if you used every optimization technique available. IIRC 2 jobs per core is the optimum level, and building system sources is the only place I've had any with multiple jobs. Multiple jobs w/ gmake under FBSD is basically worthless in my experience and even with BSD make's -B flag results not good. -- Adam Vandemore Systems Administrator IMED Mobility (605) 498-1610 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:39:37 +0100, Kalle Møller wrote Hi I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those two is the correct to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one. -- /km ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- unsubscr...@freebsd.org `As a veteran of both csup and portsnap, I can say that either does the job admirably. The main difference I've found is that portsnap seems to be faster. Go with your own preferences. IHN, Gene -- To everything there is a season, And a time to every purpose under heaven. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:50:48 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hill wrote On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Charles Howse wrote: On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Adam Vandemore wrote: I just noticed the description in the man page for freebsd-update: ...Note that updates are only available if they are being built for the FreeBSD release and architecture being used; in particular, the FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT. Is this saying that I can't get a binary upgrade for 6.4-STABLE? That is exactly what it's saying. (You would not believe how long the make world process takes on a Pentium 200!!) I believe it; been there! I seem to recall it went something like 'start the buildworld and go to bed'. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ Rhink that's bad? I've been trying to build KDE4 on a toshiba satellite laptop for over a week now. IHN, Gene -- To everything there is a season, And a time to every purpose under heaven. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:06:31 -0500 Paul Procacci pproca...@datapipe.com wrote: Freedom of choice. That choice is up to you. Whichever you you feel most comfortable with...that's the one you should use. Personally, I use both. Just don't swap back and forth on the same ports tree. If you switch from csup to portsnap, you should do a portsnap extract, going from portsnap to csup you should ideally delete the tree. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Portsnap vs CSup
At 7:39 PM +0100 3/19/09, Kalle Møller wrote: Hi I've been digging around, but I can't find a clear answer, which of those two is the correct to use. Hence I don't use one now, so if I'm going to learn one, I would prefer it to be the right one. That's a reasonable question to ask. Unfortunately, the answer is it depends on what you want... For my use (as more of a developer), I go with csup or cvsup for most of my machines. But on the slower machines that I have, portsnap might be a better choice. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= g...@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or g...@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor dro...@rpi.edu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
