Re: Suggestion
On 03/13/12 02:14, Allen wrote: On 3/11/2012 7:33 PM, Da Rock wrote: On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. Windows is a poorly made joke. We all know this deep down. Does no one read Computer History? Microsoft was marketing Xenix before IBM said "We need an OS that blows for a Computer that has similar power to a calculator ten years from now" and Microsoft said "We can do that!" Well, we can BUY that Seattle Computer Products has this OS called QDOS that is a rip off of CP/M and stands for "Quick Dirty Operating System" if we buy that for a rip off price and rename it Disk Operating System, even though it can't handle Disks anyway, we can use this! IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up their work once ported, and then said "we can do a lot better now" and Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, file based devices, etc). Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. And a movie. As for the OS, I don't care. They got it right with Unix years earlier, why stop now? You realise, of course, that a lot of things you take for granted on BSD Unix was ported from Plan9? Yes, they got it right the first time. _And_ the second. People were impressed, but it would have taken too much effort to change ingrained ways and habits. AT&T didn't care about Unix until they were allowed to make money off it, but the problem there, is that Berkeley got a copy of it, and some Brilliant Hackers started working on it. The CSRG at Berkeley did things that made more possible. Then they came up with BSD, and, well, we're still using it Today. Many people would consider 6 months to a year a long time in Computer terms, and 5 years with the same OS, is considered damn good. So what does this say about BSD? We're still using an OS that was born in 1969, changed in the 70s by the Brilliance of Berkeley, and now still going strong after so long. That's not only saying something, that's a Historical thing. It is astounding. For around 20 years it hung around before they came up with something new, 40 years on and its still going strong - cars don't even last that long; or some buildings for that matter! So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame. Oh well. We don't really have to deal with DOS anymore, and FreeDOS has done things even Microsoft couldn't buy their way through. Then we have Windows, Linux, Unix, and of course, the other toys from other people. I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd use on those. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 3/12/2012 2:00 PM, Paul Macdonald wrote: > On 12/03/2012 18:40, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote: >>> ... One word that is rampant... Alligations >> Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator? >> > sometimes i wish the lists had a "like" button :P > > HA! I just love my HTC auto correct. But to the point ... Sure, I *like* it. -- Keep well, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 12/03/2012 18:40, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote: ... One word that is rampant... Alligations Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator? sometimes i wish the lists had a "like" button :P -- - Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting - t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546
Re: Suggestion
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote: >> >> I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. > > Give the Haiku project a look. It's meant to be some kind of inheritor > of the BeOS legacy. > May I suggest MenuetOS if you are really looking for something cool -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:20:03AM -0500, Chris wrote: > ... One word that is rampant... Alligations Is that where someone makes a claim that someone else is an alligator? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14:39PM -0400, Allen wrote: > > I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Give the Haiku project a look. It's meant to be some kind of inheritor of the BeOS legacy. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:14:39 -0400 Allen wrote: > > Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. I never thought I'd see this on FreeBSD list! I guess I have now lived long enough as they say. > Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, > and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are > into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs > and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like > them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd You are either stealing my thoughts or are my long lost twin. Either way, no matter what you post from now on you are a genius in my book! -- Rod Person http://www.rodperson.com rodper...@rodperson.com 'Silence is a fence around wisdom' ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 3/11/2012 7:33 PM, Da Rock wrote: > On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote: >> On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: >> >>> No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the >>> newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the >>> bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix >>> (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of >>> hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security >>> to boot. Windows is a poorly made joke. We all know this deep down. Does no one read Computer History? Microsoft was marketing Xenix before IBM said "We need an OS that blows for a Computer that has similar power to a calculator ten years from now" and Microsoft said "We can do that!" Well, we can BUY that Seattle Computer Products has this OS called QDOS that is a rip off of CP/M and stands for "Quick Dirty Operating System" if we buy that for a rip off price and rename it Disk Operating System, even though it can't handle Disks anyway, we can use this! >> IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - >> Unix, >> Mac... They never tried to be better... > Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up > their work once ported, and then said "we can do a lot better now" and > Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for > supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while > a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, > file based devices, etc). Plan 9 is a record label started by Glenn Danzig. And a movie. As for the OS, I don't care. They got it right with Unix years earlier, why stop now? AT&T didn't care about Unix until they were allowed to make money off it, but the problem there, is that Berkeley got a copy of it, and some Brilliant Hackers started working on it. The CSRG at Berkeley did things that made more possible. Then they came up with BSD, and, well, we're still using it Today. Many people would consider 6 months to a year a long time in Computer terms, and 5 years with the same OS, is considered damn good. So what does this say about BSD? We're still using an OS that was born in 1969, changed in the 70s by the Brilliance of Berkeley, and now still going strong after so long. That's not only saying something, that's a Historical thing. > So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original > designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame. Oh well. We don't really have to deal with DOS anymore, and FreeDOS has done things even Microsoft couldn't buy their way through. Then we have Windows, Linux, Unix, and of course, the other toys from other people. I'd like BeOS to come back, but I'm quite happy with BSD and Linux. Of course, if I won the Lotto or something, I'd re-design my House, and turn this room into a true Computer Lab. My Wife and I both are into Computers, and we both Love Unix. We'd buy sun Machines, Sparcs and, for me, a full set of SGI Workstations and Servers. And I'd like them to be running IRIX, except the new ones, I don't know what I'd use on those. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
2012-03-11 18:42, Polytropon skrev: On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: FAT rules! Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... Sorry, you must be wrong. I tried to FORMAT.EXE my toaster Perhaps you didn't plug it in right. Sata, FW or usb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 03/11/12 21:03, ajtiM wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Hah! They didn't need to. The guys who designed Unix finally wound up their work once ported, and then said "we can do a lot better now" and Plan9 was born. The change was too dramatic for commerce to change for supposedly little reward, and so Plan9 was left on the backburner while a lot of its features were integrated into other *nix platforms (rc, file based devices, etc). So in a way they did try to be better, but not exactly with the original designers blessing. And Plan9 is still an immature child... shame. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Alejandro Imass writes: > >> > > FAT rules! > >> > > >> > Uh . . . what? > >> > >> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... > > The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design. I can think of two: Its properties are well understood. There are a multitude of drivers, at least some well-coded. Many are even open source. :-) And for one of its tasks - as a format for media to be read by multiple devices, presumably under the control of/with the permission of a single person - what exactly is the better alternative? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > FAT rules! > > > > Uh . . . what? > > It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... Sorry, you must be wrong. I tried to FORMAT.EXE my toaster but it didn't work. It turned into a bread slicer instead. Maybe the toaster is too old and requires paper tape... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:13:09 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro Imass > wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris > > wrote: > >> ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an > >> evil thing when done by corporate "insert name here". > >> > > > > Ah yes, the ignorance > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott > > And you say there is no relationship: > > http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/microsoft-versus-open-source-in-the-third-world-20021115/ Seriously, did anyone bother to look at the dates of those articles? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ If there is a wrong way to do something, then someone will do it. Edward A. Murphy, Jr. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
... One word that is rampant... Alligations Sent from my HTC. - Reply message - From: "Alejandro Imass" Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 10:04 am Subject: Suggestion To: "Chris" Cc: "FreeBSD" On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris wrote: > ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil > thing when done by corporate "insert name here". > Ah yes, the ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris wrote: >> ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil >> thing when done by corporate "insert name here". >> > > Ah yes, the ignorance > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott And you say there is no relationship: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/microsoft-versus-open-source-in-the-third-world-20021115/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Chris wrote: > ... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil > thing when done by corporate "insert name here". > Ah yes, the ignorance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
... Ah yes, trying to feed the world where hunger is rampant is an evil thing when done by corporate "insert name here". Yes, I believe I see the relationship Sent from my HTC. - Reply message - From: "Alejandro Imass" Date: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 9:46 am Subject: Suggestion To: "FreeBSD" On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700 > Erich Dollansky articulated: > >> > > FAT rules! >> > >> > Uh . . . what? >> >> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... > > And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any > operating system. However, the "exFAT" system is becoming more > prevalent due to its more versatile design. > The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design. It's only because of Microsoft's dominance of the market. They achieved this dominance not by providing good software, but rather by user the drug dealer's / gangster model in which they are very lax about people copying their crappy software, and then pressuring them into paying out with the BSA. Meanwhile, people became dependent (addicted) to their file formats such as xls and doc, in a vicious cycle making Microsoft ever more powerful over people's will. They didn't kill off the competition by providing better products and services, they just bullied their way through by threatening distributors and hardware manufacturers, and later consumers. Today, Microsoft is still doing this by providing "free software" to third world schools and governments, much like Nestle does by providing "free powdered milks and baby formula" in Africa, or like Monsanto does when providing super seeds to struggling farmers. As I heard someone say recently "if Al Capone were alive today he'd run a tech company". -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700 > Erich Dollansky articulated: > >> > > FAT rules! >> > >> > Uh . . . what? >> >> It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... > > And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any > operating system. However, the "exFAT" system is becoming more > prevalent due to its more versatile design. > The only reason it's so popular is not precisely for good design. It's only because of Microsoft's dominance of the market. They achieved this dominance not by providing good software, but rather by user the drug dealer's / gangster model in which they are very lax about people copying their crappy software, and then pressuring them into paying out with the BSA. Meanwhile, people became dependent (addicted) to their file formats such as xls and doc, in a vicious cycle making Microsoft ever more powerful over people's will. They didn't kill off the competition by providing better products and services, they just bullied their way through by threatening distributors and hardware manufacturers, and later consumers. Today, Microsoft is still doing this by providing "free software" to third world schools and governments, much like Nestle does by providing "free powdered milks and baby formula" in Africa, or like Monsanto does when providing super seeds to struggling farmers. As I heard someone say recently "if Al Capone were alive today he'd run a tech company". -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:23:54 +0700 Erich Dollansky articulated: > > > FAT rules! > > > > Uh . . . what? > > It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... And for a very good reason; it is virtually universally usable by any operating system. However, the "exFAT" system is becoming more prevalent due to its more versatile design. To use a camera as an example, any manufacturer that would use a file system that was not compatible with MS Windows would be driving the company into bankruptcy. There are dozens of Windows based applications that can handle images stored on various types of cameras At best, there are only a few designed for the non-Windows world, and they work like crap, if you can get one to work at all. They are all feature poor, again assuming you can get one to actually work without having an engineering degree. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Saturday 10 March 2012 17:36:53 Da Rock wrote: > No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the > newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the > bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix > (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of > hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security > to boot. > IMO it is the Microsoft and CO. tactics how to eliminate concurency - Unix, Mac... They never tried to be better... Mitja http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Hi, I think that your irony detectors got damaged while reading my post. I am sorry for this. On Sunday 11 March 2012 10:53:26 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > > > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to > > > name a few: > > > > - apps re-write system libs at will > > > > Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? > > I'm not aware of any cases where installing or firing up an editor, web > server, or mail user agent alters base system libraries. I think you are > mistaken. > Isn't this a cool feature? > > > > > > - no lib versioning > > > > I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I > > remember they put a version number into the library name. > > I read "no lib versioning" as meaning "we don't get the same support for > being able to use multiple versions of a library for different purposes," > but maybe I'm mistaken. How can you say this? > > > > - no filesystem-based security > > > > FAT rules! > > Uh . . . what? It is on every phone, every camera, every toaster ... > > > > - default network protocols are insecure > > > > Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do > > some catching up. > > I suspect this was a reference to things like SMB/CIFS and other common > networking protocols and toolsets on MS Windows systems. Is this all in there by default? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:31:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to > > name a few: Actually, I disagree with this statement. Many of MS Windows' problems are a result of poor management, too. For instance, the policy of hiding (known) grave security issues for years, and of launching smear campaigns against security researchers who get tired of waiting for Microsoft to do anything about such grave vulnerabilities and thus publish information for end users to use in making technology decisions and trying to mitigate their exposure, adds up to a whole lot of problem for MS Windows, too. It's certainly true that a lot of problems are based on poor design, though. > > > > - no clean separation of system and apps > > it is very clearly separated. Perhaps you can explain the pervasive spread of IE's tentacles throughout the system for much of the lifetime of the MS Windows family of operating systems, then. > > > - apps re-write system libs at will > > Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? I'm not aware of any cases where installing or firing up an editor, web server, or mail user agent alters base system libraries. I think you are mistaken. > > > - no lib versioning > > I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I > remember they put a version number into the library name. I read "no lib versioning" as meaning "we don't get the same support for being able to use multiple versions of a library for different purposes," but maybe I'm mistaken. > > > - there is not out of the box user / admin separation > > Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give > every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. 1. Plan 9: some kind of next generation rights management and privilege separation 2. FreeBSD: architectural privilege separation between user accounts 3. MS Windows: user-level restrictions on what users can do, trivially bypassed by DRM software and malicious code I think the way you try to paint situations 2 and 3 as being equivalent is grossly off the mark. > > > - no filesystem-based security > > FAT rules! Uh . . . what? > > > - default network protocols are insecure > > Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do > some catching up. I suspect this was a reference to things like SMB/CIFS and other common networking protocols and toolsets on MS Windows systems. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 03/11/12 02:31, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: [...] it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'. wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to name a few: - no clean separation of system and apps it is very clearly separated. - apps re-write system libs at will Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? - no lib versioning I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they put a version number into the library name. - there is not out of the box user / admin separation Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. No system is actually truly capable of this, with the exception of the newest kid on the block Plan9. Winblows, in its current form, is the bastard love child of DOS and some black sheep cousin of Unix (twice-removed), so its not happening there either; just some sleight of hand tricks to partially achieve the result with a decrease of security to boot. - no filesystem-based security FAT rules! - default network protocols are insecure Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some catching up. ...and this is only scratching the surface Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: Cash rules! Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 22:08:37 Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > > > On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: > > [...] it seems that you delete the 'masterpiece'. > > > > > wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems > > Windows has are not linked to design. > > I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!! > > ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to > name a few: > > - no clean separation of system and apps it is very clearly separated. > - apps re-write system libs at will Isn't this another masterpiece FreeBSD is far off achieving? > - no lib versioning I think that you are wrong here. It a long time ago but I think I remember they put a version number into the library name. > - there is not out of the box user / admin separation Another point where FreeBSD is far behind. It is not possible to give every user on FreeBSD its own account and full administration rights. > - no filesystem-based security FAT rules! > - default network protocols are insecure Windows has meanwhile default network protocols? I think, I have to do some catching up. > > ...and this is only scratching the surface > > Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with > SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These > folks are marketing machines, not technology companies: Cash rules! Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Erich Dollansky
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote:
[...]
>
> wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems
> Windows has are not linked to design.
I am guessing this is a sarcastic comment!!
ALL of Windows' problems are precisely based on poor design... just to
name a few:
- no clean separation of system and apps
- apps re-write system libs at will
- no lib versioning
- there is not out of the box user / admin separation
- no filesystem-based security
- default network protocols are insecure
...and this is only scratching the surface
Windows is a well-marketed (gangster-style) piece of crap. Same with
SAP, Oracle and many other widely-used "enterprise grade" IT. These
folks are marketing machines, not technology companies:
q{
There is no inherent value in a technology per se. The value is
determined instead by the business model used to bring it to market.
The same technology taken to the market through two different business
models will yield different amounts of value. An inferior technology
with a better business model will often trump a better technology
commercialized through an inferior business model.
}
"Open Innovation", (Chesbrough 2003)
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Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 14:28:05 Joshua Isom wrote: > On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. > > Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. > > > > It is a masterpiece on its own. > > Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in > wine and not windows. > I know of one case in which the virus worked on wine too. > The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally > broken as well. wine was able to fix the problem. Do not forget that most of the problems Windows has are not linked to design. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 3/9/2012 7:07 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. Erich Wine got some of the security issues to match, and they were found in wine and not windows. The problem is, when you're mirroring a broken system, you're naturally broken as well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 01:56:25AM -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community > and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar > looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD > and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont > trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. That had to be the weakest troll attempt I've ever seen. I actually think that ReactOS, if run by people who weren't tied down by some unfortunate misconceptions, might have been a really good idea -- not as a great OS in its own right, but rather as a gateway drug for Unix-like OSes. Alas, that was not to be. Instead, it looks like it will just be a never-was (and occasional grist for some very weak trolling). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 03/10/12 11:07, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote: I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. ROFL! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Saturday 10 March 2012 07:57:59 Graeme Dargie wrote: > > > I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a > proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly > claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! > you can see on this how difficult it is to be 100% compatible with Windows. Especially the Virus layer of Windows is hard to redo. It is a masterpiece on its own. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: Suggestion
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bruno Comerci Sent: 09 March 2012 04:56 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestion Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" I try not to reply to these things, but I have to say this bloke is having a proper tin bath (laugh) in development since 1996 their website proudly claims, and here we are in 2012 and it is still an alpha! Regards Graeme ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Friday 09 March 2012 01:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote: > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and > to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and > functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join > forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Hey Man (man ???) ! Your mom should be running after you all over the house, with your hot milk bottle and pacifier in hand, because you skipped your nap time. Please, have mercy on her and go right up to bed. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS > project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around > the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than > Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS > team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS > seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. That was funny. Best laugh I've had all day, but then it's early so there room for improvement. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
> Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? You answered your own question. My guess? People who are too cheap to buy Windows and too stupid to figure out how to find a free copy of XP or Win 7 on the net and do the activation or find a password. That's a pretty small user space. > I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a > crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu? (nobody in the room raises his hand) I'll take some of what our pal Bruno is freebasing though. There's a crackwhore I've been meaning to bang. > I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after > reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's > basically a GnuWindows crap hole, Pardon my proofreading but I think you probably should have written "crap-hole" or "craphole" here. Nevertheless you expressed the idea quite well. ;-) To all the thought-provoking responses thus far I will add my own: You idiots were not only stupid enough to waste your lives copying the functionality of the most broken binary blob in the world and you GPL'd what you came up with?! That really says it all...talk about adding insult to injury. I'll run bootlegged copies of XP before I touch your crap-hole with a ten foot shovel LOL. _ ___ _ _ __ __ _ ___ _ | T / \ | T| T| T T/ ___/ / _]|\ / ___/ | |Y Y| || || | ( \_ / [_ | D )( \_ | l___ | O || l___ | l___ | | |\__ TY_]|/ \__ T | T| || T| T| : |/ \ || [_ |\ / \ | | |l !| || |l |\|| T| . Y \| l_j \___/ l_jl_j \__,_j \___jl_jl__j\_j \___j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Hi, On Friday 09 March 2012 11:56:25 Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS > project? hey, who clean my desk now? I was just eating when I read this crap. Best trolling ever! > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around > the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than > Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS > team to accelerate their process. have you ever thought, why certain function calls in Windows look the same in FreeBSD? > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS > seems to be that one that we all are wating for. While ReactOS will come out in 20 or 30 years, BSD is around for more than 30 years. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS > project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around > the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than > Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS > team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS > seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > Dude...! Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard... > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Troll alert. (just let it die) On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS > project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around > the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than > Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS > team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS > seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Hi. On 09.03.2012 10:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. The only project that has even worser situation with development than ReactOS is actually OS/2 community kernel development project, known as OS/4. So why ReactOS. Who even needs EoL WinXP clone. Which is, by the way, still not production-ready. Win8 is on its way. It will bury you completely. Eugene. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:56:25 -0300, Bruno Comerci wrote: > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you > join to the ReactOS project? Because I like to _act_, instead to just RE-act. REact to some old-fashioned and spoiled concepts and incompatible infrastructures without any future... > It would be more beneficial to the internet community [...] You _know_ that the "inner bowels" of the Internet run UNIX, _not_ "Windows", right? > [...] and > to the users around the world who wants a free OS with > similar looking and functions than Windows, [...] Just install the Redmond-inspired themes for KDE or Gnome, install wine, and I assume for 99% of imaginable cases you have a solution, if it _has_ to be some "Windows" stuff. If not, learn something new - which is the _real_ benefit than hanging around with short-term knowledge as it is common in MICROS~1 land -, and use a free alternative. Better security, more features, less money. > [...] if you just throw away your FreeBSD Throw away something that just works? Who could be that heavily distracted from reality? > [...] and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate > their process. Nothing to say against that passage, but resources in FreeBSD development are limited. They are better invested in bringing FreeBSD into its future - because it _has_ a future (unlike legacy operating systems that seem to be intended to primarily run commercial software that has been expensive when bought, but that won't run on current MICROS~1 technology). > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully > trusted, [...] OpenBSD? :-) Really: Only operating systems that are available as source code have the chance to be trusted. The more people perform audits and actually look at the source code, the better it is. > [...] but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. At least _I_ am not waiting for it (which proves your allquantified "we all" as false by one counterexample -- simple logic). I would - under no circumstances - trade a stable and powerful OS that runs a plethora of applications and utilizes modern technology for something that tries to be like "Windows", even if it's better in terms of source availability, but worse as it's repeating all the things that MICROS~1 has done wrong. > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows [...] To be honest, I would even pay money for FreeBSD if it was a commercial OS, because it really does what I need. Luckily, it can be obtained and used for free, unlike "Windows" which you can't even try out without contamining your hard disk. > [...] and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Why is that? Do you believe that imitating MICROS~1 technology is generally better? Or what is the reason? I'd be interested in learning more. For further trust, an OpenBSD psychotherapy is highly advised. ... I also run OpenBSD, so don't bash me for this comment. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 3/8/2012 11:56 PM, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet > community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with > similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away > your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate > their process. > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows > and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. Did I miss something? Did everyone pass out free crack today? I just looked up ReactOS to see WTF this guy was talking about, and now I'm totally confused Who in their right mind would EVER want to run this crap? Wasting time... Right... You want people to give up on BSD, a great OS, and Unix in general, for WINDOWS?!?!?!?! I don't care if Microsoft released the Source Code for Windows NT, 2000, XP, and Windows Server 2003 TODAY... I still wouldn't use it. I like Unix. Actually, I like BSD and Linux, and I kinda miss BeOS, but there is no way I'm going to sit down, toss out years worth of books and DVDs I've accumulated over the years, and use some POS OS that's trying to look like Windows. I'm not using ReactOS, and I'm not sure if this was a Troll post, or a crackhead, but who here REALLY misses a Start Menu? If you don't trust open / source code available if you want it software And if you're a coder who works on that POS, why not look though the sources for BSD and see it's better than most. I had heard of ReactOS, but I never looked into it much, but after reading this I had to check out what it was. After seeing that it's basically a GnuWindows crap hole, I stopped reading and started getting confused. I'm watching Clerks II right now, and it's the part where Jay is singing "Good Bye Horses", and what he's hiding, is exactly what I think ReactOS can suck on. I'm not leaving BSD for some stupid start menu. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 03/09/12 16:56, Hexing B wrote: Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? Wine would be illegal then. This is Wine on steroids, and then some. Poke a needle in for testing and it will pop ;) Frankly, its not as good as winblow$ and cant do pretty much anything else with it, so its hopeless. Useable for as the OP said, if you can't afford winblows and couldn't be bothered to learn something else. Others mileage may vary though. I trust FreeBSD by now, though ReactOS is worth researching. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 03/09/12 14:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: Hi guys. Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS project? It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS team to accelerate their process. Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. Sincerely, Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust Linux and any other Unix-based OS. What? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Get real... Sincerely Common world's citizen who doesn't trust Windows as far they could throw it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
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Re: Suggestion
Isn't it illegal to emulate windows OS? I trust FreeBSD by now, though ReactOS is worth researching. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, ill...@gmail.com wrote: > On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > > > Hi guys. > > > > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the > ReactOS project? > > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users > around the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions > than Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the > ReactOS team to accelerate their process. > > > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but > ReactOS seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. > > I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* > > -- > -- > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On 8 March 2012 23:56, Bruno Comerci wrote: > > Hi guys. > > > Instead of wasting your time and man power, why wont you join to the ReactOS > project? > It would be more beneficial to the internet community and to the users around > the world who wants a free OS with similar looking and functions than > Windows, if you just throw away your FreeBSD and join forces with the ReactOS > team to accelerate their process. > > Actually there isnt any single free OS that can be fully trusted, but ReactOS > seems to be that one that we all are wating for. > > > Sincerely, > Common world's citizen who dont have money to pay Windows and dont trust > Linux and any other Unix-based OS. I agree. I've had a bit too much to drink myself. *hic* -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
Just to clarify, when I say 'unused slices', I mean those of other operating systems I was no longer interested in having around, not as in 'marked as free space'. Thanks! -Modulok- On 12/21/09, Modulok wrote: >>> "As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error." > > Perhaps, but I've had situations in which fdisk would not alter a PC > partition (slice) table. Particularly a table on a disk which the > operating itself is running off of. I attempted to delete some unused > slices (not the one FreeBSD was one) and the master boot record > remained unaltered. I tried the same with gpart and everything worked > fine. I wish I would have know about gpart earlier though. > > -Modulok- > > On 12/20/09, Roland Smith wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote: >>> Just a suggestion: >>> >>> In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note >>> that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? >>> Something like: >>> >>> "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work >>> correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use >>> gpart(8) instead." >> >> As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error. In >> the >> cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was >> given. I've always just ignored it. >> >> Roland >> -- >> R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ >> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] >> pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) >> > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
>> "As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error." Perhaps, but I've had situations in which fdisk would not alter a PC partition (slice) table. Particularly a table on a disk which the operating itself is running off of. I attempted to delete some unused slices (not the one FreeBSD was one) and the master boot record remained unaltered. I tried the same with gpart and everything worked fine. I wish I would have know about gpart earlier though. -Modulok- On 12/20/09, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote: >> Just a suggestion: >> >> In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note >> that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? >> Something like: >> >> "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work >> correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use >> gpart(8) instead." > > As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error. In the > cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was > given. I've always just ignored it. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:40:48PM -0700, Modulok wrote: > Just a suggestion: > > In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note > that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? > Something like: > > "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work > correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use > gpart(8) instead." As far as I know, "the class not found" just a warning, not an error. In the cases where I've seen it, fdisk still carried out the command it was given. I've always just ignored it. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpCf4JEWqRqn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Suggestion for the fdisk(8) manual page...
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:40:48 +0100, Modulok wrote: List, Just a suggestion: In the 'Bugs' section of the 'fdisk(8)' man page, could we get a note that informs users that fdisk is kind of... broken and obsolete? Something like: "fdisk is slowly being replaced by gpart(8). fdisk may not work correctly. If you see errors such as "fdisk: Class not found", use gpart(8) instead." That way, when you're confronted by the initially mysterious, "fdisk: Class not found" error, you don't waste tons of time double and triple checking slice table syntax and what not. Maybe even right at the top of the man page. Yes, it bit me today. Looking through the archives, apparently I'm not the only one. Thanks! -Modulok- Wow.. I wish I knew there *was* any gpart at the first place! I'm still kinda new to FreeBSD -- been using it since 7.0-RELEASE. Every time I had to make some changes to my partition table, I looked WTF-ly at fdisk manpage, then grabbed a Fedora live CD and made the changes from there. gpart looks like something that would do what I needed to do and would not require me to wonder if I got some obscure syntax right when modifying my partitions. So I'd like to second your suggestion: Mentioning gpart in man fdisk would've definitely saved my time. ~ Ondra ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Why not just install GRUB and use any boot splash you see fit? Hell you could even spin you're own fBSD release with this as a default if u wanted. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Ryan da Silva wrote: > Hello, > > > > If someone could pass this suggestion on i'd appreciate it. It's going > to sound a little picky, and probably crazy but I'm an honest and > forward person so I'll just say it. > > > > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. I love this product > and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. > Maybe instead of the large logo simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy > right" etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux > (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). I am not a linux person. I > think FreeBSD is the way for professionals. But the inner perfectionist > in me HAD to send this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v > 7.1 RTM. > > > > If this isn't the right group, and you know how to get in touch with the > people who can help, I would greatly appreciate it. > > > > Cheers to everyone who has made this great product! > > > > Ryan da Silva > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > -- "Opportunity is most often missed by people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." Thomas Alva Edison - Inventor of 1093 patents, including the light bulb, phonogram and motion pictures. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Re: Suggestion Thanks everyone. The serial console is a good point. Ryan Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld - Original Message - From: Modulok <modu...@gmail.com> To: Frank Shute <fr...@shute.org.uk>; cpghost <cpgh...@cordula.ws>; Ryan da Silva; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Sent: Sun Jan 04 19:21:58 2009 Subject: Re: Suggestion > > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me > > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the > > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, > > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only > > thing that says amateur about the product. Gratuitous misuse of iconic representations, logos and other pointless flair is one of the reasons I moved to beastie. The thing that makes me think of it as a 'professional enterprise-grade operating system' is that I can deploy it and not have to worry about it. The documentation is also excellent. It is these things that make it good, not loading screens, glossy icons, buttons and logos. Besides, I like the little ASCII logo. Ironic for a visual effects artist though :)~ To each his own. -Modulok- On 1/4/09, Frank Shute <fr...@shute.org.uk> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote: >> > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo >> > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me >> > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the >> > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, >> > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only >> > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the >> > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. >> >> You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie. >> Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf: >> >> loader_logo="beastie" > > and: > > loader_color="YES" > > to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;) > >> >> If you want to change the logo or add a new one, >> have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where >> the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may >> seem a little bit opaque at first. >> >> > I love this product and would like to suggest changing that >> > screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo >> > simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy right" etc. Or heck, maybe a >> > color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in >> > Centos/Trixbox). >> >> The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it >> too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your >> customized logo too. >> >> A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so >> good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on >> headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate >> circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why >> the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable, >> and to a certain extent customizable. > > Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader";>http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader > > The page was last updated in July by the looks of it. > > <snip> >> >> Regards, >> -cpghost. > > Regards, > > -- > > Frank > > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html";>http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions";>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > __ This e-mail has been scanned by Spam Manager Email Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
> > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me > > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the > > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, > > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only > > thing that says amateur about the product. Gratuitous misuse of iconic representations, logos and other pointless flair is one of the reasons I moved to beastie. The thing that makes me think of it as a 'professional enterprise-grade operating system' is that I can deploy it and not have to worry about it. The documentation is also excellent. It is these things that make it good, not loading screens, glossy icons, buttons and logos. Besides, I like the little ASCII logo. Ironic for a visual effects artist though :)~ To each his own. -Modulok- On 1/4/09, Frank Shute wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote: >> > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo >> > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me >> > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the >> > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, >> > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only >> > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the >> > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. >> >> You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie. >> Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf: >> >> loader_logo="beastie" > > and: > > loader_color="YES" > > to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;) > >> >> If you want to change the logo or add a new one, >> have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where >> the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may >> seem a little bit opaque at first. >> >> > I love this product and would like to suggest changing that >> > screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo >> > simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy right" etc. Or heck, maybe a >> > color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in >> > Centos/Trixbox). >> >> The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it >> too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your >> customized logo too. >> >> A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so >> good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on >> headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate >> circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why >> the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable, >> and to a certain extent customizable. > > Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader > > The page was last updated in July by the looks of it. > > >> >> Regards, >> -cpghost. > > Regards, > > -- > > Frank > > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 04:02:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote: > > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo > > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me > > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the > > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, > > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only > > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the > > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. > > You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie. > Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf: > > loader_logo="beastie" and: loader_color="YES" to get beastie in all his colourful glory ;) > > If you want to change the logo or add a new one, > have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where > the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may > seem a little bit opaque at first. > > > I love this product and would like to suggest changing that > > screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo > > simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy right" etc. Or heck, maybe a > > color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in > > Centos/Trixbox). > > The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it > too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your > customized logo too. > > A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so > good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on > headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate > circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why > the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable, > and to a certain extent customizable. Oliver Fromme was working on a graphical bootloader: http://wiki.freebsd.org/OliverFromme/BootLoader The page was last updated in July by the looks of it. > > Regards, > -cpghost. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 01:26:03AM -0500, Ryan da Silva wrote: > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. You can change the logo yourself, e.g. to Beastie. Just add this line to /boot/loader.conf: loader_logo="beastie" If you want to change the logo or add a new one, have a look at /boot/beastie.4th. That's where the graphics are. This is Forth, so the code may seem a little bit opaque at first. > I love this product and would like to suggest changing that > screen. To what? I don't know. Maybe instead of the large logo > simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy right" etc. Or heck, maybe a > color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux (from what i've seen in > Centos/Trixbox). The beastie logo is in ANSI-color (there's a bw version of it too). You can create your own ANSI-color representation of your customized logo too. A fully graphical boot logo (e.g. by switching to VESA) won't be so good, because there are many users out there who boot FreeBSD on headless devices (like Soekris), which don't have the appropriate circuitry and have to fall back to the serial console. That's why the current boot screen is very good: it's lightweight, portable, and to a certain extent customizable. > I am not a linux person. I think FreeBSD is the way > for professionals. But the inner perfectionist in me HAD to send > this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v 7.1 RTM. If > this isn't the right group, and you know how to get in touch with > the people who can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Cheers to > everyone who has made this great product! Ryan da Silva Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:26 AM, Ryan da Silva wrote: > Hello, > > > > If someone could pass this suggestion on i'd appreciate it. It's going > to sound a little picky, and probably crazy but I'm an honest and > forward person so I'll just say it. > > > > Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo > "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me > of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the > BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, > enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only > thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the > change myself for myself, but i am not a programmer. I love this product > and would like to suggest changing that screen. To what? I don't know. > Maybe instead of the large logo simply put "FreeBSD version XXX, copy > right" etc. Or heck, maybe a color bootscreen like GRUB has in Linux > (from what i've seen in Centos/Trixbox). I am not a linux person. I > think FreeBSD is the way for professionals. But the inner perfectionist > in me HAD to send this ridiculous email in hopes to see a change in v > 7.1 RTM. > The FreeBSD community welcomes people making the product better, regardless of what they contribute (source code, documentation, etc.). Why not create a new logo yourself and submit it? -- Glen Barber "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:07:57 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner wrote: > Enable beastie and you won't have to look at the ugly letters. Or disable the lines include /boot/beastie.4th and beastie-start prefixing them with a backslash in /boot/loader.rc, and put autoboot_delay="1" into /boot/loader.conf. This disables some waiting time at system startup (not that I would care about this) and still enables you to drop to the loader prompt when any key is pressed. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Don`t get me wrong, I loved the days of the BBS. But it`s 2009 and FreeBSD is a solid, professional, enterprise-grade operating system and the silly ASCII logo is the only thing that says amateur about the product. I would try to make the well if someone gets opinion about FreeBSD because of it's logo ... why do you care about them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Suggestion
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009, Ryan da Silva wrote: Someone needs to change the FreeBSD boot menu. The way the word/logo "FreeBSD" is displayed in large font with, ASCII characters, reminds me of the 1990`s with BBS`s. Enable beastie and you won't have to look at the ugly letters. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 10:25:12AM -0400, David Banning wrote: > > > For backing up purposes, I use a number of tools. > > Thanks Frank for your input. I have chosen for now use Chuck's suggestion, > that being cvsup. The only thing I would like to do is omit certain files > that I don't want backed up - large unimportant files - some cache and > log files. I'll look at your suggestions and see if there is a way > to tweak my backup strategy for the best mix. Hi David, Obviously, you're best placed to decide which backup strategies are best to use with your setup. With cvsup you can use refuse files which might be of use. It means that some parts of the tree are ignored when cvsup is run. The manpage describes the usage of them. Best of luck and may I wish you no data loss! Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
You can do all of this with amanda and simply run your backup from cron. amanda.org David Banning wrote: For backing up purposes, I use a number of tools. Thanks Frank for your input. I have chosen for now use Chuck's suggestion, that being cvsup. The only thing I would like to do is omit certain files that I don't want backed up - large unimportant files - some cache and log files. I'll look at your suggestions and see if there is a way to tweak my backup strategy for the best mix. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
> For backing up purposes, I use a number of tools. Thanks Frank for your input. I have chosen for now use Chuck's suggestion, that being cvsup. The only thing I would like to do is omit certain files that I don't want backed up - large unimportant files - some cache and log files. I'll look at your suggestions and see if there is a way to tweak my backup strategy for the best mix. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 12:06:03PM -0400, David Banning wrote: > > I wonder if anyone can recommend a good backup utility for FreeBSD. > If it's in the ports, great. I would like to just specify which > directories I would like to backup, how often and have it tar or zip > the files into a directory - if it has off-site ftp, fine, but I can > do that part myself via crontab. > > I realize I could just make a script file with some tar commands, > but I'm looking for something that is quicker to maintain and > allows me to organize what I'm backing up. > > I have been using reoback but recently I ran into some problems > with is duplicating files X 10! - I looked into to solving it but > it might be easier to just try something else. For backing up purposes, I use a number of tools. For files that I'm constantly changing, then I check them into subversion. This includes the files for my website, since it is in a constant state of flux. Then it's just a case of checking out the tree and running $ svn update on it on other machines when I edit anything. For databases (fairly static with few updates), I just drop the database and scp the file to other machines/disks. For a tree that I'm constantly adding to but the content is then unchanging, my LaTeX letters, templates & other documents, I use rsync: $ rsync -avruz ./latex/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/latex Hence, just a few files that I've added since last backup get copied across. I backup config files with scp along with any scripts I may have written. I use these methods to keep a server, workstation and laptop in sync. I don't archive anything (eg. write it to CD or DVD). In case of fire, I grab the laptop & run. In case of asteroid impact, my data dies with me ;) My audio CDs will be covered by insurance. If I had directories with piles of data in it, then I'd use dump/restore but I don't. OS files, I don't give a monkeys about, I can always rebuild, ditto ports. As you see, I think you should use a number of different tools & strategies dependent on the type of data you are backing up. They're all scriptable but I tend to just backup when something has changed rather than using cron. You soon get into the habit. All my machines are protected by UPSes. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
Jerry McAllister writes: > How about using dump(8)/restore(8). > It will handle all file situations correctly. > Its main knock is that it can only dump by file systems and > not sub-directories, though you can restore by subdirectory or > individual file. While it will only dump a file system, you can tell it to ignore directories/files. See "chflag" for more info. WARNING: choosing poorly, or forgetting you've done this, can come back to bite you big-time. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 12:06:03PM -0400, David Banning wrote: > I wonder if anyone can recommend a good backup utility for FreeBSD. > If it's in the ports, great. I would like to just specify which > directories I would like to backup, how often and have it tar or zip > the files into a directory - if it has off-site ftp, fine, but I can > do that part myself via crontab. How about using dump(8)/restore(8). It will handle all file situations correctly. Its main knock is that it can only dump by file systems and not sub-directories, though you can restore by subdirectory or individual file. It can easily be used in a script too. jerry > > I realize I could just make a script file with some tar commands, > but I'm looking for something that is quicker to maintain and > allows me to organize what I'm backing up. > > I have been using reoback but recently I ran into some problems > with is duplicating files X 10! - I looked into to solving it but > it might be easier to just try something else. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
bacula is good server and client On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Eric Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Banning wrote: > > > I wonder if anyone can recommend a good backup utility for FreeBSD. > > If it's in the ports, great. I would like to just specify which > > directories I would like to backup, how often and have it tar or zip the > > files into a directory - if it has off-site ftp, fine, but I can > > do that part myself via crontab. > > > > I realize I could just make a script file with some tar commands, > > but I'm looking for something that is quicker to maintain and allows me > > to organize what I'm backing up. > > > > I have been using reoback but recently I ran into some problems > > with is duplicating files X 10! - I looked into to solving it but > > it might be easier to just try something else. > > > > flexbackup is pretty decent. i used it for a while before i just went to > using dump on entire file systems. > > > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
David Banning wrote: I wonder if anyone can recommend a good backup utility for FreeBSD. If it's in the ports, great. I would like to just specify which directories I would like to backup, how often and have it tar or zip the files into a directory - if it has off-site ftp, fine, but I can do that part myself via crontab. I realize I could just make a script file with some tar commands, but I'm looking for something that is quicker to maintain and allows me to organize what I'm backing up. I have been using reoback but recently I ran into some problems with is duplicating files X 10! - I looked into to solving it but it might be easier to just try something else. flexbackup is pretty decent. i used it for a while before i just went to using dump on entire file systems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion on a backup utility
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Banning wrote: > I wonder if anyone can recommend a good backup utility for FreeBSD. > If it's in the ports, great. I would like to just specify which > directories I would like to backup, how often and have it tar or zip > the files into a directory - if it has off-site ftp, fine, but I can > do that part myself via crontab. > > I realize I could just make a script file with some tar commands, > but I'm looking for something that is quicker to maintain and > allows me to organize what I'm backing up. > > I have been using reoback but recently I ran into some problems > with is duplicating files X 10! - I looked into to solving it but > it might be easier to just try something else. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but it seems a bit silly to me to waste any time backing up something that you can completely duplicate rather quickly via cvsup, anytime you want, error free. Maybe you're talking about saving work directories, something like that? Must be something I'm not seeing here > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIIIwsz62J6PPcoOkRAtrlAJ4krL4BQ3HS/5GDqkS5tDCQYI8yNwCgoz7d Ds10FrtAw1Brvb4xDYqVS7o= =78xP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: suggestion about freebsd as console server or kvm switch
On 2/6/07, Gable Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/6/07, ann kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all > > I need the console server function to access the less > than 4 servers in the data center. > > Do you think it is easy to buy cheap kvm or use > freebsd to do it? > > lt is easy to setup using freebsd > > Thank you for your suggestion > Perhaps this is what you are looking for: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/console-server/index.html Good luck, Gable Forgot to cc the list..:D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Suggestion to display date/time of port addition or modification
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 04:36:09PM -0800, Peter Leftwich wrote: > > [2] I do not understand the usefulness nor see the "beauty" of the current > method of installing ports. Why must a user download elementary > "instructions" for programs A, B, C, D, through Z when all he or she may > want are programs P and Q which require libraries B, C, D, and E? In > other words, have the people in the know ever considered making it > possible to download one tarballed directory, whose Makefile could figure > out which other tarballed directories are needed and "fetch" them in > sequence? This seems far simpler than 19 megs of unnecessary files that > may never be used possibly. Thank you for listening, hopefully my remarks > generate some discussion. > You can use cvsup method with refuse file to download ports collections you want, for example all without x11-* ports. Jacek -- W miejscu swojego zatrudnienia ma opinię negatywną, ponieważ ma narzeczonego Murzyna, z którym się codziennie spotyka. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Suggestion to display date/time of port addition or modification
>> (11.18.2003 @ 1936 PST): Peter Leftwich said, in 1.4K: << > [1] Two quick questions/suggestions if I may? Has the "ports team" ever > considered including the date/time of when the port was added or modified? > This could be displayed as a time code, such as "20031118" (today's date) > and appear on the line that says: > > Description : Sources : Package : Changes : Download For this, you have a number of options. Within the first 5 lines of port Makefiles, you can find the CVS Id tag, which tells you when the Makefile was last updated. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% grep FreeBSD: /usr/ports/graphics/gimp-devel/Makefile # $FreeBSD: ports/graphics/gimp-devel/Makefile,v 1.134 2003/11/17 12:28:58 trevor Exp $ You can also use cvsweb (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports) to examine when stuff happened for ports. And you can probably get that information from freshports.org. Freshports.org has *everything*, if you know where to find it. > [2] I do not understand the usefulness nor see the "beauty" of the current > method of installing ports. Why must a user download elementary > "instructions" for programs A, B, C, D, through Z when all he or she may > want are programs P and Q which require libraries B, C, D, and E? In > other words, have the people in the know ever considered making it > possible to download one tarballed directory, whose Makefile could figure > out which other tarballed directories are needed and "fetch" them in > sequence? This seems far simpler than 19 megs of unnecessary files that > may never be used possibly. Thank you for listening, hopefully my remarks > generate some discussion. Peter, I think you'd be much better off using packages. The ports tree is designed to be used all in one piece. I once spent weeks trying to get you to download the ports/Mk directory, and I don't want to go through that again. # Adam -- Adam Weinberger vectors.cx >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.vectors.cx magnesium.net << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << http://www.magnesium.net/~adamw FreeBSD >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw #vim:set ts=8: 8-char tabs prevent tooth decay. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Suggestion re packages
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2002-10-03 12:02:34 -0700: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:06:17PM +0930, Ian Moore wrote: > > Hi, > > As I was browsing thru the questions mailing list just now, I > > thought of something that might improve the ease of use of our > > ports/packages system. It seems to me it would be helpful if > > packages included a quick summary of any options used to compile the > > package and anything else that isn't included in the packages, but > > is present in the port (or vice versa?). For example - the > > authentication bits in Squid) > > Packages are only ever built with the default options (i.e. no special > options enabled/disabled). Not true. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/vim/Makefile?rev=1.204&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup -- begin 666 nonexistent.vbs FreeBSD 4.7-RC 10:59AM up 16 days, 18:14, 19 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.05 end To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: Suggestion re packages
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:06:17PM +0930, Ian Moore wrote: > Hi, > As I was browsing thru the questions mailing list just now, I thought of > something that might improve the ease of use of our ports/packages system. > It seems to me it would be helpful if packages included a quick summary of any > options used to compile the package and anything else that isn't included in > the packages, but is present in the port (or vice versa?). For example - the > authentication bits in Squid) Packages are only ever built with the default options (i.e. no special options enabled/disabled). Kris msg03759/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
