Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread Andrew P.
On 1/13/06, offbyone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My problem:
> Running FreeBSD_5.4-RELEASE with XFree86-4.5.0, there is a mis-match:
> the underlying o.s. and newly installed and upgraded ports expect X.org
> After portupgrade of an X-supported port, this mis-match shows up as
> "stale dependency(ies)" It's a bore repeatedly to point new and upgraded
>   ports to XFree86-libraries-4.5.0, etc. (and there is no XFree86
> component that corresponds directly to X.org-TrueType, or is there?)
> My questions:
> 0.) How to change the underlying o.s. default expectation to XFree86 AND
>   is this a good idea for the present and future of 5.x?

Look at /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf

> 1.) Is a better solution to bite the bullet, deinstall all XFree86
> components and install X.org, since FreeBDS is 5.x?

Sure. There's no debate about it whatsoever. You are also
avdised to bite another bullet and upgrade to FreeBSD 6,
it's a painless/seamless procedure now.
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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread Robert Slade
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 11:21, offbyone wrote:
> My problem:
> Running FreeBSD_5.4-RELEASE with XFree86-4.5.0, there is a mis-match: 
> the underlying o.s. and newly installed and upgraded ports expect X.org
> After portupgrade of an X-supported port, this mis-match shows up as 
> "stale dependency(ies)" It's a bore repeatedly to point new and upgraded 
>   ports to XFree86-libraries-4.5.0, etc. (and there is no XFree86 
> component that corresponds directly to X.org-TrueType, or is there?)
> My questions:
> 0.) How to change the underlying o.s. default expectation to XFree86 AND 
>   is this a good idea for the present and future of 5.x?
> 1.) Is a better solution to bite the bullet, deinstall all XFree86 
> components and install X.org, since FreeBDS is 5.x?
> (N.B. I do not want to start a flame over XFree86 vs. X.org. That's a 
> too-old and pointless debate, and I have no inherent reason to prefer 
> one over the other.)
> Thanks, very much. for more info, suggestions.
> Jake
> 

Jake,

I am sorry I do not have an answer. but when I installed 5.4 not long
ago it installed Xorg as the default from the iso. Did you update to 5.4
from an earlier version?

Rob

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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread offbyone

Robert Slade wrote:

On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 11:21, offbyone wrote:


My problem:
Running FreeBSD_5.4-RELEASE with XFree86-4.5.0, there is a mis-match: 
the underlying o.s. and newly installed and upgraded ports expect X.org
After portupgrade of an X-supported port, this mis-match shows up as 
"stale dependency(ies)" It's a bore repeatedly to point new and upgraded 
 ports to XFree86-libraries-4.5.0, etc. (and there is no XFree86 
component that corresponds directly to X.org-TrueType, or is there?)

My questions:
0.) How to change the underlying o.s. default expectation to XFree86 AND 
 is this a good idea for the present and future of 5.x?
1.) Is a better solution to bite the bullet, deinstall all XFree86 
components and install X.org, since FreeBDS is 5.x?
(N.B. I do not want to start a flame over XFree86 vs. X.org. That's a 
too-old and pointless debate, and I have no inherent reason to prefer 
one over the other.)

Thanks, very much. for more info, suggestions.
Jake




Jake,

I am sorry I do not have an answer. but when I installed 5.4 not long
ago it installed Xorg as the default from the iso. Did you update to 5.4
from an earlier version?

Rob





Yes, from 5.1-RELEASE on CD-ROM; cvsup to 5.4-STABLE and built from source.

# uname -a is:
FreeBSD  5.4-RELEASE-p8 FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p8 
#0: Sun Jan  8 15:26:20 CET 2006


X.org is included in the distribution, and I knew about the changed 
default. I just reflexively went with XFree86 during the install, out of 
long-established habit with FreeBSD.


- Jake

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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread offbyone

Andrew P. wrote:

On 1/13/06, offbyone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


My problem:
Running FreeBSD_5.4-RELEASE with XFree86-4.5.0, there is a mis-match:
the underlying o.s. and newly installed and upgraded ports expect X.org
After portupgrade of an X-supported port, this mis-match shows up as
"stale dependency(ies)" It's a bore repeatedly to point new and upgraded
 ports to XFree86-libraries-4.5.0, etc. (and there is no XFree86
component that corresponds directly to X.org-TrueType, or is there?)
My questions:
0.) How to change the underlying o.s. default expectation to XFree86 AND
 is this a good idea for the present and future of 5.x?



Look at /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf



1.) Is a better solution to bite the bullet, deinstall all XFree86
components and install X.org, since FreeBDS is 5.x?



Sure. There's no debate about it whatsoever. You are also
avdised to bite another bullet and upgrade to FreeBSD 6,
it's a painless/seamless procedure now.
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Andrew P. -
Thanks for the reminder about pkgtools.conf.
But about FreeBSD 6...
I still see a lot of complaints of headaches from people using 6, here 
and on the -Stable mailing list, so I'm dubious.

- Jake

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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread Andrew P.
On 1/13/06, offbyone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andrew P. -
> Thanks for the reminder about pkgtools.conf.
> But about FreeBSD 6...
> I still see a lot of complaints of headaches from people using 6, here
> and on the -Stable mailing list, so I'm dubious.

The -stable mailing list has a purpose of diminishing the
dubiousness, yet it has an opposite effect on some people.
If you really feel uncertain because of it, I'd advise to
unsubcribe.

Besides, I'm not asking you to run -current or -stable and
help community with any precious input. I just say that
there was enough effort to make 6.0-RELEASE a better
thing to run for almost all of us.

My $.02 as always.
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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:21:54PM +0100, offbyone wrote:
> My problem:
> Running FreeBSD_5.4-RELEASE with XFree86-4.5.0, there is a mis-match: 
> the underlying o.s. and newly installed and upgraded ports expect X.org
> After portupgrade of an X-supported port, this mis-match shows up as 
> "stale dependency(ies)" It's a bore repeatedly to point new and upgraded 
>  ports to XFree86-libraries-4.5.0, etc. (and there is no XFree86 
> component that corresponds directly to X.org-TrueType, or is there?)
> My questions:
> 0.) How to change the underlying o.s. default expectation to XFree86 AND 
>  is this a good idea for the present and future of 5.x?
> 1.) Is a better solution to bite the bullet, deinstall all XFree86 
> components and install X.org, since FreeBDS is 5.x?
> (N.B. I do not want to start a flame over XFree86 vs. X.org. That's a 
> too-old and pointless debate, and I have no inherent reason to prefer 
> one over the other.)
> Thanks, very much. for more info, suggestions.

See /usr/ports/UPDATING or the FAQ

Kris


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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:49:32PM +0100, offbyone wrote:

> Thanks for the reminder about pkgtools.conf.
> But about FreeBSD 6...
> I still see a lot of complaints of headaches from people using 6, here 
> and on the -Stable mailing list, so I'm dubious.

What about all the people you don't see complaining because it just
works (or works better) for them? :-)

Kris


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Re: XFree86 on FreeBSD 5.4

2006-01-17 Thread offbyone

Andrew P. wrote:

On 1/13/06, offbyone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



0.) How to change the underlying o.s. default expectation to XFree86 AND
  is this a good idea for the present and future of 5.x?


Look at /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf



Nope, that is not it. Turns out the solution for this is a variable set 
in /etc/make.conf


/usr/ports/UPDATING at 20040723
and
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html#WHICH-X
point the way

In the case of the problem system I was working on,
X_WINDOW_SYSTEM=xfree86-4 in /etc/make.conf solved it.

- Jake


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