Re: Spam control (was: Let People Find You in Google!)

[Graham Todd]

>There has indeed been a higher spam:ham ratio on this list of late, 
>however making it subscriber-only won't help. The crims need only
>spoof the address of someone subscribed to the list to bypass that,
>and I suspect a few spammers have registered using false addresses
>anyway (leading to a bounce to anyone posting).
>
>Piping it through Spamassassin as it arrives at mx1.freebsd.org, 
>although this isn't so effective against people using freemail
>accounts. Closing down irresponsibly run freemail operators would be a
>big help, but it's not going to happen.
>
>If anyone wants to discuss this OFF LIST, I'm up for it.
>
>Regards, Frank.

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Spam control (was: Let People Find You in Google!)

[Frank Leonhardt]

On 06/09/2013 11:21, Jerry wrote:

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:32:39 +0100
Graham Todd articulated:


Isn't this pure SPAM?

Why yes it is. Would you prefer it mixed with non-spam to make it more
palatable?

Seriously, the ration of spam to non-spam is increasing exponentially
on this list. Until the moderators change this to a subscriber list it
will remain aa "any spammer can post" list.

There has indeed been a higher spam:ham ratio on this list of late, 
however making it subscriber-only won't help. The crims need only spoof 
the address of someone subscribed to the list to bypass that, and I 
suspect a few spammers have registered using false addresses anyway 
(leading to a bounce to anyone posting).


Piping it through Spamassassin as it arrives at mx1.freebsd.org, 
although this isn't so effective against people using freemail accounts. 
Closing down irresponsibly run freemail operators would be a big help, 
but it's not going to happen.


If anyone wants to discuss this OFF LIST, I'm up for it.

Regards, Frank.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[RW]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:15:35 -0400
Jerry wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100
> RW articulated:
> 
> > On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400
> > Jerry wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100
> > > RW articulated:
> > > 
> > > > On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100
> > > > Bruce Cran wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Yes, seriously.  Have you seen the number of people who post
> > > > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!",
> > > > > apparently not understanding how to manage their subscription?
> > > > 
> > > > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less
> > > > likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter.
> > > 
> > > Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly
> > > configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if
> > > they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just
> > > subscribing to a list.
> > 
> > Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc
> 
> Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. 

Not especially

> There are
> ways to deal with these assholes. 

Only some of it, and there's no general way of dealing with the
out-of-list component.

> Allowing a blanket "open-door"
> policy is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just
> because you are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem.

Actually requiring subscription is pretty much like setting  0777, it's
really only a protection against accidental list spamming. If a spammer
actually wanted to spam lists he could harvest subscribed addresses, or
simply subscribe. 
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[freebsd]

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:53:39AM -0700, Robison, Dave wrote:
> 
> This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to
> wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite 
> frankly.
> 
> All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email
> than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month.

What he said, +infinity.
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 10:53 -0700, Robison, Dave wrote:
> All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless
> email than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month.

I don't know if those mails where pointless, but there were much mails
and I only read two or three mails including this, IOW there was at
least much traffic caused by this discussion, that has less to do with
questions about FreeBSD, IMO this is ok, I like OT talk myself, even if
I wasn't interested in this discussion.

I'm subscribed to trillions of mailing lists, perhaps a few less than
trillions and several open mailing lists, including this one. I don't
get much spam and it's easy to filter the few junk mails I receive. The
few spam I get can't be eliminated by any method. The internet is the
Wilde West, it makes me wonder that I get that less spam.

It's said, that for all long discussions in the Internet, soon or later
somebody will mention the Nazis and if somebody mentions the Nazis, an
Internet discussion has reached it's end. The Nazis where some kind of
serial killers, so perhaps this is the reason to stop this discussion.

I hope there wasn't a flame war, I really didn't read this thread.

Please stay peacefully folks ;).

We can't get rid of all junk mail and seriously, we can't get rid of all
evil on this planet. Some people really do very bad crimes, so we
shouldn't waste much time in thinking about spam. Polemical comparison
does hurt some people, but I guess it should be ok, if somebody makes an
inappropriate comparison. We should be allowed to write without keeping
political correctness 24/7 in mind.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Robison, Dave]

On 05/17/2013 05:45, Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100
>  
>> It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much
>> negligible.
> 
> That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times
> you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater.
> Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer
> until you have killed a minimum of three people.
> 

This has gotten to the point of the ridiculous now. Comparing a few spam to
wife beating and serial killers? That's just patently offensive, quite 
frankly.

All this bike shedding and crosstalk has produced far more pointless email
than all the spam I've gotten from this list in the last month.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Jerry]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 14:03:01 +0100
RW articulated:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400
> Jerry wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100
> > RW articulated:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100
> > > Bruce Cran wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Yes, seriously.  Have you seen the number of people who post
> > > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently
> > > > not understanding how to manage their subscription?
> > > 
> > > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less
> > > likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter.
> > 
> > Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly
> > configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if
> > they do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just
> > subscribing to a list.
> 
> Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc

Yes, an incorrectly configured MTA or one of its milters. There are
ways to deal with these assholes. Allowing a blanket "open-door" policy
is like setting file permissions on everything to 0777 just because you
are to lazy to find a correct solution to a problem.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[RW]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:45:29 -0400
Jerry wrote:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100
> RW articulated:
> 
> > On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100
> > Bruce Cran wrote:
> > 

> > > Yes, seriously.  Have you seen the number of people who post
> > > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently
> > > not understanding how to manage their subscription?
> > 
> > There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less
> > likely to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter.
> 
> Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly
> configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if they
> do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just
> subscribing to a list.

Out of Office replies, sieve rejects, anti-spam challenges etc

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Jerry]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:19:32 +0100
RW articulated:

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100
> Bruce Cran wrote:
> 
> > On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote:
> > > Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that
> > > he/she could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list
> > > then I would seriously doubt that they would possess the
> > > necessary skills to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets
> > > be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an
> > > enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls. 
> > 
> > Yes, seriously.  Have you seen the number of people who post
> > messages "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently
> > not understanding how to manage their subscription?
> 
> There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely
> to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter.

Well, unless the reluctant subscriber is running an incorrectly
configured MTA, I don't see a problem with "backscatter". Now, if they
do have a maladjusted MTA, they have more problems then just
subscribing to a list.
 
> It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much
> negligible.

That would be a subjective statement. It is like asking how many times
you have to slap your wife before you are considered a wife beater.
Interestingly enough, the FBI won't classify you as a serial killer
until you have killed a minimum of three people.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[RW]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 12:54:29 +0100
Bruce Cran wrote:

> On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote:
> > Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she 
> > could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I
> > would seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills
> > to install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All
> > that the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam
> > merchants and Trolls. 
> 
> Yes, seriously.  Have you seen the number of people who post messages 
> "PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently not 
> understanding how to manage their subscription?

There's also the likelyhood that reluctant subscribers are less likely
to take care about avoiding various types of backscatter. 

It seems to me that the level of spam in list is pretty much
negligible. 


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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Bruce Cran]

On 17/05/2013 11:42, Jerry wrote:
Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she 
could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would 
seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to 
install and run FreeBSD to begin with. Lets be honest here. All that 
the present system does is act as an enabler for Spam merchants and 
Trolls. 


Yes, seriously.  Have you seen the number of people who post messages 
"PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS MAILING LIST!!", apparently not 
understanding how to manage their subscription?


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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:18:18PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
> I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick
> hand with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too
> many lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you
> can't do anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a
> matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as noted).

I concur with you, which is why point #2 in my message (which I've 
elided for brevity here) comes into play: if the list-owners set
the "subscribers only" flag in Mailman, then messages from nonsubscribers
will be held for their attention.  I don't think it's unreasonable
or particularly burdensome to request that they check that queue
once a day or so, and decide how to dispose of those messages.

I should also expand on that to mention that Mailman offers a number
of choices on how that disposition is handled: list-owners can choose,
for example, to add the address in question to a list of non-subscribers
permitted to post, so that subsequent traffic from the same person
won't be held up and require attention.  I've found this quite useful
for cases where interested individuals send traffic sporadically.
I've also found it quite useful to note the email addresses of
obvious spammers and block them at the MTA, because they'll often
step through *all* the mailing lists sequentially and it becomes
tedious to discard the same spam over and over.  Blocking at the MTA
alleviates this problem.

Another way to put it is that while using this method involves a
small initial effort, it has the significant advantage of not requiring
any action on the part of legitimate message senders, and the effort
required by list-owners diminishes over time.  It also doesn't require
any coding effort or external plumbing.

> Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible
> using some simple filtering without the need to change the
> subscription parameters. It could be possible to even do it
> automatically saving further work on a list-owner.

I urge caution on that: oh, it's a fine idea, but introducing
automation into that process has its issues/risks.  In practice,
I've found (having run many mailing lists over many years) that
the manual workload is so small that it's not worth automating.

Since I've now opened my big mouth on this topic twice: if the
list-owners are paying attention and wish assistance with this,
I'm certainly willing to help out.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Jerry]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100
Bruce Cran articulated:

> There have been some discussions about this in the past. 
> freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may
> be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it.

Seriously? If some potential poster were so brain dead that he/she
could not comprehend how to subscribe to the mailing list then I would
seriously doubt that they would possess the necessary skills to install
and run FreeBSD to begin with.

Lets be honest here. All that the present system does is act as an
enabler for Spam merchants and Trolls.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Thu, 16 May 2013 23:05:33 +0100
Bruce Cran  wrote:

> On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep
> > spam out.
> 
> There have been some discussions about this in the past. 
> freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may
> be unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it.
> 

we running in a circle here.

I noticed that on other FreeBSD lists, a moderator enables later mails
which are sent from an unregistered address. Why can't this be done
here?

Get a group of volunteers in different time zones to handle this and
off we go.

Of course, I could be one of them in the Eastern World.

Erich
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Julian H. Stacey]

Bruce Cran wrote:
> On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out.
> 
> There have been some discussions about this in the past. 
> freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be 
> unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it.

That burdens FreeBSD lists with clueless, lazy non subscribers, & spammers.

Web forums exist for those too lame to subscribe & forums can have Captcha.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Bruce Cran]

On 11/05/2013 02:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out.


There have been some discussions about this in the past. 
freebsd-questions doesn't require subscribing to avoid people who may be 
unfamiliar with mailing lists being put off posting to it.


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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Paul Kraus]

On May 14, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Da Rock 
 wrote:

> I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand with 
> a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many lists get 
> subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do anything about 
> and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of subscribe, unsubscribe as 
> noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam filter and thereby abuse it. How 
> often do you need help with an issue with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or 
> other application? And yet subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages 
> (devs convs mostly) come flooding in within minutes.

Other lists I have been on had both a list and a forum that accessed 
the same content. While I see that FreeBSD has both, I do not think they share 
content. A forum gateway to the list would permit folks to sign up for the 
forum and NOT get a ton of email. If the forum were publicly readable that 
would also provide a way to look through (if not search) the archives.

I am not trying to make work for people, just suggesting another way to 
address the competing issues of SPAM reduction and ease of access.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Da Rock]

On 05/12/13 22:04, Rich Kulawiec wrote:

1. Restricting mailing lists to "subscribers only" has been a best
practice since the last century.  It's a very good anti-spam tactic.

2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one --
does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers.  By default,
Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval.
Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable
spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully.

3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners
to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to
the list without approval.  This feature is probably more often used to
allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone
is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net.
But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners
so choose.

4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers
repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which
has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists.  I do this
on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth
the effort.

So: setting the "subscribers-only" flag on Mailman has major advantages,
at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can
be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA.
I'm a big fan of _not_ having to subscribe to a list to get a quick hand 
with a one off problem (obviously not this one!)- otherwise too many 
lists get subscribed to, oodles of messages come in which you can't do 
anything about and so forth (so its not simply just a matter of 
subscribe, unsubscribe as noted). Unfortunately, many see it as a spam 
filter and thereby abuse it. How often do you need help with an issue 
with libreoffice, mozilla whatever, or other application? And yet 
subscription is compulsory and a ton of messages (devs convs mostly) 
come flooding in within minutes.


Aside from all that, the last suggestion (4) should be possible using 
some simple filtering without the need to change the subscription 
parameters. It could be possible to even do it automatically saving 
further work on a list-owner.


I admit the spam is getting worse, but there are still many more users 
sending who would like try before they buy - or subscribe. FreeBSD is an 
OS, yes, but it does give users options and freedom; and although many 
are willing to give up their freedom because it is *appears* safer, they 
tend to have serious regrets in the light of day. Better to find a way 
to maintain the freedom (and minimise the overheads required for 
oversight) through other measures.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Thomas Mueller]

Excerpt from Rich Kulawiec :

> 3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners
> to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to
> the list without approval.  This feature is probably more often used to
> allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone
> is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from 
> f...@example.net.
> But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners
> so choose.

I sometimes send using a different SMTP server, which may happen since my 
@bellsouth.net addresses are from my former ISP, AT&T/Yahoo!, but still good 
under Yahoo!

So I might send either from the AT&T/Yahoo! SMTP server or from insightbb.com 
server, and Insight Cable (insightbb.com) customers will be migrated in the 
next month to Time Warner Cable, and email addresses will be in twc.com domain. 
 But I use the same From: address.

I switched my email address on this list because Insight Cable, but I believe 
not Time Warner Cable, uses synacor.com for spam filtering, and messages are 
deleted when synacor.com's software flags it as spam, and there were false 
positives resulting in bounced messages.  Insight Cable customers never see the 
spam-filtered-out messages, and have no way to mitigate those filters.

On sending CC to other participants in a thread, sometimes that can be too 
many, and I might consider it redundant to send CC to a list regular.

Once, because of sending CC to other thread participants, I was sending to six 
email addresses, and the message was held for moderator approval because of 
being sent to so many recipients: a frequent characteristic of spam.  But my 
message was approved when the moderator saw it was legit, on topic.

Tom

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Rich Kulawiec]

1. Restricting mailing lists to "subscribers only" has been a best
practice since the last century.  It's a very good anti-spam tactic.

2. However, doing so -- for a list run via Mailman, like this one --
does not pose a significant impediment for non-subscribers.  By default,
Mailman will hold traffic from non-subscribers for list-owner approval.
Provided the list-owners check that queue periodically and have reasonable
spam-spotting abilities, this works beautifully.

3. Note that Mailman, as part of that same mechanism, allows list-owners
to add non-subscribers to a list of those permitted to send traffic to
the list without approval.  This feature is probably more often used to
allow traffic from alternative addresses for subscribers, e.g., someone
is subscribed as f...@example.com but sends occasionally from f...@example.net.
But it can just as easily be used for non-subscribers if the list-owners
so choose.

4. List-owners may also find it useful to keep track of which spammers
repeatedly attempt to abuse the list and block them at the MTA -- which
has the desirable side effect of blocking them from ALL lists.  I do this
on a user/host/domain/network basis, and it's proven itself to be worth
the effort.

So: setting the "subscribers-only" flag on Mailman has major advantages,
at the cost of additional work on the part of list-owners -- which can
be mitigated in part across all lists by making changes to the MTA.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Jerry]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 07:39:31 +0100
Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated:

> On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200
> "Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote:
> > > On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
> > > "Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
> > > >   - List could silently discard such spam.
> > > >   - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have
> > > > less work.
> > > >   - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to
> > > > personal filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American
> > > > above meant in English ;-).
> > > 
> > >   The downside is that it would require people to subscribe
> > > in order to ask a question, 
> > 
> > True.  I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though.
> 
>   From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from
> the point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to
> ask a single question it is the other way round.

I am not really a big fan of paying for a hunting license since I only
hunt once a year; however, they still make me do it. As a POC earlier
this year, I subscribed to this list under a different name & address,
returned to my MUA and the responding message from this list was
waiting. I replied to it and was there upon subscribed. Total time,
less than 1-1/2 minutes. And that included me taking a sip of coffee.
The time to remove myself from the list was similar. Hell, it takes me
longer than that to gather all of the info I might need to either ask
or respond to a question on this list.

> > > this is also the reason for the convention of using
> > > "Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention
> > > for a *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new
> > > in 1993.
> > 
> > I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour.
> >   (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, 
> 
>   Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a
> common reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either
> will change any time soon.
> 
> >or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget
> > that bit, though as background I'd observe:
> > Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD
> > started, Hackers@ & some others preceded it.
> 
>   A good many others indeed - but all the "user" lists have
> always had the same conventions.
> 
> > Various people prune CC when they get littered with too
> > many CC. )

I never respond to CC'ers. If they cannot take the time to subscribe, I
cannot afford the time to respond.
 
>   True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP.

Perhaps our list should include a disclaimer (I hate them) that states:

WARNING: CC ARE YOUR OWN RISK 

Actually, I think this is kind of funn:

From: Steve O'Hara-Smith 
To: "Julian H. Stacey" 
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Technically, I am responding to a CC'er who happens to be the list
operator/owner or whatever terminology turns you on. My sieve filters
are designed to filter out an CC messages; however, they are also
designed to accept any mail from FreeBSD*. Since I was not in the CC
address (directly), I ended up getting a CC'd mesage. I really have to
rework my filters.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 19:44:46 +0200
"Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:

> Hi,
> "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote:
> > On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
> > "Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:
> > 
> > > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
> > >   - List could silently discard such spam.
> > >   - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less
> > > work.
> > >   - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal
> > > filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in
> > > English ;-).
> > 
> > The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in
> > order to ask a question, 
> 
> True.  I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though.

From the point of view of subscribers perhaps, however from the
point of view of users who don't wish to subscribe in order to ask a single
question it is the other way round.

> > this is also the reason for the convention of using
> > "Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a
> > *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993.
> 
> I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour.
>   (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, 

Not at all, just pointing out that the two things have a common
reason in the FreeBSD lists. Personally I doubt that either will change any
time soon.

>or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit,
>though as background I'd observe:
>   Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started,
>   Hackers@ & some others preceded it.

A good many others indeed - but all the "user" lists have always
had the same conventions.

>   Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. )

True enough - and occasionally this loses the unsubscribed OP.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Julian H. Stacey]

> I'm curious how much spam you get through this list.
> 
> Just counted, and I have about 2 Spams per week for the last month,
> that's more than usual.

Personaly I'm on ~ 47 freebsd lists or so my MH dirs + procmail
filter boxes suggest, so when someone spams multiple lists with the
same spam it irritates. I'm on various other lists too, (last I
counted it was about 100 in all inc. freebsd) so grateful for each
list that is subscribers only.

Cheers,
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Michael Ross]

On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200, Julian H. Stacey   
wrote:



Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd )

Reference:

From:   Aaron Seligman 
Reply-to:   aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com
Date:   Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC)
Subject:Re: Display & Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed
Message-id: <1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net>



Happy hump-day,

We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize

INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS

Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll)



If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
  - List could silently discard such spam.
  - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less  
work.
  - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal  
filters
(& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English  
;-).


Newbies would be told "subscribe before posting" in all of:
/etc/motd
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
Automatic list bounce response.
Only clueless, lazy, & spammers might be lost. A net gain.

Cheers,
Julian



I'm curious how much spam you get through this list.

Just counted, and I have about 2 Spams per week for the last month,
that's more than usual.


Regards,

Michael
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
"Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
> "Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:
> 
> > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
> >   - List could silently discard such spam.
> >   - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work.
> >   - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal
> > filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in
> > English ;-).
> 
>   The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order
> to ask a question, 

True.  I suggest the up side outweighs the down side though.

I've always felt when I as a newbie somewhere, wanted to post any
other project's mail list to ask a question & get free help, then
I owed it to those there to subscribe if necessary.

However, FreeBSD could always provide a web Captcha anti spam validater 
for those too lazy/ uncommited to subscribe questions@ ?


> this is also the reason for the convention of using
> "Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a
> *long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993.

I'm not intending to question or suggest any change re CC behaviour.
  (Maybe you mis-read or mis-infered what I intended, 
   or maybe I mis-wrote, or mis-implied, whatever, please forget that bit,
   though as background I'd observe:
Questions@ didn't exist for quite a while after FreeBSD started,
Hackers@ & some others preceded it.
Various people prune CC when they get littered with too many CC. )

Cheers,
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
"Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:

> If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
>   - List could silently discard such spam.
>   - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work.
>   - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal
> filters (& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in
> English ;-).

The downside is that it would require people to subscribe in order
to ask a question, this is also the reason for the convention of using
"Reply to all" in FreeBSD mailing lists. It's been a convention for a
*long* time, at least since FreeBSD 1.1 was shiny and new in 1993.

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
> From: Erich Dollansky  
> Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 08:33:47 +0700 

Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
> "Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
> 
> some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this?

Good question. I don't know why. I wish all were, it would keep spam out.

To allow a free-er environment for us than that might first give:
Taking the syntax of majordomo as an example to illustrate an idea in
(I know Freebsd.org moved on to Mailman, but I'm assuming/
hoping Mailman is at least equally as flexible as Majordomo;
& as I'm an administrator for Majordomo lists, & have tried
the idea below & seen it work, I can quote syntax for it correctly)

Given a list eg scsi@freebsd might exist that happended to go from open to
restrict_post = scsi
ie write only for subscribers, it could easily be made eg
restrict_post = scsi questions hackers
So others in eg questions who had occasional scsi specific questions
could be referred to post there without person needing to subscribe to
scsi@ as a regular (& agreed, just hope all respondents CC
the OP, if OP is too lazy/ busy to subscribe eg scsi@).

Most list config files could do that, so it would be equally possible
for eg someone subscribed to hardware@ to answer a question posted
to questions@, even if the answering hardware@ person was not
personaly subscribed to & reading every post to questions@.
questions@ could have a questions.config with something like:
restrict_post = questions hackers current ports scsi etc

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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Thu, 09 May 2013 02:26:26 +0200
"Julian H. Stacey"  wrote:

> 
> If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:

some lists are like this anyway. Why are not all like this?

I notice that my postings get delayed and obviously check when I use
by accident my real e-mail address.

Erich
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Re: List Spam Filtering

[Joshua Isom]

Most of the spam I've seen get through is actually obvious from the 
subject line.  I've seen more posts by people who weren't subscribed and 
asked to be cc'd than I've seen spam.  Making the list subscribers only 
would only hinder the the lucky spammers, and stop more people genuinely 
asking for help.


I have seen more spam in the past few weeks, but it's better than 
google.  For some reason, even though I don't speak anything other than 
English, email with Asian characters is not spam.


On 5/8/2013 7:26 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd )

Reference:

From:   Aaron Seligman 
Reply-to:   aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com
Date:   Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC)
Subject:Re: Display & Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed
Message-id: <1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net>



Happy hump-day,

We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize

INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS

Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll)



If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
   - List could silently discard such spam.
   - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work.
   - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters
 (& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-).

Newbies would be told "subscribe before posting" in all of:
/etc/motd
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
Automatic list bounce response.
Only clueless, lazy, & spammers might be lost. A net gain.

Cheers,
Julian



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List Spam Filtering

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi questions@ ( spammer not cc'd )

Reference:
> From: Aaron Seligman  
> Reply-to: aselig...@altitudedigitalpartners.com 
> Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 18:59:07 + (UTC) 
> Subject:  Re: Display & Video Campaigns-Inventory Needed 
> Message-id:   <1368039547.0568389241738...@mf7.sendgrid.net> 

> Happy hump-day, 
> 
> We have an opportunity with an RTB partner to monetize 
> 
> INT Geo's; UK, CAN, AUS 
> 
> Video: (Pre-roll, mid-roll and post-roll) 


If list write access was changed to Subscribers Only:
  - List could silently discard such spam.
  - Postmaster@  (& webmaster@ weeding web archives) would have less work.
  - Less individual need to select spam phrases to copy to personal filters
(& less time searching WTF dialect American above meant in English ;-).

Newbies would be told "subscribe before posting" in all of:
/etc/motd
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
Automatic list bounce response. 
Only clueless, lazy, & spammers might be lost. A net gain.

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Don't replay to spam

[Lars Eighner]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote:


On 03/23/2013 01:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

The original "trying freeBSD 9.1 [...]" mail is spam, since the original
message had a "signature" about face lifting or something like that.

Take a look at
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html

Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't
leave this page.

It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam.


That spam sig appears to be NetZero appending advertisements to
legitimate outgoing messages. I doubt the OP has much control over that
behaviour; especially if that happens to be their ISP.





I agree, but what the OP can do is use a proper sig which begins in the
first column with a hyphen  followed by another hyphen, a space, and a
newline.

That will not prevent the service provider from appending the ad, but it
will make it possible for many (most? all?) mail readers to hide the sig
(and everything after it) if the user so desires.


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Re: Don't replay to spam

[CyberLeo Kitsana]

On 03/23/2013 01:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> The original "trying freeBSD 9.1 [...]" mail is spam, since the original
> message had a "signature" about face lifting or something like that.
> 
> Take a look at
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html
> 
> Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't
> leave this page.
> 
> It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam.

That spam sig appears to be NetZero appending advertisements to
legitimate outgoing messages. I doubt the OP has much control over that
behaviour; especially if that happens to be their ISP.

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Don't replay to spam

[Ralf Mardorf]

The original "trying freeBSD 9.1 [...]" mail is spam, since the original
message had a "signature" about face lifting or something like that.

Take a look at
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2013-March/249992.html

Once you visited the page from the link in the signature, you even can't
leave this page.

It's hard to train spam filters, if people reply to spam.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: SPAM: Re: ZFS root, error 2 when mounting root

[bw.mail.lists]

On 02/26/2013 04:31 PM, Chad M Stewart wrote:


I've been down this road recently with 9.1-release.  I ended up adding these 
lines to end of my script


## The next two are "hacks" in my book, without the last line, on reboot
## it gets stuck trying to find zfs:zroot/ROOT, but somehow the -f or reboot 
"fixes"
# this quirk
zpool export zroot
zpool import -f zroot
reboot

Without the altroot it replaces the live CD mounts, and basically renders the 
system pointless, except that it works on reboot.  :)   I tried all sorts of 
other ways to make it work, mounting zroot and specifying a cache file, then cp 
the file over, etc., nothing I did worked except the above.  There is probably 
a cleaner/better way but I was not able to find it.



I seem to remember trying that too, forced import, but after an 
unsuccessful reboot, not at the end of the script. It didn't work for 
me. Anyway, thanks for the answers, it's a bit more clear now.


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Re: SPAM: Re: ZFS root, error 2 when mounting root

[Chad M Stewart]

I've been down this road recently with 9.1-release.  I ended up adding these 
lines to end of my script


## The next two are "hacks" in my book, without the last line, on reboot
## it gets stuck trying to find zfs:zroot/ROOT, but somehow the -f or reboot 
"fixes"
# this quirk
zpool export zroot
zpool import -f zroot
reboot

Without the altroot it replaces the live CD mounts, and basically renders the 
system pointless, except that it works on reboot.  :)   I tried all sorts of 
other ways to make it work, mounting zroot and specifying a cache file, then cp 
the file over, etc., nothing I did worked except the above.  There is probably 
a cleaner/better way but I was not able to find it.


-Chad
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Re: SPAM: Re: ZFS root, error 2 when mounting root

[dweimer]

On 02/25/2013 10:00 am, bw wrote:


That was my understanding, too, but the instructions on the wiki say 
there's no need to copy the cache file. In fact, there is no cache 
file to copy, since the pool is created with


zpool create -o altroot=/mnt -O canmount=off zroot mirror 
/dev/gpt/g0zfs /dev/gpt/g1zfs


No cache file. The wiki article was changed recently to eliminate 
that part, the message on the wiki is: "Fix so that the default 
instructions does not install data directly to the zroot pool. 
Simplify instructions regarding cache files, they are no longer 
needed. Fixes and cleanups."


Either the instructions are wrong, or something in my script is. I 
assume it's my script.


	The instructions noted above are now INCORRECT for 9.0 (I have not 
tried this with 9.1 yet) as you MUST manually put the zpool.cache file 
in place for it to work correctly (I tried a couple different 
variations when I first setup my systems a few months ago and learned 
this the hard way :-) I have *lost* of experience with ZFS under 
Solaris 10 but am relatively new (about a year) to FreeBSD.


I tried it on 9.1, failed to specify.


There is a change coming down through the stable or current channel, 
that doesn't require the zpool.cache file.  But I don't believe that it 
has made it's to any of the releases.  I haven't been able to track down 
the original message yet, but here is some of the relevant text from a 
reply on the freebsd-stable mailing list, the subject of the thread is 
"[HEADSUP] zfs root pool mounting", if you chose to search for it on 
your own.



on 28/11/2012 20:35 Andriy Gapon said the following:


Recently some changes were made to how a root pool is opened for 
root filesystem
mounting.  Previously the root pool had to be present in 
zpool.cache.  Now it is

automatically discovered by probing available GEOM providers.
The new scheme is believed to be more flexible.  For example, it 
allows to prepare
a new root pool at one system, then export it and then boot from it 
on a new
system without doing any extra/magical steps with zpool.cache.  It 
could also be

convenient after zpool split and in some other situations.

The change was introduced via multiple commits, the latest relevant 
revision in
head is r243502.  The changes are partially MFC-ed, the remaining 
parts are

scheduled to be MFC-ed soon.


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Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list

[Thomas Mueller]

FreeBSD emailing lists are not spammers, though they let some spams through 
that their filters miss.

Insight Cable uses synacor.com spam-filtering (dis)service that the Insight 
Cable user can't turn off.

This remedy is worse than the disease in my case because it causes bounces, and 
then my list membership is disabled.

Just a few days ago, I switched my FreeBSD lists email address back to the 
old-but-still-working AT&T-Yahoo bellsouth.net email.

But synacor.com only filtered out a small percentage of FreeBSD list messages, 
some but not all of which were spams.

Tom
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Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list

[Christopher J. Ruwe]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:06:50 -0500
Joe Altman  wrote:

> 
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 04:48:06PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a
> > very interesting part in the header, which I just paste
> > 
> > Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3
> > Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details:   (-2.3 points)
> >   pts rule name  description
> >   --
> > -- -2.3
> > RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED  RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/,
> > medium trust [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org]
> 
> >From the org's web page:
> 
> dnswl.org: DNS Whitelist - Protect against false positives
> 
> What is dnswl.org?
> 
> Dnswl.org is the leading whitelist provider for email filtering. It
> has over 80'000 users and contains more than 150'000 entries of "good
> mailservers". 
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Thanks for the explanation, the wl part of the domain and the negative
number escaped me completly. 

Sorry for the noise, cheers,
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Re: SPAM-flag on FBSD list

[Joe Altman]

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 04:48:06PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a
> very interesting part in the header, which I just paste
> 
> Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3
> Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details:   (-2.3 points)
>   pts rule name  description
>   -- 
> --
>  -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED  RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, 
> medium
>   trust
>  [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org]

>From the org's web page:

dnswl.org: DNS Whitelist - Protect against false positives

What is dnswl.org?

Dnswl.org is the leading whitelist provider for email filtering. It has
over 80'000 users and contains more than 150'000 entries of "good
mailservers". 
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SPAM-flag on FBSD list

[Christopher J . Ruwe]

Hello,

while testing a new mail configuration on freebsd-test@, I noticed a
very interesting part in the header, which I just paste

Old-X-HE-Spam-Score: -2.3
Old-X-HE-Spam-Report: Content analysis details:   (-2.3 points)
  pts rule name  description
  -- --
 -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED  RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium
  trust
 [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org]
  0.0 TVD_SPACE_RATIOTVD_SPACE_RATIO
X-HE-SPF: PASSED

Curious about who is the culprit in the chain, I did

[cjr@dijkstra:~]$ dig -x 8.8.178.116
(01-13 16:42)

; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P4 <<>> -x 8.8.178.116
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33133
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;116.178.8.8.in-addr.arpa.  IN  PTR

;; ANSWER SECTION:
116.178.8.8.in-addr.arpa. 3600  IN  PTR mx2.FreeBSD.org.

;; Query time: 96 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.178.1#53(192.168.178.1)
;; WHEN: Sun Jan 13 16:42:11 2013
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 71

Are the FreeBSD-mail servers spammers?

Anyhow, have a nice week, cheers,
--
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OT: Spam - Was: Re: HI

[Ralf Mardorf]

Please don't reply to spam, since this makes it harder to detect spam by
software.

Happy New Year!
Ralf

PS: I've broken the thread intendedly.

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Re: Spam and more spam

[Warren Block]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote:


could t be that everybody can post now on this list without being
registered and without having administrator's approval?


It actually has been that way forever.  There may be certain rules that 
trigger moderation in some cases, but usually not.  The reason for the 
open list is that questions@ has been given as a support address in 
documents, and some feel that should remain open.



Should we move to a list where only registered users can write just to
avoid the spam problem and not forcing a human to approve all e-mails
from addresses which are not registered?


The forums are that way already: http://forums.freebsd.org
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Spam and more spam

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

could t be that everybody can post now on this list without being
registered and without having administrator's approval?

I remember that my messages got delayed when I used my work's e-mail
address but when I just send an answer to a question intentional with
my work's e-mail address, it worked.

Should we move to a list where only registered users can write just to
avoid the spam problem and not forcing a human to approve all e-mails
from addresses which are not registered?

Erich
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Re: Spam and more spam.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi Gary,

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:03:49 -0700
Gary Kline  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:49:34AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:43:13 -0700
> > Gary Kline  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > >   im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep
> > > well, 
> > 
> > oh, do you have a Windows machine secretly running somewhere? I
> > would not be able to sleep then either.
> 
> 
>   ha!  never, never have I bought even one dos/doze computer.
> my daughter was given an old [1998] w2k box that she played games on.
>   it is long-gone:)

you do not even know then what these people go through.
> > 
> > Let me see what you got.
> > 
> 
>   yup, exactly.  these sorry, pathetic guys see an easy way to
>   spam and do it.  ... .
> 
They have meet month's end.

They needed the money ...

Erich
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Re: Spam and more spam.

[Gary Kline]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:49:34AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> 
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:43:13 -0700
> Gary Kline  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > 
> > hello erich and everyone,
> > 
> > im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well, 
> 
> oh, do you have a Windows machine secretly running somewhere? I would
> not be able to sleep then either.


ha!  never, never have I bought even one dos/doze computer.  my
daughter was given an old [1998] w2k box that she played games on.
it is long-gone:)
> 
> > so I am not as patient as you, erich,--or others still
> > on-list. I have =not= read all the mail headers below.  but at the
> > bottom of this email I will enclose an arabic [i think!] email.  if
> > you can gleen anything from it, excellent.  I get other *non*-8859
> > iso encoded email.  {Note that I still use mutt as my mua.
> > until all this spam, I did not know that mutt could even render non-
> > Latin characters.
> 
> Let me see what you got.
> 
> > for my appending the spam that I got from .  it
> > might have been sent from Anywhere.  
> 
> It looks to me too like it came directly to you as there is no sign of
> FreeBSD have been between.
> > 


it looks to me like this [and probably my other junk email] is
    coming from the lines in my ~/.fetchmailrc that go out and 
pull in what is sent to my gmail account.  [rarely, there is
spam from one of the freebsd lists--usually questions.]  instead 
of getting mad, I just hit "d" and move on.  
> > 
> > >From uhrda...@googlegroups.com  Thu Oct 11 01:14:43 2012
> > Received: from pop.where.secureserver.net [173.201.193.199]
> > by ethos.thought.org with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.22)
> > for  (single-drop); Thu, 11 Oct 2012
> > 01:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11377 invoked by uid 30297); 11
> > Oct 2012 08:13:50 - Received: from unknown (HELO
> > p3pismtp01-046.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([72.167.238.180])
> > (envelope-sender
> > ) by
> > p3plsmtp12-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for
> > ; 11 Oct 2012 08:13:50 -
> > X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result:
> > AiMSADx+dlDRVda4k2dsb2JhbABEgkuDR7Z6gT9nCCMBAQEBCQkLCRQEI4IjBQIPAg8dAQEEFh4FAQIBBQIIPQcCAgIBAQEZBREBBQERJAUdh08BEguaNwkDimhuT4J2AQWFCAoZgQ2IdQIEi0eFDoESB4hUhECXIz9Fg2o
> > Received: from mail-ob0-f184.google.com ([209.85.214.184]) by
> > p3pismtp01-046.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 11 Oct 2012
> > 01:13:50 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f184.google.com with SMTP id
> > x4sf1055803obh.21 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:46
> > -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> > d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806;
> > h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version 
> > :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id 
> > :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender 
> > :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
> > bh=jMFZmAQdT+pN7T6QKNSP2XkXpR1aCJ1+Wwtbzb2StxM=;
> > b=jPb2itO+q4lJZ9J8x8DIaPCegwCUkLJvIshfIA680YoMkZXW75RlpD+gCRtmmdsU7g
> >  
> > A6qeq75zQpbzkMHzwCXyQjNCxXFN/J2Ldi5AChZgi21i0BCELW7gOpBxcsdcpwr6qlGy
> >  
> > rVjws1Cnyzx/sZ6nX7J+Y1escXN7oPTWVQL6aqqqgkGXpW8ce6vJLE/lAEke8Jsdx2QW
> >  
> > hZ+klU5MPA700mA+ZE+0qYGHSv2D9DolX3+ilivKy9QiMHYFpyt+/njC533tyTtRISxu
> >  
> > j3QpnxjbSv+MYMy7bg4RPFtnZQY7wYvK0NWXQymo5VLtjvxu0QXDJPghZDEsrMtgVnOE
> >  o5jw==
> > Received: by 10.52.28.45 with SMTP id y13mr7790vdg.10.1349943226444;
> > Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > X-BeenThere: uhrda...@googlegroups.com
> > Received: by 10.220.141.4 with SMTP id k4ls1027454vcu.8.gmail; Thu,
> > 11 Oct 2012 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > Received: by 10.52.72.197 with SMTP id f5mr6251vdv.17.1349943224082;
> > Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: hamdy ahmed 
> > To: uhrda...@googlegroups.com
> > Message-Id: <29039954-caad-40fe-a3be-d06d79027...@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: =?UTF-8?B?2YjYsdi02Kkg2LnZhdmEIDogKNiq2YbZhdmK2Kkg2Ygg?=
> >  =?UTF-8?B?2KrYt9mI2YrYsSDYp9mE2YXZh9in2LHYp9iqINin2YTYpdiv2Kc=?=
> >  =?UTF-8?B?2LHZitipKdin2LPYt9mG2KjZiNmEIOKAkyDYqtix2YPZitinIA==?=
> >  =?UTF-8?B?IDIyIOKAkyAzMSDYr9mK2LPZhdio2LEyMDEy2YU=?=
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > X-Original-Sender: uhrda1...@gmail.com
> > Reply-To: uhrda...@googlegroups.com
> > Preceden

Re: Spam and more spam.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi Gary,

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:43:13 -0700
Gary Kline  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> 
>   hello erich and everyone,
> 
>   im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well, 

oh, do you have a Windows machine secretly running somewhere? I would
not be able to sleep then either.

>   so I am not as patient as you, erich,--or others still
> on-list. I have =not= read all the mail headers below.  but at the
> bottom of this email I will enclose an arabic [i think!] email.  if
> you can gleen anything from it, excellent.  I get other *non*-8859
>   iso encoded email.  {Note that I still use mutt as my mua.
> until all this spam, I did not know that mutt could even render non-
>   Latin characters.

Let me see what you got.

>   for my appending the spam that I got from .  it
>   might have been sent from Anywhere.  

It looks to me too like it came directly to you as there is no sign of
FreeBSD have been between.
>   
> 
> >From uhrda...@googlegroups.com  Thu Oct 11 01:14:43 2012
> Received: from pop.where.secureserver.net [173.201.193.199]
>   by ethos.thought.org with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.22)
>   for  (single-drop); Thu, 11 Oct 2012
> 01:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11377 invoked by uid 30297); 11
> Oct 2012 08:13:50 - Received: from unknown (HELO
> p3pismtp01-046.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) ([72.167.238.180])
> (envelope-sender
> ) by
> p3plsmtp12-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (qmail-1.03) with SMTP for
> ; 11 Oct 2012 08:13:50 -
> X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result:
> AiMSADx+dlDRVda4k2dsb2JhbABEgkuDR7Z6gT9nCCMBAQEBCQkLCRQEI4IjBQIPAg8dAQEEFh4FAQIBBQIIPQcCAgIBAQEZBREBBQERJAUdh08BEguaNwkDimhuT4J2AQWFCAoZgQ2IdQIEi0eFDoESB4hUhECXIz9Fg2o
> Received: from mail-ob0-f184.google.com ([209.85.214.184]) by
> p3pismtp01-046.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with ESMTP; 11 Oct 2012
> 01:13:50 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f184.google.com with SMTP id
> x4sf1055803obh.21 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:46
> -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
> d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806;
> h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version 
> :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id 
> :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender 
> :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
> bh=jMFZmAQdT+pN7T6QKNSP2XkXpR1aCJ1+Wwtbzb2StxM=;
> b=jPb2itO+q4lJZ9J8x8DIaPCegwCUkLJvIshfIA680YoMkZXW75RlpD+gCRtmmdsU7g
>  A6qeq75zQpbzkMHzwCXyQjNCxXFN/J2Ldi5AChZgi21i0BCELW7gOpBxcsdcpwr6qlGy
>  rVjws1Cnyzx/sZ6nX7J+Y1escXN7oPTWVQL6aqqqgkGXpW8ce6vJLE/lAEke8Jsdx2QW
>  hZ+klU5MPA700mA+ZE+0qYGHSv2D9DolX3+ilivKy9QiMHYFpyt+/njC533tyTtRISxu
>  j3QpnxjbSv+MYMy7bg4RPFtnZQY7wYvK0NWXQymo5VLtjvxu0QXDJPghZDEsrMtgVnOE
>  o5jw==
> Received: by 10.52.28.45 with SMTP id y13mr7790vdg.10.1349943226444;
> Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:46 -0700 (PDT)
> X-BeenThere: uhrda...@googlegroups.com
> Received: by 10.220.141.4 with SMTP id k4ls1027454vcu.8.gmail; Thu,
> 11 Oct 2012 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by 10.52.72.197 with SMTP id f5mr6251vdv.17.1349943224082;
> Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:13:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: hamdy ahmed 
> To: uhrda...@googlegroups.com
> Message-Id: <29039954-caad-40fe-a3be-d06d79027...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: =?UTF-8?B?2YjYsdi02Kkg2LnZhdmEIDogKNiq2YbZhdmK2Kkg2Ygg?=
>  =?UTF-8?B?2KrYt9mI2YrYsSDYp9mE2YXZh9in2LHYp9iqINin2YTYpdiv2Kc=?=
>  =?UTF-8?B?2LHZitipKdin2LPYt9mG2KjZiNmEIOKAkyDYqtix2YPZitinIA==?=
>  =?UTF-8?B?IDIyIOKAkyAzMSDYr9mK2LPZhdio2LEyMDEy2YU=?=
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Original-Sender: uhrda1...@gmail.com
> Reply-To: uhrda...@googlegroups.com
> Precedence: list
> Mailing-list: list uhrda...@googlegroups.com; contact
> uhrda-15+own...@googlegroups.com List-ID: 
> X-Google-Group-Id: 474025889798
> List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/uhrda-15/post?hl=ar_US>,
> <mailto:uhrda...@googlegroups.com> List-Help:
> <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=ar_US>,
> <mailto:uhrda-15+h...@googlegroups.com> List-Archive:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/uhrda-15?hl=ar_US> Sender:
> uhrda...@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/uhrda-15/subscribe?hl=ar_US>,
> <mailto:uhrda-15+subscr...@googlegroups.com> List-Unsubscribe:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/uhrda-15/subscribe?hl=ar_US>,
> <mailto:googlegroups-manage+474025889798+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="=_Part_304_10870051.1349943223713" X-Nonspam: None
> Status: RO Content-Length: 22859 Lines: 387
> 

I get hundreds 

Re: Spam and more spam.

[Gary Kline]

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 01:27:30PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,

hello erich and everyone,

im getting too aged [and achy and cranky:)] to sleep well, 
so I am not as patient as you, erich,--or others still on-list.
I have =not= read all the mail headers below.  but at the bottom
of this email I will enclose an arabic [i think!] email.  if you
can gleen anything from it, excellent.  I get other *non*-8859
iso encoded email.  {Note that I still use mutt as my mua.  until
all this spam, I did not know that mutt could even render non-
Latin characters.

--cont below--
> 
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:04:48 -0700
> Gary Kline  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:06:11PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
> > > Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > >Hi,
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100
> > > >andrew clarke  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier
> > > >>(realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Bonjour,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je
> > > >>>souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa
> > > >>>sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous
> > > >>>s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa
> > > >>>date de sortie
> > > >>http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html
> > > >>
> > > >>PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list.
> > > >
> > > >I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam.
> > > >
> > > >Erich
> > > >>___
> > > 
> > > Aloha Erich,
> > > 
> > > I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now.
> > > In several languages including Chinese and French as well as
> > > English.
> > > 
> > > Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this?
> > > 
> > > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
> > >   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
> > >   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
> > >   < email: n...@hdk5.net >
> > > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis
> > > Carrol
> > > 
> > 
> > aloha al!
> > 
> > I have been getting arabic, vchinese, french, and other spam
> > in recent weeks.  Ugh!!  dont know how it is getting thru godaddy's
> > filters, but it is.
> > 
> I took a look at one of the spam mails. The header looks like this:
> 
> Return-Path: 
> Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53])
>   by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
> q9AKN55i005588 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2012
> 14:23:06 -0600 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org
> [8.8.178.136]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5BA203799;
>   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:52 + (UTC)
> Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [8.8.178.136])
>   by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0E2D06;
>   Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:52:44 + (UTC)
>   (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org)
> Delivered-To: freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org
> Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52])
>  by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2F6C67
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Re: Spam and more spam.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:04:48 -0700
Gary Kline  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:06:11PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
> > Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100
> > >andrew clarke  wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier
> > >>(realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Bonjour,
> > >>>
> > >>>Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je
> > >>>souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa
> > >>>sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous
> > >>>s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa
> > >>>date de sortie
> > >>http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html
> > >>
> > >>PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list.
> > >
> > >I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam.
> > >
> > >Erich
> > >>___
> > 
> > Aloha Erich,
> > 
> > I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now.
> > In several languages including Chinese and French as well as
> > English.
> > 
> > Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this?
> > 
> > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
> >   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
> >   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
> >   < email: n...@hdk5.net >
> > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis
> > Carrol
> > 
> 
>   aloha al!
> 
>   I have been getting arabic, vchinese, french, and other spam
> in recent weeks.  Ugh!!  dont know how it is getting thru godaddy's
> filters, but it is.
> 
I took a look at one of the spam mails. The header looks like this:

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Re: Spam and more spam.

[Gary Kline]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 05:06:11PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
> Erich Dollansky wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100
> >andrew clarke  wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier
> >>(realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >>
> >>>Bonjour,
> >>>
> >>>Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je
> >>>souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa
> >>>sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous
> >>>s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa
> >>>date de sortie
> >>http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html
> >>
> >>PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list.
> >
> >I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam.
> >
> >Erich
> >>___
> 
> Aloha Erich,
> 
> I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now.
> In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English.
> 
> Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this?
> 
> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
>   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
>   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
>   < email: n...@hdk5.net >
> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol
> 

aloha al!

I have been getting arabic, vchinese, french, and other spam in recent
weeks.  Ugh!!  dont know how it is getting thru godaddy's filters, but
it is.

gary


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Re: Spam and more spam.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi Al,

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:06:11 -1000
Al Plant  wrote:

> Erich Dollansky wrote:

> > I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam.
> 
> Aloha Erich,
> 
my wife loves you. This is for sure. Why? She loves your place.

> I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now.
> In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English.
> 
There are two kind of spams. One comes directly via the list and one
comes only to the addresses used at the list.

> Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this?

If I use my other e-mail addresses which are not registered, I get an
message that the mail needs approval. The person who approves should
block the spam coming via the list.

But I also get some spam from people who harvested my address there. It
is still not enough to make me a special filter rule.
> 
> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740

Even for the fact that I do not have a reason to complain, your address
sounds cool.

Erich

>+ http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
>+ http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
>< email: n...@hdk5.net >
> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis
> Carrol
> 

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Re: Spam and more spam.

[Al Plant]

Erich Dollansky wrote:

Hi,

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:39:12 +1100
andrew clarke  wrote:


On Wed 2012-10-10 10:16:35 UTC+0200, René Mercier
(realmo.merc...@gmail.com) wrote:


Bonjour,

Je suis sous Debian, mais travaillant dans les réseaux, je
souhaiterai passer sur FreeBsd pour sa stabilité et pour sa
sécurité,, je vois qu'actuellement il y une 9 rc1, pourriez vous
s'il vous plait me dire quelle la prochaine release à venir et sa
date de sortie

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html

PS. This is an English-speaking mailing list.


I wonder how many people did what I did an classified this as spam.

Erich

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Aloha Erich,

I'm getting SPAM on the FreeBSD list for a couple of days now.
In several languages including Chinese and French as well as English.

Doesnt our list have a way to block so much of this?

~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
  + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
  + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD  7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
  < email: n...@hdk5.net >
"All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol

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Re: [spam] Equine Vaccines offered by Santa Cruz

[Robert Bonomi]

Anyone offended by this spam to the mailing-list is strongly encouraged
to call the company to complain -- TOLL FREE numbers are:
   U.S.A.   1-800-457-3801  (headquarters)
   Europe   +00800 4573 8000(Germany)
   Asia (010) 800.40402026  (Japan)
   Asia 00798.1.1.002.0297  (S. Korea)

In North America, using a pay phone costs the toll-free owner over $0.35
when they answer the call.  Keep this in mind if you have to call back 
because of a dropped connection, or other communication problem.,

There is no doubt the company actually sent the spam.  
The 'smoking gun' is that their website recognized the email address for
an 'unsubscribe' from their mailings.

The people that 'need to know' about the 'error of their ways' are the
include:
  John R Stephenson   President & CEO
  Ada Popkey  Finance director

And their
  Head of Marketing
  Head of Public Relations  or Corporate Communications.


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Re: [Spam] Fw: Merry Christmas from the FreeBSD Security Team

[Daniel Staal]

--As of December 23, 2011 5:45:42 PM +0100, Bas Smeelen is alleged to have 
said:



While I'm writing, a note to freebsd-update users:
FreeBSD-SA-11:07.chroot has a rather messy fix involving adding a new
interface to libc; this has the awkward side effect of causing the sizes
of some "symbols" (aka. functions) in libc to change, resulting in
cascading changes into many binaries.  The long list of updated files is
irritating, but isn't a sign that anything in freebsd-update went wrong.


--As for the rest, it is mine.

I appreciate the hard work, though I could wish it were better timed.  ;)

However, the above does worry me a bit: Is that same library change likely 
to affect ports?  Any way to tell which, if so?  (Or should I just start 
reinstalling everything...)


Daniel T. Staal

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Re: {SPAM} New games for you

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sun Jun 19 06:38:27 2011
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:38:05 -0400
> From: Jerry 
> To: FreeBSD 
> Subject: Re: {SPAM}  New games for you
>
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT)
> Robert Bonomi  articulated:
>
> > Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to
> > one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to
> > their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have
> > posted at: <http://www.r-bonomi.com/procmailrecipe1.html>
>
> Interestingly enough, WOT <http://www.mywot.com/> rates that site "very
> poor" and displays a warning when it is visited.

*SIGH* 

Proof one should _not_ trust WOT ratings when they are based on small numbers
of reports.  In this instance, a 'sample size' of *ONE*.

Fact: there was _never_ any 'phishing' page on my server, as the user report
  claims.  What there -was-, was a copy of an eBay/Paypal ERROR PAGE, with
  the *only* distribution of that URL to eBay/Paypal customer support (by
  telephone) for purposes of resolving the problem that error page 
  demonstrated.

The 'vendor reliability' rating is meaningless, Assuming that that WOT user
making the rtingknew anyting about the vendor, which is unlikely :).  The 
machine intentinally mis-reports its vendor identity as a company that went
out of existance more than a decade ago.  Reported application versions are 
similar mis-directon.  The machine, itself, armor-plated and diamond-coated.
It is proof against _any_ attack other than 'denial of service' -- regardless
of any software vulnerabilites, *undiscovered* or otherwise.  All media with 
executables, or non-volatile data (like web pages),  are (hardware enforced)
read-only, and all writable media are flagged by the kernel such that any 
attempt to 'execute' any content from that media is disallowed. Even _I_ 
can't change anything without taking the machine off-line and into single-
user mode.  I can give _you_ console access *and* the super-user password,
the _worst_ you can do is denial of service.  

The other 'ratings' by that single user are similarly laughable. He has
no way of knowing anything about any of them.


All that said, thanks for the heads-up about mywot.com.  I've never heard
of them before this.  


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Re: {SPAM} New games for you

[Bruce Cran]

On 19/06/2011 12:38, Jerry wrote:


Interestingly enough, WOT  rates that site "very
poor" and displays a warning when it is visited.


I suspect some people like reporting sites as bad. Mine was reported as 
"not safe: has the trojan virus" and I had to ask Norton to re-check it 
before it marked it as OK.


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Re: {SPAM} New games for you

[Jerry]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 04:52:15 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi  articulated:

> Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to
> one Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to
> their service) is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have
> posted at: 

Interestingly enough, WOT  rates that site "very
poor" and displays a warning when it is visited.

-- 
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Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header.

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Re: {SPAM} New games for you

[Robert Bonomi]

Anybody running procmail who is tired of this Netlog cr*p (thanks to one
Elias Shashati, who subscribed the questions mailing list to their service)
is welcome to use the procmail recipe that I have posted at:
  <http://www.r-bonomi.com/procmailrecipe1.html>

Original message:

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sun Jun 19 01:09:13 2011
> From: Netlog 
> To: Elias Shashati 
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:07:46 +
> Subject: New games for you
>
> Hi Elias! Try out these new games!
>
> [[  sneck spam content  ]]
>
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Re: ipv6 spam

[Chris Brennan]

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Robert Simmons  wrote:

I have begun receiving ipv6 spam from this mailing list, and I was
> wondering how to determine who the owner of a particular ipv6 address
> is.


A whois may tell you who the block has been given too (ISP wise) ... that
may start you in the right direction

For example:

I have a valid IPv6 address from my hosting provider (they gets used for IRC
on occasion ..)

NetRange:   2610:1E8:: - 2610:1E8::::::
CIDR:   2610:1E8::/32
OriginAS:   AS14595
NetName:NET-THINKTEL6-1
NetHandle:  NET6-2610-1E8-1
Parent: NET6-2610-1
NetType:Direct Allocation
RegDate:2007-05-04
Updated:2007-05-04
Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET6-2610-1E8-1

As you can see, a whois of that ip reveals the block provided to my hosts
provider, from there you could start asking questions. Spam sent to the
list, I tend to ignore, spam sent to me, I investigate and make go away. I'v
also run a tracert(6) to find a general geographic region of the spam, if
it's origin was reasonably local then I fire e-mails off to those locations
as best I can.

An interesting story here ... I actually knew one of my spammers,
personally, a pseudofriend who always tried to show off to me, he had money
and was always buying gadgets that he had no use for or how to use. When I
figured it out I almost laughed meself stupid. I then took all my proof to
his Mom and it all stopped, all his gadgets mysteriously disappeared from
his house and he stopped calling ... coincidentally, all of that
mysteriously disappeared junk, magically appeared in my bedroom :D

Anywho there are ways, just takes patience and persistence...

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ipv6 spam

[Robert Simmons]

I have begun receiving ipv6 spam from this mailing list, and I was
wondering how to determine who the owner of a particular ipv6 address
is.
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Re: spam?

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Ian Smith  wrote:

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 353, Issue 11, Message: 4
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 + Bruce Cran  wrote:
>  > On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote:
>  > > In the last week I got four emails like this one today:
>  > >
>  > > From: mailto:br...@cran.org.uk";>br...@cran.org.uk
>  > > To: mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com";>per...@pluto.rain.com
> 
>  > > CC: mailto:free...@edvax.de";>free...@edvax.de,   > > href="mailto:lum...@gmail.com";>lum...@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>
> [I guess it's a gmail option whether to quote messages with addresses
> shown as HTML urls?  Other people seem to be able to avoid doing that]
>
>  > That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are
>  > forging emails.  See
>  >
> http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.htmlfor
>  more details.
>
> G'day Bruce,
>
> unfortunately trying to follow that through by 'next in thread' on
> derkeiler.com lands at a message that they've censored, declaring:
>
>  "Error 410: The page you requested has been removed
>  The page you requested has been removed due to inappropriate content."
>
> >From there, they leave you no way to finish the thread, in particular to
> my detailed wannabe FAQ - in reply to you, as it happened - on how folks
> might solve this issue at:
>
>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225226.html
>
> That report may or may not help gmail users, as Chris Brennan reported
> gmail provides no way to filter on message headers such as Message-ID,
> still at least it shows how to determine that these messages are indeed
> forgeries.  Maybe by now parklogic realise that targetting gmail users
> will cause the most mischief?  Evil doesn't necessarily mean stupid ..
>
> As for derkeiler.com's apparently arbitrary censorship, you can see the
> message they removed, two messages before mine by thread, here:
>
>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225236.html
>
> Apart from charging Svein Skogen with 'signature too long' :) I can't
> imagine why they or their robot might have taken offense.  At least at
> lists.freebsd.org only something pretty extreme may provoke our esteemed
> postmaster into removing a message, and there's less obfuscation there
> of email addresses (like parklogic.com) .. for better or worse.
>
> cheers, Ian
>
>
Good job Ian! I was looking for that but hadn't had time to sit down and
actually find it and you beat me to the punch. ajtiM, it boils down to two
choices with GMail;

1) Continue to use the web-interface (I do) and live with this spam and just
delete the message (take care to not mark it as spam, while GMail's SPAM
filter is smart, it is by no means intelligent, marking it as spam would
flag more then just *THAT* e-mail's headers as spam, it would flag the whole
thread, including f-q@.)

2) Your second option would require you to turn pop3/impa4 support on in
GMail and set up a client with more advanced filter support, or you could
set up some combination of fetchmail/procmail/, manipulate it to filter out the spam you don't like and then throw
up a local web-interface for your mail or use a local client such as mutt.

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Re: spam?

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 353, Issue 11, Message: 4
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:57:03 + Bruce Cran  wrote:
 > On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote:
 > > In the last week I got four emails like this one today:
 > > 
 > > From: mailto:br...@cran.org.uk";>br...@cran.org.uk
 > > To: mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com";>per...@pluto.rain.com
 > > CC: mailto:free...@edvax.de";>free...@edvax.de,  > href="mailto:lum...@gmail.com";>lum...@gmail.com,  > href="mailto:freebsd-
 > > questi...@freebsd.org">freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

[I guess it's a gmail option whether to quote messages with addresses 
shown as HTML urls?  Other people seem to be able to avoid doing that]

 > That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are
 > forging emails.  See
 > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.html
 >  for more details.

G'day Bruce,

unfortunately trying to follow that through by 'next in thread' on 
derkeiler.com lands at a message that they've censored, declaring:

 "Error 410: The page you requested has been removed
 The page you requested has been removed due to inappropriate content."

>From there, they leave you no way to finish the thread, in particular to 
my detailed wannabe FAQ - in reply to you, as it happened - on how folks 
might solve this issue at:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225226.html

That report may or may not help gmail users, as Chris Brennan reported 
gmail provides no way to filter on message headers such as Message-ID, 
still at least it shows how to determine that these messages are indeed 
forgeries.  Maybe by now parklogic realise that targetting gmail users 
will cause the most mischief?  Evil doesn't necessarily mean stupid ..

As for derkeiler.com's apparently arbitrary censorship, you can see the 
message they removed, two messages before mine by thread, here:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2010-December/225236.html

Apart from charging Svein Skogen with 'signature too long' :) I can't 
imagine why they or their robot might have taken offense.  At least at 
lists.freebsd.org only something pretty extreme may provoke our esteemed 
postmaster into removing a message, and there's less obfuscation there 
of email addresses (like parklogic.com) .. for better or worse.

cheers, Ian
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Re: spam?

[Bruce Cran]

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 06:49 -0500, ajtiM wrote:
> In the last week I got four emails like this one today:
> 
> From: mailto:br...@cran.org.uk";>br...@cran.org.uk
> To: mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com";>per...@pluto.rain.com
> CC: mailto:free...@edvax.de";>free...@edvax.de,  href="mailto:lum...@gmail.com";>lum...@gmail.com, mailto:freebsd-
> questi...@freebsd.org">freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

That's not from me - it's from a company called ParkLogic who are
forging emails.  See
http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2010-12/msg00591.html 
for more details.

-- 
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spam?

[ajtiM]

In the last week I got four emails like this one today:

From: mailto:br...@cran.org.uk";>br...@cran.org.uk
To: mailto:per...@pluto.rain.com";>per...@pluto.rain.com
CC: mailto:free...@edvax.de";>free...@edvax.de, mailto:lum...@gmail.com";>lum...@gmail.com, mailto:freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org">freebsd-questions@freebsd.org


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to.
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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: elb...@gmail.com
>To: ggat...@waddell.com
>Subject: Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)
>Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:43:12 +
>
>>On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote:
>>> 
>>Oh dear.
>>
>>> OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this 
>>> worthless thread?
>>Hmm.  Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance. 
>Hmm.
>>This thread was started by me.  Now let me see, yes, I still have my
>>arms and legs.  Which must logically mean I have substance.  And I
>have
>>spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and
>>embracing it.  From all the information I have learnt about life and
>>other people, I believe I have substance.  And, as a result, my
>>creations (my emails) are born from that substance.  I forgive you.
>>
>>> And now the debian list too?  That's great...
>>I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting:
>>forgetting money.
>>
>>> Dear Hijacker:  You are the superior one, all others are inferior.
>>You are incorrect.  I am the same as everyone else, just as you are.
>>
>>> You are right, all others are wrong.
>>Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong.  Instead, try to
>>realise the truth: people spend their time differently.  Your brain
>is
>>only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based
>on
>>that information, you make decisions.
>>
>>> Please go away.
>>You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not
>>silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around
>us.
>>
>>> Perhaps preach your "wisdom" to a more receptive audience,
>>I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread,
>maybe
>>even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves.  These
>are
>>the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst
>others
>>who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind. 
>Just
>>as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left
>behind.
>>
>>> such as your stuffed toy animals.
>>I don't own any, though my woman has a few.  It's a girl thing I
>think.
>>
>>> You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you
>live?
>>I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with
>my
>>life.  Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions
>and
>>learn new information.
>>
>>> Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom.
>>I am not superior.  I have spent my time differently.
>>
>>> Have a great life.
>>I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even
>better.
>>
>>> "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended
>recipient
>>> and may contain information that is privileged and/or
>confidential.
>>> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
>that
>>> any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this
>email
>>> and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited.  If you have 
>>> received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender
>>> by return email and delete this email from your system."
>> ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my
>brain,
>>once I have read them?
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>
>>elbbit
>>
I too am tired of this tripe.  However, in a world without money, how
do you pay your ISP?
L
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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Chris Brennan]

>
> I came from my mother, just as you came from yours.  I am not sorry you
> are unable to accept that my opinion differs from yours, and I hope that
> we resolve this.


I came from a test tube.
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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 16:07, Gary Gatten wrote:
> 
Oh dear.

> OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this 
> worthless thread?
Hmm.  Worthless... without value... an entity lacking substance.  Hmm.
This thread was started by me.  Now let me see, yes, I still have my
arms and legs.  Which must logically mean I have substance.  And I have
spent my time since birth learning about the world around me and
embracing it.  From all the information I have learnt about life and
other people, I believe I have substance.  And, as a result, my
creations (my emails) are born from that substance.  I forgive you.

> And now the debian list too?  That's great...
I think you underestimate the size of the problem I am highlighting:
forgetting money.

> Dear Hijacker:  You are the superior one, all others are inferior.
You are incorrect.  I am the same as everyone else, just as you are.

> You are right, all others are wrong.
Try not to see things as a case of right or wrong.  Instead, try to
realise the truth: people spend their time differently.  Your brain is
only as reliable as the information you have fed into it, and based on
that information, you make decisions.

> Please go away.
You may succeed in silencing me as an individual, but you will not
silence the growing Zeitgeist movement which is happening all around us.

> Perhaps preach your "wisdom" to a more receptive audience,
I think some people on these lists are questioning this thread, maybe
even doing their own Google searches to learn for themselves.  These are
the people who will embrace the new world without money, whilst others
who close their minds and only accept the old will be left behind.  Just
as the horse gave way to the motor car, so will money be left behind.

> such as your stuffed toy animals.
I don't own any, though my woman has a few.  It's a girl thing I think.

> You know, the ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live?
I live in my own house, I eat my own food and I am very happy with my
life.  Making assumptions is not a reliable way to make decisions and
learn new information.

> Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom.
I am not superior.  I have spent my time differently.

> Have a great life.
I already have a great life, and together, we could make it even better.

> "This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient
> and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential.
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that
> any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email
> and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited.  If you have 
> received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender
> by return email and delete this email from your system."
 ^^^ How can I delete your words from the internal memory in my brain,
once I have read them?

Simon


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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
> OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this
> worthless thread? And now the debian list too?  That's great...

Agreed :-)

Debian list dropped as cross posting bad.
Individual cc's dropped as one is the troll, & other don't need copies.

For those new to this FreeBSD list who may not know yet, 
there are generaly 3 ways of rescuing FreeBSD lists:
- People reply to troll: "Please move to "
- Or post to list: "Please don't feed the troll" (Then others cease replying).
- &/Or report to , asking that the troll be added
  to black list, as postings not relevant to FreeBSD list.

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Chris Brennan]

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:22 AM, elbbit  wrote:

> I don't "work" like you do.  I live in a world without money, without
> rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets.  I don't labour
> anything - I leisure everything.
>

So Simon, you must be the poor man I pass on the street every day and give
Quarters to for coffee?

Here is a label for you to chew on YOU ARE A SPAMMER! *THIS* list is for
FreeBSD-related questions not for you to shove your inflammatory words down
our throats. You've made your point, now please go away. No one *ON THIS
LIST* wants to read your words, we no longer care about your opinion or what
it means because you clearly don't care about our opinion for you to change
the subject and get on a topic for this list.

Speaking of topics ... just because a mailing list is open for you to send
mail to DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN SPAM IT WITH NONSENSE! freebsd-questions
has a purpose and it would be wise for you to adhere to it, there are also
rules of etiquette which you should also adhere to.

Each piece of mail you have sent has been reported to your ISP/Carrier. Each
piece of mail you continue to send will lodge you yet another complaint. I
will continue to do this till I piss your ISP/Carrier off SO bad, they are
left with two choices  nullroute me or deal with you  since I have
many thousands of domains at my disposal, I think, from a business
perspective, they will choose to cut you off, cold-turkey then deal w/ the
technical resources required to continue to block me, also if enough other
people from both the freebsd and debian lists complain, your ISP/Carrier may
even choose to seek legal action from you. You *are* in violation of your
agreement, a legally binding contract in your country of origin and the
ISP/Carrier.

Simon, do not reply, we no longer wish to here your dribble and we
so desperately wish for you to crawl back into the hole whence you came.
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Re: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

On 28/01/11 16:15, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> From elb...@gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 08:59:21 2011
>>> On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>>>> see: <http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld>
>>> Rule #0: Spam is theft.
>> Mail servers are offering a service.  If you don't want to receive >>
spam stop offering the service.
>>> Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little >>>
bit from each person on the Internet at once.
>> Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver
>> some mail for me.
> LIE.
What?  Now you are saying that you didn't offer to send the mail for me?
 You just received THIS email so you are STILL offering the service of
reception to me.

> The mailing list operator offered to deliver mail for a SPECIFIC
> PURPOSE.  You _disregarded_ that purpose.
Please identify the purpose if it is not "discussion."  We are
discussing "spam," are we not?

>>> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
>> Assumptive.  Just like when you lose something you assume it may be
>> gone for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your
>> pocket.  Assumptions can be wrong as well as right.
> Your  are a spammer.
Assumptive.  I could label you back, but I am able to control my emotions.

> you lied. see above.  Q.E.D.
I'm not going to repeat something which has already been done.  This is
the equivalent of making a journey from my office to the mail box twice
just to deliver a single envelope.

> The rest of your 'analysis' simply proves Shar's Commentary.
Who is Shar?  And what did they comment?  A reference please.  I tried a
Google search for this, but it is too vague.

> Enjoy the fruits of your labors.
I don't "work" like you do.  I live in a world without money, without
rules and restrictions, without deadlines and targets.  I don't labour
anything - I leisure everything.

Simon


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RE: Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[Gary Gatten]

OMFG... how much longer are "we" going to keep commenting on this worthless 
thread? And now the debian list too?  That's great...

Dear Hijacker:  You are the superior one, all others are inferior.  You are 
right, all others are wrong.  Please go away.  Perhaps preach your "wisdom" to 
a more receptive audience, such as your stuffed toy animals.  You know, the 
ones you keep in your Mommies basement where you live?

Thank you for enlightening all of us with your superior wisdom.  Have a great 
life.

G









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Spam Rules, per argument (Re: Any package for surveys?)

[elbbit]

> On 28/01/11 12:28, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> see: <http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/rulesofspam.shtmld>
> I removed the "d".  Not too sure about the flying kids, looks a bit
> porno-related to me.  Hmm, I think it's biased too.  This is just my
> opinion though.
> 

Further to my email earlier, I present to you my logical analysis of
your link, analysed by item:

> Rule #0: Spam is theft.
Mail servers are offering a service.  If you don't want to receive spam
stop offering the service.

> Angel's Commentary: Spammers believe it's okay to steal a little bit
> from each person on the Internet at once.
Stealing... taking without consent... hey, you offered to deliver some
mail for me.

> Rule #1: Spammers lie.
Assumptive.  Just like when you lose something you assume it may be gone
for ever, but wait, no, there it is, you left it in your pocket.
Assumptions can be wrong as well as right.

> Russel's Admonition: Always assume that there is a measurable chance
> that the entity you are dealing with is a spammer.
Sounds like an instruction.  Maybe, it would be better as a guideline:
"There is a chance a person is attempting to deliver mail, which the
sender may want people to read.  The words contained in the message are
series of numbers and letters which may communicate an idea which you do
not agree with."

> Lexical Contradiction: Spammers will redefine any term in order to
> disguise their abuse of Internet resources.
It is true that some people lie and cheat and say whatever is neccessary
for the own personal gain.  Most of these lies are to do with a personal
motivation to make money.  Money, which is a made up idea.

> Sharp's Corollary: Spammers attempt to re-define "spamming" as that
> which they do not do.
Hmm.  As I continue my analysis it seems that you are defining a
"spammer" as any one who has an idea which you do not like.  Just
because an idea is not to your liking does not mean that it does not exist.

> Finnell's Corollary: Spammers define "remove" as "validate."
Probably true.  Did you ask them?  The have phones and watch YouTube,
just like you do.

> Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1.
I don't understand this one.  You think that because I read it once I
did not absorb the information on your web page into my brain and
compute for myself an assessment of it's content?  Wow.

> Crissman's Corollary: A spammer, when caught, blames his victims.
Well, I'm sure that if no blood is being spilt that forgiveness is
possible.  Maybe you could forgive "spammers" for being so misguided?

> Moore's Corollary: Spammers' lies are seldom questioned by mainstream
> media.
Agreed.  This is probably because both "spammers" (as you define them)
and the "mainstream media" are the same goal -> MONEY.  So, you see, why
don't we just stop using money and maybe some of these problems might go
away?

> Rule #3: Spammers are stupid.
Assumptive.  I think anyone who is able to reverse-engineer a mail
filter is educated enough to know enough about the world in order to
"abuse" it.  If we stop using money, people the make the mail filters
and those who make the "spam" could use their skill differently.

> Krueger's Corollary: Spammer lies are really stupid.
Lies always are.  All lies are exposed eventually.

> Pickett's Commentary: Spammer lies are boring.
I disagree.  Some stories are fascinating; they draw you in with a lure
and promise of something great - even if it is just a story.  Like the
story of money.  Of yeah, we made that up didn't we.

> Russell's Corollary: Never underestimate the stupidity of spammers.
If it were my web page (which I don't think it would, but hey, work with
me here), instead of that I would probably write: "Never assume people
spend their time in the same way you do, and accept that people will
choose to do different things with their time."

> Spinosa's Corollary: Spammers assume everybody is more stupid than
> themselves.
Assumptive.  I don't assume, I *KNOW* everybody spends their time
differently.

> Spammer's Standard of Discourse: Threats and intimidation trump facts
> and logic.
Facts and logics: an excellent argument.

> Rule #4: The natural course of a spamming business is to go bankrupt.
Bankrupt... to end a process or time with no money... oh dear.  Not
money again.   Hmm.

> Rules-Keeper Shaffer's Refrain: Spammers routinely prove the Rules of
> Spam are valid.
Humans never cease to amaze me at how wonderful our collective effort
has become.

Simon Tibble
UK

> 
> How are you going to spend your time from now on?
> 
> With the kindest of regards from,
> 
> Simon Tibble
> 74 Park Street

Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

On 12/24/10 01:44, Chris Rees wrote:

On 23 December 2010 13:57, Da Rock
  wrote:
   

On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote:
 

On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
wrote:


   

Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth
putting
feelers out, though :)


 

Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a
939?

Sorry you're not having much luck.

If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
but that's better left to someone more local for you!

Hope you get some results soon.



   

Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a
local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were
754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was
just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that
may have been local.
 

I think you're thinking of Socket 462. This might clear it up a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon64

Chris
   
No, but you're right I'll agree. Mustn't have been available via my 
sources though- only the 32bit processors were 754 here, 64 had to be a 
939. Probably some smartarse' marketing ploy... :)

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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Robert]

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:23:30 +1000
Da Rock  wrote:

> I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this
> CPU into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe
> dreaming too :) ):
> 
> 184 pin RAM DIMM
> SataIII 4+ ports
> Either onboard or AGP Video
> 2x Gigabit LAN
> 
> Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the
> HDD to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs
> could be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb
> SATAIII's so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.
> 
> I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still
> choosing my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need
> for as many SATA ports is a must :)
> 
> Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very
> hard to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be
> very welcome :)

I just did a quick search on ebay australia for "socket 939
motherboard" and hit this

http://shop.ebay.com.au/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=socket+939+motherboard&_sacat=See-All-Categories

One of my computers is a Asus A8N-VM 939. It has 2 ports for SATA and
I added another SATA card into the PCI-E x1 slot. I found an AMD64x2
CPU on ebay that was reasonable nad have 4G of RAM. This is not the
latest or greatest but it is still a very functional computer.

I hope this helps.

Robert

P.S. I will be taking my first trip to AU in February and am quite
excited  about it.
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Rees]

On 23 December 2010 13:57, Da Rock
 wrote:
> On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote:
>>
>> On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
>>   wrote:
>> 
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
>>> thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth
>>> putting
>>> feelers out, though :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a
>> 939?
>>
>> Sorry you're not having much luck.
>>
>> If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
>> but that's better left to someone more local for you!
>>
>> Hope you get some results soon.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have been a
> local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then Semperon's were
> 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were AM2, but that was
> just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I believe. But again, that
> may have been local.

I think you're thinking of Socket 462. This might clear it up a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon64

Chris
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Whitehouse]

On 12/23/10 13:57, Da Rock wrote:


I've got wholesale contacts, but I was hoping to make use of this spare
chip and RAM floating about. Diff would be around $100, so only kinda
worth it.

It might be worth looking at Intel Atom processor boards or similar, 
there are plenty of very low power boards around now. If you can find 
something that suits you will recoup the cost of the new processor and 
RAM with much reduced electricity consumption, I believe around 10 times 
less.


There's been a few threads recently about low power boards. eg this thread
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=411819+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101128.freebsd-questions

suggests this board

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM/ICH9/X7SPE.cfm?typ=H&IPMI=Y
which looks like it covers what you want.

Chris
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

On 12/23/10 23:16, Chris Rees wrote:

On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
  wrote:

   

Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting
feelers out, though :)

 

Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939?

Sorry you're not having much luck.

If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
but that's better left to someone more local for you!

Hope you get some results soon.


   
Well thats from memory, and it is pretty old now I agree. Might have 
been a local thing then. As I remember it only the Athlon and then 
Semperon's were 754. The 64's and FX's were 939. The later Athlons were 
AM2, but that was just after I got this one, and they're the X2's I 
believe. But again, that may have been local.


I've got wholesale contacts, but I was hoping to make use of this spare 
chip and RAM floating about. Diff would be around $100, so only kinda 
worth it.


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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Rees]

On 23 December 2010 11:44, Da Rock
 wrote:

>
> Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but I
> thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth putting
> feelers out, though :)
>

Athlon64s can be 754, 939 or AM2. Perhaps you meant *your* Athlon64 is a 939?

Sorry you're not having much luck.

If I knew the Aussie market I'd help you to pick something comparable,
but that's better left to someone more local for you!

Hope you get some results soon.

Chris
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

On 12/23/10 21:36, Chris Rees wrote:

On 23 December 2010 08:23, Da Rock
  wrote:
   

I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU
into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too
:) ):

184 pin RAM DIMM
SataIII 4+ ports
Either onboard or AGP Video
2x Gigabit LAN

Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to
the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe
dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather
not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.

I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my
method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA
ports is a must :)

Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to
find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :)

Cheers
 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-K8N-AMD-Socket-754-AGP-SATA-nForce3-250-MB-EMS-/220703726350?pt=AU_Components&hash=item3362f79b0e#ht_5060wt_1138

I just searched for 754 SATA on ebay.com.au

You _are_ dreaming about the 4x SATA though IMO; I'd just get an expansion card.

Or get a cheap bundle with new MB/CPU; it's not always worth salvaging
an old CPU like that.

Chris
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Thanks, but Athlon64 is a 939. Yeah, it may not be worth salvaging, but 
I thought the cost might be less... I'm more than likely wrong. Worth 
putting feelers out, though :)


Cheers
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Re: AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Chris Rees]

On 23 December 2010 08:23, Da Rock
 wrote:
> I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU
> into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming too
> :) ):
>
> 184 pin RAM DIMM
> SataIII 4+ ports
> Either onboard or AGP Video
> 2x Gigabit LAN
>
> Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD to
> the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could be pipe
> dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's so I'd rather
> not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.
>
> I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing my
> method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many SATA
> ports is a must :)
>
> Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard to
> find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very welcome :)
>
> Cheers

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ASUS-K8N-AMD-Socket-754-AGP-SATA-nForce3-250-MB-EMS-/220703726350?pt=AU_Components&hash=item3362f79b0e#ht_5060wt_1138

I just searched for 754 SATA on ebay.com.au

You _are_ dreaming about the 4x SATA though IMO; I'd just get an expansion card.

Or get a cheap bundle with new MB/CPU; it's not always worth salvaging
an old CPU like that.

Chris
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AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU 
into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming 
too :) ):


184 pin RAM DIMM
SataIII 4+ ports
Either onboard or AGP Video
2x Gigabit LAN

Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD 
to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could 
be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's 
so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.


I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing 
my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many 
SATA ports is a must :)


Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard 
to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very 
welcome :)


Cheers
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AMD Athlon64 Mainboard - NOT SPAM: please check it out :)

[Da Rock]

I know its a little OT, but I'm hunting for a mainboard to plug this CPU 
into and build a file server. So the ideal specs are (and maybe dreaming 
too :) ):


184 pin RAM DIMM
SataIII 4+ ports
Either onboard or AGP Video
2x Gigabit LAN

Obviously I don't need much RAM, just juice the throughput from the HDD 
to the LAN, and plenty of bandwidth. That said a lot of my specs could 
be pipe dreaming, I know. I'm looking at 3x 2Tb Seagate 64Mb SATAIII's 
so I'd rather not waste it, I'm sure you'd agree.


I'll be setting up RAID5 in some fashion or other, just still choosing 
my method between ZFS and VINUM or something. So the need for as many 
SATA ports is a must :)


Any help finding a suitable model would be much appreciated- very hard 
to find anything still in stock. And of course advice will be very 
welcome :)


Cheers
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Bernt Hansson]

2010-12-16 19:59, Sven Skogen (List mail account):

On 16.12.2010 19:56, Bernt Hansson wrote:

2010-12-16 12:40, Michelle Konzack:

Hello *,

does someone get this kind of spam too?


No, nothing from the ip-range 69.170.128.0/24 is getting thru.


I actually have a very specific route, just for them, in my border gateway:

ip route 64.38.11.26 255.255.255.255 Null0


Aha. It's Layered Technologies, Inc. OK we block all ip assigned to them 
then.




Let's just say that I have ... views on incurable spammers.


So do we.


/BAH
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

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On 16.12.2010 19:56, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> 2010-12-16 12:40, Michelle Konzack:
>> Hello *,
>>
>> does someone get this kind of spam too?
> 
> No, nothing from the ip-range 69.170.128.0/24 is getting thru.

I actually have a very specific route, just for them, in my border gateway:

ip route 64.38.11.26 255.255.255.255 Null0

Let's just say that I have ... views on incurable spammers.

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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Bernt Hansson]

2010-12-16 12:40, Michelle Konzack:

Hello *,

does someone get this kind of spam too?


No, nothing from the ip-range 69.170.128.0/24 is getting thru.



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
 Michelle Konzack

- Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org -

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100
From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
To: Michelle Konzack
Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672

Dear Sir/Madam,
Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending
it to.
For more information on our business please click on the following
link:
[1]Click here for our website
We look forward to your continued business in the future.
Regards,
Webmaster

Verweise

1. http://www.xpbargains.net/

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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Jerry McAllister]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Hello *,
> 
> does someone get this kind of spam too?

Yes.  Lots of it from various lists and other paths.   
Just delete it.

jerry


> 
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> 
> - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org -
> 
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100
> From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> To: Michelle Konzack 
> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
> X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672
> 
>Dear Sir/Madam,
>Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending
>it to.
>For more information on our business please click on the following
>link:
>[1]Click here for our website
>We look forward to your continued business in the future.
>Regards,
>Webmaster
> 
> Verweise
> 
>1. http://www.xpbargains.net/
> 
> - End forwarded message -
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Ian Smith]

Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 341, Issue 6, Message: 27
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:44:09 + Bruce Cran  wrote:
 > On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:40:35 +0100
 > Michelle Konzack  wrote:
 > 
 > > does someone get this kind of spam too?
 > 
 > Yes, lots of people have been getting that for a few months.
 > parklogic claim there's not anything they can do about it despite it
 > apparently coming from their servers.

If you researched the mob running parklogic, I suspect you'd tend to 
give any claims they may make scant credence, to say the very least.

These forged messages were blocked inbound to the FreeBSD mailservers in 
August, but continue to be sent individually to participants harvested 
from messages posted to this list, and likely will continue to be.

Since this is becoming a FAQ:

To date all of these forged messages contain the following mail headers:

 > Return-Path: 
 > Received: from dusk.parklogic.com (allmail.0b2.net [64.38.11.26])

Having your mailserver refuse connections from IP address 64.38.11.26 or 
domain 0b2.net, or envelopes sent by parklogic.com, definitively solves 
this problem.  In sendmail /etc/mail/access syntax, use any or all of:

From:parklogic.com  REJECT
Connect:64.38.11.26 REJECT
Connect:0b2.net REJECT

For those without control over their inbound mailserver, try to block or 
filter mail based on those Return-Path: or Received: headers above, or 
on the Message-ID: header which has always contained 'parklogic.com':

 > Message-ID: <20101110202251.16589.qm...@dusk.parklogic.com>

And don't forget to wash your hands after flushing :)

cheers, Ian
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Phan Quoc Hien]

Yes, I'm too! Spam from the list!

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Michelle Konzack <
bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net> wrote:

> Hello *,
>
> does someone get this kind of spam too?
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
>Michelle Konzack
>
> - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org -
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100
> From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> To: Michelle Konzack 
> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
> X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672
>
>   Dear Sir/Madam,
>   Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending
>   it to.
>   For more information on our business please click on the following
>   link:
>   [1]Click here for our website
>   We look forward to your continued business in the future.
>   Regards,
>   Webmaster
>
> Verweise
>
>   1. http://www.xpbargains.net/
>
> - End forwarded message -
>
>
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Chris Brennan]

If you search the list for the last 2 weeks you will see some extensive
posting about it. Use my name and Ian as reference points in your search.
There are a few clues there to help you squash this issue. (Sorry for the
top-post).

-- Sent from my Droid

On Dec 16, 2010 6:40 AM, "Michelle Konzack" 
wrote:
> Hello *,
>
> does someone get this kind of spam too?
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
>
> - Forwarded message from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org -
>
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100
> From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> To: Michelle Konzack 
> Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
> X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
> Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending
> it to.
> For more information on our business please click on the following
> link:
> [1]Click here for our website
> We look forward to your continued business in the future.
> Regards,
> Webmaster
>
> Verweise
>
> 1. http://www.xpbargains.net/
>
> - End forwarded message -
>
>
>
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> 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17
> 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany
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> Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix
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Re: Spam with fake address from the list?

[Bruce Cran]

On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:40:35 +0100
Michelle Konzack  wrote:

> does someone get this kind of spam too?

Yes, lots of people have been getting that for a few months.
parklogic claim there's not anything they can do about it despite it
apparently coming from their servers.

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Spam with fake address from the list?

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello *,

does someone get this kind of spam too?

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:55:59 +1100
From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
To: Michelle Konzack 
Subject: Re: Why do you use a devil as a mascot?
X-TDMailSerialnumber: 10324672

   Dear Sir/Madam,
   Your email was unable reach the intended person that you were sending
   it to.
   For more information on our business please click on the following
   link:
   [1]Click here for our website
   We look forward to your continued business in the future.
   Regards,
   Webmaster

Verweise

   1. http://www.xpbargains.net/

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Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']

[Ian Smith]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:30:19 -0500, Chris Brennan wrote:
 > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bruce Cran  wrote:
 > 
 > > On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:41:48 -0500
 > > Chris Brennan  wrote:
 > >
 > > > Does GMail provide access to the full headers?
 > >
 > > Click the down arrow and select "Show original".
 > >
 > > --
 > > Bruce Cran
 > >
 > 
 > Awesome! Thanks Bruce. Now I can put what Ian provided to good use :D

Yeah good onya Bruce .. I was about to reply that mail headers was one 
area where gmail provided a little too much in the way of privacy for 
the message poster, ie headers don't reveal Chris' IP address on this.

Chris, could you mail me a copy of those full headers privately?  Still 
curious whether this skanky mob have shifted their operation somewhere.

cheers, Ian
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Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']

[Chris Brennan]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Bruce Cran  wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:41:48 -0500
> Chris Brennan  wrote:
>
> > Does GMail provide access to the full headers?
>
> Click the down arrow and select "Show original".
>
> --
> Bruce Cran
>

Awesome! Thanks Bruce. Now I can put what Ian provided to good use :D
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Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']

[Bruce Cran]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:41:48 -0500
Chris Brennan  wrote:

> Does GMail provide access to the full headers?

Click the down arrow and select "Show original".

-- 
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Re: xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']

[Chris Brennan]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ian Smith  wrote:

> In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 340, Issue 11, Message: 27
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:54:37 -0500
>  > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Paul B Mahol  wrote:
>
> No, he didn't.  These mails are FORGED as being from freebsd-questions
> participants, and on first glance may appear to be list postings.  They
> used to get posted to the list itself also, but postmaster@ blocked the
> nuisance source back in August.  However that doesn't stop them from
> targetting individual list participants, like you.
>
> If you examine the full mail headers, it's likely to have originated
> from the following IP address.  If so, you just need to block that
> address at your mailserver.  But if they've moved, we need to know ..
>
> Quoting from a message to postmaster@ in August:
>
>  > As Roland pointed out, the phishing/virus/whatever referral has switched
>  > from downwind.com.au to xpbargains.net, and possibly some others.
>  >
>  > Here's the business:
>  >
>  > % dig +short -x 64.38.11.26
>  > allmail.0b2.net.
>  > % dig +short allmail.0b2.net.
>  > 64.38.11.26
>  > % dig +short dusk.parklogic.com
>  > 64.38.11.26
>  >
>  > If you can discard by Message-ID then every one of these, including the
>  > privately mailed ones, has @dusk.parklogic.com there.
>  >
>  > If you can block by IP, then that's the one.  Or by hostname, every one
>  > so far has been relayed by allmail.0b2.net (that's a zero).
>
> So if the full headers reveal coming from that hostname or that IP or
> any other IP in 64.38.11.26/29, just block that and move on.
>
> If it's a different address range now, please provide the full headers
> for the message you received, with a copy to postmas...@freebsd.org
>
> Thanks, Ian  (please cc me on any reply, I take this list as a digest)
>

Of all the mail I got on this subject, yours was the most informative.
Thanks. But my question is this. Does GMail provide access to the full
headers? For example when I click 'Show Details' I see the following and not
much else

> fromPaul B Mahol 
> sender-timeSent at 4:30 AM (GMT+11:00). Current time there: 2:35 AM.
> toChris Brennan 
> ccFreeBSD-Questions , Mark 
> dateMon, Nov 8, 2010 at 4:30 AM
> subjectRe: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)'

The above header just arrived as I was typing this so I thought it an
excellent example. Obviously, I've masked addresses but the point is the
same, g-mail doesn't give much in the way of detail. Short of flagging one
item as spam has the potential risk of sending all FreeBSD-Questions mail to
the spam folder which is just a swirling vortex of nothingness that gets
deleted. If it's managed to get routed there, it stays there, I rarely go
digging for mail in my spam folder because I rarely find stuff that was sent
to detention without rightfully being there.

C-
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Re: THE SPAM WE GET [stop fretting and read]

[Jon Radel]

On 12/10/10 9:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

No, this list does not.

As I mentioned yesterday, this is an unmonitored, unnannyed list that accepts 
emails from addresses without checking authenticity... meaning I can post from 
4 emails (and I have) and not be subscribed on each address.

Spoofing email addresses has happened for years, and with this list's archives 
being publicly available online it's been happening for a while and will 
continue to happen until the rules may or may not be changed.

--
Ryan

If this discussion is about the same wave of spam I've been getting 
examples of in the last couple of days, it should be noted that the mail 
isn't coming via the mailing list at all.  Somebody is harvesting e-mail 
addresses and subject lines from a month or more ago and sending the 
spam directly.


Folks, you have to read the headers if you want to have a sensible 
discussion about specific instances of spam.  If you don't, you're 
simply sending yet more noise that's kinda sorta pretending to be signal.


My personal rule of thumb with spam is to assume that absolutely 
everything involved is a lie, this leading to a more accurate overall 
assessment than the naive thought that any of it might possible be true 
just because of some social contract.  After careful analysis, you 
*might* conclude that a few things actually are true, but that's 
different than assuming they are.  So, Subject: that look like they're 
from the FreeBSD mailing list: lie.  From: address that of somebody you 
discussed that topic with on the mailing list: lie.   Date:: lie.  All 
lies with one goal, to get you to click through on a URL that is *not* 
(another lie, get it?) in your self-interest to visit.


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j...@radel.com

THE SPAM WE GET [stop fretting and read]

[Ryan Coleman]

No, this list does not.

As I mentioned yesterday, this is an unmonitored, unnannyed list that accepts 
emails from addresses without checking authenticity... meaning I can post from 
4 emails (and I have) and not be subscribed on each address.

Spoofing email addresses has happened for years, and with this list's archives 
being publicly available online it's been happening for a while and will 
continue to happen until the rules may or may not be changed.

--
Ryan 

On Dec 10, 2010, at 8:41 AM, Chris Brennan wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:07 AM, Paul B Mahol  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/10/10, Chris Brennan  wrote:
>>> Umm... what's the dea w/ this? More spam?
>> 
>> Not my spam.
>> 
>> If you still think that I actually really send this to you I can not help
>> you.
>> 
> 
> Well no Paul, I wasn't blaming you directly, I I just noticed that a lot of
> mail last night had that message attached to it, even mail from me. By the
> time I realized that, I was too tired to care. But either way, I'm still
> curious, does this list generate that message?
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xpbargains.net spam [was: Re: 'Broadcom Wireless b/g (BCM4315/BCM22062000)']

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 340, Issue 11, Message: 27
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:54:37 -0500
 > On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Paul B Mahol  wrote:

No, he didn't.  These mails are FORGED as being from freebsd-questions 
participants, and on first glance may appear to be list postings.  They 
used to get posted to the list itself also, but postmaster@ blocked the 
nuisance source back in August.  However that doesn't stop them from 
targetting individual list participants, like you.

If you examine the full mail headers, it's likely to have originated 
from the following IP address.  If so, you just need to block that 
address at your mailserver.  But if they've moved, we need to know ..

Quoting from a message to postmaster@ in August:

 > As Roland pointed out, the phishing/virus/whatever referral has switched
 > from downwind.com.au to xpbargains.net, and possibly some others.
 >
 > Here's the business:
 >
 > % dig +short -x 64.38.11.26
 > allmail.0b2.net.
 > % dig +short allmail.0b2.net.
 > 64.38.11.26
 > % dig +short dusk.parklogic.com
 > 64.38.11.26
 >
 > If you can discard by Message-ID then every one of these, including the
 > privately mailed ones, has @dusk.parklogic.com there.
 > 
 > If you can block by IP, then that's the one.  Or by hostname, every one
 > so far has been relayed by allmail.0b2.net (that's a zero).

So if the full headers reveal coming from that hostname or that IP or 
any other IP in 64.38.11.26/29, just block that and move on.

If it's a different address range now, please provide the full headers 
for the message you received, with a copy to postmas...@freebsd.org

Thanks, Ian  (please cc me on any reply, I take this list as a digest)
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Re: My mail server flagged spam!

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Marwan Sultan  writes:

> Hello list..
>  
>   Well! im kinda lost here..
>   I have like 8 domains hosted in my server. FreeBSD 7.2R, (...)
>   I have few customers complaining that thier emails (...)
>   Anyhints please?

Well, i think you should move to Google Apps. It's very safe,
reliable. And several big guns use it. An example is below:

https://mail.google.com/a/berkeley.edu>

Sincerely,

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RE: My mail server flagged spam!

[Robert Bonomi]

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org  Sat Oct 23 17:45:25 2010
> From: Marwan Sultan 
> To: 
> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:46:40 +
> Cc: FreeBSD Questions 
> Subject: RE: My mail server flagged spam!
>
>
> Dear Dr. Matthew.=2C
> =20
>When my client or any clients uses the web mail that i have configured=
> =2C=20
>then everything works fine NO spam problems and email will be
>received by hotmail=2C gmail and vise versa.
> =20
>I found out that this particular client complaining because they use
>outlook express NOT the web mail.
> =20
>they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password
>with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing.
> =20
>   even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com
>   both are in same server=2C I will still receive it as SPAM.
>   (They are sending from outlook.)
> =20
>   looking at spam log=2C and why its scored as spam.. here is a copy.
> =20
> pts rule name  description=20
>  -- ---=
> ---=20
> 0.9 RCVD_IN_PBLRBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus PBL=20
>[95.66.68.100 listed in zen.spamhaus.org]=20
> 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message=20
> 0.0 BAYES_50   BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60%=20
>[score: 0.5019]=20
> 2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIOBODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO=20
> 0.1 RDNS_NONE  Delivered to trusted network by a host with no r=
> DNS=20
> 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MX   Delivered direct to MX with OE headers=20
> =20
> =20
> As you see 2.8 for DOS_OE_TO_MX
> and 2.2 for TVD_SPACE_RATIO
> =20
>  I have looked for DOS_OE_TO_MX
>  and it says because client is sending "directly" to MX records?
>  well! i asked them to use "mail.server_name.com" for income/outgoing
>  for outlook express..but still the same error and email is scored as spam.
> =20
>  Any help is highly appreciate it.


lots of stuff is mis-configured.

If you have people outside your network addresses trying to send mail 
through your server, you need to be running a 'mail submission agent'
on port 587, as well as the MTA on port 25.  If you're not doing this
already, you'll have to set it up.  Since this access is password
protected, and available only to your 'trusted' users, it does -not-
need spam-filtering on it. (usually, that is -- you know your customers
better than we do :)

*AND* the client using Outlook Express needs to configure _it_ to use your
server *on*port*587* as the 'outgoing mail server'.

This will require entering 'authentication' information (username and
password) into Outlook Express.


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Re: My mail server flagged spam!

[Chuck Swiger]

On Oct 24, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote:
[ ... ] 
>  Now to avoid the 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MXDelivered direct to MX with OE headers 
> error..
>  shall i add my domains MX records to local.cf as
>  trusted_networks mail.domain.com
>  or as
>  internal_networks mail.domain.com ?

Please see:

http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.3.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#network_test_options
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/TrustPath

"Why should trusted_networks and internal_networks ever be different?

A mail relay that you want to trust in trusted_networks may itself trust its 
own internal dynamic IP networks. You may trust them not to be a spam source 
but putting them into your internal_networks list would create a false positive 
because then those dynamic IPs would be searched for in the DUL lists. This is 
an example where the two lists need to be different."

If need be, also consider whitelist_from_rcvd (or maybe whitelist_auth if you 
implement SPF or DKIM).  I'm also told that something like:

  meta AUTHD_RELAY !__LAST_UNTRUSTED_RELAY_NO_AUTH 
  describe AUTHD_RELAY Message submission was via an authenticated user 
  score AUTHD_RELAY -10 

I believe there is even an optional patch in the spamass-milter port:

  
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/mail/spamass-milter/files/extra-patch-addauth?rev=1.2

...but it is probably better to just tweak the scoring a bit.  Or switch to 
using amavisd-new, which could allow greater flexibility also

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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