RE: JFS
Hi again! I'd like to see continuing cooperation amoung the various more or less open source Unixes and their clones. If anyone is capable and competent to port ReiserFS to FreeBSD, it would be Hans Reiser himself and his friends. Which is not at all stating or implying that UFS is not a very good FS. But what Robert says is simply a statement of fact. Experiencing one-on how quickly a JFS (e. g. Reiser) recovers is really impressive. Good night. Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS
Dave Uhring wrote: You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you then have to wait until fsck completes. And if you are lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. Actually ... according to the article, the system boots up and _then_ determines what needs done to repair the filesystem. Also, the lack of a need for fscking is not the only benefit of RieserFS. In fact, it's a _minor_ improvement. If your system is going down so often that the speed of a fsck is a major factor in the layout of the system, you've got other issues you need to address first! The other issues that might make Reiserfs a good idea (and a possible improvement over UFS) are the various improvements such as small file storage and large directory storage. I know that I'm interested in seeing performance comparisons with regard to these factors, and so far, I've seen none that compare ReiserFS to UFS/softupdates. My $.02 -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: make world fails in RELENG_4_3
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Chad R. Larson wrote: On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:05:06PM +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: Had exactly the same problem using RELENG_4 (choking on pod2man) and received a solution from Kent. My solution was to cd to the perl source directory, do a make install and then restart the install world. (snip) Kent's solution was to dig down in perl source directory all the way to pod2man and make it. Then restart installworld. It worked. Anyway, I posted the original not particularly because I needed help getting through the build, but because I thought someone with commit privileges would want to try to fix it. Well, let's hope a friendly committer is reading these postings and fixes the problem :-) . Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
make buildworld compile errors
Hi, Everytime I try to do a make buildworld it comes up with this error. c++ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/bool-array.cc c++ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc: In method `void Gen_Perf::change(List_Node *, List_Node *)': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc:268: Internal compiler error. /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc:268: Please submit a full bug report. /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/gen-perf.cc:268: See URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html for instructions. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Any help much appriciated. Iax _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dave Uhring wrote: I use logging on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, but the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. Hmmm... that's one reason I've not implemented ReiserFS on my Linux box. Read too many horror stories about how it eats your file system, and how it doesn't work with NFS etc. /OT -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: your mail
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Robert Banniza wrote:
I'm running 4.3-STABLE and I have Postfix working with Maildir as well as
with Courier-IMAP. However, I installed Pine from FreeBSD ports and it isn't
seeing my Maildir. I installed Pine by doing the following:
Have you tried:
inbox-path={your.host.name/user=robert}INBOX
in .pinerc?
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Regards,
Juha
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Re: JFS
- Original Message - From: Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: JFS Dave Uhring wrote: You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you then have to wait until fsck completes. And if you are lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. Actually ... according to the article, the system boots up and _then_ determines what needs done to repair the filesystem. Also, the lack of a need for fscking is not the only benefit of RieserFS. In fact, it's a _minor_ improvement. If your system is going down so often that the speed of a fsck is a major factor in the layout of the system, you've got other issues you need to address first! The other issues that might make Reiserfs a good idea (and a possible improvement over UFS) are the various improvements such as small file storage and large directory storage. I know that I'm interested in seeing performance comparisons with regard to these factors, and so far, I've seen none that compare ReiserFS to UFS/softupdates. My $.02 -Bill As I indicated, my experience with ReiserFS is limited. I have been using SGI's XFS for Linux for a short time and am quite pleased with its performance and filesystem integrity. If you have a spare system available, it's easy enough to try it out. http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/1.0_installer.html Also requires the 2 install CDs for RedHat-7.1. SGI's ftp site has a patch available to bring up XFS on Linux-2.4.5 kernel, also. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS
Juha Saarinen wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Dave Uhring wrote: I use logging on Solaris and XFS on Linux and have tried reiserfs on Linux. All are superior to UFS/softupdates when the going gets tough. Disk access times may or may not be comparable with UFS/softupdates, but the integrity of my filesystems is more important than raw speed. Hmmm... that's one reason I've not implemented ReiserFS on my Linux box. Read too many horror stories about how it eats your file system, and how it doesn't work with NFS etc. Absolutely false. Works perfectly... I have had it on several machines for about a year with absolutely no problems .. nada. On the other hand UFS/softupdates is pretty reliable itself albiet a little pokier. I haven't seen fsck in action for so long I almost forgot it existed. Reiserfs would be nice on FreeBSD though. IBM's JFS might be even better. -- Ted Sikora [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unixos2.org http://www.powerusersbbs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:50:21 +0200 (CEST) From: A. L. Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I know, ReiserFS is GPL. What would porting it to FreeBSD be better or worse than other (newer and less stable) alternatives? Is this a technical issue or are politics involved? AFAIK ReiserFS is a work in progress. There are some other established journaling FS's out there which might be candidates, ie the IBM one and one from SGI. -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
init hangs leaving single user mode
I built and installed world and kernel on tuesday (4 days ago). I am running -stable on a 4010cdt toshiba satellite. I have 2 PCCards: the Noteworthy 56k modem that comes with the machine, and a Kingston ethernet card. I do this: shutdown now and then exit My modem is on sio1 and my ethernet on ed0. As multi-user mode is starting, whichever card is in the system is bumped to the next higher device number, according to the kernel (bold print) message (sio1-sio2, ed0-ed1). In either case, the machine hangs after printing this line. These messages do not appear in any log because the machine locks while writing them. If I removed the cards, start multi-user mode, then re-insert them, everything works fine. I will happily provide any other info requested. Jonathon -- Microsoft complaining about the source license used by Linux is like the event horizon calling the kettle black. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
ReiserFS (was: JFS (was: The FreeBSD core team needs your help))
On Saturday, 7 July 2001 at 14:50:21 +0200, A. L. Meyers wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: On Friday, 6 July 2001 at 11:31:49 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 11:38:08 +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 12 June 2001 at 19:22:45 +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:09:58 +0100 Josef Karthauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:32:23AM -0700, Eric Parusel wrote: A journalling FS for those people who just hate waiting for a couple of TB of slow disks to fsck? Does ReiserFS work with FreeBSD? ? ? ? (big snip) Hey, guys and gals, did you forget this part of the original post? No, they didn't notice it, because the Subject: line was pointing elsewhere. Piggybacking new questions onto old topics doesn't work well unless you change the Subject: line. Just installed SuSE Linux 7.2 with Reiser FS throughout on an Intel SMP box. The FS purrs, even on /, which doesn't mean everything is better or worse than FBSD. I don't know enough about ReiserFS to be able to give a useful opinion. The Linux people I know are by no means in agreement about its merits, but I've heard that it's best as a special purpose FS for small files. I don't know how valid that statement is. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: JFS
On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 08:35:35PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: You seem to have missed the critical point of that paper. When the system goes completely haywire and either crashes or locks up so hard that a manual reset is required, UFS/softupdates requires a substantial amount of time to run fsck. If you have a very large filesystem, you then have to wait until fsck completes. And if you are lucky, it will not terminate with the suggestion that you run fsck by hand. With a true journalling filesystem this wait is obviated. The last transactions are rerun or truncated and the system boots up. Just to bring up a point, Softupdates will also avoid the long fsck at boot. If I understand the papers I have read and with playing with Softupdates on current, Softupdates leaves files system in a consistent state so that the file-system can be mounted after a crash/lockup/etc immediately and only a background fsck need be run to free up left over pieces laying around. You guys also might want to wonder over to Kirk's Softupdates site: http://www.McKusick.com/softdep/index.html DaveD To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Jail issues with -STABLE
Hi, [ FreeBSD host213-123-129-165.btopenworld.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #2: Sat Jul 7 16:47:57 BST 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/APOLLO i386 ] I've been attempting to create a jailed environment on my machine for testing purposes, however I seem to have hit some problems. Having followed the instructions laid down in the man page I have successfully created a jailed file structure in /usr/jail which I can get into using: # jail /usr/jail atlas 10.0.0.137 /bin/tcsh Problems start when I attempt to add an alias for my network card. As suggested in the man page I use the following line to setup the alias from inside the jail: # ifconfig vr0 inet alias 10.0.0.137 netmask 255.255.255.255 However this fails with the following return value: ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): permission denied However I am root inside the jail (observed with id(1)) so I do not fully understand why I would be denied this action. Also dmesg and top do not work, exiting with: kvm_open: short read top: kvm_read for _ccpu: Undefined error: 0 I'm assuming that this is because /kernel inside the jail is linked to /dev/null, but I wanted to make sure that this is normal behaviour... If anyone knows why I can't apply an alias to my card Id really appreciate it. Thanks Dominic Marks To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
Re: Jail issues with -STABLE
| Problems start when I attempt to add an alias for my network card. As | suggested in the man page I use the following line to setup the alias | from inside the jail: You need to add the alias outside the jail, and then you can start the jail and bind it on the aliased IP. Look at that section in the manpage again -- it shows you aliasing the IP address and then starting the jail. | fully understand why I would be denied this action. Also dmesg and top | do not work, exiting with: | | kvm_open: short read | top: kvm_read for _ccpu: Undefined error: 0 | | I'm assuming that this is because /kernel inside the jail is linked to | /dev/null, but I wanted to make sure that this is normal behaviour... Correct, this is normal behavior. -pete -- Pete Fritchman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Databits Network Services, Inc. http://databits.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-stable in the body of the message
