Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
According to Ullrich Franke on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 05:01:00PM +0200: We really should have a /bin/bikeshed. :-) /usr/bin/bikesched (now it begins anew :) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- robe...@keltia.net In memoriam to Ondine, our 2nd child: http://ondine.keltia.net/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ollivier Robert robe...@keltia.freenix.frwrote: According to Ullrich Franke on Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 05:01:00PM +0200: We really should have a /bin/bikeshed. :-) /usr/bin/bikesched Would schedulers get their own binary? Wouldn't it just be compiled into the kernel? Or are you proposing a modular scheduler using the bike algorithm? ;) -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 20:23:16 +0200 From: David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates Message-ID: 5249c194.8030...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 30.09.2013 15:50, Matthieu Volat wrote: Le 30 sept. 2013 ? 01:54, Ricardo Ferreira ricardo.ferre...@sotechdatacenter.com.br a ?crit : Em 29-09-2013 19:11, Charles Sprickman escreveu: On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org keep it cool u have others like: man chmod... BUGS There is no perm option for the naughty bits of a horse. and so many others. So... I find strange nobody mentioned the one in make :) % make love Not War. Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? Regards, David. We really should have a /bin/bikeshed. :-) -- Ullrich Franke ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Le 30 sept. 2013 à 01:54, Ricardo Ferreira ricardo.ferre...@sotechdatacenter.com.br a écrit : Em 29-09-2013 19:11, Charles Sprickman escreveu: On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org keep it cool u have others like: man chmod... BUGS There is no perm option for the naughty bits of a horse. and so many others. So... I find strange nobody mentioned the one in make :) % make love Not War. -- Mazhe signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 30/09/2013 14:50, Matthieu Volat wrote: Le 30 sept. 2013 à 01:54, Ricardo Ferreira ricardo.ferre...@sotechdatacenter.com.br a écrit : Em 29-09-2013 19:11, Charles Sprickman escreveu: On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org keep it cool u have others like: man chmod... BUGS There is no perm option for the naughty bits of a horse. and so many others. So... I find strange nobody mentioned the one in make :) % make love Not War. -- Mazhe Alas, not for much longer as bmake doesn't handle that target: root@build:/pseudosrc/misc # make love make: don't know how to make love. Stop ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 9/30/2013 10:12 AM, Joe Holden wrote: root@build:/pseudosrc/misc # make love make: don't know how to make love. Stop In this day and age, there is no excuse for not knowing how to make love. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 09/27/2013 15:06, David Demelier wrote: Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. Glad you aren't my dad, Grinch. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 30.09.2013 15:50, Matthieu Volat wrote: Le 30 sept. 2013 à 01:54, Ricardo Ferreira ricardo.ferre...@sotechdatacenter.com.br a écrit : Em 29-09-2013 19:11, Charles Sprickman escreveu: On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org keep it cool u have others like: man chmod... BUGS There is no perm option for the naughty bits of a horse. and so many others. So... I find strange nobody mentioned the one in make :) % make love Not War. Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? Regards, David. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 30, 2013, at 11:23 AM, David Demelier wrote: On 30.09.2013 15:50, Matthieu Volat wrote: Le 30 sept. 2013 à 01:54, Ricardo Ferreira ricardo.ferre...@sotechdatacenter.com.br a écrit : Em 29-09-2013 19:11, Charles Sprickman escreveu: On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org keep it cool u have others like: man chmod... BUGS There is no perm option for the naughty bits of a horse. and so many others. So... I find strange nobody mentioned the one in make :) % make love Not War. Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? Right, bmake gives us all the chance to implement love in our own unuque way ;D making love in each port can now be a different experience. OK OK, I digress. (Grinz) -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Le 30/09/2013 20:23, David Demelier a écrit : Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? Then (f)make makes love the way we want him to do ;° -- Florent Peterschmitt | Please: flor...@peterschmitt.fr| * Avoid HTML/RTF in E-mail. +33 (0)6 64 33 97 92 | * Send PDF for documents. http://florent.peterschmitt.fr | * Trim your quotations. Really. Proudly powered by Open Source | Thank you :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
My apologies for being rude the few days ago. I don't know what happened to me, I'm usually not naughty like that. Bapt who knows me IRL would also say that. My personal life is not at its best state currently and everything that upset me get me nervous and rude.. I've been using FreeBSD for 5 years and developed some patches / improvements which honoured an entry to the additional contributors and I don't really want my name to be removed :-). Seriously, I feel really embarrassed for what I've said.To really explain why I got angry like that (but that does not excuse my words) is the following situation: 1. I've first stambled accross the new boot graphical Nakatomi Socrates art. I've been afraid of being hacked or something gone wrong in the SVN branches. Fortunately, quickly, some of the developers told me that it was a joke / tribute for the 9.2 RELEASE, then I just said I would not recommend to set it as default but with very clean words. And then I disabled it using loader_logo=orb as they said. 2. More than one month later, I upgraded to 9.2-RELEASE and then I saw the Nakatomi Socrates version shown in the right bottom and that's why I first thought that it was reenabled again (even in orb logo, I didn't know the existence of loader_version before!). So that's why I felt so angry.. Nevertheless this does not excuse my behavior. I love FreeBSD and still hack, develop it and don't want to get in troubles with *you* so please agree to my apologies. PS: I'm not a dinosaur as you may have thought, I like the small jokes that you can see for example in the syscons screen savers, the jokes in the man pages and such. But these things are more hidden and you need some research to get them which provides more excitement when you see them, on the other hand the Nakatomi Socrates art / version were *for me* a bit too intense as you see them by default, without enabling something. Again, sorry for that noise. Love, regards. David. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:13 PM, David Demelier wrote: My apologies for being rude the few days ago. I don't know what happened to me, I'm usually not naughty like that. Bapt who knows me IRL would also say that. My personal life is not at its best state currently and everything that upset me get me nervous and rude.. I've been using FreeBSD for 5 years and developed some patches / improvements which honoured an entry to the additional contributors and I don't really want my name to be removed :-). Seriously, I feel really embarrassed for what I've said.To really explain why I got angry like that (but that does not excuse my words) is the following situation: 1. I've first stambled accross the new boot graphical Nakatomi Socrates art. I've been afraid of being hacked or something gone wrong in the SVN branches. Fortunately, quickly, some of the developers told me that it was a joke / tribute for the 9.2 RELEASE, then I just said I would not recommend to set it as default but with very clean words. And then I disabled it using loader_logo=orb as they said. 2. More than one month later, I upgraded to 9.2-RELEASE and then I saw the Nakatomi Socrates version shown in the right bottom and that's why I first thought that it was reenabled again (even in orb logo, I didn't know the existence of loader_version before!). So that's why I felt so angry.. Nevertheless this does not excuse my behavior. I love FreeBSD and still hack, develop it and don't want to get in troubles with *you* so please agree to my apologies. Smiles. Agreed and forgiven. In hindsight, it would be those who've added loader_logo=orb in the beginning that didn't notice that this is once-again default. You can remove it (keeping only the loader_version= entry). -- Devin PS: I'm not a dinosaur as you may have thought, I like the small jokes that you can see for example in the syscons screen savers, the jokes in the man pages and such. But these things are more hidden and you need some research to get them which provides more excitement when you see them, on the other hand the Nakatomi Socrates art / version were *for me* a bit too intense as you see them by default, without enabling something. Again, sorry for that noise. Love, regards. David. _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? Right, bmake gives us all the chance to implement love in our own unuque way ;D ^^ Is that halfway between eunuch and unique love ? Yes, it's off topic at this point, but heck, I think it's important to underline that humor doesn't have an absolute metric, and as long as it doesn't interfere with the functionality or the integrity of the OS, it has its place :) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 30, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? Right, bmake gives us all the chance to implement love in our own unuque way ;D ^^ Is that halfway between eunuch and unique love ? You got it ;D -- Devin Yes, it's off topic at this point, but heck, I think it's important to underline that humor doesn't have an absolute metric, and as long as it doesn't interfere with the functionality or the integrity of the OS, it has its place :) _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 9/30/2013 11:23 AM, David Demelier wrote: Nice, but how does it handle if a Makefile contains a love target? The easter egg only appears if the target isn't defined. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:57 PM, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, I don't understand why people waste time to create jokes like that instead of working on serious issues. You may think I'm putting to much significance on this kind of matter but I like (and I'm not the only one) serious, clean things. Says the port maintainer of nsnake. Get over yourself. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Teske, Devin devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote: I coded it. You are the wind beneath my wings. Thanks! ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Em 29-09-2013 19:11, Charles Sprickman escreveu: On Sep 29, 2013, at 3:28 PM, C. P. Ghost wrote: On 28.09.2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. Humor can even be etched in silicon, like e.g. on an IC created by Siemens: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/bunny.html Cisco too, besides weird Star Wars ROM messages, you have stuff like the BFR (Big F*cking Router, after Big F*cking Gun in Doom) screened on the PCB: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2_001 https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/BFR_2 I have no idea what Sluggo and Nancy are doing on this board: https://www.kumari.net/gallery/index.php/Technology/Networking/CIMG0988 Charles ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org keep it cool u have others like: man chmod... BUGS There is no perm option for the naughty bits of a horse. and so many others. So... ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Devin, I just want to say that I really liked the reference. I was teaching myself loader/forth and working on a version of it for my own amusement when I saw the commit. Please do continue to make these silly things in the future. I actually run FreeBSD in production and my boss loved it so much we actually have an official change-order ticket to preconfigure all of our production 9.2 systems to show the logo. A guy I work with slated a hack to show it at the login prompt as well. :) As for any of you who objected seriously: it's a joke, a tribute to one of the better cult action movies, and a nice bit of pre-release fun. While there are some Linux distros like RHEL where you can pay someone to listen to your pointless complaints, Devin doesn't get a cent to put up with your whingy little snit. In short, stuff it. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
28.09.2013 02:06, David Demelier пишет: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE (As I understand the case) The logo in question is (now) turned off... Otherwise: loader_logo=orb [*] in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) ... but if someone want to use it, add that[*] line to loader.conf... I have loader_logo=orb ... just what you have done... and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. ... and actually get! So it seems that you just misunderstood what Matthew had wrote. -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Teske, Devin (Devin.Teske) writes: If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And thanks, you got me chuckling - nice to see some humor once in a while. To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. And after 8 years of always serious coding on always serious projects has made me a dull boy. This little mini-project gave me something to work on that lifted my spirits. Been using it for 20, plan on using it for 20 more. Keep up the good work :) Come on... Let us have some fun every now and then. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/89296/what-does-the-windows-flag-in-the-linux-logo-of-kernel-3-11-mean Because when we do have fun... we often find ways of turning that functionality into something great (like the ability to use this for a custom boot screen in a fork or distro). Or for kiosk setups where the machine displays something informative on boot. Phil ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 28/09/2013 10:44, Boris Samorodov wrote: 28.09.2013 02:06, David Demelier пишет: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE (As I understand the case) The logo in question is (now) turned off... Otherwise: loader_logo=orb [*] in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) ... but if someone want to use it, add that[*] line to loader.conf... I have loader_logo=orb ... just what you have done... and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. ... and actually get! So it seems that you just misunderstood what Matthew had wrote. Actually, as Devin pointed out, I only had part of the answer. Setting 'loader_logo' will change the big ascii art graphic. The other bit is setting 'loader_version' which would suppress the 'Nakatomi Socrates' text along side it. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 28/09/2013 11:32, Phil Regnauld wrote: To the offended poster: read the last line of tunefs(8) - there's probably many more places you could use serious time looking for deviations from corporate correctnes. There used to be a function in the shutdown utility called die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog() which was actually the very last function call made by shutdown(8) on a normal system shutdown. I believe humourless corporate types were instrumental in having that function renamed to something bland a few years back. However, now it's back, as of r238968: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c?r1=235855r2=238968 This stuff comes and goes. Personally, I think the developers exhibiting a sense of humour and a spark of personality is the sort of thing that leads me to trust a lot more in a code base than their appearing as a horde of bland corporate drones. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:17:44 -0700 Alfred Perlstein alf...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9/27/13 7:14 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: Lighten up. Go outside, take a deep breath of fresh air. Move on. Life is too short for this. :) Agreed. When it stop being fun, then it will see a decline in participation. Hear, hear! Everybody should remember this! -- Torfinn Ingolfsen torfinn.ingolf...@getmail.no ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013, Ben Morrow wrote: Quoth David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com: I personally think (but you may totally disagree with) that an operating system *is* an operating system. And I really hate easter eggs or anything else not serious being integrated into the system. I think about a new user installing FreeBSD 9.2, I would not imagine his reaction front of this kind of tribute or whatever you call that. For me it stands for that's not serious, it looks like a toy. Personally I thoroughly approve of a joke every now and then, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. The problem with humor is that it's subjective. Think of a joke that lots of people found funny, but you did not. Now put that same joke somewhere you will be forced to see it and be reminded of it often. After a short time, it's not just unfunny, it's irritating. Or, as someone once put it, there's a fine line between clever and stupid. So this kind of thing should be easily disabled. There should also be some warning, so when people see a vastly different boot screen, their first thought is not was I hacked?. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
This thread has wonderful bike shed potential. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-2-PRE-switch-off-that-stupid-Nakatomi-Socrates-tp5845622p5847358.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. Named Releases is far from a joke. Maybe you'd like something a bit more boring like 9.2-RELEASE The fact is... there is (and only ever will be) one iteration of FreeBSD 9.2. I assume that you have had no clue up until this point that there was yet another BSD 9.2. A fictitious version of BSD in a 1980's film, named... Nakatomi Socrates Yeah, we could have decided to let the opportunity pass; to show that we're the first BSD to ever hit 9.2 out of all the flavors, producing the first ever non-fictitious BSD 9.2... But where would the fun be in that? Rest assured... I've not seen *any* hollywood films with a number higher than 9.2... so our future looks pretty darn boring. The name for 10.0-RELEASE could very well be NULL or boring ol' 10.0-RELEASE I nominate HAL 2000 for 10-RELEASE Of course it would need to be bold red blinking text. maybe using an ASCII escape sequence for those not using Graphics Mode? -- sorry. I couldn't resist. :P --Chris But one thing is clear. There is a real tangible benefit to seeing the version on the boot screen. As we move to integrate BE's into the Forth boot screen, it may become paramount to know what version of loader(8) you're using. So please try not to be so judge-mental about these things. This is a real tangible improvement and simply because you've heard that those crazy people in Linux-land are naming their releases... That had zero bearing on why we did it. We may never name another release ever again. I personally would like to see loader(8) set the value to include an SVN revision so that everytime you rebuild loader(8), the version info updates; displayed prominently in the bottom right corner (which of course... you'll again be free to override it if you don't like it... just as you are free to completely disable the entire menu by adding beastie_disable=YES to loader.conf(8)). -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Jakub Lach jakub_l...@mailplus.pl wrote: This thread has wonderful bike shed potential. Potential? I think we passed potential at least 6 messages into this thread. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. It's really pisses me off *now*. I already said it was okay to add a new logo for that stupid joke. But now, I have orb set and I still see that in my bootloader. How can I disable this forever ?! Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. David. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. I already responded to this once. loader_version= See version.4th(8). It's really pisses me off *now*. Why *now*? I already answered this... (link to archives below) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-September/075260.html If you say that you tried this and it didn't work, then by all means... come back (pissed off or not) and we'll debug the situation. The person that recommended loader_logo was incorrectly thinking you were talking about the ARTWORK that you get by default in RC1-RC3 which is now non-default (requiring loader_logo=tribute to enable beyond RC3). The named releases however are staying enabled by default. And as I answered in the archives... loader_version=whatever you want to name your release or loader_version= is how you customize the text which seems to piss you off so much. I already said it was okay to add a new logo for that stupid joke. But now, I have orb set and I still see that in my bootloader. How can I disable this forever ?! http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-September/075260.html Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. Uh... I'm ignoring that. -- Devin P.S. You're not winning any friends here. We answered your question and you came back hostile. _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. Named Releases is far from a joke. Maybe you'd like something a bit more boring like 9.2-RELEASE The fact is... there is (and only ever will be) one iteration of FreeBSD 9.2. I assume that you have had no clue up until this point that there was yet another BSD 9.2. A fictitious version of BSD in a 1980's film, named... Nakatomi Socrates Yeah, we could have decided to let the opportunity pass; to show that we're the first BSD to ever hit 9.2 out of all the flavors, producing the first ever non-fictitious BSD 9.2... But where would the fun be in that? Rest assured... I've not seen *any* hollywood films with a number higher than 9.2... so our future looks pretty darn boring. The name for 10.0-RELEASE could very well be NULL or boring ol' 10.0-RELEASE But one thing is clear. There is a real tangible benefit to seeing the version on the boot screen. As we move to integrate BE's into the Forth boot screen, it may become paramount to know what version of loader(8) you're using. So please try not to be so judge-mental about these things. This is a real tangible improvement and simply because you've heard that those crazy people in Linux-land are naming their releases... That had zero bearing on why we did it. We may never name another release ever again. I personally would like to see loader(8) set the value to include an SVN revision so that everytime you rebuild loader(8), the version info updates; displayed prominently in the bottom right corner (which of course... you'll again be free to override it if you don't like it... just as you are free to completely disable the entire menu by adding beastie_disable=YES to loader.conf(8)). -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 28.09.2013 00:12, Teske, Devin wrote: On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. I already responded to this once. loader_version= See version.4th(8). It's really pisses me off *now*. Why *now*? I already answered this... (link to archives below) http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-September/075260.html If you say that you tried this and it didn't work, then by all means... come back (pissed off or not) and we'll debug the situation. I already asked a few weeks ago what was this strange artwork on my boot loader and I was told to use loader_logo to completely disable it. I've first said that it's funny but I would not recommend to enable it by default because it's really not serious and the artwork was really immature in the scope of the FreeBSD project. Then I was happy because I get my orb as usual. And today, I've updated to 9.2-RELEASE SVN tag and saw there was again a message about this stupid Nakatomi Socrates version in green. So I needed to check again *why* this has been enabled by default and that's why it was starting to get my nerves. I personally think (but you may totally disagree with) that an operating system *is* an operating system. And I really hate easter eggs or anything else not serious being integrated into the system. I think about a new user installing FreeBSD 9.2, I would not imagine his reaction front of this kind of tribute or whatever you call that. For me it stands for that's not serious, it looks like a toy. Fortunately now it's just a version but I would really not imagine when the screen was looking with the tribute loader_logo. Seriously, I don't understand why people waste time to create jokes like that instead of working on serious issues. You may think I'm putting to much significance on this kind of matter but I like (and I'm not the only one) serious, clean things. And the real reason that made me yell like that was that I needed to ask / complain a second time to remove that tribute thing again. The person that recommended loader_logo was incorrectly thinking you were talking about the ARTWORK that you get by default in RC1-RC3 which is now non-default (requiring loader_logo=tribute to enable beyond RC3). The named releases however are staying enabled by default. And as I answered in the archives... loader_version=whatever you want to name your release or loader_version= is how you customize the text which seems to piss you off so much. Thanks. I already said it was okay to add a new logo for that stupid joke. But now, I have orb set and I still see that in my bootloader. How can I disable this forever ?! http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-September/075260.html Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. Uh... I'm ignoring that. Check again in the lists, I'm not the only one complaining on that. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 28.09.2013 00:32, Teske, Devin wrote: On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. Named Releases is far from a joke. Maybe you'd like something a bit more boring like 9.2-RELEASE The fact is... there is (and only ever will be) one iteration of FreeBSD 9.2. I assume that you have had no clue up until this point that there was yet another BSD 9.2. A fictitious version of BSD in a 1980's film, named... Nakatomi Socrates Yes I know that, I've already seen the image a lot a few weeks ago. Yeah, we could have decided to let the opportunity pass; to show that we're the first BSD to ever hit 9.2 out of all the flavors, producing the first ever non-fictitious BSD 9.2... But where would the fun be in that? FreeBSD is not Linux, I (and again, I'm not the only one) thought the idea of naming Linux 3.11 Linux for workgroups very stupid. In the Linux world we like to add funny messages / easter eggs directly in the kernel source, but I think this silly and not serious. So I don't really want to bring these Linux manners into our FreeBSD world. Rest assured... I've not seen *any* hollywood films with a number higher than 9.2... so our future looks pretty darn boring. The name for 10.0-RELEASE could very well be NULL or boring ol' 10.0-RELEASE But one thing is clear. There is a real tangible benefit to seeing the version on the boot screen. As we move to integrate BE's into the Forth boot screen, it may become paramount to know what version of loader(8) you're using. So please try not to be so judge-mental about these things. This is a real tangible improvement and simply because you've heard that those crazy people in Linux-land are naming their releases... That had zero bearing on why we did it. We may never name another release ever again. I personally would like to see loader(8) set the value to include an SVN revision so that everytime you rebuild loader(8), the version info updates; displayed prominently in the bottom right corner (which of course... you'll again be free to override it if you don't like it... just as you are free to completely disable the entire menu by adding beastie_disable=YES to loader.conf(8)). ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM, David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com wrote: I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. I know that you're passionate about this topic, but if you could drop the subjective parts and focus on the facts, that would be more constructive. Seriously, I don't understand why people waste time to create jokes like that instead of working on serious issues. Because we're not robots. We need to occasionally shift gears to avoid burning out. Taking a break to do something playful can actually improve overall productivity. Especially if you're pushing hard to get a world-class OS out the door in your copious free time. Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. I actually thought that it was pretty cool. It may have needed an easier off switch, but I think that it was harmless. Check again in the lists, I'm not the only one complaining on that. This depends on which lists. I'm not the only one who thought it was cool. People were passing it around and appreciating the reference. I'm honestly mystified by the backlash on this. Did people panic because they thought they'd been hacked? If so, future logo humor could be adjusted to account for this. I understand leaving out true code-based easter eggs, to keep code clean and simple. But this was a humorous logo change for an alpha release. It seems harmless to me. Royce ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:57 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 28.09.2013 00:12, Teske, Devin wrote: On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Demelier wrote: On 21.09.2013 12:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew Hi, I have loader_logo=orb and I still have a message at the right bottom with that stupid joke. I already responded to this once. loader_version= See version.4th(8). It's really pisses me off *now*. Why *now*? I already answered this... (link to archives below) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2013-September/075260.htmlk=%2FbkpAUdJWZuiTILCq%2FFnQg%3D%3D%0Ar=LTzUWWrRnz2iN3PtHDubWRSAh9itVJ%2BMUcNBCQ4tyeo%3D%0Am=z7tFMIIWxpbu4NUJ6O%2BFBM29y7x%2BpF%2Bsj9kfA1f0JxU%3D%0As=f2e6eb61a04c40db454a365487d050393168dfb0d53318972e79c38283de3a50 If you say that you tried this and it didn't work, then by all means... come back (pissed off or not) and we'll debug the situation. I already asked a few weeks ago what was this strange artwork on my boot loader and I was told to use loader_logo to completely disable it. I've first said that it's funny but I would not recommend to enable it by default because it's really not serious and the artwork was really immature in the scope of the FreeBSD project. Then I was happy because I get my orb as usual. And today, I've updated to 9.2-RELEASE SVN tag and saw there was again a message about this stupid Nakatomi Socrates version in green. So I needed to check again *why* this has been enabled by default and that's why it was starting to get my nerves. The artwork and the name are separate. The artwork is an RC/Beta easter-egg that disappears at release time. The ability to display a loader_version however stays. I personally think (but you may totally disagree with) that an operating system *is* an operating system. And I really hate easter eggs or anything else not serious being integrated into the system. I think about a new user installing FreeBSD 9.2, I would not imagine his reaction front of this kind of tribute or whatever you call that. For me it stands for that's not serious, it looks like a toy. Only people downloading an RC or a BETA will see the artwork. This very well could: 1. Drive more people to test RC/BETA cycles 2. Not be an impact to anybody because serious people don't deploy RC or BETA builds to an enterprise. 3. It makes it very clear when you're using an RC or a BETA versus final Fortunately now it's just a version but I would really not imagine when the screen was looking with the tribute loader_logo. Some folks have told me that they've permanently enabled the artwork. Not everybody that uses FreeBSD uses it in a corporate setting. Naturally, those in a corporate setting will be thankful that final releases won't ever enable a tribute artwork by-default. Seriously, I don't understand why people waste time to create jokes like that instead of working on serious issues. Actually... I flip that on its head. If you work seriously on serious issues long enough... you'll become burned- out. Let me just come right out and say it... I coded it. And after 8 years of always serious coding on always serious projects has made me a dull boy. This little mini-project gave me something to work on that lifted my spirits. You may think I'm putting to much significance on this kind of matter but I like (and I'm not the only one) serious, clean things. Well, maybe the middle ground is that the code is a seriously clean thing. It may not be serious but it is indeed seriously clean. Cleanliness allows you to add two lines to loader.conf(5) to kill it: loader_logo=orb loader_version= But if you look closer, you'll see that it's really designed to give you or anybody else a way to brand the OS. PC-BSD changes brand.4th(8) So does NuOS -- self-purported FreeBSD Distro (not fork, distro) At $work, we change beastie.4th(8) and brand.4th(8) The tribute -- disabled by default -- could be yet another entry-point for corporate customers to brand their boxen for customers. Example? Leaving brand.4th(8) alone and just adding a set of tribute functions to produce the custom boot screen if-and-ony-if loader_logo=tribute. If NuOS had done that... I think it would have been a bit more professional looking because a tribute screen can completely re-position elements of the screen whereas they only changed the orb artwork and left everything else the same. So...
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 09/28/2013 08:06, David Demelier wrote: [..] Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. I beg to differ. cheers, gja ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
Quoth David Demelier demelier.da...@gmail.com: I personally think (but you may totally disagree with) that an operating system *is* an operating system. And I really hate easter eggs or anything else not serious being integrated into the system. I think about a new user installing FreeBSD 9.2, I would not imagine his reaction front of this kind of tribute or whatever you call that. For me it stands for that's not serious, it looks like a toy. Personally I thoroughly approve of a joke every now and then, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. It reassures me there are actual human people working on this who care about what they're doing, rather than some faceless humourless corporation only interested in profit margins. This in turn reassures me that standards will be kept high and bugs will be taken seriously, because that's what people who care do. Fortunately now it's just a version but I would really not imagine when the screen was looking with the tribute loader_logo. While I like the idea of release names in general, I think it's important not to make them more prominent than the real version numbers. I've had to deal with Ubuntu users (I know very little about Ubuntu) in other open-source contexts, and they tend to talk about 'hardy heron' or 'constipated koala' or what-have-you, which just leaves me thinking 'yes, but which is *more recent*?'. So I might rather the default version string was something more like 'FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE (Nakatomi Socrates)'. Ben ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 27, 2013 5:05 PM, grenville armitage garmit...@swin.edu.au wrote: On 09/28/2013 08:06, David Demelier wrote: [..] Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. I beg to differ. I know it's not a poll, but myself and the 5 people in my office all thought it was awesome, and will be leaving it enabled for as long as 9.2 is installed on our servers. That definitely puts it above nobody liked it. Lighten up. Go outside, take a deep breath of fresh air. Move on. Life is too short for this. :) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 9/27/13 7:14 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: On Sep 27, 2013 5:05 PM, grenville armitage garmit...@swin.edu.au wrote: On 09/28/2013 08:06, David Demelier wrote: [..] Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. I beg to differ. I know it's not a poll, but myself and the 5 people in my office all thought it was awesome, and will be leaving it enabled for as long as 9.2 is installed on our servers. That definitely puts it above nobody liked it. Lighten up. Go outside, take a deep breath of fresh air. Move on. Life is too short for this. :) Agreed. When it stop being fun, then it will see a decline in participation. -Alfred ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 28/09/2013 12:17 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: On 9/27/13 7:14 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: On Sep 27, 2013 5:05 PM, grenville armitage garmit...@swin.edu.au wrote: On 09/28/2013 08:06, David Demelier wrote: [..] Also in the future you can just forgot that crappy ideas as you can see, nobody liked it. I beg to differ. I know it's not a poll, but myself and the 5 people in my office all thought it was awesome, and will be leaving it enabled for as long as 9.2 is installed on our servers. That definitely puts it above nobody liked it. Lighten up. Go outside, take a deep breath of fresh air. Move on. Life is too short for this. :) Agreed. When it stop being fun, then it will see a decline in participation. -Alfred ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Both of you have it *right* on the money :) A more discerning question is *why* you thought it was awesome. Poeple might think its obvious, but the answer is *not* a cool logo, nor any Nakatomi reference. The real answer is deeper than that, and goes to the heart of why we feel affinities toward one individual, group, organisation or another. The purpose is entirely non-technical, and *precisely* to be active in honing FreeBSD's brand identity, personality and culture moving forward. If the outcomes are a perception of a community that is approachable and lighthearted, and encouraging participation, so much the better. To those who read this thread, ask yourself first: What message do YOU want to communicate to the world about who we are? Now make your decisions follow from that :) -- Kubilay koobs Kocak ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 21.09.2013 12:31, O. Hartmann wrote: Hello, I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? Thanks, oh Yes, I've already said a few weeks ago that it should not be default as it's really not serious for a system like FreeBSD, I'm happy that it has been removed just before 9.2-RELEASE. Cheers, David ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
FWIW, I've meant tribute not orb. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-2-PRE-switch-off-that-stupid-Nakatomi-Socrates-tp5845622p5845814.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
On Sep 21, 2013, at 3:40 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 21/09/2013 11:31, O. Hartmann wrote: I'd like to switch off this silly Nakatomi Socrates message which reminds me on Linux and their childish naming schemes. It is only cosmetics, but it bothers me whenever I switch on the laptop. I guess there is a switch already prsent to have in the bootloader config? It's turned off by default in more recent 9.2-STABLE Otherwise: loader_logo=orb in /boot/loader.conf -- see loader.conf(5) Maybe he meant the name associated with named-releases now. To kill that, put into loader.conf(5): loader_version= See version.4th(8) for additional details. -- Devin _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 9.2-PRE: switch off that stupid Nakatomi Socrates
To be honest, I had my They did whaaat? moment when I initially saw booting after that update, nonetheless when I've got reference I decided that it was all in good spirit and appropriate even... I was definitely disappointed that it was backed down in the end. Now I have orb manually set up though. P.S. Last developer that I spoke with, was genuinely surprised that FreeBSD is still updated... I think that once in a while it's good to show (off) that FreeBSD is not stagnant, even if it's in silly way. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-2-PRE-switch-off-that-stupid-Nakatomi-Socrates-tp5845622p5845696.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
