Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

[Mr. Paul]

Hi Blake and Winter,

Sorry for a slow reply.
Thank you for plenty of info and some very good points.
I personally think that having number of muskets and horses displayed is not a 
cheat. It was present in the original Colonization, which was pretty balanced.
If we know the military strength of nations in Foreign Advisor, then knowing 
the strength of Indian nations would be something similar. Actually knowing the 
muskets and horses number is even less info than military strength.
It is also historically accurate, the colonists met the natives all the time, 
seen the settlements. It was quite easy to see the relative amount of 
weapons/horses in the settlement or present at the individual. And of course, 
they were spies, informants, etc.
It’s just my opinion.

Thank you,
Pavel

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:56 AM, D Blakeley  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for being rather slow to reply on this Pavel & Winter.. had a rough 
> month personally and haven't been on computer as much!
> 
> Hmm interesting to hear the horse/weapon indian advisor stats has already 
> been discussed in the past and it went that way Winter! However I think 
> people need to tread carefully when dismissing features of the original 
> Colonization game (cheating or not) as you instantly alienate potential fans 
> looking for that feature's continuation. However if some FreeCol devs felt 
> Col1 feature was a cheat not worthy of being in the main FreeCol game there 
> there's nothing stopping Pavel from still making it and us just including it 
> as a 3rd party mod right? He could call it the "Extended Indian Advisor mod" 
> or "Indian weapon horse stats mod" or something else haha. I know I'll 
> certainly use it in my games!
> 
> Pavel, Mike got back to me on this a while back in a private convo and he 
> reckons it shouldn't be too hard a job. So here's some useful info he gave if 
> you still want to have a go at it:
> "OK, if it is at the advisor level we are not giving too much away.  I had
> a quick look at the code, and it should be a straightforward extension to
> ReportIndianPanel after adding fields to NationSummary and filling them in
> NationSummaryMessage."
> 
> If you do go ahead please keep us up to date in the forums! If you get it 
> working and release your files there we can then include the files in the 
> main FreeCol download in the 3rd party mods section. :)
> 
> If you go into your FreeCol install folder, open the data folder you'll see a 
> mods folder. In there is a whole bunch of existing third party mods people 
> have made that usually involved something really cool but didn't quite fit in 
> the main game so they stayed as a 3rd party mods that can be activated from 
> the game's main menu. Have a look at some of them to get an idea of their 
> structure (usually a mirror of something in the main game's resource folder 
> but with some custom changes that the game will load instead of the original 
> files if you activate the mod) and config files. Good luck! :)
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Blake
> 
> On Sunday, 9 August 2020, 02:17:27 am ACST,  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I remember this being asked a few years ago already.
> IIRC the discussion back then got to, that knowing such numbers is basically 
> a cheat (same as knowing settlement defenders, which is also intentionally 
> not possible, even though Col1 had it). Then there had been the suggestion to 
> only have a yes/no icon in advisor for when you gave the horses/guns yourself 
> or you saw a unit using them, but noone cared to implement that 
> non-cheat-version, because it was not giving enough cheat-like information 
> for the person to bother.
> As for 2: I guess, there had been a reason to have it like it is (maybe less 
> menu clutter), but that is from before the time I was interested in FreeCol. 
> I do not know, if it would help to have that and more people would like that?
> As said, 3 is already there. It might not be in Colopedia, as it would be a 
> game spoiler?
>  
> Greetings
>  
> wintertime
>  
>  
> Gesendet: Samstag, 08. August 2020 um 10:42 Uhr
> Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" 
> 
> An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, "Michael T. Pope" 
> 
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content 
> Writing
>  
> In Col1 the tribe weapon/horse stats were on the Indian Advisor screen. 
> Here's a picture of what it looked like.
>  
> https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Indians_(Col)?file=Indian_report_%28Col%29.png
>  
> 
>  
> Was useful but far from perfect. Others can correct me on this as I'm going 
> by memory here but I'm pretty sure figures were rounded down to groups of 50 
> so if a tribe had 178 muskets it would display 150. 127 horses would be "2 
> herds" of 50. Personally I'd rather just a flat out true number and nothing 
> fancy like they did lol! Once again others can correct me on this but I was 
> never 

Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

[Mr. Paul]

Hi Blake,

Thank you so much for your response and encouragement!
I am wondering if the first steps I should do in order to contribute for 
development are stated here?
http://www.freecol.org/news/first-steps-for-contributing-to-freecol-website.html
 
<http://www.freecol.org/news/first-steps-for-contributing-to-freecol-website.html>

Does the instructions for Mac similar to the ones for Linux?

Also, should I become a member to make posts easier to
freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net 
<mailto:freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
?

Thanks again,
Pavel



> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:19 AM, D Blakeley  wrote:
> 
> 1) I missed this one big time in my super game a year or 2 ago. I'm big on 
> trading weapons with all the tribes and turning them into mercenary forces to 
> harass other European powers in all my Col games. Knowing the tribe weapon & 
> horse supply levels like in Col1 would have been useful but I forgot to add 
> it to the suggestions/wishlist area back back when I gave the guys feedback. 
> So I like this idea!
> 
> 3) They exist.. admittedly it took a lot longer for them to appear in FreeCol 
> then they did in Col1 but after drenching the tribes in weapons and horses I 
> had armed braves and armed mounted brave units hoping about the map just 
> fine, but not many per tribe. Maybe their old basic brave units need to be 
> killed off before they considering building armed and mounted versions.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 6 August 2020, 07:40:53 am ACST, Mr. Pavel Koterniak 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi wintertime,
> 
> Thank you for your response.
> I was thinking of adding the following functionalities to be closer to 
> Colonization 1:
> 
> (In regards to Indians and Indian Report)
> 1) Add the amount (number) of muskets and horse herds each tribe has.
> 2) Keeping all the tribes in the report even though they are extinct.
> 3) I looked through the variety of units and didn't see Warriors (Braves 
> armed with muskets), Mounted Braves or Mounted Warriors.
> 
> I am wondering if these functionalities are possible with the current engine?
> 
> Thank you,
> Pavel
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 6:13 PM , mailto:win...@genial.ms>> 
> wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> sorry I did not answer earlier. It is because Mike knows better about current 
> tasks, but since he got a long todo list he also seems to not having had time 
> until now for this.
>  
> As this is a volunteer preject, you are free to choose any task you would 
> like. You could find some on the bugtrackers and on the feature tracker:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/bugs/ 
> <https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/bugs/>
> https://github.com/freecol/freecol/issues 
> <https://github.com/freecol/freecol/issues>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/pending-features-for-freecol/ 
> <https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/pending-features-for-freecol/>
> If it is a bug you'd like to fix, just comment in the ticket that you start 
> working on it and then make a pull request.
> If it is a feature, some other change for any new idea you got or anything 
> bigger, it would be a good idea for you to ask beforehand for advice. It is 
> also safer to ask if it is a useful change beforehand, so as not to be 
> surprised if there is some reason such a change could not be merged or if 
> some other approach to it could be better.
>  
> Welcome and hf
>  
> wintertime
>  
>  
>  
> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juli 2020 um 11:48 Uhr
> Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" 
>  <mailto:freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net 
> <mailto:freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>, "Mr. Paul" 
> mailto:teachermr...@gmail.com>>
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content 
> Writing
>  
> Welcome to the team Pavel! You are most welcome!
>  
> I'm not part of the programming team (I help out more with 'customer service' 
> and social media lol) but hopefully Michael or Winter can get back to you in 
> the days to come with their thoughts on the best ways new programming talent 
> can help out. If I had to guess though they'll probably give you some info on 
> the programming and software they use and then tell you to take a look at the 
> bug ticket area lol!
>  
> Regards
>  
> Blake
>  
> On Friday, 24 July 2020, 06:55:53 pm ACST, Mr. Paul  <mailto:teachermr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi FreeCol Developers’ Team,
>  
> I am currently a Computer Science student with focus on Java programming. I 
> am also a huge fan of original Colonization and FreeCol.
> I am excited to have a chance to contribute for the programming part (bug 
> fixes, new functionality) and historical content writing (I am big gan of 
> history!).
>  
> Please let me know how would be the best to help.
>  
> Thanks,
> Pavel
>  
>  

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[Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

[Mr. Paul]

Hi FreeCol Developers’ Team,

I am currently a Computer Science student with focus on Java programming. I am 
also a huge fan of original Colonization and FreeCol.
I am excited to have a chance to contribute for the programming part (bug 
fixes, new functionality) and historical content writing (I am big gan of 
history!).

Please let me know how would be the best to help.

Thanks,
Pavel

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