Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

[Louis Santillan]

RHV is based on oVirt which is based on KVM plus qemu & libvirt & lots of
other bits. It’ll run DOS but you might have jump through hoops (learn
virsh and other tools) to get it installed.

BHyve, at least as in TrueNAS Core and OSX/Mac OS before M1 will also run
DOS.

I think it’s at least worth documenting DOS on TrueNAS Core, TrueNAS Scale,
Proxmox, Unraid, Linux+Cockpit (which should look like KVM) and maybe
Xen/XCP-NG as well as popular x86 emulators for RPi if feasible.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 7:07 PM Bret Johnson  wrote:

> > But if a game is known to *not* work at all on VirtualBox (for
> > example) I recommend we discuss removing it.
>
> This brings up a slightly different topic, so maybe deserves its own
> thread, but I'll bring it up here.
>
> I've been working on some updates to the ISLOADED program I sent to Jim a
> few weeks ago.  Lately I have been specifically trying to add the detection
> of different Virtual Machines (including VirtualBox) to ISLOADED.  It turns
> out that there are a BUNCH of VMs out there that I've gotten to work with
> DOS:
>
>   86Box
>   Bochs
>   DOSBox
>   DOSBox-X
>   DOSEmu / DOSEmu2
>   Hyper-V
>   JPC
>   KVM
>   Parallels
>   PCem
>   QEMU
>   vDOS
>   VirtualBox
>   VirtualPC (Connectix)
>   VirtualPC (Microsoft)
>   VMWare
>
> There are probably others as well, but those are the ones I've managed to
> successfully build test environments for.  They all have their own
> individual quirks and idiosyncrasies and advantages.  A lot of times the
> open-source ones also "borrow" code from each other (for example, JPC
> "borrows" part of its BIOS from Bochs).
>
> There are also a few other VMs out there that I'm not sure will run DOS
> (the documentation is unclear and I haven't been able to install or test
> them for various reasons):
>
>   Project ACRN
>   BHyve
>   QNX
>   Red Hat Virtualization
>   Rosetta
>   Xen VMM
>   XTA
>
> I know the FreeDOS web site also lists several VMs (some of the same ones
> I've listed above, plus JSLinux which is similar to JPC).  At least some of
> the VMs have a "built-in" DOS, often based on some version of FreeDOS (for
> example, VPC and DOSEmu).
>
> Anyway, I'm wondering how "involved" FreeDOS should be in the VM world (I
> think in today's world the vast majority of users install DOS under a VM
> rather than on real hardware, though I personally do both).  How involved
> in testing/recommending applications (including games) for compatibility
> should FreeDOS actually be, particularly when a VM is involved?  Where/how
> should the results be documented (or if there even should be a central
> repository)?
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

[Bret Johnson]

> But if a game is known to *not* work at all on VirtualBox (for
> example) I recommend we discuss removing it.

This brings up a slightly different topic, so maybe deserves its own thread, 
but I'll bring it up here.

I've been working on some updates to the ISLOADED program I sent to Jim a few 
weeks ago.  Lately I have been specifically trying to add the detection of 
different Virtual Machines (including VirtualBox) to ISLOADED.  It turns out 
that there are a BUNCH of VMs out there that I've gotten to work with DOS:

  86Box
  Bochs
  DOSBox
  DOSBox-X
  DOSEmu / DOSEmu2
  Hyper-V
  JPC
  KVM
  Parallels
  PCem
  QEMU
  vDOS
  VirtualBox
  VirtualPC (Connectix)
  VirtualPC (Microsoft)
  VMWare

There are probably others as well, but those are the ones I've managed to 
successfully build test environments for.  They all have their own individual 
quirks and idiosyncrasies and advantages.  A lot of times the open-source ones 
also "borrow" code from each other (for example, JPC "borrows" part of its BIOS 
from Bochs).

There are also a few other VMs out there that I'm not sure will run DOS (the 
documentation is unclear and I haven't been able to install or test them for 
various reasons):

  Project ACRN
  BHyve
  QNX
  Red Hat Virtualization
  Rosetta
  Xen VMM
  XTA

I know the FreeDOS web site also lists several VMs (some of the same ones I've 
listed above, plus JSLinux which is similar to JPC).  At least some of the VMs 
have a "built-in" DOS, often based on some version of FreeDOS (for example, VPC 
and DOSEmu).

Anyway, I'm wondering how "involved" FreeDOS should be in the VM world (I think 
in today's world the vast majority of users install DOS under a VM rather than 
on real hardware, though I personally do both).  How involved in 
testing/recommending applications (including games) for compatibility should 
FreeDOS actually be, particularly when a VM is involved?  Where/how should the 
results be documented (or if there even should be a central repository)? 


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

[Jim Hall]

> On 23/10/22 20:46, Jim Hall wrote:
> > I keep meaning to test Rufus  to see if it will
> > successfully create a bootable USB flash drive based on the FreeDOS
> > LiveCD. If it does, I don't think we need to keep either the FullUSB
> > or LiteUSB.
> >
> > Has anyone here used Rufus to create a bootable USB flash drive from
> > the LiveCD image?


On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 5:18 PM tauro via Freedos-devel
 wrote:
>> I think users shouldn't depend on software that's exclusively designed
> to work on Windows (Rufus).
>


There are other programs that do the same thing on other platforms. I
exclusively run Linux, so I was thinking about Fedora Media Writer on
Fedora Linux.

But I agree that we should be sure these other tools exist (for Linux, Mac, etc)


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

[tauro via Freedos-devel]

On 23/10/22 20:46, Jim Hall wrote:

I keep meaning to test Rufus  to see if it will
successfully create a bootable USB flash drive based on the FreeDOS
LiveCD. If it does, I don't think we need to keep either the FullUSB
or LiteUSB.

Has anyone here used Rufus to create a bootable USB flash drive from
the LiveCD image?
I think users shouldn't depend on software that's exclusively designed 
to work on Windows (Rufus).


I have used the LiteUSB image to create a bootable flashdrive with dd in 
the past and it's been quite useful.


I suggest not to remove it, or at least keep the FullUSB or some USB image.


On 23/10/22 15:44, Jerome Shidel wrote:

Although the next major version of FDIMPLES will most likely support online 
repositories, it is being written %100 in assembly and not coming soon. Even 
once the new version of FDIMPLES is ready, general networking support under 
FreeDOS is very limited. This leaves us with providing additional packages on 
the release media for the near future.
Nice! That will be very useful, as the user won't depend on removable 
media to remove/update/install new software.



Tauro


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Bonus/Devel CD

[tom ehlert]

when downloading https://github.com/FDOS/kernel via

[code] downnload ZIP

the downloaded kernel-master\country directory is empty, and the
project does not build.

correcting for this, the the boooting kernel goes as far as


FreeDOS boot FAT kernel GO!

compiler watcom C

Tom



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