Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.
Eric Auer wrote: That is indeed interesting to know. MS published the sources of their own himem on their own servers? Why did you not tell Yes. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/XMS.EXE that before? And which license do they use? I guess we have I knew (read guessed) that already. based on my offline experience that MS never lets other people use the source code (and often does not even let them see it) of their stuff. *** This specification was jointly developed by Microsoft Corporation, Lotus Development Corporation, Intel Corporation,and AST Research, Inc. Although it has been released into the public domain and is not confidential or proprietary, the specification is still the copyright and property of Microsoft Corporation, Lotus Development Corporation, Intel Corporation, and AST Research, Inc. *** Sounds like a BSD license to me. ;-) Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SNAP...
Florian Xaver ?: Hi! Has everyone tried the new SNAP version (ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/, sound cards? I read, that it brings support for this cards to DOS. What for? Do you have card without DOS support (except ESI, MAudio, etc.)? --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SNAP...
Has everyone tried the new SNAP version (ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/, sound cards? I read, that it brings support for this cards to DOS. What for? Do you have card without DOS support (except ESI, MAudio, etc.)? In some days I will have a notebook with AC97... bye -- Florian Xaver http://www.flox.at.tf Dr-DOS Wiki http://www.drdos.org SWORD - a nice GUI library for DOS/DJGPP http://www.flox.at.tf --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.
Hello Johnson, If you still insist ignoring the technical advise, I'll care no more, it only cause the users who lost their data mourn and grinning their teeth. technical advise is welcome. Jack just want to warn about the FDXMS/HIMEM interrupt not locking simply need to change, yet a number of people go seize him! I can't remember any technical advise. I can't remember any technical description of the problem, why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts, and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving interrupts enabled) Is it a OPEN and FREE community's rules? the OPEN and FREE refers to publishing the source code I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I found, but the people here simply don't want the truth, 'the truth' ? the one eternal truth ? really THE TRUTH ? tom --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.
On Tue, 9 May 2006 10:14:42 +0200, you wrote: Hi, Sorry I'm quite sick physically, got a flu and problem in right eye, may not be able to reply within a few days. And Jim was right, this kind of email are very annoying, I'm too tired to reply. Or someone will glad to see me unsubscribe from the list, I'll respect your decision. technical advise is welcome. Wise. I can't remember any technical advise. I can't remember any technical description of the problem, Originally he found 4 bugs, this is one of them. But since he's so fury now, he won't tell. why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts, and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving interrupts enabled) Leave the interrupts diables is safe? He told me it's dangerous. If you blame him for anger and upsetting language, I'm very sorry, he's only a human. I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I found, but the people here simply don't want the truth, 'the truth' ? the one eternal truth ? really THE TRUTH ? Play the tricks again? There's no eternal true, but DO challenge someone with REASON, maybe you buy the style of Mr. Auer, you can tolerate him but not Jack? Rgds, Johnson. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.
On Tue, 9 May 2006, Robert Riebisch wrote: Yes. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/XMS.EXE Just google a bit: deja vu: http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/news/press/2000-himem.txt and the consensus was ... Therefore you cannot derive any rights from it to change or modify it or re-use portions of it within FreeDOS tools. note that the BSD license explicitly allows modification (provided that...) and nothing is written about that in the MS source code, just that the *specification* is in the public domain. (BTW I don't think offending people really helps, and as far as Eric is concerned, I've never seen him doing it consciously (certainly no CAPITAL name calling like the posts here), but I have been annoyed by Eric's emails from time to time, simply because he did not do his homework (IMHO) and he could save a lot of people's time by spending time testing all the suggestions made instead of typing long emails -- but I think the right strategy is to not feel offended or take things personally but just to ignore, life is too short to worry about these things -- but anyway enough said about this). Bart --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Customizing Startup Files
Hi Lester! As UMBPCI.SYS is used insted of EMM386.EXE what's the proper setting for DOS and DOSDATA. I left both at: DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB Should this be changed to: DOS=HIGH rem DOSDATA=UMB No - if your UMBs work, you can leave DOS and DOSDATA as they are. If they do not work, then you should not load UMBPCI at all... 3) What is this: SET DIRCMD=/OGN This means that everytime when you run DIR, it will behave as if you had used the option /OGN for it. See DIR /? for details. 4) DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\FDXXMST.SYS BIOS NUMHANDLES=64 How to figure out the best value for numhandles Does not really matter - more handles mean that FDXXMS will use a bit more memory (do not use FDXXMST unless you really want to activate the debugging functions in it, otherwise the extra complexity gives you no extra gain). Too few handles mean that some programs which use XMS will not work. Just try it :-). And check the MEM /X output to see how many handles are actually used. What's the proper keyboard driver for US-Eng keyboard? The best is probably not using a driver at all as the BIOS default is US. INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM BUF 12 DRV C see LBACACHE /? for the current syntax. I think you should use something like LBACACHE 4096 TUNS (if you do not use SCSI / SATA / RAID, the TUNS is not needed). You may want to add the FLOP option for floppy caching, too. DRV is not needed as drives are autodetected. LH DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1) As you do not use non-US fonts, you do not have to load DISPLAY at all. DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\QCDROM.SYS /D:CDROM1 DEVICEHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\CDRCACHE.SYS CDROM1 CDRCACH$ 12 SHCDX33A /D:?CDROM1 /C /V /~+ /Q+ If you load things that way, the cdrom cache is not active. Replace the SHCDX33A line by SHCDX33A /D:?CDRCACH$ ... Eric --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.
Hi Tom, the mails from Jack / Johnson actually do contain technical advice. Jack thinks that leaving interrupts disabled during a big XMS move means that interrupts from fast hardware like gigabit ethernet will be lost. So Jack recommends to split the big move into several smaller moves. Between those, the system would return to real mode (or if EMM386 is loaded to v86 mode) and interrupts can be enabled for a moment. As switching to and from protected mode is slow, it would be a good idea to make the maximum size of XMS move with interrupts disabled configurable - people without fast interrupt sources may want to do all XMS moves in one chunk, as FDXMS / HIMEM does, for maximum XMS speed. People with fast interrupt sources may want to do things QHIMEM style, with some IRQ windows during larger XMS moves. Jack just want to warn about the FDXMS/HIMEM interrupt not locking simply need to change, yet a number of people go seize him! I think we did not criticize the idea of allowing interrupts during XMS moves from time to time. The flame part of the mails was about other things. why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts, and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving interrupts enabled) See above - you cannot leave interrupts on all the time but an implementation in the style described above would not be very complex :-). ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Softlib/MSLFILES/XMS.EXE As Bart said, http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/news/press/2000-himem.txt (1/2000 HIMEM.SYS was open-sourced which tells that MS offered a developer's kit, including XMS 2.0 HIMEM sources, back in 1989 and, later in the discussion, that there is that XMS.EXE which contains XMS 3.0 specs and driver sources... The copyright is simply 1988 MS but only the SPECS are public domain, but MS does not tell which license they want for the SOURCES... I guess one could ask them ;-)) ... so there still is a license problem. Arkady also said: Though, there sayed about public domain for XMS spec (developed joinly by MS and Lotus), but sources in those archive are not (explicitly) clarified. Eric PS: So I guess we can try out by letting QHIMEM gain popularity and waiting if MS cares ;-). Remember that even a NEWDOS site with a MS DOS 7 distro was online for several months before MS asked them to take the site offline again. MS is not very eager in reducing the availability of MS DOS boot disks, I would say. People would use OTHER DOSes otherwise, that kind of explains it. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] How To Convert File US.KEY to US.KL
How to convert file US.KEY to US.KL? *.key files are available in kpdos23s.zip here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kblayout/ After unzipping: kpdos23s\source\keydos\us.key Lester --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk=120709=263057=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (fwd) FDXMS Sources.
I only see this emails and am frustrated. If all of these words would be code, FreeDOS 1.0 would have been released ;-) bye flo Johnson Lam wrote: On Tue, 9 May 2006 10:14:42 +0200, you wrote: Hi, Sorry I'm quite sick physically, got a flu and problem in right eye, may not be able to reply within a few days. And Jim was right, this kind of email are very annoying, I'm too tired to reply. Or someone will glad to see me unsubscribe from the list, I'll respect your decision. technical advise is welcome. Wise. I can't remember any technical advise. I can't remember any technical description of the problem, Originally he found 4 bugs, this is one of them. But since he's so fury now, he won't tell. why ellis thinks that this problem was caused by disabling interrupts, and how he solved it (it's probably not as easy as just leaving interrupts enabled) Leave the interrupts diables is safe? He told me it's dangerous. If you blame him for anger and upsetting language, I'm very sorry, he's only a human. I join the list to help people, and want to share any good programs I found, but the people here simply don't want the truth, 'the truth' ? the one eternal truth ? really THE TRUTH ? Play the tricks again? There's no eternal true, but DO challenge someone with REASON, maybe you buy the style of Mr. Auer, you can tolerate him but not Jack? Rgds, Johnson. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=kkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Florian Xaver http://www.flox.at.tf Dr-DOS Wiki http://www.drdos.org SWORD - a nice GUI library for DOS/DJGPP http://www.flox.at.tf --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How To Convert File US.KEY to US.KL
Lester Vedrox schreef: How to convert file US.KEY to US.KL? *.key files are available in kpdos23s.zip here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kblayout/ After unzipping: kpdos23s\source\keydos\us.key http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kc200x.zip (One directory higher.) Basicly: * layout.KEY * KC layout.KEY -- layout.KL * Klib layouts.sys layout.KL * KEYB layouts.sys layout sourcefile (*.key) to compiled file (*.kl), which is directly usable by KEYB. instead you may also select to save the compiled file into a file that can be a collection of 0 or more compiled layout files. it then becomes a library, usually named KEYBOARD.SYS --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SNAP...
dio, etc.)? In some days I will have a notebook with AC97... And, could enable Legacy SB in BIOS :) --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Customizing Startup Files
1) Thanks, Eric. I set LBACACHE as suggested for SATA drive: INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM 4096 TUNS This, however, resulted in the following error after Config.sys: Bad or missing command interpreter After removing TUNS Autoexec.bat resumed running without problems. I guess it depends on the drive. Would you suggest anything else in place of TUNS or just leave this blank as is? INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM 8192 2) Running US-Eng keyboard straight from BIOS (which is US anyways) sounds like a good idea but I still can't get the right ALT key working. The following approach didn't solve the problem either (kb2pre4.zip): LH KEYB US,,C:\FDOS\BIN\KEYBOARD.SYS Maybe it's because it's multimedia keyboard. Lester -- To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Customizing Startup Files Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:45:38 +0200 (MEST) INSTALLHIGH=C:\FDOS\BIN\LBACACHE.COM BUF 12 DRV C see LBACACHE /? for the current syntax. I think you should use something like LBACACHE 4096 TUNS (if you do not use SCSI / SATA / RAID, the TUNS is not needed). You may want to add the FLOP option for floppy caching, too. DRV is not needed as drives are autodetected. What's the proper keyboard driver for US-Eng keyboard? The best is probably not using a driver at all as the BIOS default is US. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SNAP...
Florian Xaver wrote: Hi! Has everyone tried the new SNAP version (ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/, info about SNAP at http://www.scitechsoft.com/ ), which supports some sound cards? I read, that it brings support for this cards to DOS. Has somebody experience? bye http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/snap/dos/ the directory for DOS. -- TomLeeM / BigWarpGuy * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Director of Communications - * - Linkmaster * * * * * * * * * OS/2 Warp - eComStation Org * * OS/2 World * * * * * * * * * http://www.os2ecs.org * * http://www.os2world.com * * * * Supporting Past OS/2 Users and Future eCS Users * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://home.comcast.net/~tomleem * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
