Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 23:23 (CEST), Eric Auer wrote: You could either package the files into zips to make sure their timestamps are set by unzip or you could fix your web server ;-) Hi, I am not talking about timestamps inside zips (these are usually preserved), but about timestamps of the transaltions files, downloadable from my website. HTTP doesn't provide any real way to tell this file's has been created the 3rd may 2003. You won't hop it. My server is giving you a Last-Modified time, which is already an optional HTTP header, but Firefox isn't using it to store the downloaded file anyway. In any case, I don't think that basing anything on file's timestamp is a good idea. These timestamps may change / be overwrited / falsed for many reasons. See you, Mateusz -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] What is the trick to get Windows 3.1 to run on freedos???
I think I'm using the stable kernel instead of the unstable one. I get an error that says essentially unload the protected mode software and try again when windows tries to start. Are people taking out the smartdrive stuff or simply adding a menu entry and if someone wants windows loading it? BTW: I found out that curl can load a very large file without crashing on my system, but using it doesn't make fdupdate work. Are there special tricks I need to know about to get Windows 3.1 running on freedos? Do only older versions of Windows work? I picked up a copy of Windows 3.1 from a web site that specializes in abandonware. It passed clam antivirus scans no problem. I wish Microsoft would open source Windows 3.x and allow the open source community to fix it instead of trying to work around it's problems. What on a typical freedos system runs in protected mode? Maybe Windows 3.1 is stupid and it thinks the system is in protected mode? When I installed Windows 3.1, it seemed to start up okay. I just can't get it back up is all. There should be a law for abandonware that says you must open source it if you are not going to sell or support it anymore. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project
Hi Mateusz, You could either package the files into zips to make sure their timestamps are set by unzip or you could fix your web server ;-) I am not talking about timestamps inside zips (these are usually preserved), but about timestamps of the transaltions files, downloadable from my website. HTTP doesn't provide any real way to tell this file's has been created the 3rd may 2003. You won't hop it. My server is giving you a Last-Modified time, which is already an optional HTTP header, but Firefox isn't using it to store the downloaded file anyway. In any case, I don't think that basing anything on file's timestamp is a good idea. These timestamps may change / be overwrited / falsed for many reasons. The timestamp is preserved when you download via wget or similar software. I do not think you can tell firefox to preserve it, though, so you are right about that problem. Most web servers do give the Last-Modified time, unless the content you are looking at is dynamically generated. Of course you would have to make sure that you preserve the timestamps when you upload files to the web, too ;-). So... Indeed, timestamps can easily be lost, but on the other hand, ZIP is a good way to protect them a bit :-) Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What is the trick to get Windows 3.1 to run on freedos???
Hi! I think I'm using the stable kernel instead of the unstable one. I get an error that says essentially unload the protected mode software and try again when windows tries to start. Neither free-EMM386 nor JEMM386 is compatible with Windows 3.x 386enh mode or WfW 3.11... You would have to start Windows 3.x in the standard mode (WIN /S). Unfortunately the options in WfW 3.11 are more limited, their non-386enh mode is more like a safe mode. Note that none of the Windows 3 versions can start if you give them more than 256 MB of RAM, or 1024 MB with a special configuration. Are people taking out the smartdrive stuff or simply adding a menu entry and if someone wants windows loading it? Smartdrive? Menu entry? BTW: I found out that curl can load a very large file without crashing on my system, but using it doesn't make fdupdate work. Maybe fdupdate or curl leaves open a file and you would have to load SHARE to get DOS happy? Are there special tricks I need to know about to get Windows 3.1 running on freedos? Do only older versions of Windows work? See above - make sure you do not confuse 3.1 with Windows FOR WORKGROUPS 3.ELEVEN ;-). There is an experimental compile-time option for the unstable kernel which tries to make WfW 3.11 and 386enh run but Jeremy Davis who wrote it is hard to reach at the moment, it seems. www.mail-archive.com/freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08649.html www.deskwork.de/DOWNLOAD/DOS.HTM www.deskwork.de/INFOS/DOS.HTM#anc7 (German but useful - try Babelfish translations) What on a typical freedos system runs in protected mode? Maybe Windows 3.1 is stupid and it thinks the system is in protected mode? The EMM386 does, and some DOS extenders / DPMI hosts. The problem is that Windows in 386enh mode and WfW 3.11 try to take over the work from EMM386 which uses a complex what exactly are you doing at the moment? interface called GEMMIS which is not supported by any free open source EMM386 yet. And actually Windows is the ONLY software which ever used GEMMIS, so there is not much motivation to implement it yet... When I installed Windows 3.1, it seemed to start up okay. I just can't get it back up is all. Interesting. Try to backup and compare the INI files at the next install ;-). And use WIN /S. Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] WAS Re: [Freedosuser] FreeDOS localisation project = 2038 issue?
PS: RBIL says that year must be 2100, I guess this means that MS-DOS did not implement leap years fully. The Int21.2A (Get system time) description says the year is below 2100 as you said. The DOS file date format can store years from 1980 up to 2107. Some DOS applications are limited to two-digit years which creates the year 2079 problem: 80..99 is interpreted as 1980..1999, and 00..79 is interpreted as 2000..2079, however I can't find evidence that DOS itself is affected by this. Regards, Christian -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What is the trick to get Windows 3.1 to run on freedos???
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:23:44 +0200, I waved a wand and this message magically appears in front of Eric Auer: The EMM386 does, and some DOS extenders / DPMI hosts. The problem is that Windows in 386enh mode and WfW 3.11 try to take over the work from EMM386 which uses a complex what exactly are you doing at the moment? interface called GEMMIS which is not supported by any free open source EMM386 yet. And actually Windows is the ONLY software which ever used GEMMIS, so there is not much motivation to implement it yet... Seems DOSBox 0.70+ supports GEMMIS, the sources are GPL, so it should be a simple matter to support it under FreeDOS. -- http://www.munted.org.uk Fearsome grindings. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FDUPDATE crash
Oops, just sent an empty reply... and more than 2 near fnodes does not tell me what crashed. It might mean you use an old kernel which leaves file handles open when access is aborted due to an error... I do not think your RAM config is a problem. Maybe your copy of FDUPDATE or WGET is compiled for Pentium CPU? Loading HIMEM sounds useful yes. I would not load EMM386, though. Serial port IRQ should not be an issue, but you can try without CUTEMOUSE if you think it makes a difference. MS DOS 6.22 has a tool that graphically shows a representation of memory, I think it was called msd. Is there an equivalent for freedos? There are various tools for that, a nice one is Quarterdeck MFT Manifest which is now freeware. Unfortunately I cannot find any URL as Quarterdeck got bought by Symantec. My isa nic is a DE220PT in non pnp mode, has anyone had problems using these under freedos? I think ISA network cards are harder to get to run stable and harder to configure than PCI network cards in DOS... Please note that ssh2dos works. Nice :-) Every network application except for fdupdate seems to work okay. Sounds like FDUPDATE has a problem with old CPU, I wonder in which language it is written... What is an fnode? What does a message that more than 2 near fnodes are opened mean? F-Nodes store extra information about open files in FreeDOS. There is a cache for the two most recently used F-Nodes, so you get an error if you try to use three F-Nodes at exactly the same moment. Maybe you have a problem which left an F-Node dangling or you have some software which tries to access files in the background but fails to do so in compatible way for example while the int 21 kernel handler is busy. Please someone, try fdupdate v0.54 on a real 486 with 30 pin memory, maybe you'll run into the same problem that I am having. Rugxulo? :-) Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] patents - was: LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
Couldn't there be a optional syncfat program that one could run at the boot of freedos, and before shut down? Could synchronize the FreeDos LFN and the M$ Dos storages mediums. It may not,since isn't live access, violate the patent. Many Programs write/read directly to and from the fat tables without violating the patent. CD/DVD Burners etc This program could then be run before and after legacy LFN apps in a bat file. MyProggy.Bat syncfat.exe myproggy.exe syncfat.exe There could be switches to do a full, one direction only, certain directories. For speed. Adam Windows9X and is used in the millions of USB devices or the like, nor with the applications that are LFN-aware (unless you'd like to rewrite the DOS LFN API descript.ion-based... -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dos Basics
Visual Basic for Dos (1.0) 1) Anyone know if this runs on FreeDos 2) If it does does anyone know where to get it? FreeBasic 1) Does it have GUI? 2) Will it run QuickBasic programs? QuickBasic Are there any alternatives for FreeDos, Or would that be FreeBasic thanks, Usul -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dos Basics
FreeBasic 1) Does it have GUI? I meant can you write applications with GUI under freedos with freebasic Forms, textboxes simple stuff. usul -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Win 3.11
Has anyone ever considered an open source equivalent to windows 3.11? Compatible like Reactos is compatible? At least on the surface, enough to where most basic applications would run? usul -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] deleting/overwriting files from bat file;
If I want to delete/overwrite files from a script(batch), then either way, it will interogate me:are you sure?y/n; but I want the script to run unattended; is there a way to make it fully 'hands free'?, possibly with a redirection away from the keyboard, or some such thing? PS: when deleting a file, there is usually a 'deleted copy' of it that can be 'undeleted', but when overwriting a file, is the original definately destroyed?--kurt--wb2...@gmail.com. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compressed folders?
Michael Horvath wrote: Is there a way to compress folders so they take up less space? Ideally, I would like to be able to compress into a zip file, and still have the OS treat it as a regular folder. As long as other OSs can view/access the folder and its files, then any type of compression is OK. This is called on-line or real-time disk compression. I know two free products for DOS, but I never tried those on FreeDOS. 1) ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/jam125sw.zip *** ... 1.1. What is the JAM? JAM is a transparent hard disk compressor, which enlarges your disk space. With the JAM you will forget about annoying messages like 'Insufficient disk space...' with no need to purchase a new hard disk. ... *** 2) ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/execomp/diet145f.zip *** ... 1.2. What makes DIET really unique is its ability to compress DATA Files and to automatically expand them when you call them into an Word Processor or Editor to read or change them. (a) To use that feature, you must load DIET so that it is resident in memory (i.e., Terminate and Stay Resident, or TSR). *** Both are free at least for personal use. Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] New problems with Windows 3.1...
Not workgroup. If I don't load emm386.exe, freedos version, I get an error that I have an unsupported dos version. If I try loading windows 3.1 in standard mode, I get an error that there isn't enough extended memory. Uge! -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New problems with Windows 3.1...
If I don't load emm386.exe, freedos version, I get an error that I have an unsupported dos version. Load the microsoft version that comes with windows, himem too. If I try loading windows 3.1 in standard mode, I get an error that there isn't enough extended memory. Uge! -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New problems with Windows 3.1...
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 14:34 -0700, Blair Campbell wrote: If I don't load emm386.exe, freedos version, I get an error that I have an unsupported dos version. Load the microsoft version that comes with windows, himem too. If I try loading windows 3.1 in standard mode, I get an error that there isn't enough extended memory. Uge! That didn't make any difference. It crashes to a C prompt that doesn't work with the message incorrect dos version. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New problems with Windows 3.1...
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 15:35 -0700, Blair Campbell wrote: If I don't load emm386.exe, freedos version, I get an error that I have an unsupported dos version. Load the microsoft version that comes with windows, himem too. If I try loading windows 3.1 in standard mode, I get an error that there isn't enough extended memory. Uge! That didn't make any difference. It crashes to a C prompt that doesn't work with the message incorrect dos version. Did you load FreeDOS Share? Yes. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
