Re: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
There's already a bit of discussion on the subject of licensing on the project's BitBucket https://bitbucket.org/neozeed/q2dos/issues/21/license-needed W dniu 23.01.2022 o 21:20, Liam Proven pisze: On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:36, Jerome Shidel wrote: First, I took a quick look at the pages and browsed the source and did not see any LICENSE or COPYING Policy. Perhaps it is mentioned somewhere, but at a glance I did not notice one. Without such a declaration, I think it technically is source-available not open-source. But, I’m no lawyer. The original: https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:36, Jerome Shidel wrote: > First, I took a quick look at the pages and browsed the source and did not > see any LICENSE or COPYING Policy. Perhaps it is mentioned somewhere, but at > a glance I did not notice one. Without such a declaration, I think it > technically is source-available not open-source. But, I’m no lawyer. The original: https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-2 -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
Hi, that sounds great! On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:45 PM Michał Dec wrote: > > W dniu 23.01.2022 o 12:34, Jerome Shidel pisze: > > Without them, it would not be playable. > > This is not a problem in pretty much every Linux or BSD distribution. > They provide binaries of engines for Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, Doom 1, > Doom 2, Doom 3, Duke Nukem 3D, RollerCoaster Tycoon, RollerCoaster > Tycoon 2, and many other games that require proprietary game data except > the engine is free/libre/opensource software. > > As for the LICENSE file, I could reach the authors and work it out with > them. Chances are they got it from the GPL release. > > Best regards, > > Michał > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
W dniu 23.01.2022 o 12:34, Jerome Shidel pisze: Without them, it would not be playable. This is not a problem in pretty much every Linux or BSD distribution. They provide binaries of engines for Quake 1, Quake 2, Quake 3, Doom 1, Doom 2, Doom 3, Duke Nukem 3D, RollerCoaster Tycoon, RollerCoaster Tycoon 2, and many other games that require proprietary game data except the engine is free/libre/opensource software. As for the LICENSE file, I could reach the authors and work it out with them. Chances are they got it from the GPL release. Best regards, Michał ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
Hello, > On Jan 23, 2022, at 5:09 AM, Michał Dec wrote: > > Perhaps Quake2 could become a FreeDOS package? This was just a quick and cursory examination. It could be completely wrong... I see two problems with providing it as a package included with FreeDOS. First, I took a quick look at the pages and browsed the source and did not see any LICENSE or COPYING Policy. Perhaps it is mentioned somewhere, but at a glance I did not notice one. Without such a declaration, I think it technically is source-available not open-source. But, I’m no lawyer. Second, you mention in you “how I got it to work” section that you needed to copy the data files from the CD. So, I don’t see how we could legally include those files. Without them, it would not be playable. That being said. You could turn it into a package for your personal use. Basically, using running pkgmaker before you go through that process of installing and configuring it. Then once again afterwards. Then using using pkg2zip to create the package archive. All part of the latest PKGINFO package released after RC5. The version in RC5 has some issues under certain situations. Unless your going to setup and use a local software repo with FDIMPLES, it would probably be easier to just zip up all your work and keep it around somewhere for later usage. Jerome ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
Yes, yes. I also like to play on my DOS machine with Voodoo3. This port also supports some modern PCI and integrated soundcards. The same group added the Voodoo support into DOS version of Quake1 (originaly the voodoo/3dfx support was only in windows version) http://dk.toastednet.org/QDOS/ -- Původní e-mail -- Od: Michał Dec Komu: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Datum: 23. 1. 2022 11:09:53 Předmět: [Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS "Hi everyone, I have accidentally bumped into a killer app for FreeDOS. I can confirm that it works on FreeDOS with Voodoo 5500 and SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold with just HIMEMX and DOSLFN loaded. It will complain DOSLFN isn't there if it ain't there, but it still works. Perhaps Quake2 could become a FreeDOS package? Here are the relevant links: http://falconfly.3dfx.pl/downloads/Q2DOS_EXE_LATEST.7Z - mirror of the download http://dk.toastednet.org/Q2DOS/ - project homepage https://bitbucket.org/neozeed/q2dos/downloads/Q2DOS_EXE_LATEST.7Z - latest compile In order to make this work, I: - copied the gamedata off the CD (baseq2 directory) - copied glide3x from voodoo/h5 directory (inside the game's own directory) into the game's root directory (where q2.exe and gl.exe are located) - ripped the soundtrack into OGG containers encoded in FLAC for extra mileage, but it turns out the included OGG library doesn't support FLAC, so I'm using wav rips It works great! Only thing however, is that in 1280x1024 the game hangs after a couple minutes of gameplay. Could be that my Voodoo 5500 is overheating. Wouldn't surprise me, since it's modded to be entirely passively cooled. Best regards, Michał ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user "___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Quake2 for FreeDOS
Hi everyone, I have accidentally bumped into a killer app for FreeDOS. I can confirm that it works on FreeDOS with Voodoo 5500 and SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold with just HIMEMX and DOSLFN loaded. It will complain DOSLFN isn't there if it ain't there, but it still works. Perhaps Quake2 could become a FreeDOS package? Here are the relevant links: http://falconfly.3dfx.pl/downloads/Q2DOS_EXE_LATEST.7Z - mirror of the download http://dk.toastednet.org/Q2DOS/ - project homepage https://bitbucket.org/neozeed/q2dos/downloads/Q2DOS_EXE_LATEST.7Z - latest compile In order to make this work, I: - copied the gamedata off the CD (baseq2 directory) - copied glide3x from voodoo/h5 directory (inside the game's own directory) into the game's root directory (where q2.exe and gl.exe are located) - ripped the soundtrack into OGG containers encoded in FLAC for extra mileage, but it turns out the included OGG library doesn't support FLAC, so I'm using wav rips It works great! Only thing however, is that in 1280x1024 the game hangs after a couple minutes of gameplay. Could be that my Voodoo 5500 is overheating. Wouldn't surprise me, since it's modded to be entirely passively cooled. Best regards, Michał ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UDVD2 vs SHSUCDX
Hi Eric, I have accidentally responded only to Jerome before, saying that I've found the cause. Let's take care of your message first. >Do things work better with no JEMM... loaded? Yes! Much better! I would have to record those tests, but I can tell you that: Redneck Rampage will glitch out, make my ears bleed and return to DOS, and while it's still in DOS, the sound card will continue to play a half-buffered sample and continue to destroy my ears GTA1 will refuse to run in every graphic mode. 8bit palette mode and 24bit palette mode will just print a stack and some kind of exception. 3dfx mode will complain it can't allocate 215KB of memory, despite at least 500KB being free This is the state of affair with JEMM386 loaded, so when I run my system with Yamaha or AWE, it's with HIMEMX and nothing more on top of that. The only game so far that actually prefers there be JEMM386 running is "The Lost Vikings" which is unable to count the free memory correctly. Probably because my FreeDOS machine has 2GB RAM. I have figured out that the games are okay. I used Metasoma's "Mirror of life" album in Quake 1 which is a pressed CD and it worked wonders. So the problem is the CD copies I made for GTA1 and Redneck Rampage. I have analyzed my images and software stack and I have a little clue. It seems the culprit is CDRDAO, and this is what I found when successfully running toc2cue: toc2cue version 1.2.4 - (C) Andreas Mueller Converted toc-file 'Quake2.toc' to cue file 'Quake2.cue'. Please note that the resulting cue file is only valid if the toc-file was created with cdrdao using the commands 'read-toc' or 'read-cd'. For manually created or edited toc-files the cue file may not be correct. This program just checks for the most obvious toc-file features that cannot be converted to a cue file. *Furthermore, if the toc-file contains audio tracks the byte** **order of the image file will be wrong which results in static** **noise when the resulting cue file is used for recording** **(even with cdrdao itself).* So, the images I make with CDRDAO might be all wrong. So, FreeDOS is fine. Sorry for alarming anyone. Best regards, Michał W dniu 22.01.2022 o 23:45, Eric Auer pisze: Hi! I used this version of OAK https://www.hiren.info/download/dos-files/oakcdrom.sys and the problem persists. I even tried 3 different sound cards with the CDROM in UDMA and PIO modes: - SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold - SoundBlaster Vibra 128 - Yamaha YMF724 ... In all 6 tests, the CD input would produce static noise, except with Vibra 128. Don't even get me started on this card, it's always been an unstable mess in DOS, courtesy of JEMM386. Do things work better with no JEMM... loaded? Have you tried using XMGR instead of HIMEM? Regarding the sound question in general, do the games use the audio PLAY function of the drive? If yes, is the wiring okay and are the games able to properly configure the soundcard volumen control and mixer to the correct input? If the games use the function to read the raw audio sectors instead and then play them as a part of the game sound itself, the whole flow of data and sound would be different and the question would change into whether the games can properly READ the sound data, while using the normal game sound driver to then play it. Any more ideas? It used to work flawlessly in FreeDOS 1.2 with SHSUCDX backported from 1.3 RC that was newest like, at least a year ago. It turned out back then that SHSUCDX from FD 1.2 does not support CD playback at all. I suggest that you compare the UDVD2 versions and SHSUCDX versions of FreeDOS 1.2 and 1.3 to find out whether you need the FD1.2 version of one (which?) or both drivers for your games. If you were using a different driver, such as ATAPICDD or OAKCDROM or AHCICD instead of UDVD2, or MSCDEX instead of SHSUCDX, you can of course also compare the effects of those differences. However, as far as I understand, 1.2 worked out of the box with old SHSUCDX and old UDVD2 and your OAKCDROM experiment is just to check whether that works better with new SHSUCDX than new UDVD2 does, also possibly related to changed command line options in the new FreeDOS 1.3 style default boot config files? Thanks for testing! Regards, Eric PS: As usual, the memory drivers can also be part of the problem. HIMEM (try XMGR), JEMMEX (try JEMM386 or no JEMM... at all) etc. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
