Re: [Freedos-user] Git for DOS?

[Regan Russell]

Hi Brandon,

CVS runs on DOS I think...
There is a CVS to SVN converter.
There is a SVN to git converter.
This might​​ work. But with this many moving parts it is unlikely.
There was also SCCS and RCS but I've touched neither in like maybe 20 or 30 
years.

The other and possibly easier option might be to have a network drive and do 
all the development on the DOS machine, then transfer the code on another 
machine and do source code control on the other machine (Linux, Mac, Windows, 
etc)

Hope this helps.


From: Brandon Taylor 
Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2022 1:41 PM
To: Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: [Freedos-user] Git for DOS?

This may sound odd, but is there any way I can use Git on FreeDOS, either 
natively (from COMMAND.COM) or from some third-party command interpreter (e.g. 
bash)?

Brandon Taylor
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Re: [Freedos-user] What is the FreeDOS fish?

[Regan Russell]

I had always assumed that it was a whale because other operating systems are 
large and bloated and a whale would be irony.

R



From: Jim Hall 
Sent: Sunday, 7 February 2021 11:12 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] What is the FreeDOS fish?

In another thread, Bryan asked:

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:11 PM Bryan Kilgallin 
mailto:kilgal...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
[..]
By the way, what is the origin/meaning of the obese fish logo?


The FreeDOS fish mascot is named Blinky. The short story behind this is I 
wanted to have a mascot for FreeDOS. I just thought "GNU has a gnu, BSD has the 
daemon, Linux has the penguin .. FreeDOS should have a mascot too."

I wasn't sure what mascot to choose. I liked the idea of a seal, and imagined 
the Linux penguin and the FreeDOS seal hanging out together. I also really 
liked lemurs, so I had the idea that the FreeDOS mascot could be a lemur.

At the time, people contributed images and web buttons and all kinds of things 
for the FreeDOS website. People also contributed new logo ideas. One developer 
contributed a kind of FreeDOS mascot with hands and feet. (If you have seen the 
original "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" cartoony mascot of the smiling 
green ball - the mascot kind of looked like that.) I thought that blue ball 
mascot was neat.

Instead, we chose a fish. A developer named Mike Green contributed a FreeDOS 
logo that used a "fish outline" and said that the fish represented freedom. I 
put that logo in the "contrib" directory on the website with all the other 
contributed stuff. A while later, Bas Snabilie saw that contributed fish logo, 
and contributed his own fish - a cartoony FreeDOS fish mascot. I really liked 
Bas's fish, and I put it on the website.

We later dubbed him "Blinky" because of his one big googly eye. Blinky doesn't 
have gills, but he really is a fish.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

[Regan Russell]

I want to make applications om everything including DOS with Watcom C/C++ but 
to be honest who has the time...


From: Bryan Kilgallin 
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 3:16 PM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

Thanks, Ray:

> Take
> a survey.  How many want to make or modify DOS apps.

I have trouble just following instructions!
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Re: [Freedos-user] yt-dl in dos?

[Regan Russell]

yt-dl is built on a lot of other software... I think ffmeg and whole lot more 
It has a huge depnedancy list so my only suggestion is "good luck with that".

R.


From: andrea...@tiscali.it 
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2020 10:43 AM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: [Freedos-user] yt-dl in dos?


You think is there any way to configure youtube-dl in Dos?
I probe it in Linux, and in win xp - from dos terminal, text mode - and it work 
fine and fast, without tip and triks or publicity,and I download song/video.
Download and source in http://www.github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
   I Know Ytcrack  ( by Fred C. Macall) for dos but I have no luck with it.
   thanks
andrea




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Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

[Regan Russell]

In the mid 1990s I copied the Tru64 shared libraries and some other things from 
one of the universities Tru64 machines onto an Alpha running Linux in my 
office. With a very small amount of hacking around and configuring I got 
Mozilla and maybe a few other things to run.

Other than showing everyone who came into my office and running around campus 
extoling the virtues of Linux there was absolutely no point.

If you need to run Linux just run it... Its ported to everything these 
including probably your toaster and a I've spent more on Lunch than the cost of 
a Raspberry Pi.

R


From: Thomas Mueller 
Sent: Thursday, 24 September 2020 9:04 AM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Run Linux & Linux binaries on DOS

I remember, from DR-DOS website (drdos.com to the best of my memory), in their 
later years DR-DOS could load Linux and come back to DR-DOS after the user 
exited from Linux.

As far as I could see, it was not possible to run DOS and Linux software 
concurrently.

I never tried that, believe DR-DOS has now fallen into desuetude.

I remember there was a DR-DOS 8 that used GPL parts from FreeDOS, but that had 
to be withdrawn from the market due to legal challenges, using open-source GPL 
parts in a closed-source system.

Tom



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Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

[Regan Russell]

Hi Felix,
 I am am app developer. I am working on a bank app. A blind person has 
threatened to take the bank to a special discrimination court. I am working to 
fix the accessibility aspects of the app. I got the idea to write a book on 
accessibility for iOS and Android developers. I might put it on iBooks or 
approach publishers.
Can I talk to you about it? Maybe you could be a reviewer?

Regan


From: Felix G. 
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2020 8:23 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] C: location

Hi,
you may use the boot screen blind, with VoiceOver on the Mac. You can
start it with cmd+f5.
I actually am blind so I know it works.
HTH,
Felix

Am Mi., 1. Apr. 2020 um 20:32 Uhr schrieb RJ Givens
:
>
> Ok, so I got ATIFlash to run form
> Booting by disk,  but it is not seeing the RX580, it is only seeing the 
> original video card ( have to leave it in otherwise I don’t get the boot 
> screen when holding down option)
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 1, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi!
> >
> >> Would that work if I have a second graphics card ?
> >
> > To be honest, I am pessimistic. I once tried to use
> > the real graphics card of a commercial VMWare server
> > workstation for GPU calculations by making it visible
> > to the OS inside the virtual computer and just got the
> > ability to crash the real hardware :-p I actually had
> > more luck to tune a DJGPP app into using 2 PCI or AGP
> > graphics cards simultaneously by PCI bus config tricks.
> >
> >> If the Mac Pro 5,1 would let you boot from USB,
> >> this wouldn’t be an issue.
> >
> > Or from CD or DVD, but I guess the Mac firmware has
> > never introduced PC compatible BIOS since they went
> > for PC compatible CPU? So, as said, you would have
> > to first load a CSM BIOS layer and I have no idea
> > whether that ever has been done successfully yet?
> >
> > Given that Mac are a lot more expensive than PC
> > anyway, you could maybe just acquire any simple
> > new or 2nd hand PC with the right slot (PCIe?)
> > for the graphics card, plug it there, boot DOS
> > from CD or USB, update your graphics BIOS, put
> > the graphics card back in the PC... Few 100 USD
> > should be plenty. Or of course ask any friend or
> > shop whether they let you use their PC for the
> > task, which should take at most a few hours to
> > figure out and then just a few minutes to do?
> >
> > Regards, Eric
> >
> > PS: It surprises me that you have no Mac version
> > of the VGA BIOS update installer tool available.
> > Maybe you just need the right Mac terminology to
> > find whatever Apple calls the DOS tool you have?
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Source code to Windows 9x and ME...

[Regan Russell]

There was a rumour that Microsoft lost the source code to Visual Source Safe. 
Oh the irony. I know our admin claimed it corrupted itself many times.

Source code getting lost, I'd buy that.


From: R Moog 
Sent: Friday, 27 September 2019 12:01 AM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Cc: p...@lists.pdxlinux.org 
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Source code to Windows 9x and ME...

Besides being a huge witch hunt for code proprietors and a hassle to convince 
them to relicense, it also involves digging out source code that might not 
exist anymore. This happens.

czw., 26 wrz 2019, 15:37 użytkownik Michael C Robinson 
mailto:mich...@robinson-west.com>> napisał:
Is it possible to get the source code to Windows 9x and ME since
Microsoft isn't supporting it anymore?
One would want to get the source code and then open source it of
course.  Even Windows 3.1 and Windows 3.11 is closed source.  Surely,
Microsoft could release pre 9x Windows?  It wouldn't hurt Microsoft at
all since Windows
is squarely NT based now where many modern systems won't even support
DOS let alone DOS based Windows.  I realize it would probably be very
expensive to get Microsoft to cough up the source code, but has anyone
even looked into this?



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Re: [Freedos-user] Source code to Windows 9x and ME...

[Regan Russell]

When I worked for a very large American tech giant in Japan we had one machine 
which had a VPN that was only used for accessing source code in Redmond. I was 
trying to figure out why a patch to Windows Server was calling release multiple 
times (and thus blue screening) on our device driver on a server in a data 
centre in New Zealand. I could see the source code over my bosses shoulder and 
ask him to look at different source files and I did not like what I saw. I 
think hero coders at Microsoft get some tasks and junior graduates get other 
tasks and sometimes that looks like rubbish.

Having seen source code means you can not technically legally reverse engineer 
something. You can never claim it was a black box and we just made the same 
interfaces, you knew what was inside.


From: andrew fabbro 
Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2019 11:52 PM
To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. 

Cc: p...@lists.pdxlinux.org 
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Source code to Windows 9x and ME...

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 6:36 AM Michael C Robinson 
mailto:mich...@robinson-west.com>> wrote:
Is it possible to get the source code to Windows 9x and ME since
Microsoft isn't supporting it anymore?
One would want to get the source code and then open source it of
course.  Even Windows 3.1 and Windows 3.11 is closed source.  Surely,
Microsoft could release pre 9x Windows?  It wouldn't hurt Microsoft at
all since Windows
is squarely NT based now where many modern systems won't even support
DOS let alone DOS based Windows.  I realize it would probably be very
expensive to get Microsoft to cough up the source code, but has anyone
even looked into this?

"It wouldn't hurt Microsoft" is not exactly a true statement.

Major reasons MSFT won't be releasing source code like that:

(1) Some components are still in use.  Microsoft does not rewrite their OS from 
scratch with each new version and while Windows 10 is very different than 
Windows Me, it's still an x86 OS.

(2) There may be pieces they licensed or are under others' copyrights.  Sorting 
that out is non-trivial.  This is true especially of things like drivers.

(3) Source code often reveals the inner workings of companies and products.  
It's not unusual to see things like "we put this in because our other product 
has a bug and we have to compensate" and comments like that.  Not to mention 
profanity :-)

(4) Many times old source code hides other embarrassing (or semi-embarrassing) 
secrets.  There was a leak of Windows 2000 many years ago and I read that it 
had comments such as "(some app) breaks here so we put in this workaround to 
maintain compatibility with previous versions".  This would inevitably lead to 
all kinds of press about favoring different vendors, etc.

(5) And the big one...where's the money in releasing old source code?  It takes 
lawyers, tech people, etc. and likely would cost a fair amount of money just to 
package it up.

BTW, Microsoft has (or at least at one time had) various programs where 
universities had access to the source code, but that was under NDA.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Issue installing FreeDOS on Raspberry Pi 3

[Regan Russell]

> Actually Current CP/M-86 and MP/M were CP/M versions that were
> multi-user and networkable (though no Internet existed those days,
> fortunately)...

I very vaguely remember those days. I almost did a Novell Netware certificate. 
You could make a living with DBASE-II or Turbo Pascal or C with ISAM, writing 
simple software for real estate agents or booking systems for car mechanics. I 
even had nutter post-grad office partner on campus who could route between 
token ring and thick coax ethernet.

There was also this thing called concurrent DOS but I don't remember anything 
good about it, maybe it was the people I was working with at the time.

The source code to CP/M is available on the internet, I have it somewhere, I 
wonder if anyone would be nuts enough to either port it or use it, if it was 
ported.

You can run CP/M under emulation on a RPI...
https://hackaday.com/2016/10/12/raspberry-pi-boots-cpm/
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.-DtlO7b2K4HjBhbrlbWnJgEsCo=Api]
Raspberry Pi Boots CP/M
Retrocomputing is an enjoyable and educational pursuit and — of course — there 
are a variety of emulators that can let you use and program a slew of old 
computers. However, there’…
hackaday.com


From: Ralf Quint 
Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2019 4:06 AM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Issue installing FreeDOS on Raspberry Pi 3

On 9/25/2019 9:23 AM, dmccunney wrote:
> Why would they do that? To create much simpler OS for RPI than Linux. Who
> needs that whole complexity on such little SBC? CP/M would do just fine.
> No, it wouldn't.  Digital Research developed CP/M as an OS for 8 bit
> micros like the Intel 8080 and Zilog Z80.  They were single tasking
> CPUs supporting a whopping *64K* of address space.  OS, applications,
> and data all had to fit into 64K.
DR offered CP/M not only for the 8080/8085/Z80 8 bit processors, but
also for Intel 8086 (x86), Motorola 680x0 and Zilog Z8000 CPUs, and at
least the last two don't have a 64K address space limitation...
>
> The Raspberry Pi uses an ARM Cortex CPU, with a 32bit address space
> and a multi-core design.  It can run a full multi-user, multitasking
> OS like Linux, and does.  And ARM CPUs are often used in Internet of
> Things devices.  The critical point is the the CPU can run a full
> TCP-IP networking stack, and become a node *on* the Internet.  A
> second critical point is the the costs of such CPUs have dropped to
> the point where you *can* affordably use something like a a 32bit ARM
> CPU in an embedded device.

Actually Current CP/M-86 and MP/M were CP/M versions that were
multi-user and networkable (though no Internet existed those days,
fortunately)...

Ralf



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