Re: [Freedos-user] DOS diagnostic tools?

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Version 6.1(?) now boots USFI(?). previous versions booted FreeDOS to run SpinEite.Please see www.grc.comThis clown speaks for himselfOn May 19, 2024, at 8:30 AM, tsiegel--- via Freedos-user  wrote:
  

  
  
Yep, that's the one.


On 5/19/2024 2:54 AM, Omar Yabar via
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Do
  you mean Spinrite? in this link there are 5 versions 
  https://winworldpc.com/product/spinrite/1x

Yahoo
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Re: [Freedos-user] PC-Outline

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I thought PC-Outline was a great programming tool, I tried the Windows and it 
was horrible!! It corrupted outlines.

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> On Apr 6, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I have, and still use, PC-Outline on a FreeDos partition. I think I first
>> installed it on a computer in the mid 1980's.  I consider it, even now,
>> one of the most elegant pieces of software I've ever used.  Can anyone tell
>> me who created this program, and if that person is still around?
> 
> I Googled "PC-Outline" which led to a page saying it was created by
> Brown Bag Software.  I then Googled "PC-Outline brown bag" and came up
> with this Wikipedia page:
> 
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Bag_Software_v._Symantec_Corp.
> 
> It says it was created by John L. Friend in 1987.  It seems he sold the
> rights to it to Brown Bag Software, and although he agreed not to write
> another similar program, he did anyway and sold it to Symantec, who were
> then sued by Brown Bag.  Which is ironic since apparently John created
> PC-Outline after being inspired by one of Symantec's earlier programs
> called ThinkTank.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS update

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I’ve been looking for years for a language/package that makes it simpler to 
generate graphs & charts. So far the best alternative I’ve found so far is MS 
Excel. Does Ruby or Python have graphics?

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> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:08 PM, ZB  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:34:36AM -0400, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
> 
>> Do you know if this includes BLT?
>> 
>> This clown speaks for himself
> 
> If the above was about me, I really have no idea, why you called me like that.
> 
> Do you really think that presently TCL has such strong presence among coders
> as, for example, Python has?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS

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Only a little? I need to try harder then

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> 
> Nice but I like Dennis' s version better.
> I think I detect a little bit of ego, here.
> 
> cheers
> DS
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 10:53:30 -0400 Wayne Dernoncourt 
> writes:
>> I used Tck & Tk along BLT (not Bell Lab Tech) to automate the 
>> generation of X-Y plots from CSV files generated by legacy Unix 
>> FOTRAN code, it also ran on Win97 boxes (~15 years ago). Really 
>> great stuff.
>> 
>> This clown speaks for himself
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Dale E Sterner  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I really hate to show my ignorance but asking dumb
>>> questions is the only way to learn. What is Tcl for DOS
>>> and what is it used for..
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> DS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:55:38 -0700 Ben Collver 
>> 
>>> writes:
>>>> I recently built Tcl for DOS using DJGPP.  This is based on the 
>> work 
>>>> of 
>>>> Georg Potthast and Viktor Wagner.  These builds include Ck and 
>>>> Sqlite. 
>>>> Below are download links for Tcl 8.5.19 and Tcl 8.6.9.
>>>> 
>>>> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos
>>>> 
>>>> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos
>>>> 
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>>> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
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>>> 
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> **>>>>
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> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Tcl for DOS

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

I used Tck & Tk along BLT (not Bell Lab Tech) to automate the generation of X-Y 
plots from CSV files generated by legacy Unix FOTRAN code, it also ran on Win97 
boxes (~15 years ago). Really great stuff.

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> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> 
> I really hate to show my ignorance but asking dumb
> questions is the only way to learn. What is Tcl for DOS
> and what is it used for..
> 
> cheers
> DS
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:55:38 -0700 Ben Collver 
> writes:
>> I recently built Tcl for DOS using DJGPP.  This is based on the work 
>> of 
>> Georg Potthast and Viktor Wagner.  These builds include Ck and 
>> Sqlite. 
>> Below are download links for Tcl 8.5.19 and Tcl 8.6.9.
>> 
>> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.5.19-for-dos
>> 
>> https://archive.org/download/tcl-8.6.9-for-dos
>> 
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> **
> From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry
> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052
> ***
> 
> 
> Praise Jesus! Daily Bible Verses To Keep The Faith
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user Digest, Vol 1361, Issue 1

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

I’m going to try and dual boot Windows7 & FreeDOS, I’m not sure which order to 
do after I shrink the C drive (create a partition visible to both Win7 & 
FreeDOS?)
 - install FreeDOS to target partition
 - install GAG

I’m looking for advice on the order that yields the most success 

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On Jan 20, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Γιώργος Κωστόπουλος  wrote:

>> 
>> This is where my question comes in. I know with vanilla DOS's fdisk, you
>> are only allowed to create one primary partition. However, does FreeDOS's
>> fdisk allow you to create more than one primary partition?
>> 
>> This is the crux of the whole plan. If I can confirm that FreeDOS's
>> fdisk has that ability, I can try his solution and hopefully have it work.
>> Hence, I joined this mailing list to find the answer.
>> 
>> Sorry for rambling on. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
>> -- next part --
> 
> 
> Hi Kyle :-)
> 
> 1) Personally I recommend GParted's Live CD, but if you want to go the
> pure DOS way, any FDISK variant will do.
> https://gparted.org/index.php
> 
> A word of caution: If you have Linux installed with GParted installed
> on it, avoid using it and stick to Live CD (unless you know exactly
> what you are doing).
> 
> 2) Did you made your mind if you gonna let Windows installations to
> see each other?
> Personally I strongly recommend NOT to do that, unless you know
> exactly what are you doing.
> 
> In any case the boot manager will help you achieve that.
> Any FreeDOS based boot manager will do. My personal preference at past
> (when I was faced this problem, many years ago), was GAG.
> What I liked at GAG at most is (Quoting from it's features description):
> "Hides the primary partitions which allows the user to have installed
> more than one DOS and/or Windows in the same hard disk."
> 
> Feel free to give it a try.
> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Good Luck with it! ;-)
> Giorgos.
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[Freedos-user] Booting HP & Lenovo

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From: Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com>

I've been trying to get FreeDOS to boot an HP desktop & a Lenovo laptop.  The
HP starts to boot the CD-ROM and the last message on the screen is Init disk
and some periods.  How can I figure out what is wrong. Note that the same CD
boots Dell & Gateway computers.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Booting HP & Lenovo

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From: Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com>

Well, I'm not sure what BIOS settings are appropriate beyond booting from the
CD/DVD.  I'll look at the settings tomorrow night.

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> On Apr 8, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>
> Just tossing out an idea.
> Have you checked the configurations in the bios? By which i mean the
> settings set there for all of your hardware?
> Brand does not a uniform experience make largely because different
> machines have different configurations if that makes sense.
> Just wandering through,
> Kare
>
>
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying to get FreeDOS to boot an HP desktop & a Lenovo laptop.
The HP starts to boot the CD-ROM and the last message on the screen is Init
disk and some periods.  How can I figure out what is wrong. Note that the same
CD boots Dell & Gateway computers.
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Booting HP & Lenovo

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Well, I'm not sure what BIOS settings are appropriate beyond booting from the 
CD/DVD.  I'll look at the settings tomorrow night.

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> On Apr 8, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
> 
> Just tossing out an idea.
> Have you checked the configurations in the bios? By which i mean the 
> settings set there for all of your hardware?
> Brand does not a uniform experience make largely because different 
> machines have different configurations if that makes sense.
> Just wandering through,
> Kare
> 
> 
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote:
>> 
>> I've been trying to get FreeDOS to boot an HP desktop & a Lenovo laptop.  
>> The HP starts to boot the CD-ROM and the last message on the screen is Init 
>> disk and some periods.  How can I figure out what is wrong. Note that the 
>> same CD boots Dell & Gateway computers.
>> 
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[Freedos-user] Booting HP & Lenovo

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I've been trying to get FreeDOS to boot an HP desktop & a Lenovo laptop.  The 
HP starts to boot the CD-ROM and the last message on the screen is Init disk 
and some periods.  How can I figure out what is wrong. Note that the same CD 
boots Dell & Gateway computers.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Booting FreeDOS on HP desktops?

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I can boot a USB stick as well on the Dells

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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com> wrote:
> 
> No floppy, I tried CD (booting SpinRite) testing a disk drive for bad spots.  
> The CD/SpinRite does boot on a Dell laptop & desktop.
> 
> This clown speaks for himself
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any advice about getting FreeDOS to boot on an HP desktop?
>>> I get a message about "Init..." and then nothing happens.  I've been trying 
>>> to get this
>>> to work for a two or three months but I haven't had a chance to fool much 
>>> with this
>>> for the past three or four weeks.
>> 
>> What have you tried? CD? Floppy? USB? Hard disk?
>> 
>> Does your machine have a traditional BIOS or only UEFI (hopefully with CSM)?
>> 
>> Worst case scenario, you can run an DOSEMU atop Linux or a different
>> emulator (e.g. VBox) atop a different host OS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Booting FreeDOS on HP desktops?

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No floppy, I tried CD (booting SpinRite) testing a disk drive for bad spots.  
The CD/SpinRite does boot on a Dell laptop & desktop.

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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone have any advice about getting FreeDOS to boot on an HP desktop?
>> I get a message about "Init..." and then nothing happens.  I've been trying 
>> to get this
>> to work for a two or three months but I haven't had a chance to fool much 
>> with this
>> for the past three or four weeks.
> 
> What have you tried? CD? Floppy? USB? Hard disk?
> 
> Does your machine have a traditional BIOS or only UEFI (hopefully with CSM)?
> 
> Worst case scenario, you can run an DOSEMU atop Linux or a different
> emulator (e.g. VBox) atop a different host OS.
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[Freedos-user] Booting FreeDOS on HP desktops?

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Does anyone have any advice about getting FreeDOS to boot on an HP desktop?  I 
get a message about "Init..." and then nothing happens.  I've been trying to 
get this to work for a two or three months but I haven't had a chance to fool 
much with this for the past three or four weeks.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.1

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Thanks to all.  Currently on vacation and having to struggle with 70F sunny 
weather - yes, it can be a struggle, I got the machine last week and 
couldn't fool with it yet.

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> On Feb 22, 2016, at 11:38 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Smart Boot Manager or Grub4DOS
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
> 
> http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/grub4dos/
> 
> SBM installs in  MBR so no need for extra partition. 
> Grub4DOS will install boot code in MBR and GRLDR in FreeDOS partition.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a boot manager?  The plan is to use Windows7 & FreeDOS.
>> 
>> This clown speaks for himself
>> 
>> > On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Try Jeremy's Partition Resizer FD Image [0][1].  You'll need an
>> > zip/archive program that decompress gzip.
>> >
>> > [0] http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/
>> > [1] http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/autogen/FDPRSZR.144.gz
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> I'm planning on installing FreeDOS on a new/old Windows machine I just
>> >> bought specifically to install FreeDOS.  But it occurred to me that there
>> >> was almost no way I was going to be able the _hooj_ (insert D Trump voice
>> >> here) amount of disk space that would be leftover that I could keep 
>> >> Windows
>> >> and shrink the existing partition and create a FreeDOS partition of a 
>> >> couple
>> >> of gigabytes and then use a boot manager.
>> >>
>> >> The main use of this machine will be to test disk drives, Windows
>> >> automatically mounts and opens the drives so it would be difficult to do 
>> >> the
>> >> "raw" I/O needed.
>> >>
>> >> This clown speaks for himself
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Corbin Davenport <davenportcor...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A little while back, I talked on here about my new FreeDOS distribution,
>> >> Cobalt. Cobalt is designed to make using DOS easier, by including
>> >> commonly-used drivers and software.
>> >>
>> >> I just released Cobalt 1.1 on GitHub (changelog and download here). It 
>> >> has a
>> >> few improvements that were suggested on this mailing list. Most notably, 
>> >> it
>> >> now includes most FreeDOS packages built-in so there's no lack of
>> >> functionality.
>> >>
>> >> The other new feature is in the installer. Cobalt's installer now
>> >> automatically detects if you have a DOS-compatible OS installed already, 
>> >> and
>> >> will allow you to 'upgrade' to Cobalt without deleting any files. I have
>> >> tested this with installations of MS-DOS 6 and 7.1, but it should work in
>> >> FreeDOS just fine.
>> >>
>> >> If anyone has any suggestions for Cobalt, let me know. All the info about
>> >> Cobalt can be found here.
>> >>
>> >> Corbin
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Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.1

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Can anyone recommend a boot manager?  The plan is to use Windows7 & FreeDOS.

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> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Try Jeremy's Partition Resizer FD Image [0][1].  You'll need an
> zip/archive program that decompress gzip.
> 
> [0] http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/
> [1] http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/autogen/FDPRSZR.144.gz
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt <way...@panix.com> wrote:
>> I'm planning on installing FreeDOS on a new/old Windows machine I just
>> bought specifically to install FreeDOS.  But it occurred to me that there
>> was almost no way I was going to be able the _hooj_ (insert D Trump voice
>> here) amount of disk space that would be leftover that I could keep Windows
>> and shrink the existing partition and create a FreeDOS partition of a couple
>> of gigabytes and then use a boot manager.
>> 
>> The main use of this machine will be to test disk drives, Windows
>> automatically mounts and opens the drives so it would be difficult to do the
>> "raw" I/O needed.
>> 
>> This clown speaks for himself
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Corbin Davenport <davenportcor...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A little while back, I talked on here about my new FreeDOS distribution,
>> Cobalt. Cobalt is designed to make using DOS easier, by including
>> commonly-used drivers and software.
>> 
>> I just released Cobalt 1.1 on GitHub (changelog and download here). It has a
>> few improvements that were suggested on this mailing list. Most notably, it
>> now includes most FreeDOS packages built-in so there's no lack of
>> functionality.
>> 
>> The other new feature is in the installer. Cobalt's installer now
>> automatically detects if you have a DOS-compatible OS installed already, and
>> will allow you to 'upgrade' to Cobalt without deleting any files. I have
>> tested this with installations of MS-DOS 6 and 7.1, but it should work in
>> FreeDOS just fine.
>> 
>> If anyone has any suggestions for Cobalt, let me know. All the info about
>> Cobalt can be found here.
>> 
>> Corbin
>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.1

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

I'm planning on installing FreeDOS on a new/old Windows machine I just bought 
specifically to install FreeDOS.  But it occurred to me that there was almost 
no way I was going to be able the _hooj_ (insert D Trump voice here) amount of 
disk space that would be leftover that I could keep Windows and shrink the 
existing partition and create a FreeDOS partition of a couple of gigabytes and 
then use a boot manager.

The main use of this machine will be to test disk drives, Windows automatically 
mounts and opens the drives so it would be difficult to do the "raw" I/O needed.

This clown speaks for himself

> On Feb 21, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Corbin Davenport  
> wrote:
> 
> A little while back, I talked on here about my new FreeDOS distribution, 
> Cobalt. Cobalt is designed to make using DOS easier, by including 
> commonly-used drivers and software.
> 
> I just released Cobalt 1.1 on GitHub (changelog and download here). It has a 
> few improvements that were suggested on this mailing list. Most notably, it 
> now includes most FreeDOS packages built-in so there's no lack of 
> functionality.
> 
> The other new feature is in the installer. Cobalt's installer now 
> automatically detects if you have a DOS-compatible OS installed already, and 
> will allow you to 'upgrade' to Cobalt without deleting any files. I have 
> tested this with installations of MS-DOS 6 and 7.1, but it should work in 
> FreeDOS just fine.
> 
> If anyone has any suggestions for Cobalt, let me know. All the info about 
> Cobalt can be found here.
> 
> Corbin
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation as standalone system

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

There is no need for sound, I don't think I even need a network connection.  
I'm looking to get a system that is at least 3-4 years old, maybe even older.  
The only reason to get a newer one is to get some extra speed.

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> On Feb 3, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Corbin Davenport <davenportcor...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would think FreeDOS would work fine on any PC with legacy boot enabled, but 
> extra stuff like USB, sound, and/or networking might need extra drivers that 
> might not be available.
> 
> Corbin
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2016 12:57 PM, "Wayne Dernoncourt" <way...@panix.com> wrote:
>> I'm planning to install Free-DOS on a standalone system to run SpinRite.  
>> I've had issues in getting FreeDOS to boot successfully on some systems (the 
>> systems seems to hang on Init...)
>> 
>> So I decided to get an older desktop with a plan to wipeout what I expect 
>> will be Windows and install FreeDOS.  I would to minimize the number of 
>> systems I need to get before being successful at getting FreeDOS to boot, 
>> what are the characteristics I need to look for.
>> 
>> BTW the Dell laptop I bought for this works pretty well, but I'm going to 
>> have problems mounting other desktop hard drives to the laptop that the 
>> desktop controller can deal with.  As I understand things, USB limits the 
>> info coming back from the drive.
>> 
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[Freedos-user] Installation as standalone system

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

I'm planning to install Free-DOS on a standalone system to run SpinRite.  I've 
had issues in getting FreeDOS to boot successfully on some systems (the systems 
seems to hang on Init...)

So I decided to get an older desktop with a plan to wipeout what I expect will 
be Windows and install FreeDOS.  I would to minimize the number of systems I 
need to get before being successful at getting FreeDOS to boot, what are the 
characteristics I need to look for.

BTW the Dell laptop I bought for this works pretty well, but I'm going to have 
problems mounting other desktop hard drives to the laptop that the desktop 
controller can deal with.  As I understand things, USB limits the info coming 
back from the drive.

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