[Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-27 Thread nospam
A floppy image will probably not be used a lot to write it on a real floppy 
today. I use it as a base to make bootable CDs according to the ElTorito 
standard. Or use it with Bochs to boot from that image.

The files on the floppy image will be enough of the FreeDOS distribution for 
most embedded applications too. I need just about half of the files on this 
bare_dos image for my applications to run. Kernel, command.com, himem.sys, 
keyboard and mouse driver plus editor, thats usually it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-27 Thread Eric Auer

Hi :-)

 So, roughly speaking, the main (bootable) disk would be:
 
 KERNEL, FreeCOM, XMGR, JEMMEX, UIDE, CTMOUSE, DOSLFN, UNZIP16,
 7ZDECODE, EDIT, SYS, FDISK, FORMAT, DISKCOPY, FDXMS286, HDPMI16,
 CWSDPMI, DOS32A, CWSTUB, XCOPY, SHCDX33F, RDISK, 

That is at least a reasonable set of drivers :-) I do miss
FDAPM in the list (note to Aitor: Please fix the regression
bug which breaks idling in EDIT, it worked in 0.7 EDITs)
and think I would not need CWSTUB / 7ZDECODE, maybe also
not HDPMI / DOS32A, maybe add an UNTGZ or UNTAR/GZIP/BZIP2?

 I know you and Eric prefer BASE plus some stuff from UTIL

It takes only 2 floppies to have ALL base with most extra
files. Depending on how much extra, you zip/drop some docs.
You could have all base binaries on 1 floppy, but too bare.
So as in my old Brezel distro, 3 disks fit base+docs+extra.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-26 Thread Jim Hall
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM, nospam nos...@georgpotthast.de wrote:
 Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works
 well:
 https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/

 Georg


FYI: I've also mirrored Rugxulo's BARE_DOS to
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/bare_dos/

I don't use a floppy drive anymore, so I can't say how well this
works. Georg thinks it works well. If others think this is a good
FreeDOS floppy mini-distro, I'll link to it from the Downloads page
on www.freedos.org.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-26 Thread Ricardus Vincente
On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 17:22 -0500, Jim Hall wrote:

 The boot image I found didn't have CDROM drivers, but added them. I
could just make an ISO of the floppies I ended up making, if you like.

 Rich...

 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM, nospam nos...@georgpotthast.de wrote:
  Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works
  well:
  https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/
 
  Georg
 
  
 FYI: I've also mirrored Rugxulo's BARE_DOS to
 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/bare_dos/
 
 I don't use a floppy drive anymore, so I can't say how well this
 works. Georg thinks it works well. If others think this is a good
 FreeDOS floppy mini-distro, I'll link to it from the Downloads page
 on www.freedos.org.
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-26 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM, nospam nos...@georgpotthast.de wrote:

 Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works
 well:
 https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/

 Georg

 FYI: I've also mirrored Rugxulo's BARE_DOS to
 http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/bare_dos/

Not sure why, esp. this much later, heh, but it's useful, I suppose.
(But like all things, it too could use an update, argh. And sources
could've been easier to grab, e.g. bundled, but that was back when I
was very disorganized. Yet another distraction. It had a list of URLs,
and 99% should be easy to find, but it's less than ideal, I admit.)

 I don't use a floppy drive anymore, so I can't say how well this
 works. Georg thinks it works well.

I have a USB floppy drive, but I haven't used it lately.

I dunno, seems pointless, very few care. Even if I bothered, honestly
things change too fast. It's just easier to update things upstream or
provide patches and let people roll their own than trying to update
binary images ten bazillion times.

 If others think this is a good
 FreeDOS floppy mini-distro, I'll link to it from the Downloads page
 on www.freedos.org.

Like I told Eric, the best way would be to make the smallest, most
useful boot disk possible with minimal dependencies and hopefully very
few things would become outdated. Then make everything else plain
.ZIPs that can be unzipped manually if someone wants more than bare
minimum.

So, roughly speaking, the main (bootable) disk would be:

KERNEL, FreeCOM, XMGR, JEMMEX, UIDE, CTMOUSE, DOSLFN, UNZIP16,
7ZDECODE, EDIT, SYS, FDISK, FORMAT, DISKCOPY, FDXMS286, HDPMI16,
CWSDPMI, DOS32A, CWSTUB, XCOPY, SHCDX33F, RDISK, 

I know you and Eric prefer BASE plus some stuff from UTIL, so
maybe that's more comprehensive. But I can't remember everything, so I
don't know what that would omit or how big it would be. But surely
something like KERNEL + COMMAND.COM is way too minimal. It should at
least be able to install to hard disk and copy its own disk.

It's just honestly a lot to think about. Maybe I'm overthinking it,
maybe I need to build QEMU for my Linux machine for testing (or use
one of the Win32 alpha builds I've seen online) for easier updating.
It's just somewhat exhausting, heh, esp. for someone like me who
always starts too many minor projects.;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-17 Thread nospam
Rugxulo has made a single floppy FreeDOS image called BARE_DOS that works 
well:
https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/

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[Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Ricardus Vincente
 I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am
looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't
boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now,
so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy.

 Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from?


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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012-09-16 15:56 (GMT-0400) Ricardus Vincente composed:

   I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am
 looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't
 boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now,
 so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy.

   Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from?

The installation CD has a menu option to create a boot floppy that should 
work from a computer with working OM and floppy devices. The only machine I 
tried it on (core2duo) gave floppy drive failure messages every time, but 
succeeded in making a bootable floppy after booting freshly installed FreeDOS 
1.1. Maybe it would work for you.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ricardus Vincente
wizardofg...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am
 looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't
 boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now,
 so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy.

  Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from?

No official floppy images, no, mostly because nobody uses them anymore.   :-(

You can probably? use something like Smart Boot Manager to boot from
CD, even if your BIOS doesn't support it, but I've not tried.

http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/smbtmgrx.zip

Alternately, you can find any old DOS boot floppy, create a very
minimal install, then copy the .ISO (split up, of course) on other
floppies, then recombine it and mount it via SHSUCDHD. Then you could
presumably install from there. Probably easier to grab if you have
working network card (NIC) and packet driver (Crynwr).

P.S. You could try older floppy images of ODIN (one disk installer)
or similar, but these may be somewhat old and outdated (but better
than nothing, I suppose):

http://odin.fdos.org/
http://www.finnix.org/Balder
https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/BARE_DOS.ZIP?attredirects=0

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Eric Auer

Hi Ricardus,

Am 16.09.2012 21:56, schrieb Ricardus Vincente:
  I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am
 looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't
 boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now,
 so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy.
 
  Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from?

While it is not official, I really like the idea of
Rugxulo's RUFFIDEA distro. It packs most BASE programs

as listed here www.freedos.org/software/?cat=base and
dozens of other small, free, often open source, goodies
on just three floppy disks. The sources are on separate
downloads which are significantly larger, ca 5-8 MB for
each floppy image. Not totally up to date, Rugxulo will
be happy to post his wish-list, but definitely one of
the best things you can do with 3 floppies! :-) Maybe
somebody wants to help updating it?

https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/

The page also has a minimal one floppy boot floppy, in
style of the old (former?) fdos.org daily build disks.

From my own experience, the OLD FreeDOS 1.0 Brezel
floppy distro experiment, two disks is an appropriate
amount of space for all BASE binaries, basic docs as
the HTMLHELP (which works even while zipped) and some
small pile of other goodies. The third disk of Brezel
was just a big zip with the doc/ directory wrapped up.
As a German-friendly distro, Brezel also contained a
German HTMLHELP and FreeCOM and localization things.

If you were to omit all text files and maybe drop a
few lesser-used apps, you CAN manage with one floppy
of running FreeDOS where MS DOS took 3 install disks
and probably more when you installed to floppies :-)

But as said, between two and four disks of FreeDOS
are just so much more fun than doing with just one.

Best, Eric :-)



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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Ricardus Vincente
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 22:39 +0200, Eric Auer wrote:

 Thanks!

 Wow. I imagined that it would be a little easier than this.

 While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for
older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to
make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see
any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no
OS currently on it.

 Rich...

 Hi Ricardus,
 
 Am 16.09.2012 21:56, schrieb Ricardus Vincente:
   I have looked around the FreeDOS web page and can't find them. I am
  looking to resurrect an old Zeos Pentium 90 that I have, but it won't
  boot from CD (its not a BIOS option), and it has no OS on it right now,
  so I am going to need to boot it from 3.5 floppy.
  
   Are there any official IMG files that I can create a boot floppy from?
 
 While it is not official, I really like the idea of
 Rugxulo's RUFFIDEA distro. It packs most BASE programs
 
 as listed here www.freedos.org/software/?cat=base and
 dozens of other small, free, often open source, goodies
 on just three floppy disks. The sources are on separate
 downloads which are significantly larger, ca 5-8 MB for
 each floppy image. Not totally up to date, Rugxulo will
 be happy to post his wish-list, but definitely one of
 the best things you can do with 3 floppies! :-) Maybe
 somebody wants to help updating it?
 
 https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/
 
 The page also has a minimal one floppy boot floppy, in
 style of the old (former?) fdos.org daily build disks.
 
 From my own experience, the OLD FreeDOS 1.0 Brezel
 floppy distro experiment, two disks is an appropriate
 amount of space for all BASE binaries, basic docs as
 the HTMLHELP (which works even while zipped) and some
 small pile of other goodies. The third disk of Brezel
 was just a big zip with the doc/ directory wrapped up.
 As a German-friendly distro, Brezel also contained a
 German HTMLHELP and FreeCOM and localization things.
 
 If you were to omit all text files and maybe drop a
 few lesser-used apps, you CAN manage with one floppy
 of running FreeDOS where MS DOS took 3 install disks
 and probably more when you installed to floppies :-)
 
 But as said, between two and four disks of FreeDOS
 are just so much more fun than doing with just one.
 
 Best, Eric :-)
 
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 01:46 PM 9/16/2012, Ricardus Vincente wrote:
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 22:39 +0200, Eric Auer wrote:

  Thanks!

  Wow. I imagined that it would be a little easier than this.

  While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for
older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to
make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see
any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no
OS currently on it.

Just hang in there, not all people are just ignoring problems like this...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread lee jones
not sure if it helps but I made this bootdisk a while back;

http://spfiles.no-ip.org/dos_bootdisk.img

I use this with an emulator called PCE which emulates an old 8086 based PC.

ljones

On 9/16/12, Ralf A. Quint free...@gmx.net wrote:
 At 01:46 PM 9/16/2012, Ricardus Vincente wrote:
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 22:39 +0200, Eric Auer wrote:

  Thanks!

  Wow. I imagined that it would be a little easier than this.

  While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for
older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to
make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see
any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no
OS currently on it.

 Just hang in there, not all people are just ignoring problems like this...

 Ralf


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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Jose Antonio Senna
Ricardus Vincente wizardofg...@gmail.com said:

 While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for
older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to
make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see
any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no
OS currently on it.

 How are you going to write the image(s) to a floppy ?

 Regards
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot floppy image files

2012-09-16 Thread Ricardus Vincente
On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 23:59 +, Jose Antonio Senna wrote:


  While I understand that FreeDOS is a modern DOS not meant just for
 older hardware, I thought that one of the purposes for FreeDOS was to
 make older hardware relevant again. From the looks of it, I can't see
 any reasonable way to get FreeDOS working on an old machine that has no
 OS currently on it.
 
  How are you going to write the image(s) to a floppy ?
 
  Regards
  JAS

 I have several friends with USB 3.5 inch drives. So they will make me a
Floppy and mail it to me.

 So weird that I have to use Snail Mail to get a way to boot my old
pentium machine!

 BTW, I think these images will do:

http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/

 Rich...


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