Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
Hi Carl, As far as I know SAMBA has begun to implement them, although there was some dispute as to reliability last time it was discussed. I agree about the porting too, I'm not even aware of a true FreeDOS network client, let alone one with these facilities? I currently have to use Microsoft's network client and drivers to be able to connect to corporate networks from FreeDOS at all. Last I checked M$ was not hosting them. Not sure what you mean here? Where did you find the DOS network drivers? About a year ago I switch our production build and test environment to FreeDOS; it relied on creating a boot environment which then connects to the Windows SMB network over TCP/IP and pulls a hardware independent image from the network to build the new workstation or server. The network part of it uses MSCLIENT 3.0 and I should have made it clear when I said Microsoft drivers I was meaning the IFS driver as opposed to the actual NIC driver! The NIC driver is of course supplied by the vendor of the NIC e.g. 3Com, Intel, Broadcom. This was perfect until head office upgraded to Windows Server 2003 and now it doesn't work because FreeDOS can't use Kerberos, or sign the SMB packets:( Looks like I'll need to use WinPE:( -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 19:06 +, Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi David, 1. LM authentication 2. SMB signing Does Samba support those things? If so then at least there is hope that one could port parts of the Samba code to DOS. I suppose the encryption code may take up significantly more memory though? As far as I know SAMBA has begun to implement them, although there was some dispute as to reliability last time it was discussed. I agree about the porting too, I'm not even aware of a true FreeDOS network client, let alone one with these facilities? I currently have to use Microsoft's network client and drivers to be able to connect to corporate networks from FreeDOS at all. Last I checked M$ was not hosting them. Where did you find the DOS network drivers? CWSIV --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
Hi Gerry, Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:02:26 + From: Gerry Hickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, two recent changes to Windows networks have relegated FreeDOS to the recycle bin: 1. LM authentication is no longer enabled once a corporation moves to Windows Server 2003. No IT manager or corporate Admin would ever agree to turn it on either, as it's a serious security risk. FreeDOS does not have a network client that can authenticate against Kerberos. 2. SMB signing is now the default on Windows networks and FreeDOS can't sign SMB packets. Does Samba support those things? If so then at least there is hope that one could port parts of the Samba code to DOS. I suppose the encryption code may take up significantly more memory though? Regards, David --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
Hi Johnson: The new machine comes with WindowsXP pre-installed and configured. Often, people immediately add software and spend a lot of time configuring it... I sure do. My experience suggests that people would rather use an old, dedicated machine than spend hours re-installing WindowsXP. I have NEVER reinstalled WindowsXP and I've dual booted at least a dozen machines. Using the Linux tools, you can shrink the WindowsXP partition IN PLACE, without affecting WindowsXP at all. (Well, WindowsXP does run chkdisk after you do this, but that's automatic. It runs exactly the same way.) I'm using a boot loader called GAG because it's the simplest to set up that I've found. Works great! Takes maybe 15 minutes to do everything (other than download and burn the Linux LiveCD that does this). Mark Johnson Lam wrote: I'm not smart, so I think the target of the dual boot should be: 1) Install FreeDOS FAT32, then install WinXP, add FreeDOS to WinXP loader (simple but I found sometimes WinXP refuse to write the boot sector if it's not MSDOS) 2) Make FAT32 partition somewhere in the WinXP installed hard disk, then use boot manager (WinXP boot loader or something like Robert Riebisch's bootmgr) Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
Hi Johnson: Johnson Lam wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:32:55 -0500, you wrote: Hi Mark, ...Partition Magic discussion...deleted If it's 100% reliable, still worth to pay them, but it's not! Not if the free alternatives work and are just as easy to use... and they are! Grab a new WindowsXP machine and do this procedure...you will be very happy with the result. :-) [...] So, it is really worth trying to modify a Linux installer to automatically re-partition the disk correctly? If you CAN do this, why not? Every piece of software have it's own value of existence. True, but it would be a LOT of work for me since I'm not a Linux expert and I don't have time right now. :-( I'm not smart, so I think the target of the dual boot should be: 1) Install FreeDOS FAT32, then install WinXP, add FreeDOS to WinXP loader (simple but I found sometimes WinXP refuse to write the boot sector if it's not MSDOS) 2) Make FAT32 partition somewhere in the WinXP installed hard disk, then use boot manager (WinXP boot loader or something like Robert Riebisch's bootmgr) No, reloading WindowsXP is too much work and takes too much time. If we can get exactly the same result more easily, without doing that, it is better that way! Rgds, Johnson. Mark --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 07:25:46 -0500, you wrote: Hi Mark, The new machine comes with WindowsXP pre-installed and configured. Often, people immediately add software and spend a lot of time configuring it... I sure do. Yes, I did the same time consuming job, so I can understand adding FreeDOS with destroying XP is a great idea. My experience suggests that people would rather use an old, dedicated machine than spend hours re-installing WindowsXP. I have NEVER reinstalled WindowsXP and I've dual booted at least a dozen machines. Reinstall XP is a PAIN. So if I can boot FreeDOS from hard disk and make GHOST (any other OpenSource choice?) them into the FreeDOS partition of flash (via USB), then I can save much time working on my own, relax. Using the Linux tools, you can shrink the WindowsXP partition IN PLACE, without affecting WindowsXP at all. (Well, WindowsXP does run chkdisk after you do this, but that's automatic. It runs exactly the same way.) I've found a guide to do this, but it seems not so easy because I'm not familiar of Linux, also it's like disintegrate a bus for a novice engineer, quite frightening. That why I want a program can did this procedure automatically (at least semi-automatic). Takes maybe 15 minutes to do everything (other than download and burn the Linux LiveCD that does this). If you can simplify the procedure or give choices to the users, for example. ask them to choose 500MB, 1GB or 4GB FAT32 instead of asking 'what is the size you want? Enter in bytes'. Some pre-defined choice is better than asking questions with size or number. Linux is GREAT but not user friendly. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
Hi Johnson: I was thinking a bit more about automating this. We MIGHT be able to grab some stuff from a Linux installer to automatically, under carefully defined conditions, shrink the NTFS partition and create a new fat32 partition. AFAIK, it can't be done under DOS at all. Partition Magic just doesn't reliably work on NTFS partitions as of 8.02 and XP Service Pack 2 (or possibly, SP 1). And, Partition Magic is expensive and has a restrictive license (use on one computer, blah, blah, blah...). Many of the Linux installers don't automate this, since computer setups vary so widely and so do the user requirements. And, the operations are quite dangerous. The last one I tried to use that automated this was dangerous and could destroy a disk if the user selected the wrong, cryptic, setup option. And, the FreeDOS SYS: command needs to be done under FreeDOS. We could, I suppose, create a multi-boot CD. Obviously, writing a batch file to automate the FreeDOS installation to a specific partition would be almost trivial, starting with ODIN. Creating an easy-to-use, up-to-date, ODIN floppy image that installs FreeDOS to a specified disk partition would be useful...I'd use it! :-) Judging from the response to Version 1.0, though, only one FreeDOS user was even interested in dual booting a new machine. It appears everyone else has already figured out how to meet their requirements. Most of the folks I know use old, dedicated machines to run DOS. So, it is really worth trying to modify a Linux installer to automatically re-partition the disk correctly? BTW, I've found a couple of people interested in doing this with MS-DOS, so they'll help iron out the disk partitioning description and installation of MS-DOS, anyway. Mark Johnson Lam wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:41:12 -0500, you wrote: Hi Mark, I am working on the next version of a procedure to add FreeDOS to almost any WindowsXP computer in a dual-boot configuration and WITHOUT destroying the WindowsXP Great, on the Internet there're some guide to this, but all of them is instructions, without a package or program to do it for you automatically. I'm using open source Linux tools to shrink the WindowsXP NTFS partition. I would like a couple of volunteers to test the Version 2.0 Alpha procedure and provide suggestions and corrections. I wish I can catch up with you, in the coming month I have a 3 weeks trip. I'll prepare a spare hard disk and install XP. You should be comfortable with DOS commands and rebooting your computer. You do NOT need any Linux experience. Good. If you would like to dual-boot a new computer with FreeDOS, and want to help test this, please send me an e-mail and I'll send you the current draft of the procedure. After a few volunteers run through it, I'll get the updated procedure posted on the web somewhere. Did you have any plan to make a small utility to go through the procedure automatically? Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
Good day, all: I am working on the next version of a procedure to add FreeDOS to almost any WindowsXP computer in a dual-boot configuration and WITHOUT destroying the WindowsXP installation. When the computer boots, you can select either WindowsXP or FreeDOS. I'm using open source Linux tools to shrink the WindowsXP NTFS partition. I would like a couple of volunteers to test the Version 2.0 Alpha procedure and provide suggestions and corrections. You should be comfortable with DOS commands and rebooting your computer. You do NOT need any Linux experience. You will need a WindowsXP computer you would like to also have FreeDOS installed on, a backup of any critical data you have on that computer, a high-speed internet link, and a CD burner. A floppy disk drive will make this easier, but is not necessary. If you would like to dual-boot a new computer with FreeDOS, and want to help test this, please send me an e-mail and I'll send you the current draft of the procedure. After a few volunteers run through it, I'll get the updated procedure posted on the web somewhere. Thanks. Mark Bailey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot WindowsXP and FreeDOS - Alpha testers needed
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:41:12 -0500, you wrote: Hi Mark, I am working on the next version of a procedure to add FreeDOS to almost any WindowsXP computer in a dual-boot configuration and WITHOUT destroying the WindowsXP Great, on the Internet there're some guide to this, but all of them is instructions, without a package or program to do it for you automatically. I'm using open source Linux tools to shrink the WindowsXP NTFS partition. I would like a couple of volunteers to test the Version 2.0 Alpha procedure and provide suggestions and corrections. I wish I can catch up with you, in the coming month I have a 3 weeks trip. I'll prepare a spare hard disk and install XP. You should be comfortable with DOS commands and rebooting your computer. You do NOT need any Linux experience. Good. If you would like to dual-boot a new computer with FreeDOS, and want to help test this, please send me an e-mail and I'll send you the current draft of the procedure. After a few volunteers run through it, I'll get the updated procedure posted on the web somewhere. Did you have any plan to make a small utility to go through the procedure automatically? Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
