Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
My printer is an old PCL 6 command language printer. Just send it a simple PCL string and it will do anything I want. New win printers have all their smarts removed and placed in a windows file. Windows now does what the inner works of the printer use to do. It forces you to use windows. cheers DS On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 07:20:45 + Thomas Mueller mueller6...@twc.com writes: Excerpt from Eric Auer: High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported. By the way: I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc. often do not support normal command languages. Instead, there is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the Winmodem case, this is often a simple soundcard. All the smart things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough to activate the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed depend on some Windows driver activating the printer at boot. What I have is Intel Hogh Definition Audio: works with FreeBSD and NetBSD current versions, but I haven't tried with FreeDOS. I've been unable to get my printer, HP LaserJet Professional 1212nf MFP working. Now I think it might be nonstandard implementation of PostScript or whatever command language. Why would HP have hplip when other printer manufacturers have no such thing? But can a laser or inkjet printer with standard interface work in FreeDOS? Considering that I can't boot FreeDOS with EMM386 or anything of that kind, I'm very reluctant to try anything too complicated with FreeDOS: leave that to FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux or Haiku. Tom - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/557063225d92263211c16mp03duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Excerpt from Eric Auer: High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported. By the way: I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc. often do not support normal command languages. Instead, there is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the Winmodem case, this is often a simple soundcard. All the smart things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough to activate the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed depend on some Windows driver activating the printer at boot. What I have is Intel Hogh Definition Audio: works with FreeBSD and NetBSD current versions, but I haven't tried with FreeDOS. I've been unable to get my printer, HP LaserJet Professional 1212nf MFP working. Now I think it might be nonstandard implementation of PostScript or whatever command language. Why would HP have hplip when other printer manufacturers have no such thing? But can a laser or inkjet printer with standard interface work in FreeDOS? Considering that I can't boot FreeDOS with EMM386 or anything of that kind, I'm very reluctant to try anything too complicated with FreeDOS: leave that to FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux or Haiku. Tom -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
It is not a virus - it is a utility to kill uncooperative TSRs or EXE files that would otherwise require a reboot (much like to linux kill command. I have used it and it works (sometimes) but I have never known it to affect other systems (of course, I don't use windows)! On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Looked it up doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If all you did was search for the filename killer.exe, then that's not exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not suggesting you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), but it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone. Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove anything. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up with google to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to destroy windows. DS . On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Hi, On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy contains it. It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos directory. Just in general Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are usually to blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection because of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual virus. It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like. Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons), but It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors just to be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the same bad heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a PE .EXE, then it's probably not for DOS. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Google is goood enough for me. I deleted it and nothing stopped working. Why don't you look it up? DS On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 10:07:35 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Hi, Looked it up doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If all you did was search for the filename killer.exe, then that's not exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not suggesting you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), but it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone. Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove anything. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up with google to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to destroy windows. DS . On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Hi, On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy contains it. It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos directory. Just in general Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are usually to blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection because of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual virus. It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like. Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons), but It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors just to be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the same bad heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a PE .EXE, then it's probably not for DOS. - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/551d5d4d6e54b5d4d0cdamp07duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
They picked a bad name for it. There isn't any doc for it. I tried killer ? to see if it would return something useful - it didn't. DS On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 11:19:11 -0400 Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com writes: It is not a virus - it is a utility to kill uncooperative TSRs or EXE files that would otherwise require a reboot (much like to linux kill command. I have used it and it works (sometimes) but I have never known it to affect other systems (of course, I don't use windows)! On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Looked it up doesn't mean much. Did you upload it or scan it? If all you did was search for the filename killer.exe, then that's not exhaustive at all. It could be literally anything. I'm not suggesting you keep it around very long (and certainly you shouldn't run it), but it's impossible to know what it is just by guessing on name alone. Like I said, even antivirus flagging it isn't enough to 100% prove anything. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I found the file while rewriting autoexec.bat then looked it up with google to see what it is used for. - it said that it is malware used to destroy windows. DS . On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 18:46:12 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Hi, On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy contains it. It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos directory. Just in general Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are usually to blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection because of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual virus. It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like. Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons), but It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors just to be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the same bad heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a PE .EXE, then it's probably not for DOS. - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/551d6030e1d4260301155st03duc -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Excerpt from Eric Auer: Hi Karen, What discouraged me from using freedos was first the for legacy games use only, suggestion on the site, That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows. and second, the lack of attention to native things like USB and networking. A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset: If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip. When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS. Many modern motherboards come with PCIE but no PCI, but I believe one could find a DOS-packet-driver-compatible rtl8139 Ethernet. Otherwise, many motherboards have the capability to boot from the network; also there are pxe and gpxe packages, also pxelinux, gpxelinux and lpxelinux in Syslinux package. So conceivably one could play diskless and boot FreeDOS or other OS from the network and still access local disks. Tom -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Apr 1, 2015 12:50 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy contains it. It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos directory. Just in general Antiviruses are very notorious for false positives, for both DOS and Windows software, even extremely innocuous stuff. Heuristics are usually to blame. Also, half the time I have to disable real-time protection because of such false positives. This is almost worse than having an actual virus. It's very inconvenient and not nearly as rare as I'd like. Not that I encourage anyone to download this (for various reasons), but It would've been better if you had uploaded the suspected file to http://www.virustotal.com to compare against many antivirus vendors just to be sure it wasn't a false positive (although some of them use the same bad heuristics). In particular, while not 100% proof, if the file is a PE .EXE, then it's probably not for DOS. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
After reading google I deleted killer.exe. Check and see if your copy contains it. It is installed by the autoexec.bat file and is located in the dos directory. DS On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: lol! On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Dale E Sterner wrote: The download contains a file called killer.exe. Google says this is virus that destroy windows system files. DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha ring The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55199a93561b21a936f08st04duc
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Download it and look at it yourself. I only know what I read. 90% of dos software has been foregotten by its makers only a few like Quiclview are still active. Corel ware is still a little active. I generally try to pay for software if possible. Sometimes the owner can't be found. They're dead or just don't want to be bothered with that old stuff. DS On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:02:18 -0700 Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com writes: On 3/31/2015 6:15 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: I installed the dos 7.1 on a 4gig cf chip. It come with a gnu licence but belongs to microsoft - strange. It looks alot like freedos ; but I think FREEDOS is better - more to it. It uses cutemouse and a bunch of Linux stuff not native to microsoft. It seems to be a legal hybrid of sorts. I think this dos 7.1 is a legal copy, Maybe from microsoft itself. Dream on... There isn't even an official MS-DOS 7.1, and most certainly not anything under a gnu license. You just have been taken for a ride... And in general, as mentioned a lot of times here already, there is no legal base for anything that is labeled abandoned ware or the like. If it has a copyright, you are bound to the license terms of that software and for all Microsoft software, that means you are not allowed to copy and distribute it. That's the reason why Jim brought FreeDOS to live in the first place... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/551c2d8d4f0b82d8d76cbmp08duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: If DOS is out of the loop, then why are you still able to run DOS files (.COM, .EXE, .BAT)?? Does Windows emulate it? Or is it really just calling back to DOS itself? What is responding to the int 21h kernel calls? sigh This is OS development 101. Do you think a new OS intended as a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run? YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with it, they absolutely will do it. It includes it. Part of the problem for Windows 9X was maintaining backwards compatibility. It needed to be able to run old 16 bit DOS apps as well as apps written for Windows. Batch files were interpreted by COMMAND.COM, and COMMAND.COM was available. In Win9x, COMMAND.COM (a DOS MZ executable) was the sole shell. So there was no other choice. In fact, most of the 16-bit Windows stuff (since Win 3.0) was DPMI-based. The 'D' stands for DOS, so it can't live without it. COM and EXE files were programs run under the OS, and Windows supported the system calls those programs used. There would be no need to call the underlying DOS, because the required stuff was part of Win98. Wrong. If there was a bug in the underlying DOS, then that exact same bug was also found under Windows. These were not two separate implementations. I repeat, DOS was a real mode loader, whose function was to load Windows. Once it had, Windows took over. Not at all. At least not in Win9x. A lot of programs (EDIT, DEBUG, EDLIN) were still DOS programs. For something like Windows XP, then definitely DOS isn't there, it's emulated in NTVDM. But to pretend that Win98 runs all by itself without DOS is a bit of a stretch. No, it isn't. Win98 needed DOS to load it. That's it. And that requirement is a consequence of X86 segmented architecture with real mode and protected mode. The machine started in real mode, and needed a real mode loader to load the protected mode OS. Not at all. DOS is far more than just a boot loader. If that's all it did, it wouldn't need separate hardware drivers or FAT / ISO9660 file system code at all. (Often there were Windows-only drivers, but DOS was still available.) NT finally removed that requirement and could be booted without DOS, but the issues of maintaining backwards compatibility made getting there a one step at a time process. At one time, MS was fiercely loyal about compatibility. (Allegedly, that's why IBM fired them from OS/2.) But that was the old days. Those days are long gone. They really don't care as much anymore. For example, they want Win32 to die in lieu of Metro (or Modern UI or whatever they're calling it now). Hasn't this already been discussed to death before? MS was later sued (and lost) for illegally bundling their DOS with their Windows. I I don't recall that, and rather doubt there was anything illegal about it. MS owned MSDOS and Windows, and could use them and bundle them as they desired. Apparently not. They lost a lot of money. They claimed that it was technically impossible to use any other DOS, but it was later shown that was totally wrong. They just didn't want anyone else to compete with them. think Caldera (or Lineo or whatever they were eventually called) even legitimately proved that they could boot Win95 atop DR-DOS. Win95 and MS-DOS weren't bundled for technical reasons, only marketing reasons. It was much closer (technically) to Windows 3.1 than most people realize. You could indeed boot Windows atop DR-DOS, but why bother? No. It was long known (and bragged about, faster!) that DR-DOS could boot Windows 3.1. That's not the issue. Microsoft intentionally bundled their MS-DOS so that nobody else (e.g. PC-DOS or DR-DOS) could run Win95. They purposely said it was impossible, but it was very easily proven otherwise. This is similar to (but worse) than the old AARD warnings. You would only be likely to do so if you already ran DR-DOS and wanted to run Windows too. And remember, DR-DOS began because DR had customers wanted a ROMmable version of DOS for embedded applications. MSDOS at the time was not architected to provide the required separation between code and data, and could not be embedded in ROM. Offering DR-DOS as a consumer product was a later development. I could be wrong, but I thought DR-DOS was meant to capitalize on the MS-DOS craze. Since PC-DOS cloned CP/M, the makers of CP/M-86 decided to clone DOS. (If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.) Of course, Novell later bought DR-DOS and made a lot of improvements. (But it was Caldera/Lineo who gave up on it.) Most folks who got Windows got it as the next
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:38:47 +0200, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: sigh This is OS development 101. Do you think a new OS intended as a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run? YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with it, they absolutely will do it. While this is generally true, in this case Dennis is correct. Anyone interested in how Windows 9x uses DOS should read this excellent overview by Windows developer Raymond Chen (his blog is full of interesting DOS/Windows history): http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/12/24/6849530.aspx And for Windows 3.x: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/05/17/10013609.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2013/02/08/10392028.aspx -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:48 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: sigh This is OS development 101. Do you think a new OS intended as a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run? YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with it, they absolutely will do it. I'm not. It appears you are. Like everybody else in private industry, MS wants survive and stay in business. Are you kidding me? They literally wasted $9 billion dollars on Skype, which had absolutely nothing to do with their core business. This isn't just expanding in normal circles, it's them constantly overstepping their bounds. And it's their right (I guess?), but it makes absolutely no sense (to me) as far as business is concerned. They also definitely didn't need to buy Minecraft either. And a lot of other things (XBox?) they didn't need as well. (Granted, other companies make crazy purchases too, but it's not always normal or good.) It's not all about survival or just making money. They have money. They have customers. But they just can never sit still. They're never happy. It's ridiculous to pretend that everything they (or any other company) do is only in the name of reasonable business demands. To do so, they have to make money. As a general rule, 80% of incremental revenue comes from doing more business with your existing customers. Do what you suggest and they stop *being* customers. Contrary to what you might wish to think, MS *isn't* stupid. It's debatable whether they are stupid or not. I never said they were, but I certainly don't understand or agree with some of their decisions. I'm far from anti-MS, but I certainly don't favor them above anyone else (even if I do, reluctantly, use Windows sometimes). I'm just not interested in their weird ways of making me do a thousand different things. They throw away more IP every year than most companies own in a lifetime. According to you, if I'm understanding correctly (probably not), they are trying to keep and attract customers. But let's face it, they throw away more customers than they gain. If only they could keep customers. Well, they have the big businesses that are so entrenched that they have no other choice. And end users couldn't care less as long as they can play games, watch videos, and email. I just wish there was some kind of (better) stability. I'm tired of the ol' Resistance is futile, upgrade or die attitude. And when you are in an environment of incremental upgrade, which the computer business is, throwing out the baby with the bathwater can be fatal. Obviously not. All the big movers do it these days. They hate legacy. Haven't you noticed my cynicism before? Legacy is a dirty word. Why else would they all constantly harp on modern? It's not a compliment to say something is obsolete or deprecated. For some reason, geeks today can't live without daily declaring everything else obsolete. Consider Netscape. They knew they needed to update their flagship Netscape Communicator 4.x product. Instead of doing what they *should* have done, and refactoring their code base and developing from there, they chose to start from scratch on brand new code. Sometimes that's unavoidable. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do that. It depends. My problem is when they throw everything away (hardware, software, UI) just to be new and different, even if there was no need. And of course constantly attack all existing customers for wanting to stick with what already worked. That kind of destructive attitude (not from Netscape, just in general) is very frustrating and annoying. That's not what I call progress or productivity. (The decision was made by a Netscape senior exec who was not a developer, and had no idea what he was asking for. Joel Spolsky, in his Joel on Software blog waxed eloquent about why it was a very bad idea.) Netscape code named the new project Mozilla, made it open source, and started hacking. You also can't give developers free reign, they make bad decisions too. It's a weird hybrid with the boss paying the bills and the developer doing all the work. But nobody (apparently) believes anymore that the customer is always right. Nowadays, it seems more like, Make 'em upgrade or they can do without. (Over and over and over again. Ad nauseum.) Time passed. More time passed. Yet more time passed. We finally got a Netscape 6 (skipping over what should have been Netscape 5), which was so buggy as to be unusable. As far as I could tell, they only released
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
I think the software NAZI's rarely bother with dos, not worth the effort anymore. I think if you own copies of the original cd's it gives you some right to make copies of contained software - reasonable use rule I think. I own a lot of copies of 95,98 me and zillions of copies have been destroyed over the years so there lots of unused licenes out there.. DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 18:07:24 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Guys, you absolutely can't be this stubborn or naive. I'm not trying to be a hardass here, but you have to avoid mistakes like this, or it'll cost ya. U.S. copyright law does not give us the right to copy things at will, esp. not commercial, proprietary software from one of the biggest companies in the world. (For pete's sake, they have 128,000+ employees, and probably more than enough lawyers with nothing better to do than harass people like us.) I know it's a drag, but just because software is old (even decades) or even no longer sold does not mean that it's abandonware or that you can do whatever you want with it, even for non-commercial private personal use. Feel free to keep/share doesn't apply at all, at least not in the U.S. And original author almost certainly didn't mean Microsoft Corporation, so nobody else can give permission. (I'm not aware of many, if any, exceptions to this, certainly not for end users.) Please, don't share such links, esp. not on a FreeDOS mailing list. For pete's sake, FreeDOS is twenty years old, explicitly to replace MS-DOS (from scratch!) because Microsoft was giving up on it (as standalone product). FreeDOS should be plenty good enough for most uses, and it is free/libre in all senses of the word (or as close as possible, for now). https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html A program is free software if the program's users have the four essential freedoms: * The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0). * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). * The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. There's nothing inherently illegal about buying or using old software. But you normally cannot override the original copyright holder without permission. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. [Fixed] Link: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/551abe725e4013e72127est01duc -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi Karen, What discouraged me from using freedos was first the for legacy games use only, suggestion on the site, That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows. and second, the lack of attention to native things like USB and networking. A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset: If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip. When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS. Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many years, have found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a fine dos usb browser that works. I have been wondering if ssh2dos still is useful - I guess it only supports older protocols and algorithms. I remember Jack complaining that even the browsers of older Windows (!) versions do not support TLS: So as SSL 3 is being phased out for being old and insecure, he can no longer use HTTPS web. I can imagine that ssh2dos and web browsers for DOS have the problem in even more severe ways. i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing. and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs. For you yes: The problem is that people often ask questions like why is there no LibreOffice and Firefox for DOS. You know that there are none. They do not, they think there can be a professional DOS which basically is like Win or Linux, just better in some unknown, magical DOS way. For people who really need DOS, freedos is a very nice DOS. Regards, Eric -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: sigh This is OS development 101. Do you think a new OS intended as a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run? YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with it, they absolutely will do it. I'm not. It appears you are. Like everybody else in private industry, MS wants survive and stay in business. To do so, they have to make money. As a general rule, 80% of incremental revenue comes from doing more business with your existing customers. Do what you suggest and they stop *being* customers. Contrary to what you might wish to think, MS *isn't* stupid. And when you are in an environment of incremental upgrade, which the computer business is, throwing out the baby with the bathwater can be fatal. Consider Netscape. They knew they needed to update their flagship Netscape Communicator 4.x product. Instead of doing what they *should* have done, and refactoring their code base and developing from there, they chose to start from scratch on brand new code. (The decision was made by a Netscape senior exec who was not a developer, and had no idea what he was asking for. Joel Spolsky, in his Joel on Software blog waxed eloquent about why it was a very bad idea.) Netscape code named the new project Mozilla, made it open source, and started hacking. Time passed. More time passed. Yet more time passed. We finally got a Netscape 6 (skipping over what should have been Netscape 5), which was so buggy as to be unusable. As far as I could tell, they only released it to get *something* out the door to demonstrate development was actually occurring. Even more time passed, and we finally got a Netscape 7 that *was* usable. But meanwhile, AOL bought Netscape, folded the Mozilla project, and transferred the code, development servers, and several million in seed funding to the non-profit Mozilla foundation who became responsible for continued development. Meanwhile, IE continued to build market share at Netscape's expense. Had Netscape done what they should have done, a new version of Netscape would have been out at least a year sooner. In the computer business these days, change happens at blinding speed, and time to market is critical. If you are an OS developer, you do not, repeat DO NOT start over from scratch. You revise and extend existing code. If you try to start over from scratch, you will be *out* of business long before your brand new product is finished. It includes it. Part of the problem for Windows 9X was maintaining backwards compatibility. It needed to be able to run old 16 bit DOS apps as well as apps written for Windows. Batch files were interpreted by COMMAND.COM, and COMMAND.COM was available. In Win9x, COMMAND.COM (a DOS MZ executable) was the sole shell. So there was no other choice. There was if you installed a third-party product like 4DOS. Win2K/NT used NTVDM to provide a DOS environment for 16 bit DOS apps, but included COMMAND.COM to run them, with 32 bit CMD.EXE as the default shell. (And if you ran a DOS app in that environment and shelled out of it, you were in 32 bit land talking to CMD.EXE at the resulting command line, not COMMAND.COM.) Every OS comes bundled with a default shell. The question is whether other shells are available. There were back in the CP/M days (ZCPR3), and continue to be. In fact, most of the 16-bit Windows stuff (since Win 3.0) was DPMI-based. The 'D' stands for DOS, so it can't live without it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_Protected_Mode_Interface. It provided a way for 16 bit real-mode applications to run in Protected Mode on a processor that offered it, assuming sufficient RAM was available, by providing a tunnel from protected mode to real mode for real mode applications. COM and EXE files were programs run under the OS, and Windows supported the system calls those programs used. There would be no need to call the underlying DOS, because the required stuff was part of Win98. Wrong. If there was a bug in the underlying DOS, then that exact same bug was also found under Windows. These were not two separate implementations. See my commentary above. If I'm writing a follow on to an existing OS, and I need backwards compatibility so my OS will run stuff written for the previous version, what *I'll* do is include the necessary code from the previous OS in the new OS kernel. I *won't* rewrite from scratch. If there are unfixed bugs in the previous OS code, they will be included along with the features. The fact that DOS bugs still exist in Win98
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi Karen, What discouraged me from using freedos was first the for legacy games use only, suggestion on the site, That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows. I think she's referring to the http://www.freedos.org front page, which says this: What is FreeDOS? FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems. FreeDOS is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better! Clearly there were many of us who enjoyed a lot of DOS games back in the day (mostly '90s), e.g. Doom or Warcraft or King's Quest 6. (Windows-only software became more prominent later on, esp. with Win95. Hexen 2, for instance, which is Quake-based, had to be backported to DOS again.) Eric is right about DOSBox being only for games, by design, but that actually doesn't use FreeDOS (or any real DOS) at all. It's strictly a 486 software-only emulator (GPL!) using SDL. It's even portable to non-x86 machines. And that is used by many companies (Gog.com, id Software, Sierra, and many more) to sell their classic game compilations for modern systems. http://www.dosbox.com/ FreeDOS is certainly not only for games, but it can still run most of them (albeit oftentimes without sound due to modern hardware SB16 incompatibility). and second, the lack of attention to native things like USB and networking. A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset: If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip. When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS. Blame the hardware engineers. Who else would even know how to write a packet driver?? Certainly not me. FreeDOS is stable, free with sources, and compatible, with many available tools and docs. It's not impossibly hard to find out how to program for it. But obviously some things are easier than others. Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many years, have found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a fine dos usb browser that works. I have been wondering if ssh2dos still is useful - I guess it only supports older protocols and algorithms. I remember Jack complaining that even the browsers of older Windows (!) versions do not support TLS: So as SSL 3 is being phased out for being old and insecure, he can no longer use HTTPS web. No offense to Jack, but he wouldn't even update his web browser, even when several better options exist (for his ancient NT 4.0). I'm not totally sure if that would actually fix his problem, but he refused to even try (that or anything else). I think he really was naive enough to think that SourceForge would fix their bug. Ugh. So that's the end of him. I can imagine that ssh2dos and web browsers for DOS have the problem in even more severe ways. Maybe. But we just don't have enough developers to do much of anything anymore. We're lucky anything still works. i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing. and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs. For you yes: The problem is that people often ask questions like why is there no LibreOffice and Firefox for DOS. You know that there are none. Thanks to various geniuses (esp. Georg), we do have Flwriter and Dillo. Hey, it's far better than nothing, and I don't see anyone trying to do any better! https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/FlWriter (Eric, you are still a genius too, of course! Not that you need my faint praise.) They do not, they think there can be a professional DOS which basically is like Win or Linux, just better in some unknown, magical DOS way. If you don't need compatibility (with DOS or anything else), you can do anything, but you'll have to do it all from scratch. Obviously part of the problem with DOS is also the advantage: extreme compatibility and stable APIs. For people who really need DOS, freedos is a very nice DOS. That's a huge understatement, but people don't even appreciate what's already here. They just have no imagination. I know I've harped on this saying a billion times, but it's true: A poor carpenter blames his tools. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, Matej, I respect your opinion, but I don't see how Dennis is correct at all here. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Matej Horvat matej.hor...@guest.arnes.si wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 08:38:47 +0200, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:09 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: sigh This is OS development 101. Do you think a new OS intended as a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run? YES!!! Are you really this naive? I'm honestly not even cynical enough for this. Lots of companies throw everything away, on purpose, and expect everyone else to just deal with it. If they can get away with it, they absolutely will do it. While this is generally true, in this case Dennis is correct. Anyone interested in how Windows 9x uses DOS should read this excellent overview by Windows developer Raymond Chen (his blog is full of interesting DOS/Windows history): http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2007/12/24/6849530.aspx In no way did I pretend that real mode MS-DOS was directly controlling the pmode or GUI stuff. But this article even says that WIN.COM was still called, and DOS was still used. It swapped back and forth to 16-bit, when needed, using VMs (presumably meaning V86 mode here). That's just normal 386 functionality, by design, and EMM386 itself always runs in V86 mode (but we still call it DOS, right?). My point was that real DOS was still present (and crucially needed, not just for DOS-only programs). Granted, Windows did have its own DPMI server, so that was not itself DOS-based, and you couldn't directly use other DPMI servers (like CWSDPMI). I'm also not saying there weren't overrides for special 32-bit disk drivers or whatnot. I just think his idea here is naive, saying that anything beyond 8086 real mode isn't DOS. That's not really true here. Just magically waving the 32-bit flag doesn't mean DOS doesn't exist anymore. (quoting): Now, there are parts of MS-DOS that are unrelated to file I/O. Those functions were still handled by MS-DOS since they were just 'helper library' type functions and there was no benefit to reimplementing them in 32-bit code -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I think the software NAZI's rarely bother with dos, not worth the effort anymore. Software national socialists don't exist, only lawyers (looking for prey). And it's their (paid) job to go after offenders. Admittedly, DOS isn't exactly worth a billion dollars, but it's still worth something. You yourself are worth something, and they can smell money a mile away. (Sorry for negative implications, I'm not anti-lawyer, but it's not exactly fun times either!) I think if you own copies of the original cd's it gives you some right to make copies of contained software - reasonable use rule I think. I own a lot of copies of 95,98 me and zillions of copies have been destroyed over the years so there lots of unused licenes out there.. You probably have licenses for your own use but not others. And they will (correctly) claim that it means that you still can't redistribute or even download from unauthorized sources, even with a fully valid license. And since this is a FreeDOS mailing list, a free/libre DOS clone, they will claim that you knew there were other (legal) options to find such software but disregarded them. Please don't push your luck. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying copyright is perfect here. But I don't want any of us (or you) to even get a stern warning, much less anything worse. P.S. Besides, FreeDOS is better! Or at least close enough / good enough. There's (almost) no reason to use anything else. If there are bugs, we need to fix them. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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Again I respect that others mileage varies. And your comment about the debian forum generated a laugh. Amen brother! In no way do I wish to suggest freedos is not a fine system for some. it is just not a fine system for me. I have almost 27 years of programs files software and the like invested in the ms edition of DOS. I still wish to sort of test drive freedos utilities. For example I would love to try the most current freedos utility for long file names. But I am not a code reading kind of girl. My computers are tools and I trust them to function, say like a pencil when I reach for them. If something goes wrong I know the reason why fairly swiftly and knowing me I would fall in that 2 % of freedos incompatibility. On the weekend the machine presently holding Linux debian will be converted tomy main dos computer, with this one open for experimenting. I personally, again speaking for myself, do not regard DOS as Legacy the way freedos is presented to the public. There is almost nothing I require doing with my main computer that cannot be done with what I amusing. Whenever I have asked here in the past about a task working in freedos I am swiftly referred to something else...which speaks volumes for how seriously, again to me at least, those working on the system take their efforts. Karen On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Don Flowers wrote: Hi Karen - Since I am the one who gave a testimonial regarding my success with the USB drivers, I feel the need to chime in. i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing. and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs. While I do not use DOS professionally. I spend more time in DOS than any other OS. I do not use Windows beyond 98SE, but use Linux for my modern computing needs I have spent the last 6 months testing various (over 200) vintage DOS applications (mostly in the productivity genre) and have found FreeDOS to be about 98% compatible. I had two programs that would not run - The Online Bible and a Collins dictionary add-in TSR for my Core WordPerfect Suite. The OLB had been a long known bug and Messrs. Auer and Rugxulo addressed the issue and provided a patch (hopefully it will be permanently implemented in the updated kernel). The dictionary TSR is all that remains that will not work and it too seems to be a kernel issue. I have found that for the relatively few number of people who actually contribute to the FreeDOS project that the support is quite impressive. (You should try getting help on the Debian forum sometime) My questions have been answered in a timely manner, I am taken as seriously as I take FreeDOS; my only regret is that as much as I love DOS/FreeDOS that I am not able to contribute beyond testing. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi Karen, What discouraged me from using freedos was first the for legacy games use only, suggestion on the site, That probably was a while ago: Now I would say this is more the target audience of dosbox, in particular for Windows. I think she's referring to the http://www.freedos.org front page, which says this: What is FreeDOS? FreeDOS is a free DOS-compatible operating system that can be used to play games, run legacy software, or support embedded systems. FreeDOS is basically like the old MS-DOS, but better! Clearly there were many of us who enjoyed a lot of DOS games back in the day (mostly '90s), e.g. Doom or Warcraft or King's Quest 6. (Windows-only software became more prominent later on, esp. with Win95. Hexen 2, for instance, which is Quake-based, had to be backported to DOS again.) Eric is right about DOSBox being only for games, by design, but that actually doesn't use FreeDOS (or any real DOS) at all. It's strictly a 486 software-only emulator (GPL!) using SDL. It's even portable to non-x86 machines. And that is used by many companies (Gog.com, id Software, Sierra, and many more) to sell their classic game compilations for modern systems. http://www.dosbox.com/ FreeDOS is certainly not only for games, but it can still run most of them (albeit oftentimes without sound due to modern hardware SB16 incompatibility). and second, the lack of attention to native things like USB and networking. A classic for networking is the realtek rtl8139 chipset: If you find no DOS driver for your new network chip, you can always plug a PCI network card with that classic chip. When some modern (gigabit-) network chip is not supported in DOS, all DOS versions are affected, not only FreeDOS. Blame the hardware engineers. Who else would even know how to write a packet driver?? Certainly not me. FreeDOS is stable, free with sources, and compatible, with many available tools and docs. It's not impossibly hard to
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
The download contains a file called killer.exe. Google says this is virus that destroy windows system files. DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha ring The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55199a93561b21a936f08st04duc - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
lol! On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Dale E Sterner wrote: The download contains a file called killer.exe. Google says this is virus that destroy windows system files. DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha ring The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55199a93561b21a936f08st04duc - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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On 3/30/2015 12:23 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run *MS*-DOS 7.1 is using a hacked version of Windows 9x. (- that's a period) Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55199a93561b21a936f08st04duc -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sharing The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55199a93561b21a936f08st04duc -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Thanks DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:58:23 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ODz45fOUKVN0F1LWh5SHNqd0E/view?usp=sha ring The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/carbon-os/! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55199a93561b21a936f08st04duc - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Guys, you absolutely can't be this stubborn or naive. I'm not trying to be a hardass here, but you have to avoid mistakes like this, or it'll cost ya. U.S. copyright law does not give us the right to copy things at will, esp. not commercial, proprietary software from one of the biggest companies in the world. (For pete's sake, they have 128,000+ employees, and probably more than enough lawyers with nothing better to do than harass people like us.) I know it's a drag, but just because software is old (even decades) or even no longer sold does not mean that it's abandonware or that you can do whatever you want with it, even for non-commercial private personal use. Feel free to keep/share doesn't apply at all, at least not in the U.S. And original author almost certainly didn't mean Microsoft Corporation, so nobody else can give permission. (I'm not aware of many, if any, exceptions to this, certainly not for end users.) Please, don't share such links, esp. not on a FreeDOS mailing list. For pete's sake, FreeDOS is twenty years old, explicitly to replace MS-DOS (from scratch!) because Microsoft was giving up on it (as standalone product). FreeDOS should be plenty good enough for most uses, and it is free/libre in all senses of the word (or as close as possible, for now). https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html A program is free software if the program's users have the four essential freedoms: * The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0). * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2). * The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. There's nothing inherently illegal about buying or using old software. But you normally cannot override the original copyright holder without permission. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid not (it's a rather hefty 11MB), but I did upload it to my Google Drive as a public file. Feel free to keep/share the file, the original author's site went down a long time ago and I had it saved on a flash drive for some reason. [Fixed] Link: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx The installation script is rather interesting, as it uses a combination of a batch script executables to make something that looks a lot like the old Windows install program. I re-used parts of it as the installation for my FreeDOS distro Carbon OS! On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Is the iso file small enough to email? DS On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:41:12 -0400 Corbin Davenport davenportcor...@gmail.com writes: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Regarding use of the usb driver, I have been using it for a couple of years, mainly to transport data from my office dos network to a linux computer. The OS is MS-DOS 7.1 (from windows98 so I can read fat32) and 4dos 7.0. You only issue is the usb device that is plugged in when you boot up is what is available. (cannot swap a different device unless they improved that). I have only used usb sticks so far. John -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, I have no idea if you can still buy full MS-DOS from MSDN subscriptions. But there is a small system floppy still available in Windows Explorer. (Other options, esp. downloading from questionable web sites, are NOT recommended.) EDIT: (quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Developer_Network ): An MSDN subscription also allows access to obsolete software from Microsoft's past. Although they aren't included in the regular CD/DVD shipments, subscribers can download old software such as MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. Such software usually comes in the form of ISO or floppy disk image files that allow the subscriber to reproduce the original installation media after the download. Just for completeness, here's the contents (from Win7's DISKCOPY.DLL) of the minimal system floppy: === Extract NT - Extract file in wImage - V 2.10 (c) 1991-96 Gilles Vollant Visit web page : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvollant/extract.htm image file : MSDOS-FLOPPY-IMG\msdos.img no label COMMAND.COM 93040 04.18.105 05:54p DISPLAY.SYS 17175 04.18.105 05:54p EGA.CPI 58870 04.18.105 05:54p EGA2.CPI58870 04.18.105 05:54p EGA3.CPI58753 04.18.105 05:54p IO.SYS 116736 04.18.105 05:54p KEYB.COM21607 04.18.105 03:04a KEYBOARD.SYS34566 04.18.105 05:54p KEYBRD2.SYS 31942 04.18.105 05:54p KEYBRD3.SYS 31633 04.18.105 05:54p KEYBRD4.SYS 13014 04.18.105 05:54p MODE.COM29239 04.18.105 05:54p MSDOS.SYS 9 04.18.105 05:54p 565454 bytes in 13 files, 889344 bytes free === So this is not hard to find (if you already have Windows), although admittedly you can't really install it elsewhere (e.g. hard disk) because it lacks FDISK, FORMAT, and SYS. But presumably you could use the FreeDOS variants of those tools to help you. RUFUS does (optionally, in addition to including FreeDOS) support installing exactly this to your USB jump drive, if desired. P.S. At risk of stating the extremely obvious: why would anybody on a freedos-user mailing list still need (or care) about running MS-DOS at all?? I know there are some minor bugs and lacks, but they are very few and far in between. Seriously, if there are still major bugs in FreeDOS, we need to identify and fix them, not hide them under the rug by always running back to (very old, hard to find) MS-DOS. The U.S. legal system just is not on our side here, so MS-DOS is far from ideal. At least FreeDOS is free/libre, that was the whole point! So just use that, and don't worry. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi, did not realize there was an 8.0 of ms dos. I don't suppose the same technique que is possible to create the 8.0 edition as a stand alone? Just wondering. Karen -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John R. Sowden jsow...@americansentry.net wrote: Regarding use of the usb driver, I have been using it for a couple of years, mainly to transport data from my office dos network to a linux computer. Have you tried mTCP's FTPSRV? The OS is MS-DOS 7.1 (from windows98 so I can read fat32) and 4dos 7.0. Most OSes support FAT32 these days (including FreeDOS, natch). Only really old ones (MS-DOS 6.22, DR-DOS 7.03) don't. Not sure about PC-DOS, allegedly the newer updates in IBM's Server Scripting Toolkit support it, but I wasn't clear on what their licensing was, so I never bothered finding out. Similarly, EDR-DOS, I never bothered to try (sorry, Udo). You only issue is the usb device that is plugged in when you boot up is what is available. (cannot swap a different device unless they improved that). I have only used usb sticks so far. At least my Lenovo desktop and Dell laptop both support it in the same way, even booting from it, thanks to BIOS support. So I can easily create a bootable USB (via RUFUS), and it'll work transparently. IIRC, this Lenovo machine doesn't support UHCI (for Bret's drivers), only EHCI, so I'm out of luck on that. Not sure about my (recently half-resurrected) Dell P4 (circa 2002). Dunno what kind of USB it has. But I know that it won't boot USB without help, e.g. PLoP Boot Manager. After so many years, the CD-ROM and hard disk both gave out, so currently my brother boots it to (old) PuppyLinux via USB via PLoP floppy. I actually today noticed that the P4 has RealTek 8139, so I was vaguely curious if packet driver would work. It does. However, there's a small caveat in that (for whatever obscure reason, PLoP limitation?) my RUFUS-created (and modified by me) USB is write-protected once booted. But since I wasn't doing anything major (and most work was done on RAM disk), it didn't majorly matter. I just modified it while mounted under a different computer. So it works there too, with small limitations. But no, there's no great way to swap USB drives (except if Bret's stuff supports your machine). Nevertheless, it's better than nothing. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, did not realize there was an 8.0 of ms dos. I don't suppose the same technique que is possible to create the 8.0 edition as a stand alone? Just wondering. Karen On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Corbin Davenport wrote: It's possible to use MS-DOS 7.1 standalone by creating a backup disk using Windows 98, I believe (Windows 95 was 7.0, and ME was 8.0). If anyone's interested, I have an MS-DOS 7.1 ISO with an installation script that someone uploaded years ago to some abandonware site that is no longer live. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
I have the package, but not the link. If you google it I am sure it will appear. pc dos 7.1 goes back a bit does it not? granted the 7.1 package is about a decade or so old now, but the utilities are slightly more current. Karen On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Dale E Sterner wrote: Where did you get ms dos 7.1 as a stand alone package without Windows? I use PC dos 7.1 alone but have never seen a MS version. DS On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net writes: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen - - Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Reverse Mortgage How Much Money Can You Really Get for Reverse Mortgage? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/55198fd5708dfd45dc3mp02duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run MS-DOS 7.1 is using a hacked version of Windows 9x. (- that's a period) Actually, no. Just like previous versions of Windows, 9x is simply a DOS application, not an Operating System. Windows 3.x called itself an Operating Environment (not an Operating System), which is fairly accurate. You don't need to hack Windows 9x to get rid of the Windows part and keep the DOS part. All you need to do is edit the MSDOS.SYS file to keep the DOS application called Windows from trying to load automatically. MSDOS.SYS is a plain ASCII text file, similar in many respects to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. From the DOS command line you can simply enter win to run the Windows application if you want to, just like you could with all of the previous versions of Windows. I personally don't consider any of that to be hacking, merely configuring, though I suppose some others might disagree. For your Windows 9x / MS-DOS 7.x to be legal, it should have been purchased or donated (either directly or indirectly) from MS. That could include any of the millions of copies that were legally purchased at one time, and donated/sold (or abandoned and left in the trash heap?) to someone else when they weren't needed by the original purchasers any more. MS wouldn't even accept money from you if you tried to buy a new legal copy from them nowadays, of course, because they don't actually have anything to sell and there would be at least an implied obligation on their part to provide some support for it (along with a host of other reasons). But, that's an entirely separate and complicated conundrum with legal, ethical, and logical aspects. Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: Win98 is a protected mode OS, and DOS serves as a real mode loader. Once Win98 is up and running, DOS is out of the loop, and Win98 *is* the OS. If DOS is out of the loop, then why are you still able to run DOS files (.COM, .EXE, .BAT)?? Does Windows emulate it? Or is it really just calling back to DOS itself? What is responding to the int 21h kernel calls? For something like Windows XP, then definitely DOS isn't there, it's emulated in NTVDM. But to pretend that Win98 runs all by itself without DOS is a bit of a stretch. Hasn't this already been discussed to death before? MS was later sued (and lost) for illegally bundling their DOS with their Windows. I think Caldera (or Lineo or whatever they were eventually called) even legitimately proved that they could boot Win95 atop DR-DOS. Win95 and MS-DOS weren't bundled for technical reasons, only marketing reasons. It was much closer (technically) to Windows 3.1 than most people realize. I'm not sure why they bothered. Obviously NT had much higher requirements back then (mid '90s), e.g. 16 MB minimum (and 80 MB disk space?) while Win95 could (very slowly) run atop a 4 MB 386. They wouldn't even fix NTVDM bugs for Quake (from id Software, compiled for DOS via DJGPP) because NT wasn't for games! But that's all lost to the sands of time now that XP fully replaced Win9x for home users. (2000 first added Win9x-era LFNs and FAT32, but even that wasn't yet targeted at home users, hence we were only offered Windows ME.) -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing. and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs. FreeDOS takes itself seriously, but is constrained by scarce development resources. There aren't many people contributing code, and those that are do so in their spare time as a hobby, and do other things to make a living. Programmers making a living coding get *paid* for what they do. The money is elsewhere these days. Want the kind of attention you desire for FreeDOS to meet your professional needs? Offer to pay developers who can provide it a living wage for doing so. Otherwise, settle for what you can get. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Hi, Actually good question. I have never run windows on any of my machines. What discouraged me from using freedos was first the for legacy games use only, suggestion on the site, and second, the lack of attention to native things like USB and networking. Dos is stable, I have been running the package I referenced for many years, have found packages like ssh2dos for my networking, and now a fine dos usb browser that works. i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing. and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs. I have my computers built to run dos, this one I am using now is a p3, with my next also a p3 with an 800ghz processor. I have nothing about which to worry, I am running the best dos for me. Karen On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, I have no idea if you can still buy full MS-DOS from MSDN subscriptions. But there is a small system floppy still available in Windows Explorer. (Other options, esp. downloading from questionable web sites, are NOT recommended.) EDIT: (quoting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Developer_Network ): An MSDN subscription also allows access to obsolete software from Microsoft's past. Although they aren't included in the regular CD/DVD shipments, subscribers can download old software such as MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 from MSDN Subscriber Downloads. Such software usually comes in the form of ISO or floppy disk image files that allow the subscriber to reproduce the original installation media after the download. Just for completeness, here's the contents (from Win7's DISKCOPY.DLL) of the minimal system floppy: === Extract NT - Extract file in wImage - V 2.10 (c) 1991-96 Gilles Vollant Visit web page : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gvollant/extract.htm image file : MSDOS-FLOPPY-IMG\msdos.img no label COMMAND.COM 93040 04.18.105 05:54p DISPLAY.SYS 17175 04.18.105 05:54p EGA.CPI 58870 04.18.105 05:54p EGA2.CPI58870 04.18.105 05:54p EGA3.CPI58753 04.18.105 05:54p IO.SYS 116736 04.18.105 05:54p KEYB.COM21607 04.18.105 03:04a KEYBOARD.SYS34566 04.18.105 05:54p KEYBRD2.SYS 31942 04.18.105 05:54p KEYBRD3.SYS 31633 04.18.105 05:54p KEYBRD4.SYS 13014 04.18.105 05:54p MODE.COM29239 04.18.105 05:54p MSDOS.SYS 9 04.18.105 05:54p 565454 bytes in 13 files, 889344 bytes free === So this is not hard to find (if you already have Windows), although admittedly you can't really install it elsewhere (e.g. hard disk) because it lacks FDISK, FORMAT, and SYS. But presumably you could use the FreeDOS variants of those tools to help you. RUFUS does (optionally, in addition to including FreeDOS) support installing exactly this to your USB jump drive, if desired. P.S. At risk of stating the extremely obvious: why would anybody on a freedos-user mailing list still need (or care) about running MS-DOS at all?? I know there are some minor bugs and lacks, but they are very few and far in between. Seriously, if there are still major bugs in FreeDOS, we need to identify and fix them, not hide them under the rug by always running back to (very old, hard to find) MS-DOS. The U.S. legal system just is not on our side here, so MS-DOS is far from ideal. At least FreeDOS is free/libre, that was the whole point! So just use that, and don't worry. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi, did not realize there was an 8.0 of ms dos. I don't suppose the same technique que is possible to create the 8.0 edition as a stand alone? Just wondering. Karen -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Bret Johnson bretj...@juno.com wrote: Because there is no such thing. Anyone claiming to run MS-DOS 7.1 is using a hacked version of Windows 9x. (- that's a period) Actually, no. Just like previous versions of Windows, 9x is simply a DOS application, not an Operating System. Windows 3.x called itself an Operating Environment (not an Operating System), which is fairly accurate. Win 3.X was a multi-tasking protected mode GUI shell on top of DOS. Win95 began the process of moving to 32 bit code. Win98 took it further. Win98 is a protected mode OS, and DOS serves as a real mode loader. Once Win98 is up and running, DOS is out of the loop, and Win98 *is* the OS. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:59 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: Win98 is a protected mode OS, and DOS serves as a real mode loader. Once Win98 is up and running, DOS is out of the loop, and Win98 *is* the OS. If DOS is out of the loop, then why are you still able to run DOS files (.COM, .EXE, .BAT)?? Does Windows emulate it? Or is it really just calling back to DOS itself? What is responding to the int 21h kernel calls? sigh This is OS development 101. Do you think a new OS intended as a followup to an existing product throws out the baby with the bathwater and does everything differently, so existing apps won't run? It includes it. Part of the problem for Windows 9X was maintaining backwards compatibility. It needed to be able to run old 16 bit DOS apps as well as apps written for Windows. Batch files were interpreted by COMMAND.COM, and COMMAND.COM was available. COM and EXE files were programs run under the OS, and Windows supported the system calls those programs used. There would be no need to call the underlying DOS, because the required stuff was part of Win98. I repeat, DOS was a real mode loader, whose function was to load Windows. Once it had, Windows took over. For something like Windows XP, then definitely DOS isn't there, it's emulated in NTVDM. But to pretend that Win98 runs all by itself without DOS is a bit of a stretch. No, it isn't. Win98 needed DOS to load it. That's it. And that requirement is a consequence of X86 segmented architecture with real mode and protected mode. The machine started in real mode, and needed a real mode loader to load the protected mode OS. NT finally removed that requirement and could be booted without DOS, but the issues of maintaining backwards compatibility made getting there a one step at a time process. Hasn't this already been discussed to death before? MS was later sued (and lost) for illegally bundling their DOS with their Windows. I I don't recall that, and rather doubt there was anything illegal about it. MS owned MSDOS and Windows, and could use them and bundle them as they desired. think Caldera (or Lineo or whatever they were eventually called) even legitimately proved that they could boot Win95 atop DR-DOS. Win95 and MS-DOS weren't bundled for technical reasons, only marketing reasons. It was much closer (technically) to Windows 3.1 than most people realize. You could indeed boot Windows atop DR-DOS, but why bother? You would only be likely to do so if you already ran DR-DOS and wanted to run Windows too. And remember, DR-DOS began because DR had customers wanted a ROMmable version of DOS for embedded applications. MSDOS at the time was not architected to provide the required separation between code and data, and could not be embedded in ROM. Offering DR-DOS as a consumer product was a later development. Most folks who got Windows got it as the next step beyond DOS, and wanted to simply install it and run it. They did not want to first install a flavor of DOS and then install Windows on top of it. And then, as now, people generally bought Windows PCs with the OS already installed by the vendor. I remember the early days when the PC was first out, and MSDOS/PCDOS, Digital Research CP/M 86, and the UCSD P-system were all fighting for a chunk of the PD market. MS won. The others lost. Deal with it. I'm not sure why they bothered. Obviously NT had much higher requirements back then (mid '90s), e.g. 16 MB minimum (and 80 MB disk space?) while Win95 could (very slowly) run atop a 4 MB 386. They wouldn't even fix NTVDM bugs for Quake (from id Software, compiled for DOS via DJGPP) because NT wasn't for games! But that's all lost to the sands of time now that XP fully replaced Win9x for home users. (2000 first added Win9x-era LFNs and FAT32, but even that wasn't yet targeted at home users, hence we were only offered Windows ME.) MS was focused on business users (and still is - Win10 is very much geared to the Enterprise market ). NT was aimed at the business desktop. Part of the problem from an OS perspective was that games for platforms like DOS assumed they were the only program running and owned the hardware, and would write directly to the hardware to get performance. That's a no-no in a multitasking OS. It took a while before MS realized that gaming was market and money could be made in it, and did things like implement Direct-X to provide OS modulated access to the hardware that games needed. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Or I can do what I am doing right now. works for me, and I respect others mileage varies. Karen On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, dmccunney wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: i use dos exclusively daily for all my computing. and still sometimes get the sense here that freedos does not take itself seriously enough for me to consider it for my professional needs. FreeDOS takes itself seriously, but is constrained by scarce development resources. There aren't many people contributing code, and those that are do so in their spare time as a hobby, and do other things to make a living. Programmers making a living coding get *paid* for what they do. The money is elsewhere these days. Want the kind of attention you desire for FreeDOS to meet your professional needs? Offer to pay developers who can provide it a living wage for doing so. Otherwise, settle for what you can get. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
Do you have the link ? -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant Hackreperneur Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 Office: 916-382-9395 Affordable web hosting | http://digitalatoll.com/ | http://www.digitalatoll.net/ | http://www.tawhakisoft.com/ Domain for sale : http://norcalhost.com/ On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos usb driver!
I posted it previously, do you want it again? Or I can just send the file to you privately? Karen On Sun, 29 Mar 2015, Christopher Evans wrote: Do you have the link ? -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant Hackreperneur Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 Office: 916-382-9395 Affordable web hosting | http://digitalatoll.com/ | http://www.digitalatoll.net/ | http://www.tawhakisoft.com/ Domain for sale : http://norcalhost.com/ On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi all, I shared the link to a dos USB driver a while back. While some questioned the reasonable nature of using the drive I am very happy to report it is fantastic. The driver recognizes a 160 gb external USB hard drive, allowing me to partition and format the drive for my backup uses. Granted I am using ms dos 7.1, a stand alone package, not under windows in any way. I am not using freedos. Likewise my machine is a p3 with a great deal of memory and the like. Still I could not be more pleased with the driver and recommend it for any dos users to at least explore. Karen -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
Hi Folks, Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am sharing. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? V-day wishes, Kare -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi Folks, Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am sharing. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? Well, to quote the site: Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist letters. Explore at your own risk. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
oh lol! I forgot about that...not an issue for me, but that might be a problem for others. On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ralf Quint wrote: On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi Folks, Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am sharing. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? Well, to quote the site: Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist letters. Explore at your own risk. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
I use these drivers, working on 2 modern machines w/o floppy drives downloading files, and 4 vintage laptops with usb 1.1 , transferring files back and forth, They perform flawlessly and save a lot of cdrom burning. Works on both FAT16 and FAT32 but not on Compaq DOS 3.31 (need 4.0 or higher). On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: oh lol! I forgot about that...not an issue for me, but that might be a problem for others. On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Ralf Quint wrote: On 2/14/2015 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi Folks, Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am sharing. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? Well, to quote the site: Knowledge of the Japanese language might be required to read and understand the Panasonic licence agreement or the cease-and-desist letters. Explore at your own risk. Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel. -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant, Systems Administrator, Programmer, PC technician, and Hackreperneur Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 | http://www.tawhakisoft.slyip.net/ http://www.tawhakisoft.com/ Office: 916-382-9395 | http://www.digitalatoll.com/ Skype: chris.evans450 | http://norcalhost.com/ http://norcalhost.slyip.net/ On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi Folks, Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am sharing. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? V-day wishes, Kare -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
On 2/14/2015 5:01 PM, Christopher Evans wrote: Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel. Did you see my previous reply? Apparently not... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Christopher Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote: Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel. Nope. Panasonic proprietary. Driver binaries may be found at the site Karen referenced: http://www.pcxt-micro.com/download/dos-usb.zip See the page Karen referenced for usage information. -Chris Evans __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
What happened with the USBDRIVE set that was on the first FreeDOS 1.1 CD? These worked fairly well for me, but I did experience more hanging that with the ASPI driver. Personally, I hate using ASPI drivers, but for one drive at a time, these are perfect. On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:17 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Christopher Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote: Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel. Nope. Panasonic proprietary. Driver binaries may be found at the site Karen referenced: http://www.pcxt-micro.com/download/dos-usb.zip See the page Karen referenced for usage information. -Chris Evans __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] dos USB driver.
Hi Chris, I am not sure as the page does not reference this. Still, I tend to doubt they would. Panasonic wrote them. I do wonder how they would feel about providing the code if they knew some had a desire for it though. Kare On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Christopher Evans wrote: Do those come with Open source code ? I tried to write a USB driver for NX-DOS, it might be good idea to integrate these into the kernel. -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant, Systems Administrator, Programmer, PC technician, and Hackreperneur Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 | http://www.tawhakisoft.slyip.net/ http://www.tawhakisoft.com/ Office: 916-382-9395 | http://www.digitalatoll.com/ Skype: chris.evans450 | http://norcalhost.com/ http://norcalhost.slyip.net/ On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi Folks, Since USB function comes up from time to time, I am sharing the below. This in no way diminishes the fine drivers provided by Brett. Instead, someone sent it to me, and as I had not found this one before I am sharing. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-usb.html If someone has tried this one, care to share your experiences? V-day wishes, Kare -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
