Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

Killer to me yes, not for anyone o really needs to run a specific software
and usually don't have the need for audio.

I've tryed DOSBOX-X or DOSBO, can't use GameTools, can't use the
breakpoints and the constant search for the right cpu cycle.
Even tryed dosbox for dos... no GameTools.

Have no idea what HX RT, some search is in orde, look into it.

I use Virtualbox, with freedos no soud of anykind, tryed qemu and managed
to install and stop booting.

.



On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 9:02 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> > Problem solved, but the killer was no sound of any kind.
>
> That means you ONLY use DOS for games? ;-)
>
> > Just have to fallback to Virtual Machines or Emulation!
>
> Have you tried DOSBOX-X or DOSBOX inside HX RT inside DOS (!) for that?
>
> Should still have lower hardware requirements than any VM or emulation
> on top of any widespread 32-bit or 64-bit operating system ;-)
>
> Cheers, Eric
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

> Problem solved, but the killer was no sound of any kind.

That means you ONLY use DOS for games? ;-)

> Just have to fallback to Virtual Machines or Emulation!

Have you tried DOSBOX-X or DOSBOX inside HX RT inside DOS (!) for that?

Should still have lower hardware requirements than any VM or emulation
on top of any widespread 32-bit or 64-bit operating system ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

Problem solved, but the killer was no sound of any kind.
Just have to fallback to Virtual Machines or Emulation!

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:52 PM Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 12/11/2020 9:55 AM, Joao Silva wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
> > problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
> >
> > Could be because of the ntfs fat?
>
> Well, yes, that the drive is using NTFS (as is the default for any
> Windows since at least Windows XP, and btw, NTFS and FAT are mutually
> exclusive, they are different file systems) is one additional reason.
>
> The fact that the drive is likely to use GPT instead of MBR is probably
> the main reason though...
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Ralf Quint]

On 12/11/2020 9:55 AM, Joao Silva wrote:

Hi!

Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a 
problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.


Could be because of the ntfs fat?


Well, yes, that the drive is using NTFS (as is the default for any 
Windows since at least Windows XP, and btw, NTFS and FAT are mutually 
exclusive, they are different file systems) is one additional reason.


The fact that the drive is likely to use GPT instead of MBR is probably 
the main reason though...


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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Right, he couldn't see because the hdd fat was NTFS.
Steps to FDISK to see:

1. Downloaded the ntfs-paragon drivers (TSR)
2. Opened the FD12FULL.img with UltraISO
3. Added the drivers and saved the file (new name) FD12FULL-ntfs.img
4. Used Rufus to make a usb pen bootable (FreeDOS only reads USB 1 pens
maybe USB 2, not sure, can't read USB 3
5. Loaded the NTFS TSR and used FDISK to delete partitions and 2 2gb
partions were created
6. Installed FreeDOS

Tryed some games and one program:

Commander Keen in Aliens Ate My Babysitter (TSR Crack) -  (Worked fine, no
speaker, no adlib)
Outrun (Black screem)
Apogee Secret Agent EP1 Shareware - (Worked fine , no speaker)
Firestorm Thunderhawk 2 (Froze, Dos4gw, Crashed auto detecting sound)

X-Tree Gold 4 - (Worked fine)

Dos isn't dead, not for laptops or netbooks and games.

Better stick to old slim desktops/towers with old hardware.



On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:03 PM dmccunney 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
> problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
> > Could be because of the ntfs fat?
>
> Unlikely.  FreeDOS won't be able to read an NTFS file system, but you
> are reporting the FreeDOS installer doesn't even see the *disk*.
> That's a BIOS level issue.
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
>
> Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a problem, 
> can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
> Could be because of the ntfs fat?

Unlikely.  FreeDOS won't be able to read an NTFS file system, but you
are reporting the FreeDOS installer doesn't even see the *disk*.
That's a BIOS level issue.
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

Problem solve.

The hdd fat was NTFS, i found a ntfs driver for dos, load it and use fdisk
to create 2 2gb partitions and install

It seens the ntfs driver is free, i'll pass along the url to anyone who
wants it

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freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I would assume it has more to do with the mode of the disk controller.
> Check your BIOS (if it even gives you the option) to make sure it's set to
> the most PATA-compatible mode available instead of AHCI or something like
> that.
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> Hi!
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> Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
> problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
>
> Could be because of the ntfs fat?
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

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I would assume it has more to do with the mode of the disk controller. Check 
your BIOS (if it even gives you the option) to make sure it's set to the most 
PATA-compatible mode available instead of AHCI or something like that.

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[Joao Silva]

Hi!

Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install FD on a USB pendrive

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Hi,

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Bonaventura de'Vidovich
 wrote:
>
>  I'd like to install FD on a USB pendrive.
> I have tried to use the «USB "Full" installer» image but only a little bit o
> free space is avaible.

How much total capacity does your jump drive have?

> Besides the sistem looks not to run very well
> starting so from USB pendrive.

How so? Too slow? Sure, it's slower than normal hard disks, but a
software cache (and/or RAM disk) can probably mitigate that.

> How can I do?

Some other alternatives are as follows:

1). RUFUS:
* http://rufus.akeo.ie/

2). UNetBootIn:
* http://unetbootin.github.io/

3). *nix dd
* http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431

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[Freedos-user] Install FD on a USB pendrive

[Bonaventura de'Vidovich]

Hi,
 I'd like to install FD on a USB pendrive.
I have tried to use the «USB "Full" installer 
» image but only 
a little bit o free space is avaible. Besides the sistem looks not to 
run very well starting so from USB pendrive.

How can I do?
Tanks
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Re: [Freedos-user] install

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Hi,

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Péter Szőke  wrote:
> Dear Members,
>
> Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.

Why install to HDD? Why not just use a bootable USB as if it were your HDD?

> I have a notebook without optical drive.
> The notebook has Windows 10 certification.

That's not very specific. We need OEM name, model number, BIOS vendor,
cpuid, etc

> I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.

RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't find or write to your USB? Or
your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the USB booted but couldn't run?
Or it ran but couldn't install?

If RUFUS didn't work, did you try anything else? UNetBootIn? Other??

* http://unetbootin.github.io/
* https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS
* http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431

> The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.

So you could successfully run DOS programs from the booted USB?

> I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not find
> my partitions.

Change what drive? Find what partitions? You mean FAT or NTFS?

> So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.
>
> May I please beg an explanation.

The normal way to install DOS is: fdisk (create DOS partition),
reboot, format (FAT), sys (create boot sector, adjust MBR, copy kernel
and shell if needed).

You don't really need to do any other fancy methods. But again, if
your USB is booting and working and has DOS on it, why bother with HDD
at all??

P.S. Is your notebook completely barren? Does it have no other OS on
it? Have you tried installing anything else on it? Is that what you're
really trying to do, using FreeDOS at a means to help install
something else? Or is that the problem, that it "only" has Windows 10?
(You know you can also install FreeDOS under a virtual machine, right?
It's not hard.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] install

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>Its BIOS has Legacy USB support and it is enabled.
My bad, I meant to check for UEFI or Legacy option for your hard drive
operating system. For example, I have an ACER E5-571 and to use FreeDOS I
must choose the Legacy option, but I still am limited to SATA only there is
no IDE option. To intall FreeDOS I must use the Intel AHCI.SYS driver and
then I install from the ISO file via the SHSUCDHD.EXE driver.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Péter Szőke  wrote:

> I will try answer to everyone.
>
> So, I have this model:
>
> Asus k501lx-dm045d
>
> Its BIOS has Legacy USB support and it is
>
> Enabled.
>
> "Why install to HDD? Why not just use a
>
> bootable USB as if it were your HDD?"
>
> My service asked me. If I want a repair,
>
> Ihave to bring back to them the notebook
>
> in its original state.
> When buoght this notebook it had freedos
>
> operating system.
>
> "RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't
>
> find or write to your USB? Or
> your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the
>
> USB booted but couldn't run?
> Or it ran but couldn't install?"
>
> I could make a bootable pendrive by Rufus,
>
> but I could not install the freedos from
>
> it.
>
>
> I sent my notebook with a formatted HDD.
> I hope they will not complaining.
>
> Any way,I really appreciate your help.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> However,I am still courius how should I install to HDD. smiley
>
> 2016-03-18 5:54 GMT+01:00 Rugxulo :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Péter Szőke 
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Members,
>> >
>> > Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.
>>
>> Why install to HDD? Why not just use a bootable USB as if it were your
>> HDD?
>>
>> > I have a notebook without optical drive.
>> > The notebook has Windows 10 certification.
>>
>> That's not very specific. We need OEM name, model number, BIOS vendor,
>> cpuid, etc
>>
>> > I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.
>>
>> RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't find or write to your USB? Or
>> your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the USB booted but couldn't run?
>> Or it ran but couldn't install?
>>
>> If RUFUS didn't work, did you try anything else? UNetBootIn? Other??
>>
>> * http://unetbootin.github.io/
>> * https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS
>> * http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431
>>
>> > The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.
>>
>> So you could successfully run DOS programs from the booted USB?
>>
>> > I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not
>> find
>> > my partitions.
>>
>> Change what drive? Find what partitions? You mean FAT or NTFS?
>>
>> > So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.
>> >
>> > May I please beg an explanation.
>>
>> The normal way to install DOS is: fdisk (create DOS partition),
>> reboot, format (FAT), sys (create boot sector, adjust MBR, copy kernel
>> and shell if needed).
>>
>> You don't really need to do any other fancy methods. But again, if
>> your USB is booting and working and has DOS on it, why bother with HDD
>> at all??
>>
>> P.S. Is your notebook completely barren? Does it have no other OS on
>> it? Have you tried installing anything else on it? Is that what you're
>> really trying to do, using FreeDOS at a means to help install
>> something else? Or is that the problem, that it "only" has Windows 10?
>> (You know you can also install FreeDOS under a virtual machine, right?
>> It's not hard.)
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Re: [Freedos-user] install

[Rugxulo]

Hi again,

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Péter Szőke  wrote:
>
> I will try answer to everyone.
>
> So, I have this model:  Asus k501lx-dm045d

A quick search finds this:

https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/K501LX/

They are very reminiscent of Apple with that page. I don't see any
mentions of FreeDOS or even Linux (which is presumably who the minimal
setup is actually intended for).

"ASUS recommends Windows." (They seemingly only offer it with Win 10,
Home or Pro.)

> Its BIOS has Legacy USB support and it is Enabled.

Are you sure it's a proper BIOS and not UEFI? (The webpage does say
"BIOS Booting User Password Protection" under Security.)

> "Why install to HDD? Why not just use a bootable USB as if it were your HDD?"
>
> My service asked me. If I want a repair,
>
> I have to bring back to them the notebook in its original state.

I'm no tech guru, but I doubt they expect you to reinstall FreeDOS (of
all things)! Presumably they just want all the physical parts, papers,
etc. Whoever put FreeDOS on there in the first place certainly knows
how to do it again.

> When bought this notebook it had freedos operating system.

I believe you, but I don't see that option presented online.

> I could make a bootable pendrive by Rufus, but I could not install the 
> freedos from it.

Did it say it wouldn't write correctly? Was there an error message? Or
it just didn't boot properly? Or are you saying that you expected
RUFUS (AFAIK, only meant for USB) to directly install to HDD for you??

> I sent my notebook with a formatted HDD.
> I hope they will not complaining.

I doubt it, they aren't putting FreeDOS intending it for much use.
(BTW, this implies that you tried installing something else later?
What mainstream OS did you try to use instead? Ubuntu? Why else avoid
pre-installed Windows? Maybe you already had a valid license?)

> Any way,I really appreciate your help.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> However,I am still courius how should I install to HDD. smiley

First, make sure your laptop is not in the mail being returned to OEM!   :-P

FD 1.2 is (almost?) in beta with FDI (installer), so that will
eventually be the preferred way to get the "full" FreeDOS.

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[Freedos-user] install

[Péter Szőke]

Dear Members,

Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.
I have a notebook without optical drive.
The notebook has Windows 10 certification.
I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.
The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.
I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not
find my partitions.
So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.

May I please beg an explanation.


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Re: [Freedos-user] install

[Don Flowers]

PS - Check you BIOS and enable legacy support.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:

> The only way that I know of that *might* work is if you have access to
> linux where you use a linux DD command so that the USB would show up as the
> A: drive  - if you are not in a hurry, I will experiement over the weekend,
> Meanwhile have you seen this site?
>
> http://www.chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/
>
> The FreeDOS image is not up to date but it should be good for a trial run.
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Péter Szőke 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.
>> I have a notebook without optical drive.
>> The notebook has Windows 10 certification.
>> I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.
>> The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.
>> I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not
>> find my partitions.
>> So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.
>>
>> May I please beg an explanation.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] install

[Péter Szőke]

I will try answer to everyone.

So, I have this model:

Asus k501lx-dm045d

Its BIOS has Legacy USB support and it is

Enabled.

"Why install to HDD? Why not just use a

bootable USB as if it were your HDD?"

My service asked me. If I want a repair,

Ihave to bring back to them the notebook

in its original state.
When buoght this notebook it had freedos

operating system.

"RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't

find or write to your USB? Or
your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the

USB booted but couldn't run?
Or it ran but couldn't install?"

I could make a bootable pendrive by Rufus,

but I could not install the freedos from

it.


I sent my notebook with a formatted HDD.
I hope they will not complaining.

Any way,I really appreciate your help.

Thank you very much!

However,I am still courius how should I install to HDD. smiley

2016-03-18 5:54 GMT+01:00 Rugxulo :

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Péter Szőke 
> wrote:
> > Dear Members,
> >
> > Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.
>
> Why install to HDD? Why not just use a bootable USB as if it were your HDD?
>
> > I have a notebook without optical drive.
> > The notebook has Windows 10 certification.
>
> That's not very specific. We need OEM name, model number, BIOS vendor,
> cpuid, etc
>
> > I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.
>
> RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't find or write to your USB? Or
> your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the USB booted but couldn't run?
> Or it ran but couldn't install?
>
> If RUFUS didn't work, did you try anything else? UNetBootIn? Other??
>
> * http://unetbootin.github.io/
> * https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS
> * http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431
>
> > The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.
>
> So you could successfully run DOS programs from the booted USB?
>
> > I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not
> find
> > my partitions.
>
> Change what drive? Find what partitions? You mean FAT or NTFS?
>
> > So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.
> >
> > May I please beg an explanation.
>
> The normal way to install DOS is: fdisk (create DOS partition),
> reboot, format (FAT), sys (create boot sector, adjust MBR, copy kernel
> and shell if needed).
>
> You don't really need to do any other fancy methods. But again, if
> your USB is booting and working and has DOS on it, why bother with HDD
> at all??
>
> P.S. Is your notebook completely barren? Does it have no other OS on
> it? Have you tried installing anything else on it? Is that what you're
> really trying to do, using FreeDOS at a means to help install
> something else? Or is that the problem, that it "only" has Windows 10?
> (You know you can also install FreeDOS under a virtual machine, right?
> It's not hard.)
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[Freedos-user] install from folder.

[kurt godel]

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No mint after 12 fits on cd(want mint because of mate-gnome desktop). The
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 Did manage to boot from external dvd using PLoP, choosing 'plopkexec'
option.
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isolinux begin executing in much the same way as
executing a 'setup.exe' will. So I'm nuts.-Rich..
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install from G-DOS

[Jim Hall]

 If you only want to unpack all the software archives (zip files),
 running INSTALL.EXE should be possible, from the \FREEDOS directory if
 I'm not mistaken. Or use UNZIP.EXE


Running unzip manually is probably easiest. When you break it down, the
FreeDOS install process is just creating a writable drive C: (FDISK,
FORMAT), putting the FreeDOS kernel on it (SYS), then installing the
packages (UNZIP).  The installer just makes that a bit easier for new users.

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[Freedos-user] Install from G-DOS

[Thomas D. Dean]

I have a TS5700 computer with General Software Embedded DOS-ROM 4.04 on 
a flash drive that appears as A: and B:.

I have a 512MB CF card with two partitions, 250MB each.

The first CF partition appears as c:
The second CF partition appears as D:, containing several directories, 
including FREEDOS which is the files copied from fd11src.iso - copied 
from the image mounted on linux.

I booted GDOS

  D:
  cd FREEDOS\FREEDOS\SETUP\ODIN
  .\sys c:
  dir c:
  Volume in drive C has no label
  Directory of C:\
COMMAND  COM66945 12-Jan-113  3:59a
KERNEL   SYS45344 12-Jan-113  3:59a
  2 file(s)   112289 byte(s)
  0 dir(s) 262266880 byte(s) free

I can boot FREEDOS.

I want to complete the installation.  I booted FREEDOS and tried 
SETUP.BAT from D:\FREEDOS.  It hangs forever.

I then tried making the CF all one partition.  I managed to do sys c: 
and can boot the CF.

  ver
FreeCom version 0.84-pre2 XMS_Swap [Aug 28 2006 00:29:00]


What can I do to complete the installation?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install from G-DOS

[Bernd Blaauw]

Op 12-1-2013 18:52, Thomas D. Dean schreef:

 What can I do to complete the installation?

The installation process assumes you're installing from CD.
What I'd recommend is storing the ISO on drive C:, then the following:
SHSUFDRV /F:C:\FD11SRC.ISO
SHSUCDX /D:SHSU-CDH,X

and then switch to drive X: (listing the content of the ISO) and start 
SETUP.

Maybe even SUBST works, never tried that.

If you only want to unpack all the software archives (zip files), 
running INSTALL.EXE should be possible, from the \FREEDOS directory if 
I'm not mistaken. Or use UNZIP.EXE

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Grub

[maybeway36]

Honestly, I would use a newer GRUB4DOS version from
http://download.gna.org/grub4dos. (0.4.4) Once that's unzipped to a
floppy or the hard drive, you can use bootlace.com 0x80, then make
sure that GRLDR is present on the hard drive. I'm not sure where
bootlace.com and GRLDR are located on the CD.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Thomas D. Deantomd...@speakeasy.org wrote:
 I have two partitions, MSDOS on 1 and FreeDOS on 2.

 How do I install grub from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD?

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[Freedos-user] Install Grub

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I have two partitions, MSDOS on 1 and FreeDOS on 2.

How do I install grub from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Grub SOLUTION

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On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 10:26 -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote:
 How do I install grub from the FreeDOS 1.0 CD?


\fdos\bin\bootlace 0x80
copy GRLDR C:\GRLDR

create c:\BOOT\GRUB\MENU.LST

#
#
title MSDOS
unhide (hd0,0)
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
makeactive
#
#
title FreeDOS
unhide (hd0,1)
unhide (hd0,1)
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
makeactive



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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Problems

[Eric Auer]

Hi Usul,

 I installed freedos correctlly or so I thought.
 When I boot from the hard drive and not the CD I get an
 F 99 99 99 (lots of nines)
 I can boot from the cd and see everything on the hard drive and run programs
 just fine.

Which version did you install? Did you already try doing SYS C: again?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Problems

[Mateusz Viste]

On Friday 27 March 2009 14:58, usul wrote:
 The only thing left is that FreeDos does not use the full screen, there is
 almost
 a two inch border around the displayable area. all other OS seem to use the
 whole screen.
 There is an option in the BIOS to stretch it but that turns out ugly. Is
 there a dos way to increase the screen.

Hi,

It's not a FreeDOS issue. That behavior is caused by your LCD monitor and/or 
your video BIOS, which doesn't use natively the full screen for 80x25 text 
mode. You could try other text modes (80x43, 80x50...) using MODE, maybe one of 
these will use more of your screen. As for other OSes, these are most 
probably using a video mode instead of a text mode (eg. a Linux framebuffer...).
I saw once a tool which was switching DOS into a video mode, too (can't 
remember the name, sorry), but keep in mind that many applications/games will 
switch back to text mode when exiting anyway.

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[Freedos-user] Install Problems

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I installed freedos correctlly or so I thought.
When I boot from the hard drive and not the CD I get an
F 99 99 99 (lots of nines)
I can boot from the cd and see everything on the hard drive and run programs
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Godefroid Chapelle]

Eric Auer wrote:
 Hi!
 
 Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.
 
 Well there are 2 ways of support: Win9x includes
 MS DOS 7 so you should only RUN it in MS DOS 7...
 
 But you can start the INSTALLERS of various Windows
 versions from within other DOS :-). I think what you
 are trying to do is boot DOS from diskette because
 your BIOS cannot boot from cdrom directly? 

My BIOS allow to boot from cdrom.

But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...

 In that
 case you can use a grub4dos or btmgr (smart boot
 manager) boot diskette which boots your cdrom for
 you. Or you can use a FreeDOS boot diskette to run
 the setup program of Win9x, but then you will have
 to take care to use a suitable configuration.
 

This is what I am trying to do.

 For example loading only HIMEM but no EMM386 would be
 a suggestion, and loading only a minimum collection
 of other drivers.

Do you mean HIMEM.EXE ?

It seems win95 does not think it is compatible.

 Try whether loading or not loading
 SHARE works better.

Being a newbie to FREEDOS, I have no idea where to download those 
drivers from before putting them on my floppy.

 For cdrom drivers, try xcdrom or
 uide and shsucdx. If you have them, compare whether
 Win9x prefers MSCDEX and the cdrom drivers included
 in a Win9x boot diskette. The contents of such a boot
 diskette should also be somewhere on the Win9x cdrom
 so you can copy them, but this is just a guess :-).

Good point. I'll check that !

 Eric

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Michael Reichenbach]

Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
 Hello,
 
 I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.
 
 I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)
 
 If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
 support being incompatible.
 
 Are there any known workarounds ?
 
 Thanks

Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

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Michael Reichenbach wrote:
 Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
 Hello,

 I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.

 I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)

 If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
 support being incompatible.

 Are there any known workarounds ?

 Thanks
 
 Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.
 
 -mr

Would you have a hint of another system that would allow to install 
Win95 from CD without owning DOS on floppies ?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

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Hi!

  Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.

Well there are 2 ways of support: Win9x includes
MS DOS 7 so you should only RUN it in MS DOS 7...

But you can start the INSTALLERS of various Windows
versions from within other DOS :-). I think what you
are trying to do is boot DOS from diskette because
your BIOS cannot boot from cdrom directly? In that
case you can use a grub4dos or btmgr (smart boot
manager) boot diskette which boots your cdrom for
you. Or you can use a FreeDOS boot diskette to run
the setup program of Win9x, but then you will have
to take care to use a suitable configuration.

For example loading only HIMEM but no EMM386 would be
a suggestion, and loading only a minimum collection
of other drivers. Try whether loading or not loading
SHARE works better. For cdrom drivers, try xcdrom or
uide and shsucdx. If you have them, compare whether
Win9x prefers MSCDEX and the cdrom drivers included
in a Win9x boot diskette. The contents of such a boot
diskette should also be somewhere on the Win9x cdrom
so you can copy them, but this is just a guess :-).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

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Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
 Michael Reichenbach wrote:
 Godefroid Chapelle schrieb:
 Hello,

 I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.

 I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)

 If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
 support being incompatible.

 Are there any known workarounds ?

 Thanks
 Unfortunately FreeDOS does not support Win9x.

 -mr
 
 Would you have a hint of another system that would allow to install 
 Win95 from CD without owning DOS on floppies ?

You need a Win95 boot floppy with CD-ROM drivers. (you find them 
hopefully still on the net)

What devices you can boot from? CD-ROM? USB?

If you can not boot from floppy because you do not own a floppy then 
there is a workarround, a bit tricky... You can boot (CD-ROM or USB) 
from grub and then use memdisk. Or you boot from grub4dos and then use 
floppy emulation.

Both ways would emulate a boot floppy. Fine enough for installing Win9x.

It`s also possible to install MS-DOS on USB pendrive or harddrive. 
Instructions also online.

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[Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Godefroid Chapelle]

Hello,

I am trying to setup Win 95 from FreeDOS.

I boot from freedos standard. Then load the cdrom driver. Ok :-)

If I try to run install.exe for win95, it complains about high memory 
support being incompatible.

Are there any known workarounds ?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Robert Riebisch]

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:

 But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...

Just get the appropriate boot disk from http://nerdlabs.org/bootdisks/
or http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm. Easy to find via Google...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Robert Riebisch]

Michael Reichenbach wrote:

 He said he has no floppy anymore. So this is a bit more complicated.

Where exactly? I only see without owning DOS on floppies, which is
something completely different.

Nevertheless he could buy (or borrow) a USB floppy drive. I prefer NEC here.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Michael Reichenbach]

Robert Riebisch schrieb:
 Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
 
 But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
 
 Just get the appropriate boot disk from http://nerdlabs.org/bootdisks/
 or http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm. Easy to find via Google...
 
 Robert Riebisch

He said he has no floppy anymore. So this is a bit more complicated.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Godefroid Chapelle]

Robert Riebisch wrote:
 Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
 
 But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
 
 Just get the appropriate boot disk from http://nerdlabs.org/bootdisks/
 or http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm.

Thanks for the info.

 Easy to find via Google...

I inferred wrongly that Win95 was not available as bootable disk and did 
not even think of searching for it :-S

 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

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O/H [EMAIL PROTECTED] έγραψε:
 My BIOS allow to boot from cdrom.

 But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
 

Why don't you just installing from a bootable win95 cd?
There is no chance to get a replacement cd, but you can grab a copy from 
around the net.

I've heard that it is legal (since you own a legit copy) for you to do 
it, and you can use even your own s/n.
I've also read, that it is legal for every win customer to own previous 
version of windows.

OK! I'm not a lawyer, so I can't guarantee that.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

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From: Robert Riebisch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Michael Reichenbach wrote:
 
  He said he has no floppy anymore. So this is a bit more complicated.
 
 Where exactly? I only see without owning DOS on floppies, which is
 something completely different.
 
 Nevertheless he could buy (or borrow) a USB floppy drive. I prefer NEC here.
 
 Robert Riebisch
 -- 

If the lack of a floppy disk is the only issue, it is easy to create a bootable 
CD
from a floppy disk image.  Most BIOS's will boot a CD.  Doing this doesn't 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install Win95 from freedos

[Larry]

I don't know what exactly you need W95 for, but I've
switched to Linux (Debian) to get away from all that
license hullaballu. For compensation, I get thousands
of applications, programming languages, etc.

Freedos runs very well in a dosemu window of Linux.

I suspect you all know that already, and if so I
apologize for commenting.

--- Giorgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 O/H [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 έγραψε:
  My BIOS allow to boot from cdrom.
 
  But the win95 cdrom I own is not bootable...
  
 
 Why don't you just installing from a bootable win95
 cd?
 There is no chance to get a replacement cd, but you
 can grab a copy from 
 around the net.
 
 I've heard that it is legal (since you own a legit
 copy) for you to do 
 it, and you can use even your own s/n.
 I've also read, that it is legal for every win
 customer to own previous 
 version of windows.
 
 OK! I'm not a lawyer, so I can't guarantee that.
 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[Alain M.]

A very short while ago I found GPARTED, it is a *complete* partition 
solution, and it can move ext3 and RaiserFS partitions too.

It has also a live CD (50Mb) so that using is painless. For most 
operations, it uses the regular Linux programs like dosfsck and 
reiserfsck, etc...

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/

Alain

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[dsilva1]

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Alain
Thank you for the response.
Where may I get the CD?
Dick.
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:26:53 -0200

A very short while ago I found GPARTED, it is a *complete* partition 
solution, and it can move ext3 and RaiserFS partitions too.

It has also a live CD (50Mb) so that using is painless. For most 
operations, it uses the regular Linux programs like dosfsck and 
reiserfsck, etc...

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/

Alain

Bonnie Dalzell escreveu:
 ranish partition manager is an excellent partition tool 
 (http://www.ranish.com/part/) which you can run from a floppy if you 
 have a dos floppy.
 
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[Alain M.]

Same place on the top right corner: 
http://download.tuxfamily.org/gpartedlive/

[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
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 Alain
 Thank you for the response.
 Where may I get the CD?
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 From: Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem
 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:26:53 -0200
 
 A very short while ago I found GPARTED, it is a *complete* partition 
 solution, and it can move ext3 and RaiserFS partitions too.
 
 It has also a live CD (50Mb) so that using is painless. For most 
 operations, it uses the regular Linux programs like dosfsck and 
 reiserfsck, etc...
 
 http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
 
 Alain
 
 Bonnie Dalzell escreveu:
 ranish partition manager is an excellent partition tool 
 (http://www.ranish.com/part/) which you can run from a floppy if you 
 have a dos floppy.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[MegaBrutal]

Hi!

Please don't send mails in HTML format. Plaintext e-mails are more
appreciated here... I don't know what's the problem, but if I were
you, I would try to format the partition with the format comes with
FreeDOS. PartitionMagic is a good partition manager, but I've already
heard strange things of it.

Greetings,
MegaBrutal


2007/11/25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




   I am having a problem installingFreeDOS 1.0, base install with source.
   I am runing a Dell, with a Celon CPU.
   I have 160 GB HD, 2-GB of ram.

   I have 3 partitions, using PartitionMagic7:
   Windows XP home edition.
Windows 2000 Pro.
   Dos. (1396 Meg Bite partition size)

   With the DOS partition active.
   The DOS partition was formatted using the format that comes with
 PartitionMagic7.
   The problem is that after loading FreeDOS (above version) my system
 freezes up.

   Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated.

   Inquirer.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[Bonnie Dalzell]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
 
   I am having a problem installingFreeDOS 1.0, base install with source.
   I am runing a Dell, with a Celon CPU. 
   I have 160 GB HD, 2-GB of ram.
  
   I have 3 partitions, using PartitionMagic7:
   Windows XP home edition.
Windows 2000 Pro.
   Dos. (1396 Meg Bite partition size)
   
   With the DOS partition active.
   The DOS partition was formatted using the format that comes with 
  PartitionMagic7.
   The problem is that after loading FreeDOS (above version) my system freezes 
  up.

have you tried booting from a freedos cd or putting the core of freedos 
on a floppy and booting from the floppy. that should give you an idea 
as to wether it is the install on your hd or some problem with freedos 
booting on your system that is the problem.


  
   Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated.
  
   Inquirer.
 
  
 
 

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[Bonnie Dalzell]

ranish partition manager is an excellent partition tool 
(http://www.ranish.com/part/) which you can run from a floppy if you 
have a dos floppy.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[dsilva1]

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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:52:14 -0500 (EST)

ranish partition manager is an excellent partition tool 
(http://www.ranish.com/part/) which you can run from a floppy if you 
have a dos floppy.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem

[dsilva1]

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Thank you for the response.

Yes I have booted from the CD and still get the freeze.
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Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Install problem
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:44:05 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
 
   I am having a problem installingFreeDOS 1.0, base install with source.
   I am runing a Dell, with a Celon CPU. 
   I have 160 GB HD, 2-GB of ram.
  
   I have 3 partitions, using PartitionMagic7:
   Windows XP home edition.
Windows 2000 Pro.
   Dos. (1396 Meg Bite partition size)
   
   With the DOS partition active.
   The DOS partition was formatted using the format that comes with 
  PartitionMagic7.
   The problem is that after loading FreeDOS (above version) my system freezes 
  up.

have you tried booting from a freedos cd or putting the core of freedos 
on a floppy and booting from the floppy. that should give you an idea 
as to wether it is the install on your hd or some problem with freedos 
booting on your system that is the problem.


  
   Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated.
  
   Inquirer.
 
  
 
 

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[Freedos-user] Install problem

[dsilva1]

 I am having a problem installingFreeDOS 1.0, base install with source.
 I am runing a Dell, with a Celon CPU. 
 I have 160 GB HD, 2-GB of ram.
 
 I have 3 partitions, using PartitionMagic7: Windows XP home edition. Windows 2000 Pro. Dos. (1396 Meg Bite partition size) 
 With the DOS partition active.
 The DOS partition was formatted using the format that comes with PartitionMagic7. The problem is that after loading FreeDOS (above version) my system freezes up.
 
 Any suggestions or advice is greatly appreciated.

 Inquirer.


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Re: [Freedos-user] install bug?

[Eric Auer]

Hi again!

 I neglected to mention that the setup went into another hung state
 after I finished hand-editing the file.

Ahhh okay you mean you selected the edit file option of
the network setup menu. Well I guess you still have network
troubles. But on the other hand, a simple solution might be
to install without networking. Depends on whether you want
to use networking and/or any of the packages which require
networking during install. I myself would install without
network and then later install Arachne (has a built-in net
config wizard) manually when the rest works. One thing which
uses networking during install are the USB drivers, but you
can just as well download and install them later. This is a
good idea anyway, because they hung when I let the installer
itself download and activate them (too early?) in setup...

Eric

PS: Yeah I would recommend to install without network, see:
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
You can find a list of internet-using packages here:
http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies
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Re: [Freedos-user] install bug?

[Glenn Becker]

 Ahhh okay you mean you selected the edit file option of
 the network setup menu. Well I guess you still have network
 troubles.

I guess the main issue there, for me, was that the install just seemed to 
hang forever, rather than dump out to any kind of networking is not 
working message with a choice to reconfigure or advance without 
networking.

For what it is worth I am playing with FreeDOS on a Dell Inspiron 4100. 
1000mHz Pentium III.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install fail

[Ray Davison]

Eric Auer wrote:

 Then it tried to download further updates but failed to
 communicate with your ADSL router or similar device.

Could it have reasonably been expected to succeed?

If so, how to make it work.
 
How can I determine what did not get installed because of this?
 
 I think the whole install process did not finalize that way...

It does boot.
 
I cannot find a list of features and addon packages.  Are some on the CD 
and some downloaded?

Is there a file manager on the CD?  I am using NC.

Below is another machine that has had problems with DOS.  It is 
out-of-the-box except I added LH NC.  Does it look normal?

Modules using memory below 1 MB:

   Name   Total   Conventional   Upper Memory
           
   SYSTEM  25,568   (25K) 11,008   (11K) 14,560   (14K)
   HIMEM2,704(3K)  2,704(3K)  0(0K)
   EMM386   3,632(4K)  3,632(4K)  0(0K)
   LBACACHE20,464   (20K)336(0K) 20,128   (20K)
   COMMAND  4,064(4K)  3,024(3K)  1,040(1K)
   RTSPKT  26,160   (26K) 26,160   (26K)  0(0K)
   COMMAND  3,552(3K)  3,024(3K)528(1K)
   XCDROM   2,320(2K)  0(0K)  2,320(2K)
   CDRCACHE13,072   (13K)  0(0K) 13,072   (13K)
   MORESYS544(1K)  0(0K)544(1K)
   FDAPM  928(1K)  0(0K)928(1K)
   SHSUCDX  8,416(8K)  0(0K)  8,416(8K)
   NC  13,520   (13K)  0(0K) 13,520   (13K)
   MOUSE3,328(3K)  0(0K)  3,328(3K)
   Free   652,800  (638K)604,160  (590K) 48,640   (48K)

Memory TypeTotal   Used   Free
        
Conventional  639K49K   590K
Upper 124K76K48K
Reserved  261K   261K 0K
Extended (XMS)   1,014,528K31,941K   982,587K
        
Total memory 1,015,552K32,327K   983,225K

Total under 1 MB  763K   125K   638K

Largest executable program size   590K (603,808 bytes)
Largest free upper memory block43K ( 43,888 bytes)
FreeDOS is resident in the high memory area.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install fail

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Hi,

  Then it tried to download further updates but failed to
  communicate with your ADSL router or similar device.
 Could it have reasonably been expected to succeed?

Depends on many factors. You better try that with for
example Arachne after installing a basic DOS :-).

The realtek driver is usually okay, but BIG operating
systems do the router / modem init once, while DOS
has to do it again each time when you start a network
client (browser for example), and each time it can
fail... Which can hang if during the install.

 It does boot.

Nice :-).

 I cannot find a list of features and addon packages.
 Are some on the CD and some downloaded?

See, as usual,
 http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
 http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies
...which tells which packages require internet... but see also...

For a full list, see:
 http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/
Base is what is in the base distro,
all others should be in the full distro.

 Is there a file manager on the CD?  I am using NC.

 http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/freedos-lsm.cgi?q=fa=util/ndn.lsm
Necromancer Dos Navigator seems to be our standard NC clone.




 Below is another machine that has had problems with DOS.  It is
 out-of-the-box except I added LH NC.  Does it look normal?

Maybe the usual: UMB problems. Start without emm386. No UMB
(lh / loadhigh / devicehigh then) but better stability :-).

Name   Total   Conventional   Upper Memory
SYSTEM  25,568   (25k) 11,008   (11k) 14,560   (14k)
sounds like dosdata=umb dos=high,umb :-)

HIMEM2,704(3k)  2,704(3k)  0(0k)
EMM386   3,632(4k)  3,632(4k)  0(0k)
LBACACHE20,464   (20k)336(0k) 20,128   (20k)
that is quite a big cache, loaded high but with the scsi safe
option that should make loading the cache high safe... you can
still try loading lbacache without lh, just in case.

COMMAND  4,064(4k)  3,024(3k)  1,040(1k)
probably a big environment size ;-)

RTSPKT  26,160   (26k) 26,160   (26k)  0(0k)
as you see, the network packet driver uses a lot of ram. realtek one.
you could comment out the line that loads that one, or add a ? in
front of it - then you are asked each time you boot if you want to
load the driver. when you need no network, you can skip it.

COMMAND  3,552(3k)  3,024(3k)528(1k)
a second command.com, probably loaded by nc?

XCDROM   2,320(2k)  0(0k)  2,320(2k)
cdrom: not sure if this works well when loaded high, try loading low

CDRCACHE13,072   (13k)  0(0k) 13,072   (13k)
a pretty big cdrom cache... should work okay in high area, no prob.

MORESYS544(1k)  0(0k)544(1k)
lets you do things like tree  more$

FDAPM  928(1k)  0(0k)928(1k)
a driver to save energy while dos is idle :-)

SHSUCDX  8,416(8k)  0(0k)  8,416(8k)
cdrom: not sure if this works well when loaded high, try loading low

NC  13,520   (13k)  0(0k) 13,520   (13k)
MOUSE3,328(3k)  0(0k)  3,328(3k)

Free   652,800  (638k)604,160  (590k) 48,640   (48k)

Nice config, 615k free if you boot without networking :-)
Or 10-15k less if you keep the cdrom stuff low.
Without emm386, you would have roughly 550k free only.

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[Freedos-user] Install fail

[Ray Davison]

I just downloaded and burned FDFULLCD.ISO.  I installed it on a rather 
old machine: 1G P4.  I have trouble getting any DOS to boot on some late 
model machines.

Bootable CD install stops at Configuring through DHCP.

Someone else complained about this last November.  I don't find a response.

How can I determine what did not get installed because of this?

Is there a way to do an incremental install, that is, jump to a 
particular install page?

Ray

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[Freedos-user] Install fail

[Ray Davison]

I just downloaded and burned FDFULLCD.ISO.  I installed it on a rather 
old machine: 1G P4.  I have trouble getting any DOS to boot on some late 
model machines.

Bootable CD install stops at Configuring through DHCP.

Someone else complained about this last November.  I don't find a response.

How can I determine what did not get installed because of this?

Is there a way to do an incremental install, that is, jump to a 
particular install page?

The HDD does boot in that machine.

Ray

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install fail

[Eric Auer]

Hi Ray,

 I just downloaded and burned FDFULLCD.ISO...
 Bootable CD install stops at Configuring through DHCP.

Then it tried to download further updates but failed to
communicate with your ADSL router or similar device.

 How can I determine what did not get installed because of this?

I think the whole install process did not finalize that way...

 Is there a way to do an incremental install

Yes. Please do a BASE install to make sure that your DOS
is installed and bootable. You can always start the install
again later to add more packages. You can also use fdpkg
to install packages manually. Or, even easier, you can just
do cdd c:\fdos and then unzip some_file_on_cdrom.zip
to install the package some_file :-). FDPKG adds some
extra things like automatic dependency checking and setup
of packages, but at least ninety percent of the packages
work perfectly after a simple UNZIP instead of FDPKG already.

 http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall
points you to
 http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies
which contains a list of packages which will make the installer
try to contact the internet during install. If you unselect
those packages in the list of installable packages dialogue,
your install should proceed without any DHCP troubles. As said,
you can still add the network related packages later :-).

Eric

PS: I recommend that FreeDOS 1.1 will have a preselection
ALMOST FULL, which is like FULL but excludes packages
that need internet or lots of disk space during install.
So you get a quick install in only 100 MB ;-). Adding
more packages can happen later based on manual choice.


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[Freedos-user] Install Question

[Lélio Ronei Knop]

Hello, I copy version ISO with source-code (Fdfullws.iso) of FreeDOS site. In
the hour to install it has 3 types of installation: Full Install, Base and
Custom.The Full Install version would not have question only the directory
of the installation and to install everything without asking which packages to
install ??? And this can't be removed (?):Done installing this disk
series.if you are installing other disk
series, please insertdisk #1
of the next series in the drive now.Press any key to
continueAnd Install Graphics no
exist more ???Sorry my English, I am
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[Freedos-user] Install FreeDOS on most WindowsXP Computers - updated ISO and Procedure

[Mark Bailey]

Good day, everyone:

I have updated my procedure and bootable CD for installing
FreeDOS on almost any WindowsXP computer.  You can install
FreeDOS beside WindowsXP without damaging the WindowsXP
installation.

The key programs are GParted, for shrinking the WindowsXP disk
partition and creating a partition for FreeDOS, and GAG,
for selecting whether to run WindowsXP or FreeDOS.  These
are included on the free CD.  There is also a very stripped
down version of FreeDOS which can be used to install right
from the CD.

The download links will be valid for three weeks.

The ISO image is available at

http://www.mytempdir.com/1086884

and contains a PDF file of the procedure.  If you would
like the PDF procedure file, you can get it from

http://www.mytempdir.com/1086915

I would appreciate feedback from anyone who uses the procedure
so that I can improve it.  All of my computers boot both WindowsXP
and DOS!  I can do this in under ten minutes - it will take
you a bit longer the first time.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install FreeDOS on most WindowsXP Computers - updated ISO and Procedure

[Johnson Lam]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:48:00 -0500, you wrote:

Hi,

I have updated my procedure and bootable CD for installing
FreeDOS on almost any WindowsXP computer.  You can install
FreeDOS beside WindowsXP without damaging the WindowsXP
installation.

Great!

The download links will be valid for three weeks.

The ISO image is available at

http://www.mytempdir.com/1086884

and contains a PDF file of the procedure.  If you would
like the PDF procedure file, you can get it from

http://www.mytempdir.com/1086915

Do you mind I mirror them?

I would appreciate feedback from anyone who uses the procedure
so that I can improve it.  All of my computers boot both WindowsXP
and DOS!  I can do this in under ten minutes - it will take
you a bit longer the first time.

Thanks for your effort.
I'll try to report if there's any problem, so far it didn't have any problem
for me.


Rgds,
Johnson.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install FreeDOS on most WindowsXP Computers - updated ISO and Procedure

[Mark Bailey]

Not at all.  mytempdir is quite slow.  If you can provide
another site, I can upload them tomorrow.

Mark

Johnson Lam wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:48:00 -0500, you wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have updated my procedure and bootable CD for installing
 FreeDOS on almost any WindowsXP computer.  You can install
 FreeDOS beside WindowsXP without damaging the WindowsXP
 installation.
 
 Great!
 
 The download links will be valid for three weeks.

 The ISO image is available at

 http://www.mytempdir.com/1086884

 and contains a PDF file of the procedure.  If you would
 like the PDF procedure file, you can get it from

 http://www.mytempdir.com/1086915
 
 Do you mind I mirror them?
 
 I would appreciate feedback from anyone who uses the procedure
 so that I can improve it.  All of my computers boot both WindowsXP
 and DOS!  I can do this in under ten minutes - it will take
 you a bit longer the first time.
 
 Thanks for your effort.
 I'll try to report if there's any problem, so far it didn't have any problem
 for me.
 
 
 Rgds,
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[Freedos-user] install freedos without CDROM drive

[Jethro Tull]

I'm trying to install freedos but I have no cdrom

I copied the fdbootcd.iso content in the fat partition (c:)
I boot with the floppy and after some menus I was prompted with the 
following screen:


Alternative installation media.
Please select ho to install Freedos
0) Access cdrom through loaded driver (default after 5s)

1) Install Free dos distro from diskettes
2) Specify name of directory to use as installation source
3) Specify name of ISO file to be used as installation source
4) Let me specify extra cdrom-drive(s)

Make your choice:

I chose 2 but that doesn't work
I then copied the iso file to c: (after reboot to winXP)
and specified option 3 but that doesn't work

someone knows?



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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:56:44 +

I would like to install freedos in dual boot mode with windows XP, but 
what's amazing is that nowhere on the official site of freedos I could find 
the space needed. I found on some odd web site by googling that there was 
need of at least 3MB, but I prefer some more secure source.
I downloaded the iso file which sizes 12MB, so maybe there is need of at 
least 12MB on the hard drive.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Install has run amok on my hard drives

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

2-Июн-2006 18:17 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blair Campbell) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

   I wanted FreeDOS to leave my Recovery Partition alone and to install 
itself
   on my D: drive. Instead, without any instruction from me, it has 
modified my
BC DOS (including FreeDOS) will only boot from the first recognized
BC partition.

  No. DOS booted from any partition, from where it will started by MBR.
And (default) MBR loads boot sector from any primary partition, marked as
active (bootable). The more so, with help of (3rd party, non-standard)
boot manager you may load DOS from anything (primary or logical partition),
but C: is assigned by DOS to primary partition, which marked as active.

BC Sof it you want to do this, you would have to use GRUB or
BC another boot manager to 'switch' D: to C:.

  Not neccessary: SYS should copy system files (kernel.sys in case of 
FreeDOS) _to_ _any_ requested partition, then you may start boot sector 
from there in any way - through standard MBR (by making this partition 
active before rebooting) or through 3rd party boot manager (which may or 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Install has run amok on my hard drives

[Blair Campbell]

 I wanted FreeDOS to leave my Recovery Partition alone and to install itself
 on my D: drive. Instead, without any instruction from me, it has modified my

DOS (including FreeDOS) will only boot from the first recognized
partition.  Sof it you want to do this, you would have to use GRUB or
another boot manager to 'switch' D: to C:.

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[Freedos-user] Install has run amok on my hard drives

[James Haley]

Hello,

I could barely understand any of the installation directions for FreeDOS 
because they were muddled up with information that does not pertain to me, 
as I already have a primary FAT partition just waiting and ready to receive 
it, so I just went ahead and ran the install off the bootable CD hoping that 
it would be clear enough for me to follow. Boy, I was wrong.

My system is setup like this:

[Main drive]
[Primary Partition: NTFS (WinXP)] - Windows calls this C:
[Secondary Paritition: FAT32 (Recovery] - Windows calls this D:, FreeDOS 
calls it C:

[Slave Drive]
[Primary Partition: FAT] - Windows calls this F:, FreeDOS calls it D:

I wanted FreeDOS to leave my Recovery Partition alone and to install itself 
on my D: drive. Instead, without any instruction from me, it has modified my 
recovery partition, possibly rendering it permanently useless, and it 
installed the packages to D: -- the C: drive isn't even bootable! If I try 
booting that disk, it boots XP because XP is in the primary partition, 
naturally.

I tried to make D: bootable by using the sys command, but when I boot the 
disk now, I see some kind of unintelligible menu about an IO error that 
stays on the screen for approximately one second before being flooded away 
by about 1000 pages worth of identical Invalid Opcode errors. Once these 
stop, pressing anything or attempting to reboot the system causes an 
additional few hundred pages worth of semi-random ASCII to fly by and then 
the system hard locks while blaring a high-pitched tone on the PC speaker.

I'm sure FreeDOS is great to use, but only if you can actually install it. 
What have I done wrong, how can I fix it, and for God's sake, can somebody 
please just explain the process of how to get FreeDOS onto a particular disk 
without discussing things I *don't* need to do like FDISK or formatting? If 
it isn't possible to use FreeDOS the way I want to (bootable from what it 
thinks is my D: drive), I would also appreciate that being stated in plain 
English. I'm a smart guy with a CS degree, but this stuff is still opaque to 
me.

Thanks,

James Haley




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[Freedos-user] Install CD won't

[Ray Davison]

I have a CD made from the ISO.  The readme identifies it as: b9 #2 30 
Nov 2005.  During install the kernel version is 0.0.35.  Is this the 
most recent?


It gets to Uncompressing and loading UPXed CPI (CPX).

And then Invalid Opcode...

Anyone understand this?

Ray


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Re: [Freedos-user] Install freedos without floppy or cd?

[Carl Spitzer]

On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 22:58 -0500, Hoace Johnson wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have a laptop that has no working removable media
 drives, which has linux installed on one patition. I
 also have a fat16 partition (hda1) that I want to
 install FreeDOS on, booting from GRUB, but I cannot
 figure out exactly how to do this. The problem (I
 think) is getting the right boot sector on /dev/hda1.
 makebootfat looks promising, but I really do not
 want to risk screwing up my system (It would be
 absolute torture to restore it), so may I ask
 1- Where can I get the essential freedos files (just
 enough to run old games, turbo C, quickbasic,  use
 the mouse) in a convenient format (like .zip)?
 2- How can I get it to boot from grub (My
 understanding is that the I need some kind of loader
 (512 bytes??) on the partition.. if anyone could send
 this to me along with instructions on how to get it on
 there (using dd, i guess), that would be much
 appreciated)?
 

If it is so old as to not have a cd does it have usb?  If so go external
and load and run from there using the linux to move the files over.
BTW there are usb floppy drives.  If you mess up grup you can rerun its
install as root.

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[Freedos-user] Install freedos without floppy or cd?

[Hoace Johnson]

Hello,

I have a laptop that has no working removable media
drives, which has linux installed on one patition. I
also have a fat16 partition (hda1) that I want to
install FreeDOS on, booting from GRUB, but I cannot
figure out exactly how to do this. The problem (I
think) is getting the right boot sector on /dev/hda1.
makebootfat looks promising, but I really do not
want to risk screwing up my system (It would be
absolute torture to restore it), so may I ask
1- Where can I get the essential freedos files (just
enough to run old games, turbo C, quickbasic,  use
the mouse) in a convenient format (like .zip)?
2- How can I get it to boot from grub (My
understanding is that the I need some kind of loader
(512 bytes??) on the partition.. if anyone could send
this to me along with instructions on how to get it on
there (using dd, i guess), that would be much
appreciated)?


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[Freedos-user] Install on 386/10 10mb 40mb floppy laptop fails (was: my first post...)

[Eric Auer]

Hi, can you give more details about your install attempt?
There should be an installer boot floppy, and this should
let you enter floppy install mode if none of the following is found:
- CD ROM of beta 9
- ISO image of beta 9 on harddisk
- contents of beta 9 CD on harddisk
... but of course you could use any software to transfer the ISO
to the harddisk before starting to install. Use the MINI (does not
unzip sources) install option in text / monochrome mode (it seems
that the VGA installer is not extremely stable, and I do not know
if 10 MB RAM are enough for it, but would be interesting to try).
You can use FileMaven to transfer files between DOS boxes.
Or use LSPPP in SLIP or PLIP mode, and a link cable. Then use a DOS
FTP or SCP/SFTP (e.g. sshdos) or HTTP (e.g. lynx or wget?) client
to download the non-base packages.
Actually Bernd or Jeremy should have ONE big zip with many non-base
packages in one collection somewhere, but I fear that that did not
get updated after beta 8 :-(. And there are several big packages:
SEAL, OpenGEM, OpenWatcom, SETEDIT, Arachne, DJGPP (should be in the
complier category lang - if not, we should add it!). You might run
out of space on the 40 MB harddisk if you install all those.


Now about your main problem: FreeDOS does not boot after installation.
Please check if you have C: on a primary partition (hda1 ... hda4 somewhere)
and if you have marked that partition as active / bootable. The rest should
be done automatically by the installer, but you can also use SYS manually
after booting FreeDOS from floppy. You could even use my Perl version of the
boot sector writing part of SYS (limited but still might be useful for some
people).

If you want faster feedback, feel free to ICQ me or join #freedos on the
irc.i7c.org server ;-).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install errors - Beta9 release 4

[Jim Hall]

If you are able, also check the md5sum of the iso file before you write 
it to CD-R.  The sums are listed here:
 http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/

Leendert wrote:
Did you also redownload the image? Maybe it got corrupted when you 
downloaded it...

On Mar 24, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Joe Albanese wrote:

This is my first attempt at installing freedos.  During install I keep 
getting the following extration error:
Error extracting file c:\fdos\cpi\ega5.cpi
I've reinstalled several times and sometimes the extration error 
complains about xmsswap.cln and/or ctm-it.exe as well.

I have installed on two different computers and I have tried to two 
different copies of the CD image, but I stil get the same errors.

I'm installing by booting directly into the CD.

Has anyone had this problem before?

thanks,
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[Freedos-user] Install errors - Beta9 release 4

[Joe Albanese]

This is my first attempt at installing freedos.  During install I keep 
getting the following extration error:
Error extracting file c:\fdos\cpi\ega5.cpi
I've reinstalled several times and sometimes the extration error 
complains about xmsswap.cln and/or ctm-it.exe as well.

I have installed on two different computers and I have tried to two 
different copies of the CD image, but I stil get the same errors.

I'm installing by booting directly into the CD.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Install errors - Beta9 release 4

[Leendert]

Did you also redownload the image? Maybe it got corrupted when you 
downloaded it...

On Mar 24, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Joe Albanese wrote:

This is my first attempt at installing freedos.  During install I keep 
getting the following extration error:
Error extracting file c:\fdos\cpi\ega5.cpi
I've reinstalled several times and sometimes the extration error 
complains about xmsswap.cln and/or ctm-it.exe as well.

I have installed on two different computers and I have tried to two 
different copies of the CD image, but I stil get the same errors.

I'm installing by booting directly into the CD.

Has anyone had this problem before?

thanks,
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