[FRIAM] on the limits of inductive reasoning

2012-04-23 Thread lrudolph
From the AP wire, April 22, 2012.

...
   McKay says that a day before the killings, on Julia
   Hudson's birthday, Balfour told her, If you ever
   leave me, I'm going to kill you, but I'm going to
   kill your family first. She didn't take him seriously,
   McKay said, because Balfour hadn't acted on the threats
   before.
...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/04/23/us/ap-us-jennifer-hudson-
slayings.html

Lee Rudolph



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[FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Owen Densmore
Today I had my first experience of a doctor refusing my medicare insurance.

This was particularly surprising because I have the Plan
F supplement which purports to pay the difference between the Medicare
schedule and the doctor's normal fee.  I even offered to pay for it all
myself and was refused as it's being against the law to pay for treatment
while having insurance of any kind!

The best they could offer is referring me to a doctor in Los Alamos. (I
think if I'm going to have to move my medical services, I'd more likely
choose Abq, but I'm not sure if that indeed would be better.)

This is spooky!

Have any of us had similar experiences? I'm trying to figure out what my
alternatives are.

- Get off Medicare + supplement plan and pay a great deal for standard blue
cross/shield?
- Move from standard Medicare to the alternative Advantage plans?
- Call the doctor every week to see if she's now accepting Medicare?
- Suck it up and start looking outside of Santa Fe?
- Go find a hip doctor and ask what the best approach is!


Please let me/us know what your experiences are in this area!  Yikes!

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Robert Holmes
Move to Europe?

—R

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

 Today I had my first experience of a doctor refusing my medicare insurance.

 This was particularly surprising because I have the Plan
 F supplement which purports to pay the difference between the Medicare
 schedule and the doctor's normal fee.  I even offered to pay for it all
 myself and was refused as it's being against the law to pay for treatment
 while having insurance of any kind!

 The best they could offer is referring me to a doctor in Los Alamos. (I
 think if I'm going to have to move my medical services, I'd more likely
 choose Abq, but I'm not sure if that indeed would be better.)

 This is spooky!

 Have any of us had similar experiences? I'm trying to figure out what my
 alternatives are.

 - Get off Medicare + supplement plan and pay a great deal for standard
 blue cross/shield?
 - Move from standard Medicare to the alternative Advantage plans?
 - Call the doctor every week to see if she's now accepting Medicare?
 - Suck it up and start looking outside of Santa Fe?
 - Go find a hip doctor and ask what the best approach is!


 Please let me/us know what your experiences are in this area!  Yikes!

-- Owen

 
 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
 Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Bruce Abell
Owen--

I have that same type of coverage, A, B, and F (as well as D).

Medigap does not pay the difference between the Medicare B payment and the
doctor's normal fee.  If that were the case you'd be readily accepted.  But
it only pays the difference between the amount Medicare B pays (something
like 80 percent of the *approved Medicare fee)* and the approved Medicare
fee.  That approved fee is always less than the doctor's retail fee, and
usually dramatically less.  That's why some doctors won't accept Medicare.

But many, if not most, do accept Medicare.  You can search around to see if
you can find a doctor you trust and one who would accept you.  I think
there are some in Santa Fe, but it may take some looking.  I think someone
new recently joined the Adult Medicine Specialists at 1650 Hospital Drive.
 You might call there to see if there are openings (though the individual
doctors in that practice maintain their own patient rosters).

The Medicare Advantage plans put you into whatever network they use.  You
might find that Blue Cross will enroll you in an Advantage plan and let
Medicare pay for it.  The important thing there is to know who your
providers are going to be.  I believe if you're in an Advantage plan
there's no question of being accepted as a patient.

--Bruce Abell

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

 Today I had my first experience of a doctor refusing my medicare insurance.

 This was particularly surprising because I have the Plan
 F supplement which purports to pay the difference between the Medicare
 schedule and the doctor's normal fee.  I even offered to pay for it all
 myself and was refused as it's being against the law to pay for treatment
 while having insurance of any kind!

 The best they could offer is referring me to a doctor in Los Alamos. (I
 think if I'm going to have to move my medical services, I'd more likely
 choose Abq, but I'm not sure if that indeed would be better.)

 This is spooky!

 Have any of us had similar experiences? I'm trying to figure out what my
 alternatives are.

 - Get off Medicare + supplement plan and pay a great deal for standard
 blue cross/shield?
 - Move from standard Medicare to the alternative Advantage plans?
 - Call the doctor every week to see if she's now accepting Medicare?
 - Suck it up and start looking outside of Santa Fe?
 - Go find a hip doctor and ask what the best approach is!


 Please let me/us know what your experiences are in this area!  Yikes!

-- Owen

 
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-- 
Bruce Abell
7 Morning Glory
Santa Fe, NM  87506
Tel: 505 986 9039

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Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, Robert, 

 

I find the local medical situation terrifying.  My daughter had to be
admitted to St. V. for an emergency a couple of X-masses ago, and I swear to
god there were blood splatters on the wall behind her bed in her room.   I
am fighting allergies so bad right now they are preventing me from singing
in the Chorus I sing for, and all the medical people I talk to are clueless.
The feed-back from patients to doctors is non-existent.  There's no way a
Doctor can tell when he prescribes you medicine whether it has killed you or
cured you.   Either way, you don't come back. I think folks like you
could get rich in the Obama technocrat age AND do a heluva lot of good by
designing feedback systems so Doctors actually find out whether they have
killed you or not.  

 

As for hip surgery.  I have been a candidate for hip surgery for years but
never elected.   But arthritic hips are different from osteomyelitic hips. 

 

One good thing about medicare is that it doesn't give a rat's ass where you
get your medical care.  So, I went to Boston for high end carotic surgery a
few years ago.. Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard .., the whole nine
yards.  It didn

't cost me a dime.  I had relatives in Boston, so that helped a lot.  

 

Good luck with this, Robert. 

 

Nick

 

Ooops.  I forgot I was exiled.  N

 

 

\

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Holmes
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare  Plan F

 

Move to Europe?

 

-R

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

Today I had my first experience of a doctor refusing my medicare insurance.

 

This was particularly surprising because I have the Plan F supplement which
purports to pay the difference between the Medicare schedule and the
doctor's normal fee.  I even offered to pay for it all myself and was
refused as it's being against the law to pay for treatment while having
insurance of any kind!

 

The best they could offer is referring me to a doctor in Los Alamos. (I
think if I'm going to have to move my medical services, I'd more likely
choose Abq, but I'm not sure if that indeed would be better.)

 

This is spooky!

 

Have any of us had similar experiences? I'm trying to figure out what my
alternatives are.

- Get off Medicare + supplement plan and pay a great deal for standard blue
cross/shield?

- Move from standard Medicare to the alternative Advantage plans?

- Call the doctor every week to see if she's now accepting Medicare?

- Suck it up and start looking outside of Santa Fe?

- Go find a hip doctor and ask what the best approach is!

 

Please let me/us know what your experiences are in this area!  Yikes!

 

   -- Owen



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Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Robert, nearly none of my Manhattan doctors takes Medicare, and that's been 
true for about a decade. Luckily, Joe is still working, and we pay for the 
Columbia faculty medical plan, but when that stops, I don't know what we'll do. 
I can't blame the docs--the fees from Medicare are negligible compared to 
Manhattan expenses. 

Free market medicine working so, so well.

What you're complaining about, Nick (and I agree) is a result of docs taking on 
far too many patients, giving them too little time, again a function of the 
crackpot non-system we have. With single-payer, we would immediately save 
thirty percent at least of what we shell out, and patients and doctors could 
split that savings. As most of you know, we are surrounded in Santa Fe by 
people who have no insurance at all.

I had dinner the other night with the guy in charge of Google's medical records 
effort... Google's defunct medical records effort. As they were getting 
acquainted with the general non-system, they realized that privacy laws would 
keep them from verifying that their record-keeping programs actually worked! 
Impossible to penetrate the silos that exist from one medical center to the 
next. Google pulled the plug.

Is it do-able technically? Of course. The Veterans Administration does it 
handily. Will it be done in our lifetimes? Unlikely. So the next time you hear 
someone tell you how much money we're going to save through electronic medical 
records, you can smile. Wryly.

  


On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

 Hi, Robert,
  
 I find the local medical situation terrifying.  My daughter had to be 
 admitted to St. V. for an emergency a couple of X-masses ago, and I swear to 
 god there were blood splatters on the wall behind her bed in her room.   I am 
 fighting allergies so bad right now they are preventing me from singing in 
 the Chorus I sing for, and all the medical people I talk to are clueless.  
 The feed-back from patients to doctors is non-existent.  There’s no way a 
 Doctor can tell when he prescribes you medicine whether it has killed you or 
 cured you.   Either way, you don’t come back. I think folks like you 
 could get rich in the Obama technocrat age AND do a heluva lot of good by 
 designing feedback systems so Doctors actually find out whether they have 
 killed you or not. 
  
 As for hip surgery.  I have been a “candidate” for hip surgery for years but 
 never elected.   But arthritic hips are different from osteomyelitic hips.
  
 One good thing about medicare is that it doesn’t give a rat’s ass where you 
 get your medical care.  So, I went to Boston for high end carotic surgery a 
 few years ago…. Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard …., the whole nine 
 yards.  It didn
 ‘t cost me a dime.  I had relatives in Boston, so that helped a lot. 
  
 Good luck with this, Robert.
  
 Nick
  
 Ooops.  I forgot I was exiled.  N
  
  
 \
  
  
 From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf 
 Of Robert Holmes
 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:53 AM
 To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
 Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare  Plan F
  
 Move to Europe?
  
 —R
 
 On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
 Today I had my first experience of a doctor refusing my medicare insurance.
  
 This was particularly surprising because I have the Plan F supplement which 
 purports to pay the difference between the Medicare schedule and the doctor's 
 normal fee.  I even offered to pay for it all myself and was refused as it's 
 being against the law to pay for treatment while having insurance of any kind!
  
 The best they could offer is referring me to a doctor in Los Alamos. (I think 
 if I'm going to have to move my medical services, I'd more likely choose Abq, 
 but I'm not sure if that indeed would be better.)
  
 This is spooky!
  
 Have any of us had similar experiences? I'm trying to figure out what my 
 alternatives are.
 - Get off Medicare + supplement plan and pay a great deal for standard blue 
 cross/shield?
 - Move from standard Medicare to the alternative Advantage plans?
 - Call the doctor every week to see if she's now accepting Medicare?
 - Suck it up and start looking outside of Santa Fe?
 - Go find a hip doctor and ask what the best approach is!
  
 Please let me/us know what your experiences are in this area!  Yikes!
  
-- Owen
 
 
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 Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
 lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
  
 
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She instructed me as if out of bitter personal experience; she brooded along 
the edges of my childhood like someone 

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Wi-Fi tethering

2012-04-23 Thread Parks, Raymond
I've used my personal cell phone (non-smart), my work Blackberry (not very 
smart), a dedicated 3G modem from work, and my personal smartphone for Internet 
access on the go.  I don't have a tablet - just two laptops (work and 
personal).  USB tethering works better for me than WiFi - the phone gets some 
recharge over the USB and I can only use one laptop at a time.  I would imagine 
that WiFi tethering would use up charge at a high rate - leaving one without a 
phone if you don't watch out.


On Apr 21, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

Just curious: If you use it, how well does Wi-Fi tethering work for you?

I ask because I was quite surprised that my phone data usage is way below my 
2GB plan, and would like the phone to let me use my iPad while mobile.  (My 
guess is using it with a laptop would really quickly go over the 2GB!)

It makes a lot of sense: a wifi router in your pocket.

   -- Owen

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SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.govmailto:rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send 
NIPR reminder)
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Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
My fantasy is that we all get together to form a Dr/patients association and
conspire against the insurance companies.  

 

n

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:33 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare  Plan F

 

Robert, nearly none of my Manhattan doctors takes Medicare, and that's been
true for about a decade. Luckily, Joe is still working, and we pay for the
Columbia faculty medical plan, but when that stops, I don't know what we'll
do. I can't blame the docs--the fees from Medicare are negligible compared
to Manhattan expenses. 

 

Free market medicine working so, so well.

 

What you're complaining about, Nick (and I agree) is a result of docs taking
on far too many patients, giving them too little time, again a function of
the crackpot non-system we have. With single-payer, we would immediately
save thirty percent at least of what we shell out, and patients and doctors
could split that savings. As most of you know, we are surrounded in Santa Fe
by people who have no insurance at all.

 

I had dinner the other night with the guy in charge of Google's medical
records effort... Google's defunct medical records effort. As they were
getting acquainted with the general non-system, they realized that privacy
laws would keep them from verifying that their record-keeping programs
actually worked! Impossible to penetrate the silos that exist from one
medical center to the next. Google pulled the plug.

 

Is it do-able technically? Of course. The Veterans Administration does it
handily. Will it be done in our lifetimes? Unlikely. So the next time you
hear someone tell you how much money we're going to save through electronic
medical records, you can smile. Wryly.

 

  

 

 

On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:





Hi, Robert,

 

I find the local medical situation terrifying.  My daughter had to be
admitted to St. V. for an emergency a couple of X-masses ago, and I swear to
god there were blood splatters on the wall behind her bed in her room.   I
am fighting allergies so bad right now they are preventing me from singing
in the Chorus I sing for, and all the medical people I talk to are clueless.
The feed-back from patients to doctors is non-existent.  There's no way a
Doctor can tell when he prescribes you medicine whether it has killed you or
cured you.   Either way, you don't come back. I think folks like you
could get rich in the Obama technocrat age AND do a heluva lot of good by
designing feedback systems so Doctors actually find out whether they have
killed you or not. 

 

As for hip surgery.  I have been a candidate for hip surgery for years but
never elected.   But arthritic hips are different from osteomyelitic hips.

 

One good thing about medicare is that it doesn't give a rat's ass where you
get your medical care.  So, I went to Boston for high end carotic surgery a
few years ago.. Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard .., the whole nine
yards.  It didn

't cost me a dime.  I had relatives in Boston, so that helped a lot. 

 

Good luck with this, Robert.

 

Nick

 

Ooops.  I forgot I was exiled.  N

 

 

\

 

 

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Holmes
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:53 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare  Plan F

 

Move to Europe?

 

-R

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

Today I had my first experience of a doctor refusing my medicare insurance.

 

This was particularly surprising because I have the Plan F supplement which
purports to pay the difference between the Medicare schedule and the
doctor's normal fee.  I even offered to pay for it all myself and was
refused as it's being against the law to pay for treatment while having
insurance of any kind!

 

The best they could offer is referring me to a doctor in Los Alamos. (I
think if I'm going to have to move my medical services, I'd more likely
choose Abq, but I'm not sure if that indeed would be better.)

 

This is spooky!

 

Have any of us had similar experiences? I'm trying to figure out what my
alternatives are.

- Get off Medicare + supplement plan and pay a great deal for standard blue
cross/shield?

- Move from standard Medicare to the alternative Advantage plans?

- Call the doctor every week to see if she's now accepting Medicare?

- Suck it up and start looking outside of Santa Fe?

- Go find a hip doctor and ask what the best approach is!

 

Please let me/us know what your experiences are in this area!  Yikes!

 

   -- Owen



FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

 


Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Old Folks Only: Medicare Plan F

2012-04-23 Thread Parks, Raymond
I like the idea of returning to the way we were before WWII and the wage freeze 
- paying the doctor what he needs, possibly through a retainer relationship.

There was a doctor in NYC who tried to set up a business model where his 
patients paid him $70 per month (he calculated that amount based on office 
overhead and his income) and they had the right to visit him X number of times 
per month.  The various one-payer systems (Medicare, insurance) called in the 
insurance regulators, claiming that he was operating as an insurance company.

I have friend who recently retired from being an Ob/Gyn.  He worked in ABQ but  
followed his wife to Winslow.  There he worked for what his patients could give 
him - many times including livestock (mostly chickens).  He told me that he 
made more money through that informal system than he made here through the 
whole office/insurance/hospital privileges/etc. system.

My wife once found out (through having to bully the insurance company to pay 
the doctor) that her Ob/Gyn (different one) pocketed a whopping $125.00 for the 
emergency surgery he did for her.  This was after the cost of having an office, 
paying the hospital to use it, processing the insurance, and paying 
malpractice.  We figured he was probably worth more than $25.00/hour.

The whole insurance/government regulation/government fee structure we've built 
ever since medical insurance was used to hide salary increases has gotten us to 
where we are today - a mess.

On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

My fantasy is that we all get together to form a Dr/patients association and 
conspire against the insurance companies.

n

From: friam-boun...@redfish.commailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1:33 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Old Folks Only: Medicare  Plan F

Robert, nearly none of my Manhattan doctors takes Medicare, and that's been 
true for about a decade. Luckily, Joe is still working, and we pay for the 
Columbia faculty medical plan, but when that stops, I don't know what we'll do. 
I can't blame the docs--the fees from Medicare are negligible compared to 
Manhattan expenses.

Free market medicine working so, so well.

What you're complaining about, Nick (and I agree) is a result of docs taking on 
far too many patients, giving them too little time, again a function of the 
crackpot non-system we have. With single-payer, we would immediately save 
thirty percent at least of what we shell out, and patients and doctors could 
split that savings. As most of you know, we are surrounded in Santa Fe by 
people who have no insurance at all.

I had dinner the other night with the guy in charge of Google's medical records 
effort... Google's defunct medical records effort. As they were getting 
acquainted with the general non-system, they realized that privacy laws would 
keep them from verifying that their record-keeping programs actually worked! 
Impossible to penetrate the silos that exist from one medical center to the 
next. Google pulled the plug.

Is it do-able technically? Of course. The Veterans Administration does it 
handily. Will it be done in our lifetimes? Unlikely. So the next time you hear 
someone tell you how much money we're going to save through electronic medical 
records, you can smile. Wryly.




On Apr 23, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:


Hi, Robert,

I find the local medical situation terrifying.  My daughter had to be admitted 
to St. V. for an emergency a couple of X-masses ago, and I swear to god there 
were blood splatters on the wall behind her bed in her room.   I am fighting 
allergies so bad right now they are preventing me from singing in the Chorus I 
sing for, and all the medical people I talk to are clueless.  The feed-back 
from patients to doctors is non-existent.  There’s no way a Doctor can tell 
when he prescribes you medicine whether it has killed you or cured you.   
Either way, you don’t come back. I think folks like you could get rich in 
the Obama technocrat age AND do a heluva lot of good by designing feedback 
systems so Doctors actually find out whether they have killed you or not.

As for hip surgery.  I have been a “candidate” for hip surgery for years but 
never elected.   But arthritic hips are different from osteomyelitic hips.

One good thing about medicare is that it doesn’t give a rat’s ass where you get 
your medical care.  So, I went to Boston for high end carotic surgery a few 
years ago…. Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard …., the whole nine yards.  
It didn
‘t cost me a dime.  I had relatives in Boston, so that helped a lot.

Good luck with this, Robert.

Nick

Ooops.  I forgot I was exiled.  N


\


From: friam-boun...@redfish.commailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]mailto:[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Holmes
Sent: 

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: The evil empire?

2012-04-23 Thread Parks, Raymond
You couldn't figure out a way to put it to sleep in it's dock in a Dell 
facility with something more flammable (wooly-buggers or, perhaps, their 
cleaning fluid) than the motherboard?

On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Edward Angel wrote:

I had a somewhat similar experience with Dell.

I bought a laptop and docking station that had a serious defect. If I left the 
laptop asleep in the dock, it would slowly heat up but the fan would not go on. 
Consequently, the mother board would burn out in a few days. This was a design 
defect that affected this model as was ascertained by Dell replacing the mother 
board and dock a few times. I requested Dell to simply replace the computer 
with another model that didn't have this problem. They refused since my 
warranty and extended warranty called only for repair of the computer I had 
bought. They were perfectly willing to keep replacing the mother board every 
few weeks for the next three or so years until my extended warranty expired, 
even though at every level they admitted that their policy was costing them a 
lot more than replacing the computer. Finally, going as far up the chain as I 
could, even writing to Michael Dell (with no response), the best I could do was 
to never put the docked machine to sleep.

Ed
__

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
Santa Fe, NM 87501
505-984-0136 (home)   an...@cs.unm.edumailto:an...@cs.unm.edu
505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel


On Apr 20, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Bruce Sherwood wrote:

Following on the heels of the truly horrible Apple scheme for screwing
etextbook authors, here's another truly horrible Apple scheme for
screwing Macbook customers:

http://www.seattlerex.com/seattle-rex-vs-apple-the-verdict-is-in/

I gather this tale has gone viral.

Bruce


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[FRIAM] “Sleeping Barber” in Humus

2012-04-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
Do a little yak shaving with an actor-based approach to the Sleeping
Barber problem.

http://www.dalnefre.com/wp/2012/04/sleeping-barber-in-humus/


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