Re: [FRIAM] Dome based Immersive Visualization demos 9/15 (LA NextBigIdea)
Steve, Do you have any times? Thanks. Ron On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: LAVA (Los Alamos Visualization Associates), with the help of several partners is demonstrating a number of dome-based demos at the Los Alamos Next Big Idea Festival in downtown Los Alamos this Saturday, September 15 through most of the day. Rotating Demos of the following content and systems will be presented: Los Alamos Virtual Experience Tours: *4Pi Productions* 180 degree content captured around the Los Alamos area and key locations around the world. Spherical Stereoscopic Rendering: *Micoy Inc* 180 degree stereoscopic ray traced rendering, both canned and real-time demonstrations. Immersive Storytelling:* IAIA* *(Institute of American Indian Arts)* Dome movies and content produced by the staff and students at the IAIA digital dome in Santa Fe. DanceDome: *URRL (Urban Research Reaction Laboratory)* 2 Immersive Dome movies produced by Matt Wright and Janire Najera on Dance in Wales, UK. Particle Systems and Interaction: *DarklingX* An update of last years' demonstrations of the Elementals using Kinect for real time tracking and particle systems for real time rendering. The demonstrations will be held in Micoy's 28' inflatable dome driven by Projection Design's F35 AS3D Projectors with a fisheye lens. LAVA, along with various partners are prepared to develop and deliver hemispherical solutions to Immersive Visualization and multimedia presentation. If there is enough interest from LANL folks we may be able to mount a followon demonstration of some of this work on Monday the 17th, please let me know ASAP if you are interested! Please forward/share this announcement as widely as possible... I apologize for the late notice, I have been traveling in Europe with limited connection and time! - Steve Smith -- Los Alamos Visualization Associates LAVA-Synergy 4200 W. Jemez rd Los Alamos, NM 87544www.lava3d.comsas@lava3d.com505-920-0252 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Ron Newman MyIdeatree.com http://www.Ideatree.us The World Happiness Meter http://worldhappinessmeter.com YourSongCode.com http://www.yourSongCode.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Fwd: Re: 9/15: Los Alamos' Next Big Idea Events
Piggy-backing on Steve's announcement about LAVA and friends' dome presentations in Los Alamos this Saturday, the 15th, I'll add that there will also be an afternoon (1:00-5:00) program on that day at the Bradbury Museum, as part of The Next Big Idea and ISEA2012, on the intersection of the Arts and Sciences. A 1:00-2:45 panel discussion and presentation will include Bill Gilbert of UNM, showing his Land Art works at the Mesa Library, along with Laura Monroe and Bob Greene of LANL, moderated by Bradbury Museum Director, Linda Deck, will be followed from 3:00-5:00 by a panel and presentations by five artists participating in the new SARC (Scientists/Artists Research Collaborations) initiative. A number of LANL researchers and other co-conspirators are expected to also participate. If the confluence of the arts and sciences sparks your imagination, please come and enjoy a day in Los Alamos, to share in the conversations and action agendas for many 'next big ideas'. I'll soon send another announcement to this list, on SARC panels and presentations in Albuquerque, on the 20th, and in Santa Fe, on the 25th, as part of ISEA2012. SARC: http://nmsarc.wordpress.com Richard On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: LAVA (Los Alamos Visualization Associates), with the help of several partners is demonstrating a number of dome-based demos at the Los Alamos Next Big Idea Festival in downtown Los Alamos this Saturday, September 15 through most of the day. Rotating Demos of the following content and systems will be presented: Los Alamos Virtual Experience Tours: 4Pi Productions 180 degree content captured around the Los Alamos area and key locations around the world. Spherical Stereoscopic Rendering: Micoy Inc 180 degree stereoscopic ray traced rendering, both canned and real-time demonstrations. Immersive Storytelling: IAIA (Institute of American Indian Arts) Dome movies and content produced by the staff and students at the IAIA digital dome in Santa Fe. DanceDome: URRL (Urban Research Reaction Laboratory) 2 Immersive Dome movies produced by Matt Wright and Janire Najera on Dance in Wales, UK. Particle Systems and Interaction: DarklingX An update of last years' demonstrations of the Elementals using Kinect for real time tracking and particle systems for real time rendering. The demonstrations will be held in Micoy's 28' inflatable dome driven by Projection Design's F35 AS3D Projectors with a fisheye lens. LAVA, along with various partners are prepared to develop and deliver hemispherical solutions to Immersive Visualization and multimedia presentation. If there is enough interest from LANL folks we may be able to mount a followon demonstration of some of this work on Monday the 17th, please let me know ASAP if you are interested! Please forward/share this announcement as widely as possible... I apologize for the late notice, I have been traveling in Europe with limited connection and time! - Steve Smith Richard Lowenberg P. O. Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504 505-989-9110 off.; 505-603-5200 cell -- -- Richard Lowenberg Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504 505-989-9110 / 505-603-5200 c. RADLab www.radlab.com -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Owen, What you are perhaps missing is the complexity of politics and the emergence of extremism everywhere in response to anger and frustration with the conditions in which people are forced to live. This, alas, includes the US and the rise of the extreme right which seems to have somewhat taken control of the Republican Party. One might ask why people in the US don't apologize for all the wrongs that the US has committed in the rest of the world and maybe still be doing so. Chaos results in emergence and self-organization some of which is pretty nasty. One tends to forget all the massacres committed by the church, e.g. the inquisition, forced conversion of colonized peoples and the rise of Hitler and its consequences. Ah humanity cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:01 am Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Here are two statements http://goo.gl/bURhq: one by the Prime Minister of Libya, which is pretty much everything you would want; the other is by the President of Egypt, which is not so strong, but not terrible either. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Google+: plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/ * vita: *sites.google.com/site/russabbott/ CS Wiki http://cs.calstatela.edu/wiki/ and the courses I teach *_* On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Paul Paryski ppary...@aol.com wrote: Owen, What you are perhaps missing is the complexity of politics and the emergence of extremism everywhere in response to anger and frustration with the conditions in which people are forced to live. This, alas, includes the US and the rise of the extreme right which seems to have somewhat taken control of the Republican Party. One might ask why people in the US don't apologize for all the wrongs that the US has committed in the rest of the world and maybe still be doing so. Chaos results in emergence and self-organization some of which is pretty nasty. One tends to forget all the massacres committed by the church, e.g. the inquisition, forced conversion of colonized peoples and the rise of Hitler and its consequences. Ah humanity cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:01 am Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Also, as I understand it, one of the hopeful developments in recent years is that there HAS emerged significant push-back in the Muslim world to the fundamentalist extremists. A related development is that there has been growing Muslim hostility to Al Queda, because they really don't like Al Queda killing so many innocent people, who numerically are almost exclusively Muslims. I'm afraid US coverage has downplayed these developments; they aren't as dramatic. Bruce FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Thanks .. I had heard similar ideas. Do you have a pointer .. say to an article or site? -- Owen On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bruce Sherwood bruce.sherw...@gmail.comwrote: Also, as I understand it, one of the hopeful developments in recent years is that there HAS emerged significant push-back in the Muslim world to the fundamentalist extremists. A related development is that there has been growing Muslim hostility to Al Queda, because they really don't like Al Queda killing so many innocent people, who numerically are almost exclusively Muslims. I'm afraid US coverage has downplayed these developments; they aren't as dramatic. Bruce FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Sorry, I don't have a reference. Just general reading. Bruce On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Thanks .. I had heard similar ideas. Do you have a pointer .. say to an article or site? -- Owen On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bruce Sherwood bruce.sherw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, as I understand it, one of the hopeful developments in recent years is that there HAS emerged significant push-back in the Muslim world to the fundamentalist extremists. A related development is that there has been growing Muslim hostility to Al Queda, because they really don't like Al Queda killing so many innocent people, who numerically are almost exclusively Muslims. I'm afraid US coverage has downplayed these developments; they aren't as dramatic. Bruce FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Owen and all: The best site by far for all matters on the Middle East is run Juan Cole, a well known History professor at the University of Michigan. He has many knowledgeable followers who both contribute articles and assist in maintaining accuracy. Today's (Thursday), and his links, give a very good rundown on the attack on the Ambassador and the provoking film. Here is the link: http://www.juancole.com/. I have read every one of his posts since he started his blog several months after 9/11. Always invaluable. Read! Digest! Dean Gerber From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist Thanks .. I had heard similar ideas. Do you have a pointer .. say to an article or site? -- Owen On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bruce Sherwood bruce.sherw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, as I understand it, one of the hopeful developments in recent years is that there HAS emerged significant push-back in the Muslim world to the fundamentalist extremists. A related development is that there has been growing Muslim hostility to Al Queda, because they really don't like Al Queda killing so many innocent people, who numerically are almost exclusively Muslims. I'm afraid US coverage has downplayed these developments; they aren't as dramatic. Bruce FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Kofi Annan, in a 2.5 minute discussion w/ Charlie Rose, said it well: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12548 Where are the leaders? Where is the Majority? Nobody speaks up. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
That is, of course one (somewhat escapist) view on the recent events. Here's another: the majority *has* spoken up. Welcome to the wonderful world of Islamic Fundamentalism. But don't worry, there's plenty of Fundamentalism -- Christian-flavored -- to go around for the United States as well. Just wait until Obama wins in November. You'll see. Or, to put it another way: as if the right-wing Christian Republican racism and hatred has not been bad enough already during the past four years, and especially during this presidential campaign, you haven't seen anything yet. --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Kofi Annan, in a 2.5 minute discussion w/ Charlie Rose, said it well: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12548 Where are the leaders? Where is the Majority? Nobody speaks up. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
And to punctuate this particular point of view, please see the attached Republican bumper sticker that is all the rage these days in the good ol' USA. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: That is, of course one (somewhat escapist) view on the recent events. Here's another: the majority *has* spoken up. Welcome to the wonderful world of Islamic Fundamentalism. But don't worry, there's plenty of Fundamentalism -- Christian-flavored -- to go around for the United States as well. Just wait until Obama wins in November. You'll see. Or, to put it another way: as if the right-wing Christian Republican racism and hatred has not been bad enough already during the past four years, and especially during this presidential campaign, you haven't seen anything yet. --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Kofi Annan, in a 2.5 minute discussion w/ Charlie Rose, said it well: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12548 Where are the leaders? Where is the Majority? Nobody speaks up. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell attachment: re-nig-republican.jpg FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Owen While I am an IT professor, I am very backward in using blogs and almost incapable of expressing myself in emails or otherwise. Your question would be better discussed in a long session with lots of coffees and chocolates :) I do not normally put my Moslim hat on; almost never because I see religion as a relationship between me and God that is no one else business. Therefore, my actions are my responsibilities and if I do something good I take the reward personally so why when I do something bad should my religion, or any dimension of my identity be blamed. But your question was interesting. Not just from complexity perspective, from many other dimensions that once more, writing long emails would not send the right message through. Sometimes the good Moslims (whatever this means and in whose eyes) do not respond simply because they do not agree with the premise. The premise of the religion as the centre for conflict. The premise that we should be blamed for our belief. The premise that I should spend my time justifying someone else actions simply because there is a perception that I and them share something in common because it is written in my passport or on a system somewhere. If I believe in doing good, I would like to invest my time in that, and not invest my time to defend bad when bad was not my action in the first place. So call it an ego-centric or whatever, this is I. In Islam, when we do good, we should not talk about it because we are doing it to fulfil a sacred commitment to God. In fact, there is a premise that you should hide the good you are doing to get a better reward from God. This is too complicated to explain in an email! Some of us just do not wish to be bothered to defend or discuss the bad because the time and resources to spend on doing good alone are very limited. The world is full of opportunities to do good, why should we spend the time to discuss the bad! Sometimes also if we wish to explain concepts properly, you would not do it properly in a simple email or a simple discussion. There are things that can take a long time to understand before we can use them to explain! If this sounds a weak argument, we have to dig down to the roots to see what defines weak and strong arguments; and that is a long discussion! If I want to use a complexity lens, the Egyptian reply was a choice they made on a Pareto curve. If someone seriously wishes to understand it, they will need to analyse in details the underlying axes for this Pareto curve, the sources of anti-correlation, and the interaction of the utility functions. Only then, they will see the complex dilemma setting at the roots of this reply as compared to a possibly artificial politically correct reply that some people expect. If the above is a starting point for a discussion, next time you visit Australia, drop by and we can attempt to resolve it all on a nice cup of coffee with nice dark chocolates :) Kind regards Hussein From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012 3:01 AM To: Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Ok, I'll bite. Why? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn’t the same apply to the drinking of wine? ** ** *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:17 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist ** ** A Facebook-style visual data-byte response, Owen (attached). ** ** --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW ** ** This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! ** ** We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. ** ** What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? ** ** What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? ** ** Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. ** ** What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. ** ** -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ** ** -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
Look at the visual data byte. From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist Ok, I'll bite. Why? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn't the same apply to the drinking of wine? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist A Facebook-style visual data-byte response, Owen (attached). --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
So, wine is the root cause of all our problems? I think not. I can handle my wine as well as I can handle my religion. Better, even, given that my religion handling needs are nil. On Sep 13, 2012 10:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Look at the visual data byte. ** ** *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:32 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist ** ** Ok, I'll bite. ** ** Why? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn’t the same apply to the drinking of wine? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:17 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist A Facebook-style visual data-byte response, Owen (attached). --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org ** ** -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell ** ** FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
No, no doug. Good Lord. Wino:wine drinking::fanatic:religion. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 12:14 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist So, wine is the root cause of all our problems? I think not. I can handle my wine as well as I can handle my religion. Better, even, given that my religion handling needs are nil. On Sep 13, 2012 10:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Look at the visual data byte. From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist Ok, I'll bite. Why? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn't the same apply to the drinking of wine? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist A Facebook-style visual data-byte response, Owen (attached). --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
That works. On Sep 13, 2012 10:22 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: No, no doug. Good Lord. Wino:wine drinking::fanatic:religion. N ** ** *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2012 12:14 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist ** ** So, wine is the root cause of all our problems? I think not. I can handle my wine as well as I can handle my religion. Better, even, given that my religion handling needs are nil. On Sep 13, 2012 10:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Look at the visual data byte. *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:32 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist Ok, I'll bite. Why? On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn’t the same apply to the drinking of wine? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:17 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist A Facebook-style visual data-byte response, Owen (attached). --Doug On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The Economist sent out their weekly email, which included a story on the Libya fiasco: http://goo.gl/0mfCW This reminded me of one of my possibly Politically Incorrect notions: Why don't the civilized muslim world attempt to counter this insanity on the part of their fundamentalists? At least some attempt to apologize for My Religion, The Bad Parts? God knows I do! We had an imam visit the cathedral in Santa Fe to discuss the simplicity and beauty of his religion. Some questions were asked about The Bad Parts, in a very civilized manor. The conversation was sane, polite, and certainly informative. What if the Vatican sent out a hit squad for all the similar anti-Christian movies or other inflammatory media? Or the Buddhists sent ninjas after non-believers? Or the Jews killed Dutch cartoonists? What I'm getting at is this: why *isn't* there a strong community of sane and vocal muslims at least trying to communicate to the rest of us? Please do understand that this is not a rant against religion, but more of a puzzled look at an insane situation. And Yes, I really wish we'd keep our nose out of other's affairs. I'm not trying to be a bigot. But I truly would like to grok this phenomenon. What am I missing? Good complexity question, I bet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
