Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

2013-12-06 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
IMHO. You would presumably be doing business as a sole proprietor and 
not as a corporation and would hire them as independent contractors, 
then I think the answer is no, because their contract will bestow no 
employment benefits.  But I am not an attorney, so I'd consult my local 
friendly employment lawyer.

Robert C

On 12/5/13 11:26 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
This (finally) leads to the question I want to ask.  Let's assume that 
I as an individual hire 500 people to work for me. I do not 
incorporate; I just hire them individual to individual. Does anyone 
know if the law requires me to provide health insurance for them?




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Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

2013-12-06 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Dear Russ,

Your 500 workers will soon hopefully be covered by the Affordable Care Act.
 Fortunately, the President, for a change, seems to be making up for
businessmen and corporations who don't think paying health insurance is in
the interest of their profit making goals.


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Robert J. Cordingley
rob...@cirrillian.comwrote:

 IMHO. You would presumably be doing business as a sole proprietor and not
 as a corporation and would hire them as independent contractors, then I
 think the answer is no, because their contract will bestow no employment
 benefits.  But I am not an attorney, so I'd consult my local friendly
 employment lawyer.
 Robert C


 On 12/5/13 11:26 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:

 This (finally) leads to the question I want to ask.  Let's assume that I
 as an individual hire 500 people to work for me. I do not incorporate; I
 just hire them individual to individual. Does anyone know if the law
 requires me to provide health insurance for them?



 
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me...@emergentdiplomacy.org
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Re: [FRIAM] King James Programming

2013-12-06 Thread glen
On 12/05/2013 05:15 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
 Charles Stross (twitter @cstross) trained up his own off the KJV and the
 compete works of H P Lovecraft: the strangely open doorway with the
 generation of poets is enormous.

Nice!  I can't seem to find a URL or handle for LoveBible.pl, though.
Do you know if he's made a trigger available?  Or is it just private?

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[FRIAM] Fwd: UTAustinX: UT.5.01x: Linear Algebra - Foundations to Frontiers | edX

2013-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
Just curious.  Has anyone knowledge of this course and/or the
school/instructors?

https://www.edx.org/course/utaustinx/utaustinx-ut-5-01x-linear-algebra-1162

One interesting thing in the FAQ was computer requirements:
What software do I need for the
course?https://www.edx.org/course/utaustinx/utaustinx-ut-5-01x-linear-algebra-1162?utm_source=edX+Course+Announcements+Mailing+Listutm_campaign=0dc2b9e000-Student_Newsletter_December_4_2013_OA_TA_12_5_2013utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_237694b56d-0dc2b9e000-39738649#
We will utilize VirtualBox, Vagrant, and Git, which are available for free.
We have configured a virtual machine for download to ensure that all
participants have the same software and environment. With it, you will
create a small linear algebra package using Python 3 and iPython Notebooks.
Detailed, easy instructions will explain how to download, install, and use
the software. If you are registered for the course, you will receive an
email alerting you when these instructions become available. You will be
able to access them at least a week before the course begins. (Don't be
intimidated by the jargon. We'll get you through it.)

That, on the one hand, is extraordinarily sophisticated, on the other hand
a comment on just how hard it is to configure a desktop environment for
class material.

Imagine telling someone that you'll have to have a computer within a
computer configured correctly to run the Python packages you'll be using!

I was more impressed by Stanford's Machine Learning class that just said:
Install either MatLab or Octave.  All our code will work with that.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

2013-12-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella

However, sometimes the people you think are independent contractors
actually aren't (determined by audit or by filing a request with the IRS
and/or your state).  As I understand it, if these people are determined
to be employees, then you are an employer and the rules about providing
health insurance plans for part- and/or full-time employees apply to
you, whether or not you've incorporated.

On 12/06/2013 06:34 AM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
 IMHO. You would presumably be doing business as a sole proprietor and
 not as a corporation and would hire them as independent contractors,
 then I think the answer is no, because their contract will bestow no
 employment benefits.  But I am not an attorney, so I'd consult my local
 friendly employment lawyer.
 Robert C
 
 On 12/5/13 11:26 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:
 This (finally) leads to the question I want to ask.  Let's assume that
 I as an individual hire 500 people to work for me. I do not
 incorporate; I just hire them individual to individual. Does anyone
 know if the law requires me to provide health insurance for them?
 
 
 
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: UTAustinX: UT.5.01x: Linear Algebra - Foundations to Frontiers | edX

2013-12-06 Thread Joshua Thorp
This is exaclty how we operate at my company and I have found it to be an 
incredible time saver.  The alternative requires detective work to solve every 
problem for every user.  If everyone is using the same Vagrant box then solving 
the problems of one user can be applied to all of the other users.

I know python is a prime offender on this kind of configuration issues,  but 
this technique is wonderful for many different sorts of software packages…  In 
one go you can have a complete system up and running with potentially many 
different pieces of software properly configured and running…  The instructions 
typically go,  install virtual box, install vagrant, clone this repo,  type 
“vagrant up”… and you are running. 

—joshua

On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

 Just curious.  Has anyone knowledge of this course and/or the 
 school/instructors?
https://www.edx.org/course/utaustinx/utaustinx-ut-5-01x-linear-algebra-1162
 
 One interesting thing in the FAQ was computer requirements:
 What software do I need for the course?
 We will utilize VirtualBox, Vagrant, and Git, which are available for free. 
 We have configured a virtual machine for download to ensure that all 
 participants have the same software and environment. With it, you will create 
 a small linear algebra package using Python 3 and iPython Notebooks. 
 Detailed, easy instructions will explain how to download, install, and use 
 the software. If you are registered for the course, you will receive an email 
 alerting you when these instructions become available. You will be able to 
 access them at least a week before the course begins. (Don't be intimidated 
 by the jargon. We'll get you through it.)
 
 That, on the one hand, is extraordinarily sophisticated, on the other hand a 
 comment on just how hard it is to configure a desktop environment for class 
 material.
 
 Imagine telling someone that you'll have to have a computer within a computer 
 configured correctly to run the Python packages you'll be using!
 
 I was more impressed by Stanford's Machine Learning class that just said: 
 Install either MatLab or Octave.  All our code will work with that.
 
-- Owen
 
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Re: [FRIAM] UTAustinX: UT.5.01x: Linear Algebra - Foundations to Frontiers | edX

2013-12-06 Thread Gary Schiltz
Here’s a new slogan off the top of my head: “If it isn’t virtual, it isn’t 
real.” :-)

I use VMWare Fusion on my MacBook Pro, although I’ve generally been impressed 
with VirtualBox (the price is certainly right).

Lately, I’ve been using a VM within a VM. I need to maintain an app on some 
Windows boxes, but don’t have one myself (don’t want one). To maintain the app, 
it is easiest to give them a solution that runs in a VM in one of said Windows 
boxes. To do so, I run Windows on my Mac inside Fusion. I then tried running 
Ubuntu under VirtualBox in this virtualized Windows box, but Ubuntu wouldn’t 
boot. It could be that if the outer host (i.e. my Mac) were running VirtualBox 
instead of Fusion, it would work, but I haven’t tried that. Instead, I run 
VMWare Player (the free, as in beer, not as in freedom, software) inside this 
virtualized Windows box and Ubuntu runs fine there. Surprisingly good 
performance, for a simple LAMP stack running in this double virtualized 
environment.

Anyway, life without virtualization would be a whole lot less interesting.

Gary

On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Joshua Thorp jos...@stigmergic.net wrote:

 This is exaclty how we operate at my company and I have found it to be an 
 incredible time saver.  The alternative requires detective work to solve 
 every problem for every user.  If everyone is using the same Vagrant box then 
 solving the problems of one user can be applied to all of the other users.
 
 I know python is a prime offender on this kind of configuration issues,  but 
 this technique is wonderful for many different sorts of software packages…  
 In one go you can have a complete system up and running with potentially many 
 different pieces of software properly configured and running…  The 
 instructions typically go,  install virtual box, install vagrant, clone this 
 repo,  type “vagrant up”… and you are running. 
 
 —joshua
 
 On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
 
 Just curious.  Has anyone knowledge of this course and/or the 
 school/instructors?

 https://www.edx.org/course/utaustinx/utaustinx-ut-5-01x-linear-algebra-1162
 
 One interesting thing in the FAQ was computer requirements:
 What software do I need for the course?
 We will utilize VirtualBox, Vagrant, and Git, which are available for free. 
 We have configured a virtual machine for download to ensure that all 
 participants have the same software and environment. With it, you will 
 create a small linear algebra package using Python 3 and iPython Notebooks. 
 Detailed, easy instructions will explain how to download, install, and use 
 the software. If you are registered for the course, you will receive an 
 email alerting you when these instructions become available. You will be 
 able to access them at least a week before the course begins. (Don't be 
 intimidated by the jargon. We'll get you through it.)
 
 That, on the one hand, is extraordinarily sophisticated, on the other hand a 
 comment on just how hard it is to configure a desktop environment for class 
 material.
 
 Imagine telling someone that you'll have to have a computer within a 
 computer configured correctly to run the Python packages you'll be using!
 
 I was more impressed by Stanford's Machine Learning class that just said: 
 Install either MatLab or Octave.  All our code will work with that.
 
-- Owen
 
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Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

2013-12-06 Thread Gary Schiltz
It sure would be a lot simpler if everyone (employers and employees alike) 
simply had to pay into a single plan, like most of the developed world. But, 
we’re the USA, and we know better :-)

On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:39 PM, glen e. p. ropella g...@tempusdictum.com wrote:
 However, sometimes the people you think are independent contractors
 actually aren't (determined by audit or by filing a request with the IRS
 and/or your state).  As I understand it, if these people are determined
 to be employees, then you are an employer and the rules about providing
 health insurance plans for part- and/or full-time employees apply to
 you, whether or not you've incorporated.



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[FRIAM] VM within a VM (was UTAustinX: UT.5.01x: Linear Algebra - Foundations to Frontiers | edX)

2013-12-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella
On 12/06/2013 10:56 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
 Lately, I’ve been using a VM within a VM.

One of the problems I have with this:
http://www.simulation-argument.com/faq.html is the potential for
infinite regress.  At that point, I think it boils down to whether you
accept this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekenstein_bound

I remember sitting in on a talk by this guy:
http://www.isepp.org/Pages/12-13%20Pages/Bristol.html wherein he posited
that a (hypothetical, of course) system of systems universe might
actually loop... i.e. yes, it's turtles all the way down, but you could
(in principle) mark any given turtle and find your way back to a marked
turtle with an ongoing monotonic scale change.

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Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread Arlo Barnes

 You are bit by bit dragging me out on thin ice here (statistics and
 probability) which is fine, so long as you are prepared to rescue me.

 I think, as a matter of practice, that the strength of an inference is
 determined *a priori* when you define your population and select your
 sample size.

 Does that sound right?

The ice is as thin for me as for you but I would think that the probable
maximum strength of an inference is determined by the nature of the sample
(that can be measured within just the sample). So we can only make very
weak inferences concerning life on other planets, because we have a sample
size of one. But if the first exoplanet we find with life on it has only
hominids, then an inference that 'dominant' lifeforms can only be hominids
would appear to double in strength but might not actually be stronger than
before at all if it turns out just to be luck.
I may revise this opinion upon further rumination, though, as I feel like
my analytical skills are not at their strongest currently.
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Re: [FRIAM] UTAustinX: UT.5.01x: Linear Algebra - Foundations to Frontiers | edX

2013-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
Great input, thanks!

I admit to being a browser fan-boy just because, beyond needing a modern
browser, its config-free.

But I'm definitely open to zero-config of any sort.  Will report.

BTW: The linear algebra course the MOOC is modeled after uses Strang's
Linear Algebra.

Tom: (10/11/09) you're right, it IS idiosyncratic but I found it
compelling, the parts I followed from his video lectures and using his book.

   -- Owen


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Gary Schiltz g...@naturesvisualarts.comwrote:

 Here’s a new slogan off the top of my head: “If it isn’t virtual, it isn’t
 real.” :-)

 I use VMWare Fusion on my MacBook Pro, although I’ve generally been
 impressed with VirtualBox (the price is certainly right).

 Lately, I’ve been using a VM within a VM. I need to maintain an app on
 some Windows boxes, but don’t have one myself (don’t want one). To maintain
 the app, it is easiest to give them a solution that runs in a VM in one of
 said Windows boxes. To do so, I run Windows on my Mac inside Fusion. I then
 tried running Ubuntu under VirtualBox in this virtualized Windows box, but
 Ubuntu wouldn’t boot. It could be that if the outer host (i.e. my Mac) were
 running VirtualBox instead of Fusion, it would work, but I haven’t tried
 that. Instead, I run VMWare Player (the free, as in beer, not as in
 freedom, software) inside this virtualized Windows box and Ubuntu runs fine
 there. Surprisingly good performance, for a simple LAMP stack running in
 this double virtualized environment.

 Anyway, life without virtualization would be a whole lot less interesting.

 Gary

 On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Joshua Thorp jos...@stigmergic.net wrote:

  This is exaclty how we operate at my company and I have found it to be
 an incredible time saver.  The alternative requires detective work to solve
 every problem for every user.  If everyone is using the same Vagrant box
 then solving the problems of one user can be applied to all of the other
 users.
 
  I know python is a prime offender on this kind of configuration issues,
  but this technique is wonderful for many different sorts of software
 packages…  In one go you can have a complete system up and running with
 potentially many different pieces of software properly configured and
 running…  The instructions typically go,  install virtual box, install
 vagrant, clone this repo,  type “vagrant up”… and you are running.
 
  —joshua
 
  On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
 
  Just curious.  Has anyone knowledge of this course and/or the
 school/instructors?
 
 https://www.edx.org/course/utaustinx/utaustinx-ut-5-01x-linear-algebra-1162
 
  One interesting thing in the FAQ was computer requirements:
  What software do I need for the course?
  We will utilize VirtualBox, Vagrant, and Git, which are available for
 free. We have configured a virtual machine for download to ensure that all
 participants have the same software and environment. With it, you will
 create a small linear algebra package using Python 3 and iPython Notebooks.
 Detailed, easy instructions will explain how to download, install, and use
 the software. If you are registered for the course, you will receive an
 email alerting you when these instructions become available. You will be
 able to access them at least a week before the course begins. (Don't be
 intimidated by the jargon. We'll get you through it.)
 
  That, on the one hand, is extraordinarily sophisticated, on the other
 hand a comment on just how hard it is to configure a desktop environment
 for class material.
 
  Imagine telling someone that you'll have to have a computer within a
 computer configured correctly to run the Python packages you'll be using!
 
  I was more impressed by Stanford's Machine Learning class that just
 said: Install either MatLab or Octave.  All our code will work with that.
 
 -- Owen
  
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Re: [FRIAM] UTAustinX: UT.5.01x: Linear Algebra - Foundations to Frontiers | edX

2013-12-06 Thread Arlo Barnes
I am subscribed to a MOO programmers list, and someone offered a Vagrant
file for MOO tools; so besides eliminating dependency problems it can be
used to giftwrap goodies. However, virtualisation still takes a little
setting up and although performance has improved considerably in recent
times older machines (to address the same ethic as 'offline first', namely
do not design primarily for the most well-prepared users) might balk. A
liveboot image seems a nice alternative.
-Arlo

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Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Nick (who started the thread, regarding induction, but teasing with current 
events), and Arlo who has kept it alive,

For days I have been trying not to respond, but …

This is about the nuclear option, not about induction.  

Malcolm Gladwell had a piece in the New Yorker about David and Goliath a few 
years ago:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/090511fa_fact_gladwell
A team of under-skilled basketball players makes it to the semifinals by 
pushing the full court press on every play, every game.

One story gets most of the time here, and it is Gladwell's message.  Pure 
determination and the self-discipline to be more fit and stronger than your 
opponents can overcome large differentials in gifts.  Maybe gifts aren't so 
much earned as bestowed by luck of the draw, whereas conditioning is earned 
with suffering, and so is more noble, etc.  Okay. 

Let me acknowledge that there is a lot in this half of the story that I admire 
and agree with, and Gladwell tells good stories. 

There is another part of the story that does get mentioned, but not in more 
than a sentence or two.  Many of the girls in the other teams, who were hoping 
to win by skill, were not only frustrated but somewhat embittered at being 
beaten through sheer unrelenting obstruction.  Gladwell does not demean this, 
but he doesn't give it a lot of space either, as it is different from the story 
he is here to tell. 

A different take on the same story, however, might be that the purpose of sport 
isn't (or shouldn't be) principally to provide a chance to declare winners; it 
should be to use competition to bring out a certain form of excellence, or 
skill, or beauty, or momentarily attaining a state of grace, or whatever you 
want to call it.  David Rudisha's 800 or McKayla Maroney's Amanar.  Not 
everybody who feels entitled to win and gets beaten by a more determined 
opponent is mourning the loss of these things, but some do, and if enough 
didn't, what would be left of anything, except a kind of uniform grey siege?

I can't stand the republican obstructionism, because if there is any good faith 
behind any of it, in any rare individual, it is so far buried beneath the pure 
meanness that all I can see left is doing a dance around the bonfire as Rome 
burns.  We have much to lose, and I can't see any difference of moral worth 
between people who are gleeful at its loss, and the most degraded Taliban 
mentality, in which nothing is left but the saboteur.  

But it's just the full court press, on every play, in every game.  

So why doesn't -- why shouldn't (unless you believe it should) -- everything 
degenerate to a simple siege?  What had ever maintained anything of enough 
worth that there could be a nuclear option to threaten to take it away?  I 
think I mean this as a science question.  

I guess, said another way, by the time you are down to being limited by the 
rules, most hope is lost.  The role of rules must be, it seems, to function as 
catalysts within a system that is much more complicated than the rules 
themselves, and what they catalyze is the preservation of honor (or other 
value) by the system.  The preservation of things that can only be preserved by 
more complicated systems than rules.  But without well-designed rules as 
catalysts, the larger system could not be counted on to maintain these things 
on its own.  What is the larger system?  What is its natural language?  How do 
we worry about it in the right way (meaning, a productive way) when we should 
worry?

There is a kind of meanness or cynicism that likes to see hope dashed and 
beauty destroyed, and this meanness answers me by saying that if it isn't in 
the rules enforced with a gun, it isn't real, and only patsies fail to know 
that.  

I think that is an error, but it would be nice to have satisfying ways to get 
at the thought, at some level closer to the precision we can bring to bear when 
thinking about rules. 

For a group of girls to win a season of basketball through a lot of guts and 
planning is okay, and basketball will survive.  To lose a norm of honor in the 
senate (already as wondrous as a snowball in hell) is not okay.  

Eric







On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:

 You are bit by bit dragging me out on thin ice here (statistics and 
 probability) which is fine, so long as you are prepared to rescue me.
 
 I think, as a matter of practice, that the strength of an inference is 
 determined a priori when you define your population and select your sample 
 size.
 
 Does that sound right?
 
 The ice is as thin for me as for you but I would think that the probable 
 maximum strength of an inference is determined by the nature of the sample 
 (that can be measured within just the sample). So we can only make very weak 
 inferences concerning life on other planets, because we have a sample size of 
 one. But if the first exoplanet we find with life on it has only hominids, 
 then an inference that 'dominant' 

Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread mar...@snoutfarm.com
Eric writes:

There is a kind of meanness or cynicism that likes to see hope dashed and
beauty destroyed, and this 
meanness answers me by saying that if it isn't in the rules enforced with a
gun, it isn't real, and only 
patsies fail to know that.

What a fantastic post. 

I would answer this way, but it isn't because I want to see hope dashed and
beauty destroyed.   It's because 
I want to destroy the destroyers.  

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Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread Eric Smith
 I would answer this way, but it isn't because I want to see hope dashed and
 beauty destroyed.   It's because 
 I want to destroy the destroyers.  
 
 Marcus


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Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

2013-12-06 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
You might find the IRS Topic 762 - Independent Contractor vs. Employee 
useful at:

http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc762.html
It says it was updated in October this year so hopefully any ACA impacts 
have been applied.  Some links to pdf docs provide expanded info.  
However this tends to approach the issue from the other end: if you 
provide certain benefits like medical insurance you are (probably) an 
employer not whether the law says you have to provide such benefits.

Thanks
Robert C



On 12/6/13 10:39 AM, glen e. p. ropella wrote:

However, sometimes the people you think are independent contractors
actually aren't (determined by audit or by filing a request with the IRS
and/or your state).  As I understand it, if these people are determined
to be employees, then you are an employer and the rules about providing
health insurance plans for part- and/or full-time employees apply to
you, whether or not you've incorporated.

On 12/06/2013 06:34 AM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:

IMHO. You would presumably be doing business as a sole proprietor and
not as a corporation and would hire them as independent contractors,
then I think the answer is no, because their contract will bestow no
employment benefits.  But I am not an attorney, so I'd consult my local
friendly employment lawyer.
Robert C

On 12/5/13 11:26 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:

This (finally) leads to the question I want to ask.  Let's assume that
I as an individual hire 500 people to work for me. I do not
incorporate; I just hire them individual to individual. Does anyone
know if the law requires me to provide health insurance for them?



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Re: [FRIAM] Corporate responsibility wrt health insurance

2013-12-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella

Yeah, the feds are the lesser worry, though (in my opinion).  It's the
states you have to watch out for, especially during budget shortfalls
and periods of high unemployment.

On 12/06/2013 02:52 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
 You might find the IRS Topic 762 - Independent Contractor vs. Employee
 useful at:
 http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc762.html
 It says it was updated in October this year so hopefully any ACA impacts
 have been applied.  Some links to pdf docs provide expanded info. 
 However this tends to approach the issue from the other end: if you
 provide certain benefits like medical insurance you are (probably) an
 employer not whether the law says you have to provide such benefits.

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Re: [FRIAM] Why I was wrong about the nuclear option

2013-12-06 Thread Jim Dunn
Thanks Joyce! I did receive the message you forwarded to me.  I think I’m set.

Jim

On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Eric Smith desm...@santafe.edu wrote:

 Hi Nick (who started the thread, regarding induction, but teasing with 
 current events), and Arlo who has kept it alive,
 
 For days I have been trying not to respond, but …
 
 This is about the nuclear option, not about induction.  
 
 Malcolm Gladwell had a piece in the New Yorker about David and Goliath a few 
 years ago:
 http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/090511fa_fact_gladwell
 A team of under-skilled basketball players makes it to the semifinals by 
 pushing the full court press on every play, every game.
 
 One story gets most of the time here, and it is Gladwell's message.  Pure 
 determination and the self-discipline to be more fit and stronger than your 
 opponents can overcome large differentials in gifts.  Maybe gifts aren't so 
 much earned as bestowed by luck of the draw, whereas conditioning is earned 
 with suffering, and so is more noble, etc.  Okay. 
 
 Let me acknowledge that there is a lot in this half of the story that I 
 admire and agree with, and Gladwell tells good stories. 
 
 There is another part of the story that does get mentioned, but not in more 
 than a sentence or two.  Many of the girls in the other teams, who were 
 hoping to win by skill, were not only frustrated but somewhat embittered at 
 being beaten through sheer unrelenting obstruction.  Gladwell does not demean 
 this, but he doesn't give it a lot of space either, as it is different from 
 the story he is here to tell. 
 
 A different take on the same story, however, might be that the purpose of 
 sport isn't (or shouldn't be) principally to provide a chance to declare 
 winners; it should be to use competition to bring out a certain form of 
 excellence, or skill, or beauty, or momentarily attaining a state of grace, 
 or whatever you want to call it.  David Rudisha's 800 or McKayla Maroney's 
 Amanar.  Not everybody who feels entitled to win and gets beaten by a more 
 determined opponent is mourning the loss of these things, but some do, and if 
 enough didn't, what would be left of anything, except a kind of uniform grey 
 siege?
 
 I can't stand the republican obstructionism, because if there is any good 
 faith behind any of it, in any rare individual, it is so far buried beneath 
 the pure meanness that all I can see left is doing a dance around the 
 bonfire as Rome burns.  We have much to lose, and I can't see any 
 difference of moral worth between people who are gleeful at its loss, and the 
 most degraded Taliban mentality, in which nothing is left but the saboteur.  
 
 But it's just the full court press, on every play, in every game.  
 
 So why doesn't -- why shouldn't (unless you believe it should) -- everything 
 degenerate to a simple siege?  What had ever maintained anything of enough 
 worth that there could be a nuclear option to threaten to take it away?  I 
 think I mean this as a science question.  
 
 I guess, said another way, by the time you are down to being limited by the 
 rules, most hope is lost.  The role of rules must be, it seems, to function 
 as catalysts within a system that is much more complicated than the rules 
 themselves, and what they catalyze is the preservation of honor (or other 
 value) by the system.  The preservation of things that can only be preserved 
 by more complicated systems than rules.  But without well-designed rules as 
 catalysts, the larger system could not be counted on to maintain these things 
 on its own.  What is the larger system?  What is its natural language?  How 
 do we worry about it in the right way (meaning, a productive way) when we 
 should worry?
 
 There is a kind of meanness or cynicism that likes to see hope dashed and 
 beauty destroyed, and this meanness answers me by saying that if it isn't in 
 the rules enforced with a gun, it isn't real, and only patsies fail to know 
 that.  
 
 I think that is an error, but it would be nice to have satisfying ways to get 
 at the thought, at some level closer to the precision we can bring to bear 
 when thinking about rules. 
 
 For a group of girls to win a season of basketball through a lot of guts and 
 planning is okay, and basketball will survive.  To lose a norm of honor in 
 the senate (already as wondrous as a snowball in hell) is not okay.  
 
 Eric
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
 
 You are bit by bit dragging me out on thin ice here (statistics and 
 probability) which is fine, so long as you are prepared to rescue me.
 
 I think, as a matter of practice, that the strength of an inference is 
 determined a priori when you define your population and select your sample 
 size.
 
 Does that sound right?
 
 The ice is as thin for me as for you but I would think that the probable 
 maximum strength of an inference is determined by the nature of the sample 
 (that can be measured within just