Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Carl Tollander]

OK, then.  Ken Nordine on Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYpCdY4Y_0


On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:33 PM Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20bill%20received%20bipartisan%20support,consent%20on%20March%2015%2C%202022.
> steeeve
> It's a BFD to me because of GP. mucking about with the clock a ruining
> winter is dumb.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:26 PM glen  wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Sure, it's obsolete.
>> And maybe it kills a few people, raises cortisol, etc. But there are so
>> many other things that affect our (sleep) cycles soo much more, like
>> obesity, alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok fomo, ... on and on. Passing such
>> a law feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Or maybe
>> complaining about how a reporter discussing Putin mispronounces "nukular"
>> ... an odd thing to complain about while the ICBM heads your way.
>>
>>
>> On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>> >> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the
>> clock change bull sh It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had
>> his usual tantrum.
>> >
>> >  From the linked article:
>> >
>> > /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan
>> legislation to abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time
>> permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida,
>> introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act <
>> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>//, and
>> Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./
>> >
>> > /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so
>> Oregonians aren’t springing back & forth each year in a silly exercise that
>> hurts everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted March 15. "Time now
>> for the House to act."/
>> >
>> > /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is now
>> stalled and scheduled to expire in December./
>> >
>> > /Let the debate resume in March 2023./
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I
>> thought the Sunshine Act <
>> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>would put
>> an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a
>> year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite
>> bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the
>> equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
>> >>
>> >> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into
>> their own hands independent of the rest of the country?
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms
>> from 12 noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a
>> day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5
>> (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of
>> having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for
>> you how we index time?
>> >>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Gillian Densmore]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20bill%20received%20bipartisan%20support,consent%20on%20March%2015%2C%202022.
steeeve
It's a BFD to me because of GP. mucking about with the clock a ruining
winter is dumb.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:26 PM glen  wrote:

> Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Sure, it's obsolete.
> And maybe it kills a few people, raises cortisol, etc. But there are so
> many other things that affect our (sleep) cycles soo much more, like
> obesity, alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok fomo, ... on and on. Passing such
> a law feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Or maybe
> complaining about how a reporter discussing Putin mispronounces "nukular"
> ... an odd thing to complain about while the ICBM heads your way.
>
>
> On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> >> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the
> clock change bull sh It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had
> his usual tantrum.
> >
> >  From the linked article:
> >
> > /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan
> legislation to abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time
> permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida,
> introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act <
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>//, and Sen.
> Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./
> >
> > /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so
> Oregonians aren’t springing back & forth each year in a silly exercise that
> hurts everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted March 15. "Time now
> for the House to act."/
> >
> > /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is now
> stalled and scheduled to expire in December./
> >
> > /Let the debate resume in March 2023./
> >
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
> >>
> >> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I
> thought the Sunshine Act <
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>would put an
> end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a year-round
> DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite bipartisan support
> in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the equator, effected
> least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
> >>
> >> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into
> their own hands independent of the rest of the country?
> >>
> >>
> https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
> >>
> >>
> >> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms
> from 12 noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a
> day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5
> (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of
> having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for
> you how we index time?
> >>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Gillian Densmore]

how in the f*** do we ...nevermind. I was looking forward to no more clock
nonsense. and sick and tired of how incompetent the government is. just
pass the gd bill it hurts no one and helps everyone. I guess I'll be moving
to Arizona, they got at least that much right.
God I despise the goverment.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:17 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

>
> On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the clock
> change bull sh   It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had his
> usual tantrum.
>
> From the linked article:
>
> *Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan
> legislation to abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time
> permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, introduced* *the
> Sunshine Protection Act
> **, and
> Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors.*
>
> *"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so Oregonians
> aren’t springing back & forth each year in a silly exercise that hurts
> everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted March 15. "Time now for
> the House to act."*
>
> *In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is now
> stalled and scheduled to expire in December.*
>
> *Let the debate resume in March 2023.*
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I thought
>> the Sunshine Act
>> would put
>> an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a
>> year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite
>> bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the
>> equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
>>
>> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into their
>> own hands independent of the rest of the country?
>>
>>
>> https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>>
>>
>> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms from 12
>> noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a
>> day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5
>> (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of
>> having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for
>> you how we index time?
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[glen]

Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Sure, it's obsolete. And maybe it 
kills a few people, raises cortisol, etc. But there are so many other things that affect 
our (sleep) cycles soo much more, like obesity, alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok 
fomo, ... on and on. Passing such a law feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the 
Titanic. Or maybe complaining about how a reporter discussing Putin mispronounces 
"nukular" ... an odd thing to complain about while the ICBM heads your way.


On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:


On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the clock 
change bull sh It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had his usual 
tantrum.


 From the linked article:

/Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan legislation to 
abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time permanent, beginning in 2023. 
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act 
//, and Sen. Ron 
Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./

/"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so Oregonians aren’t springing back & 
forth each year in a silly exercise that hurts everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted 
March 15. "Time now for the House to act."/

/In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is now stalled 
and scheduled to expire in December./

/Let the debate resume in March 2023./



On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I thought the Sunshine Act 
would put an end to that 
nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a year-round DST timesqew.   Looks 
like it is going to fail despite bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, 
closest to the equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...

Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into their 
own hands independent of the rest of the country?


https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/


I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms from 12 
noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a day/year/life.   
Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5 (or 9-4) for bankers) 
an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of having a state/federal/global 
government if it isn't going to decide for you how we index time?




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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Steve Smith]

On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the 
clock change bull sh It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck 
had his usual tantrum.


From the linked article:

   /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan
   legislation to abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time
   permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida,
   introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act
   //,
   and Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./

   /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so
   Oregonians aren’t springing back & forth each year in a silly
   exercise that hurts everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted
   March 15. "Time now for the House to act."/

   /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is now
   stalled and scheduled to expire in December./

   /Let the debate resume in March 2023./



On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I
thought the Sunshine Act
would
put an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side"
with a year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail
despite bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that
Florida, closest to the equator, effected least, would be the one
to sponsor/promote it?)...

Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into
their own hands independent of the rest of the country?


https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/


I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms
from 12 noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call
it a day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to
sqew the 8-5 (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but
what is the point of having a state/federal/global government if
it isn't going to decide for you how we index time?


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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Gillian Densmore]

Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the clock
change bull sh   It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had his
usual tantrum.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I thought
> the Sunshine Act
> would put
> an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a
> year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite
> bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the
> equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
>
> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into their
> own hands independent of the rest of the country?
>
>
> https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>
>
> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms from 12
> noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a
> day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5
> (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of
> having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for
> you how we index time?
>
>
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[FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Steve Smith]

as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I thought 
the Sunshine Act 
would put 
an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a 
year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite 
bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to 
the equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...


Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into their 
own hands independent of the rest of the country?


   
https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/


I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms from 12 
noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a 
day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 
8-5 (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point 
of having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide 
for you how we index time?


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Re: [FRIAM] books by cheng and chang

[glen]

I'd forgotten about this until the release yesterday:

https://joinbookwyrm.com/



On 11/2/22 14:52, Steve Smith wrote:


On 11/2/22 9:43 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

Thanks, Glen.

It would be nice if there were a public bibliographic reference url that one 
could use to name a book that only conveyed the thing in itself.  Goodreads was 
that once, then Amazon bought them.  Ditto for video and audio recordings and 
other objects of public interest.


I admit to continuing to use Goodreads this way in spite of two problems... the 
Amazon affiliation/ownership of course, but also the too often spotty 
reviews...  I don't provide many nor particularly good reviews myself, so I've 
no room to complain really.

So I suppose I agree with your "public bibliographic reference url" point.   It 
seems as if Wikipedia is a good candidate but I haven't done the work to understand how 
new entries are made... are they always required to be made by a citizen of the community 
who is NOT affiliated with the book (publisher, author, etc)? I find a *lot* of the books 
I seek in Wikipedia and prefer them for reference when their book-description (and cross 
links to related works, author, etc) are particularly apt, but that is also spotty.   I 
use Goodreads mostly to follow what family/friends are reading and what *they* think of 
their reads.

The trend toward crowd-sourced public-use corpii being acquired by private interests 
(even public corporations are private interests) is disturbing (FB <-Mapillary, 
Amazon<-Goodreads)...   Twitter->BoringCo, etc)



Eugenia Cheng has other books and a pile of youtube videos.  Interestingly, her primary 
institutional affiliation is the Art Institute of Chicago, where as resident scientist she teaches 
math to art students.  She has a public reading for kids scheduled in Jersey City this month.  Her 
definition of category theory is "the mathematics of mathematics" which she expands as 
"the logical study of the logical study of logical things."

Hasok Chang has a third book, Is Water H2O, which Amazon fails to index on his 
amazon author page, though it is on amazon at a blistering price in every 
available format.  I found a pdf on the internets.  It's details the history of 
working out the chemical identity of water. Two themes are that 1) the 
consensus answers to scientific questions often change in anticipation of the 
arrival of corroboration, 2) there are often multiple acceptable answers to 
scientific questions.  These are possibly consequences of being a realisitic 
realist.


Interesting set of recursions...  we CS types tend to love our arbitrary-depth recursion, 
but the special cases like double-negatives, and Rummy's unkown unknowns and now Chang's 
logical logicologoy of logics and realistic realists are ... *special*?  While some may 
prefer "turtles all the way down" sometimes just a few turtles deep suffices?

- Steve

PS... couldn't help hearing/reading "Cheech&Chong" on the first reading of this 
thread.



-- rec --

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 9:57 AM glen  wrote:

There. I fixed that for you. 8^D

On 11/1/22 19:36, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Interesting visit with my old boss/friend today, he mentioned some books 
of interest, and while looking for them I discovered yet another book.
>


https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-joy-of-abstraction-an-exploration-of-math-category-theory-and-life-eugenia-cheng/18557720?ean=9781108477222

> Exploration-Category-Theory/dp/1108477224>
> Eugenia Cheng, The Joy of Abstraction: An Exploration of Math, Category 
Theory, and Life, published October 2022.
>
> A presentation of category theory that keeps the underlying algebra basic.
>


https://bookshop.org/p/books/inventing-temperature-measurement-and-scientific-progress-hasok-chang/9513488?ean=9780195337389

> Hasok Chang, Inventing Temperature: Measurement and Scientific Progress
>
> An itemized history of temperature and all the wrong turns taken along 
the way, more detail than even the author cares to read again.  Poetic justice to 
examine the operation of the pragmatist's ratchet and pawl over the centuries as 
it rescues workable definitions of temperature from thermal confusion.
>


https://bookshop.org/p/books/realism-for-realistic-people-a-new-pragmatist-philosophy-of-science-hasok-chang/18368583?ean=9781108470384

> Hasok Chang, Realism for Realistic People: A New Pragmatist Philosophy of 
Science, available on kindle on November 30, 2022.
>
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[FRIAM] SPC Hourly Mesoscale Analysis

[thompnickson2]

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/new/viewsector.php?sector=19
 &parm=300mb 

The fastest route to Boston from ABQ today is via Ontario.   You could shave
an hour off the flight.  Snow on the ground here in Santa Fe.  Indian summer
in MA.  The whole system is propagating eastward so if you are east of NM,
keep an eye on your forecasts.  

N

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[FRIAM] SPC Hourly Mesoscale Analysis

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https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/new/viewsector.php?sector=19
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Fastest route from NM to Boston today is via Ontario.  

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Re: [FRIAM] Clouds as objects and duals

[thompnickson2]

Gang,

 

Ok, so I had a few moments to look into it and discovered that I am precisely 
and absolutely wrong.  Egregiously so.  This is exactly, classically,  a roll 
cloud … “arcus”.  

 

They are different from “shelf” and “wall” clouds in that they are not 
necessarily near thunderstorms.  Shelf clouds are quite common and form at the 
downdraft front of a thunderstorm where it passes by  the updraft.  In MA, 
almost every summer thunderstorm has one.  They seem to have a structure very 
similar to this roll cloud (hence my confusion).   What is striking about roll 
clouds is that they seem to progress through an otherwise stable atmosphere.  

 

I am not in NM in the summer, so I don’t know how common roll clouds are here, 
but because of the very low humidity, on NM radar in the summer you can often 
see downdraft gust fronts propagating outward  from thunderstorms for miles as 
faint lines encircling the former location of a long-dead parent storm.   A bit 
like “fairy rings”   of mushrooms.   
Where a gust front encounters potentially UN-stable air, it often initiates 
another thunderstorm.  

 

The other similar phenomenon is a derecho 
 .   I have no idea how 
these work, but they are gust fronts that propagate across enormous distances.  
One famous one a few years back took out electricity, trees, etc. all the way 
from Iowa to DC.  Is a derecho just a very nasty roll cloud?  Dunno.  I think I 
am not the only person to be confused about the distinction between a derecho, 
a shelf cloud, and a roll cloud.  Just excupatin’

 

Nick 

 

Nick Thompson

  thompnicks...@gmail.com

  
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:18 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] Clouds as objects and duals

 

Amazing video of a "roll cloud" that seems to neatly demonstrate many of the 
things we discuss fairly often. It is extremely object-like. "It" seems to move 
around despite continuously forming and reforming itself at the boarder, while 
seeming not to "mix" with the "layers" around it. And, of course, the air 
around it is "pulling" it into place as much as the air in it is "pushing" into 
new space, so it gets at all of Steve's bidirectional-causality urges. 
Anyway... if nothing else, it is pretty damned cool to watch: 

 

 https://youtu.be/InxQlUOYAng?t=58

 

 

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