Re: [FRIAM] Clocks
Marcus, Not bad first steps. It knows how to describe the construction of a clock (an atomic beam, recognition of electron states, etc...), now for it to complete the task. What additional steps would I need to prompt, write, describe, etc... for it to find examples not already in the convex hull of its training? What about the reliability condition? Once it has its atomic clock "in hand", how do I set it loose to discover additional reliable clocks? What I liked most about your (transduction?) post on qualia is the emphasis on doings free from natural language. Steve, I thought about the coupled resonances angle, which to some extent got me wondering whether the machine would need to have/be a reliable time-keeping mechanism itself. Also, the lever. I was curious if this was too low hanging? People often joke that if you know you have a hammer then everything is a nail, but what if you need a hammer? It seems like I might be able to generate (via genetic algorithm or something?) an endless unit test file, but I suspect that the tests would quickly become inconsistent. Anyone, One thing I am finding interesting about polycomputing is the lack of original intent an organ, process or artifact needs to have for another agent to find any use in that organ, process or artifact. Exaptation seems related to function seeking behavior, of course it also need not be. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Clocks
Reflecting on recent conversations (both here and abroad), Michael Levin's developments of polycomputing, and in preparation for my new role as career coach to a GPT model, I have come to wonder: How might one productively set out to architect an unsupervised learning machine capable of discovering what all can be reliably used as a clock? I am imagining a machine with sensory organs that is able to (though not necessarily) generalize its learnings. I imagine it successful if it decides to not rely on a broken clock, nor an image of a clock face, nor one programmed to move its arms at random. I imagine it is successful if it learns to track the sun, the circadian rhythms of animals or plants, if it recognizes the masing pulses of water in star forming galaxies, cellular clocks, etc... Would such a machine necessarily be/have a clock itself? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Lebesgue
I love imagining this brilliant moment in late stage advanced capitalism when there were at most four television stations and somehow some poor kid found this broadcast, thought it was Dr. Who, and proceeded to hide behind the couch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg83UhV9A58=PLISEtDmihMo2i5tj7UCmz43dORdpG_SMY=1s -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency
Numbers are real things. The more one explores them, the more experiences one has of them, the more confidently one comes to rely on them. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Joscha Bach claims Microsoft sentient but not conscious
An interesting collection of ideas regarding consciousness. For instance, not meta cognition but immediate perception. A bubble of nowness, etc... I am not certain if the lecture is interesting, but it seemed relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLbHm-bJQE=908s -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought
Maybe I am conscious. I cannot help but notice a perverse smile forming over my face when I consider that a program is not conscious because it does what I tell it to do and that a cat is not because it refuses to play my game. I suspect that Michael Jordan was not when he was fully in the world, dominating his sport, and that the critic is conscious because they sit outside of it all and judge. The recent Wes Anderson film "Asteroid City" offered probably my favorite characterization of this dichotomy. In the film, two different camps arrive in the middle of the desert--the Stargazers and the Space Cadets. Each type clearly has its degree, its savants and its remedials, but each absolutely their own special kind. One father character arrives with his son and triplet daughters. The father makes many attempts to resolve these questions of awareness wrt his children throughout the film. The son--with whom he most relates--is clearly outside of it all, therefore conscious. The daughters (likely the greatest representation of Moirai I have seen in film) engage in a continuous and unselfconscious display of ritual making and determination of destiny. They are therefore not conscious. Pretty entertaining stuff. I was hoping to write more on type theory, Bergsonism, and the impossibility of presenting a randomly drawn real number. I suppose I will have to wait for those thoughts to settle into something I can offer. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] AI art
Chess tends to have a pretty specific culture relative to other similar games. Often whenever I find chess happening in public spaces I will stop to watch a game and occasionally a player will ask if I play. I don't play chess, but I know enough of the rules that I enjoy speculating as to what I might do in a given board position or what the players might be thinking themselves. Typically, my response is that I do not play, that I would love to learn and I would love a teaching game. Players almost never take me up on the offer. I get the feeling that teaching games are not part of the culture, at least not here in the United States. I get the strong feeling that this is because chess players tend not to see the game as beautiful, something to be intimate with and share. The only teaching game I have received to date was from a Georgian who I believe does see the game as beautiful. While I am not a chess player, my love of go gives me an appreciation for strategy games and I find that the audience for public displays of these games are typically others who engage in speculation similarly. It really doesn't matter to me whether or not I am watching a human game or not. My go server, for instance, is deep in the Turing challenge. The server offers not only the opportunity to play mostly anonymous games with others, but also to be a spectator to live games on the server. It is often completely unclear as to the ontological status of the players and lines of differentiation can be drawn nearly everywhere. There are degrees of cyborg, degrees of experimentation versus repertoire, degrees of deception at nearly every level. My go playing friends and I will sometimes attempt to guess the nature of the bot we are witnessing, the degree to which it is MCMC or DCN or simply someone's idea of an entertaining and completely top down rules based engine. When I watch games between strong professionals online (sometimes on servers, NHK, or Twitch) there can sometimes be a significant difference in the rankings of both players. The stronger player is in effect giving a teaching game to the weaker. Often both players are part of the same study group within their organization and while both are interested in winning the match, they both have a dedication to a kind of scientific discovery of the game. They are helping each other to see further. I have no hope of seeing what they see, but in my engagement with their game I am hoping to also see further. Perhaps a year ago now, I mentioned on this forum a discussion I had with Michael Redmond 9-dan on his twitch stream, late one night. He made it clear to me that while the strongest AI bots on the planet are very good, they likely can only see 10-15% into the game of go. At the time of Lee Sedol's retirement games (in which he chose to play a specially made AI), the strongest players on the planet were 30 points weaker than AI. Today, with AI study and related narrative construction, humans have reduced the gap to 10 points. Further, AlphaGo discovered new joseki by exploring directions long thought (200 years or more) to be deadends. Strong players have since learned to understand these openings and those that play them tend to win more often than those that don't. This suggests to me that the AI is capable of finding large scale optimizations that we can leverage beyond being simply local, tactical and narrowly defined computational advantage. The Go community (and here I mean strong amateurs to top professionals) study with AI, play with AI (competitively and collaboratively), and seem to accept AI as both a partner and a tool. I sometimes watch MassGo on Twitch play games where each player chooses a particular AI engine and uses their engine to suggest three top moves. Then the players choose for themselves the move that they find most interesting. Once the game is over they review, co-constructing narratives alongside a third AI analysis tool. I am not sure this kind of thing happens in the chess world, but it does remind me a lot of the kinds of human-computer interactions that do happen in art. I suspect that in the long run, for those communities open enough, purity will matter less and less, while a refinement for what is novel and interesting will become more diverse and specific. In many ways, I believe that it is what we want from studying a game and the agency our tools afford us that determines the excitement we feel in engaging those tools. At present, I am happy with the new directions my community is advancing alongside these AI tools. Last and tangentially, I assume many here have already listened to the recent Ezra Klein podcast with Holly Herndon. I appreciate the sensibility Holly brings to not only uses of AI in art, but also the clarity with which she seems to understand her own relationship to art in general. The podcast begins with Ezra highlighting that mimicry is the present and dominating state-of-affairs for AI art, but that there are some
Re: [FRIAM] Daniel Dennett (1942-2024)
I will miss the conversations I had with him at tea. What a fantastic thinker. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Michael Levin: "Emergent Selves and Unconventional Intelligences"
Last night's Ulam lecturer mentioned this guy and I was excited to see Levin lecturing at the Topos institute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CMh-9bAL4s_channel=ToposInstitute -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Automata with FFT
One thing that got me interested in this work is the possibility of organizations of agents in different frequency spaces coming together to make agents over the total frequency domain. Also, I would be curious about the robustness of agents under frequency filtering. There appear to be possibilities here that weren't necessarily available in other "smooth" approaches. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] (no subject)
Steve - Reponsive to your references to Sabine Hossenfelder, et al... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR_8gpJCT4I=69s_channel=BoilerRoom -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Automata with FFT
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[FRIAM] Mathematics in the 21st century
Baez on the mathematics in the 21st century Pretty interesting stuff and a great overview of some more recent thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUqqQXFTHUY_channel=ToposInstitute -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Three Realisms and The Idea of Sheaves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuWHN0BTio_channel=ToposInstitute In this video, David Jaz Myers describes 3 different modalities by which mathematicians might model aspects of the world using sheaves. It touches on some of the ideas we have been kicking around regarding Wolpert's paper, on the one hand, and William James ideas about agreement, on the other. The video is pretty accessible for non-specialists. David does a pretty solid job of showing how categories aim to capture perceptions we might have about the world. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] pardon the interuption,
Dope. It would be really cool to read/see the further adventures of Munchy Man and the politically-incorrect worlds he visits. Many years ago, I worked in a Deli at a coop where one of the cashiers was my friend. We coped by collaborating on a comic called "grisly customer death". It mostly involved people walking up to my counter or his register, asking a banal question, and then a piano falling and crushing them. I look forward to the internet becoming a more interesting place. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] pardon the interuption,
I know my response doesn't approach your questions, but... 1. That's awesome. What do you sketch? 2. What got you back into it? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder
What follows are mostly speculations: It is possible that we do not get to have closed cartesianess (with all of its currying and the rest) and so we do not really get to have *all* possible worlds, perhaps only those that are symmetric monoidal. Still, what then does this mean for us, since we can clearly posit cartesian closed categories (like Set) and reason about them. That is, they are somehow afforded to us like any other fiction, and like other fiction, they play a role in our understanding of ourselves (Tennesse Williams) and our understanding of our worlds (Noether[∫]). Glen has me right when he suggests that I am not particularly wed to the idea of a monism; whether it be monotheism, experience, category theory, GUTs, etc... But I do find studying the available monoids to be as fruitful as studying the available groupoids, etc... In Lee Smolin's "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity", he conveys (as Hywel often did) a skepticism toward universal acceptance of the law of conservation, suggesting that a world with clean opposites would be a trivial one. This has me thinking about the role duality plays in modern mathematics (Galois theory, say) where we are not interested in invertible maps between categories with different internal structures (fields versus groups, say), rather we look for best approximations to invertible maps (the adjoint functor perspective). It wouldn't surprise me that that despite the successes of Maxwell to pin down E as two faces of the same coin, that our quest for magnetic monopoles will continue to be stymied because the duality isn't exact. That where we attempt to reconcile two "kinds" of things, we will find subtly different, yet corresponding algebras. I mention some of this because duality (and symmetry more generally) may simply be "afforded" to us and not "reality" for us. Still, the world (and I use the term loosely) may reward those that believe (and act on) such a fiction[Ax]. So then, many programs (it seems to me) rely on being able to "dualize" into a larger space of possibilities/fictions, in order to make sense out of what may be much more constrained. It may very well be the case that the world, for instance, *must* be logically consistent and complete and so can only support first order logics, but assuming not, I would feel compelled to ask whether this world was one that has the axiom of choice or not. My intuition (and preference) is to imagine (as Glen suggests) that the in-principle ends of our questionings do not culminate in a single monastic theory ;) At present, I am entertaining Everett's monism, and wondering if all we physically perceive are the moments of decoherence, and that what we experience as particles are little more than the aliasing effects of a wave function shedding its skin. [∫] I am reminded of the Maria La Palme Reyes' (et al) observation in their paper "Reference, Kinds and Predicates": "The role of counterfactual situations in determining the actual is further exemplified in classical Mechanics. To determine the real trajectory of a body, we use the calculus of variations and compute the Lagrangian of all its possible trajectories, most of which are only logically, not physically, possible. We choose as the real trajectory the one for which the Lagrangian has a minimum (or stationary) value. The possible is essential to describe the real." [Ax]. For instance, when chatting with EricS I get the impression that linear classifiers can be unreasonably effective at sorting the bio- chemical world. Despite the improbability of linearly evolving genes, there is clearly a huge benefit in approximating linearity. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Wolpert - discussion thread placeholder
I am often confused by what people imagine "tech" to be, and then I wonder what the forward-looking name for luddite is. From my twisted perspective, the newest consumables merely add noise, produce another roll of the dice, and leave us only able to speak about the distance we, via this stochastic process, are "expected" to be from some origins. Mostly when I see new consumables I am confused about the excitement, and where some can only see their potential, I immediately envision an unremarkable end. For instance, I have never owned a cell phone, and the longer I watch others explore this technology, the less impressed I am. It doesn't seem a strain to imagine a world where they are as disregarded as oil painting is today. This week, some coworkers asked me where I manage to find payphones, all-the-while I am stunned that not one of them knows how computations are performed or what a semiconductor is. As a side-effect of my ambivalence, new niches have appeared for the likes of me, some in the form of privacy (as telemarketers leave the domain of landlines or friends learn that if I do not pick up the phone it is because I am not home) and others in terms of inheriting the benefits of a distributed network without needing to be an explicit node. My patience leaves me wondering how best to identify a luddite. I mention the above, in part, because entertaining the notion of hyper- computation is to mod out by what even quantum computing adds to our understanding of Turing machines. The "tech" in the limit may not be the iterated colimits of the consumables we see lying around. Instead, it seems reasonable to read technological enhancement as the quest for programs not indexed by zahlen, but traced by the reals, and this is something wholly different than natural selection amplifying small differences in some initial configuration. As some on-list may know, I am on a Sean Carroll kick at the moment. In his paper "Reality as a Vector in Hilbert Space'', he takes on Everrett's project of developing the classical world from the Schrodinger equation. This "development" includes the derivation of space-time itself (light cones and all) from arguments regarding mutual information. Additionally, there is the assumption (and distinct possibility) that *our* Hilbert space is finite dimensional, thanks to gravity. Further, in this work, we see continued discussion around the importance of being able to factor space into tensored products of (potentially open) systems. Somewhere in all of this, I can almost see where Wolpert's questions, Carroll's quest, and the tremendous amount of work being done by Baez and friends on mereology are all part of a quasi-coherent project, happening now. Is it willful ignorance to avoid engaging in this work? At present, I don't feel like I have the tech to judge. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] truth-preserving math
Thank you for this article. Subject matter related to quantum fields, the Schwinger effect and the Casimir effect are very much where my mind has been lately. I continue an attempt to reconcile recent thoughts on the different candidate GUTs, the resolution of infinite contributions of virtual particle energies, analytic continuation and the Riemann zeta function to some ephemeral thoughts I have on continuum computation, derivatives of Turing machines, Gödel, and possible thermodynamic limitations of infinitesimal bits. It would be really great if these ideas would settle into something tangible. I would like to contribute something to that discussion. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] God is not a Good Theory
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[FRIAM] I'll never be Gauss, I'll never an Eno...
I'll only ever be a Gary Numan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nJu5OaN40o_channel=pierre291772 -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Fourier image space, duality, filtering and compression
At today's zoom meeting, Barry mentioned something that I suspect was interesting if I could have heard it. It was part of a larger point about, perhaps, regretting not being introduced to Noether's theorem when learning harmonic analysis. It reminded me of a question that Sarah asked me while we were on vacation. She asked, "From what data did Heisenberg arrive at his famous inequality? What physical experiment, if any, grounds the result". Throughout the historical literature it is mentioned that he was unaware of matrices and that eventually Max Born pointed out uncertainty as a consequence of their non-commutativity. This got me wondering what mathematical tools he did have in hand, what it was like back then to study harmonic analysis outside of a linear algebraic context, as pure analysis? Since Germany clearly voted Heisenberg "most likely to produce a nuclear weapon", I have no doubt that he was very capable, but it does leave me wondering what his intellectual process was like, what tools were in the shed. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Fourier image space, duality, filtering and compression
Yep, I have the 7th edition and have been looking at appendix D. Thank you for finding the notes. I hope to make the live meeting tomorrow. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Fourier image space, duality, filtering and compression
Ed, FWIW, we did discuss Gibb's phenomenon quite a bit and how JPEG compression could be understood as a manifestation of the uncertainty principle. I would love to have a copy of your notes from the summer short course at the institute for optics. Also, I would like to pick your brain about interpolation methods. I have a project where applications of either Hermite, b-splines or possibly Chebyshev polynomials would give me a nice speed up when applied as a preprocessor for a discrete cosine transform. Cheers, Jon -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] state space reconstruction
Hellz yeah. They are pretty wonderful. The drums remind me of Aphex Twin or Squarepusher or something like that. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe’s favorite scientific software firm
Hey, thanks man! They seem interested in letting us carry on with our business of doing science and leaving all offices in place (the main office in Santa Fe; others in Cologne, Tokyo, and Boston). I guess we are set to be a subsidiary of a new life sciences division for Cadence. I think it would be really cool if somehow their specialized hardware met our MD simulations. We'll see. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] April 21, 1958
I'm such a big fan of Colin McLarty. Here he is giving an historical lecture on the birth of Topos theory. Who would have thunk it, that Kansas in the 50s would be ground zero of a mathematical revolution that is only now becoming palpable to the many. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmcbm5FxRJE_channel=GraduateMathematics -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] stranger than fiction
"""Current in silico software is only accessible to large pharmaceutical companies willing to pay obnoxious licensing fees. Students in every country no matter their university, startup companies to Fortune 500s, and even dedicated hobbyists will all have the same opportunity to design new molecules to change the future of drug discovery," said Shkreli, co-founder of Druglike.""" FWIW, my company's software is free to academics. This article hides the fact that the majority of the economic barrier to entry is not licensing but the cost of performing the large-scale simulations necessary to do docking, md, generating conformers, or what-have-you. Drug discovery is computationally hard and if AWS or whoever is going to ultimately charge for compute then someone along the path will need to pay for that compute. Just my two cents. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Herbert Marcuse & Bryan Magee (1978)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U23Ho0m_Sv0_channel=PhilosophyOverdose "The economic convulsions that wracked western societies...were seen at the time, by most Marxists, as being the breakdown of the capitalist system, which Marxist theory had always predicted. However, whereas according to the theory, this was supposed to lead to communism, in not one single such western society did communist regimes emerge, what did emerge in several of them was fascism." Bryan Magee opens in this discussion with Herbert Marcuse, and I am left wondering what Marcuse would think about the world today. One point of humour for me was to see that the Frankfurt school was so concerned with unconstrained penetration of the state into the economy, and today it appears that the reverse is what is so unbearable. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] self-care
I think I disagree with Glen here. When the accumulated meatiness of "my"
fist meets the face of the bloke next to "me" at the bar, I see no problem
with him blaming "me" for the violence, whether or not there is a
consistent formal theory of "me" for him to found his judgement upon. It is
an abuse of rhetoric, IMO, to then go on to explain to the bloke why I
couldn't have punched him.
as far as:
"""
Seen from New Delhi (India), a distance of 8,000 miles, the US of A appears
as a monolithic ("One nation under a Christian God") capitalist nation
regardless of which of your 2 interchangeable parties are in power in
Washington. For us Trump is the same as Biden, Farid Zakaria is no
different from Tucker Carlson.
"""
Yeah, some of us here feel that way too. I am always sorry to hear
that this kind of violence is being perpetrated around the globe. It
doesn't take much work to uncover some truly inhumane actions carried
out or supported by actors at all levels of American hegemony.
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Re: [FRIAM] Being someone else
Yep. This is what I think makes subjects like film theory and its extensions like critical film theory so central to postmodernist philosophy (a'la Bergson and Peirce via Deleuze[1]). Even in Bergson's explicit philosophical work on duration, he leans quite a bit on cinema. A few years ago, there was a lecturer at St. John's (in in Santa Fe) that fleshed out a wonderful theory of time travel (via the film La Jetée) through the lens of Bergson. For years now, I have wanted to contribute my own piece to the analysis of that film, its conception of duration, fixation on a moment, and latent references to Euclid's second proposition[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_1:_The_Movement_Image [2] http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/elements/bookI/propI2.html -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Baez on the number 24
An older lecture that somehow I missed ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjbRhYjELo_channel=JamesWaechter -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] City of a Million Dreams
For those that love New Orleans, here is a trailer for a new documentary on New Orleans and its funeral band culture. I am hoping to get a chance to see it myself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44aV2Thx4eA_channel=CityofaMillionDreams -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Virgil Griffith was sentenced to 63 months on April 12
Oh yeah, I remember that talk. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] poly as the true language of computation
monads => "evaluation" comonads => "experience" polynomial functions and data migrations inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqCNibMisI_channel=ToposInstitute David is pretty great. I had the pleasure to have a few conversations with him when he was still at University of Oregon and before he left to work with Jacob Laurie on the east coast. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] A mildly amusing FaceBook [or is that Meta?] tale
A hard number to guess? I will guess somewhere between 196,560 and 196,884. Yeah, those derp-face pictures are my favorite. I feel for the most vain, those making those beaucoup bucks, those dancing in bikinis on Twitch. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] monsters and black holes
And because it is awesome when some integer gets its own Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1729_(number) -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] monsters and black holes
"...and mock modular forms, well they're really cute functions displaying very funny properties on a modular transformation." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1L6Hd49nT4_channel=QuantaMagazine Introduction to moonshine in fewer than 2 mins. Sorry to blow the list up with this tangent. It's just where I'm at. For those that like technical details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOY_MzmS0Zk_channel=Vikt%C3%B3r -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Cultural Evolution Redux
Yeah, I thought about losing about the same (~500 to ~1k) on producing a split 10'' with another local musician. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Google Engineer Thinks AI Bot Has Become Sentient
FWIW, I still feel that the Turing test is worse than non-sense. Worse in that it suggests a feasible program, which it doesn't. Like opposing free will with determinism, from a false opposition comes a seductive limit. I wonder if we will ever hear from the Google employee themself, and this appears to be the best I can hope for. It has always appeared to me that Turing was joking. It only confuses me that others don't. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] monsters and black holes
I know that this is now a few years old, but I just found it and enjoyed it today. It is a wonderful exposition of some fairly surprising connections between string theory, number theory, and modular forms. Jeffrey Harvey - From Moonshine to Black Holes: Number Theory in Math and Physics (Sept 6, 2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6nqXItDQE_channel=SimonsFoundation -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes revisited
Just to verify that I am reading you, the additive classifier *should* do a horrible job exactly because N+1 << 2^N. Selection is nullified by linearity, while modularity benefits from linearity. As a consequence, and through an evo-devo lens, biology optimizes about this paradox. Do I have this right about selection? In a recent conversation with Nick, I got the impression that this paradox of heritability is the source of one of his *bugs*. """ A much better decomposition, of course, is not to use structureless sets like cumulants, but rather to find representations of algorithmic architectures that can be put into a frame of statistical identification. """ Are cumulants structureless? I keep thinking of them as being analogous to moments and effectively differential information, but OTOH, maybe all the *logs* stills this. Idk, I am a newbie here. The other idea your comment calls to mind is the work being done to *learn algebraic varieties*. Like varieties (the geometric objects they are) are the consequence of an underlying algebra of operations (polynomial rings), representations of programs (as denotation-level objects) can be learned despite the inevitably wide variety of implementations. Thank you for the references and the consideration. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Another reason the future is nothing like the past...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiadG3ywJIs_channel=Tai-DanaeBradley What a great way to introduce readers to a phd thesis. https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4773=gc_etds joy! -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] @Frank
Thanks for the offer. Possibly? My first-year topology teacher wrote a pretty good book on homology: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4612-0881-5 In general, thanks to this theorem of Hurewitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurewicz_theorem I am not concerned about whether it be homotopy or any of the many variants of homology. The Baez was pretty great in that it managed to pull together many branches of mathematics that are all wonderful to spend time with. That same publisher (world scientific) puts out many good books. I just ordered two: 1. The Universal Mandelbrot Set https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/6136 2. Fractal Strings https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/10728 If either of these sounds good, then awesome. Lastly, I want to know whatever I can about weighed ensemble in the context of enhanced sampling. Cheers -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] oversight
"But, I feel like Jon's signaled that this horse has been well pummeled." I apologize if that is what I am signaling, I'm in a weird headspace. Sometimes I value individuals for being no different than the role they play in some kind of para-agreed-upon denotational semantics, other times I am thankful that we are operational beings responding to the universe with our every fiber. I imagine needing something like cohomology to measure the degree to which some Java-like interface succeeds or fails to match its underlying algebra of behaviors. The degree to which I can rely on Sarah to surprise me with potato chips from the store, or some other satisfactory value from our shared model of shopping, makes me appreciate agreement. She seems to feel similarly when I intuit that it is useful to hold the board while she drills. On my go server, I treat and get treated by others as rank. I get tilted when the difference between my stated rank and my opponents is not predictive of the quality of our games. This annoyance seems to generalize well, abuses of notation and sleights-of-hand are examples of profiteering from the cohomology. Sometimes perspective appears to be little more than varying the degree of crispness about objects while paraconsistently stitching together propositions. Of course, this isn't a damning judgment because it is clear that such an approach is indispensable for rapidly mocking up just-in-time narratives, and handwaving refactorizations of any and all underlying implementations, and all at breakneck speed. It is all kind of impressive. Anyway, please don't feel you need to stop a conversation you are enjoying. I am just a bit jealous because I am feeling intellectually lonely while others seem to be having so much fun. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] oversight
they have suffered. Life is suffering. Can anyone ramble about homotopy probability theory for a while? There isn't much published on it yet, but it looks tasty. Is it possible because of HoTT? It may not be all that cool, it looks like cumulants are just logged generating functions, but idk... -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] oversight
Roe vs. Wade? Why not sink into Buck vs. Bell? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] codes
I meant to post this a bit ago when we were posting on ciphers, cryptography, and codes: The algorithm was run on the prison text. A portion of the final result is shown in Figure 4. It gives a useful decoding that seemed to work on additional texts...I like this example because a) it is real, b) there is no question the algorithm found the correct answer, and c) the procedure works despite the implausible underlying assumptions. In fact, the message is in a mix of English, Spanish and prison jargon. The plausibility measure is based on first-order transitions only. A preliminary attempt with single-letter frequencies failed. To be honest, several practical details have been omitted: we allowed an unspecified “?” symbol in the deviation (with transitions to and from “?” being initially uniform). The display in Figure 4 was ‘cleaned up’ by a bit of human tinkering. I must also add that the algorithm described has a perfectly natural derivation as Bayesian statistics. https://math.uchicago.edu/~shmuel/Network-course-readings/MCMCRev.pdf -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] A boy named Woo
I just ordered some bumper stickers that say, "Energy is a Riemann metric on configuration space". Let me know if you would like one. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions
Glen writes: """ Nick likes to say he's grateful for anyone who reads his writing. But the actual good faith action is to criticize it. Reading it is like nodding politely with the occasional "ah", "yes", "uh-huh" while someone tells you their boring story. Engagement is the real objective. Reading is a mere means to that end. And disagreement is demonstrative engagement. """ I apologize for disagreeing and reading past the text in places. When I think about *reading* awkward social situations or divvying up grocery store tasks with my partner, disagreement is not always my preferred form of demonstrative engagement. Sometimes it is pleasant to offload some of the implementation details to a "group thought" compiler. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes revisited
An interesting property of turbulence is that it need not be a statement about fluids, but rather a property entailed by a system of equations. One can easily imagine a researcher that reasonably claims that to understand the Zeta function would be to understand turbulence. Just as easily one can imagine meeting a researcher that claims that they work on the Zeta function, but only within certain regimes of interest. https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/10728 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1505.01548.pdf -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions
"""Negation is a stupid concept, perhaps the most Evil human invention ... maybe 2nd only to religion""" Totally. Curse you Hegel (whereever you are). Also, I add the concept of limit to that list. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] fluid codes revisited
EricS, Thanks for getting back to me with a reference[1]. I printed a couple of pages of it, which I then scrape out time to read. In a rare moment of straightforward computation, NickT walked me through how one performs an analysis of variation. Now I am reading a little bit of "Beyond Versus" about the history of the nature-nurture debate. There, the author discusses Fisher's notion of *interaction* as a deviation from additivity. This got me thinking again about my question regarding additivity and your comment about finding correct *aggregation operators*. To what degree does this *wider class* of operators correspond to instances of coproducts in context-appropriate categories? My wondering begins with the observation that *interactions* can often be represented by (hyper?)-arrows (or at least *(hyper?)-edges) and that such structured things can often have their own notions of *additivity* (following from the notion of coproduct and especially in linear categories, aka, additive categories). Does this jive with your understanding? [1] https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2022-April/092364.html -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Whether Shannon or Nyquist, I don't know if I can be clear...
Wow, I didn't realize that someone made this quasi-documentary about Claude Shannon: The Bit Player | Claude Shannon | Father of Information Theory | IEEE Information Theory Society https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP1Ljp8X6hg_channel=VaibhavPatil It covers a lot of the same ground as "A Mind at Play", and is pretty enjoyable so far. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] more fluids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDN4bKzgqOE_channel=AnneArchibald <3 RT -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes
ps. In: https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2022-March/092172.html EricS writes: 3. Then (actually, all along since the beginning of the construction) one needs to talk about what kind of aggregation operator we can apply to systems, and quantities that do accumulate under aggregation become the arguments of the state-function entropy, and the extensive state variables. (I say “accumulate” in favor of the more restrictive word “add”, because what we really require is that they are what are termed “scale factors” in large-deviation language, and we can admit a somewhat wider class of kinds of accumulation than just addition, though addition is the extremely common one.) By somewhat "wider class" is it meant that one would require only the *multiplication by a scalar* condition of linearity without requiring additivity? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] fluid codes
SteveG, Thanks for the Jamie Quinn reference. He touches on some of what I was hoping to start here. I am somewhat disappointed that I do not seem capable of posing the kind of open-ended questions that get others to contribute to a conversation. It may be that Friam isn't the kind of place I should expect to start or sustain one. OTOH, I understand that this is my own problem to either solve or not. As a non sequitur, I did find this nice interview with David Sloan Wilson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOIiW_Ec4c_channel=WonderfestScience This got me back to thinking about EricS' "large-deviation" language, Simpson's paradox, and (dare I say it) extensive-intensive quantity duality. In his book with Morowitz (that you reference occasionally), EricS mentions such a duality holding *exactly* when some given entropy function is *convex*. I would love to know more about this constraint as it would contribute to an ongoing discussion that I have with Frank and Barry on when one should expect a meaningful theory of duality. Tying back into the video, Wilson mentions that many of the popular inheritance theories (like a theory of selfish genes) bracket some of its action by defining *vehicles*, which I take to be partition relations on genes, and possibly amenable to duality talk (via hom-like relations over genes). .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] fluid codes
They are so beautiful. What things are there to consider when writing fluid codes from first principles? https://dedalus-project.org/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klntYmQtyE4_channel=APSPhysics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ApSJe4FaLI_channel=turbulenceteam <3 .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Greetings!
""" Nice zoom chatting today. So yes, turns out my sculptor friend moved his studio from Shidoni to Cuyamunge six, seven weeks ago -- good catch, thanks. """ Cynthia, Thanks for making it to the meeting. I very much enjoyed chatting with you about period-finding algorithms, the analog nature of quantum chips, and that Pontyian membrane between computation and sensing. I hope to see you on again soon! Jon .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] somewhere on OGS...
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Re: [FRIAM] To repeat is rational, but to wander is transcendent
Let me see if I can add some context. One of Nick's obsessions is that of emergence, and in particular, he concerns himself with a possible relationship between emergence and Simpson's paradox. I started to wonder what there is generally to say about the paradox. As a first approximation, I think that there is nothing especially "statistical" about the paradox, rather, it appears to be a consequence of geometry and mereology. I can imagine a few worms each stretched to the southeast corner of a graph and yet their aggregate appears to stretch northeast. This leads me to wonder about the qualities of quantities. When can one expect there to exist such a disconnect between individuals and wholes? This leads me to think about intensive versus extensive quantities as they are conceived in thermodynamics (and now everywhere). Extensive quantities like magnitudes, counts, volumes, and mass have the property that when you put two or more individuals together with the same value as one another, that same property wrt the whole will likely be different. This case should be especially likely when the number of dimensions where the extensive quantity manifests is high. On the other hand, for intensive quantities (density, color, temperature, hardness, viscosity...) this is not the case. I feel that there may be something here worth connecting. To reframe Simpson's paradox in terms of what kinds of quantities remain invariant when moving from the individual to aggregate *level*. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Birds do it, monads and their algebras do it...
General truths are beautiful things, but too often they could not be further from the whole story. It is wonderful that every computation under the sun can be computed by a universal Turing machine, but at the end of the day, no one is closer to knowing how best to program one for all occasions, no closer to a free lunch. By what procedure should one set out to discover an optimal search, to search among stars for the perfect search. A zoo of computational complexities point to the problem, and never before have we come so close to a general truth about the enormity of our problems. https://complexityzoo.net/Complexity_Zoo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] To repeat is rational, but to wander is transcendent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-wandering-domain_theorem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQkZVPU2txg_channel=TheAbelPrize Been thinking about fractals and analytic continuations for recursive algorithms, lately. I would love to read some thoughts. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: We just launched Russian Asset Tracker, most complete database to date
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/04/11/capturing-the-unicorn """ They find the animal, appear to kill it, and bring it back to a castle; in the last and most famous panel, “The Unicorn in Captivity,” the unicorn is shown bloody but alive, chained to a tree surrounded by a circular fence, in a field of flowers. """ """ In 1992, I wrote in this magazine about two mathematicians named Gregory and David Chudnovsky. The Chudnovskys, who are brothers, were born in Kiev. They are number theorists—they investigate the properties of numbers—and they design and work with supercomputers. The Chudnovsky brothers insist that they are functionally one mathematician who happens to occupy two human bodies. """ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: We just launched Russian Asset Tracker, most complete database to date
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudnovsky_algorithm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chudnovsky_brothers Ukraine produces *some* firepower. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Brahms for Ukraine
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[FRIAM] Enamine
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[FRIAM] Has anyone here studied Nishida Kitaro?
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nishida-kitaro/ I met a ceramicist this week. He pointed me to Nishida. Any thoughts? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] OGS
""" Given the current situation many Ukrainians find themselves in, I am preemptively canceling all recurring charges for anyone with a Ukrainian billing address and issuing refunds as far back as my payment processors will allow. You’ll still retain your supporter status and AI reviews for the foreseeable future, you just wont be charged for it. """ https://forums.online-go.com/t/note-to-ukrainian-site-supporters/41772 .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Artificial Shintelligence
"Since Neuralink treats it subjects so well, he may want to become part of a future AlphaGo portfolio solver?" Yo no se. Ask him? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Artificial Shintelligence
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Re: [FRIAM] ... --- ...
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Re: [FRIAM] ... --- ...
"delasestrellasdelcielotengoquebajartedosunaesparasaludarte" <3 Frankie Reyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylfYwWKzFAs=OLAK5uy_m34iYNwPKHV615NMI9OJLnmni-JWgFvFk=3_channel=FrankieReyes-Topic .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] ... --- ...
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Re: [FRIAM] ... --- ...
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Re: [FRIAM] Training your value network
Yeah, there were a couple of things that struck me as either interesting or telling about the video. There is a novelty regarding the lack of editing, the unselfconsciousness of the audience, and the humility with which the project of *being* a value network was approached. The video is a welcome respite from the overwhelming number of highly polished video essays that dominate YouTube. I arrived at this video while watching some professional go games on NHK (Thank you Jonathan Hop for your closed-captioned translations!) At work, factions are almost completely polarized into anti-AI and pro-AI stances. Each placing bets to see what pay-off to the sciences AI will ultimately have. In the meantime, I am impressed by certain progressive attitudes toward AI that we see in gaming communities. While I know that you (EricC) can contribute quite a bit about the impact of AI analysis in poker, I mostly understand the impact on the go community. There, and at the risk of saying something ugly, I see a parallel to the wholesale adoption of western style-thinking in Japan post the atomic bombs of 1945. Professional games and analyses today are heavily influenced by the discoveries of AlphaGo. The live commentaries make explicit reference when a player does something classical (pre-2016), before playing out variations more indicative of the new style. "Yeah, players once thought that the center wasn't that big, but now we see with AlphaGo that this isn't the case" or "It seems that invading at the 3-3 point early is bigger than we once thought" or "Yes, this is one of the new josekis (corner patterns giving an even result) *discovered* by AlphaGo"... There is a sense that the AI is a kind of telescope, allowing players to see more *deeply* into the universe of go. In the video, we see yet another variant of this kind of thinking. There, the lecturer discusses how DeepMind went about factoring their bot into a collaborative (rather than adversarial) pair: a policy network (a kind of navigator suggesting possible local strategies) and a value network (the pilot who ultimately determines the course). Then the lecturer discusses how this network was trained before inviting the audience to train their *value networks* like AlphaGo does. Interesting stuff. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Training your value network
You know, because talking shit about AI and the hype around AI are equally boring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDcls1gMCxA_channel=AndrewJackson Here is a pretty good explanation of AlphaGo's value network from the perspective of an amateur 5 dan at the Seattle go club. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Issue #2
Glen, I appreciate the diagram too, especially the link: http://www.advantagemathclinic.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] (no subject)
"Has been present since I encountered it, I think in the Norton Anthology, Jeez, how long ago? End of college? Early grad school?" """ Some folks are born made to wave the flag They're red, white and blue And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief" They point the *canon* at you, Lord """ I can imagine the academics at work now, rendering the term "whitey" as meaningless as they rendered the term "equality". Not even the civil rights movement, which aimed to end American aparteid, seemed to be powerful enough to prevent some from distilling "...all men are created equal" into a mathematical equality before dismissing the notion as they had with consciousness, luminiferous ether, free will and unicorns. For me, it was sometime in college that I finally met my first unicorn. """ Picket linesSchool boy cots They try to say it's a communist plot All I want is equality For my sister my brother my people and me Yes you lied to me all these years You told me to wash and clean my ears And talk real fine just like a lady And you'd stop calling me Sister Sadie Oh but this whole country is full of lies You're all gonna die and die like flies I don't trust you any more You keep on saying "Go slow!" """ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tHYGfRot5w=PLg4blegEv8ZfHp5kZOKvbTpL4cltHKrHB=7_channel=NinaSimone-Topic .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)
'Stating that there is a single answer to a math problem is "white" and therefore "racist."' Of course, there *is* only a single answer (Elon) and that is for whitey to be on the moon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzoPopQ7V0_channel=reelblack .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] So who needs math?
FWIW, I mostly think of mathematics as living somewhere between fine art and liberal art. To the extent that mathematical structures are things, I enjoy comparing them, finding analogies between them, and describing the world with them. I prefer to leave *answers* to the scientists and instead continue to focus on developing perceptual acuity through my mathematical practice. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Abel Prize 2021
A couple of months ago, I posted an accessible Numberphile episode on Zero-Knowledge Protocols with Avi Wigderson. This year he shares the Abel prize with László Lovász whose work on graph limits for large networks is rather worth looking at for those interested in computationally tractable approaches to complexity theory. Also, it is worth the listen for those interested in the rise of discrete mathematics in the age of computation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAk0rtlKtMA_channel=TheAbelPrize .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] WAS: P Zombie Couches
That water is H20 gets at my confusion. While this is a classic example of an a posteriori truth, the stability of truths like these form categories that couldn't have been any other way. I feel that your follow up questions get at this nicely: """ Would we say something like: Sure, but then it wouldn't be "water" Or would we say something like: Yes, that could definitely be a possible world, but their "water" wouldn't be exactly the same as our water. """ That Thompson's (and I suspect your) flavor of Peircean logic derives from an interest in how we get robust generals from sampling messy particulars, I interpret his (and possibly your) program (from within the framework of Kripke semantics) as an attempt to understand when a posteriori truths "lift" to reveal what are effectively a priori truths. """ There might be a conversation something like it that would have a bit of depth, but instead it is almost entirely linguistic trickery masquerading as deep thoughts. """ I understand that your post was intended to ridicule an argument, that in all likelihood is faux deep[围棋], but elements of the "linguistic trickery" reminds me (and may be modeled upon) of Cantor's famous argument[א]. Cantor begins his argument by attempting to put the Real numbers in correspondence with the Natural numbers (effectively naming each real number with some integer) only to show that there is always one more real that could not be named. In the p-zombie argument, one is *supposed to conclude* that there must always be one more quality of consciousness that is not accounted for by naming with the material world, and thus more than physicalism is needed to account for the world. Whatever the p-zombie argument's final status be, my post was an attempt to assess the risk while responding thoughtfully to your entertaining and generous offering. [围棋] To take the argument seriously is to see it as a kind of hanami ko, but it may, in fact, be something more akin to throwing away stones in what is clearly another's territory. On the other hand, as the proverb goes, "Stones are never truly dead until they're removed from the board". [א] Cantor, probably the greatest of all metaphysician mathematicians ;) His Wikipedia article documents the hostility and ridicule that he and his transfinite numbers received: """ Cantor's theory of transfinite numbers was originally regarded as so counter-intuitive – even shocking – that it encountered resistance from mathematical contemporaries (...) Cantor, a devout Lutheran Christian, believed the theory had been communicated to him by God. Some Christian theologians (particularly neo-Scholastics) saw Cantor's work as a challenge to the uniqueness of the absolute infinity in the nature of God – on one occasion equating the theory of transfinite numbers with pantheism – a proposition that Cantor vigorously rejected. The objections to Cantor's work were occasionally fierce: Leopold Kronecker's public opposition and personal attacks included describing Cantor as a "scientific charlatan", a "renegade" and a "corrupter of youth". Kronecker objected to Cantor's proofs that the algebraic numbers are countable, and that the transcendental numbers are uncountable, results now included in a standard mathematics curriculum. Writing decades after Cantor's death, Wittgenstein lamented that mathematics is "ridden through and through with the pernicious idioms of set theory", which he dismissed as "utter nonsense" that is "laughable" and "wrong". """ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] WAS: P Zombie Couches
"As an experience-monist, I believe either that all worlds are possible or no worlds are possible. Also, as an experience-monist (but not as a behaviorist) I am allowed to experience the world in a variety of ways, as present, as past, as future, as fantasy, as dreams, and, as possible, or impossible." I gather that you mean something like, "Any experience is possible", but I am not sure that this coincides with the usage of "possible worlds" as it occurs in EricC's Wikipedia reference, *possible worlds* in the sense of Kripke. In Kripke, "possible worlds" logic is used as a kind of foil for speaking about a priori and a posteriori truths. Kripke distinguishes between those propositions which are necessarily true (in that they are true for every possible world) and those propositions which are possibly true (in that they are true for at least one possible world). As far as I can reason at present, your ontological commitments are to "Peircean Truth" wherein propositions are only "true" if they are true for every possible world, i.e., necessary truth. Those propositions which are unstable, or vary across "worlds", I imagine for Peirce, are nothing at all. How poorly do I understand your position relative to this context? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] P Zombie Couches
I am not entirely sure I get the argument, though I suppose I get what is at stake. The argument reveals itself as a *hanami* argument in that *dualism* stands to gain a lot from the argument's acceptance and stands to lose little to nothing from the argument's rejection. The Wikipedia explanation leaves me cold, though I like that each time I read it I read something different. For instance, I am unclear why imagining a possible world where some property fails to exist is sufficient for establishing the same property as failing in ours. On the one hand, the argument hinges on a fidelity criterion, that some worlds fail to be identical by some "additional" property. On the other hand, there is the inconceivability of excising such a property (non-trivially) from the collection of all comprehensions. For instance, consider the following possible worlds: 0. A possible world where all of the integers exist except for the number 2. One glaring criticism with this example is that there does not exist such a possible world, that is, the integers having a two is a necessary fact. That "couchishness" is in many ways less easy to probe than the integers likely draws attention away from such details regarding possible worlds logic. 1. A possible world with the Integers and without even integers has implications for the basic operations of arithmetic. In particular, what happens when one adds two numbers? Further, removing the evens means removing a countable number of things, but over the space of relations, excision may be uncountable. 2. It is worth thinking about the topology of the space of relations. A world with p-zombies may produce a punctured *plane of immanence* that behaves very differently than its convex counterpart, i.e, comes with a different set of expectations about the world and thus calling equality into question. The idea is that the relations themselves can be interpreted as a kind of endomap on the powersets of the world. Fixed point theorems like Brouwer's or Banach's then are possible consequences of the continuity of such endomaps; the convex worlds guarantee "having" such a fixed point where the punctured worlds do not. 3. It is arguable that our world only produces approximate symmetry, and yet affords the notion of actual symmetry. In such a case, symmetry appears as a kind of spectre, a limit point not actually belong to the world. To some extent, I can see physicalism as the thesis that all such properties are in the closure of our world and therefore in our world. 4. Lastly, what could I mean by a world where everyone "has" a ham sandwich? Is "having" a sandwich a function of agreement, proximity, or whatever? What aspect of the p-zombie argument relies on qualia? Can it effectively run the same over any kind of property? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Wizards[⚣]?
""" Oh, for instance: I tried to get development psychologist to think about the implication of Wolfram’s patterns. They just weren’t interested.Where’s the soul? """ The first thing that crosses my mind is constructor theory and that got me wondering about support from the life-level community. It seems that one of the theories founders, Chiara Marletto, wrote a bit on the subject: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.0681.pdf """ Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory explains how the appearance of purposive design in the sophisticated adaptations of living organisms can have come about without their intentionally being designed. The explanation relies crucially on the possibility of certain physical processes: mainly, gene replication and natural selection. In this paper I show that for those processes to be possible without the design of biological adaptations being encoded in the laws of physics, those laws must have certain other properties. The theory of what these properties are is not part of evolution theory proper, and has not been developed, yet without it the neo-Darwinian theory does not fully achieve its purpose of explaining the appearance of design. To this end I apply Constructor Theory’s new mode of explanation to provide an exact formulation of the appearance of design, of no-design laws, and of the logic of self-reproduction and natural selection, within fundamental physics. I conclude that self-reproduction, replication and natural selection are possible under no-design laws, the only non-trivial condition being that they allow digital information to be physically instantiated. This has an exact characterisation in the constructor theory of information. I also show that under no-design laws an accurate replicator requires the existence of a “vehicle” constituting, together with the replicator, a self-reproducer. """ Is this at all in the ballpark of your thinking on the matter? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Wizards[⚣]?
""" Your clips were fun, but I am dead serious about you guys being wizards. There is something in your way of thinking which the rest of us don’t understand. I think it’s closely related to a development/organismic/ dynamic way of thinking that keeps struggling for a hearing in psychology. """ I am glad you liked the clips. "Ooo ee ooo, what a few crowd-sourced dollars can do ooo ooo"[♫], though I am dead serious that it may not be wizardry you are looking for. A summarized distinction[⚣≠☿] between wizard and sorcerer might go something like this: 1.The term “sorcerer” is derived from Old French while “wizard” is taken from Old English. 2.Sorcerers are said to be more inherently adept to magic and are considered as natural spell casters. 3.Wizards learn their craft and spells from long hours of studying and meditation. 4.Wizards are often pictured as old magicians with long beards while sorcerers are usually more youthful than the wizards. 5.Based on some popular fantasy games, wizards rely so much on their spell books for them to create magic unlike sorcerers who can cast such out of thin air. I am not sure I have ever met a member of one type that didn't spend a little time wondering about the other. What is most strange, to my anecdotal eye, is the amount of time each seems to dedicate to denying the other, like the drunk under the street light investing in making sure that the sun never rises again. Those musings aside, what do you imagine such a "hearing in psychology" would look like? Don't you think that psychology is already swamped in dynamical thinking? [♫] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldwDvw99HHs_channel=HenriErwig [⚣≠☿] http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-sorcerer-and-wizard/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Wizards[⚣]?
Nick is always making reference to wizards-this and wizards-that, but where are all of the *mother fucking sorcerers*[☿]? [⚣] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv3DedNXN4o=PLJSMFXYSojXotCa_NrjYM54ICmSmmCygg_channel=timtimfed [☿] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mother%20fucking%20sorcerers .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] From Fanny Hensel to Shor's algorithm
This Wikipedia article section on psuedoforests does a pretty good job of getting at the kind of problem I am interested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoforest#Graphs_of_functions It also does a good job of connecting the problem to Pollard's Rho, Cellular Automata, birthday paradoxes, and a number of other pet interests. Now to figure out that damn Van Loan and Pitsianis algorithm. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] From Fanny Hensel to Shor's algorithm
Today's Google doodle honors the pianist Fanny Hensel. I got to wondering what if any relation she might have to Kurt Hensel. It turns out that she was his grandmother. This got me thinking about a different kind of genealogy, that of ideas. To what extent is Shor's algorithm a direct decedent of pollard's rho? Does anyone here know much about the history of period finding-based factoring algorithms? Also, while reading Hirvensalo on QC, I started to get a glimpse of where factorizations of tensor products find their way into the Fourier transform literature. Unfortunately, still only a special "limiting" case of the Kronecker product approximation problem that is biting me. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Application of robo-pigeon in ethological studies of bird flocks
"这就是你想让我说的吗？ 我们现在可以在中国推出我们的软件吗?" 是的，你做得很好。尝一口香港。 .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] "chilling effect"
""" How is it epi? In both the SLAPP case and the SB8 case, it's a directly targeted effect. """ I can see that I was being too clumsy. In the SLAPP case and the SB8 case chilling is pretty straightforward, but in the case I linked[☃] (which jumps to a highlighted section "Chilling effects on Wikipedia users" on the Wikipedia page for *chilling effect*) I see an example where I don't believe that Wikipedia, Snowden, nor the NSA had any investment in chilling out Wikipedia users. Instead, it seems more like a novel side effect, a consequence of the subject matter, many citizens perceptions of their government, and a revelation of information. So I suppose like anything, things may have side effects, and I am not sure it contributes anything to mention it. Comparing "Wikipedia Foundation versus NSA" with the *Clear Channel memorandum*[♪] is interesting to me (a sarcastic thanks again to the Telecomm act[⏚]). There, a decision was made to preemptively chill the radio of its "affects and percepts"[D]. I'm not entirely sure what the concerning response to hearing Lennon's "Imagine" was supposed to be and less so for "She's not there" by the Zombies. [☃] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect#:~:text=13%5D%5Bfailed%20verification%5D-,Chilling%20effects%20on%20Wikipedia%20users,-%5Bedit%5D [♪] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Channel_memorandum [⏚] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996 [D] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affect_(philosophy)#In_Deleuze_and_Guattari .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] "chilling effect"
"Chilling Effect", now that's good epiphenomena. By that, I suppose I mean that "chilling effect" is more general than a simple gag or restraining order, it aims to inhibit or dissuade behavior. The content of chilling seems to live in the question of "why should a legal system dissuade or inhibit legal actions"? My first impression is that such a need arises in any legal system that is ultimately too rigid and unwieldy (or too ill-founded) to rigorously target the subject of its domain. So, probably, every non-trivial legal system. On the one hand, "chilling" seems a natural choice for better fitting the letter of the law to its "spirit", but doing so also creates a lever connecting goals to functions (a la' Charles and Thompson): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect#:~:text=13%5D%5Bfailed%20verification%5D-,Chilling%20effects%20on%20Wikipedia%20users,-%5Bedit%5D .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The danger of a single story
I don't suppose that the existence of p-adic completion, via equivalence classes of Cauchy-sequences, helps matters. Such a step moves the graph- theoretic talk back in the direction of space-theoretic talk, along with the arrival of derivatives and a meaningful way of doing calculus. What such a space "looks like" in that completion is beyond me. It appears to me that the role of "visualization" in the learning of p-adic-normed spaces is (at least here in these humble beginnings) less for *establishing* new hypotheses via visual intuitions, but rather for *fortifying* knowledge that has been hard-won through more "operational" reasoning. Something akin to *accounting* or *library science*. That p-adic norms are rooted in logarithms makes me wonder about how easily they might be deployed in early childhood education, working with a child's *natural* sense of scale [log]. I am also left wondering if there is a meaningful connection to proprioception here, a connection between the logarithmic and the operational, analogous to moving from a local group structure to an underlying Lie algebra [exp]. Continuing on with these musings just a bit longer than I should, I am imagining factorization in the form of spectra. Choosing a prime p is like choosing a hue of light with which to illuminate an image, the closeness of two values being a closeness in saturation. Illumination orders the image, rendering some aspects indistinguishable and rendering others distinct. There is something "objective" about such a norm that orders by "affinity", that structures space by abundances of a given kind, like tuning an oscilloscope to 440hz and watching your favorite song. [log] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-natural-log/ [exp] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_map_(Lie_theory) .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The danger of a single story
""" For lack of a better (or more ironic, since Euler went blind) dichotomy lever, the operational conception might be called Lagrangian and the latter Eulerian. From a Lagrangian perspective any point in an open ball is infinitely far from the outer bound as long as our operations are functions of that outer bound. But from an Eulerian perspective, it's trivial to see the boundary is just fuzzy and all we need do is take constant steps to leave the ball. That renders the koan a simple fallacy of ambiguity, hinged on the conception of "center". """ I am unsure that I can address everything here, and I feel like my reasoning has been sh!t lately, but here is an attempt to work out your suggestion of a "fallacy of ambiguity"[⊬]: a) the term shared by the two premisses b) the subject of the conclusion c) the predicate of the conclusion a) Perhaps here you are talking about *center of a ball* as the shared concept between a Lagrangian and an Eulerian perspective? Or maybe the *center of a ball* as shared between the p-adic and euclidean conceptions of space? In this last case, maybe the "missing premise" is that we are making an analogy to balls and centers when we move to non-archimedean norms? The fallacy might then appear as: "All Euclidean balls have a single center. x is the center of a p-adic ball. Thus x is the single center of the p-adic ball." b) I am not sure how to finagle this one a wholes and parts argument, but let me try. Maybe it is that centers are things that balls have but are not properties of points? That attributing center to a point becomes a category error? c) Perhaps you feel that *center of a ball* fails operationally, that centers of balls are singular by their very nature, privileging insights of Archimedean experiences? I haven't worked it out, but I (perhaps falsely) assume that any one of these centers can be handled as a center of mass, a barycenter, maximally situated away from the ball's closure. Here, I suppose, is where your Gordian step is apt? From each "center" it takes the same number of constant steps to leave. All of this is to say that I would like to better understand the *fallacy*. In terms of the larger metaphor, I like the image of many individuals, all within the scope of one another, granted the center of their shared milieux. [⊬] https://www2.palomar.edu/users/bthompson/Fallacies%20of%20Ambiguity.html .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The danger of a single story
""" I argued, like with the Necker cube, you can't do both at the same time. Jon questioned that ... implying disagreement. """ My disagreement is mostly with the suggestion that I either hold one phase of the Necker cube or the other, I am unsure how to express my perspective on *becoming other*. In the Necker cube case, I find it no harder to hold the image as flat as it exists on the page, denying the image its "cubeness" altogether. """ But that's not my point, here. I think this setup might help us understand gatekeeping like liberal vs woke. How much *easier* is it to put yourself in another's shoes if that other is within scope? """ To some extent, this is something I find interesting about a p-adic norm, and since we are painting in metaphor, that two numbers are measured in terms of a common *affinity* (a multiplicative abundance) of a particular prime. """ The conclusion that the deepest math structures are innate and the "finer" structures are acquired is interesting and suspect. Do we have source material for that? I didn't see any in the knots book. """ I have no idea if anyone has really worked on this in any scientific sense. Really, it is non-identically tangent to my curve. I have heard the tale of the blind geometer many times and while I have never known one, I generalize its lesson and found more anecdotal evidence to fit an enlarged class. Three data points come to mind: 1. A blind friend and artist in Cleveland named Marv Smith[♘]. 2. A ceramics instructor at Feats of Clay in Austin. 3. Mixing records before I could afford glasses. I am not sure what to say about the first case, it would be cool if I could transfer my experience to others, but I can not imagine how. In the second case, I asked the instructor about classes at the studio. As I listened (with my eyes as well as my ears) I became impressed at her *embodied* gesticulation, her ability to speak with her hands. At moments she would hold her hands in front of herself and motion with a concreteness that only one who has dedicated the hours to her art can deliver. I left with the feeling that ceramics would make me a stronger public speaker. In the last case, I logged a few hundred hours in-studio mixing tracks for small and no-named bands. My mixing console was an analog board pulling audio from an ADAT, i.e, not a digital editing station like Pro Tools or whatever with the tracks rendered as time series on a screen. I couldn't afford glasses at the time and soon I noticed that I didn't seem to depend on my eyes as much in daily life and more so I noticed depending on my ears. The experience for me was one of being situated differently, my eyes slack and my ears scanning. It was years later that I got glasses and the opposite seemed to happen, I became more engaged in what there was to see. To this day, it still makes me *cringe* when I watch someone edit audio visually, not that I don't think one can do it well with practice and guidance. Experiences like these (and a great many others) make me wonder about how one develops and tunes the seat of awareness. It doesn't really surprise me when I hear about blind skateboarders or when I think that another's investment in their different senses is likely to be weighted differently than my own. I assume novel insights are to be had by all. [♘] http://www.artistsarchives.org/event/upmarvin-smith-renaissance-man/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] The danger of a single story
""" The fact that such distance (euclidean as well as non-euclidean as well as network) is a heuristic for "otherness" seems very much implicit in life itself, most familiarly among visual creatures, less so for audio, and even less so for chemical (smell/taste) and least for tactile (if I am not touching it, it doesn't exist?). """ I wonder about the price paid for privileging sight. Trivedi recounts an observation of Sossinsky[☍]: “It is not surprising at all that almost all blind mathematicians are geometers. The spatial intuition that sighted people have is based on the image of the world that is projected on their retinas; thus it is a two (and not three) dimensional image that is analysed in the brain of a sighted person. A blind person’s spatial intuition, on the other hand, is primarily the result of tile and operational experience. It is also deeper – in the literal as well as the metaphorical sense. recent biomathematical studies have shown that the deepest mathematical structures, such as topological structures, are innate, whereas finer structures, such as linear structures are acquired. Thus, at first, the blind person who regains his sight does not distinguish a square from a circle: He only sees their topological equivalence. In contrast, he immediately sees that a torus is not a sphere” Which dovetails nicely with my mathematical goal of the day to think about p-adic metrics, a subject where *visual* habits seem to get in my way or otherwise lead my intuitions astray[p, p²]. P-adic considerations lead to formal koans like: "Every point in an open ball is a centre of the ball." [☍] https://onionesquereality.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/blind-geometers/ [p] https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2225905/interpretation-of-open-balls-with-the-p-adic-metric [p²] https://www.math.uh.edu/~haynes/files/topgps5.pdf .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] The danger of a single story
A TED talk with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie on scoping, classification, and "the danger of a single story": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ihs241zeg_channel=TED .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] lurking
In my local Go club, I sit at just about average rank, fluctuating wildly between 5 and 3 kyu. That said, there is a lot that is exciting for me about Go and winning (as well as losing) at Go. Along the lines of Steve's observation, there is an adage that another of our group likes to recount relating three ancient board games: """ Backgammon is man versus nature. Chess is man versus another. Go is man versus self. """ I cannot speak for the first two, but with the third, I certainly agree. That said, it feels good to win a good game and it doesn't strike me as cringe to feel good or even boast about one's personal progress. When one is speaking excitedly about successes, I figure, celebrate. We are all in the club to study the game and at times it can be hard. Anyone who plays Go knows that they will never be any good and so celebrating each other's (ultimately minor) successes is camaraderie and support. As the last point, I like that the game is a great way to check in with myself. It is good to get feedback about the state of my analytic reasoning, my instincts, and my memory. A good friend of mine and fellow Go player passed away over the pandemic. He taught me quite a lot about the game when I was first learning. He was older and mostly played the game for the social experience to exercise his mind. It didn't take me too long to become stronger than him, but doing so required a certain competitive fire in me. Only after overtaking him was I able to appreciate that his goals were so different from my own. I am happy for the insights, however, they may come. All of the above could easily be different if money were on the line. As far as cringe, I cannot help but think about its arbitrary nature. Some might think that being thrilled about one's modest success is lame, while others might think that specializing to 9 dan is a waste of life[♫]. I tend to view such *offenses* as shruggable. In my experience, cringe mostly arises as a response to deviation from a social group's imagined social norms and effectively all error correction/growth takes this form. To the extent that we identify acting cringe-free with dharma, I say that it is often worth accruing the karma. Game on! [♫] But whatever, even Wittenstein is right twice a day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lgAUHVFC4_channel=amerattila .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] stygmergy, CA's, and [biological] development
"And I even know David Spivak, and know some of his work with Brendan Fong." Cool. He and I knew each other briefly when he was at the University of Oregon. Around the time David was learning topos theory, he, my buddy Ralf (who was in the math grad program there at the time) and I worked through some examples together. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
